[FairfieldLife] Re: How do you tune your guitar?

2006-08-30 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > curtisdeltablues@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Great details Spraig.  Thanks.   I was definitely 
> > >preaching to the choir on classical guitars, you obviously 
> > >know a lot more about them. I was particularly interested 
> > >in the detail about Segovia not performing with older guitars. 
> > >
> > Segovia apparently DID play one guitar for 25 years...
> 
> Phew! These spaniards are made of stern stuff. Presumably
> takeaways were delivered and used a chemical toilet.
>

One guitar, not one sitting.

OTOH, just before his first public concert in Madrid, he would practice 
non-stop until he 
collapsed or his friends smanaged to get him to take a break so he could eat.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: How do you tune your guitar?

2006-08-30 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  
> wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > (Sorry, I'm not sure about the terminology
> > > in English)
> > > 
> > > If I do the basic, 5th (4th) fret E-tuning, by
> > > listening to the interference,
> > > and then hit some (arpeggio) chord, like E major, 
> > > the G-string sounds to me to be somehow off. But because
> > > I'm rather tone deaf, I'm not sure if that's
> > > really the case. What kind of other methods
> > > of tuning are there?
> > >
> > 
> > There are electronic tuners available but they all have drawbacks, 
> I suspect.
> > 
> > No guitar is perfect and all guitarists eventually learn to tweak 
> teh tuning for whatever music 
> > they are playing. You should have seen Segovia! He would tune the 
> guitar WHILE playing a 
> > piece, without missing a note.
> >
> 
> I believe Hendrix also needed to tune often during
> playing because he used the whammy bar and bending 
> so forcefully. 
> It might be that mathematically gifted people, like
> yourself, are more into classical music. 
> About the only piece of classical music that
> I like as much as, say, Chicago blues, is Bach's
> Toccata and fugue in D-minor, especially played
> by Karl Richter, or somesuch.
> I dig electric guitar mainly because of all kinds
> of effect gadgets one can attach to it, like fuzz boxes
> and stuff.
> But perhaps I'll give Segovia a try. He might surprise
> me.
>


I'm a classical guitarist, rather than a "musician." I'm lousy with theory, 
harmony, 
accompanyment, ensemble, improvisation, etc. 

For me, classical guitar music is often simpler than other kinds of classical 
music. Perhaps 
you'll find Segoiva or some other classical guitarist easier to listen to than 
some other 
isntrumentalist or orchestra.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: How do you tune your guitar?

2006-08-30 Thread uns_tressor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> curtisdeltablues@> wrote:
> >
> > Great details Spraig.  Thanks.   I was definitely 
> >preaching to the choir on classical guitars, you obviously 
> >know a lot more about them. I was particularly interested 
> >in the detail about Segovia not performing with older guitars. 
> >
> Segovia apparently DID play one guitar for 25 years...

Phew! These spaniards are made of stern stuff. Presumably
takeaways were delivered and used a chemical toilet.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: How do you tune your guitar?

2006-08-30 Thread cardemaister
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> I use an Intellitouch tuner that is clamped to the guitar headstock
> and takes the pitch vibration from the neck.  Because it does not rely
> on the your ability to hear your own string it is very useful for
> performance. http://www.tuners.com/pt1.asp 

Cool! :)









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[FairfieldLife] Re: How do you tune your guitar?

2006-08-30 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  
wrote:
> >
> > 
> > (Sorry, I'm not sure about the terminology
> > in English)
> > 
> > If I do the basic, 5th (4th) fret E-tuning, by
> > listening to the interference,
> > and then hit some (arpeggio) chord, like E major, 
> > the G-string sounds to me to be somehow off. But because
> > I'm rather tone deaf, I'm not sure if that's
> > really the case. What kind of other methods
> > of tuning are there?
> >
> 
> There are electronic tuners available but they all have drawbacks, 
I suspect.
> 
> No guitar is perfect and all guitarists eventually learn to tweak 
teh tuning for whatever music 
> they are playing. You should have seen Segovia! He would tune the 
guitar WHILE playing a 
> piece, without missing a note.
>

I believe Hendrix also needed to tune often during
playing because he used the whammy bar and bending 
so forcefully. 
It might be that mathematically gifted people, like
yourself, are more into classical music. 
About the only piece of classical music that
I like as much as, say, Chicago blues, is Bach's
Toccata and fugue in D-minor, especially played
by Karl Richter, or somesuch.
I dig electric guitar mainly because of all kinds
of effect gadgets one can attach to it, like fuzz boxes
and stuff.
But perhaps I'll give Segovia a try. He might surprise
me.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: How do you tune your guitar?

