[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huckabee Helps Republicans to Self-Destruct'

2008-01-06 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
   babajii_99@ wrote:
  
  
  [snip]
  
   
I think he will insure a peaceful Israel more than any other 
   
   And continue to ignore the Palestinians so the USA continues to 
 be 
   the most despised country in the western world ? 
  
  
  [snip]
  
  Oh, yes, nutjob-from-some-socialist-Scandinavian-country, the 
  US ignores the Palestinians:
  
  U.S. Aid to Palestine
  
  2002  $72,000,000
  2003  $134,000,000
  2004  $75,000,000
  2005  $274,000,000
  2006  $150,000,000
  
  Tell us, Numbnutsosses, how much did your country contribute to 
the 
  Palestinians?
 
 The Scandinavian countries gives more pr year to the Palestinians 
 than the US did for the last 1o years. The americans prefer to give 
 their billions to the israeli army.
 And they do not elect presidents who are in the pockets of the 
 israeli-american mafia and who looks the other way when the 
israelis 
 move in and slaughter down as many as they like, roll into cities 
 like Nablus as if they owned that city, gives a shit about UN 
 resolutions, continues to occupy Palestinian land and build new 
 settlements wherever they like, and erects a wall right through 
 Palestinian contry. 
 And the americans wonder why the arab and muslim world hates them, 
 why they send you terrorists, and why they are rapidly becoming an 
 international pariah ? 
 Shame on you !

What will a new president of the US of A do about the financing of 
Israeli terrorist attacks on civilian Palestinians  by the israeli 
army ? Probably nothing whatsoever, and the terrorists will just 
increase in numbers every week and keep trying to blast you.




[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huckabee Helps Republicans to Self-Destruct'

2008-01-06 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
shempmcgurk@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ 
   wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
babajii_99@ wrote:
   
   
   [snip]
   

 I think he will insure a peaceful Israel more than any 
other 

And continue to ignore the Palestinians so the USA continues 
to 
  be 
the most despised country in the western world ? 
   
   
   [snip]
   
   Oh, yes, nutjob-from-some-socialist-Scandinavian-country, the 
   US ignores the Palestinians:
   
   U.S. Aid to Palestine
   
   2002  $72,000,000
   2003  $134,000,000
   2004  $75,000,000
   2005  $274,000,000
   2006  $150,000,000
   
   Tell us, Numbnutsosses, how much did your country contribute to 
 the 
   Palestinians?
  
  The Scandinavian countries gives more pr year to the Palestinians 
  than the US did for the last 1o years. The americans prefer to 
give 
  their billions to the israeli army.
  And they do not elect presidents who are in the pockets of the 
  israeli-american mafia and who looks the other way when the 
 israelis 
  move in and slaughter down as many as they like, roll into cities 
  like Nablus as if they owned that city, gives a shit about UN 
  resolutions, continues to occupy Palestinian land and build new 
  settlements wherever they like, and erects a wall right through 
  Palestinian contry. 
  And the americans wonder why the arab and muslim world hates 
them, 
  why they send you terrorists, and why they are rapidly becoming 
an 
  international pariah ? 
  Shame on you !
 
 What will a new president of the US of A do about the financing of 
 Israeli terrorist attacks on civilian Palestinians  by the israeli 
 army ? Probably nothing whatsoever, and the terrorists will just 
 increase in numbers every week and keep trying to blast you.

What is Obamas stand on the continuation of funding the state of 
Israel allowing them to continue the occupation of Palestinian land 
and perpetuating Muslim hate of the USA ?
Anyone knows ?




[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huckabee Helps Republicans to Self-Destruct'

2008-01-06 Thread Richard J. Williams
nablusoss wrote:
 What is Obamas stand on the continuation of funding 
 the state of Israel allowing them to continue the 
 occupation of Palestinian land and perpetuating Muslim 
 hate of the USA? 

Well, first of all, Israel isn't occupying any Palestinian
land. The land the Israelis live on is theirs, won fair
and square in a war started by Jordan, Syria and Egypt. 

Besides, the people living in Israel are Palestinians 
just as much as anyone else living there. There is no 
Palestinian state and never has been. 

 Anyone knows?

Probably only Obama knows for sure. But, according to what 
I've read, of all the current presidential candidates, 
Barak Obama is probably the candidate that would support 
the state of Israel the least. 

Apparently Barak's guru, the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, Jr., 
the long-time Pastor of Obama's church, is a supporter of 
Louis Farrakhan. Wright once traveled with Farrakhan to 
visit Col. Muammar al-Gadaffi. Can you believe that? 

Obama has support from Jimmy Carter and billionaire George 
Soros. So, it wouldn't be a stretch to imagine that Obama 
might try to undermine the American-Israel alliance.



[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huckabee Helps Republicans to Self-Destruct'

2008-01-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 nablusoss wrote:
  What is Obamas stand on the continuation of funding 
  the state of Israel allowing them to continue the 
  occupation of Palestinian land and perpetuating Muslim 
  hate of the USA? 
 
 Well, first of all, Israel isn't occupying any Palestinian
 land. The land the Israelis live on is theirs, won fair
 and square in a war started by Jordan, Syria and Egypt. 
 
 Besides, the people living in Israel are Palestinians 
 just as much as anyone else living there. There is no 
 Palestinian state and never has been. 
 
