[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vasanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The only difference between enlightened action and
> > unenlightened
> > > > > action is that the enlightened one acting knows what he/she
> is
> > > > > doing; can feel the gunas in transition along every moment
> of
> > > > > action, becuase the intention for action evaporates as the
> > > action is
> > > > > carried out.
> > > >
> > > > FWIW, not according to the Gita in MMY's translation
> > > > and commentary--at least, the enlightened one doesn't
> > > > know *why* s/he is doing whatever s/he is doing from
> > > > Nature's perspective ("Unfathomable is the course of
> > > > action").
> > > >
> > > > As I understand it, the enlightened one may think
> > > > the reason for the action is entirely different from
> > > > what Nature actually has in mind. Or rather, the
> > > > enlightened one's reason for doing the action is what
> > > > Nature "wants" him/her to think the reason is. Are
> > > > not thoughts also just the gunas acting on the gunas,
> > > > governed by Nature along with everything else?
> > >
> > > I can see what I said being open to your interpretation. What I
> > > meant was more of a literal point to point awareness of
> activity,
> > > rather than truly "understanding" the all reaching effects of
> the
> > > action.
> > >
> > > Unfathomable *is* the course of action, or put another way, any
> > > activity can hardly be separated from any other activity.
> > Everything
> > > is so interlinked, right? So what I meant was just that the
> > > enlightened person has clarity around the action. ...sure took
> me a
> > > lot of words to say that...
> > >
> > > > Or are thoughts said to have some special status in
> > > > this regard?
> > > >
> > > > (On the other hand, it's also said that enlightened
> > > > people don't *have* to think very much about what
> > > > they do.)
> > > >
> > > Yes, exactly the point I was trying to make. The enlightened
> person
> > > sees what they are doing in all of its utter simplicity.
> > >
> >
> > A bunch of neurons firing?
> >
> Can you answer your own question?
>
Twas a rhetorical question.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vasanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "demaris4" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > The only difference between enlightened action and > > unenlightened > > > > > action is that the enlightened one acting knows what he/she > is > > > > > doing; can feel the gunas in transition along every moment > of > > > > > action, becuase the intention for action evaporates as the > > > action is > > > > > carried out. > > BUT, but but: that's not the only difference, surely. Aren't your statements here about > natural law, and the doctorine of acting in accord with natural law really major QUESTIONS > about the difficulty of common sense and logic in understanding and explaining our > tendancy as humans to not act in accord with natural law -- maybe you are being too literal > in believing that these are laws that can't be broken. > What I mean is that a person who is enlightened or unencumbered by stories about what they are doing sees things as they really are; acts simply, whereas someone who is ignorant about their true nature, doesn't. If I understand you correctly, you seem to be asking, why do we act ignorantly? A lack of Self knowledge. That is why constantly, unceasingly challenging our boundaries is vital in order to achieve liberation. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vasanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > The only difference between enlightened action and > unenlightened > > > > action is that the enlightened one acting knows what he/she is > > > > doing; can feel the gunas in transition along every moment of > > > > action, becuase the intention for action evaporates as the > > action is > > > > carried out. BUT, but but: that's not the only difference, surely. Aren't your statements here about natural law, and the doctorine of acting in accord with natural law really major QUESTIONS about the difficulty of common sense and logic in understanding and explaining our tendancy as humans to not act in accord with natural law -- maybe you are being too literal in believing that these are laws that can't be broken. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vasanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > The only difference between enlightened action and
> unenlightened
> > > > action is that the enlightened one acting knows what he/she
is
> > > > doing; can feel the gunas in transition along every moment
of
> > > > action, becuase the intention for action evaporates as the
> > action is
> > > > carried out.
> > >
> > > FWIW, not according to the Gita in MMY's translation
> > > and commentary--at least, the enlightened one doesn't
> > > know *why* s/he is doing whatever s/he is doing from
> > > Nature's perspective ("Unfathomable is the course of
> > > action").
> > >
> > > As I understand it, the enlightened one may think
> > > the reason for the action is entirely different from
> > > what Nature actually has in mind. Or rather, the
> > > enlightened one's reason for doing the action is what
> > > Nature "wants" him/her to think the reason is. Are
> > > not thoughts also just the gunas acting on the gunas,
> > > governed by Nature along with everything else?
> >
> > I can see what I said being open to your interpretation. What I
> > meant was more of a literal point to point awareness of
activity,
> > rather than truly "understanding" the all reaching effects of
the
> > action.
