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Mike Dixon: ...it sure makes more since than the Replacement theology taught for so long, which would make God a liar in his own words. As for what anybody chooses to believe, that's their business, not mine. do.rflex: 'My' understanding from the Christian fundamentalists is generally that anyone who doesn't accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior, is headed for the...'Lake of Fire' described in the Book of Revelation. Replacement theology teaches that the Church has replaced Israel. But, the majority of Evangelical Christians do not ascribe to 'replacement theology'. In Romans 9, Chapter 11, Paul writes that God has not cast away Israel.
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And you consider your side to be nuanced? WillyTex has it correct,some Christians believe this, however, by and large most do not. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Mike Dixon: ...it sure makes more since than the Replacement theology taught for so long, which would make God a liar in his own words. As for what anybody chooses to believe, that's their business, not mine. do.rflex: 'My' understanding from the Christian fundamentalists is generally that anyone who doesn't accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior, is headed for the...'Lake of Fire' described in the Book of Revelation. Replacement theology teaches that the Church has replaced Israel. But, the majority of Evangelical Christians do not ascribe to 'replacement theology'. In Romans 9, Chapter 11, Paul writes that God has not cast away Israel.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: Who cares what they say about the Jews, it's how they act towards the Jews and Israel and they do a damn better job than you!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: This is the reason why this city could be the cause of Armageddon, the next world war. It is likely that the US would be on the side of Israel since there are still fundamentalist Christians who believe that this war will be between the forces of good and evil, thus leading to the Second Coming of Christ and the Rapture. What do these fundamentalist Christians say is going to happen to the Jews who don't accept Jesus as their Savior? Also, there is a fairly strong Jewish influence in the US which will lobby the politicians to support the Israeli cause. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: I expect squirming from the usual suspects http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_YPKnXi10M
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever
Al-Jazeerah, really? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: I jsut abhor the militaristic, elitist, chauvanist, barbarian underbelly. - You mean you abhor toughness, that's a personal issue I guess If you watched the videos I posted in response to yours, and you call that toughness -- as in being a good thing -- you have pretty much confirmed all of my points. Thanks -- you have made your position abundantly clear for all to see. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: I expect squirming from the usual suspects http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_YPKnXi10M Yes wonderful stuff. Religious elitism and entitlement at its best. Unapoligetic rights claimed to beat the shit out of anyone outside the clan. Imperialistic claims based on archaic myths -- or at best 3000 year old heretitary claims. Wonderful stuff. And i love israel, and it s entrepreneurial, semi-democratic, pioneer, spirit. I jsut abhor the militaristic, elitist, chauvanist, barbarian underbelly.
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My propaganda is better than yours: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGUxzISr9Us --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: I jsut abhor the militaristic, elitist, chauvanist, barbarian underbelly. - You mean you abhor toughness, that's a personal issue I guess If you watched the videos I posted in response to yours, and you call that toughness -- as in being a good thing -- you have pretty much confirmed all of my points. Thanks -- you have made your position abundantly clear for all to see. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: I expect squirming from the usual suspects http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_YPKnXi10M Yes wonderful stuff. Religious elitism and entitlement at its best. Unapoligetic rights claimed to beat the shit out of anyone outside the clan. Imperialistic claims based on archaic myths -- or at best 3000 year old heretitary claims. Wonderful stuff. And i love israel, and it s entrepreneurial, semi-democratic, pioneer, spirit. I jsut abhor the militaristic, elitist, chauvanist, barbarian underbelly.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever
You might like this article by Dennis Prager on the Genesis prediction and Israel and why conservative christians believe in a strong Israel: http://tiny.cc/pxnx5 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: If your question is serious, read the story of Joseph in Genesis. Then substitute Jesus for Joseph and Joseph's brothers for the Jewish people, (really the Pharisees). Many students of prophecy believe that the Old Testament is the truth concealed and the New Testament is the Truth revealed. Both stories parallel each other very closely. Example, Joseph is sold into slavery by his jealous brothers for 30 pieces of silver. Joseph is falsely accused and thrown in prison but rises up to sit at the right hand of Pharaoh. Joseph's brothers realize and confess their sin against their father and brother. Joseph forgives them, seeing the greater divine plan, then brings his whole family into Egypt, saving them from famine and death, where they enjoy great prosperity. From: do.rflex do.rf...@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, May 14, 2010 3:52:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: This is the reason why this city could be the cause of Armageddon, the next world war. It is likely that the US would be on the side of Israel since there are still fundamentalist Christians who believe that this war will be between the forces of good and evil, thus leading to the Second Coming of Christ and the Rapture. What do these fundamentalist Christians say is going to happen to the Jews who don't accept Jesus as their Savior? Also, there is a fairly strong Jewish influence in the US which will lobby the politicians to support the Israeli cause. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: I expect squirming from the usual suspects http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_YPKnXi10M