  Anyone knows?
 
 Probably only Obama knows for sure. But, according to what 
 I've read, of all the current presidential candidates, 
 Barak Obama is probably the candidate that would support 
 the state of Israel the least. 
 
 Apparently Barak's guru, the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, Jr.,

He's Obama's pastor, not his guru.
 
 the long-time Pastor of Obama's church, is a supporter of 
 Louis Farrakhan.

Not according to Pastor Wright.

 Wright once traveled with Farrakhan to 
 visit Col. Muammar al-Gadaffi. Can you believe that? 
 
 Obama has support from Jimmy Carter and billionaire George 
 Soros. So, it wouldn't be a stretch to imagine that Obama 
 might try to undermine the American-Israel alliance.

Yes, it would.

From Politico:

Obama has explicitly rejected any moral equivalence between the two 
side of the conflict. He has made his support for Israel's government 
abundantly clear, and even voted for a resolution in support of the 
recent Israeli invasion of Lebanon. 

He has a strong record of support for Israel, said Lee Rosenberg, a 
member of AIPAC's board of directors. 

I attribute those doubts [in the Jewish community] to the fact that 
he is a relative newcomer and that his views are not widely known, 
said Alan Solow, an Obama supporter who is prominent in Chicago's 
Jewish community. I also attribute it to the fact that he is an 
opponent of the war in Iraq and there are some members of the Jewish 
community who feel that aggressive support of the war in Iraq is 
somehow related to being pro-Israel. 

The views that Senator Obama has expressed and the votes he's made 
are totally consistent with every position that he's ever expressed 
with me and they date back to the very, very early days when he was 
thinking about running for the U.S. Senate, said Solow. 

Solow said Obama's views are all the sharper for having been formed 
by conversations with supporters of both the Israeli and Palestinian 
sides. Indeed, Obama has taken heat from some Palestinian activists 
who considered him an ally, and now consider him a sell-out. 

Read the full article:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0307/3177.html




[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huckabee Helps Republicans to Self-Destruct'

2008-01-06 Thread Richard J. Williams
Judy wrote:
  Apparently Barak's guru, the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, Jr.,
 
 He's Obama's pastor, not his guru.
  
A pastor is a guru. According to Obama, the Reverend Jeremiah 
Wright, Jr. is his inspiration and guiding light. Wright is 
the spiritual mentor to Obama. From what I've read, Wright 
coined the phrase audacity of hope, the title of Obama's 
book. 



[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huckabee Helps Republicans to Self-Destruct'

2008-01-06 Thread nablusoss1008
 
 From Politico:
 
 Obama has explicitly rejected any moral equivalence between the two 
 side of the conflict. He has made his support for Israel's 
government 
 abundantly clear, and even voted for a resolution in support of the 
 recent Israeli invasion of Lebanon. 
 
 He has a strong record of support for Israel, said Lee Rosenberg, 
a 
 member of AIPAC's board of directors. 
 
 I attribute those doubts [in the Jewish community] to the fact 
that 
 he is a relative newcomer and that his views are not widely known, 
 said Alan Solow, an Obama supporter who is prominent in Chicago's 
 Jewish community. I also attribute it to the fact that he is an 
 opponent of the war in Iraq and there are some members of the 
Jewish 
 community who feel that aggressive support of the war in Iraq is 
 somehow related to being pro-Israel. 
 
 The views that Senator Obama has expressed and the votes he's made 
 are totally consistent with every position that he's ever expressed 
 with me and they date back to the very, very early days when he was 
 thinking about running for the U.S. Senate, said Solow. 
 
 Solow said Obama's views are all the sharper for having been formed 
 by conversations with supporters of both the Israeli and 
Palestinian 
 sides. Indeed, Obama has taken heat from some Palestinian activists 
 who considered him an ally, and now consider him a sell-out. 
 
 Read the full article:
 http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0307/3177.html

Seems like if he gets elected nothing will happen with the american 
support of Israel and your enemies and terrorists will continue to 
pour into the USA to try to blow you up.




[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huckabee Helps Republicans to Self-Destruct'

2008-01-06 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 
 As I understand it (and Off-Kilter can certainly correct me by 
 reproducing Paul policy points on this issue) Paul is first and 
 foremost for freedom of the individual, including free speech, and 
 that means lobbyists will have LESS laws governing who they speak to 
 and what they can say to them, not MORE laws restricting them.
 
 So don't expect Paul to support any laws to restrict lobbyists and 
 corporate interests; just expect him not to listen to them.


Close, but not quite.  It appears as if Ron Paul is a state's rights
kind of guy.  He favors extreme limitations on what the federal
government can do, and says if it is not specifically authorized by
the constitution, then the feds can't do it.  On the other hand,
states are free to do what they want.  This is similar to what Justice
Thomas seems to believe.  By way of an example, if a state decided to
amend its state constitution and enact a state religion, Paul and
Thomas would says that is none of the federal government's affair.  







[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huckabee Helps Republicans to Self-Destruct'

2008-01-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

[I wrote:]
  From Politico:
  
snip
  Solow said Obama's views are all the sharper for having been 
  formed by conversations with supporters of both the Israeli
  and Palestinian sides. Indeed, Obama has taken heat from some 
  Palestinian activists who considered him an ally, and now 
  consider him a sell-out. 
  
