Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
I think your arms length comment kinda says it all, Steve. That's just what armchair seekers like Judy DO. They never actually DO anything much to further their own self discovery...they just read about other people's, and then argue about the stuff they think about it. One of the reasons that some of these armchair seekers purposefully keep from meeting the teachers they supposedly study with is that it's easier to preserve one's cherished fantasies about them if you've never met them. She did this with Maharishi, and she did it with Robin. She can continue to believe all the fantasies she's developed about both of them without fear of contradiction, because she's never exposed herself to the possibility of contradiction. Both of these guys -- or her impressions of them -- are tucked away in an elaborate fantasy cubbyhole in her mind, placed on a pedestal of honor there, and because she never has (or will) encounter the reality of them, she gets to call this fantasy truth. Anyone who disagrees with the fantasy is a liar. As has been pointed out here, Judy has arguably the *least* actual hands on spiritual experience of anyone on this forum. She's only done one short rounding course (which she, of course, considers long), she never became a teacher (and thus had to put other people's welfare ahead of her own), and she never met Maharishi. She never even met the Robin guy she claims to be the resident expert on. The only things she knows are the fantasies running around in her head. But to her those fantasies are so cherished and she *needs* them so much to keep on keepin' on that any challenge to them is perceived as a challenge to herself, her self, her very being. Challenging her idealized notions of Robin are (from her point of view) like attacking *her*, so of course she has to take them seriously. If anyone were to believe more objective points of view expressed here about the guy, they'd begin to challenge her posturing as the expert. And she simply cannot allow that. From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:00 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy Excellent points. For most of us, it is just a chat room. A place to banter about. And so, it is sort of jarring when someone like Judy takes everything so seriously and personally. Like it squeezes most of the fun out of it. Of course you will never convince her of that. She views herself as the staunch upholder of truth and justice, and there is no battle too small for her to fight. Just like what she is going to say in response to this post. The internet age was made for her in some ways as it is easier to be friends with someone, or maintain an alliance when you can remain at arms length. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote: Barry does not seem to aspire to the kind of precision you enjoy. He seems mostly to rely on his writing skills and memory when posting on FFL. And we all know human memory is exceptionally pliable. He posts things he is interested in, occasionally replies to people, and there is a certain category of his posting that is designed to keep the rats running on their treadmill, a Pavlovian thing. So checking on Barry's claims is largely a waste of time as he is proffering opinions, not facts, and is stoking the campfire so he can bask in the heat generated. He has to deal with certain factual material if he is writing about science for clients. If there other places in his life for such concepts as facts and truth, it probably is not here on FFL. This place is for the insane; perhaps there are a few amateur sociologists and researchers hanging in here collecting data, but who might they be?
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
On 2/12/2014 11:02 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: In the real world some people here would remain friendless and wouldn't be invited a second time to the gathering at Starbucks. It would be a strange meeting at Starbucks to be invited for coffee if you'd just been called a dumb hick, a perv, a liar, an idiot, a troll, and lower than slime and you were being shunned for your political POV and your place of birth by the group leaders. If that happened at a Starbucks up in Austin, there would be at least be some table-turning and a food fight before taking it out in the parking lot. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
That's it, Richard! I'm moving to Austin and hanging out at Starbuck's! But might visit Whole Foods now and then, just to stock up on Larabars and quinoa (-: On Thursday, February 13, 2014 8:54 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/12/2014 11:02 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: In the real world some people here would remain friendless and wouldn't be invited a second time to the gathering at Starbucks. It would be a strange meeting at Starbucks to be invited for coffee if you'd just been called a dumb hick, a perv, a liar, an idiot, a troll, and lower than slime and you were being shunned for your political POV and your place of birth by the group leaders. If that happened at a Starbucks up in Austin, there would be at least be some table-turning and a food fight before taking it out in the parking lot. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
I wonder why Barry assumes I never met Robin. So Bhairitu, you think Barry is just kidding with this post? He seems awfully wound up to me. There's always tremendous negative energy behind his demonizations of Robin or Ann or me or others he doesn't like. It's as if he was fighting for his very survival, the poor guy. He isn't kidding, but he might as well be. He styles himself as the expert on Judy Stein, but in fact he knows nothing about me other than what I've said on FFL, and he even misrepresents that. Whenever he tries to guess, he gets it wrong. This post of his is no exception. Remember what Barry said about his therapist telling him that the person suffering from NPD makes it up as they go along? If that isn't a perfect description of Barry himself, I can't imagine what is. Even Xeno admitted that Barry doesn't care anything about being truthful or accurate, and that's certainly borne out by this post, as well as countless others that preceded it. I think your arms length comment kinda says it all, Steve. That's just what armchair seekers like Judy DO. They never actually DO anything much to further their own self discovery...they just read about other people's, and then argue about the stuff they think about it. One of the reasons that some of these armchair seekers purposefully keep from meeting the teachers they supposedly study with is that it's easier to preserve one's cherished fantasies about them if you've never met them. She did this with Maharishi, and she did it with Robin. She can continue to believe all the fantasies she's developed about both of them without fear of contradiction, because she's never exposed herself to the possibility of contradiction. Both of these guys -- or her impressions of them -- are tucked away in an elaborate fantasy cubbyhole in her mind, placed on a pedestal of honor there, and because she never has (or will) encounter the reality of them, she gets to call this fantasy truth. Anyone who disagrees with the fantasy is a liar. As has been pointed out here, Judy has arguably the *least* actual hands on spiritual experience of anyone on this forum. She's only done one short rounding course (which she, of course, considers long), she never became a teacher (and thus had to put other people's welfare ahead of her own), and she never met Maharishi. She never even met the Robin guy she claims to be the resident expert on. The only things she knows are the fantasies running around in her head. But to her those fantasies are so cherished and she *needs* them so much to keep on keepin' on that any challenge to them is perceived as a challenge to herself, her self, her very being. Challenging her idealized notions of Robin are (from her point of view) like attacking *her*, so of course she has to take them seriously. If anyone were to believe more objective points of view expressed here about the guy, they'd begin to challenge her posturing as the expert. And she simply cannot allow that. From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:00 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy Excellent points. For most of us, it is just a chat room. A place to banter about. And so, it is sort of jarring when someone like Judy takes everything so seriously and personally. Like it squeezes most of the fun out of it. Of course you will never convince her of that. She views herself as the staunch upholder of truth and justice, and there is no battle too small for her to fight. Just like what she is going to say in response to this post. The internet age was made for her in some ways as it is easier to be friends with someone, or maintain an alliance when you can remain at arms length. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote: Barry does not seem to aspire to the kind of precision you enjoy. He seems mostly to rely on his writing skills and memory when posting on FFL. And we all know human memory is exceptionally pliable. He posts things he is interested in, occasionally replies to people, and there is a certain category of his posting that is designed to keep the rats running on their treadmill, a Pavlovian thing. So checking on Barry's claims is largely a waste of time as he is proffering opinions, not facts, and is stoking the campfire so he can bask in the heat generated. He has to deal with certain factual material if he is writing about science for clients. If there other places in his life for such concepts as facts and truth, it probably is not here on FFL. This place is for the insane; perhaps there are a few amateur sociologists and researchers hanging in here collecting data, but who might they be?
[FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
It's funny you should say this about me without including Barry, whose attacks on those he doesn't like are almost all dead serious. As to the Internet being made for me, what makes you think all my friends are electronic-only? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote: Excellent points. For most of us, it is just a chat room. A place to banter about. And so, it is sort of jarring when someone like Judy takes everything so seriously and personally. Like it squeezes most of the fun out of it. Of course you will never convince her of that. She views herself as the staunch upholder of truth and justice, and there is no battle too small for her to fight. Just like what she is going to say in response to this post. The internet age was made for her in some ways as it is easier to be friends with someone, or maintain an alliance when you can remain at arms length. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote: Barry does not seem to aspire to the kind of precision you enjoy. He seems mostly to rely on his writing skills and memory when posting on FFL. And we all know human memory is exceptionally pliable. He posts things he is interested in, occasionally replies to people, and there is a certain category of his posting that is designed to keep the rats running on their treadmill, a Pavlovian thing. So checking on Barry's claims is largely a waste of time as he is proffering opinions, not facts, and is stoking the campfire so he can bask in the heat generated. He has to deal with certain factual material if he is writing about science for clients. If there other places in his life for such concepts as facts and truth, it probably is not here on FFL. This place is for the insane; perhaps there are a few amateur sociologists and researchers hanging in here collecting data, but who might they be?
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
On 2/12/2014 10:25 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: It's odd, isn't it, that most people here in this place for the insane nevertheless manage to get their facts straight most of the time and ground their opinions in those facts rather than in hallucinatory fantasies and deliberate distortions, especially regarding other FFLers. Doesn't mean they always get everything right, or that they're always fair, but they do make an effort. What's odd is that most of us manage to get our facts straight most of the time and ground our facts rather than hallucinatory fantasies and deliberate distortions, except Robin when he posts his parodies. It looks like Robin was deliberately posting some distortions. So, it's not easy to describe Robin in a nut shell - he seems to have come out of his trance-induction state and dealt with his psychotic break pretty well - but he is difficult to figure out. These days he seems like a nice bunch of guys. Go figure. Judy, I think you an intelligent and well-meaning person; but Curtis and Barry and even to some extent, although less passionately, Steve have identified what is wrong with you; and I think you must be courageous enough to finally examine yourself, since I, who until just now was one of your most loyal supporters have undergone an extraordinary change of heart, and have admitted to myself that you are the person in the wrong here, that Barry is right. - Masked Zebra http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/300960
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Um, yeah, except he figured nobody here was stupid enough to think he was serious, given how vanishingly unlikely it was that he would ally himself with Barry. And anyone who was that stupid who watched for signs of any rapprochement with Barry or opposition to me after that would have had a rude awakening and realize how foolish they had been. Good grief, even Barry knew it was a gag. Oh, and not to mention that when he responded to my wildly over-the-top role-playing in response to his post, he pretended to take me seriously. Not even the stupidest people would have failed to realize that what I wrote was a gag. It's odd, isn't it, that most people here in this place for the insane nevertheless manage to get their facts straight most of the time and ground their opinions in those facts rather than in hallucinatory fantasies and deliberate distortions, especially regarding other FFLers. Doesn't mean they always get everything right, or that they're always fair, but they do make an effort. What's odd is that most of us manage to get our facts straight most of the time and ground our facts rather than hallucinatory fantasies and deliberate distortions, except Robin when he posts his parodies. It looks like Robin was deliberately posting some distortions. So, it's not easy to describe Robin in a nut shell - he seems to have come out of his trance-induction state and dealt with his psychotic break pretty well - but he is difficult to figure out. These days he seems like a nice bunch of guys. Go figure. Judy, I think you an intelligent and well-meaning person; but Curtis and Barry and even to some extent, although less passionately, Steve have identified what is wrong with you; and I think you must be courageous enough to finally examine yourself, since I, who until just now was one of your most loyal supporters have undergone an extraordinary change of heart, and have admitted to myself that you are the person in the wrong here, that Barry is right. - Masked Zebra http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/300960 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/300960
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What's funny about this is that I posted my comment yesterday morning and it only showed up on the web site in the evening. It came through by mail yesterday morning. The NSA must be really busy these days. :-D Perhaps it depends on one's pedigree. Some folks I met during my time in TM apparently went to finishing schools and their gatherings were a bit snobbish if not uncomfortable. I would guess they would not feel comfortable at one of my anything goes table chats at Starbucks. On 02/12/2014 09:02 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: I like to think of this place as if we are sitting around a table at Starbucks. First off, most folks at the table wouldn't get so wound up on assertions because they would know the asserter is just kidding them. And we would hope that before someone replied they didn't say, just a minute as they looked up something online on their phone or tablet. That would be a really bogged down conversation, hmm. :-D I would like to think if we were all sitting at Starbucks together we would have enough respect for each other that we would be willing to reveal enough of what is real and true about ourselves in a way that does not infringe, compromise or inappropriately offend others. It would also be nice to think that the parameters that bind us when we are together in person are not different from how we would conduct ourselves online. Many times I feel some take liberties via internet forums that they would not so readily adopt in person. Or, at least, I certainly hope they wouldn't adopt in 3D because some here need to learn some real manners. In the real world some people here would remain friendless and wouldn't be invited a second time to the gathering at Starbucks. On 02/12/2014 07:39 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... wrote: Barry does not seem to aspire to the kind of precision you enjoy. He seems mostly to rely on his writing skills and memory when posting on FFL. And we all know human memory is exceptionally pliable. He posts things he is interested in, occasionally replies to people, and there is a certain category of his posting that is designed to keep the rats running on their treadmill, a Pavlovian thing. So checking on Barry's claims is largely a waste of time as he is proffering opinions, not facts, and is stoking the campfire so he can bask in the heat generated. He has to deal with certain factual material if he is writing about science for clients. If there other places in his life for such concepts as facts and truth, it probably is not here on FFL. This place is for the insane; perhaps there are a few amateur sociologists and researchers hanging in here collecting data, but who might they be?
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
We know you cut the cable as far as TV is concerned. Did you dump TWC for broadband too? Comcast wants to gobble it up if you've been paying attention to the news. The Roberts family must want to own the world. On 02/13/2014 06:54 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: On 2/12/2014 11:02 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: In the real world some people here would remain friendless and wouldn't be invited a second time to the gathering at Starbucks. It would be a strange meeting at Starbucks to be invited for coffee if you'd just been called a dumb hick, a perv, a liar, an idiot, a troll, and lower than slime and you were being shunned for your political POV and your place of birth by the group leaders. If that happened at a Starbucks up in Austin, there would be at least be some table-turning and a food fight before taking it out in the parking lot. Go figure.
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We could all meet at Starbucks in Austin and get those YouTube people down here to film it and put it online. It would be an interesting meeting but seriously, I doubt if Judy would be invited and still get all the others to show up for the meeting. But, assuming she did show up, after Barry started the yelling and Buck upset the table, I don't see anyone defending her - maybe if Ann wore her boots she might try kicking Share in the shin or something. Go figure. But, seriously I can see Mike Dixon maybe slinging some mashed potatoes at Judy and I'm pretty sure MJ would get a pie in his face hole. There's no telling what Xeno or Curtis would do. I don't know if I could resist tripping someone like Robin as they tried to run out the door to the parking lot. I'd hope that people would come to their senses before someone had to call the cops and a bambulance. LoL! On 2/13/2014 9:22 AM, Share Long wrote: That's it, Richard! I'm moving to Austin and hanging out at Starbuck's! But might visit Whole Foods now and then, just to stock up on Larabars and quinoa (-: On Thursday, February 13, 2014 8:54 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/12/2014 11:02 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com mailto:awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: In the real world some people here would remain friendless and wouldn't be invited a second time to the gathering at Starbucks. It would be a strange meeting at Starbucks to be invited for coffee if you'd just been called a dumb hick, a perv, a liar, an idiot, a troll, and lower than slime and you were being shunned for your political POV and your place of birth by the group leaders. If that happened at a Starbucks up in Austin, there would be at least be some table-turning and a food fight before taking it out in the parking lot. Go figure.
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On 2/13/2014 11:55 AM, Bhairitu wrote: Did you dump TWC for broadband too? We've still got the ATT DSL at the place in San Antonio. When we move to Austin we will get on the fiber optic. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: It's funny you should say this about me without including Barry, whose attacks on those he doesn't like are almost all dead serious. It just an area where we have a difference of opinion. In general, I think Barry's approach to the site more or less mirrors mine which is to give people ample space to express their opinions, and not necessarily press too hard if there is a disagreement. As to the Internet being made for me, what makes you think all my friends are electronic-only? I mean only that it may be easier to form alliances or remain friendly, electronically, where that may not be the case in person. I don't assume that all your friends are electronic only. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote: Excellent points. For most of us, it is just a chat room. A place to banter about. And so, it is sort of jarring when someone like Judy takes everything so seriously and personally. Like it squeezes most of the fun out of it. Of course you will never convince her of that. She views herself as the staunch upholder of truth and justice, and there is no battle too small for her to fight. Just like what she is going to say in response to this post. The internet age was made for her in some ways as it is easier to be friends with someone, or maintain an alliance when you can remain at arms length. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote: Barry does not seem to aspire to the kind of precision you enjoy. He seems mostly to rely on his writing skills and memory when posting on FFL. And we all know human memory is exceptionally pliable. He posts things he is interested in, occasionally replies to people, and there is a certain category of his posting that is designed to keep the rats running on their treadmill, a Pavlovian thing. So checking on Barry's claims is largely a waste of time as he is proffering opinions, not facts, and is stoking the campfire so he can bask in the heat generated. He has to deal with certain factual material if he is writing about science for clients. If there other places in his life for such concepts as facts and truth, it probably is not here on FFL. This place is for the insane; perhaps there are a few amateur sociologists and researchers hanging in here collecting data, but who might they be?
[FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
You must be very selective in the posts by Barry that you read. You're a piker compared to him. Did you see his post this morning? Its viciousness (and inaccuracy) is typical. Your experience with making and keeping friends live vs. electronically is most definitely not the same as mine. Did you notice all the mind-reading in your first post (quoted below, in blue) in this sequence? It's funny you should say this about me without including Barry, whose attacks on those he doesn't like are almost all dead serious. It just an area where we have a difference of opinion. In general, I think Barry's approach to the site more or less mirrors mine which is to give people ample space to express their opinions, and not necessarily press too hard if there is a disagreement. As to the Internet being made for me, what makes you think all my friends are electronic-only? I mean only that it may be easier to form alliances or remain friendly, electronically, where that may not be the case in person. I don't assume that all your friends are electronic only. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote: Excellent points. For most of us, it is just a chat room. A place to banter about. And so, it is sort of jarring when someone like Judy takes everything so seriously and personally. Like it squeezes most of the fun out of it. Of course you will never convince her of that. She views herself as the staunch upholder of truth and justice, and there is no battle too small for her to fight. Just like what she is going to say in response to this post. The internet age was made for her in some ways as it is easier to be friends with someone, or maintain an alliance when you can remain at arms length. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote: Barry does not seem to aspire to the kind of precision you enjoy. He seems mostly to rely on his writing skills and memory when posting on FFL. And we all know human memory is exceptionally pliable. He posts things he is interested in, occasionally replies to people, and there is a certain category of his posting that is designed to keep the rats running on their treadmill, a Pavlovian thing. So checking on Barry's claims is largely a waste of time as he is proffering opinions, not facts, and is stoking the campfire so he can bask in the heat generated. He has to deal with certain factual material if he is writing about science for clients. If there other places in his life for such concepts as facts and truth, it probably is not here on FFL. This place is for the insane; perhaps there are a few amateur sociologists and researchers hanging in here collecting data, but who might they be?