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: If your question is serious, read the story of Joseph in Genesis. Then substitute Jesus for Joseph and Joseph's brothers for the Jewish people, (really the Pharisees). Many students of prophecy believe that the Old Testament is the truth concealed and the New Testament is the Truth revealed. Both stories parallel each other very closely. Example, Joseph is sold into slavery by his jealous brothers for 30 pieces of silver. Joseph is falsely accused and thrown in prison but rises up to sit at the right hand of Pharaoh. Joseph's brothers realize and confess their sin against their father and brother. Joseph forgives them, seeing the greater divine plan, then brings his whole family into Egypt, saving them from famine and death, where they enjoy great prosperity. Not the same at all, Mike. Try again. From: do.rflex do.rf...@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, May 14, 2010 3:52:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: This is the reason why this city could be the cause of Armageddon, the next world war. It is likely that the US would be on the side of Israel since there are still fundamentalist Christians who believe that this war will be between the forces of good and evil, thus leading to the Second Coming of Christ and the Rapture. What do these fundamentalist Christians say is going to happen to the Jews who don't accept Jesus as their Savior? Also, there is a fairly strong Jewish influence in the US which will lobby the politicians to support the Israeli cause. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: I expect squirming from the usual suspects http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_YPKnXi10M
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The fate of the Jews: Uri Avnery, is the leader of Gush Shalom, an Israeli peace group. He was discussing the theology of many Fundamentalist and other Evangelical Christians in a 2002-JUN essay, and wrote: According to its theological beliefs, the Jews must congregate in Palestine and establish a Jewish state on all its territory so as to make the Second Coming of Jesus Christ possible... the evangelists don't like to dwell openly on what comes next: before the coming [of the Messiah], the Jews must convert to Christianity. Those who don't will perish in a gigantic holocaust in the battle of Armageddon. This is basically an anti-Semitic teaching... 1 This teaching implies that Jews who remain true to God's covenants in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) will be all exterminated in a massive genocide that may be more numerous than the Nazi Holocaust. http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_isra.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_re...@... wrote: You might like this article by Dennis Prager on the Genesis prediction and Israel and why conservative christians believe in a strong Israel: http://tiny.cc/pxnx5 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: If your question is serious, read the story of Joseph in Genesis. Then substitute Jesus for Joseph and Joseph's brothers for the Jewish people, (really the Pharisees). Many students of prophecy believe that the Old Testament is the truth concealed and the New Testament is the Truth revealed. Both stories parallel each other very closely. Example, Joseph is sold into slavery by his jealous brothers for 30 pieces of silver. Joseph is falsely accused and thrown in prison but rises up to sit at the right hand of Pharaoh. Joseph's brothers realize and confess their sin against their father and brother. Joseph forgives them, seeing the greater divine plan, then brings his whole family into Egypt, saving them from famine and death, where they enjoy great prosperity. From: do.rflex do.rflex@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, May 14, 2010 3:52:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: This is the reason why this city could be the cause of Armageddon, the next world war. It is likely that the US would be on the side of Israel since there are still fundamentalist Christians who believe that this war will be between the forces of good and evil, thus leading to the Second Coming of Christ and the Rapture. What do these fundamentalist Christians say is going to happen to the Jews who don't accept Jesus as their Savior? Also, there is a fairly strong Jewish influence in the US which will lobby the politicians to support the Israeli cause. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: I expect squirming from the usual suspects http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_YPKnXi10M
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On May 15, 2010, at 10:11 AM, do.rflex wrote: The fate of the Jews: Uri Avnery, is the leader of Gush Shalom, an Israeli peace group. He was discussing the theology of many Fundamentalist and other Evangelical Christians in a 2002-JUN essay, and wrote: According to its theological beliefs, the Jews must congregate in Palestine and establish a Jewish state on all its territory so as to make the Second Coming of Jesus Christ possible... the evangelists don't like to dwell openly on what comes next: before the coming [of the Messiah], the Jews must convert to Christianity. Those who don't will perish in a gigantic holocaust in the battle of Armageddon. This is basically an anti-Semitic teaching... 1 Sayonara, everyone! :) This teaching implies that Jews who remain true to God's covenants in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) will be all exterminated in a massive genocide that may be more numerous than the Nazi Holocaust. http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_isra.htm You know, there may be one good way to determine if the idiots that say they believe in this stuff really do--do they generally have their boys circumcised? If so, if any of them do really, then they are on their way to becoming (gasp!) Jewish, and presumably no amount of conversion later could erase that tiny (not to get personal or anything) fact. Sal
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Of course you want to see Israel and the Jews thrive and prosper --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: The fate of the Jews: Uri Avnery, is the leader of Gush Shalom, an Israeli peace group. He was discussing the theology of many Fundamentalist and other Evangelical Christians in a 2002-JUN essay, and wrote: According to its theological beliefs, the Jews must congregate in Palestine and establish a Jewish state on all its territory so as to make the Second Coming of Jesus Christ possible... the evangelists don't like to dwell openly on what comes next: before the coming [of the Messiah], the Jews must convert to Christianity. Those who don't will perish in a gigantic holocaust in the battle of Armageddon. This is basically an anti-Semitic teaching... 1 This teaching implies that Jews who remain true to God's covenants in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) will be all exterminated in a massive genocide that may be more numerous than the Nazi Holocaust. http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_isra.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: You might like this article by Dennis Prager on the Genesis prediction and Israel and why conservative christians believe in a strong Israel: http://tiny.cc/pxnx5 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: If your question is serious, read the story of Joseph in Genesis. Then substitute Jesus for Joseph and Joseph's brothers for the Jewish people, (really the Pharisees). Many students of prophecy believe that the Old Testament is the truth concealed and the New Testament is the Truth revealed. Both stories parallel each other very closely. Example, Joseph is sold into slavery by his jealous brothers for 30 pieces of silver. Joseph is falsely accused and thrown in prison but rises up to sit at the right hand of Pharaoh. Joseph's brothers realize and confess their sin against their father and brother. Joseph forgives them, seeing the greater divine plan, then brings his whole family into Egypt, saving them from famine and death, where they enjoy great prosperity. From: do.rflex do.rflex@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, May 14, 2010 3:52:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: This is the reason why this city could be the cause of Armageddon, the next world war. It is likely that the US would be on the side of Israel since there are still fundamentalist Christians who believe that this war will be between the forces of good and evil, thus leading to the Second Coming of Christ and the Rapture. What do these fundamentalist Christians say is going to happen to the Jews who don't accept Jesus as their Savior? Also, there is a fairly strong Jewish influence in the US which will lobby the politicians to support the Israeli cause. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: I expect squirming from the usual suspects http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_YPKnXi10M
