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On 7/5/2014 6:30 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Differentiating TM from all other spiritual paths, techniques and methods was ALWAYS done (and still is) and was/is the fundamental basis upon which Marshy's ego and empire was built. You guys need to stop making up bullshit. Everyone meditates and thinks things over every day; and we are all transcending all the time, even without a technique. Meditation means to think things over. You don't know any /special techniques/ any more than we do. There is no TM - apparently you've been in a trance-induction state, by your own admission - TM is just an acronym made up to facilitate communication between teachers to indicate /a meditation that is transcendental/. Everyone knows that /meditation isn't the cause of enlightenment/ - meditation just provides the ideal opportunity for the transcending. /Any technique that provides the opportunity for transcending could be termed transcendental meditation./ - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
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Thanks for posting this Edg - shows how full of it the Movement was early on. Did you ever know exactly what infraction got you on the list to begin with? From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 4, 2014 1:26 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday I was blacklisted at teacher training because of being cited in your file by someone never-to-be-named, and I had to talk myself outta that deal with John Black who told me, Ok, go back, I'll get you off the list. He knew me enough to do that, but I could've been bounced. Everyone at the course knew that eyes were upon us from all angles, and one had better toe the movement morality line (an always changing target.) Many WERE sent home without much explanation to them or to the rest of us. Meanwhile, Jerry Jarvis, when asked why initiations were waning was, Impurity in the lives of the teachers. Anyone going to any other spiritual teacher has their dome badge pulled. Jerry told my group that no one should be attending any other lectures lest someone spot us there and ask, Why is a TM teacher at THIS OTHER TECHNIQUE'S MEETING? Like that. I remember a whole session of Maharishi asking us to come to the mike and get all these others techniques out of the way. He batted them all aside with some scholarship but also with some flippancy. (One-month course in Humboldt 1971.) We. All. Knew. The. Price. Of. Apostasy.
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On 7/4/2014 8:19 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: truth is something you wouldn't recognize unless Marshy told you what it was. I used the example of Raja Luis etc in my last post because that was the example of the last accusation on your part. You really have become as idiotic and incomprehensible as Willy Tex. We are waiting for your evidence about witnessing Bevan's and John's private sex life. What is taking you so long? Apparently you and Edg were telling some pretty big fibs about that. Why not just admit it and be honest? Again, give specific examples of what I have said that I can't back up. Come on do it or shut up. You are a gossip-monger - that's why you got fired from staff at MIU. You're not really interested in our spiritual well-being. You guys just want to spread rumors and talk trash like Gail and Bronte. Go figure.
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I heard that he kept wanting to sit on Bevan's lap, which was already occupied by three other course participants - a *serious* no-no. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Thanks for posting this Edg - shows how full of it the Movement was early on. Did you ever know exactly what infraction got you on the list to begin with? From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 4, 2014 1:26 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday I was blacklisted at teacher training because of being cited in your file by someone never-to-be-named, and I had to talk myself outta that deal with John Black who told me, Ok, go back, I'll get you off the list. He knew me enough to do that, but I could've been bounced. Everyone at the course knew that eyes were upon us from all angles, and one had better toe the movement morality line (an always changing target.) Many WERE sent home without much explanation to them or to the rest of us. Meanwhile, Jerry Jarvis, when asked why initiations were waning was, Impurity in the lives of the teachers. Anyone going to any other spiritual teacher has their dome badge pulled. Jerry told my group that no one should be attending any other lectures lest someone spot us there and ask, Why is a TM teacher at THIS OTHER TECHNIQUE'S MEETING? Like that. I remember a whole session of Maharishi asking us to come to the mike and get all these others techniques out of the way. He batted them all aside with some scholarship but also with some flippancy. (One-month course in Humboldt 1971.) We. All. Knew. The. Price. Of. Apostasy.
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On 7/3/2014 9:00 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: For what little it may be worth, I am ALWAYS going to make comments on the Movement and Marshy and look forward to Bevan and Hagelin being taken to court by the women they have taken advantage of at MUM On what grounds would Bevan and Hegelin be taken to court? Apparently the Judge in your court case gave you visitation rights to see your daughter. What have you not told us? Go figure.
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Richard, I'm 99.9% sure that Steve did not write the quote to which you responded in the post I'm replying to. Where is Dr. Netiquette when we need him? (-: On Thursday, July 3, 2014 10:44 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 7/3/2014 9:00 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: For what little it may be worth, I am ALWAYS going to make comments on the Movement and Marshy and look forward to Bevan and Hagelin being taken to court by the women they have taken advantage of at MUM On what grounds would Bevan and Hegelin be taken to court? Apparently the Judge in your court case gave you visitation rights to see your daughter. What have you not told us? Go figure.
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On 7/3/2014 11:17 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, I'm 99.9% sure that Steve did not write the quote to which you responded in the post I'm replying to. Where is Dr. Netiquette when we need him? (-: Correction: Steve wrote: Hey Michael, Good piece. But after you finish patting yourself on the back.there. I don't mind your opinions. My request would be that you try to have back up a statement if you are presenting it as fact. You know what they say about the two, right? Opinions and facts. And if you are inconsistent in what you say, people will point it out. And they are not cult apologists for doing so. I'm afraid this last point will not sink in, even a drop. Sounds like you have a fulfilling life. That's nice to hear!
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Richard, thank you... On Thursday, July 3, 2014 12:37 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 7/3/2014 11:17 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, I'm 99.9% sure that Steve did not write the quote to which you responded in the post I'm replying to. Where is Dr. Netiquette when we need him? (-: Correction: Steve wrote: Hey Michael, Good piece. But after you finish patting yourself on the back.there. I don't mind your opinions. My request would be that you try to have back up a statement if you are presenting it as fact. You know what they say about the two, right? Opinions and facts. And if you are inconsistent in what you say, people will point it out. And they are not cult apologists for doing so. I'm afraid this last point will not sink in, even a drop. Sounds like you have a fulfilling life. That's nice to hear!
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Thanks Richard ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 7/3/2014 11:17 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, I'm 99.9% sure that Steve did not write the quote to which you responded in the post I'm replying to. Where is Dr. Netiquette when we need him? (-: Correction: Steve wrote: Hey Michael, Good piece. But after you finish patting yourself on the back.there. I don't mind your opinions. My request would be that you try to have back up a statement if you are presenting it as fact. You know what they say about the two, right? Opinions and facts. And if you are inconsistent in what you say, people will point it out. And they are not cult apologists for doing so. I'm afraid this last point will not sink in, even a drop. Sounds like you have a fulfilling life. That's nice to hear!
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On 7/3/2014 6:57 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I can't go back and cite them all. Your latest gaffe is this notion that part of the TM dogma is that TM is the only true spiritual path. This is nothing you heard, it is only something you've concocted to fit a narrative you wish to present. And when pressed on it, you immediately start to hedge about it. N'est-ce pas? Let's see if he can cite any credible sources for his claims - that should settle it. There must be a credible source somewhere - on Usenet or TM-Free - somewhere in Fairfield. Let's see if MJ can cite one single credible source for his claim. Just one credible witness that can verify that MJ was inside Bevan's bedroom. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : what have I said that I can't back up? Gimme specifics.
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I was blacklisted at teacher training because of being cited in your file by someone never-to-be-named, and I had to talk myself outta that deal with John Black who told me, Ok, go back, I'll get you off the list. He knew me enough to do that, but I could've been bounced. Everyone at the course knew that eyes were upon us from all angles, and one had better toe the movement morality line (an always changing target.) Many WERE sent home without much explanation to them or to the rest of us. Meanwhile, Jerry Jarvis, when asked why initiations were waning was, Impurity in the lives of the teachers. Anyone going to any other spiritual teacher has their dome badge pulled. Jerry told my group that no one should be attending any other lectures lest someone spot us there and ask, Why is a TM teacher at THIS OTHER TECHNIQUE'S MEETING? Like that. I remember a whole session of Maharishi asking us to come to the mike and get all these others techniques out of the way. He batted them all aside with some scholarship but also with some flippancy. (One-month course in Humboldt 1971.) We. All. Knew. The. Price. Of. Apostasy.
