Re: [FairfieldLife] Hagelin's Response to Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Hagelin's Response to Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting Buck, if you have happened to have read Michael' posts here, he seems very passionate in what he feels is right, not cold at all. And all of us here have had the 'blessings' of the movement and it has produced what you see here on FFL. The result is as varied as life itself. Maybe only 10% of those who learn TM stick with it, and 90% end up doing something else or just stopping. Those who drop off but do something else that works for them, be happy for them. Some drift off the spiritual path, and some reach the end of the path and walk off (the only rational thing to do in that case). Those that oppose the movement are testing its mettle, its truthfulness, its integrity, for they find it wanting. The ones that are dangerous are the ones that remain on the path forever; they are the ones that have truly failed. The last sentence contains a valuable point. What could be more *embarrassing* than spending 30 or 40 years of one's life pursuing a spiritual path that led nowhere, and then actually being content with being nowhere? Where is "nowhere"? Sounds like a Zen koan of some sort. Think of it, "I am nowhere" and let's add, "I am nobody". How does that work? Sounds positively transcendental. You have to be nowhere and nobody to have arrived and to become. LOL.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hagelin's Response to Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting
From: "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Hagelin's Response to Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting Buck, if you have happened to have read Michael' posts here, he seems very passionate in what he feels is right, not cold at all. And all of us here have had the 'blessings' of the movement and it has produced what you see here on FFL. The result is as varied as life itself. Maybe only 10% of those who learn TM stick with it, and 90% end up doing something else or just stopping. Those who drop off but do something else that works for them, be happy for them. Some drift off the spiritual path, and some reach the end of the path and walk off (the only rational thing to do in that case). Those that oppose the movement are testing its mettle, its truthfulness, its integrity, for they find it wanting. The ones that are dangerous are the ones that remain on the path forever; they are the ones that have truly failed. The last sentence contains a valuable point. What could be more *embarrassing* than spending 30 or 40 years of one's life pursuing a spiritual path that led nowhere, and then actually being content with being nowhere?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hagelin's Response to Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting
Buck, if you have happened to have read Michael' posts here, he seems very passionate in what he feels is right, not cold at all. And all of us here have had the 'blessings' of the movement and it has produced what you see here on FFL. The result is as varied as life itself. Maybe only 10% of those who learn TM stick with it, and 90% end up doing something else or just stopping. Those who drop off but do something else that works for them, be happy for them. Some drift off the spiritual path, and some reach the end of the path and walk off (the only rational thing to do in that case). Those that oppose the movement are testing its mettle, its truthfulness, its integrity, for they find it wanting. The ones that are dangerous are the ones that remain on the path forever; they are the ones that have truly failed. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You think you are meditating in the Dome for us, you are emotionally doing it for yourself, to feel good about what you are doing, but you are ACTUALLY doing it for the good (meaning the monetary good and the ego/hubris/we are the saviors of the world of the TMO) From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:58 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Hagelin's Response to Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting I feel this is completely unfair and unrealistic: “What other group would proactively attempt to squelch it, as "Raja" (that's ludicrous in itself) Hagelin did? Groups certainly defend themselves against others and have a right to do that for survival against others. That is part of the life of having groups to belong to. Well run corporations do it. Well run countries do this by running vision and mission. Let me quote to you George Washington or Abraham Lincoln or Winston. Actually I have paraphrased them all and many others many times here. They certainly were effective leaders doing what they came to do in time and Hagelin too. But you people, are as cold and immovable as stone weight. Is it no wonder that you are so withdrawn to the blessings of the movement? Like Buddha the compassionate one on earth we meditate in the Dome here for you, Let there be Peace, -Buck Subject: [FairfieldLife] Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting It is the job of a good leadership to cheer-lead the corporate [communal] mission and organization for life in the organization to be effective. I can understand that you may have trouble with this. That is okay as some people 'do groups' better than others. That is a characteristic or skill-set that comes in combination proly somewhere between nature and nurture. But I would expect that John Hagelin should respond and set the record straight as to where the main-line existing TM community is with this. -Buck It certainly is okay that John Hagelin is leading the group this way. Our group here. Not many are able this way. He has my support and I wish him well in success for all of us meditating here, -Buck Still in the Dome turquoiseb wrote : From: feste37 This is just