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On 2/13/2014 3:04 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Judy has arguably the *least* actual hands on spiritual experience of anyone on this forum. Maybe that's to Judy's credit - she was not as gullible as you were for example, donating thousands of dollars to MMY and to the Rama guy - spending half of your adult life working to promote a simple set of relaxation techniques. If what you say is true, ou've got very little to show for all your money and time. Are you as light as a feather? Can you fly, hover or fill whole rooms with golden light?
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U-Verse or something else? Did I read that they are doing a community fiber in Austin? I have U-Verse and the fiber terminates about 1/2 block away so it is copper from there to the pole. Not much of any problem but it is overpriced. They should have done community fiber here but we would have needed a hipper city council for that. On 02/13/2014 12:35 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: On 2/13/2014 11:55 AM, Bhairitu wrote: Did you dump TWC for broadband too? We've still got the ATT DSL at the place in San Antonio. When we move to Austin we will get on the fiber optic. Go figure.
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YouTube people is us. You have a smart phone with a camera don't you? My phone takes 1080p HD and has a wide angle lens (instead of a 52mm standard like point and shoots). I also have other HD cameras. I suspect that folks who read like they would kill each other on FFL would just be laughing together. On 02/13/2014 11:52 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: We could all meet at Starbucks in Austin and get those YouTube people down here to film it and put it online. It would be an interesting meeting but seriously, I doubt if Judy would be invited and still get all the others to show up for the meeting. But, assuming she did show up, after Barry started the yelling and Buck upset the table, I don't see anyone defending her - maybe if Ann wore her boots she might try kicking Share in the shin or something. Go figure. But, seriously I can see Mike Dixon maybe slinging some mashed potatoes at Judy and I'm pretty sure MJ would get a pie in his face hole. There's no telling what Xeno or Curtis would do. I don't know if I could resist tripping someone like Robin as they tried to run out the door to the parking lot. I'd hope that people would come to their senses before someone had to call the cops and a bambulance. LoL! On 2/13/2014 9:22 AM, Share Long wrote: That's it, Richard! I'm moving to Austin and hanging out at Starbuck's! But might visit Whole Foods now and then, just to stock up on Larabars and quinoa (-: On Thursday, February 13, 2014 8:54 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/12/2014 11:02 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com mailto:awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: In the real world some people here would remain friendless and wouldn't be invited a second time to the gathering at Starbucks. It would be a strange meeting at Starbucks to be invited for coffee if you'd just been called a dumb hick, a perv, a liar, an idiot, a troll, and lower than slime and you were being shunned for your political POV and your place of birth by the group leaders. If that happened at a Starbucks up in Austin, there would be at least be some table-turning and a food fight before taking it out in the parking lot. Go figure.
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noozguru and Richard, if youtube is us, then why the heck can't I find what I just posted there? Mr first youtube and I can't even figure out how to find it! Go figure! On Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:34 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: YouTube people is us. You have a smart phone with a camera don't you? My phone takes 1080p HD and has a wide angle lens (instead of a 52mm standard like point and shoots). I also have other HD cameras. I suspect that folks who read like they would kill each other on FFL would just be laughing together. On 02/13/2014 11:52 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: We could all meet at Starbucks in Austin and get those YouTube people down here to film it and put it online. It would be an interesting meeting but seriously, I doubt if Judy would be invited and still get all the others to show up for the meeting. But, assuming she did show up, after Barry started the yelling and Buck upset the table, I don't see anyone defending her - maybe if Ann wore her boots she might try kicking Share in the shin or something. Go figure. But, seriously I can see Mike Dixon maybe slinging some mashed potatoes at Judy and I'm pretty sure MJ would get a pie in his face hole. There's no telling what Xeno or Curtis would do. I don't know if I could resist tripping someone like Robin as they tried to run out the door to the parking lot. I'd hope that people would come to their senses before someone had to call the cops and a bambulance. LoL! On 2/13/2014 9:22 AM, Share Long wrote: That's it, Richard! I'm moving to Austin and hanging out at Starbuck's! But might visit Whole Foods now and then, just to stock up on Larabars and quinoa (-: On Thursday, February 13, 2014 8:54 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/12/2014 11:02 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: In the real world some people here would remain friendless and wouldn't be invited a second time to the gathering at Starbucks. It would be a strange meeting at Starbucks to be invited for coffee if you'd just been called a dumb hick, a perv, a liar, an idiot, a troll, and lower than slime and you were being shunned for your political POV and your place of birth by the group leaders. If that happened at a Starbucks up in Austin, there would be at least be some table-turning and a food fight before taking it out in the parking lot. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: What's funny about this is that I posted my comment yesterday morning and it only showed up on the web site in the evening. It came through by mail yesterday morning. The NSA must be really busy these days. :-D Perhaps it depends on one's pedigree. Some folks I met during my time in TM apparently went to finishing schools and their gatherings were a bit snobbish if not uncomfortable. I would guess they would not feel comfortable at one of my anything goes table chats at Starbucks. What a funny concept, finishing schools are. I think you are dating yourself by bringing them up. Most people born after 1970 wouldn't know what you meant by that term. I am pretty sure no one currently at FFL ever went to one and as for pedigrees, those are for dogs and farm animals. On 02/12/2014 09:02 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote: I like to think of this place as if we are sitting around a table at Starbucks. First off, most folks at the table wouldn't get so wound up on assertions because they would know the asserter is just kidding them. And we would hope that before someone replied they didn't say, just a minute as they looked up something online on their phone or tablet. That would be a really bogged down conversation, hmm. :-D I would like to think if we were all sitting at Starbucks together we would have enough respect for each other that we would be willing to reveal enough of what is real and true about ourselves in a way that does not infringe, compromise or inappropriately offend others. It would also be nice to think that the parameters that bind us when we are together in person are not different from how we would conduct ourselves online. Many times I feel some take liberties via internet forums that they would not so readily adopt in person. Or, at least, I certainly hope they wouldn't adopt in 3D because some here need to learn some real manners. In the real world some people here would remain friendless and wouldn't be invited a second time to the gathering at Starbucks. On 02/12/2014 07:39 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... wrote: Barry does not seem to aspire to the kind of precision you enjoy. He seems mostly to rely on his writing skills and memory when posting on FFL. And we all know human memory is exceptionally pliable. He posts things he is interested in, occasionally replies to people, and there is a certain category of his posting that is designed to keep the rats running on their treadmill, a Pavlovian thing. So checking on Barry's claims is largely a waste of time as he is proffering opinions, not facts, and is stoking the campfire so he can bask in the heat generated. He has to deal with certain factual material if he is writing about science for clients. If there other places in his life for such concepts as facts and truth, it probably is not here on FFL. This place is for the insane; perhaps there are a few amateur sociologists and researchers hanging in here collecting data, but who might they be?
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: I wonder why Barry assumes I never met Robin. So Bhairitu, you think Barry is just kidding with this post? He seems awfully wound up to me. There's always tremendous negative energy behind his demonizations of Robin or Ann or me or others he doesn't like. It's as if he was fighting for his very survival, the poor guy. He isn't kidding, but he might as well be. He styles himself as the expert on Judy Stein, but in fact he knows nothing about me other than what I've said on FFL, and he even misrepresents that. Whenever he tries to guess, he gets it wrong. This post of his is no exception. Remember what Barry said about his therapist telling him that the person suffering from NPD makes it up as they go along? If that isn't a perfect description of Barry himself, I can't imagine what is. Even Xeno admitted that Barry doesn't care anything about being truthful or accurate, and that's certainly borne out by this post, as well as countless others that preceded it. I think your arms length comment kinda says it all, Steve. That's just what armchair seekers like Judy DO. They never actually DO anything much to further their own self discovery...they just read about other people's, and then argue about the stuff they think about it. One of the reasons that some of these armchair seekers purposefully keep from meeting the teachers they supposedly study with is that it's easier to preserve one's cherished fantasies about them if you've never met them. She did this with Maharishi, and she did it with Robin. She can continue to believe all the fantasies she's developed about both of them without fear of contradiction, because she's never exposed herself to the possibility of contradiction. Both of these guys -- or her impressions of them -- are tucked away in an elaborate fantasy cubbyhole in her mind, placed on a pedestal of honor there, and because she never has (or will) encounter the reality of them, she gets to call this fantasy truth. Anyone who disagrees with the fantasy is a liar. As has been pointed out here, Judy has arguably the *least* actual hands on spiritual experience of anyone on this forum. She's only done one short rounding course (which she, of course, considers long), she never became a teacher (and thus had to put other people's welfare ahead of her own), and she never met Maharishi. She never even met the Robin guy she claims to be the resident expert on. The only things she knows are the fantasies running around in her head. But to her those fantasies are so cherished and she *needs* them so much to keep on keepin' on that any challenge to them is perceived as a challenge to herself, her self, her very being. Challenging her idealized notions of Robin are (from her point of view) like attacking *her*, so of course she has to take them seriously. If anyone were to believe more objective points of view expressed here about the guy, they'd begin to challenge her posturing as the expert. And she simply cannot allow that. Barry you are such an outstandingly boring boor. Give us something to want to read about, step it up, man. You make me positively snooze with your same old, same old. Are you really this uninteresting? Is it possible anyone can find it fulfilling to continually write like you do about the things that you do? Are you really so bereft of originality and is your concern with making shit up about the same old person you have been obsessed with for all these years still your primary life's drive? Thank God you truly are a freak of nature. More than one of you per 100 square miles would be grounds for dropping some sort of nuclear warhead on the area. From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:00 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy Excellent points. For most of us, it is just a chat room. A place to banter about. And so, it is sort of jarring when someone like Judy takes everything so seriously and personally. Like it squeezes most of the fun out of it. Of course you will never convince her of that. She views herself as the staunch upholder of truth and justice, and there is no battle too small for her to fight. Just like what she is going to say in response to this post. The internet age was made for her in some ways as it is easier to be friends with someone, or maintain an alliance when you can remain at arms length. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote: Barry does not seem to aspire to the kind of precision you enjoy. He seems mostly to rely on his writing skills and memory when posting on FFL. And we all know human memory is exceptionally pliable. He posts things he is interested in, occasionally replies to people, and there is a certain category of his posting that is designed to
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
Judy, take your dysfunctionality somewhere else. Whether it was 12,000 words or 5,000 words it defied any kind of logic or reason. You may be about the only person to whom it made sense. I am not sure why that would be. Perhaps it gave you some sense of closeness the Maharishi that never got in person. That's as good a theory as any. fairfieldl...@yahoogoups.com, authfriend@... wrote: I just told you what I said. Why are you still misquoting me? And I wasn't talking about anything but his last series of posts, his last exchange with Curtis, in any case, what Barry dishonestly called a 12,000-word rant. He did write some long posts, but no single post was anywhere near that long. He wrote his posts for many different reasons. A few you could say were to set the record straight when someone had misrepresented or misunderstood him, but by no means all or even most or even many. Stevie, you were bragging about having access to Classic search. Your memory is so poor, you really need to check what someone said before you write about it. We wouldn't still be talking about this if you did. I thought Judy said a few days ago, that the purpose of his extraordinarily long posts was to basically, set the record straight especially with regard to this interactions with Curtis. And yes, I can't believe we're still talking about this. On the other hand, I kind of wish that little rascal would show up again. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote: I admit, I found it awfully strange that when Robin first came on board he had that wall of words manner of writing. It seemed like a rather large blind spot on his part, since it made what he wrote almost unreadable. And I remember Barry 2 speaking up, and then Robin started breaking things into paragraphs. Now, I guess Judy did clue me into one aspect of his writing, that is, his 12,000 word posts were written for posterity, if I understand it correctly. As I understand it, Robin decided to venture onto FFL as a result of an invitation (from Rick?) and as an exercise, a sort of meta therapeutic venturing forth in the form of this internet forum. I don't think he had really investigated this type of format before other than for a few months on the alt. blahdadeblah (can't remember the name) forum. Judy will know all this history. But I don't think he wrote what he did at FFL for posterity. This was pretty much an exercise for his own benefit. At least that is how I remember him talking about it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: I was raised to not let anyone bully me. So in the late 1960s when there were all kinds of cult leader types I just blew them off. When Robin showed up here you may recall I told him in a message to break up his wall of words as I felt that people might be interested in what he had to say. To me a wall of words shows worse than misspellings that the writer is ignorant or poorly educated. It's not necessarily an education thang. Some people are simply not aware of the short attention spans of Internet- and soundbyte-impaired readers these days. They find it almost impossible to read a Wall Of Words. Therefore, if you wish to communicate, you use shorter paragraphs. However, according to my friend the psychiatrist who is an expert on Narcissistic Personality Disorder, writing in Wall Of Words style -- especially when you see it happening in someone who has been well educated -- is one of the key markers they look for when diagnosing NPD. Wall Of Words writers don't CARE if they're communicating, and neither do NPD writers. Then at one point he went off on one of my posts and finished by saying now tell me you love me. I thought wha...? Rather than berate such cult leader like behavior I treated it like a joke and told him how funny he was. That seemed to throw him off his game. :-D I feel sorry for someone who can't shed the need to feel important. There may indeed be no cure for someone with severe NPD. When someone dares order me around in person I just stare at them. That really fucks them up. We're both lucky in having avoided the Boss Syndrome for much of our lives. There is a certain freedom in being a consultant that helps when dealing with life's Petty Tyrants. My friend the shrink was familiar with the works of Carlos Castaneda, and he referred to Carlos' descriptions of the Petty Tyrant often when teaching me about NPD. On 02/11/2014 12:09 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: I'm glad I went back to check out the remaining episodes of season one of The Following on Netflix. I had bailed after episode three because it seemed to formulaic. Perhaps Bacon was thinking that too as the
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote: Judy, take your dysfunctionality somewhere else. Whether it was 12,000 words or 5,000 words it defied any kind of logic or reason. You may be about the only person to whom it made sense. I am not sure why that would be. Perhaps it gave you some sense of closeness to Maharishi that you never got in person. That's as good a theory as any. Fairfieldlife@..., authfriend@... wrote: I just told you what I said. Why are you still misquoting me? And I wasn't talking about anything but his last series of posts, his last exchange with Curtis, in any case, what Barry dishonestly called a 12,000-word rant. He did write some long posts, but no single post was anywhere near that long. He wrote his posts for many different reasons. A few you could say were to set the record straight when someone had misrepresented or misunderstood him, but by no means all or even most or even many. Stevie, you were bragging about having access to Classic search. Your memory is so poor, you really need to check what someone said before you write about it. We wouldn't still be talking about this if you did. I thought Judy said a few days ago, that the purpose of his extraordinarily long posts was to basically, set the record straight especially with regard to this interactions with Curtis. And yes, I can't believe we're still talking about this. On the other hand, I kind of wish that little rascal would show up again. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote: I admit, I found it awfully strange that when Robin first came on board he had that wall of words manner of writing. It seemed like a rather large blind spot on his part, since it made what he wrote almost unreadable. And I remember Barry 2 speaking up, and then Robin started breaking things into paragraphs. Now, I guess Judy did clue me into one aspect of his writing, that is, his 12,000 word posts were written for posterity, if I understand it correctly. As I understand it, Robin decided to venture onto FFL as a result of an invitation (from Rick?) and as an exercise, a sort of meta therapeutic venturing forth in the form of this internet forum. I don't think he had really investigated this type of format before other than for a few months on the alt. blahdadeblah (can't remember the name) forum. Judy will know all this history. But I don't think he wrote what he did at FFL for posterity. This was pretty much an exercise for his own benefit. At least that is how I remember him talking about it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: I was raised to not let anyone bully me. So in the late 1960s when there were all kinds of cult leader types I just blew them off. When Robin showed up here you may recall I told him in a message to break up his wall of words as I felt that people might be interested in what he had to say. To me a wall of words shows worse than misspellings that the writer is ignorant or poorly educated. It's not necessarily an education thang. Some people are simply not aware of the short attention spans of Internet- and soundbyte-impaired readers these days. They find it almost impossible to read a Wall Of Words. Therefore, if you wish to communicate, you use shorter paragraphs. However, according to my friend the psychiatrist who is an expert on Narcissistic Personality Disorder, writing in Wall Of Words style -- especially when you see it happening in someone who has been well educated -- is one of the key markers they look for when diagnosing NPD. Wall Of Words writers don't CARE if they're communicating, and neither do NPD writers. Then at one point he went off on one of my posts and finished by saying now tell me you love me. I thought wha...? Rather than berate such cult leader like behavior I treated it like a joke and told him how funny he was. That seemed to throw him off his game. :-D I feel sorry for someone who can't shed the need to feel important. There may indeed be no cure for someone with severe NPD. When someone dares order me around in person I just stare at them. That really fucks them up. We're both lucky in having avoided the Boss Syndrome for much of our lives. There is a certain freedom in being a consultant that helps when dealing with life's Petty Tyrants. My friend the shrink was familiar with the works of Carlos Castaneda, and he referred to Carlos' descriptions of the Petty Tyrant often when teaching me about NPD. On 02/11/2014 12:09 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: I'm glad I went back to check out the remaining episodes of season one of The Following on Netflix. I had bailed after episode three because it seemed to
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