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as usual you don't know jack shit about what I did or didn't do, what I did or didn't believe. I most certainly DID believe that TM was the one true path as did most of the people I knew in my time with TM, not just at MIU. The folks who DIDN'T believe so were looked upon as being benighted, or not quite right. Gas is right - Marshy was a windbag full of gas, and he most certainly was not enlightened. Certainly not by his definition of it. From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday Jeez Michael, I never bought into the TMO claiming that TM was the only real spiritual path, and neither did you. The only thing you heard, and which was claimed, was that TM being an effortless procedure, was therefore the most natural, and therefore the most effective. Now, I am not making any conclusion about the efficacy of that claim. As others hear say, maybe TM is good beginner technique. It worked for me, and I've had nice experiences. That is all I care to say. Now, I get my spiritual kicks in other areas. Do I believe MMY achieved enlightenment? Yes, I do. Do I think things got strange at some point? Yes, again. Do I retain a warm spot for MMY? Yes. And it has grown over time, even though I have distanced myself from the whole tradition he is/was a part of. And it's been a gas! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : well its good to see you are not a complete Marshy sycophant because the Movement says that the only real spiritual path is TM - if one is not doing TM and TMSP REGULARLY one is not on a real spiritual path, according to them. So there may be some hope for you yet, not much but some, maybe. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday As usual Michael you seem unable to process anything between all good,or all bad. What you fail to understand is that people are own their own spiritual path. And just because they've gone in a different direction than where they started doesn't mean they discard or denigrate that initial impetus. It just means that their quest has taken a different turn. Really, it's not complicated, and most people understand that, unless of course they only look for some angle to continually demean a particular spiritual practice. As for the rest of what you say,it's the same we hear from you on a daily basis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : If you thought TM was worth a crap you would do it regularly. I have no fondness for nor affinity for people and organizations that are fraudulent and who function as abusers and thieves. Marshy and his big shot TM leaders have proven themselves to be all of the above. As to the technique, nothing special and the downside outweighs the benefits as I see it. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday Sure, you lay out all the flaws in the whole TM experience. No problem with that. What I perceive in your perspective and that of Edg's is a certain amount of bitterness. And I hope I am wrong. I also was all in during my time, as were many of my friends. Some have stayed all in, such as Tom Ball. But never did I swallow whole, all the grandiose claims. I was focused on the benefits I experienced. And I still am focused on that, even if I am not regular in the practice. And so, I am perplexed by the amount of (apparent, at least) animus you carry towards the whole thing. And Edg as well. I assume we all want to move forward, and we do it in different ways. I try not to be judgmental, but I guess I still am. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : what you consider blind spots - i.e. thinking the truth about Marshy and company, is actually a realist point of view. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday I'm not defending the TMO or Jerry, Michael. I'm just pointing out that the vocal accuser has his own skeletons. Sorry if you don't like that. And I guess, FWIW, that Edg suffers from some of same blind spots as you. Turn that any way you wish. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : why would you want him to do that? Aren't you too busy praying to Marshy and King Tony for salvation to care
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how many others had the impression, given by the TMO that TM was the one true path of spirituality? show of hands...almost no one? but always nice to know that I don't know jack shit about what you believe, but you know for certain MMY was not enlightened. You are funny guy Michael. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : as usual you don't know jack shit about what I did or didn't do, what I did or didn't believe. I most certainly DID believe that TM was the one true path as did most of the people I knew in my time with TM, not just at MIU. The folks who DIDN'T believe so were looked upon as being benighted, or not quite right. Gas is right - Marshy was a windbag full of gas, and he most certainly was not enlightened. Certainly not by his definition of it. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday Jeez Michael, I never bought into the TMO claiming that TM was the only real spiritual path, and neither did you. The only thing you heard, and which was claimed, was that TM being an effortless procedure, was therefore the most natural, and therefore the most effective. Now, I am not making any conclusion about the efficacy of that claim. As others hear say, maybe TM is good beginner technique. It worked for me, and I've had nice experiences. That is all I care to say. Now, I get my spiritual kicks in other areas. Do I believe MMY achieved enlightenment? Yes, I do. Do I think things got strange at some point? Yes, again. Do I retain a warm spot for MMY? Yes. And it has grown over time, even though I have distanced myself from the whole tradition he is/was a part of. And it's been a gas! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : well its good to see you are not a complete Marshy sycophant because the Movement says that the only real spiritual path is TM - if one is not doing TM and TMSP REGULARLY one is not on a real spiritual path, according to them. So there may be some hope for you yet, not much but some, maybe. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday As usual Michael you seem unable to process anything between all good,or all bad. What you fail to understand is that people are own their own spiritual path. And just because they've gone in a different direction than where they started doesn't mean they discard or denigrate that initial impetus. It just means that their quest has taken a different turn. Really, it's not complicated, and most people understand that, unless of course they only look for some angle to continually demean a particular spiritual practice. As for the rest of what you say,it's the same we hear from you on a daily basis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : If you thought TM was worth a crap you would do it regularly. I have no fondness for nor affinity for people and organizations that are fraudulent and who function as abusers and thieves. Marshy and his big shot TM leaders have proven themselves to be all of the above. As to the technique, nothing special and the downside outweighs the benefits as I see it. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday Sure, you lay out all the flaws in the whole TM experience. No problem with that. What I perceive in your perspective and that of Edg's is a certain amount of bitterness. And I hope I am wrong. I also was all in during my time, as were many of my friends. Some have stayed all in, such as Tom Ball. But never did I swallow whole, all the grandiose claims. I was focused on the benefits I experienced. And I still am focused on that, even if I am not regular in the practice. And so, I am perplexed by the amount of (apparent, at least) animus you carry towards the whole thing. And Edg as well. I assume we all want to move forward, and we do it in different ways. I try not to be judgmental, but I guess I still am. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : what you consider blind spots - i.e. thinking the truth about Marshy and company, is actually a realist point of view. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday I'm not defending the TMO or Jerry, Michael. I'm just pointing out that the vocal accuser has his own skeletons. Sorry if you don't like
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You have been wearing some major blinders! Marshy said TM was superior in so many different ways. I am guessing that you refuse to acknowledge that fact so you don't have to deal with the two disparate pieces of information. On the one hand you believe Marshy to have been enlightened. On the other, if you acknowledged it, he said TM was better than all the rest and the only really effective and reliable way to nirvana. So if you admitted he took that position, you have to deal with the fact that an enlightened man told lies, (since you don't believe TM is the only path) or that he was not enlightened. I will tell you the way to work it out. While TM has beneficial effects for some practitioners, most cease the practice within a few months. TM is not the jet plane to enlightenment Marshy claimed it was, and Marshy was a liar, a con artist and an unenlightened jack ass. From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2014 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday how many others had the impression, given by the TMO that TM was the one true path of spirituality? show of hands...almost no one? but always nice to know that I don't know jack shit about what you believe, but you know for certain MMY was not enlightened. You are funny guy Michael. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : as usual you don't know jack shit about what I did or didn't do, what I did or didn't believe. I most certainly DID believe that TM was the one true path as did most of the people I knew in my time with TM, not just at MIU. The folks who DIDN'T believe so were looked upon as being benighted, or not quite right. Gas is right - Marshy was a windbag full of gas, and he most certainly was not enlightened. Certainly not by his definition of it. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday Jeez Michael, I never bought into the TMO claiming that TM was the only real spiritual path, and neither did you. The only thing you heard, and which was claimed, was that TM being an effortless procedure, was therefore the most natural, and therefore the most effective. Now, I am not making any conclusion about the efficacy of that claim. As others hear say, maybe TM is good beginner technique. It worked for me, and I've had nice experiences. That is all I care to say. Now, I get my spiritual kicks in other areas. Do I believe MMY achieved enlightenment? Yes, I do. Do I think things got strange at some point? Yes, again. Do I retain a warm spot for MMY? Yes. And it has grown over time, even though I have distanced myself from the whole tradition he is/was a part of. And it's been a gas! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : well its good to see you are not a complete Marshy sycophant because the Movement says that the only real spiritual path is TM - if one is not doing TM and TMSP REGULARLY one is not on a real spiritual path, according to them. So there may be some hope for you yet, not much but some, maybe. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday As usual Michael you seem unable to process anything between all good,or all bad. What you fail to understand is that people are own their own spiritual path. And just because they've gone in a different direction than where they started doesn't mean they discard or denigrate that initial impetus. It just means that their quest has taken a different turn. Really, it's not complicated, and most people understand that, unless of course they only look for some angle to continually demean a particular spiritual practice. As for the rest of what you say,it's the same we hear from you on a daily basis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : If you thought TM was worth a crap you would do it regularly. I have no fondness for nor affinity for people and organizations that are fraudulent and who function as abusers and thieves. Marshy and his big shot TM leaders have proven themselves to be all of the above. As to the technique, nothing special and the downside outweighs the benefits as I see it. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday Sure, you lay out all the flaws in the whole TM experience. No problem with that. What I perceive
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Since this thread began as Jerry Jarvis' Birthday, I will just offer this little bit of info. I got a phone call last might from my friend Bill who had a half dozen or so long phone conversations with Jerry Jarvis over the last few months. One of the last talks he had, Bill asked him if he were enlightened and Jerry replied Well, I am of the old school about that, that's just something we don't talk about. Hearing this, Bill related to him his experience in seeing Charlie Lutes in Raleigh, NC in the early 1970's. During Charlie's lecture someone asked him if he was enlightened himself and Charlie said that he was, and that he was in God Consciousness. Upon hearing that Jerry expressed surprise and sort of laughed it off, but Bill said one got the feeling Jerry felt Charlie may have been fudging a bit. From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2014 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday how many others had the impression, given by the TMO that TM was the one true path of spirituality? show of hands...almost no one? but always nice to know that I don't know jack shit about what you believe, but you know for certain MMY was not enlightened. You are funny guy Michael. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : as usual you don't know jack shit about what I did or didn't do, what I did or didn't believe. I most certainly DID believe that TM was the one true path as did most of the people I knew in my time with TM, not just at MIU. The folks who DIDN'T believe so were looked upon as being benighted, or not quite right. Gas is right - Marshy was a windbag full of gas, and he most certainly was not enlightened. Certainly not by his definition of it. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday Jeez Michael, I never bought into the TMO claiming that TM was the only real spiritual path, and neither did you. The only thing you heard, and which was claimed, was that TM being an effortless procedure, was therefore the most natural, and therefore the most effective. Now, I am not making any conclusion about the efficacy of that claim. As others hear say, maybe TM is good beginner technique. It worked for me, and I've had nice experiences. That is all I care to say. Now, I get my spiritual kicks in other areas. Do I believe MMY achieved enlightenment? Yes, I do. Do I think things got strange at some point? Yes, again. Do I retain a warm spot for MMY? Yes. And it has grown over time, even though I have distanced myself from the whole tradition he is/was a part of. And it's been a gas! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : well its good to see you are not a complete Marshy sycophant because the Movement says that the only real spiritual path is TM - if one is not doing TM and TMSP REGULARLY one is not on a real spiritual path, according to them. So there may be some hope for you yet, not much but some, maybe. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday As usual Michael you seem unable to process anything between all good,or all bad. What you fail to understand is that people are own their own spiritual path. And just because they've gone in a different direction than where they started doesn't mean they discard or denigrate that initial impetus. It just means that their quest has taken a different turn. Really, it's not complicated, and most people understand that, unless of course they only look for some angle to continually demean a particular spiritual practice. As for the rest of what you say,it's the same we hear from you on a daily basis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : If you thought TM was worth a crap you would do it regularly. I have no fondness for nor affinity for people and organizations that are fraudulent and who function as abusers and thieves. Marshy and his big shot TM leaders have proven themselves to be all of the above. As to the technique, nothing special and the downside outweighs the benefits as I see it. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday Sure, you lay out all the flaws in the whole TM experience. No problem with that. What I perceive in your perspective and that of Edg's is a certain amount