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_re...@... wrote: Of course you want to see Israel and the Jews thrive and prosper Sure, just as much as I want to see the Palestinians thrive and prosper. Fair, just and equal status for each under international law seems the right thing to me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: The fate of the Jews: Uri Avnery, is the leader of Gush Shalom, an Israeli peace group. He was discussing the theology of many Fundamentalist and other Evangelical Christians in a 2002-JUN essay, and wrote: According to its theological beliefs, the Jews must congregate in Palestine and establish a Jewish state on all its territory so as to make the Second Coming of Jesus Christ possible... the evangelists don't like to dwell openly on what comes next: before the coming [of the Messiah], the Jews must convert to Christianity. Those who don't will perish in a gigantic holocaust in the battle of Armageddon. This is basically an anti-Semitic teaching... 1 This teaching implies that Jews who remain true to God's covenants in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) will be all exterminated in a massive genocide that may be more numerous than the Nazi Holocaust. http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_isra.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: You might like this article by Dennis Prager on the Genesis prediction and Israel and why conservative christians believe in a strong Israel: http://tiny.cc/pxnx5 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: If your question is serious, read the story of Joseph in Genesis. Then substitute Jesus for Joseph and Joseph's brothers for the Jewish people, (really the Pharisees). Many students of prophecy believe that the Old Testament is the truth concealed and the New Testament is the Truth revealed. Both stories parallel each other very closely. Example, Joseph is sold into slavery by his jealous brothers for 30 pieces of silver. Joseph is falsely accused and thrown in prison but rises up to sit at the right hand of Pharaoh. Joseph's brothers realize and confess their sin against their father and brother. Joseph forgives them, seeing the greater divine plan, then brings his whole family into Egypt, saving them from famine and death, where they enjoy great prosperity. From: do.rflex do.rflex@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, May 14, 2010 3:52:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: This is the reason why this city could be the cause of Armageddon, the next world war. It is likely that the US would be on the side of Israel since there are still fundamentalist Christians who believe that this war will be between the forces of good and evil, thus leading to the Second Coming of Christ and the Rapture. What do these fundamentalist Christians say is going to happen to the Jews who don't accept Jesus as their Savior? Also, there is a fairly strong Jewish influence in the US which will lobby the politicians to support the Israeli cause. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: I expect squirming from the usual suspects http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_YPKnXi10M
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The entire conflict in the Middle East and elsewhere in the world can be summed up to the answer of this question: Who are the children of God? The Jew, Arab, and Christian (we can include all the other sects worldwide) believe that he or she has the one true religion. Therefore, each of them believe that he or she is the true child of God. As such, they fight and kill each other for the sake of their religion. Unfortuantely, they fail to see the grand scale of the universe or the cosmos, and even the infinite other universes that may exist. In short, they fail to understand the meaning of the Sermon on the Mount: Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the children of God. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: The fate of the Jews: Uri Avnery, is the leader of Gush Shalom, an Israeli peace group. He was discussing the theology of many Fundamentalist and other Evangelical Christians in a 2002-JUN essay, and wrote: According to its theological beliefs, the Jews must congregate in Palestine and establish a Jewish state on all its territory so as to make the Second Coming of Jesus Christ possible... the evangelists don't like to dwell openly on what comes next: before the coming [of the Messiah], the Jews must convert to Christianity. Those who don't will perish in a gigantic holocaust in the battle of Armageddon. This is basically an anti-Semitic teaching... 1 This teaching implies that Jews who remain true to God's covenants in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) will be all exterminated in a massive genocide that may be more numerous than the Nazi Holocaust. http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_isra.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: You might like this article by Dennis Prager on the Genesis prediction and Israel and why conservative christians believe in a strong Israel: http://tiny.cc/pxnx5 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: If your question is serious, read the story of Joseph in Genesis. Then substitute Jesus for Joseph and Joseph's brothers for the Jewish people, (really the Pharisees). Many students of prophecy believe that the Old Testament is the truth concealed and the New Testament is the Truth revealed. Both stories parallel each other very closely. Example, Joseph is sold into slavery by his jealous brothers for 30 pieces of silver. Joseph is falsely accused and thrown in prison but rises up to sit at the right hand of Pharaoh. Joseph's brothers realize and confess their sin against their father and brother. Joseph forgives them, seeing the greater divine plan, then brings his whole family into Egypt, saving them from famine and death, where they enjoy great prosperity. From: do.rflex do.rflex@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, May 14, 2010 3:52:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: This is the reason why this city could be the cause of Armageddon, the next world war. It is likely that the US would be on the side of Israel since there are still fundamentalist Christians who believe that this war will be between the forces of good and evil, thus leading to the Second Coming of Christ and the Rapture. What do these fundamentalist Christians say is going to happen to the Jews who don't accept Jesus as their Savior? Also, there is a fairly strong Jewish influence in the US which will lobby the politicians to support the Israeli cause. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: I expect squirming from the usual suspects http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_YPKnXi10M
