[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY and NY Times, CNN
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sal, I was referring to Turquoise's comments, not to > the reporters. Can you explain to me why you feel that describing Maharishi's actions with the phrase "a grumpy old coot who doesn't like it when he has to deal with real people instead of Yes-men" constitutes "abuse?" What about that phrase is not *true* about the situation we are discussing? Or is "abuse" related to telling the truth, period? Curious minds want to know... > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > > > It's not easy to tell why Feste thinks MMY was being abused, since the > > part he quoted was simply about the NYT reporter asking him some > > questions, generally in a respectful manner. Strange idea of abuse. > > > > Sal > > > > > > On Mar 17, 2006, at 11:51 AM, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > > > "Woe to the man who abuses his former spiritual teacher, for sorrow > > > will come > > > > to him in the fullness of his days." > > > > The Book of Feste, Chapter 1, verse 1. > > > > > > "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain." - Wizard of Oz > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY and NY Times, CNN
Sal, I was referring to Turquoise's comments, not to the reporters. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's not easy to tell why Feste thinks MMY was being abused, since the > part he quoted was simply about the NYT reporter asking him some > questions, generally in a respectful manner. Strange idea of abuse. > > Sal > > > On Mar 17, 2006, at 11:51 AM, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > "Woe to the man who abuses his former spiritual teacher, for sorrow > > will come > > > to him in the fullness of his days." > > > The Book of Feste, Chapter 1, verse 1. > > > > "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain." - Wizard of Oz > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY and NY Times, CNN
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Don't have time to comment on particulars, but in general I thought > the questions were pretty good and don't understand MMY's getting > pissed off, except that he's gotten so used to dealing only with > yes-men within the separate reality that is intl tmo. > > The responses regarding wanting tm teachers to make money and not > wanting publicity struck me as the most unreal. Well, the stuff about > Hagelin taking over the US we just ignore now, right? No, don't ignore. "Be afraid, be very afraid." Gena Davis, "The Fly" > > The only other time I've heard real reporters ask good questions about > the mov't to MMY was about 10 yrs ago when an Israeli journalist/ > meditator got in -- MMY didn't exactly get pissed but he responded to > those types of questions with lots of doubletalk or 1 word answers. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > MMY 3/15/06 > > > > Journalist and photographer are there from New York Times > > > > MMY: Jai Guru Dev. Open some questions. > > > > NY Times reporter: > > > > Q: How does Maharishi enjoy himself? What is the most important > thing he > > has learned in his life? > > > > MMY: How to enjoy and how TM takes the mind to TC, the level of > blissful > > consciousness. Now is the time to create groups of people who can enjoy > > this and radiate bliss so that all the things that are not enjoyable > in life > > will disappear. > > > > > > > > Q: Why isn¹t your message of inner peace enough? Why are you > expanding the > > message? > > > > MMY. There millions of people everywhere. It is question of reaching > all of > > them. > > > > Q: Does this move to group practice reflect your expansion as a human > > being? > > > > MMY: Yes. This group flying and bubbling in bliss comes from the > individual > > experience. > > > > Q: People are still skeptical of YF as no one has actual done more than > > hop. Isn¹t it better to get TM out to everyone free and see what > other ideas > > come out of people on their own? > > > > MMY: Teaching free does not work. People don¹t value anything for free. > > Wealthy people will not go for anything free. Poor people are too busy > > working to do it. and then the teachers end up poor and have to take > job. > > Everyone wants money. So then I though make it a fee. It is not a > matter of > > money. It is a matter of a technique of bliss. Why should my > teachers who > > spend time developing this remain free. Governments have billions of > > dollars. Why should they expect my teachers to teach for free? It is > not a > > matter of money. Don¹t waste my time on superficial values. > > > > Q: Where does that consciousness come from that makes you want to help > > everybody? > > > > MMY: Comes from the role of the parent to nourish the children. It > is beyond > > your understanding to appreciate this. Don¹t waste my time. > > > > Q: How does the transformation come from inner life to help people. > To be > > concerned with the group rather than the individual. > > > > MMY: Many people are practicing these Indian values. > > > > Q: Why do you not talk to the inner