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Perhaps the MJ-fellow put some special ingredients in the dough :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : It's not very difficult to understand why you got kicked off staff at MUM and why you'd be posting anonymously after twenty years. I wonder if you sucked as a baker or it was your mouth that got you fired? Go figure. On 7/2/2014 7:41 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: You have been wearing some major blinders! Marshy said TM was superior in so many different ways. I am guessing that you refuse to acknowledge that fact so you don't have to deal with the two disparate pieces of information. On the one hand you believe Marshy to have been enlightened. On the other, if you acknowledged it, he said TM was better than all the rest and the only really effective and reliable way to nirvana. So if you admitted he took that position, you have to deal with the fact that an enlightened man told lies, (since you don't believe TM is the only path) or that he was not enlightened. I will tell you the way to work it out. While TM has beneficial effects for some practitioners, most cease the practice within a few months. TM is not the jet plane to enlightenment Marshy claimed it was, and Marshy was a liar, a con artist and an unenlightened jack ass. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:steve.sundur@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2014 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday how many others had the impression, given by the TMO that TM was the one true path of spirituality? show of hands...almost no one? but always nice to know that I don't know jack shit about what you believe, but you know for certain MMY was not enlightened. You are funny guy Michael. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... wrote : as usual you don't know jack shit about what I did or didn't do, what I did or didn't believe. I most certainly DID believe that TM was the one true path as did most of the people I knew in my time with TM, not just at MIU. The folks who DIDN'T believe so were looked upon as being benighted, or not quite right. Gas is right - Marshy was a windbag full of gas, and he most certainly was not enlightened. Certainly not by his definition of it. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday Jeez Michael, I never bought into the TMO claiming that TM was the only real spiritual path, and neither did you. The only thing you heard, and which was claimed, was that TM being an effortless procedure, was therefore the most natural, and therefore the most effective. Now, I am not making any conclusion about the efficacy of that claim. As others hear say, maybe TM is good beginner technique. It worked for me, and I've had nice experiences. That is all I care to say. Now, I get my spiritual kicks in other areas. Do I believe MMY achieved enlightenment? Yes, I do. Do I think things got strange at some point? Yes, again. Do I retain a warm spot for MMY? Yes. And it has grown over time, even though I have distanced myself from the whole tradition he is/was a part of. And it's been a gas! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... wrote : well its good to see you are not a complete Marshy sycophant because the Movement says that the only real spiritual path is TM - if one is not doing TM and TMSP REGULARLY one is not on a real spiritual path, according to them. So there may be some hope for you yet, not much but some, maybe. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday As usual Michael you seem unable to process anything between all good,or all bad. What you fail to understand is that people are own their own spiritual path. And just because they've gone in a different direction than where they started doesn't mean they discard or denigrate that initial impetus. It just means that their quest has taken a different turn. Really, it's not complicated, and most people understand that, unless of course they only look for some angle to continually demean a particular spiritual practice. As for the rest
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I remember the baker at Livingston Manor in 77/78, a really nice fellow by the name of Barry. I was night watchman for awhile there, and so I'd hang out with Barry as he baked his bread in the early morning, and had plenty of samples. Also developed a serious addiction to oranges, there, and ping-pong. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Perhaps the MJ-fellow put some special ingredients in the dough :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : It's not very difficult to understand why you got kicked off staff at MUM and why you'd be posting anonymously after twenty years. I wonder if you sucked as a baker or it was your mouth that got you fired? Go figure. sniperoo
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If you thought TM was worth a crap you would do it regularly. I have no fondness for nor affinity for people and organizations that are fraudulent and who function as abusers and thieves. Marshy and his big shot TM leaders have proven themselves to be all of the above. As to the technique, nothing special and the downside outweighs the benefits as I see it. From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday Sure, you lay out all the flaws in the whole TM experience. No problem with that. What I perceive in your perspective and that of Edg's is a certain amount of bitterness. And I hope I am wrong. I also was all in during my time, as were many of my friends. Some have stayed all in, such as Tom Ball. But never did I swallow whole, all the grandiose claims. I was focused on the benefits I experienced. And I still am focused on that, even if I am not regular in the practice. And so, I am perplexed by the amount of (apparent, at least) animus you carry towards the whole thing. And Edg as well. I assume we all want to move forward, and we do it in different ways. I try not to be judgmental, but I guess I still am. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : what you consider blind spots - i.e. thinking the truth about Marshy and company, is actually a realist point of view. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday I'm not defending the TMO or Jerry, Michael. I'm just pointing out that the vocal accuser has his own skeletons. Sorry if you don't like that. And I guess, FWIW, that Edg suffers from some of same blind spots as you. Turn that any way you wish. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : why would you want him to do that? Aren't you too busy praying to Marshy and King Tony for salvation to care? From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday Are we ever going to hear you own up to the outright lies you've told here in the name of making a point that you think needs to be made? talk about crickets! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yeah, my jury's still out about the sex stuff, but there was/is a ton of issues about which Jerry would have very juicy insider information, but he'd never spill the beans about how much money goes to Girish's personal checking account, or how many lawsuits the movement settled out of court all hush hush, or We don't know the shit, ya know? International money laundering was COMMON I was told. And, hey, fucking, hey, we were all given to a King who hid his family and kids from us. Oh, come, on, Jerry, where's the PUBLIC complaints to show us your integrity? The thing Jerry could do to make me figure he's on the up and up would be to at least give us some of the details about his leaving, how much he (and his then wife?) got paid AFTER he left, what secret agreements he signed, and most importantly he could tell us all STRAIGHT UP about his own personal evolution and why he didn't inherit the kingdom or at least why he failed to learn how to levitate and what the implications for the techniques are. If he gives me some shit like I'm living on the level of fulfilment and don't need any exciting experiences like flying. then, why even try to deal with him after that kind of evasiveness? We all want to fly. We were sold that we could fly. We're not flying. Jerry? Jerry? All we get is crickets about the IMPORTANT issues. No one is giving press conferences. THEY'RE FUCKING COWARDS. Fuck, after leaving the movement, I started reading a ton -- books that were NOT ALLOWED -- and I can now see that Maharishi NEVER wanted us to be spiritually hep and in the philosophical-know, because then we'd have asked some questions that would have made him uncomfortable. Like, he never told us jack about the provenance of the mantras -- or even that the mantra set had changed many times before we were even given our list down the road. (My sister-in-law was okayed to teach merely two mantras to students only -- then, later when she grew up, she was told Just keep giving out those two mantras to adults also now, you don't need the whole set. And, wow, like what the fuck about that, eh?) All these secrets would have been too embarrassing to openly discuss...such as: Um, Maharishi, you started out with only a couple mantras, and then more later
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As usual Michael you seem unable to process anything between all good,or all bad. What you fail to understand is that people are own their own spiritual path. And just because they've gone in a different direction than where they started doesn't mean they discard or denigrate that initial impetus. It just means that their quest has taken a different turn. Really, it's not complicated, and most people understand that, unless of course they only look for some angle to continually demean a particular spiritual practice. As for the rest of what you say,it's the same we hear from you on a daily basis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : If you thought TM was worth a crap you would do it regularly. I have no fondness for nor affinity for people and organizations that are fraudulent and who function as abusers and thieves. Marshy and his big shot TM leaders have proven themselves to be all of the above. As to the technique, nothing special and the downside outweighs the benefits as I see it. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday Sure, you lay out all the flaws in the whole TM experience. No problem with that. What I perceive in your perspective and that of Edg's is a certain amount of bitterness. And I hope I am wrong. I also was all in during my time, as were many of my friends. Some have stayed all in, such as Tom Ball. But never did I swallow whole, all the grandiose claims. I was focused on the benefits I experienced. And I still am focused on that, even if I am not regular in the practice. And so, I am perplexed by the amount of (apparent, at least) animus you carry towards the whole thing. And Edg as well. I assume we all want to move forward, and we do it in different ways. I try not to be judgmental, but I guess I still am. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : what you consider blind spots - i.e. thinking the truth about Marshy and company, is actually a realist point of view. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday I'm not defending the TMO or Jerry, Michael. I'm just pointing out that the vocal accuser has his own skeletons. Sorry if you don't like that. And I guess, FWIW, that Edg suffers from some of same blind spots as you. Turn that any way you wish. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : why would you want him to do that? Aren't you too busy praying to Marshy and King Tony for salvation to care? From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday Are we ever going to hear you own up to the outright lies you've told here in the name of making a point that you think needs to be made? talk about crickets! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yeah, my jury's still out about the sex stuff, but there was/is a ton of issues about which Jerry would have very juicy insider information, but he'd never spill the beans about how much money goes to Girish's personal checking account, or how many lawsuits the movement settled out of court all hush hush, or We don't know the shit, ya know? International money laundering was COMMON I was told. And, hey, fucking, hey, we were all given to a King who hid his family and kids from us. Oh, come, on, Jerry, where's the PUBLIC complaints to show us your integrity? The thing Jerry could do to make me figure he's on the up and up would be to at least give us some of the details about his leaving, how much he (and his then wife?) got paid AFTER he left, what secret agreements he signed, and most importantly he could tell us all STRAIGHT UP about his own personal evolution and why he didn't inherit the kingdom or at least why he failed to learn how to levitate and what the implications for the techniques are. If he gives me some shit like I'm living on the level of fulfilment and don't need any exciting experiences like flying. then, why even try to deal with him after that kind of evasiveness? We all want to fly. We were sold that we could fly. We're not flying. Jerry? Jerry? All we get is crickets about the IMPORTANT issues. No one is giving press conferences. THEY'RE FUCKING COWARDS. Fuck, after leaving the movement, I started reading a ton -- books that were NOT ALLOWED -- and I can now see that Maharishi NEVER wanted us to be spiritually hep and in the philosophical-know, because then we'd have asked some questions that would have
