[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

2006-08-08 Thread ffia1120
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Gee, it's so easy to dump on people when you don't mind putting 
> thoughts in their heads, and pretending you can read their minds, 
which 
> you do *all the time,* Judy.
> 
> Sal
> 
> 
> On Aug 8, 2006, at 4:35 PM, authfriend wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Priorities, priorities.
> >
> > Yeah, except that's NOT WHAT HE SAID.
> >
> > Gee, it's so easy to dump on people when you don't
> > mind putting words in their mouth.

Good point Sal. Personally, I no longer read posts by authfriend or 
spairag. Waste of time.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

2006-08-08 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Gee, it's so easy to dump on people when you don't mind putting 
> thoughts in their heads, and pretending you can read their minds,
> which you do *all the time,* Judy.

Bit of a difference, Sal.  Obviously not simplistic
enough for you to grasp, however.



> 
> Sal
> 
> 
> On Aug 8, 2006, at 4:35 PM, authfriend wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Priorities, priorities.
> >
> > Yeah, except that's NOT WHAT HE SAID.
> >
> > Gee, it's so easy to dump on people when you don't
> > mind putting words in their mouth.
>






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

2006-08-08 Thread Sal Sunshine
Gee, it's so easy to dump on people when you don't mind putting thoughts in their heads, and pretending you can read their minds, which you do *all the time,* Judy.

Sal


On Aug 8, 2006, at 4:35 PM, authfriend wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
Priorities, priorities.

Yeah, except that's NOT WHAT HE SAID.

Gee, it's so easy to dump on people when you don't
mind putting words in their mouth.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

2006-08-08 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman  
> wrote:
> >
> > By the response of Sparaig and some of these dome
> > goers it is clear that in fairfield Kuli Yuga is alive
> > and well. 
> > 
> > "And thru the window of science we can see the dawn of
> > the age of enlightenment"
> 
> Sparaig has admitted to the fact that he does not always have time to 
> do his program - one reason being that he is so busy posting moronic 
> messages on FF Life.
>

ADHD/OCD is a wonder to behold. What's in YOUR brainpan?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

2006-08-08 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Priorities, priorities.

Yeah, except that's NOT WHAT HE SAID.

Gee, it's so easy to dump on people when you don't
mind putting words in their mouth.



> Sal
> 
> On Aug 8, 2006, at 4:25 PM, ffia1120 wrote:
> 
> > Sparaig has admitted to the fact that he does not always have time 
to
> > do his program - one reason being that he is so busy posting moronic
> > messages on FF Life.
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

2006-08-08 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> By the response of Sparaig and some of these dome
> goers it is clear that in fairfield Kuli Yuga is alive
> and well. 
> 
> "And thru the window of science we can see the dawn of
> the age of enlightenment"


Ah yes: my attitude bad, yours good...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

2006-08-08 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman  
> wrote:
> >
> > By the response of Sparaig and some of these dome
> > goers it is clear that in fairfield Kuli Yuga is alive
> > and well. 
> > 
> > "And thru the window of science we can see the dawn of
> > the age of enlightenment"
> 
> Sparaig has admitted to the fact that he does not always have time to 
> do his program - one reason being that he is so busy posting moronic 
> messages on FF Life.

That's not what he said.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

2006-08-08 Thread Sal Sunshine
Priorities, priorities.

Sal

On Aug 8, 2006, at 4:25 PM, ffia1120 wrote:

Sparaig has admitted to the fact that he does not always have time to 
do his program - one reason being that he is so busy posting moronic 
messages on FF Life.


[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

2006-08-08 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"
> >  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thank you for reproducing it, Robert.
> > > 
> > > I read the entire thing and I am of two minds.
> > > 
> > > One says that, hey, that's the Movement and in
> > this year 2006 why 
> > > would she be so surprised that they are acting
> > like this?  This
> > > mind says, yes, she SHOULD have lied.
> > > 
> > > The other mind is angry that the movement does not
> > respect its
> > > basic tenet that you can practise any religion and
> > still practise 
> > > TM...and visiting saints and doing all these other
> > techniques are 
> > > religions
> > 
> > You have a *very* odd definition of "religions."
> > 
> > > ...and as long as the people in the dome do the
> > dome 
> > > practise, what's the harm?
> > 
> > It seems to me the premise is that involvement
> > with other techniques and with saints is likely
> > to affect a person's practice of TM and the TM-
> > Sidhis in subtle ways, although the person might
> > not realize it.
> > 
> > Whether that's *true* or not, I don't know; and
> > it certainly appears that those who make the
> > decisions in individual cases tend to err way
> > too far on the side of caution.  But I think that's
> > the idea behind the ban.
> 
> But it would be interesting to hear MMY's direct take
> on it once he understood exactly what is going on.
> 

I'm inclined to think that this is an implimentation of MMY's directive, and 
likely not all 
that heavy-handed, either.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

2006-08-08 Thread ffia1120
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> By the response of Sparaig and some of these dome
> goers it is clear that in fairfield Kuli Yuga is alive
> and well. 
> 
> "And thru the window of science we can see the dawn of
> the age of enlightenment"

Sparaig has admitted to the fact that he does not always have time to 
do his program - one reason being that he is so busy posting moronic 
messages on FF Life.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