Wait. You keep misquoting me after I've corrected you, and I'm dysfunctional? How does that work, again? And what makes you think I'm disputing the number of words? Not only can you not remember what I said a couple of days ago, you don't seem able to read what I wrote last night. As far as I'm aware, there wasn't anything Robin wanted to set straight. You made that up. And he never wrote a single post anywhere near as long as 12,000 words. What was 12,000 words, in this case, was the total of the four posts he linked to (I'm taking Barry's word for this, which may be foolish on my part) in his last post, which was only 313 words. Your response is, once again, a bunch of non sequiturs. I'm the only person to whom what made sense? And your next-to-last sentence makes no sense at all. Judy, take your dysfunctionality somewhere else. Whether it was 12,000 words or 5,000 words it defied any kind of logic or reason. You may be about the only person to whom it made sense. I am not sure why that would be. Perhaps it gave you some sense of closeness the Maharishi that never got in person. That's as good a theory as any. Fairfieldlife@..., authfriend@... wrote: I just told you what I said. Why are you still misquoting me? And I wasn't talking about anything but his last series of posts, his last exchange with Curtis, in any case, what Barry dishonestly called a 12,000-word rant. He did write some long posts, but no single post was anywhere near that long. He wrote his posts for many different reasons. A few you could say were to set the record straight when someone had misrepresented or misunderstood him, but by no means all or even most or even many. Stevie, you were bragging about having access to Classic search. Your memory is so poor, you really need to check what someone said before you write about it. We wouldn't still be talking about this if you did. I thought Judy said a few days ago, that the purpose of his extraordinarily long posts was to basically, set the record straight especially with regard to this interactions with Curtis. And yes, I can't believe we're still talking about this. On the other hand, I kind of wish that little rascal would show up again. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote: I admit, I found it awfully strange that when Robin first came on board he had that wall of words manner of writing. It seemed like a rather large blind spot on his part, since it made what he wrote almost unreadable. And I remember Barry 2 speaking up, and then Robin started breaking things into paragraphs. Now, I guess Judy did clue me into one aspect of his writing, that is, his 12,000 word posts were written for posterity, if I understand it correctly. As I understand it, Robin decided to venture onto FFL as a result of an invitation (from Rick?) and as an exercise, a sort of meta therapeutic venturing forth in the form of this internet forum. I don't think he had really investigated this type of format before other than for a few months on the alt. blahdadeblah (can't remember the name) forum. Judy will know all this history. But I don't think he wrote what he did at FFL for posterity. This was pretty much an exercise for his own benefit. At least that is how I remember him talking about it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: I was raised to not let anyone bully me. So in the late 1960s when there were all kinds of cult leader types I just blew them off. When Robin showed up here you may recall I told him in a message to break up his wall of words as I felt that people might be interested in what he had to say. To me a wall of words shows worse than misspellings that the writer is ignorant or poorly educated. It's not necessarily an education thang. Some people are simply not aware of the short attention spans of Internet- and soundbyte-impaired readers these days. They find it almost impossible to read a Wall Of Words. Therefore, if you wish to communicate, you use shorter paragraphs. However, according to my friend the psychiatrist who is an expert on Narcissistic Personality Disorder, writing in Wall Of Words style -- especially when you see it happening in someone who has been well educated -- is one of the key markers they look for when diagnosing NPD. Wall Of Words writers don't CARE if they're communicating, and neither do NPD writers. Then at one point he went off on one of my posts and finished by saying now tell me you love me. I thought wha...? Rather than berate such cult leader like behavior I treated it like a joke and told him how funny he was. That seemed to throw him off his game. :-D I feel sorry for someone who can't shed the need to feel important. There may indeed be no cure for
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
Wow, Barry. Is this the best you can do? Pretty slim pickings given how many posts I've written about your own lies and misrepresentations. Here are the two sentences from your post I was remembering when I said you'd called Robin's last post a 12,000-word rant: Nowhere is this to be seen more definitively than in his Last Tantrum, the 13,000+ word megalomaniacal post that he *demanded* everyone read to be worthy of interacting with him further. He *didn't like it* that Curtis didn't respond to the 12,000-word 'four posts' in which he ranted obsessively about Curtis And Everything That Was Wrong With Him. So I conflated the two sentences. Obviously it wasn't a lie. What is a lie is the first quoted sentence above, as I've already pointed out. Robin didn't demand anything in his last post. Xeno might want to check it out since he seems to be into verifying my posts: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/340466 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/340466 And Stevie wasn't quoting me about the 12,000 number. His was the first post of the three, not the third, and I was quoting him. Question is, where did your 13,000+ words come from? Robin's last post was 313 words, plus the four links. He never wrote a 13,000+-word post, or a 12,000-word post, for that matter. And as I've also pointed out, in the four posts he linked to, many of the words were Curtis's. So you didn't write the exact phrase 12,000-word rant. BFD, buddy, especially considering all the actual lies you've been telling. It's also a lie that I lie all the time. I don't lie at all. If you disagree, cite some of the lies. Should be easy if I lie all the time. And finally, it's a lie that you don't read my posts, obviously. Oh, I forgot: You lied that I was up at 2:00 a.m. In fact, my post is time-stamped 1:45. Not a huge deal, but symptomatic of how reality is just never quite good enough for you. Finally, speaking of obsessions, what does one call your exercise in word-counting Robin's posts and then going on to write a long post full of lies about them? Was this fun for you, Barry? Do you enjoy lying and then being caught? Just for fun, since it appears that she's up at 2:00 AM again obsessing: Speaking of poor memories, Barry never used the phrase 12,000-word rant. That's a lie. The only person who has used that phrase, according to the Yahoo Search engine, is Judy Stein, in three separate posts today. Opsie. :-) :-) :-) Actually, the third post was by Steve, quoting Judy Stein's lie. In case no one has noticed, I'm just running the Steinster's insane nitpick number on HER. The crazy part is not that she lied -- she does that all the time -- the crazy part is that she's still obsessing about the nonentity named Robin Carlsen. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I just told you what I said. Why are you still misquoting me? And I wasn't talking about anything but his last series of posts, his last exchange with Curtis, in any case, what Barry dishonestly called a 12,000-word rant. He did write some long posts, but no single post was anywhere near that long. He wrote his posts for many different reasons. A few you could say were to set the record straight when someone had misrepresented or misunderstood him, but by no means all or even most or even many. Stevie, you were bragging about having access to Classic search. Your memory is so poor, you really need to check what someone said before you write about it. We wouldn't still be talking about this if you did. I thought Judy said a few days ago, that the purpose of his extraordinarily long posts was to basically, set the record straight especially with regard to this interactions with Curtis. And yes, I can't believe we're still talking about this. On the other hand, I kind of wish that little rascal would show up again.
[FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
Barry does not seem to aspire to the kind of precision you enjoy. He seems mostly to rely on his writing skills and memory when posting on FFL. And we all know human memory is exceptionally pliable. He posts things he is interested in, occasionally replies to people, and there is a certain category of his posting that is designed to keep the rats running on their treadmill, a Pavlovian thing. So checking on Barry's claims is largely a waste of time as he is proffering opinions, not facts, and is stoking the campfire so he can bask in the heat generated. He has to deal with certain factual material if he is writing about science for clients. If there other places in his life for such concepts as facts and truth, it probably is not here on FFL. This place is for the insane; perhaps there are a few amateur sociologists and researchers hanging in here collecting data, but who might they be?
[FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote: Barry does not seem to aspire to the kind of precision you enjoy. He seems mostly to rely on his writing skills and memory when posting on FFL. And we all know human memory is exceptionally pliable. He posts things he is interested in, occasionally replies to people, and there is a certain category of his posting that is designed to keep the rats running on their treadmill, a Pavlovian thing. So checking on Barry's claims is largely a waste of time as he is proffering opinions, not facts, and is stoking the campfire so he can bask in the heat generated. He has to deal with certain factual material if he is writing about science for clients. If there other places in his life for such concepts as facts and truth, it probably is not here on FFL. This place is for the insane; perhaps there are a few amateur sociologists and researchers hanging in here collecting data, but who might they be?
[FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
Ooopsie Judy. That should be: And it most certainly is NOT the case that lies and misrepresentations have the same value as facts and opinions based on facts.
[FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Ooopsie Judy. That should be: And it most certainly is NOT the case that lies and misrepresentations have the same value as facts and opinions based on facts. I don't think Mr Xeno cares one way or another. He makes his own rules and lives by them when it suits him and when it doesn't he changes them. He appears to keep some suspect company here at FFL. Doesn't Xeno claim he's enlightened or something? If that is the case then I guess Robin was right, enlightenment is definitely a delusion or, it at least leads to bad friend choices.
[FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
It's odd, isn't it, that most people here in this place for the insane nevertheless manage to get their facts straight most of the time and ground their opinions in those facts rather than in hallucinatory fantasies and deliberate distortions, especially regarding other FFLers. Doesn't mean they always get everything right, or that they're always fair, but they do make an effort. What I suggested Xeno check on, of course, was a fact, not an opinion: Did Robin make any demands in his final post, as Barry claims? It's pretty easy to tell; you just have to read the post in question (for which I provided a link). Xeno appears to think it's perfectly OK for Barry to tell outrageous falsehoods and deliver wildly distorted opinions not based on fact but on his own hostile fantasies. But Xeno went to some trouble to look up a quote from a post of Barry's that I had accidentally misidentified as being about Robin when it was about Ravi, and to make a post of his own carefully pointing out the mistake. What's wrong with this picture? Why does Xeno feel compelled to defend Barry's misstatements while ostentatiously pointing out one of my rare errors? Xeno, if he's honest with himself, knows Barry's portrayals of Robin, Ann, and me do not accord with the reality. It really isn't the case that one opinion has the same value as any other, not in the world most of us live in. And it most certainly is the case that lies and misrepresentations have the same value as facts and opinions based on facts. I would say Barry's memory is exceptionally pliable, all right, but on a scale of 1 to 10, that pliability is at least a 9, while that of most people here--even Xeno's--is quite a few points lower. What accounts for the difference? And why, pray tell, should Barry get a pass for exploiting that pliability--especially with regard to people he doesn't like--because he enjoys starting fires by saying things that aren't so and likes to bask in the heat? How is this acceptable behavior, to deliberately slander people? Xeno claims to live in a different world than the rest of us--one in which everyday values like honesty don't count--but he seems to want to participate in our world as well while importing his own value-free outlook in his commentaries with regard to the folks he sides with, and applying everyday values to those he doesn't like. That strikes me as pretty shoddy behavior. Such double standards are hypocritical, to say the least, in the world most of us here live in. Barry does not seem to aspire to the kind of precision you enjoy. He seems mostly to rely on his writing skills and memory when posting on FFL. And we all know human memory is exceptionally pliable. He posts things he is interested in, occasionally replies to people, and there is a certain category of his posting that is designed to keep the rats running on their treadmill, a Pavlovian thing. So checking on Barry's claims is largely a waste of time as he is proffering opinions, not facts, and is stoking the campfire so he can bask in the heat generated. He has to deal with certain factual material if he is writing about science for clients. If there other places in his life for such concepts as facts and truth, it probably is not here on FFL. This place is for the insane; perhaps there are a few amateur sociologists and researchers hanging in here collecting data, but who might they be?
[FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
No it is not odd. I am old enough now that I just do not really care that much about what people say. Lying and deception drive whole populations to behave in certain ways, whether something is true or not does not mitigate the effects. We live the effect of untruth all day long. It's in our brains, our programming. Human misunderstandings, mistakes, 'deliberate' deceptions are a part of life. One will go crazy trying to right every one. I would prefer to think I have no standards at all rather than a double one. Everyone here on FFL has at one time or another been hypocritical one way or another; there are too many contradictions in life to avoid them all. Your crusade to end hypocrisy simply has failed 100%. Long live injustice! For if you wish to have justice alone, you will always be faced with its opposite. Comportment with truth has nothing to do with any of this dualistic engagement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: It's odd, isn't it, that most people here in this place for the insane nevertheless manage to get their facts straight most of the time and ground their opinions in those facts rather than in hallucinatory fantasies and deliberate distortions, especially regarding other FFLers. Doesn't mean they always get everything right, or that they're always fair, but they do make an effort. What I suggested Xeno check on, of course, was a fact, not an opinion: Did Robin make any demands in his final post, as Barry claims? It's pretty easy to tell; you just have to read the post in question (for which I provided a link). Xeno appears to think it's perfectly OK for Barry to tell outrageous falsehoods and deliver wildly distorted opinions not based on fact but on his own hostile fantasies. But Xeno went to some trouble to look up a quote from a post of Barry's that I had accidentally misidentified as being about Robin when it was about Ravi, and to make a post of his own carefully pointing out the mistake. What's wrong with this picture? Why does Xeno feel compelled to defend Barry's misstatements while ostentatiously pointing out one of my rare errors? Xeno, if he's honest with himself, knows Barry's portrayals of Robin, Ann, and me do not accord with the reality. It really isn't the case that one opinion has the same value as any other, not in the world most of us live in. And it most certainly is the case that lies and misrepresentations have the same value as facts and opinions based on facts. I would say Barry's memory is exceptionally pliable, all right, but on a scale of 1 to 10, that pliability is at least a 9, while that of most people here--even Xeno's--is quite a few points lower. What accounts for the difference? And why, pray tell, should Barry get a pass for exploiting that pliability--especially with regard to people he doesn't like--because he enjoys starting fires by saying things that aren't so and likes to bask in the heat? How is this acceptable behavior, to deliberately slander people? Xeno claims to live in a different world than the rest of us--one in which everyday values like honesty don't count--but he seems to want to participate in our world as well while importing his own value-free outlook in his commentaries with regard to the folks he sides with, and applying everyday values to those he doesn't like. That strikes me as pretty shoddy behavior. Such double standards are hypocritical, to say the least, in the world most of us here live in. Barry does not seem to aspire to the kind of precision you enjoy. He seems mostly to rely on his writing skills and memory when posting on FFL. And we all know human memory is exceptionally pliable. He posts things he is interested in, occasionally replies to people, and there is a certain category of his posting that is designed to keep the rats running on their treadmill, a Pavlovian thing. So checking on Barry's claims is largely a waste of time as he is proffering opinions, not facts, and is stoking the campfire so he can bask in the heat generated. He has to deal with certain factual material if he is writing about science for clients. If there other places in his life for such concepts as facts and truth, it probably is not here on FFL. This place is for the insane; perhaps there are a few amateur sociologists and researchers hanging in here collecting data, but who might they be?
[FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
And yet Xeno seemed to care enough to go dig up a post of Barry's from the archives that I had quoted and (as I said) ostentatiously report that I had misidentified the person Barry was referring to. His not caring appears to be conspicuously selective. That's what I find odd. Perhaps needless to say, he hasn't addressed that point. No it is not odd. I am old enough now that I just do not really care that much about what people say. Lying and deception drive whole populations to behave in certain ways, whether something is true or not does not mitigate the effects. We live the effect of untruth all day long. It's in our brains, our programming. Human misunderstandings, mistakes, 'deliberate' deceptions are a part of life. One will go crazy trying to right every one. I would prefer to think I have no standards at all rather than a double one. Everyone here on FFL has at one time or another been hypocritical one way or another; there are too many contradictions in life to avoid them all. Your crusade to end hypocrisy simply has failed 100%. Long live injustice! For if you wish to have justice alone, you will always be faced with its opposite. Comportment with truth has nothing to do with any of this dualistic engagement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: It's odd, isn't it, that most people here in this place for the insane nevertheless manage to get their facts straight most of the time and ground their opinions in those facts rather than in hallucinatory fantasies and deliberate distortions, especially regarding other FFLers. Doesn't mean they always get everything right, or that they're always fair, but they do make an effort. What I suggested Xeno check on, of course, was a fact, not an opinion: Did Robin make any demands in his final post, as Barry claims? It's pretty easy to tell; you just have to read the post in question (for which I provided a link). Xeno appears to think it's perfectly OK for Barry to tell outrageous falsehoods and deliver wildly distorted opinions not based on fact but on his own hostile fantasies. But Xeno went to some trouble to look up a quote from a post of Barry's that I had accidentally misidentified as being about Robin when it was about Ravi, and to make a post of his own carefully pointing out the mistake. What's wrong with this picture? Why does Xeno feel compelled to defend Barry's misstatements while ostentatiously pointing out one of my rare errors? Xeno, if he's honest with himself, knows Barry's portrayals of Robin, Ann, and me do not accord with the reality. It really isn't the case that one opinion has the same value as any other, not in the world most of us live in. And it most certainly is the case that lies and misrepresentations have the same value as facts and opinions based on facts. I would say Barry's memory is exceptionally pliable, all right, but on a scale of 1 to 10, that pliability is at least a 9, while that of most people here--even Xeno's--is quite a few points lower. What accounts for the difference? And why, pray tell, should Barry get a pass for exploiting that pliability--especially with regard to people he doesn't like--because he enjoys starting fires by saying things that aren't so and likes to bask in the heat? How is this acceptable behavior, to deliberately slander people? Xeno claims to live in a different world than the rest of us--one in which everyday values like honesty don't count--but he seems to want to participate in our world as well while importing his own value-free outlook in his commentaries with regard to the folks he sides with, and applying everyday values to those he doesn't like. That strikes me as pretty shoddy behavior. Such double standards are hypocritical, to say the least, in the world most of us here live in. Barry does not seem to aspire to the kind of precision you enjoy. He seems mostly to rely on his writing skills and memory when posting on FFL. And we all know human memory is exceptionally pliable. He posts things he is interested in, occasionally replies to people, and there is a certain category of his posting that is designed to keep the rats running on their treadmill, a Pavlovian thing. So checking on Barry's claims is largely a waste of time as he is proffering opinions, not facts, and is stoking the campfire so he can bask in the heat generated. He has to deal with certain factual material if he is writing about science for clients. If there other places in his life for such concepts as facts and truth, it probably is not here on FFL. This place is for the insane; perhaps there are a few amateur sociologists and researchers hanging in here collecting data, but who might they be?
[FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
No, I have not addressed the issue you raised. By the way your comments on the CBO report seem to be accurate. http://www.factcheck.org/2014/02/the-aca-losing-job-vs-choosing-not-to-work/ http://www.factcheck.org/2014/02/the-aca-losing-job-vs-choosing-not-to-work/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: And yet Xeno seemed to care enough to go dig up a post of Barry's from the archives that I had quoted and (as I said) ostentatiously report that I had misidentified the person Barry was referring to. His not caring appears to be conspicuously selective. That's what I find odd. Perhaps needless to say, he hasn't addressed that point. No it is not odd. I am old enough now that I just do not really care that much about what people say. Lying and deception drive whole populations to behave in certain ways, whether something is true or not does not mitigate the effects. We live the effect of untruth all day long. It's in our brains, our programming. Human misunderstandings, mistakes, 'deliberate' deceptions are a part of life. One will go crazy trying to right every one. I would prefer to think I have no standards at all rather than a double one. Everyone here on FFL has at one time or another been hypocritical one way or another; there are too many contradictions in life to avoid them all. Your crusade to end hypocrisy simply has failed 100%. Long live injustice! For if you wish to have justice alone, you will always be faced with its opposite. Comportment with truth has nothing to do with any of this dualistic engagement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: It's odd, isn't it, that most people here in this place for the insane nevertheless manage to get their facts straight most of the time and ground their opinions in those facts rather than in hallucinatory fantasies and deliberate distortions, especially regarding other FFLers. Doesn't mean they always get everything right, or that they're always fair, but they do make an effort. What I suggested Xeno check on, of course, was a fact, not an opinion: Did Robin make any demands in his final post, as Barry claims? It's pretty easy to tell; you just have to read the post in question (for which I provided a link). Xeno appears to think it's perfectly OK for Barry to tell outrageous falsehoods and deliver wildly distorted opinions not based on fact but on his own hostile fantasies. But Xeno went to some trouble to look up a quote from a post of Barry's that I had accidentally misidentified as being about Robin when it was about Ravi, and to make a post of his own carefully pointing out the mistake. What's wrong with this picture? Why does Xeno feel compelled to defend Barry's misstatements while ostentatiously pointing out one of my rare errors? Xeno, if he's honest with himself, knows Barry's portrayals of Robin, Ann, and me do not accord with the reality. It really isn't the case that one opinion has the same value as any other, not in the world most of us live in. And it most certainly is the case that lies and misrepresentations have the same value as facts and opinions based on facts. I would say Barry's memory is exceptionally pliable, all right, but on a scale of 1 to 10, that pliability is at least a 9, while that of most people here--even Xeno's--is quite a few points lower. What accounts for the difference? And why, pray tell, should Barry get a pass for exploiting that pliability--especially with regard to people he doesn't like--because he enjoys starting fires by saying things that aren't so and likes to bask in the heat? How is this acceptable behavior, to deliberately slander people? Xeno claims to live in a different world than the rest of us--one in which everyday values like honesty don't count--but he seems to want to participate in our world as well while importing his own value-free outlook in his commentaries with regard to the folks he sides with, and applying everyday values to those he doesn't like. That strikes me as pretty shoddy behavior. Such double standards are hypocritical, to say the least, in the world most of us here live in. Barry does not seem to aspire to the kind of precision you enjoy. He seems mostly to rely on his writing skills and memory when posting on FFL. And we all know human memory is exceptionally pliable. He posts things he is interested in, occasionally replies to people, and there is a certain category of his posting that is designed to keep the rats running on their treadmill, a Pavlovian thing. So checking on Barry's claims is largely a waste of time as he is proffering opinions, not facts, and is stoking the campfire so he can bask in the heat generated. He has to deal with certain factual material if he is writing about science for clients. If there other places in his life for such concepts as facts and truth, it probably is not here on FFL. This place is for the
[FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
Duh. So sorry to disappoint you. No, I have not addressed the issue you raised. By the way your comments on the CBO report seem to be accurate. http://www.factcheck.org/2014/02/the-aca-losing-job-vs-choosing-not-to-work/ http://www.factcheck.org/2014/02/the-aca-losing-job-vs-choosing-not-to-work/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: And yet Xeno seemed to care enough to go dig up a post of Barry's from the archives that I had quoted and (as I said) ostentatiously report that I had misidentified the person Barry was referring to. His not caring appears to be conspicuously selective. That's what I find odd. Perhaps needless to say, he hasn't addressed that point. No it is not odd. I am old enough now that I just do not really care that much about what people say. Lying and deception drive whole populations to behave in certain ways, whether something is true or not does not mitigate the effects. We live the effect of untruth all day long. It's in our brains, our programming. Human misunderstandings, mistakes, 'deliberate' deceptions are a part of life. One will go crazy trying to right every one. I would prefer to think I have no standards at all rather than a double one. Everyone here on FFL has at one time or another been hypocritical one way or another; there are too many contradictions in life to avoid them all. Your crusade to end hypocrisy simply has failed 100%. Long live injustice! For if you wish to have justice alone, you will always be faced with its opposite. Comportment with truth has nothing to do with any of this dualistic engagement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: It's odd, isn't it, that most people here in this place for the insane nevertheless manage to get their facts straight most of the time and ground their opinions in those facts rather than in hallucinatory fantasies and deliberate distortions, especially regarding other FFLers. Doesn't mean they always get everything right, or that they're always fair, but they do make an effort. What I suggested Xeno check on, of course, was a fact, not an opinion: Did Robin make any demands in his final post, as Barry claims? It's pretty easy to tell; you just have to read the post in question (for which I provided a link). Xeno appears to think it's perfectly OK for Barry to tell outrageous falsehoods and deliver wildly distorted opinions not based on fact but on his own hostile fantasies. But Xeno went to some trouble to look up a quote from a post of Barry's that I had accidentally misidentified as being about Robin when it was about Ravi, and to make a post of his own carefully pointing out the mistake. What's wrong with this picture? Why does Xeno feel compelled to defend Barry's misstatements while ostentatiously pointing out one of my rare errors? Xeno, if he's honest with himself, knows Barry's portrayals of Robin, Ann, and me do not accord with the reality. It really isn't the case that one opinion has the same value as any other, not in the world most of us live in. And it most certainly is the case that lies and misrepresentations have the same value as facts and opinions based on facts. I would say Barry's memory is exceptionally pliable, all right, but on a scale of 1 to 10, that pliability is at least a 9, while that of most people here--even Xeno's--is quite a few points lower. What accounts for the difference? And why, pray tell, should Barry get a pass for exploiting that pliability--especially with regard to people he doesn't like--because he enjoys starting fires by saying things that aren't so and likes to bask in the heat? How is this acceptable behavior, to deliberately slander people? Xeno claims to live in a different world than the rest of us--one in which everyday values like honesty don't count--but he seems to want to participate in our world as well while importing his own value-free outlook in his commentaries with regard to the folks he sides with, and applying everyday values to those he doesn't like. That strikes me as pretty shoddy behavior. Such double standards are hypocritical, to say the least, in the world most of us here live in. Barry does not seem to aspire to the kind of precision you enjoy. He seems mostly to rely on his writing skills and memory when posting on FFL. And we all know human memory is exceptionally pliable. He posts things he is interested in, occasionally replies to people, and there is a certain category of his posting that is designed to keep the rats running on their treadmill, a Pavlovian thing. So checking on Barry's claims is largely a waste of time as he is proffering opinions, not facts, and is stoking the campfire so he can bask in the heat generated. He has to deal with certain factual material if he is writing about science for clients. If there other places in his life for such concepts as facts and truth, it probably is not
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
On 2/12/2014 9:39 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: This place is for the insane; perhaps there are a few amateur sociologists and researchers hanging in here collecting data, but who might they be? This place is supposed to be for sharing information about life experiences and views, but nothing posted here should be taken seriously. There are no scientists posting here that I know of. There used to be an educator Ph.D. psychologist posting here and there was a clinical NP (nurse practioner) posting here at one time. Back in the old days, we used to depend on Rick and Alex to tell us what's going on in Fairfield. But, these days we've got some real informants here who are on the inside of the TMO - so we know all about the comings-and-goings of the TMers up there at MUM, inside the golden domes, and at the Revelations Cafe Book Store. Apparently everyone in town gets their pizza and coffee beans at Revelations downtown on Main Street. You can safely ignore most of the posts of the ex-baker and the expat. There are only a few people posting on-topic messages here these days: Buck, Share, Lawson and Judy. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
Not disappointed. For some reason I did attempt to check your quote of Barry's. Normally I do not check anyone's quotes. Yahoo's Neo was simply giving me an error message. I logged in to an ATT account which seems to have a connexion to Yahoo through a server without Neo. It took a while to pin the quote down because I do not recall you having given the number of the post. I was surprised at the result; you occasionally make errors of this sort, but not very often. It was rather seemingly random for the most part that I stumbled on that. When I get a new software program, the first thing that usually happens to me is I find some bug, and it is not through deliberate searching, it just happens that way. Regarding referring to me in the third person, that has the semblance of non-interaction, but it is an appearance only, not the underlying intent. I would say this: As far as individual facts you have a far greater accuracy rate compared to Barry. But as to how all those facts fit together to make a life, along with all the vicissitudes of life, all the deceptions that life brings, Barry has a much greater grasp of reality than you do. This doesn't mean he is somehow more honest or less honest than others might be, it is that he has developed an equilibrium with what is going on, and you seem to be in a constant war with what is going on. It is not a logical thing, it is an intuitive thing, this kind of evaluation, and such an evaluation may or not be reliable, but it is all I have to go on. Equilibrium develops between family, friends, acquaintances, even enemies. I seem to have developed an on-line equilibrium with Barry. We do not know each other, it is all textual interaction, maybe it is more we stay out of each other's way; there is no rule that he will never disagree with me or I him. With you, equilibrium does not seem possible at this juncture; impossibility seems more the word to use, as a feeling I would say an eternal impossibility. Since you cannot directly discuss with me now due to your insistence on imaginary honesty, that becomes even more impossible now than before, even though 'more impossible' is a ridiculous phrase since 'impossible' is all that need be said. The two of you seem to be the antipodes of FFL, which results in so much fun, so much turmoil. What a show! If there was a god, he (or she) could do no better at creating perturbing situations. In the words (written by Johnathan Nolan and Christopher Nolan) for the character the Joker in the movie The Dark Knight Rises: Oh, you. You just couldn't let me go, could you? This is what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object. You truly are incorruptible, aren't you? You won't kill me out of some misplaced sense of self-righteousness. And I won't kill you because you're just too much fun. I think you and I are destined to do this forever. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Duh. So sorry to disappoint you.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
Correction: Some people get their coffee beans at Revelations and some people get their coffee at Cafe Paridiso, in Fairfield, IA. [image: Inline image 2] http://kartikasays.com/category/life-in-fairfield-iowa/ . On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote: On 2/12/2014 9:39 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: This place is for the insane; perhaps there are a few amateur sociologists and researchers hanging in here collecting data, but who might they be? This place is supposed to be for sharing information about life experiences and views, but nothing posted here should be taken seriously. There are no scientists posting here that I know of. There used to be an educator Ph.D. psychologist posting here and there was a clinical NP (nurse practioner) posting here at one time. Back in the old days, we used to depend on Rick and Alex to tell us what's going on in Fairfield. But, these days we've got some real informants here who are on the inside of the TMO - so we know all about the comings-and-goings of the TMers up there at MUM, inside the golden domes, and at the Revelations Cafe Book Store. Apparently everyone in town gets their pizza and coffee beans at Revelations downtown on Main Street. You can safely ignore most of the posts of the ex-baker and the expat. There are only a few people posting on-topic messages here these days: Buck, Share, Lawson and Judy. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
Judy, I'm gonna guess that you excelled in dodge ball as a grade schooler. I'm not going to bother to sort out the details of what you are saying here. I think the broad outlines of Robin's posts are pretty clear. Now within the broad outlines you can create any tale you like, but what he posted, the lengths of his posts, and his overall objectives, stand on their own. I'm not sayin they make sense. Hell No!. But other than that, the technical aspects and the intent I think are clear. BTW, they do have dodge ball leagues for adults. Whether or not they have one for seniors, I couldn't say. But I'd love to join one too. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Wait. You keep misquoting me after I've corrected you, and I'm dysfunctional? How does that work, again? And what makes you think I'm disputing the number of words? Not only can you not remember what I said a couple of days ago, you don't seem able to read what I wrote last night. As far as I'm aware, there wasn't anything Robin wanted to set straight. You made that up. And he never wrote a single post anywhere near as long as 12,000 words. What was 12,000 words, in this case, was the total of the four posts he linked to (I'm taking Barry's word for this, which may be foolish on my part) in his last post, which was only 313 words. Your response is, once again, a bunch of non sequiturs. I'm the only person to whom what made sense? And your next-to-last sentence makes no sense at all. Judy, take your dysfunctionality somewhere else. Whether it was 12,000 words or 5,000 words it defied any kind of logic or reason. You may be about the only person to whom it made sense. I am not sure why that would be. Perhaps it gave you some sense of closeness the Maharishi that never got in person. That's as good a theory as any. Fairfieldlife@..., authfriend@... wrote: I just told you what I said. Why are you still misquoting me? And I wasn't talking about anything but his last series of posts, his last exchange with Curtis, in any case, what Barry dishonestly called a 12,000-word rant. He did write some long posts, but no single post was anywhere near that long. He wrote his posts for many different reasons. A few you could say were to set the record straight when someone had misrepresented or misunderstood him, but by no means all or even most or even many. Stevie, you were bragging about having access to Classic search. Your memory is so poor, you really need to check what someone said before you write about it. We wouldn't still be talking about this if you did. I thought Judy said a few days ago, that the purpose of his extraordinarily long posts was to basically, set the record straight especially with regard to this interactions with Curtis. And yes, I can't believe we're still talking about this. On the other hand, I kind of wish that little rascal would show up again. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote: I admit, I found it awfully strange that when Robin first came on board he had that wall of words manner of writing. It seemed like a rather large blind spot on his part, since it made what he wrote almost unreadable. And I remember Barry 2 speaking up, and then Robin started breaking things into paragraphs. Now, I guess Judy did clue me into one aspect of his writing, that is, his 12,000 word posts were written for posterity, if I understand it correctly. As I understand it, Robin decided to venture onto FFL as a result of an invitation (from Rick?) and as an exercise, a sort of meta therapeutic venturing forth in the form of this internet forum. I don't think he had really investigated this type of format before other than for a few months on the alt. blahdadeblah (can't remember the name) forum. Judy will know all this history. But I don't think he wrote what he did at FFL for posterity. This was pretty much an exercise for his own benefit. At least that is how I remember him talking about it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: I was raised to not let anyone bully me. So in the late 1960s when there were all kinds of cult leader types I just blew them off. When Robin showed up here you may recall I told him in a message to break up his wall of words as I felt that people might be interested in what he had to say. To me a wall of words shows worse than misspellings that the writer is ignorant or poorly educated. It's not necessarily an education thang. Some people are simply not aware of the short attention spans of Internet- and soundbyte-impaired readers these days. They find it almost impossible to read a Wall Of Words. Therefore, if you wish to communicate, you use shorter paragraphs. However, according to my friend the
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
Of course you're not going to bother to sort out the details of what I wrote. You're in too deep a hole to even see over the edge. Apparently his intent was not at all clear to you. His overall objective was neither to write posts for posterity, nor to set the record straight, or whatever other silly fantasies you may be entertaining. Ann and I have both explained to you what his intent actually was. If you believe Barry's version, you're a bigger tool than I thought. Oh, and no dodging by me in this discussion. It's you who've been dodging, as you do in this post. Judy, I'm gonna guess that you excelled in dodge ball as a grade schooler. I'm not going to bother to sort out the details of what you are saying here. I think the broad outlines of Robin's posts are pretty clear. Now within the broad outlines you can create any tale you like, but what he posted, the lengths of his posts, and his overall objectives, stand on their own. I'm not sayin they make sense. Hell No!. But other than that, the technical aspects and the intent I think are clear. BTW, they do have dodge ball leagues for adults. Whether or not they have one for seniors, I couldn't say. But I'd love to join one too. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Wait. You keep misquoting me after I've corrected you, and I'm dysfunctional? How does that work, again? And what makes you think I'm disputing the number of words? Not only can you not remember what I said a couple of days ago, you don't seem able to read what I wrote last night. As far as I'm aware, there wasn't anything Robin wanted to set straight. You made that up. And he never wrote a single post anywhere near as long as 12,000 words. What was 12,000 words, in this case, was the total of the four posts he linked to (I'm taking Barry's word for this, which may be foolish on my part) in his last post, which was only 313 words. Your response is, once again, a bunch of non sequiturs. I'm the only person to whom what made sense? And your next-to-last sentence makes no sense at all. Judy, take your dysfunctionality somewhere else. Whether it was 12,000 words or 5,000 words it defied any kind of logic or reason. You may be about the only person to whom it made sense. I am not sure why that would be. Perhaps it gave you some sense of closeness the Maharishi that never got in person. That's as good a theory as any. Fairfieldlife@..., authfriend@... wrote: I just told you what I said. Why are you still misquoting me? And I wasn't talking about anything but his last series of posts, his last exchange with Curtis, in any case, what Barry dishonestly called a 12,000-word rant. He did write some long posts, but no single post was anywhere near that long. He wrote his posts for many different reasons. A few you could say were to set the record straight when someone had misrepresented or misunderstood him, but by no means all or even most or even many. Stevie, you were bragging about having access to Classic search. Your memory is so poor, you really need to check what someone said before you write about it. We wouldn't still be talking about this if you did. I thought Judy said a few days ago, that the purpose of his extraordinarily long posts was to basically, set the record straight especially with regard to this interactions with Curtis. And yes, I can't believe we're still talking about this. On the other hand, I kind of wish that little rascal would show up again. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote: I admit, I found it awfully strange that when Robin first came on board he had that wall of words manner of writing. It seemed like a rather large blind spot on his part, since it made what he wrote almost unreadable. And I remember Barry 2 speaking up, and then Robin started breaking things into paragraphs. Now, I guess Judy did clue me into one aspect of his writing, that is, his 12,000 word posts were written for posterity, if I understand it correctly. As I understand it, Robin decided to venture onto FFL as a result of an invitation (from Rick?) and as an exercise, a sort of meta therapeutic venturing forth in the form of this internet forum. I don't think he had really investigated this type of format before other than for a few months on the alt. blahdadeblah (can't remember the name) forum. Judy will know all this history. But I don't think he wrote what he did at FFL for posterity. This was pretty much an exercise for his own benefit. At least that is how I remember him talking about it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: I was raised to not let anyone bully me. So in the late 1960s when there were all kinds of cult leader types I just blew them off.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