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well its good to see you are not a complete Marshy sycophant because the Movement says that the only real spiritual path is TM - if one is not doing TM and TMSP REGULARLY one is not on a real spiritual path, according to them. So there may be some hope for you yet, not much but some, maybe. From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday As usual Michael you seem unable to process anything between all good,or all bad. What you fail to understand is that people are own their own spiritual path. And just because they've gone in a different direction than where they started doesn't mean they discard or denigrate that initial impetus. It just means that their quest has taken a different turn. Really, it's not complicated, and most people understand that, unless of course they only look for some angle to continually demean a particular spiritual practice. As for the rest of what you say,it's the same we hear from you on a daily basis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : If you thought TM was worth a crap you would do it regularly. I have no fondness for nor affinity for people and organizations that are fraudulent and who function as abusers and thieves. Marshy and his big shot TM leaders have proven themselves to be all of the above. As to the technique, nothing special and the downside outweighs the benefits as I see it. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday Sure, you lay out all the flaws in the whole TM experience. No problem with that. What I perceive in your perspective and that of Edg's is a certain amount of bitterness. And I hope I am wrong. I also was all in during my time, as were many of my friends. Some have stayed all in, such as Tom Ball. But never did I swallow whole, all the grandiose claims. I was focused on the benefits I experienced. And I still am focused on that, even if I am not regular in the practice. And so, I am perplexed by the amount of (apparent, at least) animus you carry towards the whole thing. And Edg as well. I assume we all want to move forward, and we do it in different ways. I try not to be judgmental, but I guess I still am. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : what you consider blind spots - i.e. thinking the truth about Marshy and company, is actually a realist point of view. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday I'm not defending the TMO or Jerry, Michael. I'm just pointing out that the vocal accuser has his own skeletons. Sorry if you don't like that. And I guess, FWIW, that Edg suffers from some of same blind spots as you. Turn that any way you wish. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : why would you want him to do that? Aren't you too busy praying to Marshy and King Tony for salvation to care? From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday Are we ever going to hear you own up to the outright lies you've told here in the name of making a point that you think needs to be made? talk about crickets! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yeah, my jury's still out about the sex stuff, but there was/is a ton of issues about which Jerry would have very juicy insider information, but he'd never spill the beans about how much money goes to Girish's personal checking account, or how many lawsuits the movement settled out of court all hush hush, or We don't know the shit, ya know? International money laundering was COMMON I was told. And, hey, fucking, hey, we were all given to a King who hid his family and kids from us. Oh, come, on, Jerry, where's the PUBLIC complaints to show us your integrity? The thing Jerry could do to make me figure he's on the up and up would be to at least give us some of the details about his leaving, how much he (and his then wife?) got paid AFTER he left, what secret agreements he signed, and most importantly he could tell us all STRAIGHT UP about his own personal evolution and why he didn't inherit the kingdom or at least why he failed to learn how to levitate and what the implications for the techniques are. If he gives me some shit like I'm living on the level
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On 6/30/2014 8:41 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: what you consider blind spots - i.e. thinking the truth about Marshy and company, is actually a realist point of view. Anyone taking a realist point of view would come to the conclusion that you and Ed are trolls that come to FFL to try and start a arguments - so you like to post inflammatory messages in order to get attention - you guys must be getting old because all you do is talk about where you have been, instead of where you're going. The most interesting thing about your flames is that nobody in the TMO, at MUM, or anywhere else, seems to never have heard of you, so I guess you didn't make much of an impression at school, at work, or at home. Go figure. *From:* steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, June 30, 2014 8:50 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday I'm not defending the TMO or Jerry, Michael. I'm just pointing out that the vocal accuser has his own skeletons. Sorry if you don't like that. And I guess, FWIW, that Edg suffers from some of same blind spots as you. Turn that any way you wish. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : why would you want him to do that? Aren't you too busy praying to Marshy and King Tony for salvation to care? *From:* steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, June 30, 2014 8:31 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday Are we ever going to hear you own up to the outright lies you've told here in the name of making a point that you think needs to be made? talk about crickets! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yeah, my jury's still out about the sex stuff, but there was/is a ton of issues about which Jerry would have very juicy insider information, but he'd never spill the beans about how much money goes to Girish's personal checking account, or how many lawsuits the movement settled out of court all hush hush, or We don't know the shit, ya know? International money laundering was COMMON I was told. And, hey, fucking, hey, we were all given to a King who hid his family and kids from us. Oh, come, on, Jerry, where's the PUBLIC complaints to show us your integrity? The thing Jerry could do to make me figure he's on the up and up would be to at least give us some of the details about his leaving, how much he (and his then wife?) got paid AFTER he left, what secret agreements he signed, and most importantly he could tell us all STRAIGHT UP about his own personal evolution and why he didn't inherit the kingdom or at least why he failed to learn how to levitate and what the implications for the techniques are. If he gives me some shit like I'm living on the level of fulfilment and don't need any exciting experiences like flying. then, why even try to deal with him after that kind of evasiveness? We all want to fly. We were sold that we could fly. We're not flying. Jerry? Jerry? All we get is crickets about the IMPORTANT issues. No one is giving press conferences. THEY'RE FUCKING COWARDS. Fuck, after leaving the movement, I started reading a ton -- books that were NOT ALLOWED -- and I can now see that Maharishi NEVER wanted us to be spiritually hep and in the philosophical-know, because then we'd have asked some questions that would have made him uncomfortable. Like, he never told us jack about the provenance of the mantras -- or even that the mantra set had changed many times before we were even given our list down the road. (My sister-in-law was okayed to teach merely two mantras to students only -- then, later when she grew up, she was told Just keep giving out those two mantras to adults also now, you don't need the whole set. And, wow, like what the fuck about that, eh?) All these secrets would have been too embarrassing to openly discuss...such as: Um, Maharishi, you started out with only a couple mantras, and then more laterWHAT THE FUCK...were you, like, not totally enlightened when you first gave out the mantras? Jerry once chided me because I used the names of Shiva, Brahma and Visnu in a publication of mine -- it would never do to show the least respect, like that, ya see? But he never chided Maharishi about what he was doing to Hinduism's reputation because of his hob-nobbing with the rich and promising super-powers that would not be delivered. Or did he, and that's why he got fired? If he got fired for those issues and didn't TELL THE REST OF US, well, then, just fuck you Jerry -- you left us all to find out by ourselves that which you knew -- you cost us DECADES of wasted time
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Yep - If solely pointing out flaws in others made us satisfied, politicians and dictators would be the happiest people on the planet - The only guy I can think of, who ever made it work, is Don Rickles, and there's only one of him. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I'm not defending the TMO or Jerry, Michael. I'm just pointing out that the vocal accuser has his own skeletons. Sorry if you don't like that. And I guess, FWIW, that Edg suffers from some of same blind spots as you. Turn that any way you wish. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : why would you want him to do that? Aren't you too busy praying to Marshy and King Tony for salvation to care? From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday Are we ever going to hear you own up to the outright lies you've told here in the name of making a point that you think needs to be made? talk about crickets! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yeah, my jury's still out about the sex stuff, but there was/is a ton of issues about which Jerry would have very juicy insider information, but he'd never spill the beans about how much money goes to Girish's personal checking account, or how many lawsuits the movement settled out of court all hush hush, or We don't know the shit, ya know? International money laundering was COMMON I was told. And, hey, fucking, hey, we were all given to a King who hid his family and kids from us. Oh, come, on, Jerry, where's the PUBLIC complaints to show us your integrity? The thing Jerry could do to make me figure he's on the up and up would be to at least give us some of the details about his leaving, how much he (and his then wife?) got paid AFTER he left, what secret agreements he signed, and most importantly he could tell us all STRAIGHT UP about his own personal evolution and why he didn't inherit the kingdom or at least why he failed to learn how to levitate and what the implications for the techniques are. If he gives me some shit like I'm living on the level of fulfilment and don't need any exciting experiences like flying. then, why even try to deal with him after that kind of evasiveness? We all want to fly. We were sold that we could fly. We're not flying. Jerry? Jerry? All we get is crickets about the IMPORTANT issues. No one is giving press conferences. THEY'RE FUCKING COWARDS. Fuck, after leaving the movement, I started reading a ton -- books that were NOT ALLOWED -- and I can now see that Maharishi NEVER wanted us to be spiritually hep and in the philosophical-know, because then we'd have asked some questions that would have made him uncomfortable. Like, he never told us jack about the provenance of the mantras -- or even that the mantra set had changed many times before we were even given our list down the road. (My sister-in-law was okayed to teach merely two mantras to students only -- then, later when she grew up, she was told Just keep giving out those two mantras to adults also now, you don't need the whole set. And, wow, like what the fuck about that, eh?) All these secrets would have been too embarrassing to openly discuss...such as: Um, Maharishi, you started out with only a couple mantras, and then more laterWHAT THE FUCK...were you, like, not totally enlightened when you first gave out the mantras? Jerry once chided me because I used the names of Shiva, Brahma and Visnu in a publication of mine -- it would never do to show the least respect, like that, ya see? But he never chided Maharishi about what he was doing to Hinduism's reputation because of his hob-nobbing with the rich and promising super-powers that would not be delivered. Or did he, and that's why he got fired? If he got fired for those issues and didn't TELL THE REST OF US, well, then, just fuck you Jerry -- you left us all to find out by ourselves that which you knew -- you cost us DECADES of wasted time and maybe up to TWO BILLION DOLLARS of our money that could have gone to charities that actually did shit for the downtrodden. Give me five minutes with Bev the Fat Bastard in an elevator, I dare ya. Somebody's gotta smack the smug off that mug, and at my age, and my race, heck, the judge would probably only be giving me a hand slap and $1,000 fine or something. I got the money. Anyone want to arrange that elevator scenario? I kid. I kid. Or? Edg
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This is a call for help, if nothing else. Where is Dr. Pete when we need him? On 6/30/2014 12:30 PM, Duveyoung wrote: Why? He never wished me a happy birthday. All he wished was for him to be in on the secrets and be special in our eyes while not telling us about the shit coming down behind the scenes. No transparency equals no honesty. And what did he get? Kicked out on his ass, and for what? WE. DON'T. GET. TO. KNOW. He was dumped and he still didn't squeal on the TMO -- why? -- I'm betting it was PLAIN OLD MONEY. Bought to shut the fuck up. Tell us about the money, Jerry, and about Girish et alia, Jerry, and then maybe you'll get an honest birthday greeting from us. BAH on all this the old timers are to be respected shit -- they all took it up the ass like the rest of us -- keeping quiet about every sort of shenanigan. And, now, what? he's too fucking old to yell at? Listen, didn't he let ALL OF US THINK HE WAS GOD CONSCIOUS? He never was humble enough to admit the TM technique had not done the trick. Fucker never even took the siddhis...or if he did, HE NEVER LEVITATED, right? Right, Jerry? This is the movement bullshit loud and tawdry -- honor those who fucked us over whenever it served HIM PERSONALLY. He didn't have the GUTS to face down Maharishi, so he wussed out and took the dough. Go ahead, someone here try to defend him -- whatever good he did, he did for himself, and the bad he did was ten times more bad than the good he did. He owes the universe big time. And, Rick, you're in cahoots with him in that you're protecting him from the likes of me and my opinions. HE DOESN'T FUCKING DESERVE JACK SHIT UNLESS HE CONFESSES HIS SINS UNTO US. Signed, Edward William Duveyoung -- my real full name and I'm in the phone book.