2006-08-08 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Thank you for reproducing it, Robert.
> > 
> > I read the entire thing and I am of two minds.
> > 
> > One says that, hey, that's the Movement and in this
> > year 2006 why 
> > would she be so surprised that they are acting like
> > this?  This mind 
> > says, yes, she SHOULD have lied.
> > 
> > The other mind is angry that the movement does not
> > respect its basic 
> > tenet that you can practise any religion and still
> > practise TM...and 
> > visiting saints and doing all these other techniques
> > are 
> > religions...and as long as the people in the dome do
> > the dome 
> > practise, what's the harm?
> 
> Yes, what is the harm? I don't think anyone has ever
> run this by MMY. It appears to be very much a strong
> attachment that the TMO has collectively. Like the
> Nazis and their Aryan race of "perfection." Same
> dynamic. 
> 



The guy who claimed that he was Shankaracharya of North America actively 
encouraged 
his folk to practice his techniques while people were in the domes.

Add to that the explicit warning that some techniques that are harmless for 
TMers are 
deemed harmful for TM-sidhas, and mix in a presumption that anyone who can't 
see that 
the TM-Sidhis large-group practice is best for evolution anyway (explicitly 
stated by MMY) 
is a bit off in their thinking (as was shown quite clearly by the woman whose 
letter was 
posted here) and you get a strong anti-other-techniques/saints attitude.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

2006-08-08 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> >  wrote:

> > > The other mind is angry that the movement does not respect its 
> > > basic tenet that you can practise any religion and still 
> > > practise TM...and visiting saints and doing all these other 
> > > techniques are religions...and as long as the people in the 
> > > dome do the dome practise, what's the harm?
> > 
> > Well, y'know, dome practice is more than TM
> 
> Uh, yeah, I guess then maybe that "more" is that it's a religion?

Er, no, the "more" is the TM-Sidhis.



> > and the deal with TM doesn't hold with the TM-
> > sidhis, and it was made clear that that was the case when you 
> first learned or it was clear 
> > when *I* first learned.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

2006-08-08 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
wrote:
> >
> > Thank you for reproducing it, Robert.
> > 
> > I read the entire thing and I am of two minds.
> > 
> > One says that, hey, that's the Movement and in this year 2006 
why 
> > would she be so surprised that they are acting like this?  This 
mind 
> > says, yes, she SHOULD have lied.
> > 
> > The other mind is angry that the movement does not respect its 
basic 
> > tenet that you can practise any religion and still practise 
TM...and 
> > visiting saints and doing all these other techniques are 
> > religions...and as long as the people in the dome do the dome 
> > practise, what's the harm?
> 
> Well, y'know, dome practice is more than TM




Uh, yeah, I guess then maybe that "more" is that it's a religion?




> and the deal with TM doesn't hold with the TM-
> sidhis, and it was made clear that that was the case when you 
first learned or it was clear 
> when *I* first learned.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

2006-08-08 Thread Peter
Ma Kali shreddin' the boundaries!

--- steven klayman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> By the response of Sparaig and some of these dome
> goers it is clear that in fairfield Kuli Yuga is
> alive
> and well. 
> 
> "And thru the window of science we can see the dawn
> of
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

2006-08-08 Thread steven klayman
By the response of Sparaig and some of these dome
goers it is clear that in fairfield Kuli Yuga is alive
and well. 

"And thru the window of science we can see the dawn of
the age of enlightenment"


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

2006-08-08 Thread Peter


--- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> on 8/8/06 9:00 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > 
> > They just have to start their own group flying
> program
> > like David Hawthorne did. People are only leaders
> > because other people follow them. Stop following
> the
> > TMO and start following MMY.
> > 
> Better yet, start following yourself ­ your own
> dharma. Those in the TMO
> think they are following MMY, and they may be.

Ha! Who knows?




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

2006-08-08 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'





on 8/8/06 9:00 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

They just have to start their own group flying program
like David Hawthorne did. People are only leaders
because other people follow them. Stop following the
TMO and start following MMY.

Better yet, start following yourself – your own dharma. Those in the TMO think they are following MMY, and they may be.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

2006-08-08 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > It seems to me the premise is that involvement
> > with other techniques and with saints is likely
> > to affect a person's practice of TM and the TM-
> > Sidhis in subtle ways, although the person might
> > not realize it.
> > 
> > Whether that's *true* or not, I don't know; and
> > it certainly appears that those who make the
> > decisions in individual cases tend to err way
> > too far on the side of caution.  But I think that's
> > the idea behind the ban.
> 
> But it would be interesting to hear MMY's direct take
> on it once he understood exactly what is going on.

Perhaps you don't get it, living still with some past fantasy.

MMY: "Why are you bringing this up again -- wasting precious time."
 then THE glance with slight nod to the handlers -- the
one meaning "have his suitcases packed and he and them in the van to
the airport within the hour.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

2006-08-08 Thread Peter


--- Robert Gimbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> ***Well, you could look at it another way:
> It could just be the 'ego's last stand',
> In other words, when something is about to fall, or
> end;
> It comes out almost exagerrated;
> So, this exaggerated behaviour, on both the woman's
> part,
> who wrote the letter;
> And the exagerrated response from the representative
> of the movement 
> sounds so absurd, that it will 'fall under it's own
> weight', so to 
> speak;
> Whenever a behavior pattern shifts, or any pattern
> for that matter;
> it seems to rear it's ugly head, greater than ever;
> And then seems to just collapse under it's own
> falsity, exposed.
> So, perhaps, this is what is happening not just
> here;
> In this example of the movement, and the politics of
> the movement.
> But in the politics,and political leadership, in all
> systems around 
> the world.
> So, interesting, and transformation times we live
> in.
> But the main thing is:
> Not to be afraid to challenge this old power
> structure;
> As it appears weak and ready to fall.
> R.G.