values of human beings instead > of terms > > like heaven on earth and kings? > > > > MMY: I know better what words to use. > > > > From CNN producer doing documentary on rise of spirituality in world > today: > > > > Q: How does MMY define spirituality? > > > > MMY: Spirituality defines people from material world. I am telling > people > > that the light of God is within you. > > > > Q: How does TM create spirituality? > > > > MMY: Spirituality is transcendental in nature. Total light of God. > Unified > > Field according to physics. > > > > Q: Why are so many young people interested in TM today? > > > > MMY: It is not how and why. It is matter of when the message reaches > the > > young people. It is a fifty year thing. The story is old. It is not > a CNN > > story of today. Many of the reporters writing today were not even > born when > > I started, If that is the journalism today then damn it. It is a > waste of > > time. These great writers! Always American or British. What they > write is > > not the basis of why I exist. It is not the basis of how the world will > > change. Writers have very insignificant place in the life of the > leaders. > > Integrated national consciousness will be created whether you write > about it > > or not. These people just want to make money writing about it. I have no > > objection but don¹t waste my time. My message is not on publicity > but on the > > effectiveness of the program. I am very disappointed with the > questions of > > that lady. Complete waste of time. > > > > End CNN questions. > > > > Q: About ability of sound to have an influence everywhere? > > > > MMY: It is on the TC level. Beyond space and time. That is consciously > > reached by th
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY and NY Times, CNN
It's not easy to tell why Feste thinks MMY was being abused, since the part he quoted was simply about the NYT reporter asking him some questions, generally in a respectful manner. Strange idea of abuse. Sal On Mar 17, 2006, at 11:51 AM, Rick Archer wrote: > "Woe to the man who abuses his former spiritual teacher, for sorrow will come > to him in the fullness of his days." > The Book of Feste, Chapter 1, verse 1. "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain." - Wizard of Oz
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY and NY Times, CNN
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > MMY 3/15/06 > > Journalist and photographer are there from New York Times > > MMY: Jai Guru Dev. Open some questions. > > From NY Times. (MMY asked John to interpret the question for him on the > level that he will understand!) > *** What this snotty comment means is that MMY asked John what the reporter said, as he didn't hear it, so John repeated the question. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY and NY Times, CNN
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Berit Knutsen Knutsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Have I understood you right, you think Maharishi schould have answeared to that lady journalist: "I bow down to you because you are such a pretty little thing, and I am just an old jerk. I am sorry I am not a lyer and a thief, so am I pardoned in your wiev, that I may come across as just a little bit crooked, evil and corrupt?" And then to let her opinions set the mark of what he is, of which would truly be a waste of time. > That lady were neat and clean but her questions were not. They were intimidating, silently suggesting what a great number of ignorant people in their low minds think, that there are nothing in this world which is not all about power, sex and money. And schould Maharishi not be able to detect the taunt, when there are any? > And who can take for granted that they are deservant of anothers reply, when they are not communicating with their open hearts, but rather seems to have a purpose of disdaining whom they are talking to. > I love that so incredibly sharpcut fury of Maharishi, since those are the times when he speakes so clearly for my understanding, to the cutting edge of so may things, that is in this world not right. > Sincerely Lailaberith This is your mind on Kool-Aid. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY and NY Times, CNN
Have I understood you right, you think Maharishi schould have answeared to that lady journalist: "I bow down to you because you are such a pretty little thing, and I am just an old jerk. I am sorry I am not a lyer and a thief, so am I pardoned in your wiev, that I may come across as just a little bit crooked, evil and corrupt?" And then to let her opinions set the mark of what he is, of which would truly be a waste of time. That lady were neat and clean but her questions were not. They were intimidating, silently suggesting what a great number of ignorant people in their low minds think, that there are nothing in this world which is not all about power, sex and money. And schould Maharishi not be able to detect the taunt, when there are any? And who can take for granted that they are deservant of anothers reply, when they are not communicating with their open hearts, but rather seems to have a purpose of disdaining whom they are talking to. I love that so incredibly sharpcut fury of Maharishi, since those are the times when he speakes so clearly for my understanding, to the cutting edge of so may things, that is in this world not right. Sincerely Lailaberith TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> From a friend:> > I saw that press conference live. I think the 'why> don't you teach in the third world for free' question> started it down the slippery slope. At one stage M> was monosyllabic in his answers. By the time Hagelin> changed to CNN things were at a low ebb, and their> questions didn't get answered. But the NY Times> reporter seemed unfazed by it and went on to ask a few> more questions via John H at the end of the session.