2006-08-29 Thread curtisdeltablues
As soon as the heat goes one, I've got something like this in my
guitars.  Mine covers the whole soundhole but I'll check his out.  It
is really important to preserve a guitar.  Thanks.


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> 
> This guy is a client of mine.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How do you tune your guitar?

2006-08-29 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How do you tune your guitar?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: How do you tune your guitar?

2006-08-29 Thread curtisdeltablues
"I almost died from mono when I was 21. I bought a guitar for my 21st
birthday
and ended
up building up my strength by playing it. A Yamaha ?55 I think it was.

It kept me sane while I wsa in the USAF."


Sounds like you are a real musician at heart Spraig.  Interesting
stuff about the 10 string guitar.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
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> > Not in a long time. I still have my guitar and now that I'm settling
> > into my new
> > place, I may
> > just start playing again.
> > 
> > http://www.cathedralguitar.com/Ramirez1984.html (mine is an '83)
> > 
> > 
> > What an amazing guitar!  You are playing a 10 string?  I have never
> > played one but I can't imagine my short troll fingers could manage the
> > wide neck.
> 
> The top 3 strings are sympathetic only. They're always open at least
for all the music I've 
> seen, which is mostly lute transcriptions. It's really a 7-string
guitar for fretting purposes.
> 
> 
>  Big Joe Williams used to put 3 more strings on his guitar
> > by drilling holes in the headstock.  He doubled up some of the lead
> > strings to get more volume.  I use a high gage high E for the same
> > reason.  He also used to shoot off a pistol during his show if things
> > got too rowdy!  A long way from a lute performance.
> > 
> > I hope you get you fingers back on those strings. Playing guitar is
> > one of life's deep pleasures isn't it?  Vaj would agree.
> 
> I almost died from mono when I was 21. I bought a guitar for my 21st
birthday and ended 
> up building up my strength by playing it. A Yamaha ?55 I think it was.
> 
> It kept me sane while I wsa in the USAF.
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: How do you tune your guitar?

2006-08-29 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Not in a long time. I still have my guitar and now that I'm settling
> into my new
> place, I may
> just start playing again.
> 
> http://www.cathedralguitar.com/Ramirez1984.html (mine is an '83)
> 
> 
> What an amazing guitar!  You are playing a 10 string?  I have never
> played one but I can't imagine my short troll fingers could manage the
> wide neck.

The top 3 strings are sympathetic only. They're always open at least for all 
the music I've 
seen, which is mostly lute transcriptions. It's really a 7-string guitar for 
fretting purposes.


 Big Joe Williams used to put 3 more strings on his guitar
> by drilling holes in the headstock.  He doubled up some of the lead
> strings to get more volume.  I use a high gage high E for the same
> reason.  He also used to shoot off a pistol during his show if things
> got too rowdy!  A long way from a lute performance.
> 
> I hope you get you fingers back on those strings. Playing guitar is
> one of life's deep pleasures isn't it?  Vaj would agree.

I almost died from mono when I was 21. I bought a guitar for my 21st birthday 
and ended 
up building up my strength by playing it. A Yamaha ?55 I think it was.

It kept me sane while I wsa in the USAF.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: How do you tune your guitar?

2006-08-29 Thread curtisdeltablues
Not in a long time. I still have my guitar and now that I'm settling
into my new
place, I may
just start playing again.

http://www.cathedralguitar.com/Ramirez1984.html (mine is an '83)


What an amazing guitar!  You are playing a 10 string?  I have never
played one but I can't imagine my short troll fingers could manage the
wide neck. Big Joe Williams used to put 3 more strings on his guitar
by drilling holes in the headstock.  He doubled up some of the lead
strings to get more volume.  I use a high gage high E for the same
reason.  He also used to shoot off a pistol during his show if things
got too rowdy!  A long way from a lute performance.