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On 6/30/2014 7:50 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I'm not defending the TMO or Jerry, Michael. I'm just pointing out that the vocal accuser has his own skeletons. Sorry if you don't like that. And I guess, FWIW, that Edg suffers from some of same blind spots as you. Turn that any way you wish. Maybe those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : why would you want him to do that? Aren't you too busy praying to Marshy and King Tony for salvation to care? *From:* steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, June 30, 2014 8:31 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday Are we ever going to hear you own up to the outright lies you've told here in the name of making a point that you think needs to be made? talk about crickets! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yeah, my jury's still out about the sex stuff, but there was/is a ton of issues about which Jerry would have very juicy insider information, but he'd never spill the beans about how much money goes to Girish's personal checking account, or how many lawsuits the movement settled out of court all hush hush, or We don't know the shit, ya know? International money laundering was COMMON I was told. And, hey, fucking, hey, we were all given to a King who hid his family and kids from us. Oh, come, on, Jerry, where's the PUBLIC complaints to show us your integrity? The thing Jerry could do to make me figure he's on the up and up would be to at least give us some of the details about his leaving, how much he (and his then wife?) got paid AFTER he left, what secret agreements he signed, and most importantly he could tell us all STRAIGHT UP about his own personal evolution and why he didn't inherit the kingdom or at least why he failed to learn how to levitate and what the implications for the techniques are. If he gives me some shit like I'm living on the level of fulfilment and don't need any exciting experiences like flying. then, why even try to deal with him after that kind of evasiveness? We all want to fly. We were sold that we could fly. We're not flying. Jerry? Jerry? All we get is crickets about the IMPORTANT issues. No one is giving press conferences. THEY'RE FUCKING COWARDS. Fuck, after leaving the movement, I started reading a ton -- books that were NOT ALLOWED -- and I can now see that Maharishi NEVER wanted us to be spiritually hep and in the philosophical-know, because then we'd have asked some questions that would have made him uncomfortable. Like, he never told us jack about the provenance of the mantras -- or even that the mantra set had changed many times before we were even given our list down the road. (My sister-in-law was okayed to teach merely two mantras to students only -- then, later when she grew up, she was told Just keep giving out those two mantras to adults also now, you don't need the whole set. And, wow, like what the fuck about that, eh?) All these secrets would have been too embarrassing to openly discuss...such as: Um, Maharishi, you started out with only a couple mantras, and then more laterWHAT THE FUCK...were you, like, not totally enlightened when you first gave out the mantras? Jerry once chided me because I used the names of Shiva, Brahma and Visnu in a publication of mine -- it would never do to show the least respect, like that, ya see? But he never chided Maharishi about what he was doing to Hinduism's reputation because of his hob-nobbing with the rich and promising super-powers that would not be delivered. Or did he, and that's why he got fired? If he got fired for those issues and didn't TELL THE REST OF US, well, then, just fuck you Jerry -- you left us all to find out by ourselves that which you knew -- you cost us DECADES of wasted time and maybe up to TWO BILLION DOLLARS of our money that could have gone to charities that actually did shit for the downtrodden. Give me five minutes with Bev the Fat Bastard in an elevator, I dare ya. Somebody's gotta smack the smug off that mug, and at my age, and my race, heck, the judge would probably only be giving me a hand slap and $1,000 fine or something. I got the money. Anyone want to arrange that elevator scenario? I kid. I kid. Or? Edg
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Jeez Michael, I never bought into the TMO claiming that TM was the only real spiritual path, and neither did you. The only thing you heard, and which was claimed, was that TM being an effortless procedure, was therefore the most natural, and therefore the most effective. Now, I am not making any conclusion about the efficacy of that claim. As others hear say, maybe TM is good beginner technique. It worked for me, and I've had nice experiences. That is all I care to say. Now, I get my spiritual kicks in other areas. Do I believe MMY achieved enlightenment? Yes, I do. Do I think things got strange at some point? Yes, again. Do I retain a warm spot for MMY? Yes. And it has grown over time, even though I have distanced myself from the whole tradition he is/was a part of. And it's been a gas! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : well its good to see you are not a complete Marshy sycophant because the Movement says that the only real spiritual path is TM - if one is not doing TM and TMSP REGULARLY one is not on a real spiritual path, according to them. So there may be some hope for you yet, not much but some, maybe. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday As usual Michael you seem unable to process anything between all good,or all bad. What you fail to understand is that people are own their own spiritual path. And just because they've gone in a different direction than where they started doesn't mean they discard or denigrate that initial impetus. It just means that their quest has taken a different turn. Really, it's not complicated, and most people understand that, unless of course they only look for some angle to continually demean a particular spiritual practice. As for the rest of what you say,it's the same we hear from you on a daily basis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : If you thought TM was worth a crap you would do it regularly. I have no fondness for nor affinity for people and organizations that are fraudulent and who function as abusers and thieves. Marshy and his big shot TM leaders have proven themselves to be all of the above. As to the technique, nothing special and the downside outweighs the benefits as I see it. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday Sure, you lay out all the flaws in the whole TM experience. No problem with that. What I perceive in your perspective and that of Edg's is a certain amount of bitterness. And I hope I am wrong. I also was all in during my time, as were many of my friends. Some have stayed all in, such as Tom Ball. But never did I swallow whole, all the grandiose claims. I was focused on the benefits I experienced. And I still am focused on that, even if I am not regular in the practice. And so, I am perplexed by the amount of (apparent, at least) animus you carry towards the whole thing. And Edg as well. I assume we all want to move forward, and we do it in different ways. I try not to be judgmental, but I guess I still am. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : what you consider blind spots - i.e. thinking the truth about Marshy and company, is actually a realist point of view. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday I'm not defending the TMO or Jerry, Michael. I'm just pointing out that the vocal accuser has his own skeletons. Sorry if you don't like that. And I guess, FWIW, that Edg suffers from some of same blind spots as you. Turn that any way you wish. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : why would you want him to do that? Aren't you too busy praying to Marshy and King Tony for salvation to care? From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday Are we ever going to hear you own up to the outright lies you've told here in the name of making a point that you think needs to be made? talk about crickets! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yeah, my jury's still out about the sex stuff, but there was/is a ton of issues about which Jerry would have very juicy insider information, but he'd never spill the beans about how much money goes to Girish's personal checking account, or how many lawsuits the movement settled
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : But Duve But in the time they talked Jerry did say that: 1 - Judith Borque's accusations and allegations are ALL false. Her accusations are false. We knew that already. 2 - Nothing happened with Mia Farrow and Marshy. We knew that already. 3 - It is a lie that Charlie ever said Marshy said black folk could neither transcend nor get enlightened. We knew that already. 4 - ALL and I mean ALL of the untoward allegations made about Marshy by Mark Landau, Billy Clayton, Connie Larson and all the other personal secretaries and skin boys are categorically false. We knew that already. I will close this e-mail by stating emphatically that I love reading a FFL message by Edg Duveyoung!!! I sometimes quote that BAH! I didn't know that, probably you're the only one here.
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God I love your posts!!! I'm living on the level of fulfilment and don't need any exciting experiences like flying. According to friend Bill the above quote is about what Jerry says often these days - he seems also from his conversations with Bill to be embarrassed about the rajas and their behavior. \ But Jerry is a Marshy man all the way. He read to Bill over the phone some excerpts of Marshy's commentary on the Gita - the unpublished one, you know the last chapters and all. From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 5:39 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday Yeah, my jury's still out about the sex stuff, but there was/is a ton of issues about which Jerry would have very juicy insider information, but he'd never spill the beans about how much money goes to Girish's personal checking account, or how many lawsuits the movement settled out of court all hush hush, or We don't know the shit, ya know? International money laundering was COMMON I was told. And, hey, fucking, hey, we were all given to a King who hid his family and kids from us. Oh, come, on, Jerry, where's the PUBLIC complaints to show us your integrity? The thing Jerry could do to make me figure he's on the up and up would be to at least give us some of the details about his leaving, how much he (and his then wife?) got paid AFTER he left, what secret agreements he signed, and most importantly he could tell us all STRAIGHT UP about his own personal evolution and why he didn't inherit the kingdom or at least why he failed to learn how to levitate and what the implications for the techniques are. If he gives me some shit like I'm living on the level of fulfilment and don't need any exciting experiences like flying. then, why even try to deal with him after that kind of evasiveness? We all want to fly. We were sold that we could fly. We're not flying. Jerry? Jerry? All we get is crickets about the IMPORTANT issues. No one is giving press conferences. THEY'RE FUCKING COWARDS. Fuck, after leaving the movement, I started reading a ton -- books that were NOT ALLOWED -- and I can now see that Maharishi NEVER wanted us to be spiritually hep and in the philosophical-know, because then we'd have asked some questions that would have made him uncomfortable. Like, he never told us jack about the provenance of the mantras -- or even that the mantra set had changed many times before we were even given our list down the road. (My sister-in-law was okayed to teach merely two mantras to students only -- then, later when she grew up, she was told Just keep giving out those two mantras to adults also now, you don't need the whole set. And, wow, like what the fuck about that, eh?) All these secrets would have been too embarrassing to openly discuss...such as: Um, Maharishi, you started out with only a couple mantras, and then more laterWHAT THE FUCK...were you, like, not totally enlightened when you first gave out the mantras? Jerry once chided me because I used the names of Shiva, Brahma and Visnu in a publication of mine -- it would never do to show the least respect, like that, ya see? But he never chided Maharishi about what he was doing to Hinduism's reputation because of his hob-nobbing with the rich and promising super-powers that would not be delivered. Or did he, and that's why he got fired? If he got fired for those issues and didn't TELL THE REST OF US, well, then, just fuck you Jerry -- you left us all to find out by ourselves that which you knew -- you cost us DECADES of wasted time and maybe up to TWO BILLION DOLLARS of our money that could have gone to charities that actually did shit for the downtrodden. Give me five minutes with Bev the Fat Bastard in an elevator, I dare ya. Somebody's gotta smack the smug off that mug, and at my age, and my race, heck, the judge would probably only be giving me a hand slap and $1,000 fine or something. I got the money. Anyone want to arrange that elevator scenario? I kid. I kid. Or? Edg
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A few years back they were looking for a volunteer to drive Bevan from Milwaukee or Madison or vice verse and I sure was tempted to sign up and get up to speed, lock the doors and get the grillin' on but then I realized that could back fire and get stuck with 2 hours of cookie-dough conversation and I didn't know if I had the guts to bounce him out at Oconomowoc.
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On 06/30/2014 03:26 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: God I love your posts!!! I'm living on the level of fulfilment and don't need any exciting experiences like flying. According to friend Bill the above quote is about what Jerry says often these days - he seems also from his conversations with Bill to be embarrassed about the rajas and their behavior. \ But Jerry is a Marshy man all the way. He read to Bill over the phone some excerpts of Marshy's commentary on the Gita - the unpublished one, you know the last chapters and all. *From:* Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, June 30, 2014 5:39 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday Yeah, my jury's still out about the sex stuff, but there was/is a ton of issues about which Jerry would have very juicy insider information, but he'd never spill the beans about how much money goes to Girish's personal checking account, or how many lawsuits the movement settled out of court all hush hush, or We don't know the shit, ya know? International money laundering was COMMON I was told. And, hey, fucking, hey, we were all given to a King who hid his family and kids from us. Oh, come, on, Jerry, where's the PUBLIC complaints to show us your integrity? The thing Jerry could do to make me figure he's on the up and up would be to at least give us some of the details about his leaving, how much he (and his then wife?) got paid AFTER he left, what secret agreements he signed, and most importantly he could tell us all STRAIGHT UP about his own personal evolution and why he didn't inherit the kingdom or at least why he failed to learn how to levitate and what the implications for the techniques are. If he gives me some shit like I'm living on the level of fulfilment and don't need any exciting experiences like flying. then, why even try to deal with him after that kind of evasiveness? We all want to fly. We were sold that we could fly. We're not flying. Jerry? Jerry? All we get is crickets about the IMPORTANT issues. No one is giving press conferences. THEY'RE FUCKING COWARDS. Fuck, after leaving the movement, I started reading a ton -- books that were NOT ALLOWED -- and I can now see that Maharishi NEVER wanted us to be spiritually hep and in the philosophical-know, because then we'd have asked some questions that would have made him uncomfortable. Like, he never told us jack about the provenance of the mantras -- or even that the mantra set had changed many times before we were even given our list down the road. (My sister-in-law was okayed to teach merely two mantras to students only -- then, later when she grew up, she was told Just keep giving out those two mantras to adults also now, you don't need the whole set. And, wow, like what the fuck about that, eh?) All these secrets would have been too embarrassing to openly discuss...such as: Um, Maharishi, you started out with only a couple mantras, and then more laterWHAT THE FUCK...were you, like, not totally enlightened when you first gave out the mantras? See? There's nothing special about the mantras. You could even just use one. Real gurus, BTW, figure out your disposition and give you a mantra that suits that. This is no too different from giving mantras according to ayurveda. However in ayurveda if your vakriti changes then you need to use a different mantra for that. Westerners, especially in the 1960s, knew shit about mantras so you could give them about anything. TM mantras are goddess mantras but there are also Shiva mantras which might suit others. I'm sure Maharishi thought that if the TM mantras didn't work for them they would probably wander off to someone like Muktananda for a Shiva mantra. And yes, someone even doing a TM mantra could pop and cross over the line. It's all about where you are when you start. Some folks may have a few lifetime's wait. Don't make it longer. Jerry once chided me because I used the names of Shiva, Brahma and Visnu in a publication of mine -- it would never do to show the least respect, like that, ya see? But he never chided Maharishi about what he was doing to Hinduism's reputation because of his hob-nobbing with the rich and promising super-powers that would not be delivered. Or did he, and that's why he got fired? If he got fired for those issues and didn't TELL THE REST OF US, well, then, just fuck you Jerry -- you left us all to find out by ourselves that which you knew -- you cost us DECADES of wasted time and maybe up to TWO BILLION DOLLARS of our money that could have gone to charities that actually did shit for the downtrodden. Give me five minutes with Bev the Fat Bastard in an elevator, I dare ya. Somebody's gotta smack the smug off that mug, and at my age, and my race, heck
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On 6/30/2014 2:47 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: But Duve Jerry still got one-a Marshy's old passports and by all accounts he revers it - actually only my friend Bill told me that - he's the one I mentioned was having semi-regular conversations with Jerry - till he started asking Jerry some questions that made Jerr uncomfortable. But in the time they talked Jerry did say that: 1 - Judith Borque's accusations and allegations are ALL false. 2 - Nothing happened with Mia Farrow and Marshy. 3 - It is a lie that Charlie ever said Marshy said black folk could neither transcend nor get enlightened. 4 - ALL and I mean ALL of the untoward allegations made about Marshy by Mark Landau, Billy Clayton, Connie Larson and all the other personal secretaries and skin boys are categorically false. No word on how all of them saw stuff that Jerry didn't. I will close this e-mail by stating emphatically that I love reading a FFL message by Edg Duveyoung!!! I sometimes quote that BAH! You can tell if you're getting really old when you talk mostly about where you have been - instead of where you are going. You and Ed are maybe the only two informants that care what Connie Larsson said about MMY forty years ago. *From:* Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, June 30, 2014 1:30 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday Why? He never wished me a happy birthday. All he wished was for him to be in on the secrets and be special in our eyes while not telling us about the shit coming down behind the scenes. No transparency equals no honesty. And what did he get? Kicked out on his ass, and for what? WE. DON'T. GET. TO. KNOW. He was dumped and he still didn't squeal on the TMO -- why? -- I'm betting it was PLAIN OLD MONEY. Bought to shut the fuck up. Tell us about the money, Jerry, and about Girish et alia, Jerry, and then maybe you'll get an honest birthday greeting from us. BAH on all this the old timers are to be respected shit -- they all took it up the ass like the rest of us -- keeping quiet about every sort of shenanigan. And, now, what? he's too fucking old to yell at? Listen, didn't he let ALL OF US THINK HE WAS GOD CONSCIOUS? He never was humble enough to admit the TM technique had not done the trick. Fucker never even took the siddhis...or if he did, HE NEVER LEVITATED, right? Right, Jerry? This is the movement bullshit loud and tawdry -- honor those who fucked us over whenever it served HIM PERSONALLY. He didn't have the GUTS to face down Maharishi, so he wussed out and took the dough. Go ahead, someone here try to defend him -- whatever good he did, he did for himself, and the bad he did was ten times more bad than the good he did. He owes the universe big time. And, Rick, you're in cahoots with him in that you're protecting him from the likes of me and my opinions. HE DOESN'T FUCKING DESERVE JACK SHIT UNLESS HE CONFESSES HIS SINS UNTO US. Signed, Edward William Duveyoung -- my real full name and I'm in the phone book.