> He managed to calm M down by feeding in the odd> inspiring question.> > The other things I remember her asking which didn't go> down well were mentioning the Beatles and Deepak> Chopra, wouldn't it be better not to have the 'His> Highnesses, His Excellencies, King stuff' - better to> concentrate on TM. She said the Sidhis as she> understood it only had people hopping and not actually> flying. Poor old Hagelin looked a bit rattled at> times, but he keeps bouncing back. Pity, cos that> reporter was really pretty!I didn't see the video and so can't comment on her prettiness, but she certainly was patientwith a grumpy old coot who doesn't like it whenhe has to deal with real people instead ofYes-men.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY and NY Times, CNN
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is true that "we" on FFL tend not to, but I still have a reflex to do this - that I have to override with some effort. I'll be 80 before I grow up! It is hard to outgrow the idea of a perfect adult/parent somewhere out there in the universe. I suspect our brains are wired for that belief, and in an ideal world, it is healthy to have that expectation at any age. > "We" don't. > > Sal > > > On Mar 17, 2006, at 12:17 PM, wayback71 wrote: > > > This brings up an issue for me - why do we tend to "blame" the > > student/disciple for not > > having enough faith, or enough belief to overlook bad behavior, > > rather than the other way > > around? > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY and NY Times, CNN
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Woe to the man who abuses his former spiritual teacher, for sorrow will come > to him in the fullness of his days." > The Book of Feste, Chapter 1, verse 1. and the next verse is: "Woe to the spiritual teacher who abuses his students for sorrow will come to him in the fullness of his days. For they will be sure to point it out." > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > wrote: > > > > > > From a friend: > > > > > > I saw that press conference live. I think the 'why > > > don't you teach in the third world for free' question > > > started it down the slippery slope. At one stage M > > > was monosyllabic in his answers. By the time Hagelin > > > changed to CNN things were at a low ebb, and their > > > questions didn't get answered. But the NY Times > > > reporter seemed unfazed by it and went on to ask a few > > > more questions via John H at the end of the session. > > > He managed to calm M down by feeding in the odd > > > inspiring question. > > > > > > The other things I remember her asking which didn't go > > > down well were mentioning the Beatles and Deepak > > > Chopra, wouldn't it be better not to have the 'His > > > Highnesses, His Excellencies, King stuff' - better to > > > concentrate on TM. She said the Sidhis as she > > > understood it only had people hopping and not actually > > > flying. Poor old Hagelin looked a bit rattled at > > > times, but he keeps bouncing back. Pity, cos that > > > reporter was really pretty! > > > > I didn't see the video and so can't comment on > > her prettiness, but she certainly was patient > > with a grumpy old coot who doesn't like it when > > he has to deal with real people instead of > > Yes-men. > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY and NY Times, CNN
"We" don't. Sal On Mar 17, 2006, at 12:17 PM, wayback71 wrote: This brings up an issue for me - why do we tend to "blame" the student/disciple for not having enough faith, or enough belief to overlook bad behavior, rather than the other way around?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY and NY Times, CNN
on 3/17/06 10:34 AM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Quite a contrast with Mike S.'s court proceedings yesterday, isn't it? How did his court thing go? Was a report posted? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY and NY Times, CNN
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 3/17/06 12:17 PM, wayback71 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > This brings up an issue for me - why do we tend to "blame" the > > student/disciple for not > > having enough faith, or enough belief to overlook bad behavior, rather than > > the other way > > around? > > It's like blaming the rape victim for tempting the rapist. > Exactly Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY and NY Times, CNN