I hope you get you fingers back on those strings. Playing guitar is
one of life's deep pleasures isn't it?  Vaj would agree.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
 wrote:
> >
> > Great details Spraig.  Thanks.   I was definitely preaching to the
> > choir on classical guitars, you obviously know a lot more about them.
> >  I was particularly interested in the detail about Segovia not
> > performing with older guitars.  It is very common for folk and blues
> > musicians to prefer a guitar's sound after it has settled in for a few
> > decades.  Of course if it gets too pricey then they start leaving them
> > at home!  I guess Segovia's guitars really were antiques and not just
> > guitars that had aged a bit.
> 
> Segovia apparently DID play one guitar for 25 years, according to a
collector's website, so 
> maybe I'm wrong, or maybe he retired it from concert life and played
it at home for a long 
> time. However, starting in 1961 he used Ramirez guitars and both he
and Ramirez said he 
> got a new one every year. Ramirez said he "traded in his old model"...
> 
>  Most of the guys playing the 1930's
> > resonator guitars or old Martins spend a great deal of time re-tuning
> > the old guitars while they play.  Sometimes it gets so distracting
> > that I wish they would give up some of the "authenticity" and get a
> > guitar with decent tuning pegs!   
> 
> 
> You should watch a lutenist tune. It's a hoot. Even 400 years ago,
the reutining done by 
> lute players was considered a joke. You're right about the
gut-string thign. That's why 
> Segoiva wanted to use nylon strings. That and the fact that they
sound dead compared to 
> good nylon strings.
> 
> I don't know that Segovia was tuning "to the piece" but I've noticed
that my own guitar 
> doesn't sound quite right if I do a low-fret tuning and I'm playing
a piece that has a lot of 
> high-fret action.
> 
> 
> > 
> > Great darshon story about his concert.  Must have been amazing.  I
> > didn't realize that you were so into guitars.  I misread your
> > intentions about Segovia re-tuning while playing because most
> > performing artists end up doing this from time to time, myself
> > included, and I never seen to get any extra props for it! 
> 
> 
> I've seen plenty of folk/rock guitarists tune while playing, but
they weren't playing Bach or 
> whatever. Segovia would tune during a rest, or a sustained note,
while in the middle of a 
> classical piece. He did it so fast, it looked like he practiced the
tuning. May have been a 
> way of showing off, who knows?
> 
> 
>  Do you play
> > classical now?
> 
> Not in a long time. I still have my guitar and now that I'm settling
into my new place, I may 
> just start playing again.
> 
> http://www.cathedralguitar.com/Ramirez1984.html (mine is an '83)
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: How do you tune your guitar?

2006-08-29 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Great details Spraig.  Thanks.   I was definitely preaching to the
> choir on classical guitars, you obviously know a lot more about them.
>  I was particularly interested in the detail about Segovia not
> performing with older guitars.  It is very common for folk and blues
> musicians to prefer a guitar's sound after it has settled in for a few
> decades.  Of course if it gets too pricey then they start leaving them
> at home!  I guess Segovia's guitars really were antiques and not just
> guitars that had aged a bit.

Segovia apparently DID play one guitar for 25 years, according to a collector's 
website, so 
maybe I'm wrong, or maybe he retired it from concert life and played it at home 
for a long 
time. However, starting in 1961 he used Ramirez guitars and both he and Ramirez 
said he 
got a new one every year. Ramirez said he "traded in his old model"...

 Most of the guys playing the 1930's
> resonator guitars or old Martins spend a great deal of time re-tuning
> the old guitars while they play.  Sometimes it gets so distracting
> that I wish they would give up some of the "authenticity" and get a
> guitar with decent tuning pegs!   


You should watch a lutenist tune. It's a hoot. Even 400 years ago, the 
reutining done by 
lute players was considered a joke. You're right about the gut-string thign. 
That's why 
Segoiva wanted to use nylon strings. That and the fact that they sound dead 
compared to 
good nylon strings.

I don't know that Segovia was tuning "to the piece" but I've noticed that my 
own guitar 
doesn't sound quite right if I do a low-fret tuning and I'm playing a piece 
that has a lot of 
high-fret action.


> 
> Great darshon story about his concert.  Must have been amazing.  I
> didn't realize that you were so into guitars.  I misread your
> intentions about Segovia re-tuning while playing because most
> performing artists end up doing this from time to time, myself
> included, and I never seen to get any extra props for it! 