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I don't doubt that is what Uri Avnery believes, as most Jews believe, because that is what most Christian theologians believed and have been teaching for two thousand years. It's called *replacement theology*,Christians believed they replace the Jews as the *chosen people*. However, times and thinking have changed dramatically in recent decades since the *fig tree* has begun to bud.Christians have been dropping replacement theology like a hot potato because it is not Biblical. Again, read, better yet, study the story of Joseph, it is all there in far greater detail than I could possibly go into here. Joseph, betrayed by his brothers, saves the day for all of them, just as Christ saves the day for all the Jews, not just Jewish believers, from total destruction.At that time, the Jews will accept him as their messiah, not knowing it is Jesus until he reveals the scars in his hands, feet and side, just as Joseph revealed his circumcision to prove he was his brother's brother.At that time, the *scales* that blinded the eyes of the Jewish people to the identity of Christ, as it did with Saul of Tarsus, will be removed and there will be a great healing/ awakening between Christ, the church and the Jewish people, as it was when Joseph revealed his true identity to his brothers. John , you're still thinking in old, out dated, theological teaching, regarding the Christian faith, as many still do. The Bible teaches that when the Messiah comes, Jews and Gentiles will be united together as one. The Gentiles will be grafted into the tree of Abraham through the church. Of course, until it all happens, it is a matter of faith. From: do.rflex do.rf...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, May 15, 2010 8:11:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever The fate of the Jews: Uri Avnery, is the leader of Gush Shalom, an Israeli peace group. He was discussing the theology of many Fundamentalist and other Evangelical Christians in a 2002-JUN essay, and wrote: According to its theological beliefs, the Jews must congregate in Palestine and establish a Jewish state on all its territory so as to make the Second Coming of Jesus Christ possible... the evangelists don't like to dwell openly on what comes next: before the coming [of the Messiah], the Jews must convert to Christianity. Those who don't will perish in a gigantic holocaust in the battle of Armageddon. This is basically an anti-Semitic teaching... 1 This teaching implies that Jews who remain true to God's covenants in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) will be all exterminated in a massive genocide that may be more numerous than the Nazi Holocaust. http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_isra.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_re...@... wrote: You might like this article by Dennis Prager on the Genesis prediction and Israel and why conservative christians believe in a strong Israel: http://tiny.cc/pxnx5 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: If your question is serious, read the story of Joseph in Genesis. Then substitute Jesus for Joseph and Joseph's brothers for the Jewish people, (really the Pharisees). Many students of prophecy believe that the Old Testament is the truth concealed and the New Testament is the Truth revealed. Both stories parallel each other very closely. Example, Joseph is sold into slavery by his jealous brothers for 30 pieces of silver. Joseph is falsely accused and thrown in prison but rises up to sit at the right hand of Pharaoh. Joseph's brothers realize and confess their sin against their father and brother. Joseph forgives them, seeing the greater divine plan, then brings his whole family into Egypt, saving them from famine and death, where they enjoy great prosperity. From: do.rflex do.rflex@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, May 14, 2010 3:52:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: This is the reason why this city could be the cause of Armageddon, the next world war. It is likely that the US would be on the side of Israel since there are still fundamentalist Christians who believe that this war will be between the forces of good and evil, thus leading to the Second Coming of Christ and the Rapture. What do these fundamentalist Christians say is going to happen to the Jews who don't accept Jesus as their Savior? Also, there is a fairly strong Jewish influence in the US which will lobby the politicians to support the Israeli cause. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: I expect squirming from the usual suspects http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_YPKnXi10M
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Of course you want to see Israel and the Jews thrive and prosper do.rflex Sure, just as much as I want to see the Palestinians thrive and prosper... No, John, we don't want to see the PLO and the Hamas 'thrive and prosper' - we want to see them prosecuted and brought to trial. The PLO and the Hamas are terrorist organizations. The PLO kidnapped and murdered eleven Israeli athletes at the 1972 Summer Olympics in Munich. We do not want them to thrive and prosper.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: I don't doubt that is what Uri Avnery believes, as most Jews believe, because that is what most Christian theologians believed and have been teaching for two thousand years. It's called *replacement theology*,Christians believed they replace the Jews as the *chosen people*. However, times and thinking have changed dramatically in recent decades since the *fig tree* has begun to bud.Christians have been dropping replacement theology like a hot potato because it is not Biblical. Again, read, better yet, study the story of Joseph, it is all there in far greater detail than I could possibly go into here. Joseph, betrayed by his brothers, saves the day for all of them, just as Christ saves the day for all the Jews, not just Jewish believers, from total destruction. Who's to say all of that is anything more than a thousands of years old fable written by someone from a primitive desert tribe you've interpreted to comform to your own present day personal Christianist views, Mike? At that time, the Jews will accept him as their messiah, not knowing it is Jesus until he reveals the scars in his hands, feet and side, Where does it say that in the Bible, Mike?  just as Joseph revealed his circumcision to prove he was his brother's brother.At that time, the *scales* that blinded the eyes of the Jewish people to the identity of Christ, as it did with Saul of Tarsus, will be removed and there will be a great healing/ awakening between Christ, the church and the Jewish people, as it was when Joseph revealed his true identity to his brothers. Where is this comparison of scales being removed from the eyes of the Jewish people to be found in the Bible, Mike? John , you're still thinking in old, out dated, theological teaching, regarding the Christian faith, as many still do. The Bible teaches that when the Messiah comes, Jews and Gentiles will be united together as one. Where in the Bible does it clearly and specifically indicate that, when the Messiah comes, Jews and Gentiles will be united together as one? Who's to say YOUR views are right and other Christian's views are wrong? And... What if the Jews don't buy your personal interpretation of the Bible? Do you think they don't or won't have free choice? What do the Christianists say is going to happen to the Jews - or anyone else - who doesn't accept Jesus as their Savior? The Gentiles will be grafted into the tree of Abraham through the church. Of course, until it all happens, it is a matter of faith. __ __ From: do.rflex do.rf...