on 3/17/06 12:17 PM, wayback71 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > This brings up an issue for me - why do we tend to "blame" the > student/disciple for not > having enough faith, or enough belief to overlook bad behavior, rather than > the other way > around? It's like blaming the rape victim for tempting the rapist. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY and NY Times, CNN
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > on 3/17/06 11:35 AM, feste37 at feste37@ wrote: > > > > > > "Woe to the man who abuses his former spiritual teacher, > > > for sorrow will come to him in the fullness of his days." > > > The Book of Feste, Chapter 1, verse 1. > > > > Woe to the person who is afraid to point it out > > when his spiritual teacher is talking crazy, for > > he is a prime candidate for drinking the Kool-Aid, > > and never reaching the fullness of his days. :-) > > This brings up an issue for me - why do we tend to "blame" > the student/disciple for not having enough faith, or enough > belief to overlook bad behavior, rather than the other way > around? It's a good question. Theoretically, the *teacher* is the one who is supposed to be more highly evolved, and thus more able to understand and be compassionate about the failings of his or her students. But almost the entire history of spiritual teaching is slanted the other direction, to convince the student that he needs to forgive (or worse, overlook) any failings in the teacher. And, it is worth remembering that in the actual event being discussed, the failing is clearly on Maharishi's side. The reporter is respectful, patient, and goes out of her way to ignore his outbursts and keep the questioning on track. Maharishi, in contrast, pitches a hissy fit and is more than rude to her. He basically acts like a petulant child while she acts like an adult. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY and NY Times, CNN
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > on 3/17/06 11:35 AM, feste37 at feste37@ wrote: > > > > "Woe to the man who abuses his former spiritual teacher, > > for sorrow will come to him in the fullness of his days." > > The Book of Feste, Chapter 1, verse 1. > > Woe to the person who is afraid to point it out > when his spiritual teacher is talking crazy, for > he is a prime candidate for drinking the Kool-Aid, > and never reaching the fullness of his days. :-) > You really shouldn't have added the smiley face to your comment, Barry, as it takes away from the seriousness of the statement. With the smiley face, feste37 and others so predisposed may actually think you're kidding. And, thus, your action may cause his and others' deaths. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY and NY Times, CNN
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > on 3/17/06 11:35 AM, feste37 at feste37@ wrote: > > > > "Woe to the man who abuses his former spiritual teacher, > > for sorrow will come to him in the fullness of his days." > > The Book of Feste, Chapter 1, verse 1. > > Woe to the person who is afraid to point it out > when his spiritual teacher is talking crazy, for > he is a prime candidate for drinking the Kool-Aid, > and never reaching the fullness of his days. :-) > This brings up an issue for me - why do we tend to "blame" the student/disciple for not having enough faith, or enough belief to overlook bad behavior, rather than the other way around? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY and NY Times, CNN
> on 3/17/06 11:35 AM, feste37 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > "Woe to the man who abuses his former spiritual teacher, > for sorrow will come to him in the fullness of his days." > The Book of Feste, Chapter 1, verse 1. Woe to the person who is afraid to point it out when his spiritual teacher is talking crazy, for he is a prime candidate for drinking the Kool-Aid, and never reaching the fullness of his days. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY and NY Times, CNN
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I love these interviews where MMY is posing next to God, ruling the > world in his fantasy mind. When he says it is for the sake of well- > being of HIS teachers - he has raised the prices - he is lying. He > does not care about HIS Teachers. But it comes out very clearly that > he is the one that has raised the prices - not someone in the TMO. He > attacks reporters, America, Britain - the journalist. it seems that he > is full of stress. > Ingegerd > It's the CIA's fault. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY and NY Times, CNN
