[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Buck]

t; > > > space bros making crop circles, but so far no luck.
> > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Well sadly, it is about proper values.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Conservative meditator that I am, I should have these lost 
> > > > > > > > people at reading the discourses of Brahmananda Saraswati.   
> > > > > > > > Really MJ, these people's time should be so much better spent 
> > > > > > > > if only just sitting reading the discourses of Brahmananda 
> > > > > > > > Saraswati. Studying at:  
> > > > > > > > http://lbshriver.wordpress.com/guru-dev-lectures/ 
> > > > > > > > Jai Guru Dev [SBS], 
> > > > > > > > -Buck 
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Great quote on group meditation, "the invisible vibratory 
> > > > > > > > > > exchange of group magnetism".  Yes certainly, the 
> > > > > > > > > > spirituality of the Meissner Effect [ME] of meditation in 
> > > > > > > > > > group meditation practice.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "Group meditation is a castle that protects the new 
> > > > > > > > > > > spiritual aspirants as
> > > > > > > > > > well as the veteran meditators. Meditating together 
> > > > > > > > > > increases the degree of
> > > > > > > > > > Self-realization of each member of the group by the law of 
> > > > > > > > > > invisible vibratory
> > > > > > > > > > exchange of group magnetism."
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > â€"Paramahansa Yogananda in Seeking God Together
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
> > > > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I have to admit that I did always find meditating in 
> > > > > > > > > > > > group more fulfilling somehow than singular meditation. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Now that is meditation mind you, not TMSP
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Just meditating.  That is a fair observation.  I 
> > > > > > > > > > > interview folks in the larger TM meditating community 
> > > > > > > > > > > here all the time and also when I travel and i commonly 
> > > > > > > > > > > find your sense about meditating v TMSP.  Most people 
> > > > > > > > > > > here will say they are meditators [TM] but don't do the 
> > > > > > > > > > > TMSP when you ask about their spiritual practice.  An 
> > > > > > > > > > > irony in the recent opening of a movement meditation hall 
> > > > > > > > > > > in downtown Fairfield is that they sought to not 
> > > > > > > > > > > accommodate meditators who would come to meditate. [Need 
> > > > > > > > > > > a Course Office TMSP Badge exclusively to meditate there] 
> > > > > > > > > > > They [the strict preservationists] seem determinedly out 
> > > > > > > > > > > of touch with the meditating community as it is.
> > > > > > > > > > > -Buck 
> > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[obbajeeba]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > turq, with regards to Bertrand Russell's *wish to find out* I reply that at 
> > MUM, TM and TMSP is not called Belief in Consciousness but rather 
> > Development of Consciousness and students receive academic credit for it. 
> > And this credit is recognized by the regional accrediting agency as well as 
> > by graduate programs at universities all over the US and even as far away 
> > as China. In fact, this summer I've noticed that the number of young 
> > Chinese women in the Dome is increasing. I mention this because I find the 
> > Chinese in general to be very smart and very practical.
> > 
> > With regards to Russell's *will to believe* just in the simplest way we 
> > don't find uniformity with TMers, even long term TMers and recert govs. 
> > Meaning that in all these groups we find devout Jews and Catholics and 
> > Protestants and Hindus. Don't know about
> >  Muslims.
> > 
> > As for uniformity of TM related beliefs, there are probably those who 
> > actually do believe 100% and there are those who believe less and there are 
> > those who simply go by their own experience. A woman who sits near me is 
> > what I call on the TM straight and narrow, as is her husband. I am not. I'm 
> > sure such variance can be found in the rest of the Dome.
> > 
> > And lastly, if clothing is any indication, and personally I think that it 
> > is, then there's plenty of individuality in the women's Dome: some wear 
> > jogging outfits; some wear beautiful punjabis; some like me wear regular 
> > casual clothes; some of the students wear tank tops and shorts; some women 
> > in the evening come straight from work in skirts or dresses.
> 
> Interesting that in all of your examples of individuality that you illustrate 
> above you lump the entire Chinese population into one generalization.
> > 
> > 