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Are we ever going to hear you own up to the outright lies you've told here in the name of making a point that you think needs to be made? talk about crickets! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yeah, my jury's still out about the sex stuff, but there was/is a ton of issues about which Jerry would have very juicy insider information, but he'd never spill the beans about how much money goes to Girish's personal checking account, or how many lawsuits the movement settled out of court all hush hush, or We don't know the shit, ya know? International money laundering was COMMON I was told. And, hey, fucking, hey, we were all given to a King who hid his family and kids from us. Oh, come, on, Jerry, where's the PUBLIC complaints to show us your integrity? The thing Jerry could do to make me figure he's on the up and up would be to at least give us some of the details about his leaving, how much he (and his then wife?) got paid AFTER he left, what secret agreements he signed, and most importantly he could tell us all STRAIGHT UP about his own personal evolution and why he didn't inherit the kingdom or at least why he failed to learn how to levitate and what the implications for the techniques are. If he gives me some shit like I'm living on the level of fulfilment and don't need any exciting experiences like flying. then, why even try to deal with him after that kind of evasiveness? We all want to fly. We were sold that we could fly. We're not flying. Jerry? Jerry? All we get is crickets about the IMPORTANT issues. No one is giving press conferences. THEY'RE FUCKING COWARDS. Fuck, after leaving the movement, I started reading a ton -- books that were NOT ALLOWED -- and I can now see that Maharishi NEVER wanted us to be spiritually hep and in the philosophical-know, because then we'd have asked some questions that would have made him uncomfortable. Like, he never told us jack about the provenance of the mantras -- or even that the mantra set had changed many times before we were even given our list down the road. (My sister-in-law was okayed to teach merely two mantras to students only -- then, later when she grew up, she was told Just keep giving out those two mantras to adults also now, you don't need the whole set. And, wow, like what the fuck about that, eh?) All these secrets would have been too embarrassing to openly discuss...such as: Um, Maharishi, you started out with only a couple mantras, and then more laterWHAT THE FUCK...were you, like, not totally enlightened when you first gave out the mantras? Jerry once chided me because I used the names of Shiva, Brahma and Visnu in a publication of mine -- it would never do to show the least respect, like that, ya see? But he never chided Maharishi about what he was doing to Hinduism's reputation because of his hob-nobbing with the rich and promising super-powers that would not be delivered. Or did he, and that's why he got fired? If he got fired for those issues and didn't TELL THE REST OF US, well, then, just fuck you Jerry -- you left us all to find out by ourselves that which you knew -- you cost us DECADES of wasted time and maybe up to TWO BILLION DOLLARS of our money that could have gone to charities that actually did shit for the downtrodden. Give me five minutes with Bev the Fat Bastard in an elevator, I dare ya. Somebody's gotta smack the smug off that mug, and at my age, and my race, heck, the judge would probably only be giving me a hand slap and $1,000 fine or something. I got the money. Anyone want to arrange that elevator scenario? I kid. I kid. Or? Edg
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why would you want him to do that? Aren't you too busy praying to Marshy and King Tony for salvation to care? From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday Are we ever going to hear you own up to the outright lies you've told here in the name of making a point that you think needs to be made? talk about crickets! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yeah, my jury's still out about the sex stuff, but there was/is a ton of issues about which Jerry would have very juicy insider information, but he'd never spill the beans about how much money goes to Girish's personal checking account, or how many lawsuits the movement settled out of court all hush hush, or We don't know the shit, ya know? International money laundering was COMMON I was told. And, hey, fucking, hey, we were all given to a King who hid his family and kids from us. Oh, come, on, Jerry, where's the PUBLIC complaints to show us your integrity? The thing Jerry could do to make me figure he's on the up and up would be to at least give us some of the details about his leaving, how much he (and his then wife?) got paid AFTER he left, what secret agreements he signed, and most importantly he could tell us all STRAIGHT UP about his own personal evolution and why he didn't inherit the kingdom or at least why he failed to learn how to levitate and what the implications for the techniques are. If he gives me some shit like I'm living on the level of fulfilment and don't need any exciting experiences like flying. then, why even try to deal with him after that kind of evasiveness? We all want to fly. We were sold that we could fly. We're not flying. Jerry? Jerry? All we get is crickets about the IMPORTANT issues. No one is giving press conferences. THEY'RE FUCKING COWARDS. Fuck, after leaving the movement, I started reading a ton -- books that were NOT ALLOWED -- and I can now see that Maharishi NEVER wanted us to be spiritually hep and in the philosophical-know, because then we'd have asked some questions that would have made him uncomfortable. Like, he never told us jack about the provenance of the mantras -- or even that the mantra set had changed many times before we were even given our list down the road. (My sister-in-law was okayed to teach merely two mantras to students only -- then, later when she grew up, she was told Just keep giving out those two mantras to adults also now, you don't need the whole set. And, wow, like what the fuck about that, eh?) All these secrets would have been too embarrassing to openly discuss...such as: Um, Maharishi, you started out with only a couple mantras, and then more laterWHAT THE FUCK...were you, like, not totally enlightened when you first gave out the mantras? Jerry once chided me because I used the names of Shiva, Brahma and Visnu in a publication of mine -- it would never do to show the least respect, like that, ya see? But he never chided Maharishi about what he was doing to Hinduism's reputation because of his hob-nobbing with the rich and promising super-powers that would not be delivered. Or did he, and that's why he got fired? If he got fired for those issues and didn't TELL THE REST OF US, well, then, just fuck you Jerry -- you left us all to find out by ourselves that which you knew -- you cost us DECADES of wasted time and maybe up to TWO BILLION DOLLARS of our money that could have gone to charities that actually did shit for the downtrodden. Give me five minutes with Bev the Fat Bastard in an elevator, I dare ya. Somebody's gotta smack the smug off that mug, and at my age, and my race, heck, the judge would probably only be giving me a hand slap and $1,000 fine or something. I got the money. Anyone want to arrange that elevator scenario? I kid. I kid. Or? Edg
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On 6/30/2014 4:39 PM, Duveyoung wrote: Yeah, my jury's still out about the sex stuff, but there was/is a ton of issues about which Jerry would have very juicy insider information, but he'd never spill the beans about how much money goes to Girish's personal checking account, or how many lawsuits the movement settled out of court all hush hush, or We don't know the shit, ya know? International money laundering was COMMON I was told. And, hey, fucking, hey, we were all given to a King who hid his family and kids from us. Oh, come, on, Jerry, where's the PUBLIC complaints to show us your integrity? The thing Jerry could do to make me figure he's on the up and up would be to at least give us some of the details about his leaving, how much he (and his then wife?) got paid AFTER he left, what secret agreements he signed, and most importantly he could tell us all STRAIGHT UP about his own personal evolution and why he didn't inherit the kingdom or at least why he failed to learn how to levitate and what the implications for the techniques are. If he gives me some shit like I'm living on the level of fulfilment and don't need any exciting experiences like flying. then, why even try to deal with him after that kind of evasiveness? We all want to fly. We were sold that we could fly. We're not flying. Jerry? Jerry? All we get is crickets about the IMPORTANT issues. No one is giving press conferences. THEY'RE FUCKING COWARDS. Fuck, after leaving the movement, I started reading a ton -- books that were NOT ALLOWED -- and I can now see that Maharishi NEVER wanted us to be spiritually hep and in the philosophical-know, because then we'd have asked some questions that would have made him uncomfortable. Like, he never told us jack about the provenance of the mantras -- or even that the mantra set had changed many times before we were even given our list down the road. (My sister-in-law was okayed to teach merely two mantras to students only -- then, later when she grew up, she was told Just keep giving out those two mantras to adults also now, you don't need the whole set. And, wow, like what the fuck about that, eh?) All these secrets would have been too embarrassing to openly discuss...such as: Um, Maharishi, you started out with only a couple mantras, and then more laterWHAT THE FUCK...were you, like, not totally enlightened when you first gave out the mantras? Jerry once chided me because I used the names of Shiva, Brahma and Visnu in a publication of mine -- it would never do to show the least respect, like that, ya see? But he never chided Maharishi about what he was doing to Hinduism's reputation because of his hob-nobbing with the rich and promising super-powers that would not be delivered. Or did he, and that's why he got fired? If he got fired for those issues and didn't TELL THE REST OF US, well, then, just fuck you Jerry -- you left us all to find out by ourselves that which you knew -- you cost us DECADES of wasted time and maybe up to TWO BILLION DOLLARS of our money that could have gone to charities that actually did shit for the downtrodden. Give me five minutes with Bev the Fat Bastard in an elevator, I dare ya. Somebody's gotta smack the smug off that mug, and at my age, and my race, heck, the judge would probably only be giving me a hand slap and $1,000 fine or something. I got the money. Anyone want to arrange that elevator scenario? I kid. I kid. Or? Edg If you've read so many books and know so much why don't you tell us where the TM mantras came from? I've been asking you for years. Why won't you tell us, Ed? It shouldn't take thirty years for you to post an explanation. I started asking the question about a half an hour after I learned TM - but you seemed to be happy just muttering your mantras for a long time - no questions asked. It's kind of late to fault Jerry for your own ignorance. Go figure.