They just have to start their own group flying program
like David Hawthorne did. People are only leaders
because other people follow them. Stop following the
TMO and start following MMY.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

2006-08-08 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
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> 
> 
> --- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"
> >  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thank you for reproducing it, Robert.
> > > 
> > > I read the entire thing and I am of two minds.
> > > 
> > > One says that, hey, that's the Movement and in
> > this year 2006 why 
> > > would she be so surprised that they are acting
> > like this?  This
> > > mind says, yes, she SHOULD have lied.
> > > 
> > > The other mind is angry that the movement does not
> > respect its
> > > basic tenet that you can practise any religion and
> > still practise 
> > > TM...and visiting saints and doing all these other
> > techniques are 
> > > religions
> > 
> > You have a *very* odd definition of "religions."
> > 
> > > ...and as long as the people in the dome do the
> > dome 
> > > practise, what's the harm?
> > 
> > It seems to me the premise is that involvement
> > with other techniques and with saints is likely
> > to affect a person's practice of TM and the TM-
> > Sidhis in subtle ways, although the person might
> > not realize it.
> > 
> > Whether that's *true* or not, I don't know; and
> > it certainly appears that those who make the
> > decisions in individual cases tend to err way
> > too far on the side of caution.  But I think that's
> > the idea behind the ban.
> 
> But it would be interesting to hear MMY's direct take
> on it once he understood exactly what is going on.

Sure would.

It's not impossible these people are following his
instructions to the letter, i.e., no exceptions.
Maybe the subtlety factor is such that that's the
only way to be consistent when you have more than
one person making the decisions about whom to let
in.

I wonder if he realizes, though, that some people
are lying about other involvements, if what that
woman says is true.  Might be worse, in terms of
its effect, than the involvements themselves.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

2006-08-08 Thread Peter


--- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you for reproducing it, Robert.
> > 
> > I read the entire thing and I am of two minds.
> > 
> > One says that, hey, that's the Movement and in
> this year 2006 why 
> > would she be so surprised that they are acting
> like this?  This
> > mind says, yes, she SHOULD have lied.
> > 
> > The other mind is angry that the movement does not
> respect its
> > basic tenet that you can practise any religion and
> still practise 
> > TM...and visiting saints and doing all these other
> techniques are 
> > religions
> 
> You have a *very* odd definition of "religions."
> 
> > ...and as long as the people in the dome do the
> dome 
> > practise, what's the harm?
> 
> It seems to me the premise is that involvement
> with other techniques and with saints is likely
> to affect a person's practice of TM and the TM-
> Sidhis in subtle ways, although the person might
> not realize it.
> 
> Whether that's *true* or not, I don't know; and
> it certainly appears that those who make the
> decisions in individual cases tend to err way
> too far on the side of caution.  But I think that's
> the idea behind the ban.

But it would be interesting to hear MMY's direct take
on it once he understood exactly what is going on.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

2006-08-08 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Thank you for reproducing it, Robert.
> 
> I read the entire thing and I am of two minds.
> 
> One says that, hey, that's the Movement and in this year 2006 why 
> would she be so surprised that they are acting like this?  This
> mind says, yes, she SHOULD have lied.
> 
> The other mind is angry that the movement does not respect its
> basic tenet that you can practise any religion and still practise 
> TM...and visiting saints and doing all these other techniques are 
> religions

You have a *very* odd definition of "religions."

> ...and as long as the people in the dome do the dome 
> practise, what's the harm?

It seems to me the premise is that involvement
with other techniques and with saints is likely
to affect a person's practice of TM and the TM-
Sidhis in subtle ways, although the person might
not realize it.

Whether that's *true* or not, I don't know; and
it certainly appears that those who make the
decisions in individual cases tend to err way
too far on the side of caution.  But I think that's
the idea behind the ban.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

2006-08-08 Thread Peter


--- shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thank you for reproducing it, Robert.
> 
> I read the entire thing and I am of two minds.
> 
> One says that, hey, that's the Movement and in this
> year 2006 why 
> would she be so surprised that they are acting like
> this?  This mind 
> says, yes, she SHOULD have lied.
> 
> The other mind is angry that the movement does not
> respect its basic 
> tenet that you can practise any religion and still
> practise TM...and 
> visiting saints and doing all these other techniques
> are 
> religions...and as long as the people in the dome do
> the dome 
> practise, what's the harm?

Yes, what is the harm? I don't think anyone has ever
run this by MMY. It appears to be very much a strong
attachment that the TMO has collectively. Like the
Nazis and their Aryan race of "perfection." Same
dynamic. 




