These are all your usual come ons, and of course, put downs. Prolonged discussions with you rarely result in any benefit, and often devolve into your mind reading abilities. But I guess it must give you pride to be the self appointed RWC expert. Something to hang your hat on. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Of course you're not going to bother to sort out the details of what I wrote. You're in too deep a hole to even see over the edge. Apparently his intent was not at all clear to you. His overall objective was neither to write posts for posterity, nor to set the record straight, or whatever other silly fantasies you may be entertaining. Ann and I have both explained to you what his intent actually was. If you believe Barry's version, you're a bigger tool than I thought. Oh, and no dodging by me in this discussion. It's you who've been dodging, as you do in this post. Judy, I'm gonna guess that you excelled in dodge ball as a grade schooler. I'm not going to bother to sort out the details of what you are saying here. I think the broad outlines of Robin's posts are pretty clear. Now within the broad outlines you can create any tale you like, but what he posted, the lengths of his posts, and his overall objectives, stand on their own. I'm not sayin they make sense. Hell No!. But other than that, the technical aspects and the intent I think are clear. BTW, they do have dodge ball leagues for adults. Whether or not they have one for seniors, I couldn't say. But I'd love to join one too. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Wait. You keep misquoting me after I've corrected you, and I'm dysfunctional? How does that work, again? And what makes you think I'm disputing the number of words? Not only can you not remember what I said a couple of days ago, you don't seem able to read what I wrote last night. As far as I'm aware, there wasn't anything Robin wanted to set straight. You made that up. And he never wrote a single post anywhere near as long as 12,000 words. What was 12,000 words, in this case, was the total of the four posts he linked to (I'm taking Barry's word for this, which may be foolish on my part) in his last post, which was only 313 words. Your response is, once again, a bunch of non sequiturs. I'm the only person to whom what made sense? And your next-to-last sentence makes no sense at all. Judy, take your dysfunctionality somewhere else. Whether it was 12,000 words or 5,000 words it defied any kind of logic or reason. You may be about the only person to whom it made sense. I am not sure why that would be. Perhaps it gave you some sense of closeness the Maharishi that never got in person. That's as good a theory as any. Fairfieldlife@..., authfriend@... wrote: I just told you what I said. Why are you still misquoting me? And I wasn't talking about anything but his last series of posts, his last exchange with Curtis, in any case, what Barry dishonestly called a 12,000-word rant. He did write some long posts, but no single post was anywhere near that long. He wrote his posts for many different reasons. A few you could say were to set the record straight when someone had misrepresented or misunderstood him, but by no means all or even most or even many. Stevie, you were bragging about having access to Classic search. Your memory is so poor, you really need to check what someone said before you write about it. We wouldn't still be talking about this if you did. I thought Judy said a few days ago, that the purpose of his extraordinarily long posts was to basically, set the record straight especially with regard to this interactions with Curtis. And yes, I can't believe we're still talking about this. On the other hand, I kind of wish that little rascal would show up again. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote: I admit, I found it awfully strange that when Robin first came on board he had that wall of words manner of writing. It seemed like a rather large blind spot on his part, since it made what he wrote almost unreadable. And I remember Barry 2 speaking up, and then Robin started breaking things into paragraphs. Now, I guess Judy did clue me into one aspect of his writing, that is, his 12,000 word posts were written for posterity, if I understand it correctly. As I understand it, Robin decided to venture onto FFL as a result of an invitation (from Rick?) and as an exercise, a sort of meta therapeutic venturing forth in the form of this internet forum. I don't think he had really investigated this type of format before other than for a few months on the alt. blahdadeblah (can't remember the name) forum. Judy will know all this history. But I don't think he wrote what he did at FFL for posterity. This was
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
Do you not know what come-on means? Look it up. Stevie, you practically solicit putdowns with your non sequiturs and inability, or unwillingness, to say anything relevant. You have no interest in actual discussion. It's not possible to have an intelligent discussion with you. There are any number of things we could have talked about in this exchange, but you've ignored them all and just made (not-so) smart cracks. You make more than your share of putdowns and engage in more than your share of mind-reading (e.g., your last sentence), but none of your mind-reading has any basis; you're just shooting blanks. And you have no reason to think I've been anything but completely straightforward in this exchange. No, it doesn't give me pride to be FFL's RWC expert. Why on earth should it? I know him better than most people here and have read his posts closely because I found him very interesting. No credit to me in that regard, and why anyone should resent it, I can't imagine. As I said before, he's a complex guy with complex thought processes, and you have to tune in if you want to really get him. For me, that's been extremely rewarding, but he wasn't everyone's cup of tea, and that's fine, no reason he should have been. These are all your usual come ons, and of course, put downs. Prolonged discussions with you rarely result in any benefit, and often devolve into your mind reading abilities. But I guess it must give you pride to be the self appointed RWC expert. Something to hang your hat on. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Of course you're not going to bother to sort out the details of what I wrote. You're in too deep a hole to even see over the edge. Apparently his intent was not at all clear to you. His overall objective was neither to write posts for posterity, nor to set the record straight, or whatever other silly fantasies you may be entertaining. Ann and I have both explained to you what his intent actually was. If you believe Barry's version, you're a bigger tool than I thought. Oh, and no dodging by me in this discussion. It's you who've been dodging, as you do in this post. Judy, I'm gonna guess that you excelled in dodge ball as a grade schooler. I'm not going to bother to sort out the details of what you are saying here. I think the broad outlines of Robin's posts are pretty clear. Now within the broad outlines you can create any tale you like, but what he posted, the lengths of his posts, and his overall objectives, stand on their own. I'm not sayin they make sense. Hell No!. But other than that, the technical aspects and the intent I think are clear. BTW, they do have dodge ball leagues for adults. Whether or not they have one for seniors, I couldn't say. But I'd love to join one too. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Wait. You keep misquoting me after I've corrected you, and I'm dysfunctional? How does that work, again? And what makes you think I'm disputing the number of words? Not only can you not remember what I said a couple of days ago, you don't seem able to read what I wrote last night. As far as I'm aware, there wasn't anything Robin wanted to set straight. You made that up. And he never wrote a single post anywhere near as long as 12,000 words. What was 12,000 words, in this case, was the total of the four posts he linked to (I'm taking Barry's word for this, which may be foolish on my part) in his last post, which was only 313 words. Your response is, once again, a bunch of non sequiturs. I'm the only person to whom what made sense? And your next-to-last sentence makes no sense at all. Judy, take your dysfunctionality somewhere else. Whether it was 12,000 words or 5,000 words it defied any kind of logic or reason. You may be about the only person to whom it made sense. I am not sure why that would be. Perhaps it gave you some sense of closeness the Maharishi that never got in person. That's as good a theory as any. Fairfieldlife@..., authfriend@... wrote: I just told you what I said. Why are you still misquoting me? And I wasn't talking about anything but his last series of posts, his last exchange with Curtis, in any case, what Barry dishonestly called a 12,000-word rant. He did write some long posts, but no single post was anywhere near that long. He wrote his posts for many different reasons. A few you could say were to set the record straight when someone had misrepresented or misunderstood him, but by no means all or even most or even many. Stevie, you were bragging about having access to Classic search. Your memory is so poor, you really need to check what someone said before you write about it. We wouldn't still be talking about this if you did. I thought Judy said a few days ago, that the purpose of his extraordinarily long posts was to basically, set the record straight especially with
[FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
Excellent points. For most of us, it is just a chat room. A place to banter about. And so, it is sort of jarring when someone like Judy takes everything so seriously and personally. Like it squeezes most of the fun out of it. Of course you will never convince her of that. She views herself as the staunch upholder of truth and justice, and there is no battle too small for her to fight. Just like what she is going to say in response to this post. The internet age was made for her in some ways as it is easier to be friends with someone, or maintain an alliance when you can remain at arms length. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote: Barry does not seem to aspire to the kind of precision you enjoy. He seems mostly to rely on his writing skills and memory when posting on FFL. And we all know human memory is exceptionally pliable. He posts things he is interested in, occasionally replies to people, and there is a certain category of his posting that is designed to keep the rats running on their treadmill, a Pavlovian thing. So checking on Barry's claims is largely a waste of time as he is proffering opinions, not facts, and is stoking the campfire so he can bask in the heat generated. He has to deal with certain factual material if he is writing about science for clients. If there other places in his life for such concepts as facts and truth, it probably is not here on FFL. This place is for the insane; perhaps there are a few amateur sociologists and researchers hanging in here collecting data, but who might they be?
[FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
I wonder if wisdom will descend on Judy as it has on you taxius. I gather you are a few years her senior, but maybe not by too much. I guess realistically, it ain't gonna happen. But I enjoy your comments. Like, especially the short ones. (opsie, I hope that was alright to say) (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote: No it is not odd. I am old enough now that I just do not really care that much about what people say. Lying and deception drive whole populations to behave in certain ways, whether something is true or not does not mitigate the effects. We live the effect of untruth all day long. It's in our brains, our programming. Human misunderstandings, mistakes, 'deliberate' deceptions are a part of life. One will go crazy trying to right every one. I would prefer to think I have no standards at all rather than a double one. Everyone here on FFL has at one time or another been hypocritical one way or another; there are too many contradictions in life to avoid them all. Your crusade to end hypocrisy simply has failed 100%. Long live injustice! For if you wish to have justice alone, you will always be faced with its opposite. Comportment with truth has nothing to do with any of this dualistic engagement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: It's odd, isn't it, that most people here in this place for the insane nevertheless manage to get their facts straight most of the time and ground their opinions in those facts rather than in hallucinatory fantasies and deliberate distortions, especially regarding other FFLers. Doesn't mean they always get everything right, or that they're always fair, but they do make an effort. What I suggested Xeno check on, of course, was a fact, not an opinion: Did Robin make any demands in his final post, as Barry claims? It's pretty easy to tell; you just have to read the post in question (for which I provided a link). Xeno appears to think it's perfectly OK for Barry to tell outrageous falsehoods and deliver wildly distorted opinions not based on fact but on his own hostile fantasies. But Xeno went to some trouble to look up a quote from a post of Barry's that I had accidentally misidentified as being about Robin when it was about Ravi, and to make a post of his own carefully pointing out the mistake. What's wrong with this picture? Why does Xeno feel compelled to defend Barry's misstatements while ostentatiously pointing out one of my rare errors? Xeno, if he's honest with himself, knows Barry's portrayals of Robin, Ann, and me do not accord with the reality. It really isn't the case that one opinion has the same value as any other, not in the world most of us live in. And it most certainly is the case that lies and misrepresentations have the same value as facts and opinions based on facts. I would say Barry's memory is exceptionally pliable, all right, but on a scale of 1 to 10, that pliability is at least a 9, while that of most people here--even Xeno's--is quite a few points lower. What accounts for the difference? And why, pray tell, should Barry get a pass for exploiting that pliability--especially with regard to people he doesn't like--because he enjoys starting fires by saying things that aren't so and likes to bask in the heat? How is this acceptable behavior, to deliberately slander people? Xeno claims to live in a different world than the rest of us--one in which everyday values like honesty don't count--but he seems to want to participate in our world as well while importing his own value-free outlook in his commentaries with regard to the folks he sides with, and applying everyday values to those he doesn't like. That strikes me as pretty shoddy behavior. Such double standards are hypocritical, to say the least, in the world most of us here live in. Barry does not seem to aspire to the kind of precision you enjoy. He seems mostly to rely on his writing skills and memory when posting on FFL. And we all know human memory is exceptionally pliable. He posts things he is interested in, occasionally replies to people, and there is a certain category of his posting that is designed to keep the rats running on their treadmill, a Pavlovian thing. So checking on Barry's claims is largely a waste of time as he is proffering opinions, not facts, and is stoking the campfire so he can bask in the heat generated. He has to deal with certain factual material if he is writing about science for clients. If there other places in his life for such concepts as facts and truth, it probably is not here on FFL. This place is for the insane; perhaps there are a few amateur sociologists and researchers hanging in here collecting data, but who might they be?
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
You know what Judy. Your response here seems pretty balanced to me. Like it didn't have an inordinate amount of meanness. That's kind of nice. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Do you not know what come-on means? Look it up. Stevie, you practically solicit putdowns with your non sequiturs and inability, or unwillingness, to say anything relevant. You have no interest in actual discussion. It's not possible to have an intelligent discussion with you. There are any number of things we could have talked about in this exchange, but you've ignored them all and just made (not-so) smart cracks. You make more than your share of putdowns and engage in more than your share of mind-reading (e.g., your last sentence), but none of your mind-reading has any basis; you're just shooting blanks. And you have no reason to think I've been anything but completely straightforward in this exchange. No, it doesn't give me pride to be FFL's RWC expert. Why on earth should it? I know him better than most people here and have read his posts closely because I found him very interesting. No credit to me in that regard, and why anyone should resent it, I can't imagine. As I said before, he's a complex guy with complex thought processes, and you have to tune in if you want to really get him. For me, that's been extremely rewarding, but he wasn't everyone's cup of tea, and that's fine, no reason he should have been. These are all your usual come ons, and of course, put downs. Prolonged discussions with you rarely result in any benefit, and often devolve into your mind reading abilities. But I guess it must give you pride to be the self appointed RWC expert. Something to hang your hat on. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Of course you're not going to bother to sort out the details of what I wrote. You're in too deep a hole to even see over the edge. Apparently his intent was not at all clear to you. His overall objective was neither to write posts for posterity, nor to set the record straight, or whatever other silly fantasies you may be entertaining. Ann and I have both explained to you what his intent actually was. If you believe Barry's version, you're a bigger tool than I thought. Oh, and no dodging by me in this discussion. It's you who've been dodging, as you do in this post. Judy, I'm gonna guess that you excelled in dodge ball as a grade schooler. I'm not going to bother to sort out the details of what you are saying here. I think the broad outlines of Robin's posts are pretty clear. Now within the broad outlines you can create any tale you like, but what he posted, the lengths of his posts, and his overall objectives, stand on their own. I'm not sayin they make sense. Hell No!. But other than that, the technical aspects and the intent I think are clear. BTW, they do have dodge ball leagues for adults. Whether or not they have one for seniors, I couldn't say. But I'd love to join one too. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Wait. You keep misquoting me after I've corrected you, and I'm dysfunctional? How does that work, again? And what makes you think I'm disputing the number of words? Not only can you not remember what I said a couple of days ago, you don't seem able to read what I wrote last night. As far as I'm aware, there wasn't anything Robin wanted to set straight. You made that up. And he never wrote a single post anywhere near as long as 12,000 words. What was 12,000 words, in this case, was the total of the four posts he linked to (I'm taking Barry's word for this, which may be foolish on my part) in his last post, which was only 313 words. Your response is, once again, a bunch of non sequiturs. I'm the only person to whom what made sense? And your next-to-last sentence makes no sense at all. Judy, take your dysfunctionality somewhere else. Whether it was 12,000 words or 5,000 words it defied any kind of logic or reason. You may be about the only person to whom it made sense. I am not sure why that would be. Perhaps it gave you some sense of closeness the Maharishi that never got in person. That's as good a theory as any. Fairfieldlife@..., authfriend@... wrote: I just told you what I said. Why are you still misquoting me? And I wasn't talking about anything but his last series of posts, his last exchange with Curtis, in any case, what Barry dishonestly called a 12,000-word rant. He did write some long posts, but no single post was anywhere near that long. He wrote his posts for many different reasons. A few you could say were to set the record straight when someone had misrepresented or misunderstood him, but by no means all or even most or even many. Stevie, you were bragging about having access to Classic search. Your memory is so poor, you really need to check what someone said before you write about
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
On 2/12/2014 8:00 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: And so, it is sort of jarring when someone like Judy takes everything so seriously and personally. Nothing posted here should be taken seriously. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
I like to think of this place as if we are sitting around a table at Starbucks. First off, most folks at the table wouldn't get so wound up on assertions because they would know the asserter is just kidding them. And we would hope that before someone replied they didn't say, just a minute as they looked up something online on their phone or tablet. That would be a really bogged down conversation, hmm. :-D On 02/12/2014 07:39 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: Barry does not seem to aspire to the kind of precision you enjoy. He seems mostly to rely on his writing skills and memory when posting on FFL. And we all know human memory is exceptionally pliable. He posts things he is interested in, occasionally replies to people, and there is a certain category of his posting that is designed to keep the rats running on their treadmill, a Pavlovian thing. So checking on Barry's claims is largely a waste of time as he is proffering opinions, not facts, and is stoking the campfire so he can bask in the heat generated. He has to deal with certain factual material if he is writing about science for clients. If there other places in his life for such concepts as facts and truth, it probably is not here on FFL. This place is for the insane; perhaps there are a few amateur sociologists and researchers hanging in here collecting data, but who might they be?
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: I like to think of this place as if we are sitting around a table at Starbucks. First off, most folks at the table wouldn't get so wound up on assertions because they would know the asserter is just kidding them. And we would hope that before someone replied they didn't say, just a minute as they looked up something online on their phone or tablet. That would be a really bogged down conversation, hmm. :-D I would like to think if we were all sitting at Starbucks together we would have enough respect for each other that we would be willing to reveal enough of what is real and true about ourselves in a way that does not infringe, compromise or inappropriately offend others. It would also be nice to think that the parameters that bind us when we are together in person are not different from how we would conduct ourselves online. Many times I feel some take liberties via internet forums that they would not so readily adopt in person. Or, at least, I certainly hope they wouldn't adopt in 3D because some here need to learn some real manners. In the real world some people here would remain friendless and wouldn't be invited a second time to the gathering at Starbucks. On 02/12/2014 07:39 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... wrote: Barry does not seem to aspire to the kind of precision you enjoy. He seems mostly to rely on his writing skills and memory when posting on FFL. And we all know human memory is exceptionally pliable. He posts things he is interested in, occasionally replies to people, and there is a certain category of his posting that is designed to keep the rats running on their treadmill, a Pavlovian thing. So checking on Barry's claims is largely a waste of time as he is proffering opinions, not facts, and is stoking the campfire so he can bask in the heat generated. He has to deal with certain factual material if he is writing about science for clients. If there other places in his life for such concepts as facts and truth, it probably is not here on FFL. This place is for the insane; perhaps there are a few amateur sociologists and researchers hanging in here collecting data, but who might they be?
[FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
This post is a superb example of why I said it really sucks to be Barry. Either he believes the delusional crap he wrote, or he knows it's crap but stupidly expects others to believe it. I'm going to start with a particularly embarrassing Barry-goof. He writes, According to Judy, he told her he was 'near suicide' several times; does anyone suspect that he didn't tell that to anyone else because he perceived that as *her* weakness and samskara, and was 'tailoring' his spiel to her to make her feel 'special?' Barry, in a post of December 9, 2011: I don't think he was in any way faking the excesses of his early days on this forum, and how close he was to the ragged edge of insanity or suicide. IOW, Robin told us all right from the start that after his cult's collapse, he had been near suicide. So much for his not telling anybody else but tailoring his spiel in private to me to make me feel 'special.' The rest of this post of Barry's is similarly preposterous and wildly illogical. The idea that Robin gave different stories to Ann and me is ludicrous. He never told us anything different from what he said in his posts to everyone on FFL, and the public story he told about himself here was rock-solid consistent.(*) And it wasn't just a few emails. I was in near-constant communication with him starting at the end of December 2011 throughout his tenure here and beyond, including the periods when he wasn't posting. (Ann and I were in near-constant communication with each other as well. If he had told us different things, we'd have known it.) Pretty difficult for a person to fabricate in the moment and still be entirely consistent between two people privately and the membership of FFL publicly. No cult indoctrination/recruitment went on in his emails with Ann and me. What a stupid thing to propose. Robin had left his cult-leader days far behind (Ann herself had been the one to bust him publicly at the end of that period). And sorry, Barry, but it's entirely possible to have a genuine relationship with a person via email. However, Ann has been explicit that even with their emails and her personal experience with him 30 years ago, she only knows about 10 percent of him. I know somewhat more about the Robin of today because we exchanged more emails, but there's more of him to be known than any one person could fathom (with the possible exception of his best friend, who has been in constant live contact with him since his cult-leader days). Ann and I knew him better than the rest of the folks on FFL, but that's the case with anyone who has extensive email communication with another forum member. There are several FFL members with whom I've exchanged emails whom I know more about than the rest of FFL, and I suspect the same is true of Ann. Not a thing cultish about it. And neither Ann nor I would dream of saying only we really know him. Neither Ann nor I think of his beliefs and theories as oh-so-fabulous. We're both quite skeptical of many of them. Again, Barry makes the dumb mistake of confusing X says... with What X says is true. Barry can't even get Robin's name right. His middle name is Woodsworth, not Woolworth's (apostrophe s sic). I could go on, but this should be enough to clue in anyone here who's inclined to give credence to anything Barry says about Robin (or Ann or me, for that matter). Why is Barry so fanatically obsessed with Robin nine months after he left FFL for good? IMHO, it's because Barry realizes deep down that Robin is about 10 times the person Barry is: smarter, funnier, vastly more interesting and insightful than Barry could ever dream of being. And I'll do a little more speculating: I think Barry's friendship with the therapist who specialized in NPD was in fact in the context of a therapeutic relationship: the therapist was treating Barry for NPD (obviously unsuccessfully). Goodness knows this current post bears all the hallmarks. Talk about making it up as he goes along! (*) The one exception was the whole business about Robin having struck his students. Initially, Robin denied having done so, but the denial was Clintonesque. As he later said, he didn't deny the truth, he denied what he was accused of--having struck his students during seminars. He confessed at considerable length in January 2012 to having done so in private, residental gatherings early in the days of his cult, before he ever gave any seminars. Further, Ann (who is supposedly near-psychotically devoted to Robin) recalled one incident during a seminar in which a participant was apparently struck (LordKnows later confirmed this). Robin had genuinely forgotten the incident, blocked it from his mind because it was so painful. But he didn't contest Ann's recollection. I might also note that Robin's story of his cult days was unsparing in its self-denunciation of how badly he'd behaved and how many people he'd
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: This post is a superb example of why I said it really sucks to be Barry. Either he believes the delusional crap he wrote, or he knows it's crap but stupidly expects others to believe it. What on earth makes you believe that anyone CARES what you think -- about Robin, about them, or about anything else? I didn't even bother to read the rest of your drivel in this post, just as I never bother to read past the first few Message View words of any of your posts. I'd be willing to bet that I'm not the only person who feels this way. Both you and Ann have become mono-topical with regard to Robin. Few people ever really gave a shit about Robin anyway, and they *certainly* don't give a shit about your attempts at creating a revisionist history for him. Several people now -- meaning not just me -- have commented on the near-absolute lack of original posts from you. At least one has commented that this latest obsession of yours -- 112 posts in three days, *most* of them rehashing the same old-maid I know him better than you do fantasies about Robin -- is causing them to long for the old Posting Limits. Have you *really* got nothing to talk about except this dweeb who ran away in panic from this forum ten months ago? Do you *really* want to give people the impression that he is pretty much the *only* thing you can come up with to post about other than your obsession with me and Share and now Steve? That's what you're accomplishing. Just sayin'...
[FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: This post is a superb example of why I said it really sucks to be Barry. Either he believes the delusional crap he wrote, or he knows it's crap but stupidly expects others to believe it. I'm going to start with a particularly embarrassing Barry-goof. He writes, According to Judy, he told her he was 'near suicide' several times; does anyone suspect that he didn't tell that to anyone else because he perceived that as *her* weakness and samskara, and was 'tailoring' his spiel to her to make her feel 'special?' Barry, in a post of December 9, 2011: I don't think he was in any way faking the excesses of his early days on this forum, and how close he was to the ragged edge of insanity or suicide. IOW, Robin told us all right from the start that after his cult's collapse, he had been near suicide. So much for his not telling anybody else but tailoring his spiel in private to me to make me feel 'special.' The rest of this post of Barry's is similarly preposterous and wildly illogical. The idea that Robin gave different stories to Ann and me is ludicrous. He never told us anything different from what he said in his posts to everyone on FFL, and the public story he told about himself here was rock-solid consistent.(*) And it wasn't just a few emails. I was in near-constant communication with him starting at the end of December 2011 throughout his tenure here and beyond, including the periods when he wasn't posting. (Ann and I were in near-constant communication with each other as well. If he had told us different things, we'd have known it.) Pretty difficult for a person to fabricate in the moment and still be entirely consistent between two people privately and the membership of FFL publicly. No cult indoctrination/recruitment went on in his emails with Ann and me. What a stupid thing to propose. Robin had left his cult-leader days far behind (Ann herself had been the one to bust him publicly at the end of that period). And sorry, Barry, but it's entirely possible to have a genuine relationship with a person via email. However, Ann has been explicit that even with their emails and her personal experience with him 30 years ago, she only knows about 10 percent of him. I know somewhat more about the Robin of today because we exchanged more emails, but there's more of him to be known than any one person could fathom (with the possible exception of his best friend, who has been in constant live contact with him since his cult-leader days). Ann and I knew him better than the rest of the folks on FFL, but that's the case with anyone who has extensive email communication with another forum member. There are several FFL members with whom I've exchanged emails whom I know more about than the rest of FFL, and I suspect the same is true of Ann. Not a thing cultish about it. And neither Ann nor I would dream of saying only we really know him. Neither Ann nor I think of his beliefs and theories as oh-so-fabulous. We're both quite skeptical of many of them. Again, Barry makes the dumb mistake of confusing X says... with What X says is true. Barry can't even get Robin's name right. His middle name is Woodsworth, not Woolworth's (apostrophe s sic). I could go on, but this should be enough to clue in anyone here who's inclined to give credence to anything Barry says about Robin (or Ann or me, for that matter). Why is Barry so fanatically obsessed with Robin nine months after he left FFL for good? IMHO, it's because Barry realizes deep down that Robin is about 10 times the person Barry is: smarter, funnier, vastly more interesting and insightful than Barry could ever dream of being. And I'll do a little more speculating: I think Barry's friendship with the therapist who specialized in NPD was in fact in the context of a therapeutic relationship: the therapist was treating Barry for NPD (obviously unsuccessfully). Goodness knows this current post bears all the hallmarks. Talk about making it up as he goes along! (*) The one exception was the whole business about Robin having struck his students. Initially, Robin denied having done so, but the denial was Clintonesque. As he later said, he didn't deny the truth, he denied what he was accused of--having struck his students during seminars. He confessed at considerable length in January 2012 to having done so in private, residental gatherings early in the days of his cult, before he ever gave any seminars. Further, Ann (who is supposedly near-psychotically devoted to Robin) recalled one incident during a seminar in which a participant was apparently struck (LordKnows later confirmed this). Robin had genuinely forgotten the incident, blocked it from his mind because it was so painful. But he didn't contest Ann's recollection. I might also note that Robin's story of his cult days was unsparing in its
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
Oh, too bad, then you missed my catch of the huge blooper you made concerning Robin having been near suicide. Not to mention the others I identified. And sorry to tell you, I don't put the same value on original posts that you do. I'm much more interested in interaction than showing off. In any case, most of your original posts are like the ones last night and this morning, endless demonizations and dishonest characterizations and outright falsehoods about the people you don't like. I doubt many people are interested in reading those either, but as far as I'm concerned it's necessary to correct the record (especially given Buck's eminent scholars who are supposedly reading FFL). You don't like that. Tough, live with it. Or start dealing with reality instead of wallowing in obsessional, delusional fantasies. This post is a superb example of why I said it really sucks to be Barry. Either he believes the delusional crap he wrote, or he knows it's crap but stupidly expects others to believe it. What on earth makes you believe that anyone CARES what you think -- about Robin, about them, or about anything else? I didn't even bother to read the rest of your drivel in this post, just as I never bother to read past the first few Message View words of any of your posts. I'd be willing to bet that I'm not the only person who feels this way. Both you and Ann have become mono-topical with regard to Robin. Few people ever really gave a shit about Robin anyway, and they *certainly* don't give a shit about your attempts at creating a revisionist history for him. Several people now -- meaning not just me -- have commented on the near-absolute lack of original posts from you. At least one has commented that this latest obsession of yours -- 112 posts in three days, *most* of them rehashing the same old-maid I know him better than you do fantasies about Robin -- is causing them to long for the old Posting Limits. Have you *really* got nothing to talk about except this dweeb who ran away in panic from this forum ten months ago? Do you *really* want to give people the impression that he is pretty much the *only* thing you can come up with to post about other than your obsession with me and Share and now Steve? That's what you're accomplishing. Just sayin'...
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
I'm chuckling at Barry's posturing again because I just happened to look at my post to Seraphita again, and realized that I'd made my comment about Robin having been near suicide down in the second paragraph, well below the first few 'Message View' words of the post. Obviously Barry does care what I think, and obviously he does read my posts, his repeated claims to the contrary notwithstanding. Oopsie! Put that on top of his humiliating gaffe about Robin supposedly having told me but no one else about being suicidal when Barry and everyone else who read Robin's posts knew about it from the beginning of Robin's participation here. What on earth makes Barry think anyone believes what he says any more? What on earth makes you believe that anyone CARES what you think -- about Robin, about them, or about anything else? I didn't even bother to read the rest of your drivel in this post, just as I never bother to read past the first few Message View words of any of your posts.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: I was raised to not let anyone bully me. So in the late 1960s when there were all kinds of cult leader types I just blew them off. When Robin showed up here you may recall I told him in a message to break up his wall of words as I felt that people might be interested in what he had to say. To me a wall of words shows worse than misspellings that the writer is ignorant or poorly educated. It's not necessarily an education thang. Some people are simply not aware of the short attention spans of Internet- and soundbyte-impaired readers these days. They find it almost impossible to read a Wall Of Words. Therefore, if you wish to communicate, you use shorter paragraphs. However, according to my friend the psychiatrist who is an expert on Narcissistic Personality Disorder, writing in Wall Of Words style -- especially when you see it happening in someone who has been well educated -- is one of the key markers they look for when diagnosing NPD. Wall Of Words writers don't CARE if they're communicating, and neither do NPD writers. Then at one point he went off on one of my posts and finished by saying now tell me you love me. I thought wha...? Rather than berate such cult leader like behavior I treated it like a joke and told him how funny he was. That seemed to throw him off his game. :-D I feel sorry for someone who can't shed the need to feel important. There may indeed be no cure for someone with severe NPD. When someone dares order me around in person I just stare at them. That really fucks them up. We're both lucky in having avoided the Boss Syndrome for much of our lives. There is a certain freedom in being a consultant that helps when dealing with life's Petty Tyrants. My friend the shrink was familiar with the works of Carlos Castaneda, and he referred to Carlos' descriptions of the Petty Tyrant often when teaching me about NPD. On 02/11/2014 12:09 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: I'm glad I went back to check out the remaining episodes of season one of The Following on Netflix. I had bailed after episode three because it seemed to formulaic. Perhaps Bacon was thinking that too as the storylines improved over the remainder of the season. But now I'm caught up on the first three episodes of season two they are pushing the envelope farther. */Glad to hear it...I think it's an interesting series. Naturally, given the three-year tutelage I spent talking with my psychiatrist friend in Santa Fe who used to specialize in NPD (before he gave it up, experience having taught him that the disorder was untreatable), I think the series kinda nails it. Also naturally, I see some strong parallels between the TV show and what's going on lately on Fairfield Life. My friend understood immediately my interest in his former specialty, and spend considerable time talking with me and giving me textbooks to read about NPD, so that we could discuss my particular interest -- NPD and how it relates to the spiritual teacher or faux spiritual teacher. They were great discussions, and I learned much from them. Now, of course, the Joe Carroll character in The Following is not a one-to-one match for Robin Carlsen (or Rama, or any of the other NPD-impaired teachers we discussed). Joe is a true psychopath, one who has allowed such free rein to his NPD that he's become a mass murderer. But it's all three of their *tactics* when dealing with their followers that interests me, and in which I see a strong parallel. The person with NPD doesn't *have* a fixed history or story. He or she *makes it up as they go along*. They *tailor* what they say to what the follower or prospective follower wants to hear, telling them things that they can't tell anyone else, making them feel special, as if no one really understands them the way that the person being talked or written to does. Many people -- desperate for attention and specialness -- fall for this routine, and actually *believe* the stories being told to them. But none of them are true. They're just tactics to get -- and keep -- another person in their fold and on the hook. Now that it's finally been revealed that Robin conducted his cult indoctrination/recruitment number not only in public on FFL but individually (via private email), isn't it easier to understand Judy and Ann's near-psychotic devotion to him? Chances are in each of those emails he tailored what he said to each of them differently, playing off of each of their weaknesses and needs to make them feel special, and thus cause them to develop an allegiance with him. According to Judy, he told her he was near suicide several times; does anyone suspect that he didn't tell that to anyone else because he perceived that as *her* weakness and samskara, and was tailoring his spiel to her to make her
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
On 02/11/2014 09:26 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: I was raised to not let anyone bully me. So in the late 1960s when there were all kinds of cult leader types I just blew them off. When Robin showed up here you may recall I told him in a message to break up his wall of words as I felt that people might be interested in what he had to say. To me a wall of words shows worse than misspellings that the writer is ignorant or poorly educated. */It's not necessarily an education thang. Some people are simply not aware of the short attention spans of Internet- and soundbyte-impaired readers these days. They find it almost impossible to read a Wall Of Words. Therefore, if you wish to communicate, you use shorter paragraphs. However, according to my friend the psychiatrist who is an expert on Narcissistic Personality Disorder, writing in Wall Of Words style -- especially when you see it happening in someone who has been well educated -- is one of the key markers they look for when diagnosing NPD. Wall Of Words writers don't CARE if they're communicating, and neither do NPD writers. /* Breaking distinctly different ideas into separate paragraphs is just considered good grammar. Sadly, many of us grew up with shitty English teachers who made mastering grammar difficult. When I was in the 9th grade we finally had a decent English who decided to teach us country bumpkins how to really write teaching us grammar, metaphors, allegories, etc and making the subjects fun. Then at one point he went off on one of my posts and finished by saying now tell me you love me. I thought wha...? Rather than berate such cult leader like behavior I treated it like a joke and told him how funny he was. That seemed to throw him off his game. :-D I feel sorry for someone who can't shed the need to feel important. There may indeed be no cure for someone with severe NPD. When someone dares order me around in person I just stare at them. That really fucks them up. */We're both lucky in having avoided the Boss Syndrome for much of our lives. There is a certain freedom in being a consultant that helps when dealing with life's Petty Tyrants. My friend the shrink was familiar with the works of Carlos Castaneda, and he referred to Carlos' descriptions of the Petty Tyrant often when teaching me about NPD. /* So far I haven't been arrested and yes I do stand up to cops. I think we are seeing the rescue the puppy syndrome here. A bunch of women who thought they could help Robin. He seemed to be beyond help or not care. Or maybe just accepted his situation (like Sam Vakim). On 02/11/2014 12:09 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: I'm glad I went back to check out the remaining episodes of season one of The Following on Netflix. I had bailed after episode three because it seemed to formulaic. Perhaps Bacon was thinking that too as the storylines improved over the remainder of the season. But now I'm caught up on the first three episodes of season two they are pushing the envelope farther. */Glad to hear it...I think it's an interesting series. Naturally, given the three-year tutelage I spent talking with my psychiatrist friend in Santa Fe who used to specialize in NPD (before he gave it up, experience having taught him that the disorder was untreatable), I think the series kinda nails it. Also naturally, I see some strong parallels between the TV show and what's going on lately on Fairfield Life. My friend understood immediately my interest in his former specialty, and spend considerable time talking with me and giving me textbooks to read about NPD, so that we could discuss my particular interest -- NPD and how it relates to the spiritual teacher or faux spiritual teacher. They were great discussions, and I learned much from them. Now, of course, the Joe Carroll character in The Following is not a one-to-one match for Robin Carlsen (or Rama, or any of the other NPD-impaired teachers we discussed). Joe is a true psychopath, one who has allowed such free rein to his NPD that he's become a mass murderer. But it's all three of their *tactics* when dealing with their followers that interests me, and in which I see a strong parallel. The person with NPD doesn't *have* a fixed history or story. He or she *makes it up as they go along*. They *tailor* what they say to what the follower or prospective follower wants to hear, telling them things that they can't tell anyone else, making them feel special, as if no one really understands them the way that the person being talked or written to does. Many people -- desperate for attention and specialness -- fall for this routine, and actually *believe* the stories being told to them. But none of them are true. They're just tactics to get -- and keep -- another
[FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