too silly for words. If the emphasis is on "assessing the content," why is it being promoted as being a message from MMY? The truth is that for some weird reason, Hammond is using this ploy to promote his own views. If he just gave a talk himself, no one would be interested. So he has hit on this ludicrous marketing ploy. As I commented earlier, I am astonished that anyone is taking this seriously. While I agree that the whole scenario is too silly for words, what does it say about the incredible gullibility and susceptibility of TMers *that* it's being taken seriously? In what other group would its members actually fall for this? What other group would proactively attempt to squelch it, as "Raja" (that's ludicrous in itself) Hagelin did? This is great theater. I hope *some* reporters actually attend, and write it up or do a TV bit about it. Can't you just imagine the headline/teaser? Leaders Of TM Cult Freak Out Over Advice From Beyond The Grave Sent By Original "Sexy Sadie" Guru Maharishi Mahesh Yogi MJ; Son, you're as bad as Hamas (Abdel Aziz Ali Abdul Majid al-Rantisi, for instance ) and not much better with your constant attack denying even the right of the very existence of the main-line TM community. -Buck mjackson74 wrote : Buck, I can't believe that here you are a grown man, able to drive a tractor, write letters, brew coffee, tend to sheep and everything and you act like you just fell off the turnip truck. Hagelin, Morris, Raja Tony and all the other pin heads that run the Movement don't give a crap what the main line TM community think. They all think that whatever they tell the TM'ers is what the TM community should believe even if it direct
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hagelin's Response to Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting
You think you are meditating in the Dome for us, you are emotionally doing it for yourself, to feel good about what you are doing, but you are ACTUALLY doing it for the good (meaning the monetary good and the ego/hubris/we are the saviors of the world of the TMO) From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:58 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Hagelin's Response to Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting I feel this is completely unfair and unrealistic: “What other group would proactively attempt to squelch it, as "Raja" (that's ludicrous in itself) Hagelin did? Groups certainly defend themselves against others and have a right to do that for survival against others. That is part of the life of having groups to belong to. Well run corporations do it. Well run countries do this by running vision and mission. Let me quote to you George Washington or Abraham Lincoln or Winston. Actually I have paraphrased them all and many others many times here. They certainly were effective leaders doing what they came to do in time and Hagelin too. But you people, are as cold and immovable as stone weight. Is it no wonder that you are so withdrawn to the blessings of the movement? Like Buddha the compassionate one on earth we meditate in the Dome here for you, Let there be Peace, -Buck Subject:[FairfieldLife] Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting It is the job of a good leadership to cheer-lead the corporate [communal] mission and organization for life in the organization to be effective. I can understand that you may have trouble with this. That is okay as some people 'do groups' better than others. That is a characteristic or skill-set that comes in combination proly somewhere between nature and nurture. But I would expect that John Hagelin should respond and set the record straight as to where the main-line existing TM community is with this. -Buck It certainly is okay that John Hagelin is leading the group this way. Our group here. Not many are able this way. He has my support and I wish him well in success for all of us meditating here, -Buck Still in the Dome turquoiseb wrote : From:feste37 This is just too silly for words. If the emphasis is on "assessing the content," why is it being promoted as being a message from MMY? The truth is that for some weird reason, Hammond is using this ploy to promote his own views. If he just gave a talk himself, no one would be interested. So he has hit on this ludicrous marketing ploy. As I commented earlier, I am astonished that anyone is taking this seriously. While I agree that the whole scenario is too silly for words, what does it say about the incredible gullibility and susceptibility of TMers *that* it's being taken seriously? In what other group would its members actually fall for this? What other group would proactively attempt to squelch it, as "Raja" (that's ludicrous in itself) Hagelin did? This is great theater. I hope *some* reporters actually attend, and write it up or do a TV bit about it. Can't you just imagine the headline/teaser? Leaders Of TM Cult Freak Out Over Advice From Beyond The Grave Sent By Original "Sexy Sadie" Guru Maharishi Mahesh Yogi MJ; Son, you're as bad as Hamas (Abdel Aziz Ali Abdul Majid al-Rantisi, for instance ) and not much better with your constant attack denying even the right of the very existence of the main-line TM community. -Buck mjackson74 wrote : Buck, I can't believe that here you are a grown man, able to drive a tractor, write letters, brew coffee, tend to sheep and everything and you act like you just fell off the turnip truck. Hagelin, Morris, Raja Tony and all the other pin heads that run the Movement don't give a crap what the main line TM community think. They all think that whatever they tell the TM'ers is what the TM community should believe even if it directly contradicts what they have said in the past. Marshy taught them to do this and if you can't see that, then you need to go live in an ashram where you don't have to drive or be out in society or nothing cause you coping and understanding skills would seem to be minimal.