@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, May 15, 2010 8:11:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever  The fate of the Jews: Uri Avnery, is the leader of Gush Shalom, an Israeli peace group. He was discussing the theology of many Fundamentalist and other Evangelical Christians in a 2002-JUN essay, and wrote: According to its theological beliefs, the Jews must congregate in Palestine and establish a Jewish state on all its territory so as to make the Second Coming of Jesus Christ possible... the evangelists don't like to dwell openly on what comes next: before the coming [of the Messiah], the Jews must convert to Christianity. Those who don't will perish in a gigantic holocaust in the battle of Armageddon. This is basically an anti-Semitic teaching... 1 This teaching implies that Jews who remain true to God's covenants in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) will be all exterminated in a massive genocide that may be more numerous than the Nazi Holocaust. http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_isra.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: You might like this article by Dennis Prager on the Genesis prediction and Israel and why conservative christians believe in a strong Israel: http://tiny.cc/pxnx5 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: If your question is serious, read the story of Joseph in Genesis. Then substitute Jesus for Joseph and Joseph's brothers for the Jewish people, (really the Pharisees). Many students of prophecy believe that the Old Testament is the truth concealed and the New Testament is the Truth revealed. Both stories parallel each other very closely. Example, Joseph is sold into slavery by his jealous brothers for 30 pieces of silver. Joseph is falsely accused and thrown in prison but rises up to sit at the right hand of Pharaoh. Joseph's brothers realize and confess their sin against their father and brother. Joseph forgives them, seeing the greater divine plan, then brings his whole family into Egypt, saving them from famine and death, where they enjoy great prosperity. From: do.rflex
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What do these fundamentalist Christians say is going to happen to the Jews who don't accept Jesus as their Savior? Mike Dixon: If your question is serious, read the story of Joseph in Genesis... dorkx: Not the same at all, Mike. Try again. It's basicaly the same eschatolgy that your Guru Dev used to believe in, and preached on many occasians. It's yer basic Samkhya dualism with a dash of dialectics thrown in for good measure. The same theology that probably 95% of all religious believers ascribe to. You obviously believe in it too, based on what you've posted on Usenet. The only difference being that your Guru Dev thought things and events were an illusion and that Parabrahman was the only reality. For you, it's all real. Go figure.
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Mike Dixon: Joseph, betrayed by his brothers, saves the day for all of them, just as Christ saves the day for all the Jews, not just Jewish believers, from total destruction. do.rflex: What do the Christianists say is going to happen to the Jews - or anyone else - who doesn't accept Jesus as their Savior? Even Jerry Falwell has adopted the 'dual covenant theology', along with John Hagee and Rabbi Aryeh Scheinberg. This creed, which runs counter to mainstream evangelism, maintains that the Jewish people has a special relationship to God through the revelation at Sinai and therefore does not need to go through Christ or the Cross to get to heaven... Maybe you should keep your pie hole shut, John, about religious stuff you know nothing about. You're way down in Brazil, you're way out of the loop, you don't even know what's going on in U.S. churches. http://www.apologeticsindex.org/357-john-hagee-salvation
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As I said, all prophecy is a matter of faith until it happens. Your original question was *what happens to the Jews that don't accept Christ?* I explained, from a prophetic point of view, what is supposed to happen. The Bible is full of prophecies from Genesis to Revelation of the coming of Messiah. I'm not going to bother to look each statement up and give you book, chapter and verse, it would take too much of my time and would fall on deaf ears anyway( fable written by a primitive desert tribe). Most of what I've replied to you is found in Genesis, Revelation and the writings of Paul. I'll be the first to admit, I could be wrong in my understanding, but from what I've learned in recent years, it sure makes more since than the Replacement theology taught for so long, which would make God a liar in his own words. As for what anybody chooses to believe, that's their business, not mine. I simply answered your original question based on my understanding of prophecies. From: do.rflex do.rf...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, May 15, 2010 12:54:11 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: I don't doubt that is what Uri Avnery believes, as most Jews believe, because that is what most Christian theologians believed and have been teaching for two thousand years. It's called *replacement theology*,Christians believed they replace the Jews as the *chosen people*. However, times and thinking have changed dramatically in recent decades since the *fig tree* has begun to bud.Christians have been dropping replacement theology like a hot potato because it is not Biblical. Again, read, better yet, study the story of Joseph, it is all there in far greater detail than I could possibly go into here. Joseph, betrayed by his brothers, saves the day for all of them, just as Christ saves the day for all the Jews, not just Jewish believers, from total destruction. Who's to say all of that is anything more than a thousands of years old fable written by someone from a primitive desert tribe you've interpreted to comform to your own present day personal Christianist views, Mike? At that time, the Jews will accept him as their messiah, not knowing it is Jesus until he reveals the scars in his hands, feet and side, Where does it say that in the Bible, Mike?  just as Joseph revealed his circumcision to prove he was his brother's brother.At that time, the *scales* that blinded the eyes of the Jewish people to the identity of Christ, as it did with Saul of Tarsus, will be removed and there will be a great healing/ awakening between Christ, the church and the Jewish people, as it was when Joseph revealed his true identity to his brothers. Where is this comparison of scales being removed from the eyes of the Jewish people to be found in the Bible, Mike? John , you're still thinking in old, out dated, theological teaching, regarding the Christian faith, as many still do. The Bible teaches that when the Messiah comes, Jews and Gentiles will be united together as one. Where in the Bible does it clearly and specifically indicate that, when the Messiah comes, Jews and Gentiles will be united together as one? Who's to say YOUR views are right and other Christian's views are wrong? And... What if the Jews don't buy your personal interpretation of the Bible? Do you think they don't or won't have free choice? What do the Christianists say is going to happen to the Jews - or anyone else - who doesn't accept Jesus as their Savior? The Gentiles will be grafted into the tree of Abraham through the church. Of course, until it all happens, it is a matter of faith. __ __ From: do.rflex do.rf...