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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

2006-08-08 Thread Robert Gimbel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Thank you for reproducing it, Robert.
> 
> I read the entire thing and I am of two minds.
> 
> One says that, hey, that's the Movement and in this year 2006 why 
> would she be so surprised that they are acting like this?  This 
mind 
> says, yes, she SHOULD have lied.
> 
> The other mind is angry that the movement does not respect its 
basic 
> tenet that you can practise any religion and still practise 
TM...and 
> visiting saints and doing all these other techniques are 
> religions...and as long as the people in the dome do the dome 
> practise, what's the harm?

Yes let's see?

Well,
 I guess you could be of one of three(3) school(s) of [thought];

On this issue:

1. That this controlling behaviour is not good for the movement and 
a 'French Stle Revolution, is in order...

2. That this is 'Much Adu, about nothin', and please everone just 
calm down and go back to sleep.

3. 'ALL THIS IS THAT PURNAMADAM PRURNAMADA' ( no problem's man!)
R.G.

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 

>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "My Dome Rejection" From Shiva Ma Ryan 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > FWD:From Shiva Ma Ryan, "My Dome Rejection"
> > > > Please share this letter I wrote to John Hagelin with anyone 
> you
> > > > think
> > > > may benefit from it.
> > > > All Love,
> > > > Shiva Ma
> > > > 
> > > > My Dome rejection
> > > > 
> > > > Shiva Ma Ryan to John Hagelin
> > > > 
> > > > Reading Post # 108732
> > was really disturbing;
> > > > What gives someone the right, to manipulate another like this.
> > > > I'm sure it's not the fault of Jeff Cohen, as he is 'Just 
> > > following 
> > > > orders'.
> > > > Orders sound more like Bevan's policy.
> > > > Anyway, it just reminds me of a totalitarian state, or a 
> Facist 
> > > > regime, or something not good.
> > > > No wonder the atmostphere, is not as it could be.
> > > > Stiffled and compressed; fear mongering, and control.
> > > > Why, is the only question to ask? why?
> > > >
> > ***I can't get no satisfaction 
> > 
> > post # 108732 has no letter in it.
> > 
> > 
> > ***> Sorry the post # was 108731, but here it is:
> > "My Dome Rejection" From Shiva Ma Ryan  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > *** FWD:From Shiva Ma Ryan, "My Dome Rejection"
> > Please share this letter I wrote to John Hagelin with anyone you
> > think
> > may benefit from it.
> > All Love,
> > Shiva Ma
> > 
> > My Dome rejection
> > 
> > Shiva Ma Ryan to John Hagelin
> > 
> > Aug 2 (5 days ago)
> > 
> > Dear John,
> > I was told to e-mail you if I had any trouble getting accepted at 
> the
> > dome. Hence this letter to you, because I have been faced with 
one 
> of
> > the most difficult choices of my life. John will you PLEASE share
> > this
> > letter with Maharishi, as I want Him to know "THE REAL TRUTH" 
about
> > what has happened in Fairfield. Please read everything I have 
> written
> > in this e-mail John, I have tried to be as honest and 
as "TRUTHFUL"
> > as
> > I can. I also have suggestions at the end of this e-mail, that may
> > benefit EVERYONE!
> > 
> > When I applied for the course, I was told I would need more time 
to
> > be
> > processed. I knew I probably would not get an immediate 
acceptance,
> > because a few years ago I applied and was asked if I practiced any
> > techniques other than Maharishi's. I went to India with a GREAT 
> saint
> > from Asam, India, Shree Maa, in 1999, and I told the man 
> questioning
> > me "I had experienced EVERYTHING that India had to offer, and that
> > what I learned in private, I kept private. I had asked the 
question
> > to
> > over 600 people that I initiated, back in the 
> seventies: "Everything
> > we learn in private, we keep private. Do you agree?" This answer
> > seemed the most truthful and appropriate to me, yet I was not
> > accepted then for the dome.
> > 
> > This past Saturday July 29th, I was encouraged by my sister and
> > brother-in law and several friends at a birthday party, that I 
> should
> > apply now for the dome, because they were accepting EVERYONE!
> > Regardless of past associations with saints or other techniques, I
> > was
> > told EVERYONE was WELCOME BACK!!! The words "All sins would be
> > forgiven" were used. Those words deeply pinched my heart. I have
> > never
> > considered spending time with Fully Awakened Divine Beings a sin. 
I
> > have been incredibly fortunate to travel with many saints over the
> > last twelve years. Each ONE I always experienced as MAHARISHI. 
Each
> > ONE, that I was BLESSED by, deepened my INCREDIBLE LOVE, RESPECT 
> and
> > ETERNAL GRATITUDE to Maharishi for all that He had given me in the
> > past. Maharishi was my FIRST GURU!!! Yet Maharishi became
> > inaccessible to me. The last time I saw Him was at The 7000 
Course 
> in
> > 1983. My he

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

2006-08-08 Thread nablus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
 wrote:
> >
> > "My Dome Rejection" From Shiva Ma Ryan 
> > 
> > 
> > FWD:From Shiva Ma Ryan, "My Dome Rejection"
> > Please share this letter I wrote to John Hagelin with anyone you
> > think
> > may benefit from it.
> > All Love,
> > Shiva Ma
> > 
> > My Dome rejection
> > 
> > Shiva Ma Ryan to John Hagelin
> > 
> > Reading Post # 108732, was really disturbing;
> > What gives someone the right, to manipulate another like this.
> > I'm sure it's not the fault of Jeff Cohen, as he is 'Just 
following 
> > orders'.
> > Orders sound more like Bevan's policy.
> > Anyway, it just reminds me of a totalitarian state, or a Facist 
> > regime, or something not good.
> > No wonder the atmostphere, is not as it could be.
> > Stiffled and compressed; fear mongering, and control.
> > Why, is the only question to ask? why?
> >
> 
> The screening process worked quite well in her case...