> >
> > Unfathomable *is* the course of action, or put another way, any
> > activity can hardly be separated from any other activity.
> Everything
> > is so interlinked, right? So what I meant was just that the
> > enlightened person has clarity around the action. ...sure took
me a
> > lot of words to say that...
> >
> > > Or are thoughts said to have some special status in
> > > this regard?
> > >
> > > (On the other hand, it's also said that enlightened
> > > people don't *have* to think very much about what
> > > they do.)
> > >
> > Yes, exactly the point I was trying to make. The enlightened
person
> > sees what they are doing in all of its utter simplicity.
> >
>
> A bunch of neurons firing?
>
Can you answer your own question?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vasanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The only difference between enlightened action and
unenlightened
> > > action is that the enlightened one acting knows what he/she is
> > > doing; can feel the gunas in transition along every moment of
> > > action, becuase the intention for action evaporates as the
> action is
> > > carried out.
> >
> > FWIW, not according to the Gita in MMY's translation
> > and commentary--at least, the enlightened one doesn't
> > know *why* s/he is doing whatever s/he is doing from
> > Nature's perspective ("Unfathomable is the course of
> > action").
> >
> > As I understand it, the enlightened one may think
> > the reason for the action is entirely different from
> > what Nature actually has in mind. Or rather, the
> > enlightened one's reason for doing the action is what
> > Nature "wants" him/her to think the reason is. Are
> > not thoughts also just the gunas acting on the gunas,
> > governed by Nature along with everything else?
>
> I can see what I said being open to your interpretation. What I
> meant was more of a literal point to point awareness of activity,
> rather than truly "understanding" the all reaching effects of the
> action.
>
> Unfathomable *is* the course of action, or put another way, any
> activity can hardly be separated from any other activity.
Everything
> is so interlinked, right? So what I meant was just that the
> enlightened person has clarity around the action. ...sure took me a
> lot of words to say that...
>
> > Or are thoughts said to have some special status in
> > this regard?
> >
> > (On the other hand, it's also said that enlightened
> > people don't *have* to think very much about what
> > they do.)
> >
> Yes, exactly the point I was trying to make. The enlightened person
> sees what they are doing in all of its utter simplicity.
>
A bunch of neurons firing?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vasanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > The only difference between enlightened action and unenlightened
> > action is that the enlightened one acting knows what he/she is
> > doing; can feel the gunas in transition along every moment of
> > action, becuase the intention for action evaporates as the
action is
> > carried out.
>
> FWIW, not according to the Gita in MMY's translation
> and commentary--at least, the enlightened one doesn't
> know *why* s/he is doing whatever s/he is doing from
> Nature's perspective ("Unfathomable is the course of
> action").
>
> As I understand it, the enlightened one may think
> the reason for the action is entirely different from
> what Nature actually has in mind. Or rather, the
> enlightened one's reason for doing the action is what
> Nature "wants" him/her to think the reason is. Are
> not thoughts also just the gunas acting on the gunas,
> governed by Nature along with everything else?
I can see what I said being open to your interpretation. What I
meant was more of a literal point to point awareness of activity,
rather than truly "understanding" the all reaching effects of the
action.
Unfathomable *is* the course of action, or put another way, any
activity can hardly be separated from any other activity. Everything
is so interlinked, right? So what I meant was just that the
enlightened person has clarity around the action. ...sure took me a
lot of words to say that...
> Or are thoughts said to have some special status in
> this regard?
>
> (On the other hand, it's also said that enlightened
> people don't *have* to think very much about what
> they do.)
>
Yes, exactly the point I was trying to make. The enlightened person
sees what they are doing in all of its utter simplicity.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vasanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> The only difference between enlightened action and unenlightened
> action is that the enlightened one acting knows what he/she is
> doing; can feel the gunas in transition along every moment of
> action, becuase the intention for action evaporates as the action is
> carried out.
FWIW, not according to the Gita in MMY's translation
and commentary--at least, the enlightened one doesn't
know *why* s/he is doing whatever s/he is doing from
Nature's perspective ("Unfathomable is the course of
action").
As I understand it, the enlightened one may think
the reason for the action is entirely different from
what Nature actually has in mind. Or rather, the
enlightened one's reason for doing the action is what
Nature "wants" him/her to think the reason is. Are
not thoughts also just the gunas acting on the gunas,
governed by Nature along with everything else?
Or are thoughts said to have some special status in
this regard?