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On 6/30/2014 7:31 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Are we ever going to hear you own up to the outright lies you've told here in the name of making a point that you think needs to be made? talk about crickets! Well, I hope this guy doesn't go postal on us. You can tell if a guy is really old when he talks more about where he has been rather than where he is going. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yeah, my jury's still out about the sex stuff, but there was/is a ton of issues about which Jerry would have very juicy insider information, but he'd never spill the beans about how much money goes to Girish's personal checking account, or how many lawsuits the movement settled out of court all hush hush, or We don't know the shit, ya know? International money laundering was COMMON I was told. And, hey, fucking, hey, we were all given to a King who hid his family and kids from us. Oh, come, on, Jerry, where's the PUBLIC complaints to show us your integrity? The thing Jerry could do to make me figure he's on the up and up would be to at least give us some of the details about his leaving, how much he (and his then wife?) got paid AFTER he left, what secret agreements he signed, and most importantly he could tell us all STRAIGHT UP about his own personal evolution and why he didn't inherit the kingdom or at least why he failed to learn how to levitate and what the implications for the techniques are. If he gives me some shit like I'm living on the level of fulfilment and don't need any exciting experiences like flying. then, why even try to deal with him after that kind of evasiveness? We all want to fly. We were sold that we could fly. We're not flying. Jerry? Jerry? All we get is crickets about the IMPORTANT issues. No one is giving press conferences. THEY'RE FUCKING COWARDS. Fuck, after leaving the movement, I started reading a ton -- books that were NOT ALLOWED -- and I can now see that Maharishi NEVER wanted us to be spiritually hep and in the philosophical-know, because then we'd have asked some questions that would have made him uncomfortable. Like, he never told us jack about the provenance of the mantras -- or even that the mantra set had changed many times before we were even given our list down the road. (My sister-in-law was okayed to teach merely two mantras to students only -- then, later when she grew up, she was told Just keep giving out those two mantras to adults also now, you don't need the whole set. And, wow, like what the fuck about that, eh?) All these secrets would have been too embarrassing to openly discuss...such as: Um, Maharishi, you started out with only a couple mantras, and then more laterWHAT THE FUCK...were you, like, not totally enlightened when you first gave out the mantras? Jerry once chided me because I used the names of Shiva, Brahma and Visnu in a publication of mine -- it would never do to show the least respect, like that, ya see? But he never chided Maharishi about what he was doing to Hinduism's reputation because of his hob-nobbing with the rich and promising super-powers that would not be delivered. Or did he, and that's why he got fired? If he got fired for those issues and didn't TELL THE REST OF US, well, then, just fuck you Jerry -- you left us all to find out by ourselves that which you knew -- you cost us DECADES of wasted time and maybe up to TWO BILLION DOLLARS of our money that could have gone to charities that actually did shit for the downtrodden. Give me five minutes with Bev the Fat Bastard in an elevator, I dare ya. Somebody's gotta smack the smug off that mug, and at my age, and my race, heck, the judge would probably only be giving me a hand slap and $1,000 fine or something. I got the money. Anyone want to arrange that elevator scenario? I kid. I kid. Or? Edg
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I'm not defending the TMO or Jerry, Michael. I'm just pointing out that the vocal accuser has his own skeletons. Sorry if you don't like that. And I guess, FWIW, that Edg suffers from some of same blind spots as you. Turn that any way you wish. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : why would you want him to do that? Aren't you too busy praying to Marshy and King Tony for salvation to care? From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday Are we ever going to hear you own up to the outright lies you've told here in the name of making a point that you think needs to be made? talk about crickets! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yeah, my jury's still out about the sex stuff, but there was/is a ton of issues about which Jerry would have very juicy insider information, but he'd never spill the beans about how much money goes to Girish's personal checking account, or how many lawsuits the movement settled out of court all hush hush, or We don't know the shit, ya know? International money laundering was COMMON I was told. And, hey, fucking, hey, we were all given to a King who hid his family and kids from us. Oh, come, on, Jerry, where's the PUBLIC complaints to show us your integrity? The thing Jerry could do to make me figure he's on the up and up would be to at least give us some of the details about his leaving, how much he (and his then wife?) got paid AFTER he left, what secret agreements he signed, and most importantly he could tell us all STRAIGHT UP about his own personal evolution and why he didn't inherit the kingdom or at least why he failed to learn how to levitate and what the implications for the techniques are. If he gives me some shit like I'm living on the level of fulfilment and don't need any exciting experiences like flying. then, why even try to deal with him after that kind of evasiveness? We all want to fly. We were sold that we could fly. We're not flying. Jerry? Jerry? All we get is crickets about the IMPORTANT issues. No one is giving press conferences. THEY'RE FUCKING COWARDS. Fuck, after leaving the movement, I started reading a ton -- books that were NOT ALLOWED -- and I can now see that Maharishi NEVER wanted us to be spiritually hep and in the philosophical-know, because then we'd have asked some questions that would have made him uncomfortable. Like, he never told us jack about the provenance of the mantras -- or even that the mantra set had changed many times before we were even given our list down the road. (My sister-in-law was okayed to teach merely two mantras to students only -- then, later when she grew up, she was told Just keep giving out those two mantras to adults also now, you don't need the whole set. And, wow, like what the fuck about that, eh?) All these secrets would have been too embarrassing to openly discuss...such as: Um, Maharishi, you started out with only a couple mantras, and then more laterWHAT THE FUCK...were you, like, not totally enlightened when you first gave out the mantras? Jerry once chided me because I used the names of Shiva, Brahma and Visnu in a publication of mine -- it would never do to show the least respect, like that, ya see? But he never chided Maharishi about what he was doing to Hinduism's reputation because of his hob-nobbing with the rich and promising super-powers that would not be delivered. Or did he, and that's why he got fired? If he got fired for those issues and didn't TELL THE REST OF US, well, then, just fuck you Jerry -- you left us all to find out by ourselves that which you knew -- you cost us DECADES of wasted time and maybe up to TWO BILLION DOLLARS of our money that could have gone to charities that actually did shit for the downtrodden. Give me five minutes with Bev the Fat Bastard in an elevator, I dare ya. Somebody's gotta smack the smug off that mug, and at my age, and my race, heck, the judge would probably only be giving me a hand slap and $1,000 fine or something. I got the money. Anyone want to arrange that elevator scenario? I kid. I kid. Or? Edg
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On 6/30/2014 6:48 PM, inmadi...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: A few years back they were looking for a volunteer to drive Bevan from Milwaukee or Madison or vice verse and I sure was tempted to sign up and get up to speed, lock the doors and get the grillin' on but then I realized that could back fire and get stuck with 2 hours of cookie-dough conversation and I didn't know if I had the guts to bounce him out at Oconomowoc. Back in 1968 I drove Jerry from the Berkeley TM Center to the S.F. Airport. There wasn't much to say during the trip, but after I dropped him off and headed back to turn in the rental car I turned on the radio. But, I'm trying to not talk about where I've been, instead I want to talk about where I'm going. So, I'm going to Whole Foods Market tonight with Rita. Now that's better!
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Like. On 6/30/2014 5:10 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : But Duve But in the time they talked Jerry did say that: 1 - Judith Borque's accusations and allegations are ALL false. Her accusations are false. We knew that already. 2 - Nothing happened with Mia Farrow and Marshy. We knew that already. 3 - It is a lie that Charlie ever said Marshy said black folk could neither transcend nor get enlightened. We knew that already. 4 - ALL and I mean ALL of the untoward allegations made about Marshy by Mark Landau, Billy Clayton, Connie Larson and all the other personal secretaries and skin boys are categorically false. We knew that already. I will close this e-mail by stating emphatically that I love reading a FFL message by Edg Duveyoung!!! I sometimes quote that BAH! I didn't know that, probably you're the only one here.