Agreed ! :-)
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

2006-08-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Thank you for reproducing it, Robert.
> 
> I read the entire thing and I am of two minds.
> 
> One says that, hey, that's the Movement and in this year 2006 why 
> would she be so surprised that they are acting like this?  This mind 
> says, yes, she SHOULD have lied.
> 
> The other mind is angry that the movement does not respect its basic 
> tenet that you can practise any religion and still practise TM...and 
> visiting saints and doing all these other techniques are 
> religions...and as long as the people in the dome do the dome 
> practise, what's the harm?

Well, y'know, dome practice is more than TM and the deal with TM doesn't hold 
with the TM-
sidhis, and it was made clear that that was the case when you first learned or 
it was clear 
when *I* first learned.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

2006-08-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "My Dome Rejection" From Shiva Ma Ryan 
> 
> 
> FWD:From Shiva Ma Ryan, "My Dome Rejection"
> Please share this letter I wrote to John Hagelin with anyone you
> think
> may benefit from it.
> All Love,
> Shiva Ma
> 
> My Dome rejection
> 
> Shiva Ma Ryan to John Hagelin
> 
> Reading Post # 108732, was really disturbing;
> What gives someone the right, to manipulate another like this.
> I'm sure it's not the fault of Jeff Cohen, as he is 'Just following 
> orders'.
> Orders sound more like Bevan's policy.
> Anyway, it just reminds me of a totalitarian state, or a Facist 
> regime, or something not good.
> No wonder the atmostphere, is not as it could be.
> Stiffled and compressed; fear mongering, and control.
> Why, is the only question to ask? why?
>

The screening process worked quite well in her case...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

2006-08-07 Thread shempmcgurk
Thank you for reproducing it, Robert.

I read the entire thing and I am of two minds.

One says that, hey, that's the Movement and in this year 2006 why 
would she be so surprised that they are acting like this?  This mind 
says, yes, she SHOULD have lied.

The other mind is angry that the movement does not respect its basic 
tenet that you can practise any religion and still practise TM...and 
visiting saints and doing all these other techniques are 
religions...and as long as the people in the dome do the dome 
practise, what's the harm?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > "My Dome Rejection" From Shiva Ma Ryan 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > FWD:From Shiva Ma Ryan, "My Dome Rejection"
> > > Please share this letter I wrote to John Hagelin with anyone 
you
> > > think
> > > may benefit from it.
> > > All Love,
> > > Shiva Ma
> > > 
> > > My Dome rejection
> > > 
> > > Shiva Ma Ryan to John Hagelin
> > > 
> > > Reading Post # 108732
> was really disturbing;
> > > What gives someone the right, to manipulate another like this.
> > > I'm sure it's not the fault of Jeff Cohen, as he is 'Just 
> > following 
> > > orders'.
> > > Orders sound more like Bevan's policy.
> > > Anyway, it just reminds me of a totalitarian state, or a 
Facist 
> > > regime, or something not good.
> > > No wonder the atmostphere, is not as it could be.
> > > Stiffled and compressed; fear mongering, and control.
> > > Why, is the only question to ask? why?
> > >
> ***I can't get no satisfaction 
> 
> post # 108732 has no letter in it.
> 
> 
> ***> Sorry the post # was 108731, but here it is:
> "My Dome Rejection" From Shiva Ma Ryan  
> 
> 
> 
> *** FWD:From Shiva Ma Ryan, "My Dome Rejection"
> Please share this letter I wrote to John Hagelin with anyone you
> think
> may benefit from it.
> All Love,
> Shiva Ma
> 
> My Dome rejection
> 
> Shiva Ma Ryan to John Hagelin
> 
> Aug 2 (5 days ago)
> 
> Dear John,
> I was told to e-mail you if I had any trouble getting accepted at 
the
> dome. Hence this letter to you, because I have been faced with one 
of
> the most difficult choices of my life. John will you PLEASE share
> this
> letter with Maharishi, as I want Him to know "THE REAL TRUTH" about
> what has happened in Fairfield. Please read everything I have 
written
> in this e-mail John, I have tried to be as honest and as "TRUTHFUL"
> as
> I can. I also have suggestions at the end of this e-mail, that may
> benefit EVERYONE!
> 
> When I applied for the course, I was told I would need more time to
> be
> processed. I knew I probably would not get an immediate acceptance,
> because a few years ago I applied and was asked if I practiced any
> techniques other than Maharishi's. I went to India with a GREAT 
saint
> from Asam, India, Shree Maa, in 1999, and I told the man 
questioning
> me "I had experienced EVERYTHING that India had to offer, and that
> what I learned in private, I kept private. I had asked the question
> to
> over 600 people that I initiated, back in the 
seventies: "Everything
> we learn in private, we keep private. Do you agree?" This answer
> seemed the most truthful and appropriate to me, yet I was not
> accepted then for the dome.
> 
> This past Saturday July 29th, I was encouraged by my sister and
> brother-in law and several friends at a birthday party, that I 
should
> apply now for the dome, because they were accepting EVERYONE!
> Regardless of past associations with saints or other techniques, I
> was
> told EVERYONE was WELCOME BACK!!! The words "All sins would be
> forgiven" were used. Those words deeply pinched my heart. I have
> never
> considered spending time with Fully Awakened Divine Beings a sin. I
> have been incredibly fortunate to travel with many saints over the
> last twelve years. Each ONE I always experienced as MAHARISHI. Each
> ONE, that I was BLESSED by, deepened my INCREDIBLE LOVE, RESPECT 
and
> ETERNAL GRATITUDE to Maharishi for all that He had given me in the
> past. Maharishi was my FIRST GURU!!! Yet Maharishi became
> inaccessible to me. The last time I saw Him was at The 7000 Course 
in
> 1983. My heart was longing for him, So I felt that one by one He
> started sending different saints to BLESS ME!!! Over the years, I
> have received the GRACE and BLESSINGS from over 15 different saints
> that have visited Fairfield since 1997. In 1994 my first GREAT
> BLESSING was from MOTHER MEERA, in Germany. She changed my life
> forever... I have had the GREAT fortune of traveling with many of
> these DIVINE BEINGS. I am so GRATEFUL for the Love and Grace I have
> been given from these PURE DIVINE MANIFESTATIONS of Gods and
> Goddess's.
> 
> I want to offer my HUMBLEST GRATITUDE to Maharishi for always
> remaining in my HEART of HEARTS, since November 19, 1971. I will be
> in
> HIS ETERNAL DEBT for the GRACE 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

