[FairfieldLife] Re: Are any Purusha enlightened? was: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Maharishi has characterized enlightenment as 24 hours bliss, > > And that is an interesting definition. > > Peter says "bliss is dumb", which I assume is his experience, so I > wonder if that means that, per Maharishi, that the enlightened are > dumb 24 hours a day? > > My experience of bliss is that it is whole, complete, the essence of > satisfying, enveloping, vastly and deeply playful, knowing, powerful > and silent -- but not dumb. Maybe its a differnt bliss than Peter's. > Many paths many moutains perhaps. Process is product and all. > > And to me, in my experience -- "bliss right now" (and as you say > whether its permanent is another issue and in some ways irrelevant if > its "Here Now" ) -- that experience precludes anger, grumpiness, > ownershipness, and any feeling of needing to be "right". >>> Yes, and also, if the experience dissipates for a while, the memory of it (if it was often enough, and definate), is enough to quell one's attachment to other things that might make one angry etc. Just the memory of it and knowing that it will come again in ever increasing time-periods is enough to cause patience and keeping the big picture when external stress gets on top of you. Amazing really. The experience is so convincing that even when it is not present, having experienced it at all...is a great gift. (I've been feeling pretty blissful lately though) OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are any Purusha enlightened? was: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Maharishi has characterized enlightenment as 24 hours bliss, And that is an interesting definition. Peter says "bliss is dumb", which I assume is his experience, so I wonder if that means that, per Maharishi, that the enlightened are dumb 24 hours a day? My experience of bliss is that it is whole, complete, the essence of satisfying, enveloping, vastly and deeply playful, knowing, powerful and silent -- but not dumb. Maybe its a differnt bliss than Peter's. Many paths many moutains perhaps. Process is product and all. And to me, in my experience -- "bliss right now" (and as you say whether its permanent is another issue and in some ways irrelevant if its "Here Now" ) -- that experience precludes anger, grumpiness, ownershipness, and any feeling of needing to be "right". Yet virtually all of the "enlightened" -- the ones in "24 hours in bliss" -- per Mharishi's definition -- on this list, appear to experience and express such, at least from time to time. (Though "appear" is key since what can one really tell from words alone, without actually knowing a perons and being presnet with them.) I know the oft-repeated responses, "And what does anger have to do with Consciousness, really?" I guess my response is "And what does 'Bliss Right Now' have to do with anger and grumpiness?" Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are any Purusha enlightened? was: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > on 1/4/06 12:19 PM, a_non_moose_ff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > >> They're living a monastic life, and are really doing it. They > > > meditate for a > > >> living. Sponsors support them. Most of them have been doing it for > > > decades. > > > > > > How many of them has Maharishi proclaimed as fully enlightened? > > > > The only person I've ever heard him say that about is Tony Nader. > > Interesting. That appears to be instructive. Either Maharishi > > i) doesn't find a value in proclaiming his students enlightened, or > > ii) per his standards, few or none actually are. > > Makes one wonder if MMY is so wrong and the 100s of FF self- proclaimed > are so correct.>> Maharishi has characterized enlightenment as 24 hours bliss, which, as long as Purusha stay on Purusha, many of them seem to be in, and are happy and blissful 24 hours a day. Maybe it is not permanent yet, but anyone on these boards would be very happy to be in that state, and would not ask much about "When will I get enlightened" . It becomes a moot point (no pun intended:). OffWorld OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are any Purusha enlightened? was: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Jan 4, 2006, at 3:12 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> on 1/4/06 12:19 PM, a_non_moose_ff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> > > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > >>> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > They're living a monastic life, and are really doing it. They > > > > >>> meditate for a > > >>> > > living. Sponsors support them. Most of them have been doing it > > > > > for > > > > > >>> decades. > > >>> > > >>> How many of them has Maharishi proclaimed as fully enlightened? > > >>> > > >> > > >> The only person I've ever heard him say that about is Tony Nader. > > >> > > > > > > But, of course if MMY hasn't proclaimed someone > > > enlightened, they can't possibly *be* enlightened, > > > right? Apparently as far as Vaj is concerned, MMY's > > > would be the final word on whether a person is > > > enlightened or not. > > > > > > I mean, otherwise why would Vaj even ask? > > > > > > It's odd, though, because somehow I had gotten > > > the impression that Vaj doesn't think all that > > > highly of MMY's state of consciousness or just > > > general discernment. I guess I must have been > > > mistaken. > > > > None of these quotes come from me Judy. > > You're quite right, Vaj, my apologies. > > My above comments are hereby redirected to a_non_moose, > to whom they also apply. Apply in some odd speculative and assumption filled area of your mind perhaps, not reality. See my other posts. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are any Purusha enlightened? was: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jan 4, 2006, at 3:12 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> > >> on 1/4/06 12:19 PM, a_non_moose_ff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > >>> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >>> wrote: > >>> > They're living a monastic life, and are really doing it. They > > >>> meditate for a > >>> > living. Sponsors support them. Most of them have been doing it > > > for > > > >>> decades. > >>> > >>> How many of them has Maharishi proclaimed as fully enlightened? > >>> > >> > >> The only person I've ever heard him say that about is Tony Nader. > >> > > > > But, of course if MMY hasn't proclaimed someone > > enlightened, they can't possibly *be* enlightened, > > right? Apparently as far as Vaj is concerned, MMY's > > would be the final word on whether a person is > > enlightened or not. > > > > I mean, otherwise why would Vaj even ask? > > > > It's odd, though, because somehow I had gotten > > the impression that Vaj doesn't think all that > > highly of MMY's state of consciousness or just > > general discernment. I guess I must have been > > mistaken. > > None of these quotes come from me Judy. You're quite right, Vaj, my apologies. My above comments are hereby redirected to a_non_moose, to whom they also apply. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are any Purusha enlightened? was: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