I've seen plenty of folk/rock guitarists tune while playing, but they weren't 
playing Bach or 
whatever. Segovia would tune during a rest, or a sustained note, while in the 
middle of a 
classical piece. He did it so fast, it looked like he practiced the tuning. May 
have been a 
way of showing off, who knows?


 Do you play
> classical now?

Not in a long time. I still have my guitar and now that I'm settling into my 
new place, I may 
just start playing again.

http://www.cathedralguitar.com/Ramirez1984.html (mine is an '83)







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[FairfieldLife] Re: How do you tune your guitar?

2006-08-29 Thread curtisdeltablues
Great details Spraig.  Thanks.   I was definitely preaching to the
choir on classical guitars, you obviously know a lot more about them.
 I was particularly interested in the detail about Segovia not
performing with older guitars.  It is very common for folk and blues
musicians to prefer a guitar's sound after it has settled in for a few
decades.  Of course if it gets too pricey then they start leaving them
at home!  I guess Segovia's guitars really were antiques and not just
guitars that had aged a bit. Most of the guys playing the 1930's
resonator guitars or old Martins spend a great deal of time re-tuning
the old guitars while they play.  Sometimes it gets so distracting
that I wish they would give up some of the "authenticity" and get a
guitar with decent tuning pegs!   

Great darshon story about his concert.  Must have been amazing.  I
didn't realize that you were so into guitars.  I misread your
intentions about Segovia re-tuning while playing because most
performing artists end up doing this from time to time, myself
included, and I never seen to get any extra props for it!  Do you play
classical now?

Thanks for the new info on an amazing talent, Segovia.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
 wrote:
> >
> > I use an Intellitouch tuner that is clamped to the guitar headstock
> > and takes the pitch vibration from the neck.  Because it does not rely
> > on the your ability to hear your own string it is very useful for
> > performance. http://www.tuners.com/pt1.asp  If you shop around the Net
> > you can get a better price.  You need to develop your ear, but you
> > also need to get to correct pitch quickly without dealing with all the
> > variables that effect your ear's ability to detect pitch if you want
> > to perform.  Go digital and save yourself a lot of pain.  It will also
> > improve your sense of pitch to be right one most of the time.
> > 
> >  I use a number of different open tunings in my shows as well as
> > standard tuning which I tune down a half step.  I wasn't sure if your
> > question was about tuning the guitar or different tunings.  Hope that
> > helps.  For Spraig, Segovia played gut strings that stretch more than
> > steel strings.  He also played vintage guitars that are more quirky. 
> > I think that is why he had to re-tune mid song.
> > 
> > 
> 
> Actually, Segovia enjoyed playing his vintage guitars at home, but
according to a 1978 
> interview, Jose Ramirez sent him new guitars every year starting in
the 60's. No-one gives 
> classical guitar concerts with antiques--guitars are far more
delicate than violins and just 
> don't age well or travel well for that matter. Also, Segovia
co-invented the nylon guitar 
> string with the DuPont family during WWII.
> 
> BTW, the design of the modern classical guitar was geared
specifically for Segovia, who 
> had larger than average hands, especially for a Spaniard.
> 
> Also, regarding the tuning issue. I've played $6000 guitars. Even
those are a little quirky. 
> As I said, for classical music, you need to fine-tune the guitar to
the piece you play--
> different sets of open strings and the average position that you
fret dictates where  you try 
> to balance the tuning for best results. Segovia would retune on the
fly as he performed--
> he may have been tuning to the piece or even to the section of the
piece, who knows? His 
> timing was amazing since he never missed a note while he retuned.
The one time I saw 
> him in concert, I was about 3 feet away from him at a tiny church in
England. He passed 
> within inches of me as he climbed to the stage. I was in the "front
row" with my knees 
> jammed over the edge of the stairs. I had to look under the railing
to watch him. 12 
> pounds for the ticket. The people in the choir box behind him only
paid 2 pounds (his old 
> friend was pastor of the church apparently and it was a fund-raiser
for the church I 
> believe). It was mind-boggling--I even got to shake his hand
afterwards and stammer 
> "thankyou" a half-dozen times. He looked me in the eye and nodded.
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: How do you tune your guitar?