2006-08-07 Thread Robert Gimbel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hyperbolicgeometry" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "My Dome Rejection" From Shiva Ma Ryan 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > FWD:From Shiva Ma Ryan, "My Dome Rejection"
> > > > Please share this letter I wrote to John Hagelin with anyone 
> you
> > > > think
> > > > may benefit from it.
> > > > All Love,
> > > > Shiva Ma
> > > > 
> > > > My Dome rejection
> > > > 
> > > > Shiva Ma Ryan to John Hagelin
> > > > 
> > > > Reading Post # 108732, was really disturbing;
> > > > What gives someone the right, to manipulate another like this.
> > > > I'm sure it's not the fault of Jeff Cohen, as he is 'Just 
> > > following 
> > > > orders'.
> > > > Orders sound more like Bevan's policy.
> > > > Anyway, it just reminds me of a totalitarian state, or a 
> Facist 
> > > > regime, or something not good.
> > > > No wonder the atmostphere, is not as it could be.
> > > > Stiffled and compressed; fear mongering, and control.
> > > > Why, is the only question to ask? why?
> > > >
> > > Her tiny little ego is just crying out to continue its illusion 
> > > of 'staying alive', in the face of its pending annihilation. 
Not 
> a 
> > > bad thing really..
> > .
> > >rephrase the above: "The TMO ego is just crying out to continue 
> its 
> > illusion of "staying alive" in the face of its pending 
> annihilation.  
> > Not a bad thing, really..."
> > Rest in Peace, TMO...it's about time!...upon its well-deserved 
> > demise, such people (as the contributor in question) will feel no 
> > misgivings since attachments to the TMO...(and whatever entities 
> that 
> > entails: the dome, MMY, Bevan, tweaked statistics, 
dishonesty...), 
> > will conveniently no longer exist. Poof! Cheshire cat gone. 
> > abilsincludilias the conpeo0pl final
> >
> 
> and so the TMO's 'transgressions' grow stronger in your awareness, 
> eh? Exactly the opposite of what you wanted...



***Well, you could look at it another way:
It could just be the 'ego's last stand',
In other words, when something is about to fall, or end;
It comes out almost exagerrated;
So, this exaggerated behaviour, on both the woman's part,
who wrote the letter;
And the exagerrated response from the representative of the movement 
sounds so absurd, that it will 'fall under it's own weight', so to 
speak;
Whenever a behavior pattern shifts, or any pattern for that matter;
it seems to rear it's ugly head, greater than ever;
And then seems to just collapse under it's own falsity, exposed.
So, perhaps, this is what is happening not just here;
In this example of the movement, and the politics of the movement.
But in the politics,and political leadership, in all systems around 
the world.
So, interesting, and transformation times we live in.
But the main thing is:
Not to be afraid to challenge this old power structure;
As it appears weak and ready to fall.
R.G.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

2006-08-07 Thread Robert Gimbel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > "My Dome Rejection" From Shiva Ma Ryan 
> > 
> > 
> > FWD:From Shiva Ma Ryan, "My Dome Rejection"
> > Please share this letter I wrote to John Hagelin with anyone you
> > think
> > may benefit from it.
> > All Love,
> > Shiva Ma
> > 
> > My Dome rejection
> > 
> > Shiva Ma Ryan to John Hagelin
> > 
> > Reading Post # 108732
was really disturbing;
> > What gives someone the right, to manipulate another like this.
> > I'm sure it's not the fault of Jeff Cohen, as he is 'Just 
> following 
> > orders'.
> > Orders sound more like Bevan's policy.
> > Anyway, it just reminds me of a totalitarian state, or a Facist 
> > regime, or something not good.
> > No wonder the atmostphere, is not as it could be.
> > Stiffled and compressed; fear mongering, and control.
> > Why, is the only question to ask? why?
> >
***I can't get no satisfaction 

post # 108732 has no letter in it.