On Jan 4, 2006, at 3:12 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: on 1/4/06 12:19 PM, a_non_moose_ff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: They're living a monastic life, and are really doing it. They meditate for a living. Sponsors support them. Most of them have been doing it for decades. How many of them has Maharishi proclaimed as fully enlightened? The only person I've ever heard him say that about is Tony Nader. But, of course if MMY hasn't proclaimed someone enlightened, they can't possibly *be* enlightened, right? Apparently as far as Vaj is concerned, MMY's would be the final word on whether a person is enlightened or not. I mean, otherwise why would Vaj even ask? It's odd, though, because somehow I had gotten the impression that Vaj doesn't think all that highly of MMY's state of consciousness or just general discernment. I guess I must have been mistaken. None of these quotes come from me Judy. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are any Purusha enlightened? was: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 1/4/06 12:19 PM, a_non_moose_ff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > >> They're living a monastic life, and are really doing it. They > > meditate for a > >> living. Sponsors support them. Most of them have been doing it for > > decades. > > > > How many of them has Maharishi proclaimed as fully enlightened? > > The only person I've ever heard him say that about is Tony Nader. But, of course if MMY hasn't proclaimed someone enlightened, they can't possibly *be* enlightened, right? Apparently as far as Vaj is concerned, MMY's would be the final word on whether a person is enlightened or not. I mean, otherwise why would Vaj even ask? It's odd, though, because somehow I had gotten the impression that Vaj doesn't think all that highly of MMY's state of consciousness or just general discernment. I guess I must have been mistaken. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are any Purusha enlightened? was: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
He was just buttering em up so he could squeeze more $$ out. :) Sal On Jan 4, 2006, at 1:39 PM, Rick Archer wrote: OTOH, MMY often used the phrase "already enlightened" with reference to Governors.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are any Purusha enlightened? was: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
on 1/4/06 1:19 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> > > Depends on your definition of enlightened. MMY has said that there > are plenty of people whose state of CC is very mature, but that's not > the same as saying they're fully in CC. Also, MMY's definition of > genuine Unity includes the ability to float, and I'm not sure he's > implied that Tony Nader is at that point. OTOH, MMY often used the phrase "already enlightened" with reference to Governors. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are any Purusha enlightened? was: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
on 1/4/06 1:11 PM, a_non_moose_ff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> >>> How many of them has Maharishi proclaimed as fully enlightened? >> >> The only person I've ever heard him say that about is Tony Nader. > > Interesting. That appears to be instructive. Either Maharishi > > i) doesn't find a value in proclaiming his students enlightened, or > > ii) per his standards, few or none actually are. > > Makes one wonder if MMY is so wrong and the 100s of FF self-proclaimed > are so correct. I have to admit that I think Amma would agree with him on both points. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are any Purusha enlightened? was: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > on 1/4/06 12:19 PM, a_non_moose_ff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > >> They're living a monastic life, and are really doing it. They > > > meditate for a > > >> living. Sponsors support them. Most of them have been doing it for > > > decades. > > > > > > How many of them has Maharishi proclaimed as fully enlightened? > > > > The only person I've ever heard him say that about is Tony Nader. > > Interesting. That appears to be instructive. Either Maharishi > > i) doesn't find a value in proclaiming his students enlightened, or > > ii) per his standards, few or none actually are. > > Makes one wonder if MMY is so wrong and the 100s of FF self- proclaimed > are so correct. > Depends on your definition of enlightened. MMY has said that there are plenty of people whose state of CC is very mature, but that's not the same as saying they're fully in CC. Also, MMY's definition of genuine Unity includes the ability to float, and I'm not sure he's implied that Tony Nader is at that point. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are any Purusha enlightened? was: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 1/4/06 12:19 PM, a_non_moose_ff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > >> They're living a monastic life, and are really doing it. They > > meditate for a > >> living. Sponsors support them. Most of them have been doing it for > > decades. > > > > How many of them has Maharishi proclaimed as fully enlightened? > > The only person I've ever heard him say that about is Tony Nader. Interesting. That appears to be instructive. Either Maharishi i) doesn't find a value in proclaiming his students enlightened, or ii) per his standards, few or none actually are. Makes one wonder if MMY is so wrong and the 100s of FF self-proclaimed are so correct. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