  Read the full article:
  http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0307/3177.html
 
 Seems like if he gets elected nothing will happen with the american 
 support of Israel and your enemies and terrorists will continue to 
 pour into the USA to try to blow you up.

The U.S. is unlikely ever not to support Israel,
but that doesn't necessarily mean giving it
everything it wants. That both hardline Jews and
activist Palestinians are nervous about Obama
seems a pretty good sign to me that he might be
able to prod the two sides closer to a reasonable
resolution of the conflict.

If one or the other of the sides adored him
wholeheartedly, I'd be worried.




[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huckabee Helps Republicans to Self-Destruct'

2008-01-06 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
 [I wrote:]
   From Politico:
   
 snip
   Solow said Obama's views are all the sharper for having been 
   formed by conversations with supporters of both the Israeli
   and Palestinian sides. Indeed, Obama has taken heat from some 
   Palestinian activists who considered him an ally, and now 
   consider him a sell-out. 
   
   Read the full article:
   http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0307/3177.html
  
  Seems like if he gets elected nothing will happen with the 
american 
  support of Israel and your enemies and terrorists will continue 
to 
  pour into the USA to try to blow you up.
 
 The U.S. is unlikely ever not to support Israel,
 but that doesn't necessarily mean giving it
 everything it wants. That both hardline Jews and
 activist Palestinians are nervous about Obama
 seems a pretty good sign to me that he might be
 able to prod the two sides closer to a reasonable
 resolution of the conflict.
 
 If one or the other of the sides adored him
 wholeheartedly, I'd be worried.

Thats an interesting view actually and I tend to agree with you.

But unless the US withdraws some of it's support for Israel there 
will continue to be a stalemate in the MiddleEast and the hate 
against the americans will continue to grow, rightly so. 




[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huckabee Helps Republicans to Self-Destruct'

2008-01-05 Thread shempmcgurk
Dear, dear Robert
Who do you think
Israel
Will fare better under
Your beloved Obama
Or
Your disdained
Hucky?





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It's wonderful to watch Mike divide the Republican Party.
   All of the right-wingnuts hate him...
   He will greatly help the Obama candidancy.

   Edwards helps Obama by stirring up the anger against the powers 
that be.

   Hillary helps Obama by contrasting empty rhetoric she has,
   With Barack's towering rhetoric.

   The wind is at Obama's back, 
   Sailing all the way for a victory for us all...
 

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 Never miss a thing.   Make Yahoo your homepage.





[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huckabee Helps Republicans to Self-Destruct'

2008-01-05 Thread Robert Gimbel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Dear, dear Robert
 Who do you think
 Israel
 Will fare better under
 Your beloved Obama
 Or
 Your disdained
 Hucky?


Huckabee reminds me of a snake oil salesman.
I really wouldn't trust him with a nickel.

Obama is inspiring people like me, who haven't felt this kind of 
passion and intelligence since JFK.
I think he will insure a peaceful Israel more than any other 
candidate.
There is only one truth.
An equal playing field is necessary.
We don't have this right now.
Everything is slightly out of wack, out of balance.
Energy and intelligence will save the day.
Obama is a force of nature, just like Lincoln.
His rhetoric rivals Lincoln's.




[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huckabee Helps Republicans to Self-Destruct'

2008-01-05 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 
  Dear, dear Robert
  Who do you think
  Israel
  Will fare better under
  Your beloved Obama
  Or
  Your disdained
  Hucky?
 
 
 Huckabee reminds me of a snake oil salesman.
 I really wouldn't trust him with a nickel.
 
 Obama is inspiring people like me, who haven't felt this kind of 
 passion and intelligence since JFK.


 I think he will insure a peaceful Israel more than any other 

And continue to ignore the Palestinians so the USA continues to be 
the most despised country in the western world ? 

 candidate.
 There is only one truth.
 An equal playing field is necessary.
 We don't have this right now.
 Everything is slightly out of wack, out of balance.
 Energy and intelligence will save the day.
 Obama is a force of nature, just like Lincoln.
 His rhetoric rivals Lincoln's.





[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huckabee Helps Republicans to Self-Destruct'

2008-01-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 
  Dear, dear Robert
  Who do you think
  Israel
  Will fare better under
  Your beloved Obama
  Or
  Your disdained
  Hucky?
 
 
 Huckabee reminds me of a snake oil salesman.
 I really wouldn't trust him with a nickel.
 
 Obama is inspiring people like me, who haven't felt this kind of 
 passion and intelligence since JFK.
 I think he will insure a peaceful Israel more than any other 
 candidate.
 There is only one truth.
 An equal playing field is necessary.
 We don't have this right now.
 Everything is slightly out of wack, out of balance.
 Energy and intelligence will save the day.
 Obama is a force of nature, just like Lincoln.
 His rhetoric rivals Lincoln's.



Well, then, consider it a plus that you can vote in U.S. elections 
and I can't.




[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huckabee Helps Republicans to Self-Destruct'

2008-01-05 Thread Robert Gimbel
 (snip)
 
 Well, then, consider it a plus that you can vote in U.S. elections 
 and I can't.