@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, May 15, 2010 8:11:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever  The fate of the Jews: Uri Avnery, is the leader of Gush Shalom, an Israeli peace group. He was discussing the theology of many Fundamentalist and other Evangelical Christians in a 2002-JUN essay, and wrote: According to its theological beliefs, the Jews must congregate in Palestine and establish a Jewish state on all its territory so as to make the Second Coming of Jesus Christ possible... the evangelists don't like to dwell openly on what comes next: before the coming [of the Messiah], the Jews must convert to Christianity. Those who don't will perish in a gigantic holocaust in the battle of Armageddon. This is basically an anti-Semitic teaching... 1 This teaching implies that Jews who remain true to God's covenants in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) will be all exterminated in a massive genocide that may be more numerous than the Nazi Holocaust. http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_isra.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: As I said, all prophecy is a matter of faith until it happens. Your original question was *what happens to the Jews that don't accept Christ?* I explained, from a prophetic point of view, what is supposed to happen. The Bible is full of prophecies from Genesis to Revelation of the coming of Messiah. I'm not going to bother to look each statement up and give you book, chapter and verse, it would take too much of my time and would fall on deaf ears anyway( fable written by a primitive desert tribe). Most of what I've replied to you is found in Genesis, Revelation and the writings of Paul. I'll be the first to admit, I could be wrong in my understanding, but from what I've learned in recent years, it sure makes more since than the Replacement theology taught for so long, which would make God a liar in his own words. As for what anybody chooses to believe, that's their business, not mine. I simply answered your original question based on my understanding of prophecies. Thanks for sharing 'your' understanding. It's quite apparent that other Christians, particularly from the Christian Right, have their own very different understandings/interpretations. 'My' understanding from the Christian fundamentalists is generally that anyone who doesn't accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior, is headed for the not-so-fun-at-all 'Lake of Fire' described in the Book of Revelation. From: do.rflex do.rf...@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, May 15, 2010 12:54:11 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: I don't doubt that is what Uri Avnery believes, as most Jews believe,àbecause that is what most Christian theologians believed and have been teaching for two thousand years. It's called *replacement theology*,Christians believed theyàreplace the Jews as the *chosen people*. However, times and thinking have changed dramatically in recent decades since the *fig tree* has begun to bud.Christians have been dropping replacement theology like a hot potato because it is not Biblical. Again, read, better yet, studyàthe story of Joseph, it is all there in far greater detail than I could possibly go into here. Joseph, betrayed by his brothers, saves the day for all of them, just as Christ saves the day for all the Jews, not just Jewish believers, from total destruction. Who's to say all of that is anything more than a thousands of years old fable written by someone from a primitive desert tribe you've interpreted to comform to your own present day personal Christianist views, Mike? At that time, the Jews will accept him as their messiah, not knowing it is Jesus until he reveals the scars in his hands, feet and side, Where does it say that in the Bible, Mike? àjust as Joseph revealed his circumcision to prove he was his brother's brother.At that time, the *scales* that blinded the eyes of the Jewish people to the identity of Christ, as it did with Saul of Tarsus, will be removed and there will be a great healing/ awakeningàbetween Christ, the church and the Jewish people, as it was when Joseph revealed his true identity to his brothers. Where is this comparison of scales being removed from the eyes of the Jewish people to be found in the Bible, Mike? John , you're still thinking in old, out dated, theological teaching, regarding the Christian faith, as many still do. The Bible teaches that when the Messiah comes, Jews and Gentiles will be united together as one. Where in the Bible does it clearly and specifically indicate that, when the Messiah comes, Jews and Gentiles will be united together as one? Who's to say YOUR views are right and other Christian's views are wrong? And... What if the Jews don't buy your personal interpretation of the Bible? Do you think they don't or won't have free choice? What do the Christianists say is going to happen to the Jews - or anyone else - who doesn't accept Jesus as their Savior? The Gentiles will be grafted into the tree of Abraham through the church. Of course, until it all happens, it is a matter of faith. __ __ From: do.rflex do.rflex@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, May 15, 2010 8:11:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever àThe fate of the Jews: Uri Avnery, is the leader of Gush Shalom, an Israeli peace group. He was discussing the theology of many Fundamentalist and other Evangelical Christians in a 2002-JUN essay, and wrote: According to its theological beliefs, the Jews must congregate in Palestine and establish a Jewish state on all its territory so as to make the Second Coming of Jesus Christ