That December 9, 2011 post by Barry is discussing suicide in relation to Ravi, not Robin. Robin, as maskedzebra, was also a part of the thread. My comment here is only in relation to this one item in this post. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: This post is a superb example of why I said it really sucks to be Barry. Either he believes the delusional crap he wrote, or he knows it's crap but stupidly expects others to believe it. I'm going to start with a particularly embarrassing Barry-goof. He writes, According to Judy, he told her he was 'near suicide' several times; does anyone suspect that he didn't tell that to anyone else because he perceived that as *her* weakness and samskara, and was 'tailoring' his spiel to her to make her feel 'special?' Barry, in a post of December 9, 2011: I don't think he was in any way faking the excesses of his early days on this forum, and how close he was to the ragged edge of insanity or suicide. IOW, Robin told us all right from the start that after his cult's collapse, he had been near suicide. So much for his not telling anybody else but tailoring his spiel in private to me to make me feel 'special.' The rest of this post of Barry's is similarly preposterous and wildly illogical. The idea that Robin gave different stories to Ann and me is ludicrous. He never told us anything different from what he said in his posts to everyone on FFL, and the public story he told about himself here was rock-solid consistent.(*) And it wasn't just a few emails. I was in near-constant communication with him starting at the end of December 2011 throughout his tenure here and beyond, including the periods when he wasn't posting. (Ann and I were in near-constant communication with each other as well. If he had told us different things, we'd have known it.) Pretty difficult for a person to fabricate in the moment and still be entirely consistent between two people privately and the membership of FFL publicly. No cult indoctrination/recruitment went on in his emails with Ann and me. What a stupid thing to propose. Robin had left his cult-leader days far behind (Ann herself had been the one to bust him publicly at the end of that period). And sorry, Barry, but it's entirely possible to have a genuine relationship with a person via email. However, Ann has been explicit that even with their emails and her personal experience with him 30 years ago, she only knows about 10 percent of him. I know somewhat more about the Robin of today because we exchanged more emails, but there's more of him to be known than any one person could fathom (with the possible exception of his best friend, who has been in constant live contact with him since his cult-leader days). Ann and I knew him better than the rest of the folks on FFL, but that's the case with anyone who has extensive email communication with another forum member. There are several FFL members with whom I've exchanged emails whom I know more about than the rest of FFL, and I suspect the same is true of Ann. Not a thing cultish about it. And neither Ann nor I would dream of saying only we really know him. Neither Ann nor I think of his beliefs and theories as oh-so-fabulous. We're both quite skeptical of many of them. Again, Barry makes the dumb mistake of confusing X says... with What X says is true. Barry can't even get Robin's name right. His middle name is Woodsworth, not Woolworth's (apostrophe s sic). I could go on, but this should be enough to clue in anyone here who's inclined to give credence to anything Barry says about Robin (or Ann or me, for that matter). Why is Barry so fanatically obsessed with Robin nine months after he left FFL for good? IMHO, it's because Barry realizes deep down that Robin is about 10 times the person Barry is: smarter, funnier, vastly more interesting and insightful than Barry could ever dream of being. And I'll do a little more speculating: I think Barry's friendship with the therapist who specialized in NPD was in fact in the context of a therapeutic relationship: the therapist was treating Barry for NPD (obviously unsuccessfully). Goodness knows this current post bears all the hallmarks. Talk about making it up as he goes along! (*) The one exception was the whole business about Robin having struck his students. Initially, Robin denied having done so, but the denial was Clintonesque. As he later said, he didn't deny the truth, he denied what he was accused of--having struck his students during seminars. He confessed at considerable length in January 2012 to having done so in private, residental gatherings early in the days of his cult, before he ever gave any seminars. Further, Ann (who is supposedly near-psychotically devoted to Robin) recalled one incident during a seminar in which a participant was apparently struck (LordKnows later confirmed this). Robin had
[FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
That is correct. My bad, and my most humble apologies to Barry. I only read the one paragraph, and since Barry demonizes both Ravi and Robin in very similar terms, I assumed he was referring to Robin. However, my distinct recollection is that in at least one of Robin's posts he either mentioned or implied very strongly that he had considered suicide. He didn't use that term, but that isn't the only way to convey the idea. I know that when he mentioned it to me privately, it wasn't anything I was learning for the first time. And in fact, if I had thought it was only a private confidence, I would never have mentioned it publicly. Now I wonder whether Xeno wants to address Barry's ooopsie! about never reading my posts. In fact, while I'm grateful to Xeno for finding my mistake, I'm wondering whether he ever checks up on Barry's claims. I'm guessing it's only mine he checks out. That December 9, 2011 post by Barry is discussing suicide in relation to Ravi, not Robin. Robin, as maskedzebra, was also a part of the thread. My comment here is only in relation to this one item in this post. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: This post is a superb example of why I said it really sucks to be Barry. Either he believes the delusional crap he wrote, or he knows it's crap but stupidly expects others to believe it. I'm going to start with a particularly embarrassing Barry-goof. He writes, According to Judy, he told her he was 'near suicide' several times; does anyone suspect that he didn't tell that to anyone else because he perceived that as *her* weakness and samskara, and was 'tailoring' his spiel to her to make her feel 'special?' Barry, in a post of December 9, 2011: I don't think he was in any way faking the excesses of his early days on this forum, and how close he was to the ragged edge of insanity or suicide. IOW, Robin told us all right from the start that after his cult's collapse, he had been near suicide. So much for his not telling anybody else but tailoring his spiel in private to me to make me feel 'special.' The rest of this post of Barry's is similarly preposterous and wildly illogical. The idea that Robin gave different stories to Ann and me is ludicrous. He never told us anything different from what he said in his posts to everyone on FFL, and the public story he told about himself here was rock-solid consistent.(*) And it wasn't just a few emails. I was in near-constant communication with him starting at the end of December 2011 throughout his tenure here and beyond, including the periods when he wasn't posting. (Ann and I were in near-constant communication with each other as well. If he had told us different things, we'd have known it.) Pretty difficult for a person to fabricate in the moment and still be entirely consistent between two people privately and the membership of FFL publicly. No cult indoctrination/recruitment went on in his emails with Ann and me. What a stupid thing to propose. Robin had left his cult-leader days far behind (Ann herself had been the one to bust him publicly at the end of that period). And sorry, Barry, but it's entirely possible to have a genuine relationship with a person via email. However, Ann has been explicit that even with their emails and her personal experience with him 30 years ago, she only knows about 10 percent of him. I know somewhat more about the Robin of today because we exchanged more emails, but there's more of him to be known than any one person could fathom (with the possible exception of his best friend, who has been in constant live contact with him since his cult-leader days). Ann and I knew him better than the rest of the folks on FFL, but that's the case with anyone who has extensive email communication with another forum member. There are several FFL members with whom I've exchanged emails whom I know more about than the rest of FFL, and I suspect the same is true of Ann. Not a thing cultish about it. And neither Ann nor I would dream of saying only we really know him. Neither Ann nor I think of his beliefs and theories as oh-so-fabulous. We're both quite skeptical of many of them. Again, Barry makes the dumb mistake of confusing X says... with What X says is true. Barry can't even get Robin's name right. His middle name is Woodsworth, not Woolworth's (apostrophe s sic). I could go on, but this should be enough to clue in anyone here who's inclined to give credence to anything Barry says about Robin (or Ann or me, for that matter). Why is Barry so fanatically obsessed with Robin nine months after he left FFL for good? IMHO, it's because Barry realizes deep down that Robin is about 10 times the person Barry is: smarter, funnier, vastly more interesting and insightful than Barry could ever dream of being. And I'll do a little more speculating: I think Barry's friendship with the therapist
[FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: That is correct. My bad, and my most humble apologies to Barry. I only read the one paragraph, and since Barry demonizes both Ravi and Robin in very similar terms, I assumed he was referring to Robin. In their wildest dreams can anyone imagine Barry ever, ever, ever saying this to Judy? Nope, none of you can. However, my distinct recollection is that in at least one of Robin's posts he either mentioned or implied very strongly that he had considered suicide. He didn't use that term, but that isn't the only way to convey the idea. I know that when he mentioned it to me privately, it wasn't anything I was learning for the first time. And in fact, if I had thought it was only a private confidence, I would never have mentioned it publicly. Now I wonder whether Xeno wants to address Barry's ooopsie! about never reading my posts. In fact, while I'm grateful to Xeno for finding my mistake, I'm wondering whether he ever checks up on Barry's claims. I'm guessing it's only mine he checks out. That December 9, 2011 post by Barry is discussing suicide in relation to Ravi, not Robin. Robin, as maskedzebra, was also a part of the thread. My comment here is only in relation to this one item in this post. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: This post is a superb example of why I said it really sucks to be Barry. Either he believes the delusional crap he wrote, or he knows it's crap but stupidly expects others to believe it. I'm going to start with a particularly embarrassing Barry-goof. He writes, According to Judy, he told her he was 'near suicide' several times; does anyone suspect that he didn't tell that to anyone else because he perceived that as *her* weakness and samskara, and was 'tailoring' his spiel to her to make her feel 'special?' Barry, in a post of December 9, 2011: I don't think he was in any way faking the excesses of his early days on this forum, and how close he was to the ragged edge of insanity or suicide. IOW, Robin told us all right from the start that after his cult's collapse, he had been near suicide. So much for his not telling anybody else but tailoring his spiel in private to me to make me feel 'special.' The rest of this post of Barry's is similarly preposterous and wildly illogical. The idea that Robin gave different stories to Ann and me is ludicrous. He never told us anything different from what he said in his posts to everyone on FFL, and the public story he told about himself here was rock-solid consistent.(*) And it wasn't just a few emails. I was in near-constant communication with him starting at the end of December 2011 throughout his tenure here and beyond, including the periods when he wasn't posting. (Ann and I were in near-constant communication with each other as well. If he had told us different things, we'd have known it.) Pretty difficult for a person to fabricate in the moment and still be entirely consistent between two people privately and the membership of FFL publicly. No cult indoctrination/recruitment went on in his emails with Ann and me. What a stupid thing to propose. Robin had left his cult-leader days far behind (Ann herself had been the one to bust him publicly at the end of that period). And sorry, Barry, but it's entirely possible to have a genuine relationship with a person via email. However, Ann has been explicit that even with their emails and her personal experience with him 30 years ago, she only knows about 10 percent of him. I know somewhat more about the Robin of today because we exchanged more emails, but there's more of him to be known than any one person could fathom (with the possible exception of his best friend, who has been in constant live contact with him since his cult-leader days). Ann and I knew him better than the rest of the folks on FFL, but that's the case with anyone who has extensive email communication with another forum member. There are several FFL members with whom I've exchanged emails whom I know more about than the rest of FFL, and I suspect the same is true of Ann. Not a thing cultish about it. And neither Ann nor I would dream of saying only we really know him. Neither Ann nor I think of his beliefs and theories as oh-so-fabulous. We're both quite skeptical of many of them. Again, Barry makes the dumb mistake of confusing X says... with What X says is true. Barry can't even get Robin's name right. His middle name is Woodsworth, not Woolworth's (apostrophe s sic). I could go on, but this should be enough to clue in anyone here who's inclined to give credence to anything Barry says about Robin (or Ann or me, for that matter). Why is Barry so fanatically obsessed with Robin nine months after he left FFL for good? IMHO, it's because Barry realizes deep down that Robin is about 10 times the person Barry is:
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
I admit, I found it awfully strange that when Robin first came on board he had that wall of words manner of writing. It seemed like a rather large blind spot on his part, since it made what he wrote almost unreadable. And I remember Barry 2 speaking up, and then Robin started breaking things into paragraphs. Now, I guess Judy did clue me into one aspect of his writing, that is, his 12,000 word posts were written for posterity, if I understand it correctly. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: I was raised to not let anyone bully me. So in the late 1960s when there were all kinds of cult leader types I just blew them off. When Robin showed up here you may recall I told him in a message to break up his wall of words as I felt that people might be interested in what he had to say. To me a wall of words shows worse than misspellings that the writer is ignorant or poorly educated. It's not necessarily an education thang. Some people are simply not aware of the short attention spans of Internet- and soundbyte-impaired readers these days. They find it almost impossible to read a Wall Of Words. Therefore, if you wish to communicate, you use shorter paragraphs. However, according to my friend the psychiatrist who is an expert on Narcissistic Personality Disorder, writing in Wall Of Words style -- especially when you see it happening in someone who has been well educated -- is one of the key markers they look for when diagnosing NPD. Wall Of Words writers don't CARE if they're communicating, and neither do NPD writers. Then at one point he went off on one of my posts and finished by saying now tell me you love me. I thought wha...? Rather than berate such cult leader like behavior I treated it like a joke and told him how funny he was. That seemed to throw him off his game. :-D I feel sorry for someone who can't shed the need to feel important. There may indeed be no cure for someone with severe NPD. When someone dares order me around in person I just stare at them. That really fucks them up. We're both lucky in having avoided the Boss Syndrome for much of our lives. There is a certain freedom in being a consultant that helps when dealing with life's Petty Tyrants. My friend the shrink was familiar with the works of Carlos Castaneda, and he referred to Carlos' descriptions of the Petty Tyrant often when teaching me about NPD. On 02/11/2014 12:09 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: I'm glad I went back to check out the remaining episodes of season one of The Following on Netflix. I had bailed after episode three because it seemed to formulaic. Perhaps Bacon was thinking that too as the storylines improved over the remainder of the season. But now I'm caught up on the first three episodes of season two they are pushing the envelope farther. */Glad to hear it...I think it's an interesting series. Naturally, given the three-year tutelage I spent talking with my psychiatrist friend in Santa Fe who used to specialize in NPD (before he gave it up, experience having taught him that the disorder was untreatable), I think the series kinda nails it. Also naturally, I see some strong parallels between the TV show and what's going on lately on Fairfield Life. My friend understood immediately my interest in his former specialty, and spend considerable time talking with me and giving me textbooks to read about NPD, so that we could discuss my particular interest -- NPD and how it relates to the spiritual teacher or faux spiritual teacher. They were great discussions, and I learned much from them. Now, of course, the Joe Carroll character in The Following is not a one-to-one match for Robin Carlsen (or Rama, or any of the other NPD-impaired teachers we discussed). Joe is a true psychopath, one who has allowed such free rein to his NPD that he's become a mass murderer. But it's all three of their *tactics* when dealing with their followers that interests me, and in which I see a strong parallel. The person with NPD doesn't *have* a fixed history or story. He or she *makes it up as they go along*. They *tailor* what they say to what the follower or prospective follower wants to hear, telling them things that they can't tell anyone else, making them feel special, as if no one really understands them the way that the person being talked or written to does. Many people -- desperate for attention and specialness -- fall for this routine, and actually *believe* the stories being told to them. But none of them are true. They're just tactics to get -- and keep -- another person in their fold and on the hook. Now that it's finally been revealed that Robin conducted his cult indoctrination/recruitment number not only in public on FFL
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote: I admit, I found it awfully strange that when Robin first came on board he had that wall of words manner of writing. It seemed like a rather large blind spot on his part, since it made what he wrote almost unreadable. And I remember Barry 2 speaking up, and then Robin started breaking things into paragraphs. Now, I guess Judy did clue me into one aspect of his writing, that is, his 12,000 word posts were written for posterity, if I understand it correctly. As I understand it, Robin decided to venture onto FFL as a result of an invitation (from Rick?) and as an exercise, a sort of meta therapeutic venturing forth in the form of this internet forum. I don't think he had really investigated this type of format before other than for a few months on the alt. blahdadeblah (can't remember the name) forum. Judy will know all this history. But I don't think he wrote what he did at FFL for posterity. This was pretty much an exercise for his own benefit. At least that is how I remember him talking about it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: I was raised to not let anyone bully me. So in the late 1960s when there were all kinds of cult leader types I just blew them off. When Robin showed up here you may recall I told him in a message to break up his wall of words as I felt that people might be interested in what he had to say. To me a wall of words shows worse than misspellings that the writer is ignorant or poorly educated. It's not necessarily an education thang. Some people are simply not aware of the short attention spans of Internet- and soundbyte-impaired readers these days. They find it almost impossible to read a Wall Of Words. Therefore, if you wish to communicate, you use shorter paragraphs. However, according to my friend the psychiatrist who is an expert on Narcissistic Personality Disorder, writing in Wall Of Words style -- especially when you see it happening in someone who has been well educated -- is one of the key markers they look for when diagnosing NPD. Wall Of Words writers don't CARE if they're communicating, and neither do NPD writers. Then at one point he went off on one of my posts and finished by saying now tell me you love me. I thought wha...? Rather than berate such cult leader like behavior I treated it like a joke and told him how funny he was. That seemed to throw him off his game. :-D I feel sorry for someone who can't shed the need to feel important. There may indeed be no cure for someone with severe NPD. When someone dares order me around in person I just stare at them. That really fucks them up. We're both lucky in having avoided the Boss Syndrome for much of our lives. There is a certain freedom in being a consultant that helps when dealing with life's Petty Tyrants. My friend the shrink was familiar with the works of Carlos Castaneda, and he referred to Carlos' descriptions of the Petty Tyrant often when teaching me about NPD. On 02/11/2014 12:09 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: I'm glad I went back to check out the remaining episodes of season one of The Following on Netflix. I had bailed after episode three because it seemed to formulaic. Perhaps Bacon was thinking that too as the storylines improved over the remainder of the season. But now I'm caught up on the first three episodes of season two they are pushing the envelope farther. */Glad to hear it...I think it's an interesting series. Naturally, given the three-year tutelage I spent talking with my psychiatrist friend in Santa Fe who used to specialize in NPD (before he gave it up, experience having taught him that the disorder was untreatable), I think the series kinda nails it. Also naturally, I see some strong parallels between the TV show and what's going on lately on Fairfield Life. My friend understood immediately my interest in his former specialty, and spend considerable time talking with me and giving me textbooks to read about NPD, so that we could discuss my particular interest -- NPD and how it relates to the spiritual teacher or faux spiritual teacher. They were great discussions, and I learned much from them. Now, of course, the Joe Carroll character in The Following is not a one-to-one match for Robin Carlsen (or Rama, or any of the other NPD-impaired teachers we discussed). Joe is a true psychopath, one who has allowed such free rein to his NPD that he's become a mass murderer. But it's all three of their *tactics* when dealing with their followers that interests me, and in which I see a strong parallel. The person with NPD doesn't *have* a fixed history or story. He or she *makes it up as they go along*. They *tailor* what they say to what
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