Well, then, consider the possibility of an Obama Presidency:
Imagine him taking the oath of office to become President...
Imagine a United States of America, that has evolved enough to elect 
someone like him.
Appreciate the obstacles he is overcoming.
Send him some good energy.
Work to elect him.
If you do these things, you will help him more than an extra vote or 
two.
Bush didn't become President because you or I voted for him;
He became President because we had to hit bottom, 
All the lies needed to be exposed, the veil needed to be lifted.
And provide the basis for a sea change, in the American body politic.
Thanks George for showing us the way not to go!




[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huckabee Helps Republicans to Self-Destruct'

2008-01-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
 babajii_99@ wrote:


[snip]

 
  I think he will insure a peaceful Israel more than any other 
 
 And continue to ignore the Palestinians so the USA continues to be 
 the most despised country in the western world ? 


[snip]

Oh, yes, nutjob-from-some-socialist-Scandinavian-country, the 
US ignores the Palestinians:

U.S. Aid to Palestine

2002  $72,000,000
2003  $134,000,000
2004  $75,000,000
2005  $274,000,000
2006  $150,000,000

Tell us, Numbnutsosses, how much did your country contribute to the 
Palestinians?



[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huckabee Helps Republicans to Self-Destruct'

2008-01-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  (snip)
  
  Well, then, consider it a plus that you can vote in U.S. 
elections 
  and I can't.
 
 Well, then, consider the possibility of an Obama Presidency:
 Imagine him taking the oath of office to become President...
 Imagine a United States of America, that has evolved enough to 
elect 
 someone like him.
 Appreciate the obstacles he is overcoming.
 Send him some good energy.
 Work to elect him.
 If you do these things, you will help him more than an extra vote 
or 
 two.
 Bush didn't become President because you or I voted for him;
 He became President because we had to hit bottom, 
 All the lies needed to be exposed, the veil needed to be lifted.
 And provide the basis for a sea change, in the American body 
politic.
 Thanks George for showing us the way not to go!



Tell you what: let him start wearing a tie a little bit more often so 
that he doesn't look like an underfed undertaker and I'll consider it.



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huckabee Helps Republicans to Self-Destruct'

2008-01-05 Thread Angela Mailander
I, too, have not felt this energy since the Kennedy's and since Martin Luther 
King.  So will Obama get himself assassinated also?  But there are other, more 
serious considerations:

Personal charisma is nice, but is it enough?  Certainly it will be nice  for  
American leadership not to be perceived as utterly uncouth and uncultured all 
around the world, as it is now, and has been for years, but is it enough?  
Certainly it will be totally excellent to move beyond racism, and Obama can, 
certainly accomplish this.  

But will he be independent of corporate fascism--someone on this list has 
expressed serious doubt,  insisting that any  vote for anyone other than Paul 
is a vote for that egregiously evil system and its economic shock doctrine.  I 
don't agree that Ron Paul is the person who can actually do something about 
that, but can Obama?  Ron Paul is scary to me, and while all my meditating 
friends here in Ff were for Ron Paul, I sported an Obama sticker on my car.

Danny Sheehan was here in Ff recently and, while he thought Obama would make a 
great president in a few years, he also thought it would be better now for 
Obama to be Edward's vice presidential running mate.  The major reason he gave 
for his view is Obama's position on energy which favors independence of oil 
through nuclear power.  And this, according to Sheehan, is an extremely 
dangerous course of action.

Do any of you on this list know Danny Sheehan?  He is a very powerful person 
with his own considerable charisma.  His resume reads like a TV serial of the 
guy on a white horse who rides into town and saves the day on the side of 
goodness and justice: the Pentagon Papers case, the Karen Silkwood case, the 
Iran Contra case, among others; each time, he's on the right side of the issue 
and each time, he wins the case.   

And Danny Sheehan knows things no one should know.  Here's an example.  Just 
before Christmas in 2001, I heard a speech he gave in Berkley, CA.  In that 
speech, he said that he knew, not he believed or hoped or had reason to guess, 
but that he knew for a fact that Kerry would be running against Bush in the 
next election.  I believe that was before there were any nominations, certainly 
before there were any caucuses (caw-cusses, cauci?), so how did he know this?  
And what does it mean that he knew?  I asked him these questions when he was 
here in Ff, and had a long conversation with him after his official speech, but 
he gave me no satisfactory answer.  Anyway, I like Danny, but for reasons I 
can't go into right now, I don't trust him any further than I could throw this 
big man.  

So, I have two questions.  Anyone on this list have any info on Danny?  And 
what do y'all think about Danny's position on Obama and energy?






- Original Message 
From: Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2008 11:32:30 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huckabee Helps Republicans to Self-Destruct'









  



--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
... 

wrote:



 Dear, dear Robert

 Who do you think

 Israel

 Will fare better under

 Your beloved Obama

 Or

 Your disdained

 Hucky?



Huckabee reminds me of a snake oil salesman.

I really wouldn't trust him with a nickel.



Obama is inspiring people like me, who haven't felt this kind of 

passion and intelligence since JFK.

I think he will insure a peaceful Israel more than any other 

candidate.

There is only one truth.

An equal playing field is necessary.

We don't have this right now.

Everything is slightly out of wack, out of balance.

Energy and intelligence will save the day.

Obama is a force of nature, just like Lincoln.

