[FairfieldLife] Re: Krishna like Christian evangelizing
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
> > >
> > > Sal, did you ever know Campbell in your past TM days?
> >
> > No he's way before my time. I did like his book "The 7 states"
> > though. I don't agree with much it now mind you, but it's as
> > clearly written an exposition of the pre-sidhi teachings of Marshy
> > as you'd want.
>
> Agree. (sigh)
>
> He's written a lot since then, including one book that
> has a section detailing his disillusionment with TM
> ("Totality Beliefs and the Religious Imagination").
>
> His Website:
>
> http://www.skepticviews.org.uk/essays/index.html
Cheers, lots to read there: evolution and consciousness, Fortean
phenomena and even Julian Jaynes!
That'll keep me busy for a few days.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Krishna like Christian evangelizing
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
>
> Thanks for posting this - its interesting that on his web page
> he lists all the books he has written EXCEPT for 7 States -
> speaks volumes in and of itself.
Actually what the omission says is: "This book is long out
of print." (Along with its sequel, whose title I forget.)
Notice the heading on his Web page: "My CURRENTLY PUBLISHED
Books."
Sheesh, Michael. It's not an academic bibliography or a
CV, it's a list of books he hopes folks will buy because
he'll make some money off them.
He's perfectly open about his stint with TM. As I told you,
his most recent book has a whole section on it.
> From: authfriend
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 4:47 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Krishna like Christian evangelizing
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sal, did you ever know Campbell in your past TM days?
> > >
> > > No he's way before my time. I did like his book "The 7 states"
> > > though. I don't agree with much it now mind you, but it's as
> > > clearly written an exposition of the pre-sidhi teachings of Marshy
> > > as you'd want.
> >
> > Agree. (sigh)
> >
> > He's written a lot since then, including one book that
> > has a section detailing his disillusionment with TM
> > ("Totality Beliefs and the Religious Imagination").
> >
> > His Website:
> >
> > http://www.skepticviews.org.uk/essays/index.html
>
> Sorry, that's a *page* on his Website. Here's the home
> page:
>
> http://www.acampbell.org.uk/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Krishna like Christian evangelizing
Thanks for posting this - its interesting that on his web page he lists all the
books he has written EXCEPT for 7 States - speaks volumes in and of itself.
From: authfriend
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 4:47 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Krishna like Christian evangelizing
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
> > >
> > > Sal, did you ever know Campbell in your past TM days?
> >
> > No he's way before my time. I did like his book "The 7 states"
> > though. I don't agree with much it now mind you, but it's as
> > clearly written an exposition of the pre-sidhi teachings of Marshy
> > as you'd want.
>
> Agree. (sigh)
>
> He's written a lot since then, including one book that
> has a section detailing his disillusionment with TM
> ("Totality Beliefs and the Religious Imagination").
>
> His Website:
>
> http://www.skepticviews.org.uk/essays/index.html
Sorry, that's a *page* on his Website. Here's the home
page:
http://www.acampbell.org.uk/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Krishna like Christian evangelizing
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
> > >
> > > Sal, did you ever know Campbell in your past TM days?
> >
> > No he's way before my time. I did like his book "The 7 states"
> > though. I don't agree with much it now mind you, but it's as
> > clearly written an exposition of the pre-sidhi teachings of Marshy
> > as you'd want.
>
> Agree. (sigh)
>
> He's written a lot since then, including one book that
> has a section detailing his disillusionment with TM
> ("Totality Beliefs and the Religious Imagination").
>
> His Website:
>
> http://www.skepticviews.org.uk/essays/index.html
Sorry, that's a *page* on his Website. Here's the home
page:
http://www.acampbell.org.uk/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Krishna like Christian evangelizing
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
> >
> > Sal, did you ever know Campbell in your past TM days?
>
> No he's way before my time. I did like his book "The 7 states"
> though. I don't agree with much it now mind you, but it's as
> clearly written an exposition of the pre-sidhi teachings of Marshy
> as you'd want.
Agree. (sigh)
He's written a lot since then, including one book that
has a section detailing his disillusionment with TM
("Totality Beliefs and the Religious Imagination").