(On the other hand, it's also said that enlightened
people don't *have* to think very much about what
they do.)
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[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vasanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- authfriend wrote: > > > > > > --- Patrick wrote: > > > > > > > > More recently acquired positivist thinking > > > > refuses to even entertain the premise. > > > > > > Say more... > > > > About the positivist thinking? It's just a scholarly-sounding > > excuse for not speculating about things beyond my ken, > > which most everything seems to be. > > > > > (My guess is that "desire" and "intention" are human > > > terms that don't apply in this case, but that there > > > is some aspect to Nature's activity that sorta > > > somehow corresponds in Naturely terms.) > > > > The milk wants to sour. The silence wants to manifest. > > Are we anthropomorphizing nature, or did nature create > > humans in its own image? > > I just said, they're human terms that don't apply. > At least not in any even remotely literal sense. > Who knows what "creative intelligence" is? But it > progresses in some sort of orderly manner, or at > least orderly from the cosmic perspective, although > it may seem awfully messy to us. > > Or not. I doubt it particularly matters which > view you hold as long as you have no way of > knowing, so you might as well pick the one that > feels congenial. If randomness floats your boat, > go for it. > > It's probably unwise, however, to abdicate one's > judgment in favor of that of the enlightened person > on the theory that he or she "speaks for Nature" > if you've decided to believe Nature is driven by some > kind of impulse in an ultimately positive direction, > because if Nature *does* have a direciton, you don't > have any way of knowing which way is "positive"--so > it could just as well be that Nature "wanted" the > enlightened person to make a mistake, and even, > perhaps, "wanted" you to reject what the enlightened > person said and make your own choices. > > (The one exception, it seems to me, is if you've > entered into a formal "surrender" relationship with > an enlightened master as your sadhana, in which case > the act of surrender itself would be the "engine" of > your development; *what* you're told to do is > basically irrelevant.) > Yep- that whole bit about "acting in accordance with Natural Law" is entirely silly, because it is impossible to come up with an action which is NOT in accordance with Natural Law. Sure, some evil sin may be committed, but its not like the person committing it gets away with anything. Dharma exists as an absolute, regardless of whether we choose to recognize it. The only difference between enlightened action and unenlightened action is that the enlightened one acting knows what he/she is doing; can feel the gunas in transition along every moment of action, becuase the intention for action evaporates as the action is carried out. But the same Natural Laws always apply. Always. Otherwise they wouldn't be natural. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vasanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- authfriend wrote: > > > > --- Patrick wrote: > > > > > > More recently acquired positivist thinking > > > refuses to even entertain the premise. > > > > Say more... > > About the positivist thinking? It's just a scholarly-sounding > excuse for not speculating about things beyond my ken, > which most everything seems to be. > > > (My guess is that "desire" and "intention" are human > > terms that don't apply in this case, but that there > > is some aspect to Nature's activity that sorta > > somehow corresponds in Naturely terms.) > > The milk wants to sour. The silence wants to manifest. > Are we anthropomorphizing nature, or did nature create > humans in its own image? I just said, they're human terms that don't apply. At least not in any even remotely literal sense. Who knows what "creative intelligence" is? But it progresses in some sort of orderly manner, or at least orderly from the cosmic perspective, although it may seem awfully messy to us. Or not. I doubt it particularly matters which view you hold as long as you have no way of knowing, so you might as well pick the one that feels congenial. If randomness floats your boat, go for it. It's probably unwise, however, to abdicate one's judgment in favor of that of the enlightened person on the theory that he or she "speaks for Nature" if you've decided to believe Nature is driven by some kind of impulse in an ultimately positive direction, because if Nature *does* have a direciton, you don't have any way of knowing which way is "positive"--so it could just as well be that Nature "wanted" the enlightened person to make a mistake, and even, perhaps, "wanted" you to reject what the enlightened person said and make your own choices. (The one exception, it seems to me, is if you've entered into a formal "surrender" relationship with an enlightened master as your sadhana, in which case the act of surrender itself would be the "engine" of your development; *what* you're told to do is basically irrelevant.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vasanas