His rhetoric rivals Lincoln's.






  







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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huckabee Helps Republicans to Self-Destruct'

2008-01-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 Danny Sheehan was here in Ff recently and, while he thought Obama 
would make a great president in a few years, he also thought it would 
be better now for Obama to be Edward's vice presidential running 
mate.  The major reason he gave for his view is Obama's position on 
energy which favors independence of oil through nuclear power.  And 
this, according to Sheehan, is an extremely dangerous course of 
action.

Actually he has a detailed plan of which
nuclear energy is only a part. It also
includes, among other things, development
of biofuels and other renewable resources
and extensive conservation measures.

About 70 percent of our energy that isn't
carbon-generated is nuclear. He doesn't 
believe we can achieve energy independence
without its playing a role, at least for
now.

His plan also emphasizes instituting much
stricter security for nuclear fuel and
waste, and to prevent proliferation.

snip
 And Danny Sheehan knows things no one should know.  Here's an 
example.  Just before Christmas in 2001, I heard a speech he gave in 
Berkley, CA.  In that speech, he said that he knew, not he believed 
or hoped or had reason to guess, but that he knew for a fact that 
Kerry would be running against Bush in the next election.  I believe 
that was before there were any nominations, certainly before there 
were any caucuses (caw-cusses, cauci?), so how did he know this?  And 
what does it mean that he knew?

Well, he was obviously in on the plot to
install Bush for a second term by having
the Democrats run somebody who wouldn't be
able to beat him.




[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huckabee Helps Republicans to Self-Destruct'

2008-01-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[snip]
 
 But will he be independent of corporate fascism--someone on this 
list has expressed serious doubt,  insisting that any  vote for 
anyone other than Paul is a vote for that egregiously evil system and 
its economic shock doctrine.  I don't agree that Ron Paul is the 
person who can actually do something about that, but can Obama?  Ron 
Paul is scary to me, and while all my meditating friends here in Ff 
were for Ron Paul, I sported an Obama sticker on my car.

[snip]

If he becomes president, Paul himself may be independent of 
corporate fascism but it will be a result of Paul simply not 
entertaining or listening to corporate lobbyists...something that all 
400+ members of Congress and the 100 Senators will still be free to 
do.

As I understand it (and Off-Kilter can certainly correct me by 
reproducing Paul policy points on this issue) Paul is first and 
foremost for freedom of the individual, including free speech, and 
that means lobbyists will have LESS laws governing who they speak to 
and what they can say to them, not MORE laws restricting them.

So don't expect Paul to support any laws to restrict lobbyists and 
corporate interests; just expect him not to listen to them.



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huckabee Helps Republicans to Self-Destruct'

2008-01-05 Thread Angela Mailander
Judy writes (snipped):

Well, he was obviously in on the plot to

install Bush for a second term by having

the Democrats run somebody who wouldn't be

able to beat him.

Well, that is one explanation of all the possible ones, but I don't know that 
it's so obvious, nor that it is THE explanation.  Still there's more to Danny 
than meets the eye.  He's the attorney for the Disclosure Project, and I was 
not crazy about their news conference on May 9th of 2001.  Danny, moreover, 
worked for the Jesuits.  After a European education and what I know about the 
Vatican's involvement in installing Hitler, there's no way I could ever trust 
anyone who's been associated with them.

And, Judy, I did get this mail.  I did not get the one Sal quotes.  Why I don't 
get them is a mystery, but I don't feel like making an effort to go to the site 
to look for your posts, cause I am busy with stuff going on in China, but I 
will look into it since it means I'm not getting all my mail, and maybe that 
includes important stuff from China.  

- Original Message 
From: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2008 2:09:16 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huckabee Helps Republicans to Self-Destruct'









  



--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander 

mailander111@ ... wrote:

snip

 Danny Sheehan was here in Ff recently and, while he thought Obama 

would make a great president in a few years, he also thought it would 

be better now for Obama to be Edward's vice presidential running 

mate.  The major reason he gave for his view is Obama's position on 

energy which favors independence of oil through nuclear power.  And 

this, according to Sheehan, is an extremely dangerous course of 

action.



Actually he has a detailed plan of which

nuclear energy is only a part. It also

includes, among other things, development

of biofuels and other renewable resources

and extensive conservation measures.



About 70 percent of our energy that isn't

carbon-generated is nuclear. He doesn't 

believe we can achieve energy independence

without its playing a role, at least for

now.



His plan also emphasizes instituting much

stricter security for nuclear fuel and

waste, and to prevent proliferation.



snip

 And Danny Sheehan knows things no one should know.  Here's an 

example.  Just before Christmas in 2001, I heard a speech he gave in 

Berkley, CA.  In that speech, he said that he knew, not he believed 

or hoped or had reason to guess, but that he knew for a fact that 

Kerry would be running against Bush in the next election.  I believe 

that was before there were any nominations, certainly before there 

were any caucuses (caw-cusses, cauci?), so how did he know this?  And 

what does it mean that he knew?



Well, he was obviously in on the plot to

install Bush for a second term by having

the Democrats run somebody who wouldn't be

able to beat him.






  







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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huckabee Helps Republicans to Self-Destruct'

2008-01-05 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Judy writes (snipped):
 
 Well, he was obviously in on the plot to
 
 install Bush for a second term by having
 
 the Democrats run somebody who wouldn't be
 
 able to beat him.
 