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That's my understanding as well. What I was saying earlier is the fate of Jews at the time of his return. When Messiah stops the total destruction of the Earth, he will be recognized by the Jews as Messiah and he will reveal to them that he is Jesus by showing them the scars in his hands, feet and side, just as Joseph revealed his true identity to his brothers by showing them that he was circumcised. None of this changes the concept of the *suffering servant* who takes away the sins of the world. If one's sins have not been removed, he can not enter the Kingdom of Heaven whether he is Jew or Gentile. OTOH if one doesn't believe in sin, what does it matter? BTW the Lake of Fire sentencing is supposed to be at the end of creation, the time of final judgment. None of this can be proved or disproved, it's all a matter of faith. What one can do, if interested, is learn the prophesies and watch to see if they come true. When the disciples came to Jesus and asked him when all these things will come to pass, he said *learn the parable of the fig tree. When it buds, know that that generation will not pass before all these things must come true.* The fig tree represents Israel, founded May 15th 1948, the generation of the baby boomers. Time will tell. From: do.rflex do.rf...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, May 15, 2010 3:13:21 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: As I said, all prophecy is a matter of faith until it happens. Your original question was *what happens to the Jews that don't accept Christ?* I explained, from a prophetic point of view, what is supposed to happen. The Bible is full of prophecies from Genesis to Revelation of the coming of Messiah. I'm not going to bother to look each statement up and give you book, chapter and verse, it would take too much of my time and would fall on deaf ears anyway( fable written by a primitive desert tribe). Most of what I've replied to you is found in Genesis, Revelation and the writings of Paul. I'll be the first to admit, I could be wrong in my understanding, but from what I've learned in recent years, it sure makes more since than the Replacement theology taught for so long, which would make God a liar in his own words. As for what anybody chooses to believe, that's their business, not mine. I simply answered your original question based on my understanding of prophecies. Thanks for sharing 'your' understanding. It's quite apparent that other Christians, particularly from the Christian Right, have their own very different understandings/interpretations. 'My' understanding from the Christian fundamentalists is generally that anyone who doesn't accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior, is headed for the not-so-fun-at-all 'Lake of Fire' described in the Book of Revelation. From: do.rflex do.rf...@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, May 15, 2010 12:54:11 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ wrote: I don't doubt that is what Uri Avnery believes, as most Jews believe, because that is what most Christian theologians believed and have been teaching for two thousand years. It's called *replacement theology*,Christians believed they replace the Jews as the *chosen people*. However, times and thinking have changed dramatically in recent decades since the *fig tree* has begun to bud.Christians have been dropping replacement theology like a hot potato because it is not Biblical. Again, read, better yet, study the story of Joseph, it is all there in far greater detail than I could possibly go into here. Joseph, betrayed by his brothers, saves the day for all of them, just as Christ saves the day for all the Jews, not just Jewish believers, from total destruction. Who's to say all of that is anything more than a thousands of years old fable written by someone from a primitive desert tribe you've interpreted to comform to your own present day personal Christianist views, Mike? At that time, the Jews will accept him as their messiah, not knowing it is Jesus until he reveals the scars in his hands, feet and side, Where does it say that in the Bible, Mike?  just as Joseph revealed his circumcision to prove he was his brother's brother.At that time, the *scales* that blinded the eyes of the Jewish people to the identity of Christ, as it did with Saul of Tarsus, will be removed and there will be a great healing/ awakening between Christ, the church and the Jewish people, as it was when Joseph revealed his true identity to his brothers. Where is this comparison of scales being removed from the eyes of the Jewish people to be found in the Bible, Mike
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Well, then the Spaniards get to reclaim Los Angeles, right? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_re...@... wrote: I expect squirming from the usual suspects http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_YPKnXi10M
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_re...@... wrote: I expect squirming from the usual suspects http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_YPKnXi10M http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhG0cCGEpxg http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%20editorials/2006%20Opinion%20Editorials/July/10%20o/Israeli%20Savagery%20in%20Gaza%20By%20George%20Karsa.htm http://notesonhypocrisy.com/node/10
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_re...@... wrote: I expect squirming from the usual suspects http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_YPKnXi10M Yes wonderful stuff. Religious elitism and entitlement at its best. Unapoligetic rights claimed to beat the shit out of anyone outside the clan. Imperialistic claims based on archaic myths -- or at best 3000 year old heretitary claims. Wonderful stuff. And i love israel, and it s entrepreneurial, semi-democratic, pioneer, spirit. I jsut abhor the militaristic, elitist, chauvanist, barbarian underbelly.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: I expect squirming from the usual suspects http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_YPKnXi10M Yes wonderful stuff. Religious elitism and entitlement at its best. Unapoligetic rights claimed to beat the shit out of anyone outside the clan. More honest in a way than Buck, who merely wants them banned, all under the guise of moralism. :-) Imperialistic claims based on archaic myths -- or at best 3000 year old heretitary claims. Again, better than moralistic claims.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: I expect squirming from the usual suspects http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_YPKnXi10M Yes wonderful stuff. Religious elitism and entitlement at its best. Unapoligetic rights claimed to beat the shit out of anyone outside the clan. Imperialistic claims based on archaic myths -- or at best 3000 year old heretitary claims. Wonderful stuff. And i love israel, and it s entrepreneurial, semi-democratic, pioneer, spirit. I jsut abhor the militaristic, elitist, chauvanist, barbarian underbelly. My ancestors build and lived in one of the oldest castles in Europe, stretcch back more than 1000 years. We toiled hard, built our homeland. And through absolutely no fault of our own, we are always the victims, we one by one we were force to leave the castle. But every Christmas, while praying to our saviour and (and only true) lord who blessed us and made us f'ing better than all others, we said next year back at the castle. So last week, when we took the castle by force. sorry about the 500,000 dead -- it was collateral damage, we came HOME. It felt F'ing good. A 1000 year pilgramige back to the land that was deemed eternally OURS by our one true god. So F you world. We got ours, and we will beat the holy shit out of anyone who even thinks that we are not totally righteous -- and huge victims, simply claiming what is eternally our f'ing stuff.