His Website:
http://www.skepticviews.org.uk/essays/index.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Krishna like Christian evangelizing
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > Sal, did you ever know Campbell in your past TM days? No he's way before my time. I did like his book "The 7 states" though. I don't agree with much it now mind you, but it's as clearly written an exposition of the pre-sidhi teachings of Marshy as you'd want. > From: sparaig > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:35 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Krishna like Christian evangelizing > > > > Â > I asked Anthony Campbell, author of _The Seven Stages of Consciousness_, why > he became a Buddhist and no longer does TM. He replied because he had > meditated the requisite number of years (I assume 7) and TM didn't work as > advertised (he wasn't enlightened) so he moved on. > > I expect the same thing is at work here: > > MMY said that floating would happen "real soon now" and an awful lot of > people who learned the TM-Sidhis eventually decided "it ain't going to > happen" and moved on to practices that they felt were giving them more > profound and authentic experiences than "hopping like a frog." > > I assume that he did things the way he did because he believed that if enough > people learned the TM-Sidhis fast enough, the world's consciousness WOULD > change to support floating, and thus he would have fulfilled his own prophecy > by being excessively enthusiastic about how soon people would be floating (I > still believe that he believed in floating as a real aspect of the Yogic > Flying technique). > > Once the disillusionment set in, the people who promised grander things had a > ready-made audience for them since most TM-Sidhas are self-selected for > wanting powers and other "specialness," regardless of what hand-written > letters they signed to the contrary. > > And why shouldn't they become disillusioned? They were told they were > "special" in every way, simply by learning the TM-Sidhis practices and there > they were, decades later, and still no floating. > > MMY had attempted to con world consciousness itself into growing faster than > it could, and the people he used for that con moved on. > > Even within the Extended Maharishi Effect perspective, there's still hope. > THere's plenty of school administrators in Latin America what want a stress > management technique for their students, and while the ultra-cynical former > True Believers may believe that TM doesn't really work at all, there's plenty > of large-scale demonstrations that it does work wonders in very stress-laden > schools, and that is a more viable way of getting huge numbers of people to > learn and practice together, I think. > > and... if the kids in Mexico ever start floating, that would be a > game-changer all around. > > L > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > in Fairfield, It's like there has been a cultural protection or > > predisposition in meditators generally against these other more > > mood-making or faith-based kinds of groups encroaching very far. It's > > like the TM'ers are more scientific and immune from too much iron age > > belief structures. You know, Maharishi did study a degree in physics. > > Modern science and the scientific process was after all part of his > > spiritual revival. Very 21st Century. > > Dear Buck, I admire your enthusiasm, your mission, your seemingly > > inexhaustible zeal. But I don't believe you for one nanosecond. > > Fairfield was a typical midwest town back in the 60's and early 70's: a > > town square, local horse show at the ag grounds, 4H, local teens > > cruising the town square on Friday and Saturday nights round and round. > > Then came MIU and the townspeople, for the most part, accepted this new > > strange breed of student. They weren't like Parson's students with their > > fraternities and homecoming queens but these new immigrants were > > peaceful enough. Now, it is like someone turned on some sort of homing > > radar device that has put out the call to every breed of saint, healer, > > guru, channel known to mankind and they have descended, in droves, to > > Fairfield Iowa. Why would this be? Because "there has been a cultural > > protection or predisposition in meditators generally against these other > > more mood-making or faith-based kinds of groups encroaching very far.&
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Krishna like Christian evangelizing
Sal, did you ever know Campbell in your past TM days? From: sparaig To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:35 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Krishna like Christian evangelizing I asked Anthony Campbell, author of _The Seven Stages of Consciousness_, why he became a Buddhist and no longer does TM. He replied because he had meditated the requisite number of years (I assume 7) and TM didn't work as advertised (he wasn't enlightened) so he moved on. I expect the same thing is at work here: MMY said that floating would happen "real soon now" and an awful lot of people who learned the TM-Sidhis eventually decided "it ain't going to happen" and moved on to practices that they felt were giving them more profound and authentic experiences than "hopping like a frog." I assume that he did things the way he did because he believed that if enough people learned the TM-Sidhis fast enough, the world's consciousness WOULD change to support floating, and thus he would have fulfilled his own prophecy by being excessively enthusiastic about how soon people would be floating (I still believe that he believed in floating as a real aspect of the Yogic Flying technique). Once the disillusionment set in, the people who promised grander things had a ready-made audience for them since most TM-Sidhas are self-selected for wanting powers and other "specialness," regardless of what hand-written letters they signed to the contrary. And why shouldn't they become disillusioned? They were told they were "special" in every way, simply by learning the TM-Sidhis practices and there they were, decades later, and still no floating. MMY had attempted to con world consciousness itself into growing faster than it could, and the people he used for that con moved on. Even within the Extended Maharishi Effect perspective, there's still hope. THere's plenty of school administrators in Latin America what want a stress management technique for their students, and while the ultra-cynical former True Believers may believe that TM doesn't really work at all, there's plenty of large-scale demonstrations that it does work wonders in very stress-laden schools, and that is a more viable way of getting huge numbers of people to learn and practice together, I think. and... if the kids in Mexico ever start floating, that would be a game-changer all around. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > in Fairfield, It's like there has been a cultural protection or > predisposition in meditators generally against these other more > mood-making or faith-based kinds of groups encroaching very far. It's > like the TM'ers are more scientific and immune from too much iron age > belief structures. You know, Maharishi did study a degree in physics. > Modern science and the scientific process was after all part of his > spiritual revival. Very 21st Century. > Dear Buck, I admire your enthusiasm, your mission, your seemingly > inexhaustible zeal. But I don't believe you for one nanosecond. > Fairfield was a typical midwest town back in the 60's and early 70's: a > town square, local horse show at the ag grounds, 4H, local teens > cruising the town square on Friday and Saturday nights round and round. > Then came MIU and the townspeople, for the most part, accepted this new > strange breed of student. They weren't like Parson's students with their > fraternities and homecoming queens but these new immigrants were > peaceful enough. Now, it is like someone turned on some sort of homing > radar device that has put out the call to every breed of saint, healer, > guru, channel known to mankind and they have descended, in droves, to > Fairfield Iowa. Why would this be? Because "there has been a cultural > protection or predisposition in meditators generally against these other > more mood-making or faith-based kinds of groups encroaching very far."? > What the hell happened since I was there in 1983? All hell has broken > loose, that's what. > > -Buck in the Dome > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Kind of surprising that the Krishna's have not evangelized Fairfield > before now for as hard as they have worked the airports and > street-corners once upon a time. The Christians have always been hoping > to try. The Buddhists however are almost non-existent in Fairfield. > > > -Buck in the Dome > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Micha
[FairfieldLife] Re: Krishna like Christian evangelizing
I asked Anthony Campbell, author of _The Seven Stages of Consciousness_, why he became a Buddhist and no longer does TM. He replied because he had meditated the requisite number of years (I assume 7) and TM didn't work as advertised (he wasn't enlightened) so he moved on. I expect the same thing is at work here: MMY said that floating would happen "real soon now" and an awful lot of people who learned the TM-Sidhis eventually decided "it ain't going to happen" and moved on to practices that they felt were giving them more profound and authentic experiences than "hopping like a frog." I assume that he did things the way he did because he believed that if enough people learned the TM-Sidhis fast enough, the world's consciousness WOULD change to support floating, and thus he would have fulfilled his own prophecy by being excessively enthusiastic about how soon people would be floating (I still believe that he believed in floating as a real aspect of the Yogic Flying technique). Once the disillusionment set in, the people who promised grander things had a ready-made audience for them since most TM-Sidhas are self-selected for wanting powers and other "specialness," regardless of what hand-written letters they signed to the contrary. And why shouldn't they become disillusioned? They were told they were "special" in every way, simply by learning the TM-Sidhis practices and there they were, decades later, and still no floating. MMY had attempted to con world consciousness itself into growing faster than it could, and the people he used for that con moved on. Even within the Extended Maharishi Effect perspective, there's still hope. THere's plenty of school administrators in Latin America what want a stress management technique for their students, and while the ultra-cynical former True Believers may believe that TM doesn't really work at all, there's plenty of large-scale demonstrations that it does work wonders in very stress-laden schools, and that is a more viable way of getting huge numbers of people to learn and practice together, I think. and... if the kids in Mexico ever start floating, that would be a game-changer all around. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > in Fairfield, It's like there has been a cultural protection or > predisposition in meditators generally against these other more > mood-making or faith-based kinds of groups encroaching very far. It's > like the TM'ers are more scientific and immune from too much iron age > belief structures. You know, Maharishi did study a degree in physics. > Modern science and the scientific process was after all part of his > spiritual revival. Very 21st Century. > Dear Buck, I admire your enthusiasm, your mission, your seemingly > inexhaustible zeal. But I don't believe you for one nanosecond. > Fairfield was a typical midwest town back in the 60's and early 70's: a > town square, local horse show at the ag grounds, 4H, local teens > cruising the town square on Friday and Saturday nights round and round. > Then came MIU and the townspeople, for the most part, accepted this new > strange breed of student. They weren't like Parson's students with their > fraternities and homecoming queens but these new immigrants were > peaceful enough. Now, it is like someone turned on some sort of homing > radar device that has put out the call to every breed of saint, healer, > guru, channel known to mankind and they have descended, in droves, to > Fairfield Iowa. Why would this be? Because "there has been a cultural > protection or predisposition in meditators generally against these other > more mood-making or faith-based kinds of groups encroaching very far."