 Well, that is one explanation of all the possible ones, but I don't
know that it's so obvious, nor that it is THE explanation.  Still
there's more to Danny than meets the eye.  He's the attorney for the
Disclosure Project, and I was not crazy about their news conference on
May 9th of 2001.  Danny, moreover, worked for the Jesuits.  After a
European education and what I know about the Vatican's involvement in
installing Hitler, there's no way I could ever trust anyone who's been
associated with them.
 
 And, Judy, I did get this mail.  I did not get the one Sal quotes. 
Why I don't get them is a mystery, but I don't feel like making an
effort to go to the site to look for your posts, cause I am busy with
stuff going on in China, but I will look into it since it means I'm
not getting all my mail, and maybe that includes important stuff from
China.  

Chortle








[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huckabee Helps Republicans to Self-Destruct'

2008-01-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
 mailander111@ wrote:
snip
  And, Judy, I did get this mail.  I did not get the one Sal 
  quotes. Why I don't get them is a mystery, but I don't feel
  like making an effort to go to the site to look for your
  posts, cause I am busy with stuff going on in China, but I
  will look into it since it means I'm not getting all my mail,
  and maybe that includes important stuff from China.  
 
 Chortle

Say, John, is this Angela's usual practice when
defeated in an argument, to claim she never
received the posts and is just too busy with 
stuff going on in China to go look for them on
the Web site?

Or is having guests?

Or can't access the Web site?

I mean, it isn't as if she went kinda silent,
as she accused me of doing when I was out of
town. She's been quite active responding to the
posts she *does* seem to be able to receive.




[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huckabee Helps Republicans to Self-Destruct'

2008-01-05 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
  babajii_99@ wrote:
 
 
 [snip]
 
  
   I think he will insure a peaceful Israel more than any other 
  
  And continue to ignore the Palestinians so the USA continues to 
be 
  the most despised country in the western world ? 
 
 
 [snip]
 
 Oh, yes, nutjob-from-some-socialist-Scandinavian-country, the 
 US ignores the Palestinians:
 
 U.S. Aid to Palestine
 
 2002  $72,000,000
 2003  $134,000,000
 2004  $75,000,000
 2005  $274,000,000
 2006  $150,000,000
 
 Tell us, Numbnutsosses, how much did your country contribute to the 
 Palestinians?

The Scandinavian countries gives more pr year to the Palestinians 
than the US did for the last 1o years. The americans prefer to give 
their billions to the israeli army.
And they do not elect presidents who are in the pockets of the 
israeli-american mafia and who looks the other way when the israelis 
move in and slaughter down as many as they like, roll into cities 
like Nablus as if they owned that city, gives a shit about UN 
resolutions, continues to occupy Palestinian land and build new 
settlements wherever they like, and erects a wall right through 
Palestinian contry. 
And the americans wonder why the arab and muslim world hates them, 
why they send you terrorists, and why they are rapidly becoming an 
international pariah ? 
Shame on you !




[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huckabee Helps Republicans to Self-Destruct'

2008-01-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 No, I feel y'all have established beyond the shadow of a doubt that I 
am a thoroughly unpleasant character.  I already knew that, by the way, 
so this is not news to me, but now, y'all know it too, so why beat a 
dead horse?

The horse isn't dead as long as you continue
to be unpleasant.



[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huckabee Helps Republicans to Self-Destruct'

2008-01-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ 
 wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
mailander111@ wrote:
   snip
 And, Judy, I did get this mail.  I did not get the one Sal 
 quotes. Why I don't get them is a mystery, but I don't feel
 like making an effort to go to the site to look for your
 posts, cause I am busy with stuff going on in China, but I
 will look into it since it means I'm not getting all my mail,
 and maybe that includes important stuff from China.  

Chortle
   
   Say, John, is this Angela's usual practice when
   defeated in an argument, to claim she never
   received the posts and is just too busy with 
   stuff going on in China to go look for them on
   the Web site?
   
   Or is having guests?
   
   Or can't access the Web site?
   
   I mean, it isn't as if she went kinda silent,
   as she accused me of doing when I was out of
   town. She's been quite active responding to the
   posts she *does* seem to be able to receive.
  
  
  That's what arguments *are*. Those who have big dicks 
  enjoy swinging them at each other. Those who don't try 
  to make the best of their lack by pretending they 
  aren't impressed by or envious of the weaponry on 
  display.   - Judy Stein, 4 January 2008, FFL
 
 Says Barry, totally missing the point.

http://www.members.aol.com/tantricone/share/RoleModels.htm





[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huckabee Helps Republicans to Self-Destruct'

2008-01-05 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
  mailander111@ wrote:
 snip
   And, Judy, I did get this mail.  I did not get the one Sal 
   quotes. Why I don't get them is a mystery, but I don't feel
   like making an effort to go to the site to look for your
   posts, cause I am busy with stuff going on in China, but I
   will look into it since it means I'm not getting all my mail,
   and maybe that includes important stuff from China.  
  
  Chortle
 
 Say, John, is this Angela's usual practice when
 defeated in an argument, to claim she never
 received the posts and is just too busy with 
 stuff going on in China to go look for them on
 the Web site?
 