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This is the reason why this city could be the cause of Armageddon, the next world war. It is likely that the US would be on the side of Israel since there are still fundamentalist Christians who believe that this war will be between the forces of good and evil, thus leading to the Second Coming of Christ and the Rapture. Also, there is a fairly strong Jewish influence in the US which will lobby the politicians to support the Israeli cause. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_re...@... wrote: I expect squirming from the usual suspects http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_YPKnXi10M
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sounds about right --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: This is the reason why this city could be the cause of Armageddon, the next world war. It is likely that the US would be on the side of Israel since there are still fundamentalist Christians who believe that this war will be between the forces of good and evil, thus leading to the Second Coming of Christ and the Rapture. Also, there is a fairly strong Jewish influence in the US which will lobby the politicians to support the Israeli cause. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: I expect squirming from the usual suspects http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_YPKnXi10M
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That's it? LOL --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: I expect squirming from the usual suspects http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_YPKnXi10M Yes wonderful stuff. Religious elitism and entitlement at its best. Unapoligetic rights claimed to beat the shit out of anyone outside the clan. Imperialistic claims based on archaic myths -- or at best 3000 year old heretitary claims. Wonderful stuff. And i love israel, and it s entrepreneurial, semi-democratic, pioneer, spirit. I jsut abhor the militaristic, elitist, chauvanist, barbarian underbelly. My ancestors build and lived in one of the oldest castles in Europe, stretcch back more than 1000 years. We toiled hard, built our homeland. And through absolutely no fault of our own, we are always the victims, we one by one we were force to leave the castle. But every Christmas, while praying to our saviour and (and only true) lord who blessed us and made us f'ing better than all others, we said next year back at the castle. So last week, when we took the castle by force. sorry about the 500,000 dead -- it was collateral damage, we came HOME. It felt F'ing good. A 1000 year pilgramige back to the land that was deemed eternally OURS by our one true god. So F you world. We got ours, and we will beat the holy shit out of anyone who even thinks that we are not totally righteous -- and huge victims, simply claiming what is eternally our f'ing stuff.
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I jsut abhor the militaristic, elitist, chauvanist, barbarian underbelly. - You mean you abhor toughness, that's a personal issue I guess --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: I expect squirming from the usual suspects http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_YPKnXi10M Yes wonderful stuff. Religious elitism and entitlement at its best. Unapoligetic rights claimed to beat the shit out of anyone outside the clan. Imperialistic claims based on archaic myths -- or at best 3000 year old heretitary claims. Wonderful stuff. And i love israel, and it s entrepreneurial, semi-democratic, pioneer, spirit. I jsut abhor the militaristic, elitist, chauvanist, barbarian underbelly.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_re...@... wrote: That's it? LOL Zionist Troll, thwarted. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: I expect squirming from the usual suspects http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_YPKnXi10M Yes wonderful stuff. Religious elitism and entitlement at its best. Unapoligetic rights claimed to beat the shit out of anyone outside the clan. Imperialistic claims based on archaic myths -- or at best 3000 year old heretitary claims. Wonderful stuff. And i love israel, and it s entrepreneurial, semi-democratic, pioneer, spirit. I jsut abhor the militaristic, elitist, chauvanist, barbarian underbelly. My ancestors build and lived in one of the oldest castles in Europe, stretcch back more than 1000 years. We toiled hard, built our homeland. And through absolutely no fault of our own, we are always the victims, we one by one we were force to leave the castle. But every Christmas, while praying to our saviour and (and only true) lord who blessed us and made us f'ing better than all others, we said next year back at the castle. So last week, when we took the castle by force. sorry about the 500,000 dead -- it was collateral damage, we came HOME. It felt F'ing good. A 1000 year pilgramige back to the land that was deemed eternally OURS by our one true god. So F you world. We got ours, and we will beat the holy shit out of anyone who even thinks that we are not totally righteous -- and huge victims, simply claiming what is eternally our f'ing stuff.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: This is the reason why this city could be the cause of Armageddon, the next world war. It is likely that the US would be on the side of Israel since there are still fundamentalist Christians who believe that this war will be between the forces of good and evil, thus leading to the Second Coming of Christ and the Rapture. What do these fundamentalist Christians say is going to happen to the Jews who don't accept Jesus as their Savior? Also, there is a fairly strong Jewish influence in the US which will lobby the politicians to support the Israeli cause. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: I expect squirming from the usual suspects http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_YPKnXi10M
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If your question is serious, read the story of Joseph in Genesis. Then substitute Jesus for Joseph and Joseph's brothers for the Jewish people, (really the Pharisees). Many students of prophecy believe that the Old Testament is the truth concealed and the New Testament is the Truth revealed. Both stories parallel each other very closely. Example, Joseph is sold into slavery by his jealous brothers for 30 pieces of silver. Joseph is falsely accused and thrown in prison but rises up to sit at the right hand of Pharaoh. Joseph's brothers realize and confess their sin against their father and brother. Joseph forgives them, seeing the greater divine plan, then brings his whole family into Egypt, saving them from famine and death, where they enjoy great prosperity. From: do.rflex do.rf...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, May 14, 2010 3:52:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerusalem Forever --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: This is the reason why this city could be the cause of Armageddon, the next world war. It is likely that the US would be on the side of Israel since there are still fundamentalist Christians who believe that this war will be between the forces of good and evil, thus leading to the Second Coming of Christ and the Rapture. What do these fundamentalist Christians say is going to happen to the Jews who don't accept Jesus as their Savior? Also, there is a fairly strong Jewish influence in the US which will lobby the politicians to support the Israeli cause. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: I expect squirming from the usual suspects http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_YPKnXi10M
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_re...@... wrote: I jsut abhor the militaristic, elitist, chauvanist, barbarian underbelly. - You mean you abhor toughness, that's a personal issue I guess If you watched the videos I posted in response to yours, and you call that toughness -- as in being a good thing -- you have pretty much confirmed all of my points. Thanks -- you have made your position abundantly clear for all to see. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: I expect squirming from the usual suspects http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_YPKnXi10M Yes wonderful stuff. Religious elitism and entitlement at its best. Unapoligetic rights claimed to beat the shit out of anyone outside the clan. Imperialistic claims based on archaic myths -- or at best 3000 year old heretitary claims. Wonderful stuff. And i love israel, and it s entrepreneurial, semi-democratic, pioneer, spirit. I jsut abhor the militaristic, elitist, chauvanist, barbarian underbelly.