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what you consider blind spots - i.e. thinking the truth about Marshy and company, is actually a realist point of view. From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday I'm not defending the TMO or Jerry, Michael. I'm just pointing out that the vocal accuser has his own skeletons. Sorry if you don't like that. And I guess, FWIW, that Edg suffers from some of same blind spots as you. Turn that any way you wish. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : why would you want him to do that? Aren't you too busy praying to Marshy and King Tony for salvation to care? From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday Are we ever going to hear you own up to the outright lies you've told here in the name of making a point that you think needs to be made? talk about crickets! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yeah, my jury's still out about the sex stuff, but there was/is a ton of issues about which Jerry would have very juicy insider information, but he'd never spill the beans about how much money goes to Girish's personal checking account, or how many lawsuits the movement settled out of court all hush hush, or We don't know the shit, ya know? International money laundering was COMMON I was told. And, hey, fucking, hey, we were all given to a King who hid his family and kids from us. Oh, come, on, Jerry, where's the PUBLIC complaints to show us your integrity? The thing Jerry could do to make me figure he's on the up and up would be to at least give us some of the details about his leaving, how much he (and his then wife?) got paid AFTER he left, what secret agreements he signed, and most importantly he could tell us all STRAIGHT UP about his own personal evolution and why he didn't inherit the kingdom or at least why he failed to learn how to levitate and what the implications for the techniques are. If he gives me some shit like I'm living on the level of fulfilment and don't need any exciting experiences like flying. then, why even try to deal with him after that kind of evasiveness? We all want to fly. We were sold that we could fly. We're not flying. Jerry? Jerry? All we get is crickets about the IMPORTANT issues. No one is giving press conferences. THEY'RE FUCKING COWARDS. Fuck, after leaving the movement, I started reading a ton -- books that were NOT ALLOWED -- and I can now see that Maharishi NEVER wanted us to be spiritually hep and in the philosophical-know, because then we'd have asked some questions that would have made him uncomfortable. Like, he never told us jack about the provenance of the mantras -- or even that the mantra set had changed many times before we were even given our list down the road. (My sister-in-law was okayed to teach merely two mantras to students only -- then, later when she grew up, she was told Just keep giving out those two mantras to adults also now, you don't need the whole set. And, wow, like what the fuck about that, eh?) All these secrets would have been too embarrassing to openly discuss...such as: Um, Maharishi, you started out with only a couple mantras, and then more laterWHAT THE FUCK...were you, like, not totally enlightened when you first gave out the mantras? Jerry once chided me because I used the names of Shiva, Brahma and Visnu in a publication of mine -- it would never do to show the least respect, like that, ya see? But he never chided Maharishi about what he was doing to Hinduism's reputation because of his hob-nobbing with the rich and promising super-powers that would not be delivered. Or did he, and that's why he got fired? If he got fired for those issues and didn't TELL THE REST OF US, well, then, just fuck you Jerry -- you left us all to find out by ourselves that which you knew -- you cost us DECADES of wasted time and maybe up to TWO BILLION DOLLARS of our money that could have gone to charities that actually did shit for the downtrodden. Give me five minutes with Bev the Fat Bastard in an elevator, I dare ya. Somebody's gotta smack the smug off that mug, and at my age, and my race, heck, the judge would probably only be giving me a hand slap and $1,000 fine or something. I got the money. Anyone want to arrange that elevator scenario? I kid. I kid. Or? Edg
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday
Sure, you lay out all the flaws in the whole TM experience. No problem with that. What I perceive in your perspective and that of Edg's is a certain amount of bitterness. And I hope I am wrong. I also was all in during my time, as were many of my friends. Some have stayed all in, such as Tom Ball. But never did I swallow whole, all the grandiose claims. I was focused on the benefits I experienced. And I still am focused on that, even if I am not regular in the practice. And so, I am perplexed by the amount of (apparent, at least) animus you carry towards the whole thing. And Edg as well. I assume we all want to move forward, and we do it in different ways. I try not to be judgmental, but I guess I still am. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : what you consider blind spots - i.e. thinking the truth about Marshy and company, is actually a realist point of view. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday I'm not defending the TMO or Jerry, Michael. I'm just pointing out that the vocal accuser has his own skeletons. Sorry if you don't like that. And I guess, FWIW, that Edg suffers from some of same blind spots as you. Turn that any way you wish. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : why would you want him to do that? Aren't you too busy praying to Marshy and King Tony for salvation to care? From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday Are we ever going to hear you own up to the outright lies you've told here in the name of making a point that you think needs to be made? talk about crickets! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yeah, my jury's still out about the sex stuff, but there was/is a ton of issues about which Jerry would have very juicy insider information, but he'd never spill the beans about how much money goes to Girish's personal checking account, or how many lawsuits the movement settled out of court all hush hush, or We don't know the shit, ya know? International money laundering was COMMON I was told. And, hey, fucking, hey, we were all given to a King who hid his family and kids from us. Oh, come, on, Jerry, where's the PUBLIC complaints to show us your integrity? The thing Jerry could do to make me figure he's on the up and up would be to at least give us some of the details about his leaving, how much he (and his then wife?) got paid AFTER he left, what secret agreements he signed, and most importantly he could tell us all STRAIGHT UP about his own personal evolution and why he didn't inherit the kingdom or at least why he failed to learn how to levitate and what the implications for the techniques are. If he gives me some shit like I'm living on the level of fulfilment and don't need any exciting experiences like flying. then, why even try to deal with him after that kind of evasiveness? We all want to fly. We were sold that we could fly. We're not flying. Jerry? Jerry? All we get is crickets about the IMPORTANT issues. No one is giving press conferences. THEY'RE FUCKING COWARDS. Fuck, after leaving the movement, I started reading a ton -- books that were NOT ALLOWED -- and I can now see that Maharishi NEVER wanted us to be spiritually hep and in the philosophical-know, because then we'd have asked some questions that would have made him uncomfortable. Like, he never told us jack about the provenance of the mantras -- or even that the mantra set had changed many times before we were even given our list down the road. (My sister-in-law was okayed to teach merely two mantras to students only -- then, later when she grew up, she was told Just keep giving out those two mantras to adults also now, you don't need the whole set. And, wow, like what the fuck about that, eh?) All these secrets would have been too embarrassing to openly discuss...such as: Um, Maharishi, you started out with only a couple mantras, and then more laterWHAT THE FUCK...were you, like, not totally enlightened when you first gave out the mantras? Jerry once chided me because I used the names of Shiva, Brahma and Visnu in a publication of mine -- it would never do to show the least respect, like that, ya see? But he never chided Maharishi about what he was doing to Hinduism's reputation because of his hob-nobbing with the rich and promising super-powers that would not be delivered. Or did he, and that's why he got fired? If he got fired for those issues and didn't TELL THE REST OF US, well, then, just fuck you Jerry -- you left us all to find out by ourselves that which
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday
Why? He never wished me a happy birthday. All he wished was for him to be in on the secrets and be special in our eyes while not telling us about the shit coming down behind the scenes. No transparency equals no honesty. And what did he get? Kicked out on his ass, and for what? WE. DON'T. GET. TO. KNOW. He was dumped and he still didn't squeal on the TMO -- why? -- I'm betting it was PLAIN OLD MONEY. Bought to shut the fuck up. Tell us about the money, Jerry, and about Girish et alia, Jerry, and then maybe you'll get an honest birthday greeting from us. BAH on all this the old timers are to be respected shit -- they all took it up the ass like the rest of us -- keeping quiet about every sort of shenanigan. And, now, what? he's too fucking old to yell at? Listen, didn't he let ALL OF US THINK HE WAS GOD CONSCIOUS? He never was humble enough to admit the TM technique had not done the trick. Fucker never even took the siddhis...or if he did, HE NEVER LEVITATED, right? Right, Jerry? This is the movement bullshit loud and tawdry -- honor those who fucked us over whenever it served HIM PERSONALLY. He didn't have the GUTS to face down Maharishi, so he wussed out and took the dough. Go ahead, someone here try to defend him -- whatever good he did, he did for himself, and the bad he did was ten times more bad than the good he did. He owes the universe big time. And, Rick, you're in cahoots with him in that you're protecting him from the likes of me and my opinions. HE DOESN'T FUCKING DESERVE JACK SHIT UNLESS HE CONFESSES HIS SINS UNTO US. Signed, Edward William Duveyoung -- my real full name and I'm in the phone book.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday
But Duve Jerry still got one-a Marshy's old passports and by all accounts he revers it - actually only my friend Bill told me that - he's the one I mentioned was having semi-regular conversations with Jerry - till he started asking Jerry some questions that made Jerr uncomfortable. But in the time they talked Jerry did say that: 1 - Judith Borque's accusations and allegations are ALL false. 2 - Nothing happened with Mia Farrow and Marshy. 3 - It is a lie that Charlie ever said Marshy said black folk could neither transcend nor get enlightened. 4 - ALL and I mean ALL of the untoward allegations made about Marshy by Mark Landau, Billy Clayton, Connie Larson and all the other personal secretaries and skin boys are categorically false. No word on how all of them saw stuff that Jerry didn't. I will close this e-mail by stating emphatically that I love reading a FFL message by Edg Duveyoung!!! I sometimes quote that BAH! From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 1:30 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday Why? He never wished me a happy birthday. All he wished was for him to be in on the secrets and be special in our eyes while not telling us about the shit coming down behind the scenes. No transparency equals no honesty. And what did he get? Kicked out on his ass, and for what? WE. DON'T. GET. TO. KNOW. He was dumped and he still didn't squeal on the TMO -- why? -- I'm betting it was PLAIN OLD MONEY. Bought to shut the fuck up. Tell us about the money, Jerry, and about Girish et alia, Jerry, and then maybe you'll get an honest birthday greeting from us. BAH on all this the old timers are to be respected shit -- they all took it up the ass like the rest of us -- keeping quiet about every sort of shenanigan. And, now, what? he's too fucking old to yell at? Listen, didn't he let ALL OF US THINK HE WAS GOD CONSCIOUS? He never was humble enough to admit the TM technique had not done the trick. Fucker never even took the siddhis...or if he did, HE NEVER LEVITATED, right? Right, Jerry? This is the movement bullshit loud and tawdry -- honor those who fucked us over whenever it served HIM PERSONALLY. He didn't have the GUTS to face down Maharishi, so he wussed out and took the dough. Go ahead, someone here try to defend him -- whatever good he did, he did for himself, and the bad he did was ten times more bad than the good he did. He owes the universe big time. And, Rick, you're in cahoots with him in that you're protecting him from the likes of me and my opinions. HE DOESN'T FUCKING DESERVE JACK SHIT UNLESS HE CONFESSES HIS SINS UNTO US. Signed, Edward William Duveyoung -- my real full name and I'm in the phone book.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis' Birthday
Yeah, my jury's still out about the sex stuff, but there was/is a ton of issues about which Jerry would have very juicy insider information, but he'd never spill the beans about how much money goes to Girish's personal checking account, or how many lawsuits the movement settled out of court all hush hush, or We don't know the shit, ya know? International money laundering was COMMON I was told. And, hey, fucking, hey, we were all given to a King who hid his family and kids from us. Oh, come, on, Jerry, where's the PUBLIC complaints to show us your integrity? The thing Jerry could do to make me figure he's on the up and up would be to at least give us some of the details about his leaving, how much he (and his then wife?) got paid AFTER he left, what secret agreements he signed, and most importantly he could tell us all STRAIGHT UP about his own personal evolution and why he didn't inherit the kingdom or at least why he failed to learn how to levitate and what the implications for the techniques are. If he gives me some shit like I'm living on the level of fulfilment and don't need any exciting experiences like flying. then, why even try to deal with him after that kind of evasiveness? We all want to fly. We were sold that we could fly. We're not flying. Jerry? Jerry? All we get is crickets about the IMPORTANT issues. No one is giving press conferences. THEY'RE FUCKING COWARDS. Fuck, after leaving the movement, I started reading a ton -- books that were NOT ALLOWED -- and I can now see that Maharishi NEVER wanted us to be spiritually hep and in the philosophical-know, because then we'd have asked some questions that would have made him uncomfortable. Like, he never told us jack about the provenance of the mantras -- or even that the mantra set had changed many times before we were even given our list down the road. (My sister-in-law was okayed to teach merely two mantras to students only -- then, later when she grew up, she was told Just keep giving out those two mantras to adults also now, you don't need the whole set. And, wow, like what the fuck about that, eh?) All these secrets would have been too embarrassing to openly discuss...such as: Um, Maharishi, you started out with only a couple mantras, and then more laterWHAT THE FUCK...were you, like, not totally enlightened when you first gave out the mantras? Jerry once chided me because I used the names of Shiva, Brahma and Visnu in a publication of mine -- it would never do to show the least respect, like that, ya see? But he never chided Maharishi about what he was doing to Hinduism's reputation because of his hob-nobbing with the rich and promising super-powers that would not be delivered. Or did he, and that's why he got fired? If he got fired for those issues and didn't TELL THE REST OF US, well, then, just fuck you Jerry -- you left us all to find out by ourselves that which you knew -- you cost us DECADES of wasted time and maybe up to TWO BILLION DOLLARS of our money that could have gone to charities that actually did shit for the downtrodden. Give me five minutes with Bev the Fat Bastard in an elevator, I dare ya. Somebody's gotta smack the smug off that mug, and at my age, and my race, heck, the judge would probably only be giving me a hand slap and $1,000 fine or something. I got the money. Anyone want to arrange that elevator scenario? I kid. I kid. Or? Edg