 Or is having guests?
 
 Or can't access the Web site?
 
 I mean, it isn't as if she went kinda silent,
 as she accused me of doing when I was out of
 town. She's been quite active responding to the
 posts she *does* seem to be able to receive.


It appears to me that the last thing Angela will do is face being
called on her claims and responses - and she'll come up with just
about any excuse, no matter how clearly ridiculous.

I find many if not most of her bold assertions to be based on
unfounded assumptions, presumptions and a feeling that her past
claimed laurels are sufficient to get away with her often outright
horse shit assertions.










Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huckabee Helps Republicans to Self-Destruct'

2008-01-05 Thread Angela Mailander
No, I feel y'all have established beyond the shadow of a doubt that I am a 
thoroughly unpleasant character.  I already knew that, by the way, so this is 
not news to me, but now, y'all know it too, so why beat a dead horse?  

- Original Message 
From: do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2008 4:44:34 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huckabee Helps Republicans to Self-Destruct'









  



--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, authfriend [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] wrote:



 --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:

 

  --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander

  mailander111@  wrote:

 snip

   And, Judy, I did get this mail.  I did not get the one Sal 

   quotes. Why I don't get them is a mystery, but I don't feel

   like making an effort to go to the site to look for your

   posts, cause I am busy with stuff going on in China, but I

   will look into it since it means I'm not getting all my mail,

   and maybe that includes important stuff from China.  

  

  Chortle

 

 Say, John, is this Angela's usual practice when

 defeated in an argument, to claim she never

 received the posts and is just too busy with 

 stuff going on in China to go look for them on

 the Web site?

 

 Or is having guests?

 

 Or can't access the Web site?

 

 I mean, it isn't as if she went kinda silent,

 as she accused me of doing when I was out of

 town. She's been quite active responding to the

 posts she *does* seem to be able to receive.



It appears to me that the last thing Angela will do is face being

called on her claims and responses - and she'll come up with just

about any excuse, no matter how clearly ridiculous.



I find many if not most of her bold assertions to be based on

unfounded assumptions, presumptions and a feeling that her past

claimed laurels are sufficient to get away with her often outright

horse shit assertions.






  







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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huckabee Helps Republicans to Self-Destruct'

2008-01-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
  mailander111@ wrote:
 snip
   And, Judy, I did get this mail.  I did not get the one Sal 
   quotes. Why I don't get them is a mystery, but I don't feel
   like making an effort to go to the site to look for your
   posts, cause I am busy with stuff going on in China, but I
   will look into it since it means I'm not getting all my mail,
   and maybe that includes important stuff from China.  
  
  Chortle
 
 Say, John, is this Angela's usual practice when
 defeated in an argument, to claim she never
 received the posts and is just too busy with 
 stuff going on in China to go look for them on
 the Web site?
 
 Or is having guests?
 
 Or can't access the Web site?
 
 I mean, it isn't as if she went kinda silent,
 as she accused me of doing when I was out of
 town. She's been quite active responding to the
 posts she *does* seem to be able to receive.


That's what arguments *are*. Those who have big dicks 
enjoy swinging them at each other. Those who don't try 
to make the best of their lack by pretending they 
aren't impressed by or envious of the weaponry on 
display.   - Judy Stein, 4 January 2008, FFL






[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huckabee Helps Republicans to Self-Destruct'

2008-01-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ 
wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
   mailander111@ wrote:
  snip
And, Judy, I did get this mail.  I did not get the one Sal 
quotes. Why I don't get them is a mystery, but I don't feel
like making an effort to go to the site to look for your
posts, cause I am busy with stuff going on in China, but I
will look into it since it means I'm not getting all my mail,
and maybe that includes important stuff from China.  
   
   Chortle
  
  Say, John, is this Angela's usual practice when
  defeated in an argument, to claim she never
  received the posts and is just too busy with 
  stuff going on in China to go look for them on
  the Web site?
  
  Or is having guests?
  
  Or can't access the Web site?
  
  I mean, it isn't as if she went kinda silent,
  as she accused me of doing when I was out of
  town. She's been quite active responding to the
  posts she *does* seem to be able to receive.
 
 
 That's what arguments *are*. Those who have big dicks 
 enjoy swinging them at each other. Those who don't try 
 to make the best of their lack by pretending they 
 aren't impressed by or envious of the weaponry on 
 display.   - Judy Stein, 4 January 2008, FFL

Says Barry, totally missing the point.






[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huckabee Helps Republicans to Self-Destruct'

2008-01-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
  mailander111@ wrote:
  
   No, I feel y'all have established beyond the shadow of a
   doubt that I am a thoroughly unpleasant character.  I
   already knew that, by the way, so this is not news to me,
   but now, y'all know it too, so why beat a  dead horse?
  
  The horse isn't dead as long as you continue
  to be unpleasant.
 
 Perhaps, Judy, you could show her how to be a pleasant person.

Context, Shemp, context. It isn't obvious from
these most current posts, but the context is
actually integrity, not politeness.





[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huckabee Helps Republicans to Self-Destruct'

2008-01-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
 mailander111@ wrote:
 
  No, I feel y'all have established beyond the shadow of a doubt that 
I 
 am a thoroughly unpleasant character.  I already knew that, by the 
way, 
 so this is not news to me, but now, y'all know it too, so why beat a 
 dead horse?
 