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Woe to the man who abuses his former spiritual teacher, for sorrow will come > to him in the fullness of his days." > The Book of Feste, Chapter 1, verse 1. "Woe to those who introduce fear into spiritual discussions for surely they will reap the very fear they intend to sow in others" Shemp McGurk > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > wrote: > > > > > > From a friend: > > > > > > I saw that press conference live. I think the 'why > > > don't you teach in the third world for free' question > > > started it down the slippery slope. At one stage M > > > was monosyllabic in his answers. By the time Hagelin > > > changed to CNN things were at a low ebb, and their > > > questions didn't get answered. But the NY Times > > > reporter seemed unfazed by it and went on to ask a few > > > more questions via John H at the end of the session. > > > He managed to calm M down by feeding in the odd > > > inspiring question. > > > > > > The other things I remember her asking which didn't go > > > down well were mentioning the Beatles and Deepak > > > Chopra, wouldn't it be better not to have the 'His > > > Highnesses, His Excellencies, King stuff' - better to > > > concentrate on TM. She said the Sidhis as she > > > understood it only had people hopping and not actually > > > flying. Poor old Hagelin looked a bit rattled at > > > times, but he keeps bouncing back. Pity, cos that > > > reporter was really pretty! > > > > I didn't see the video and so can't comment on > > her prettiness, but she certainly was patient > > with a grumpy old coot who doesn't like it when > > he has to deal with real people instead of > > Yes-men. > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY and NY Times, CNN
on 3/17/06 11:35 AM, feste37 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > "Woe to the man who abuses his former spiritual teacher, for sorrow will come > to him in the fullness of his days." > The Book of Feste, Chapter 1, verse 1. "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain." - Wizard of Oz Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY and NY Times, CNN
"Woe to the man who abuses his former spiritual teacher, for sorrow will come to him in the fullness of his days." The Book of Feste, Chapter 1, verse 1. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > From a friend: > > > > I saw that press conference live. I think the 'why > > don't you teach in the third world for free' question > > started it down the slippery slope. At one stage M > > was monosyllabic in his answers. By the time Hagelin > > changed to CNN things were at a low ebb, and their > > questions didn't get answered. But the NY Times > > reporter seemed unfazed by it and went on to ask a few > > more questions via John H at the end of the session. > > He managed to calm M down by feeding in the odd > > inspiring question. > > > > The other things I remember her asking which didn't go > > down well were mentioning the Beatles and Deepak > > Chopra, wouldn't it be better not to have the 'His > > Highnesses, His Excellencies, King stuff' - better to > > concentrate on TM. She said the Sidhis as she > > understood it only had people hopping and not actually > > flying. Poor old Hagelin looked a bit rattled at > > times, but he keeps bouncing back. Pity, cos that > > reporter was really pretty! > > I didn't see the video and so can't comment on > her prettiness, but she certainly was patient > with a grumpy old coot who doesn't like it when > he has to deal with real people instead of > Yes-men. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY and NY Times, CNN
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I love these interviews where MMY is posing next to God, ruling the > world in his fantasy mind. When he says it is for the sake of well- > being of HIS teachers - he has raised the prices - he is lying. He > does not care about HIS Teachers. But it comes out very clearly that > he is the one that has raised the prices - not someone in the TMO. He > attacks reporters, America, Britain - the journalist. it seems that he > is full of stress. > Ingegerd > Tired old man? Or just impatient these days... Is there a difference? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY and NY Times, CNN
I love these interviews where MMY is posing next to God, ruling the world in his fantasy mind. When he says it is for the sake of well- being of HIS teachers - he has raised the prices - he is lying. He does not care about HIS Teachers. But it comes out very clearly that he is the one that has raised the prices - not someone in the TMO. He attacks reporters, America, Britain - the journalist. it seems that he is full of stress. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY and NY Times, CNN
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Don't have time to comment on particulars, but in general I thought > the questions were pretty good and don't understand MMY's getting > pissed off, except that he's gotten so used to dealing only with > yes-men within the separate reality that is intl tmo. > > The responses regarding wanting tm teachers to make money and not > wanting publicity struck me as the most unreal. Well, the stuff about > Hagelin taking over the US we just ignore now, right? > > The only other time I've heard real reporters ask good questions about > the mov't to MMY was about 10 yrs ago when an Israeli journalist/ > meditator got in -- MMY didn't exactly get pissed but he responded to > those types of questions with lots of doubletalk or 1 word answers. > "The responses regarding wanting tm teachers to make money and not wanting publicity