--- authfriend wrote: > > --- Patrick wrote: > > > > More recently acquired positivist thinking > > refuses to even entertain the premise. > > Say more... About the positivist thinking? It's just a scholarly-sounding excuse for not speculating about things beyond my ken, which most everything seems to be. > (My guess is that "desire" and "intention" are human > terms that don't apply in this case, but that there > is some aspect to Nature's activity that sorta > somehow corresponds in Naturely terms.) The milk wants to sour. The silence wants to manifest. Are we anthropomorphizing nature, or did nature create humans in its own image? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vasanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > The one about what MMY said to German Purusha about Hitler? Or said > about > > Hitler on some radio show? An Israeli friend of mine who used to be > on > > Purusha wrote me a detailed email about these things about a year > ago but I > > don¹t seem to have saved it and neither did he. I remember him > saying that > > some German Purushas used to wear swastikas under their ties, > celebrate > > Hitler¹s birthday, etc., and during my Minister Training course, > some of > > them would shout ³Heil Hitler² and ³Ve are zee Master Race² during > flying. The favorite word to shout for the germans during flying though was "Endlosung, jetzt!" Final solution, now ! If they ment finally to get enlightened, or was unknotting the stress from the war, I do not know. But the Jews on Purusha was unstressing for sure :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vasanas
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vasanas on 1/10/06 8:40 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What did he say to purusha about Hitler? The radio show? Perhaps M's emphasis on Vedic --i,e. "Aryan" culture, philosophy, etc has a resonance with certain pro-Aryan factions? Bizarre. I’m not informed enough to comment in any detail. I just heard that in both instances, his comments were positive enough as to be considered very politically incorrect by most people’s standards. Of course, these days Maharishi evokes Hitler’s name in a derogatory sense, comparing Bush to Hitler. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vasanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- authfriend wrote: > > > > --- Gillam wrote: > > > > > > Notice the CC tenet in that phrase -- the enlightened > > > person does everything in a life-supporting way. > > > > Does Nature ever want someone to make a mistake (in the > > relative sense) because the mistake will actually turn > > out to have life-supporting effects? > > This whole area is a huge bog, if you ask me. You can say that again... I don't know > and cannot venture any suppositions. My TM understandings > support the notion of Nature with a capital N having a desire, > an intention. More recently acquired positivist thinking > refuses to even entertain the premise. Say more... (My guess is that "desire" and "intention" are human terms that don't apply in this case, but that there is some aspect to Nature's activity that sorta somehow corresponds in Naturely terms.) > Yet the question remains. Perhaps succor lies in art. Isaac > Bashevis Singer had a story, "Errors," in the New Yorker > magazine some 30 years ago. In it, three wise men sat on > a porch and told stories of ostensible mistakes that had > good consequences. (I've posted this before, in case you're > thinking, "He's repeating himself.") I can still remember > the story's closing lines: > > "How can there be errors when all things spring from > divine sources? There are no such things as errors. There > are spheres where errors are transformed into truth." It goes back to the old saw about everything being perfect just as it is. "Then why are we working so hard to change things?" MMY was once asked. "That too is perfect just as it is," he responded. It's another manifestation of reality being different in different states of consciousness, I suspect. In any case, what I take from this is that it makes no sense to assume that everything an enlightened person does and says is "right" in relative terms. It may be "dictated" by Nature, but for Nature, the shortest way home may be around Robin Hood's barn. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vasanas
On Jan 10, 2006, at 1:10 AM, Rick Archer wrote:on 1/9/06 9:05 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On Jan 9, 2006, at 7:14 PM, Rick Archer wrote:on 1/9/06 5:07 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On Jan 9, 2006, at 5:30 PM, authfriend wrote: I was hoping Rick would get back to us on it, because frankly it was one of the most bizarre thing I had ever heard. What was I supposed to get back to you on? I’m missing a lot of posts and just happened to catch this one. You were going to get back to the list on the M/Hitler story.The one about what MMY said to German Purusha about Hitler? Or said about Hitler on some radio show? An Israeli friend of mine who used to be on Purusha wrote me a detailed email about these things about a year ago but I don’t seem to have saved it and neither did he. I remember him saying that some German Purushas used to wear swastikas under their ties, celebrate Hitler’s birthday, etc., and during my Minister Training course, some of them would shout “Heil Hitler” and “Ve are zee Master Race” during flying. I also remember hearing that MMY spoke far more positively about Hitler than is politically correct on some Scandinavian radio show. I’m afraid I don’t remember much more. What did he say to purusha about Hitler? The radio show?Perhaps M's emphasis on Vedic --i,e. "Aryan" culture, philosophy, etc has a resonance with certain pro-Aryan factions? Bizarre. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vasanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The one about what MMY said to German Purusha about Hitler? Or said about > Hitler on some radio show? An Israeli friend of mine who used to be on > Purusha wrote me a detailed email about these things about a year ago but I > don¹t seem to have saved it and neither did he. I remember him saying that > some German Purushas used to wear swastikas under their ties, celebrate > Hitler¹s birthday, etc., and during my Minister Training course, some of > them would shout ³Heil Hitler² and ³Ve are zee Master Race² during flying. I > also remember hearing that MMY spoke far more positively about Hitler than > is politically correct on some Scandinavian radio show. I¹m afraid I don¹t > remember much more. I heard a story that M was asked: If you had met Hitler in the thirties, and you had had a gun in your pocket, would you have shot him? He replied: God Lord, No. I would have taught him to meditate. He would have made an exceptional centre chairman. Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vasanas