 The horse isn't dead as long as you continue
 to be unpleasant.


Perhaps, Judy, you could show her how to be a pleasant person.




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huckabee Helps Republicans to Self-Destruct'

2008-01-05 Thread Angela Mailander
Thanks, Shemp, for a good laugh.  

- Original Message 
From: shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2008 5:12:18 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huckabee Helps Republicans to Self-Destruct'









  



--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, authfriend [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] wrote:



 --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander 

 mailander111@  wrote:

 

  No, I feel y'all have established beyond the shadow of a doubt that 

I 

 am a thoroughly unpleasant character.  I already knew that, by the 

way, 

 so this is not news to me, but now, y'all know it too, so why beat a 

 dead horse?

 

 The horse isn't dead as long as you continue

 to be unpleasant.



Perhaps, Judy, you could show her how to be a pleasant person.






  







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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huckabee Helps Republicans to Self-Destruct'

2008-01-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
   babajii_99@ wrote:
  
  
  [snip]
  
   
I think he will insure a peaceful Israel more than any other 
   
   And continue to ignore the Palestinians so the USA continues to 
 be 
   the most despised country in the western world ? 
  
  
  [snip]
  
  Oh, yes, nutjob-from-some-socialist-Scandinavian-country, the 
  US ignores the Palestinians:
  
  U.S. Aid to Palestine
  
  2002  $72,000,000
  2003  $134,000,000
  2004  $75,000,000
  2005  $274,000,000
  2006  $150,000,000
  
  Tell us, Numbnutsosses, how much did your country contribute to 
the 
  Palestinians?
 
 The Scandinavian countries gives more pr year to the Palestinians 
 than the US did for the last 1o years.





Well, according to the figures I reproduced above, the U.S. gave over 
$700 million in just 5 years.

According to 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_aid_to_Palestinians

Sweden and Denmark gave a total of about $36 million in 2006 (plus 
another $35 million through NGOs although I don't know what that is).

Methinks you are off by about $650 million just for the last 5 
years...







 The americans prefer to give 
 their billions to the israeli army.
 And they do not elect presidents who are in the pockets of the 
 israeli-american mafia and who looks the other way when the 
israelis 
 move in and slaughter down as many as they like, roll into cities 
 like Nablus as if they owned that city, gives a shit about UN 
 resolutions, continues to occupy Palestinian land and build new 
 settlements wherever they like, and erects a wall right through 
 Palestinian contry. 
 And the americans wonder why the arab and muslim world hates them, 
 why they send you terrorists, and why they are rapidly becoming an 
 international pariah ? 
 Shame on you !





[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huckabee Helps Republicans to Self-Destruct'

2008-01-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thanks, Shemp, for a good laugh.

Angela, I strongly suspect, knows very well
what the context is. And her response here
is thus an example of that very issue.
  
 
 - Original Message 
 From: shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2008 5:12:18 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huckabee Helps Republicans to Self-
Destruct'
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, authfriend 
jstein@ wrote:
 
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander 
 
  mailander111@  wrote:
 
  
 
   No, I feel y'all have established beyond the shadow of a doubt 
that 
 
 I 
 
  am a thoroughly unpleasant character.  I already knew that, by 
the 
 
 way, 
 
  so this is not news to me, but now, y'all know it too, so why 
beat a 
 
  dead horse?
 
  
 
  The horse isn't dead as long as you continue
 
  to be unpleasant.
 
 
 
 Perhaps, Judy, you could show her how to be a pleasant person.
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Huckabee Helps Republicans to Self-Destruct'

2008-01-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
   babajii_99@ wrote:
  
  
  [snip]
  
   
I think he will insure a peaceful Israel more than any other 
   
   And continue to ignore the Palestinians so the USA continues to 
 be 
   the most despised country in the western world ? 
  
  
  [snip]
  
  Oh, yes, nutjob-from-some-socialist-Scandinavian-country, the 
  US ignores the Palestinians:
  
  U.S. Aid to Palestine
  
  2002  $72,000,000
  2003  $134,000,000
  2004  $75,000,000
  2005  $274,000,000
  2006  $150,000,000
  
  Tell us, Numbnutsosses, how much did your country contribute to 
the 
  Palestinians?
 
 The Scandinavian countries gives more pr year to the Palestinians 
 than the US did for the last 1o years. The americans prefer to give 
 their billions to the israeli army.
 And they do not elect presidents who are in the pockets of the 
 israeli-american mafia and who looks the other way when the 
israelis 
 move in and slaughter down as many as they like, roll into cities 
 like Nablus as if they owned that city, gives a shit about UN 
 resolutions, continues to occupy Palestinian land and build new 
 settlements wherever they like, and erects a wall right through 
 Palestinian contry. 
 And the americans wonder why the arab and muslim world hates them, 
 why they send you terrorists, and why they are rapidly becoming an 
 international pariah ? 
 Shame on you !



And here's a sweet little quote for you, Snabby:

These are the facts: according to a report by the World Bank, from 
1994 to 1998, the United States was the largest contributor to the 
Palestinians.

Go read the following article by an evil Israeli: 
http://www.maariv.co.il/online/1/ART1/529/562.html