***> Sorry the post # was 108731, but here it is:
"My Dome Rejection" From Shiva Ma Ryan  



*** FWD:From Shiva Ma Ryan, "My Dome Rejection"
Please share this letter I wrote to John Hagelin with anyone you
think
may benefit from it.
All Love,
Shiva Ma

My Dome rejection

Shiva Ma Ryan to John Hagelin

Aug 2 (5 days ago)

Dear John,
I was told to e-mail you if I had any trouble getting accepted at the
dome. Hence this letter to you, because I have been faced with one of
the most difficult choices of my life. John will you PLEASE share
this
letter with Maharishi, as I want Him to know "THE REAL TRUTH" about
what has happened in Fairfield. Please read everything I have written
in this e-mail John, I have tried to be as honest and as "TRUTHFUL"
as
I can. I also have suggestions at the end of this e-mail, that may
benefit EVERYONE!

When I applied for the course, I was told I would need more time to
be
processed. I knew I probably would not get an immediate acceptance,
because a few years ago I applied and was asked if I practiced any
techniques other than Maharishi's. I went to India with a GREAT saint
from Asam, India, Shree Maa, in 1999, and I told the man questioning
me "I had experienced EVERYTHING that India had to offer, and that
what I learned in private, I kept private. I had asked the question
to
over 600 people that I initiated, back in the seventies: "Everything
we learn in private, we keep private. Do you agree?" This answer
seemed the most truthful and appropriate to me, yet I was not
accepted then for the dome.

This past Saturday July 29th, I was encouraged by my sister and
brother-in law and several friends at a birthday party, that I should
apply now for the dome, because they were accepting EVERYONE!
Regardless of past associations with saints or other techniques, I
was
told EVERYONE was WELCOME BACK!!! The words "All sins would be
forgiven" were used. Those words deeply pinched my heart. I have
never
considered spending time with Fully Awakened Divine Beings a sin. I
have been incredibly fortunate to travel with many saints over the
last twelve years. Each ONE I always experienced as MAHARISHI. Each
ONE, that I was BLESSED by, deepened my INCREDIBLE LOVE, RESPECT and
ETERNAL GRATITUDE to Maharishi for all that He had given me in the
past. Maharishi was my FIRST GURU!!! Yet Maharishi became
inaccessible to me. The last time I saw Him was at The 7000 Course in
1983. My heart was longing for him, So I felt that one by one He
started sending different saints to BLESS ME!!! Over the years, I
have received the GRACE and BLESSINGS from over 15 different saints
that have visited Fairfield since 1997. In 1994 my first GREAT
BLESSING was from MOTHER MEERA, in Germany. She changed my life
forever... I have had the GREAT fortune of traveling with many of
these DIVINE BEINGS. I am so GRATEFUL for the Love and Grace I have
been given from these PURE DIVINE MANIFESTATIONS of Gods and
Goddess's.

I want to offer my HUMBLEST GRATITUDE to Maharishi for always
remaining in my HEART of HEARTS, since November 19, 1971. I will be
in
HIS ETERNAL DEBT for the GRACE HE SHOWERED upon me over and over
again
throughout all these years. JAI GURU DEV MAHARISHI! I LOVE YOU SO
MUCH.

At the course office, Jeff Cohen was so sweet and kind to me on the
phone, going over the guidelines for acceptance for the course.
However the words he used when telling me what I needed to do, to get
my badge, still penetrate me like millions of daggers in my HEART. I
have not been able to shake them. {Please ask Maharishi to help me
with this.} He said I would be able to get my badge if: "I SEVERED
any connection I had with any saints and SEVERED the use of any
techniques that they had taught me, and that I would NEVER establish
a
connection with them again or practice any other techniques other
than
Maharishi's, EVER AGAIN. And that I had to put all of this in
writing,
promising that I would do this. For GOD'S SAKE, 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

2006-08-07 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hyperbolicgeometry" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > "My Dome Rejection" From Shiva Ma Ryan 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > FWD:From Shiva Ma Ryan, "My Dome Rejection"
> > > Please share this letter I wrote to John Hagelin with anyone 
you
> > > think
> > > may benefit from it.
> > > All Love,
> > > Shiva Ma
> > > 
> > > My Dome rejection
> > > 
> > > Shiva Ma Ryan to John Hagelin
> > > 
> > > Reading Post # 108732, was really disturbing;
> > > What gives someone the right, to manipulate another like this.
> > > I'm sure it's not the fault of Jeff Cohen, as he is 'Just 
> > following 
> > > orders'.
> > > Orders sound more like Bevan's policy.
> > > Anyway, it just reminds me of a totalitarian state, or a 
Facist 
> > > regime, or something not good.
> > > No wonder the atmostphere, is not as it could be.
> > > Stiffled and compressed; fear mongering, and control.
> > > Why, is the only question to ask? why?
> > >
> > Her tiny little ego is just crying out to continue its illusion 
> > of 'staying alive', in the face of its pending annihilation. Not 
a 
> > bad thing really..
> .
> >rephrase the above: "The TMO ego is just crying out to continue 
its 
> illusion of "staying alive" in the face of its pending 
annihilation.  
> Not a bad thing, really..."
> Rest in Peace, TMO...it's about time!...upon its well-deserved 
> demise, such people (as the contributor in question) will feel no 
> misgivings since attachments to the TMO...(and whatever entities 
that 
> entails: the dome, MMY, Bevan, tweaked statistics, dishonesty...), 
> will conveniently no longer exist. Poof! Cheshire cat gone. 
> abilsincludilias the conpeo0pl final
>