--- authfriend wrote: > > --- Gillam wrote: > > > > Notice the CC tenet in that phrase -- the enlightened > > person does everything in a life-supporting way. > > Does Nature ever want someone to make a mistake (in the > relative sense) because the mistake will actually turn > out to have life-supporting effects? This whole area is a huge bog, if you ask me. I don't know and cannot venture any suppositions. My TM understandings support the notion of Nature with a capital N having a desire, an intention. More recently acquired positivist thinking refuses to even entertain the premise. Yet the question remains. Perhaps succor lies in art. Isaac Bashevis Singer had a story, "Errors," in the New Yorker magazine some 30 years ago. In it, three wise men sat on a porch and told stories of ostensible mistakes that had good consequences. (I've posted this before, in case you're thinking, "He's repeating himself.") I can still remember the story's closing lines: "How can there be errors when all things spring from divine sources? There are no such things as errors. There are spheres where errors are transformed into truth." Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vasanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jan 9, 2006, at 10:28 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > >> > >>> on 1/9/06 5:06 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > So MMY is God, in the eyes of many/most of his followers? Did you > > ever > feel that way? Did youknow anyone who did? > >> > >> I believe a more common phrasing is that Maharishi > >> speaks for nature, or if you're really hard core, for Nature. > >> I heard a neighbor say as much a few months ago, for example. > >> Notice the CC tenet in that phrase -- the enlightened > >> person does everything in a life-supporting way. > >> > > > > My own take is that one's state of consciousness dictates how broad- > > based the support of Nature is. Someone in CC may be very superficial > > in their behavior compared to someone in a higher state. > > So what kind of support of nature do you think M. is getting? > Quite frankly, not a clue. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vasanas
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vasanas on 1/9/06 9:05 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 9, 2006, at 7:14 PM, Rick Archer wrote: on 1/9/06 5:07 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 9, 2006, at 5:30 PM, authfriend wrote: I was hoping Rick would get back to us on it, because frankly it was one of the most bizarre thing I had ever heard. What was I supposed to get back to you on? I’m missing a lot of posts and just happened to catch this one. You were going to get back to the list on the M/Hitler story. The one about what MMY said to German Purusha about Hitler? Or said about Hitler on some radio show? An Israeli friend of mine who used to be on Purusha wrote me a detailed email about these things about a year ago but I don’t seem to have saved it and neither did he. I remember him saying that some German Purushas used to wear swastikas under their ties, celebrate Hitler’s birthday, etc., and during my Minister Training course, some of them would shout “Heil Hitler” and “Ve are zee Master Race” during flying. I also remember hearing that MMY spoke far more positively about Hitler than is politically correct on some Scandinavian radio show. I’m afraid I don’t remember much more. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vasanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > on 1/9/06 5:06 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > So MMY is God, in the eyes of many/most of his followers? Did > you > > > > > ever feel that way? Did youknow anyone who did? > > > > > > I believe a more common phrasing is that Maharishi > > > speaks for nature, or if you're really hard core, for Nature. > > > I heard a neighbor say as much a few months ago, for example. > > > Notice the CC tenet in that phrase -- the enlightened > > > person does everything in a life-supporting way. > > > > Does Nature ever want someone to make a mistake (in the > > relative sense) because the mistake will actually turn > > out to have life-supporting effects? > > > > Does Nature ever want anything? You know what I mean. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vasanas