I believe I said he wanted it (his final response to his last exchange with Curtis) on the record, not that he was writing it for posterity. Charming bit of anti-Robin spin, Stevie-boy. You also apparently missed what I said about the 12,000 words including Curtis's contributions to the exchange. Barry doesn't like to make such fine distinctions, so he called it a 12,000-word rant, as if Robin had written the whole thing. Or maybe you just decided to include Barry's anti-Robin spin along with your own. I admit, I found it awfully strange that when Robin first came on board he had that wall of words manner of writing. It seemed like a rather large blind spot on his part, since it made what he wrote almost unreadable. And I remember Barry 2 speaking up, and then Robin started breaking things into paragraphs. Now, I guess Judy did clue me into one aspect of his writing, that is, his 12,000 word posts were written for posterity, if I understand it correctly.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
Yes, Rick invited him. He'd been posting comments on John Knapp's (now Mike Doughney's) TM-Free blog before that. And of course I never said he was writing for posterity. And yes, that's my understanding, that he considered it an exercise for his own benefit, to interact with other TMers and former TMers after his 25 years of seclusion. He made that clear in his posts. Gutsy move, knowing many of the participants would be aware of his disastrous past. As I understand it, Robin decided to venture onto FFL as a result of an invitation (from Rick?) and as an exercise, a sort of meta therapeutic venturing forth in the form of this internet forum. I don't think he had really investigated this type of format before other than for a few months on the alt. blahdadeblah (can't remember the name) forum. Judy will know all this history. But I don't think he wrote what he did at FFL for posterity. This was pretty much an exercise for his own benefit. At least that is how I remember him talking about it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
You live in a weird world Judy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: I believe I said he wanted it (his final response to his last exchange with Curtis) on the record, not that he was writing it for posterity. Charming bit of anti-Robin spin, Stevie-boy. You also apparently missed what I said about the 12,000 words including Curtis's contributions to the exchange. Barry doesn't like to make such fine distinctions, so he called it a 12,000-word rant, as if Robin had written the whole thing. Or maybe you just decided to include Barry's anti-Robin spin along with your own. I admit, I found it awfully strange that when Robin first came on board he had that wall of words manner of writing. It seemed like a rather large blind spot on his part, since it made what he wrote almost unreadable. And I remember Barry 2 speaking up, and then Robin started breaking things into paragraphs. Now, I guess Judy did clue me into one aspect of his writing, that is, his 12,000 word posts were written for posterity, if I understand it correctly.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
I thought Judy said a few days ago, that the purpose of his extraordinarily long posts was to basically, set the record straight especially with regard to this interactions with Curtis. And yes, I can't believe we're still talking about this. On the other hand, I kind of wish that little rascal would show up again. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote: I admit, I found it awfully strange that when Robin first came on board he had that wall of words manner of writing. It seemed like a rather large blind spot on his part, since it made what he wrote almost unreadable. And I remember Barry 2 speaking up, and then Robin started breaking things into paragraphs. Now, I guess Judy did clue me into one aspect of his writing, that is, his 12,000 word posts were written for posterity, if I understand it correctly. As I understand it, Robin decided to venture onto FFL as a result of an invitation (from Rick?) and as an exercise, a sort of meta therapeutic venturing forth in the form of this internet forum. I don't think he had really investigated this type of format before other than for a few months on the alt. blahdadeblah (can't remember the name) forum. Judy will know all this history. But I don't think he wrote what he did at FFL for posterity. This was pretty much an exercise for his own benefit. At least that is how I remember him talking about it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: I was raised to not let anyone bully me. So in the late 1960s when there were all kinds of cult leader types I just blew them off. When Robin showed up here you may recall I told him in a message to break up his wall of words as I felt that people might be interested in what he had to say. To me a wall of words shows worse than misspellings that the writer is ignorant or poorly educated. It's not necessarily an education thang. Some people are simply not aware of the short attention spans of Internet- and soundbyte-impaired readers these days. They find it almost impossible to read a Wall Of Words. Therefore, if you wish to communicate, you use shorter paragraphs. However, according to my friend the psychiatrist who is an expert on Narcissistic Personality Disorder, writing in Wall Of Words style -- especially when you see it happening in someone who has been well educated -- is one of the key markers they look for when diagnosing NPD. Wall Of Words writers don't CARE if they're communicating, and neither do NPD writers. Then at one point he went off on one of my posts and finished by saying now tell me you love me. I thought wha...? Rather than berate such cult leader like behavior I treated it like a joke and told him how funny he was. That seemed to throw him off his game. :-D I feel sorry for someone who can't shed the need to feel important. There may indeed be no cure for someone with severe NPD. When someone dares order me around in person I just stare at them. That really fucks them up. We're both lucky in having avoided the Boss Syndrome for much of our lives. There is a certain freedom in being a consultant that helps when dealing with life's Petty Tyrants. My friend the shrink was familiar with the works of Carlos Castaneda, and he referred to Carlos' descriptions of the Petty Tyrant often when teaching me about NPD. On 02/11/2014 12:09 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: I'm glad I went back to check out the remaining episodes of season one of The Following on Netflix. I had bailed after episode three because it seemed to formulaic. Perhaps Bacon was thinking that too as the storylines improved over the remainder of the season. But now I'm caught up on the first three episodes of season two they are pushing the envelope farther. */Glad to hear it...I think it's an interesting series. Naturally, given the three-year tutelage I spent talking with my psychiatrist friend in Santa Fe who used to specialize in NPD (before he gave it up, experience having taught him that the disorder was untreatable), I think the series kinda nails it. Also naturally, I see some strong parallels between the TV show and what's going on lately on Fairfield Life. My friend understood immediately my interest in his former specialty, and spend considerable time talking with me and giving me textbooks to read about NPD, so that we could discuss my particular interest -- NPD and how it relates to the spiritual teacher or faux spiritual teacher. They were great discussions, and I learned much from them. Now, of course, the Joe Carroll character in The Following is not a one-to-one match for Robin Carlsen (or Rama, or any of the other NPD-impaired teachers we
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Yes, Rick invited him. He'd been posting comments on John Knapp's (now Mike Doughney's) TM-Free blog before that. And of course I never said he was writing for posterity. And yes, that's my understanding, that he considered it an exercise for his own benefit, to interact with other TMers and former TMers after his 25 years of seclusion. He made that clear in his posts. Gutsy move, knowing many of the participants would be aware of his disastrous past. Yuppers, you got that right. I always told him to stop posting here. I felt that it wasn't healthy or useful for him. I told him that some of the participants were vertitable hyenas. But he kept asserting it was something he chose to do, as a sort of next step in his growth, his development. And you know what? I give him full marks for this. FFL is not the place for those who are overly sensitive or have not engaged in this type of internet battlefield before - because it is a sort of battlefield. FFL was my first experience of any sort of internet interaction. Robin described it as smashmouth football. I loved that image. I hope this place fulfilled the role that Robin wanted it to. I hope that he was satisfied with whatever it was he wanted to accomplish here for himself. I hope it provided him with some wonderful connections (and I know it did, he came to appreciate and love at least 4 people here) and re-connections (me, who hadn't really thought about him for more than a nanosecond over the last 25 years, who never thought they would hear from him or of him again. What a trip!). I can only wish him well. And if this constitutes a cultish outlook, as Barry contends, then so be it. I feel very fortunate that I feel zero negativity toward Robin, that I only wish him Godspeed in his journey toward wherever it is he travels. To wish someone like him, who has carried the tremendous weight he has in his life, any less than this would be inhuman. As I understand it, Robin decided to venture onto FFL as a result of an invitation (from Rick?) and as an exercise, a sort of meta therapeutic venturing forth in the form of this internet forum. I don't think he had really investigated this type of format before other than for a few months on the alt. blahdadeblah (can't remember the name) forum. Judy will know all this history. But I don't think he wrote what he did at FFL for posterity. This was pretty much an exercise for his own benefit. At least that is how I remember him talking about it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
I just told you what I said. Why are you still misquoting me? And I wasn't talking about anything but his last series of posts, his last exchange with Curtis, in any case, what Barry dishonestly called a 12,000-word rant. He did write some long posts, but no single post was anywhere near that long. He wrote his posts for many different reasons. A few you could say were to set the record straight when someone had misrepresented or misunderstood him, but by no means all or even most or even many. Stevie, you were bragging about having access to Classic search. Your memory is so poor, you really need to check what someone said before you write about it. We wouldn't still be talking about this if you did. I thought Judy said a few days ago, that the purpose of his extraordinarily long posts was to basically, set the record straight especially with regard to this interactions with Curtis. And yes, I can't believe we're still talking about this. On the other hand, I kind of wish that little rascal would show up again. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote: I admit, I found it awfully strange that when Robin first came on board he had that wall of words manner of writing. It seemed like a rather large blind spot on his part, since it made what he wrote almost unreadable. And I remember Barry 2 speaking up, and then Robin started breaking things into paragraphs. Now, I guess Judy did clue me into one aspect of his writing, that is, his 12,000 word posts were written for posterity, if I understand it correctly. As I understand it, Robin decided to venture onto FFL as a result of an invitation (from Rick?) and as an exercise, a sort of meta therapeutic venturing forth in the form of this internet forum. I don't think he had really investigated this type of format before other than for a few months on the alt. blahdadeblah (can't remember the name) forum. Judy will know all this history. But I don't think he wrote what he did at FFL for posterity. This was pretty much an exercise for his own benefit. At least that is how I remember him talking about it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: I was raised to not let anyone bully me. So in the late 1960s when there were all kinds of cult leader types I just blew them off. When Robin showed up here you may recall I told him in a message to break up his wall of words as I felt that people might be interested in what he had to say. To me a wall of words shows worse than misspellings that the writer is ignorant or poorly educated. It's not necessarily an education thang. Some people are simply not aware of the short attention spans of Internet- and soundbyte-impaired readers these days. They find it almost impossible to read a Wall Of Words. Therefore, if you wish to communicate, you use shorter paragraphs. However, according to my friend the psychiatrist who is an expert on Narcissistic Personality Disorder, writing in Wall Of Words style -- especially when you see it happening in someone who has been well educated -- is one of the key markers they look for when diagnosing NPD. Wall Of Words writers don't CARE if they're communicating, and neither do NPD writers. Then at one point he went off on one of my posts and finished by saying now tell me you love me. I thought wha...? Rather than berate such cult leader like behavior I treated it like a joke and told him how funny he was. That seemed to throw him off his game. :-D I feel sorry for someone who can't shed the need to feel important. There may indeed be no cure for someone with severe NPD. When someone dares order me around in person I just stare at them. That really fucks them up. We're both lucky in having avoided the Boss Syndrome for much of our lives. There is a certain freedom in being a consultant that helps when dealing with life's Petty Tyrants. My friend the shrink was familiar with the works of Carlos Castaneda, and he referred to Carlos' descriptions of the Petty Tyrant often when teaching me about NPD. On 02/11/2014 12:09 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: I'm glad I went back to check out the remaining episodes of season one of The Following on Netflix. I had bailed after episode three because it seemed to formulaic. Perhaps Bacon was thinking that too as the storylines improved over the remainder of the season. But now I'm caught up on the first three episodes of season two they are pushing the envelope farther. */Glad to hear it...I think it's an interesting series. Naturally, given the three-year tutelage I spent talking with my psychiatrist friend in Santa Fe who used to specialize in NPD (before he gave it up, experience having
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
Just for fun, since it appears that she's up at 2:00 AM again obsessing: Speaking of poor memories, Barry never used the phrase 12,000-word rant. That's a lie. The only person who has used that phrase, according to the Yahoo Search engine, is Judy Stein, in three separate posts today. Opsie. :-) :-) :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I just told you what I said. Why are you still misquoting me? And I wasn't talking about anything but his last series of posts, his last exchange with Curtis, in any case, what Barry dishonestly called a 12,000-word rant. He did write some long posts, but no single post was anywhere near that long. He wrote his posts for many different reasons. A few you could say were to set the record straight when someone had misrepresented or misunderstood him, but by no means all or even most or even many. Stevie, you were bragging about having access to Classic search. Your memory is so poor, you really need to check what someone said before you write about it. We wouldn't still be talking about this if you did. I thought Judy said a few days ago, that the purpose of his extraordinarily long posts was to basically, set the record straight especially with regard to this interactions with Curtis. And yes, I can't believe we're still talking about this. On the other hand, I kind of wish that little rascal would show up again. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@ wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@ wrote: I admit, I found it awfully strange that when Robin first came on board he had that wall of words manner of writing. It seemed like a rather large blind spot on his part, since it made what he wrote almost unreadable. And I remember Barry 2 speaking up, and then Robin started breaking things into paragraphs. Now, I guess Judy did clue me into one aspect of his writing, that is, his 12,000 word posts were written for posterity, if I understand it correctly. As I understand it, Robin decided to venture onto FFL as a result of an invitation (from Rick?) and as an exercise, a sort of meta therapeutic venturing forth in the form of this internet forum. I don't think he had really investigated this type of format before other than for a few months on the alt. blahdadeblah (can't remember the name) forum. Judy will know all this history. But I don't think he wrote what he did at FFL for posterity. This was pretty much an exercise for his own benefit. At least that is how I remember him talking about it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: I was raised to not let anyone bully me. So in the late 1960s when there were all kinds of cult leader types I just blew them off. When Robin showed up here you may recall I told him in a message to break up his wall of words as I felt that people might be interested in what he had to say. To me a wall of words shows worse than misspellings that the writer is ignorant or poorly educated. It's not necessarily an education thang. Some people are simply not aware of the short attention spans of Internet- and soundbyte-impaired readers these days. They find it almost impossible to read a Wall Of Words. Therefore, if you wish to communicate, you use shorter paragraphs. However, according to my friend the psychiatrist who is an expert on Narcissistic Personality Disorder, writing in Wall Of Words style -- especially when you see it happening in someone who has been well educated -- is one of the key markers they look for when diagnosing NPD. Wall Of Words writers don't CARE if they're communicating, and neither do NPD writers. Then at one point he went off on one of my posts and finished by saying now tell me you love me. I thought wha...? Rather than berate such cult leader like behavior I treated it like a joke and told him how funny he was. That seemed to throw him off his game. :-D I feel sorry for someone who can't shed the need to feel important. There may indeed be no cure for someone with severe NPD. When someone dares order me around in person I just stare at them. That really fucks them up. We're both lucky in having avoided the Boss Syndrome for much of our lives. There is a certain freedom in being a consultant that helps when dealing with life's Petty Tyrants. My friend the shrink was familiar with the works of Carlos Castaneda, and he referred to Carlos' descriptions of the Petty Tyrant often when teaching me about NPD. On 02/11/2014 12:09 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: I'm glad I went back to check out the remaining episodes of season one of The Following on Netflix. I had bailed after episode three because it seemed to formulaic. Perhaps Bacon was thinking that too as the storylines improved over the remainder of the season. But now I'm
[FairfieldLife] Re: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: Just for fun, since it appears that she's up at 2:00 AM again obsessing: Speaking of poor memories, Barry never used the phrase 12,000-word rant. That's a lie. The only person who has used that phrase, according to the Yahoo Search engine, is Judy Stein, in three separate posts today. Opsie. :-) :-) :-) Actually, the third post was by Steve, quoting Judy Stein's lie. In case no one has noticed, I'm just running the Steinster's insane nitpick number on HER. The crazy part is not that she lied -- she does that all the time -- the crazy part is that she's still obsessing about the nonentity named Robin Carlsen. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I just told you what I said. Why are you still misquoting me? And I wasn't talking about anything but his last series of posts, his last exchange with Curtis, in any case, what Barry dishonestly called a 12,000-word rant. He did write some long posts, but no single post was anywhere near that long. He wrote his posts for many different reasons. A few you could say were to set the record straight when someone had misrepresented or misunderstood him, but by no means all or even most or even many. Stevie, you were bragging about having access to Classic search. Your memory is so poor, you really need to check what someone said before you write about it. We wouldn't still be talking about this if you did. I thought Judy said a few days ago, that the purpose of his extraordinarily long posts was to basically, set the record straight especially with regard to this interactions with Curtis. And yes, I can't believe we're still talking about this. On the other hand, I kind of wish that little rascal would show up again. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@ wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@ wrote: I admit, I found it awfully strange that when Robin first came on board he had that wall of words manner of writing. It seemed like a rather large blind spot on his part, since it made what he wrote almost unreadable. And I remember Barry 2 speaking up, and then Robin started breaking things into paragraphs. Now, I guess Judy did clue me into one aspect of his writing, that is, his 12,000 word posts were written for posterity, if I understand it correctly. As I understand it, Robin decided to venture onto FFL as a result of an invitation (from Rick?) and as an exercise, a sort of meta therapeutic venturing forth in the form of this internet forum. I don't think he had really investigated this type of format before other than for a few months on the alt. blahdadeblah (can't remember the name) forum. Judy will know all this history. But I don't think he wrote what he did at FFL for posterity. This was pretty much an exercise for his own benefit. At least that is how I remember him talking about it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: I was raised to not let anyone bully me. So in the late 1960s when there were all kinds of cult leader types I just blew them off. When Robin showed up here you may recall I told him in a message to break up his wall of words as I felt that people might be interested in what he had to say. To me a wall of words shows worse than misspellings that the writer is ignorant or poorly educated. It's not necessarily an education thang. Some people are simply not aware of the short attention spans of Internet- and soundbyte-impaired readers these days. They find it almost impossible to read a Wall Of Words. Therefore, if you wish to communicate, you use shorter paragraphs. However, according to my friend the psychiatrist who is an expert on Narcissistic Personality Disorder, writing in Wall Of Words style -- especially when you see it happening in someone who has been well educated -- is one of the key markers they look for when diagnosing NPD. Wall Of Words writers don't CARE if they're communicating, and neither do NPD writers. Then at one point he went off on one of my posts and finished by saying now tell me you love me. I thought wha...? Rather than berate such cult leader like behavior I treated it like a joke and told him how funny he was. That seemed to throw him off his game. :-D I feel sorry for someone who can't shed the need to feel important. There may indeed be no cure for someone with severe NPD. When someone dares order me around in person I just stare at them. That really fucks them up. We're both lucky in having avoided the Boss Syndrome for much of our lives. There is a certain freedom in being a consultant that helps when dealing with life's Petty Tyrants. My friend the shrink was familiar with the works of Carlos Castaneda, and he referred