struck me as the most unreal." Quite a contrast with Mike S.'s court proceedings yesterday, isn't it? So unreal it's on the cutting room floor. JohnY > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > MMY 3/15/06 > > > > Journalist and photographer are there from New York Times > > > > MMY: Jai Guru Dev. Open some questions. > > > > NY Times reporter: > > > > Q: How does Maharishi enjoy himself? What is the most important > thing he > > has learned in his life? > > > > MMY: How to enjoy and how TM takes the mind to TC, the level of > blissful > > consciousness. Now is the time to create groups of people who can enjoy > > this and radiate bliss so that all the things that are not enjoyable > in life > > will disappear. > > > > > > > > Q: Why isn¹t your message of inner peace enough? Why are you > expanding the > > message? > > > > MMY. There millions of people everywhere. It is question of reaching > all of > > them. > > > > Q: Does this move to group practice reflect your expansion as a human > > being? > > > > MMY: Yes. This group flying and bubbling in bliss comes from the > individual > > experience. > > > > Q: People are still skeptical of YF as no one has actual done more than > > hop. Isn¹t it better to get TM out to everyone free and see what > other ideas > > come out of people on their own? > > > > MMY: Teaching free does not work. People don¹t value anything for free. > > Wealthy people will not go for anything free. Poor people are too busy > > working to do it. and then the teachers end up poor and have to take > job. > > Everyone wants money. So then I though make it a fee. It is not a > matter of > > money. It is a matter of a technique of bliss. Why should my > teachers who > > spend time developing this remain free. Governments have billions of > > dollars. Why should they expect my teachers to teach for free? It is > not a > > matter of money. Don¹t waste my time on superficial values. > > > > Q: Where does that consciousness come from that makes you want to help > > everybody? > > > > MMY: Comes from the role of the parent to nourish the children. It > is beyond > > your understanding to appreciate this. Don¹t waste my time. > > > > Q: How does the transformation come from inner life to help people. > To be > > concerned with the group rather than the individual. > > > > MMY: Many people are practicing these Indian values. > > > > Q: Why do you not talk to the inner values of human beings instead > of terms > > like heaven on earth and kings? > > > > MMY: I know better what words to use. > > > > From CNN producer doing documentary on rise of spirituality in world > today: > > > > Q: How does MMY define spirituality? > > > > MMY: Spirituality defines people from material world. I am telling > people > > that the light of God is within you. > > > > Q: How does TM create spirituality? > > > > MMY: Spirituality is transcendental in nature. Total light of God. > Unified > > Field according to physics. > > > > Q: Why are so many young people interested in TM today? > > > > MMY: It is not how and why. It is matter of when the message reaches > the > > young people. It is a fifty year thing. The story is old. It is not > a CNN > > story of today. Many of the reporters writing today were not even > born when > > I started, If that is the journalism today then damn it. It is a > waste of > > time. These great writers! Always American or British. What they > write is > > not the basis of why I exist. It is not the basis of how the world will > > change. Writers have very insignificant place in the life of the > leaders. > > Integrated national consciousness will be created whether you write > about it > > or not. These people just want to make money writing about it. I have no > > objection but don¹t waste my time. My message is not on publicity > but on the > > effectiveness of the program. I am very disappointed with the > questions of > > that lady. Complete waste of time. > > > > End CNN questions. > > > > Q: Abou
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY and NY Times, CNN
Don't have time to comment on particulars, but in general I thought the questions were pretty good and don't understand MMY's getting pissed off, except that he's gotten so used to dealing only with yes-men within the separate reality that is intl tmo. The responses regarding wanting tm teachers to make money and not wanting publicity struck me as the most unreal. Well, the stuff about Hagelin taking over the US we just ignore now, right? The only other time I've heard real reporters ask good questions about the mov't to MMY was about 10 yrs ago when an Israeli journalist/ meditator got in -- MMY didn't exactly get pissed but he responded to those types of questions with lots of doubletalk or 1 word answers. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > MMY 3/15/06 > > Journalist and photographer are there from New York Times > > MMY: Jai Guru Dev. Open some questions. > > NY Times reporter: > > Q: How does Maharishi enjoy himself? What is the most important thing he > has learned in his life? > > MMY: How to enjoy and how TM takes the mind to TC, the level of blissful > consciousness. Now is the time to create groups of people who can enjoy > this and radiate bliss so that all the things that are not enjoyable in life > will disappear. > > > > Q: Why isn¹t your message of inner peace enough? Why are you expanding the > message? > > MMY. There millions of people everywhere. It is question of reaching all of > them. > > Q: Does this move to group practice reflect your expansion as a human > being? > > MMY: Yes. This group flying and bubbling in bliss comes from the individual > experience. > > Q: People are still skeptical of YF as no one has actual done more than > hop. Isn¹t it better to get TM out to everyone free and see what other ideas > come out of people on their own? > > MMY: Teaching free does not work. People don¹t value anything for free. > Wealthy people will not go for anything free. Poor people are too busy > working to do it. and then the teachers end up poor and have to take job. > Everyone wants money. So then I though make it a fee. It is not a matter of > money. It is a matter of a technique of bliss. Why should my teachers who > spend time developing this remain free. Governments have billions of > dollars. Why should they expect my teachers to teach for free? It is not a > matter of money. Don¹t waste my time on superficial values. > > Q: Where does that consciousness come from that makes you want to help > everybody? > > MMY: Comes from the role of the parent to nourish the children. It is beyond > your understanding to appreciate this. Don¹t waste my time. > > Q: How does the transformation come from inner life to help people. To be > concerned with the group rather than the individual. > > MMY: Many people are practicing these Indian values. > > Q: Why do you not talk to the inner values of human beings instead of terms > like heaven on earth and kings? > > MMY: I know better what words to use. > > From CNN producer doing documentary on rise of spirituality in world today: > > Q: How does MMY define spirituality? > > MMY: Spirituality defines people from material world. I am telling people > that the light of God is within you. > > Q: How does TM create spirituality? > > MMY: Spirituality is transcendental in nature. Total light of God. Unified > Field according to physics. > > Q: Why are so many young people interested in TM today? > > MMY: It is not how and why. It is matter of when the message reaches the > young people. It is a fifty year thing. The story is old. It is not a CNN > story of today. Many of the reporters writing today were not even born when > I started, If that is the journalism today then damn it. It is a waste of > time. These great writers! Always American or British. What they write is > not the basis of why I exist. It is not the basis of how the world will > change. Writers have very insignificant place in the life of the leaders. > Integrated national consciousness will be created whether you write about it > or not. These people just want to make money writing about it. I have no > objection but don¹t waste my time. My message is not on publicity but on the > effectiveness of the program. I am very disappointed with the questions of > that lady. Complete waste of time. > > End CNN questions. > > Q: About ability of sound to have an influence everywhere? > > MMY: It is on the TC level. Beyond space and time. That is consciously > reached by the human life, I applaud UNESCO pronouncement that Vedic > recitation is the common heritage of mankind. > > Q: What is the role of belief in TM and MMY¹s other programs? > > MMY: Belief is not important. It is too superficial. This is real. If it is > real one enjoys. Faith or no faith. When the man goes through the process of > learning, then he goes to TC whether he likes it or not. It is something > very real to life. > > Q: What h
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY and NY Times, CNN
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From a friend: > > I saw that press conference live. I think the 'why > don't you teach in the third world for free' question > started it down the slippery slope. At one stage M > was monosyllabic in his answers. By the time Hagelin > changed to CNN things were at a low ebb, and their > questions didn't get answered. But the NY Times > reporter seemed unfazed by it and went on to ask a few > more questions via John H at the end of the session. > He managed to calm M down by feeding in the odd > inspiring question. > > The other things I remember her asking which didn't go > down well were mentioning the Beatles and Deepak > Chopra, wouldn't it be better not to have the 'His > Highnesses, His Excellencies, King stuff' - better to > concentrate on TM. She said the Sidhis as she > understood it only had people hopping and not actually > flying. Poor old Hagelin looked a bit rattled at > times, but he keeps bouncing back. Pity, cos that > reporter was really pretty! I didn't see the video and so can't comment on her prettiness, but she certainly was patient with a grumpy old coot who doesn't like it when he has to deal with real people instead of Yes-men. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