On Jan 9, 2006, at 10:28 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: on 1/9/06 5:06 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So MMY is God, in the eyes of many/most of his followers? Did you ever feel that way? Did youknow anyone who did? I believe a more common phrasing is that Maharishi speaks for nature, or if you're really hard core, for Nature. I heard a neighbor say as much a few months ago, for example. Notice the CC tenet in that phrase -- the enlightened person does everything in a life-supporting way. My own take is that one's state of consciousness dictates how broad- based the support of Nature is. Someone in CC may be very superficial in their behavior compared to someone in a higher state. So what kind of support of nature do you think M. is getting? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vasanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > on 1/9/06 5:06 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > So MMY is God, in the eyes of many/most of his followers? Did you > > > > ever feel that way? Did youknow anyone who did? > > > > I believe a more common phrasing is that Maharishi > > speaks for nature, or if you're really hard core, for Nature. > > I heard a neighbor say as much a few months ago, for example. > > Notice the CC tenet in that phrase -- the enlightened > > person does everything in a life-supporting way. > > Does Nature ever want someone to make a mistake (in the > relative sense) because the mistake will actually turn > out to have life-supporting effects? > Does Nature ever want anything? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vasanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > on 1/9/06 5:06 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > So MMY is God, in the eyes of many/most of his followers? Did you ever > > > feel that way? Did youknow anyone who did? > > I believe a more common phrasing is that Maharishi > speaks for nature, or if you're really hard core, for Nature. > I heard a neighbor say as much a few months ago, for example. > Notice the CC tenet in that phrase -- the enlightened > person does everything in a life-supporting way. > My own take is that one's state of consciousness dictates how broad- based the support of Nature is. Someone in CC may be very superficial in their behavior compared to someone in a higher state. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vasanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 1/9/06 5:06 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> MMY said something like, "Before god, we should be just > >>> like a dog, just estatically eager and happy to do whatever > >>> is 'asked' -- presented before us." > >> > >> There you have it, in a nutshell. That's how he > >> expected the people he made TM teachers to live > >> their lives. A lot did, and still do. I guess > >> if you like that sorta thing, the movement provides > >> endless opportunities to jump through hoops. > >> > > > > So MMY is God, in the eyes of many/most of his followers? Did you ever > > feel that way? Did youknow anyone who did? > > I once heard Johnny Gray say that, but I think he changed his mind. I used > to think he was the messiah, but I changed mine. > SMall wonder the TMO is messed up. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vasanas
On Jan 9, 2006, at 7:14 PM, Rick Archer wrote:on 1/9/06 5:07 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On Jan 9, 2006, at 5:30 PM, authfriend wrote: I was hoping Rick would get back to us on it, because frankly it was one of the most bizarre thing I had ever heard. What was I supposed to get back to you on? I’m missing a lot of posts and just happened to catch this one. You were going to get back to the list on the M/Hitler story. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vasanas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > on 1/9/06 5:06 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > So MMY is God, in the eyes of many/most of his followers? Did you > > > ever feel that way? Did youknow anyone who did? > > I believe a more common phrasing is that Maharishi > speaks for nature, or if you're really hard core, for Nature. > I heard a neighbor say as much a few months ago, for example. > Notice the CC tenet in that phrase -- the enlightened > person does everything in a life-supporting way. Does Nature ever want someone to make a mistake (in the relative sense) because the mistake will actually turn out to have life-supporting effects? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vasanas
> on 1/9/06 5:06 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > So MMY is God, in the eyes of many/most of his followers? Did you ever > > feel that way? Did youknow anyone who did? I believe a more common phrasing is that Maharishi speaks for nature, or if you're really hard core, for Nature. I heard a neighbor say as much a few months ago, for example. Notice the CC tenet in that phrase -- the enlightened person does everything in a life-supporting way. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vasanas
on 1/9/06 5:06 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >>> >>> MMY said something like, "Before god, we should be just >>> like a dog, just estatically eager and happy to do whatever >>> is 'asked' -- presented before us." >> >> There you have it, in a nutshell. That's how he >> expected the people he made TM teachers to live >> their lives. A lot did, and still do. I guess >> if you like that sorta thing, the movement provides >> endless opportunities to jump through hoops. >> > > So MMY is God, in the eyes of many/most of his followers? Did you ever > feel that way? Did youknow anyone who did? I once heard Johnny Gray say that, but I think he changed his mind. I used to think he was the messiah, but I changed mine. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vasanas
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vasanas on 1/9/06 5:07 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 9, 2006, at 5:30 PM, authfriend wrote: I was hoping Rick would get back to us on it, because frankly it was one of the most bizarre thing I had ever heard. What was I supposed to get back to you on? I’m missing a lot of posts and just happened to catch this one. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