? > What the hell happened since I was there in 1983? All hell has broken > loose, that's what. > > -Buck in the Dome > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Kind of surprising that the Krishna's have not evangelized Fairfield > before now for as hard as they have worked the airports and > street-corners once upon a time. The Christians have always been hoping > to try. The Buddhists however are almost non-existent in Fairfield. > > > -Buck in the Dome > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Wait, won't you git in trouble with the Golden Dome Police if > you go to a hare krishna deal? > > > > > > > > > > I can understand why the TMO would object to Dome-goers > attending Hare Krishna stuff, they don't want the TMO's life abnegating > hindoo dogma to be replaced by the hary krshna's brand of life > abnegating hindoo dogma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do the Hari's also practice a silent meditation? > > > > > > > > It is an interesting thing that for as big a movement as they are > out in the world that it took so long for them to show up in Fairfield. > Hari Om. > > > > > > > > -Buck > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Krishna like Christian evangelizing
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > in Fairfield, It's like there has been a cultural protection or predisposition in meditators generally against these other more mood-making or faith-based kinds of groups encroaching very far. It's like the TM'ers are more scientific and immune from too much iron age belief structures. You know, Maharishi did study a degree in physics. Modern science and the scientific process was after all part of his spiritual revival. Very 21st Century. Dear Buck, I admire your enthusiasm, your mission, your seemingly inexhaustible zeal. But I don't believe you for one nanosecond. Fairfield was a typical midwest town back in the 60's and early 70's: a town square, local horse show at the ag grounds, 4H, local teens cruising the town square on Friday and Saturday nights round and round. Then came MIU and the townspeople, for the most part, accepted this new strange breed of student. They weren't like Parson's students with their fraternities and homecoming queens but these new immigrants were peaceful enough. Now, it is like someone turned on some sort of homing radar device that has put out the call to every breed of saint, healer, guru, channel known to mankind and they have descended, in droves, to Fairfield Iowa. Why would this be? Because "there has been a cultural protection or predisposition in meditators generally against these other more mood-making or faith-based kinds of groups encroaching very far."? What the hell happened since I was there in 1983? All hell has broken loose, that's what. > -Buck in the Dome > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > Kind of surprising that the Krishna's have not evangelized Fairfield before now for as hard as they have worked the airports and street-corners once upon a time. The Christians have always been hoping to try. The Buddhists however are almost non-existent in Fairfield. > > -Buck in the Dome > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > > > > > Wait, won't you git in trouble with the Golden Dome Police if you go to a hare krishna deal? > > > > > > > > I can understand why the TMO would object to Dome-goers attending Hare Krishna stuff, they don't want the TMO's life abnegating hindoo dogma to be replaced by the hary krshna's brand of life abnegating hindoo dogma. > > > > > > > > > > Do the Hari's also practice a silent meditation? > > > > > > It is an interesting thing that for as big a movement as they are out in the world that it took so long for them to show up in Fairfield. Hari Om. > > > > > > -Buck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Buck > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 10:25 AM > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Feast and Flight, Saturday, May 11th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > Dear Om Tat Sat; > > > > It is a remarkable thing about this little town of Fairfield, Iowa that there is so much spirituality going on all the time. 'So much to do, so little time'. And so many choices at any moment. I would love to attend your kirtan and meal. Except that I have an obligation to attend the May Fair today at the same time. I may drop by your satsang afterwards for left-overs. This is so Fairfield. > > > > Welcome to the spiritual marketplace which is Fairfield. > > > > It's a joy, > > > > -Buck in the Dome > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Martin A Rosenthal wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends: > > > > > > > > > > Please honor us with your presence at > > > > > today's kirtan, lecture, and feast at 105 S 3rd Street in > > > > > Fairfield, Iowa, beginning at noon today, Saturday, May 11th. If you can not come in body, then come in mind in spirit in your > > > > > heart, simply by reading the adventure below. > > > > > > > > > > I have promised to deliver a lecture of > > > > > flying in the Vaishnava (those who believe in Vishnu as supreme) > > > > > tradition. Here is one such example among many. The lecture will > > > > > begin at 12:30, after Hare Krishna kirtan, which will begin at 12 pm. At 1:00 we shall all enjoy a six course feast of food prepared for > > > > > the pleasure of Krishna and offered to Him with loving devotion. > > > > > Once Krishna has enjoyed our offerings by His merciful glance, it is > > > > > transformed into Bhagavat Prasadam, which bestows love of Krishna > > > > > upon all who experience it. Even those who hear with faith about > > > > > such a feast are elevated in Krishna Bhakti Yoga, or pure love for > > > > > God, Who is know in countless traditions by countless names. > > > > > > > > > > Recently, Krishna's Kindom of Dvaraka, > > > > > has been discovered, off the west coast of India. > > > > > (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KkDMBhrAD4 ) > > > > > > > > > > Once, in truth, in Dvarak, Krishnas > > > > > city which recently has been discovered off beneath t