[FairfieldLife] Hagelin's Response to Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting
I feel this is completely unfair and unrealistic: “What other group would proactively attempt to squelch it, as "Raja" (that's ludicrous in itself) Hagelin did? Groups certainly defend themselves against others and have a right to do that for survival against others. That is part of the life of having groups to belong to. Well run corporations do it. Well run countries do this by running vision and mission. Let me quote to you George Washington or Abraham Lincoln or Winston. Actually I have paraphrased them all and many others many times here. They certainly were effective leaders doing what they came to do in time and Hagelin too. But you people, are as cold and immovable as stone weight. Is it no wonder that you are so withdrawn to the blessings of the movement? Like Buddha the compassionate one on earth we meditate in the Dome here for you, Let there be Peace, -Buck Subject: [FairfieldLife] Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting It is the job of a good leadership to cheer-lead the corporate [communal] mission and organization for life in the organization to be effective. I can understand that you may have trouble with this. That is okay as some people 'do groups' better than others. That is a characteristic or skill-set that comes in combination proly somewhere between nature and nurture. But I would expect that John Hagelin should respond and set the record straight as to where the main-line existing TM community is with this. -Buck It certainly is okay that John Hagelin is leading the group this way. Our group here. Not many are able this way. He has my support and I wish him well in success for all of us meditating here, -Buck Still in the Dome turquoiseb wrote : From: feste37 This is just too silly for words. If the emphasis is on "assessing the content," why is it being promoted as being a message from MMY? The truth is that for some weird reason, Hammond is using this ploy to promote his own views. If he just gave a talk himself, no one would be interested. So he has hit on this ludicrous marketing ploy. As I commented earlier, I am astonished that anyone is taking this seriously. While I agree that the whole scenario is too silly for words, what does it say about the incredible gullibility and susceptibility of TMers *that* it's being taken seriously? In what other group would its members actually fall for this? What other group would proactively attempt to squelch it, as "Raja" (that's ludicrous in itself) Hagelin did? This is great theater. I hope *some* reporters actually attend, and write it up or do a TV bit about it. Can't you just imagine the headline/teaser? Leaders Of TM Cult Freak Out Over Advice From Beyond The Grave Sent By Original "Sexy Sadie" Guru Maharishi Mahesh Yogi MJ; Son, you're as bad as Hamas (Abdel Aziz Ali Abdul Majid al-Rantisi, for instance ) and not much better with your constant attack denying even the right of the very existence of the main-line TM community. -Buck mjackson74 wrote : Buck, I can't believe that here you are a grown man, able to drive a tractor, write letters, brew coffee, tend to sheep and everything and you act like you just fell off the turnip truck. Hagelin, Morris, Raja Tony and all the other pin heads that run the Movement don't give a crap what the main line TM community think. They all think that whatever they tell the TM'ers is what the TM community should believe even if it directly contradicts what they have said in the past. Marshy taught them to do this and if you can't see that, then you need to go live in an ashram where you don't have to drive or be out in society or nothing cause you coping and understanding skills would seem to be minimal.