and so the TMO's 'transgressions' grow stronger in your awareness, 
eh? Exactly the opposite of what you wanted...





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

2006-08-07 Thread Peter


--- hyperbolicgeometry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> .
> >rephrase the above: "The TMO ego is just crying out
> to continue its 
> illusion of "staying alive" in the face of its
> pending annihilation.  
> Not a bad thing, really..."
> Rest in Peace, TMO...it's about time!...upon its
> well-deserved 
> demise, such people (as the contributor in question)
> will feel no 
> misgivings since attachments to the TMO...(and
> whatever entities that 
> entails: the dome, MMY, Bevan, tweaked statistics,
> dishonesty...), 
> will conveniently no longer exist. Poof! Cheshire
> cat gone. 
> abilsincludilias the conpeo0pl final

And that is MMY's master plan! A total collapse of
everything into nothingness. No attachments, just pure
shiva.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

2006-08-07 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "My Dome Rejection" From Shiva Ma Ryan 
> 
> 
> FWD:From Shiva Ma Ryan, "My Dome Rejection"
> Please share this letter I wrote to John Hagelin with anyone you
> think
> may benefit from it.
> All Love,
> Shiva Ma
> 
> My Dome rejection
> 
> Shiva Ma Ryan to John Hagelin
> 
> Reading Post # 108732





I can't get no satisfaction.

post # 108732 has no letter in it.






>, was really disturbing;
> What gives someone the right, to manipulate another like this.
> I'm sure it's not the fault of Jeff Cohen, as he is 'Just 
following 
> orders'.
> Orders sound more like Bevan's policy.
> Anyway, it just reminds me of a totalitarian state, or a Facist 
> regime, or something not good.
> No wonder the atmostphere, is not as it could be.
> Stiffled and compressed; fear mongering, and control.
> Why, is the only question to ask? why?
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

2006-08-07 Thread hyperbolicgeometry
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > "My Dome Rejection" From Shiva Ma Ryan 
> > 
> > 
> > FWD:From Shiva Ma Ryan, "My Dome Rejection"
> > Please share this letter I wrote to John Hagelin with anyone you
> > think
> > may benefit from it.
> > All Love,
> > Shiva Ma
> > 
> > My Dome rejection
> > 
> > Shiva Ma Ryan to John Hagelin
> > 
> > Reading Post # 108732, was really disturbing;
> > What gives someone the right, to manipulate another like this.
> > I'm sure it's not the fault of Jeff Cohen, as he is 'Just 
> following 
> > orders'.
> > Orders sound more like Bevan's policy.
> > Anyway, it just reminds me of a totalitarian state, or a Facist 
> > regime, or something not good.
> > No wonder the atmostphere, is not as it could be.
> > Stiffled and compressed; fear mongering, and control.
> > Why, is the only question to ask? why?
> >
> Her tiny little ego is just crying out to continue its illusion 
> of 'staying alive', in the face of its pending annihilation. Not a 
> bad thing really..
.
>rephrase the above: "The TMO ego is just crying out to continue its 
illusion of "staying alive" in the face of its pending annihilation.  
Not a bad thing, really..."
Rest in Peace, TMO...it's about time!...upon its well-deserved 
demise, such people (as the contributor in question) will feel no 
misgivings since attachments to the TMO...(and whatever entities that 
entails: the dome, MMY, Bevan, tweaked statistics, dishonesty...), 
will conveniently no longer exist. Poof! Cheshire cat gone. 
abilsincludilias the conpeo0pl final






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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

2006-08-07 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "My Dome Rejection" From Shiva Ma Ryan 
> 
> 
> FWD:From Shiva Ma Ryan, "My Dome Rejection"
> Please share this letter I wrote to John Hagelin with anyone you
> think
> may benefit from it.
> All Love,
> Shiva Ma
> 
> My Dome rejection
> 
> Shiva Ma Ryan to John Hagelin
> 
> Reading Post # 108732, was really disturbing;
> What gives someone the right, to manipulate another like this.
> I'm sure it's not the fault of Jeff Cohen, as he is 'Just 
following 
> orders'.
> Orders sound more like Bevan's policy.
> Anyway, it just reminds me of a totalitarian state, or a Facist 
> regime, or something not good.
> No wonder the atmostphere, is not as it could be.
> Stiffled and compressed; fear mongering, and control.
> Why, is the only question to ask? why?
>
Her tiny little ego is just crying out to continue its illusion 
of 'staying alive', in the face of its pending annihilation. Not a 
bad thing really...





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