2006-08-29 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> I use an Intellitouch tuner that is clamped to the guitar headstock
> and takes the pitch vibration from the neck.  Because it does not rely
> on the your ability to hear your own string it is very useful for
> performance. http://www.tuners.com/pt1.asp  If you shop around the Net
> you can get a better price.  You need to develop your ear, but you
> also need to get to correct pitch quickly without dealing with all the
> variables that effect your ear's ability to detect pitch if you want
> to perform.  Go digital and save yourself a lot of pain.  It will also
> improve your sense of pitch to be right one most of the time.
> 
>  I use a number of different open tunings in my shows as well as
> standard tuning which I tune down a half step.  I wasn't sure if your
> question was about tuning the guitar or different tunings.  Hope that
> helps.  For Spraig, Segovia played gut strings that stretch more than
> steel strings.  He also played vintage guitars that are more quirky. 
> I think that is why he had to re-tune mid song.
> 
> 

Actually, Segovia enjoyed playing his vintage guitars at home, but according to 
a 1978 
interview, Jose Ramirez sent him new guitars every year starting in the 60's. 
No-one gives 
classical guitar concerts with antiques--guitars are far more delicate than 
violins and just 
don't age well or travel well for that matter. Also, Segovia co-invented the 
nylon guitar 
string with the DuPont family during WWII.

BTW, the design of the modern classical guitar was geared specifically for 
Segovia, who 
had larger than average hands, especially for a Spaniard.

Also, regarding the tuning issue. I've played $6000 guitars. Even those are a 
little quirky. 
As I said, for classical music, you need to fine-tune the guitar to the piece 
you play--
different sets of open strings and the average position that you fret dictates 
where  you try 
to balance the tuning for best results. Segovia would retune on the fly as he 
performed--
he may have been tuning to the piece or even to the section of the piece, who 
knows? His 
timing was amazing since he never missed a note while he retuned. The one time 
I saw 
him in concert, I was about 3 feet away from him at a tiny church in England. 
He passed 
within inches of me as he climbed to the stage. I was in the "front row" with 
my knees 
jammed over the edge of the stairs. I had to look under the railing to watch 
him. 12 
pounds for the ticket. The people in the choir box behind him only paid 2 
pounds (his old 
friend was pastor of the church apparently and it was a fund-raiser for the 
church I 
believe). It was mind-boggling--I even got to shake his hand afterwards and 
stammer 
"thankyou" a half-dozen times. He looked me in the eye and nodded.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: How do you tune your guitar?

2006-08-29 Thread curtisdeltablues
I use an Intellitouch tuner that is clamped to the guitar headstock
and takes the pitch vibration from the neck.  Because it does not rely
on the your ability to hear your own string it is very useful for
performance. http://www.tuners.com/pt1.asp  If you shop around the Net
you can get a better price.  You need to develop your ear, but you
also need to get to correct pitch quickly without dealing with all the
variables that effect your ear's ability to detect pitch if you want
to perform.  Go digital and save yourself a lot of pain.  It will also
improve your sense of pitch to be right one most of the time.

 I use a number of different open tunings in my shows as well as
standard tuning which I tune down a half step.  I wasn't sure if your
question was about tuning the guitar or different tunings.  Hope that
helps.  For Spraig, Segovia played gut strings that stretch more than
steel strings.  He also played vintage guitars that are more quirky. 
I think that is why he had to re-tune mid song.






--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> (Sorry, I'm not sure about the terminology
> in English)
> 
> If I do the basic, 5th (4th) fret E-tuning, by
> listening to the interference,
> and then hit some (arpeggio) chord, like E major, 
> the G-string sounds to me to be somehow off. But because
> I'm rather tone deaf, I'm not sure if that's
> really the case. What kind of other methods
> of tuning are there?
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: How do you tune your guitar?

2006-08-29 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> (Sorry, I'm not sure about the terminology
> in English)
> 
> If I do the basic, 5th (4th) fret E-tuning, by
> listening to the interference,
> and then hit some (arpeggio) chord, like E major, 
> the G-string sounds to me to be somehow off. But because
> I'm rather tone deaf, I'm not sure if that's
> really the case. What kind of other methods
> of tuning are there?
>

There are electronic tuners available but they all have drawbacks, I suspect.

No guitar is perfect and all guitarists eventually learn to tweak teh tuning 
for whatever music 
they are playing. You should have seen Segovia! He would tune the guitar WHILE 
playing a 
piece, without missing a note.





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