Not hard when we have an anthem like this!  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH2P_pVze6s  :)

> > 
> > 
> >  From: turquoiseb 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 6:22 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
> >  
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > It's very important the environment that we keep. Group 
> > > meditations are really important. In group meditations 
> > > you get the advantage of the energy of the other person, 
> > > and the devotion of the other person, and the perseverance, 
> > > and the will of the other person, and you are absolutely 
> > > inspired. So, group meditations, seek them out! 
> > 
> > Can't argue with Buck's logic here, if what you
> > want in a spiritual movement and out of life is
> > (to reference the Bertrand Russell quote on the
> > FFL Home Page) to cultivate the "will to believe,"
> > as opposed to the "wish to find out."
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Richard J. Williams]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> reckon these are some of the Asian gals who were trading sex for grades and 
> money with the professor who was just fired for same, according to the posts 
> on MUM Secrets?
> 
This is the point in the discussion that the informants 
fink on the Asian gals. Next you'll be outing all the 
gays and lesbians. Go figure. 
 
  
> turq, with regards to Bertrand Russell's *wish to find out* I reply that at 
> MUM, TM and TMSP is not called Belief in Consciousness but rather Development 
> of Consciousness and students receive academic credit for it. And this credit 
> is recognized by the regional accrediting agency as well as by graduate 
> programs at universities all over the US and even as far away as China. In 
> fact, this summer I've noticed that the number of young Chinese women in the 
> Dome is increasing. I mention this because I find the Chinese in general to 
> be very smart and very practical.
> 
> With regards to Russell's *will to believe* just in the simplest way we don't 
> find uniformity with TMers, even long term TMers and recert govs. Meaning 
> that in all these groups we find devout Jews and Catholics and Protestants 
> and Hindus.
>  Don't know about
>  Muslims.
> 
> As for uniformity of TM related beliefs, there are probably those who 
> actually do believe 100% and there are those who believe less and there are 
> those who simply go by their own experience. A woman who sits near me is what 
> I call on the TM straight and narrow, as is her husband. I am not. I'm sure 
> such variance can be found in the rest of the Dome.
> 
> And lastly, if clothing is any indication, and personally I think that it is, 
> then there's plenty of individuality in the women's Dome: some wear jogging 
> outfits; some wear beautiful punjabis; some like me wear regular casual 
> clothes; some of the students wear tank tops and shorts; some women in the 
> evening come straight from work in skirts or dresses.
> 
> 
> 
> ____________________
>  From: turquoiseb 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 6:22 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
>  
> 
> 
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > It's very important the environment that we keep. Group 
> > meditations are really important. In group meditations 
> > you get the advantage of the energy of the other person, 
> > and the devotion of the other person, and the perseverance, 
> > and the will of the other person, and you are absolutely 
> > inspired. So, group meditations, seek them out! 
> 
> Can't argue with Buck's logic here, if what you
> want in a spiritual movement and out of life is
> (to reference the Bertrand Russell quote on the
> FFL Home Page) to cultivate the "will to believe,"
> as opposed to the "wish to find out."
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> turq, with regards to Bertrand Russell's *wish to find out* I reply that at 
> MUM, TM and TMSP is not called Belief in Consciousness but rather Development 
> of Consciousness and students receive academic credit for it. And this credit 
> is recognized by the regional accrediting agency as well as by graduate 
> programs at universities all over the US and even as far away as China. In 
> fact, this summer I've noticed that the number of young Chinese women in the 
> Dome is increasing. I mention this because I find the Chinese in general to 
> be very smart and very practical.
> 
> With regards to Russell's *will to believe* just in the simplest way we don't 
> find uniformity with TMers, even long term TMers and recert govs. Meaning 
> that in all these groups we find devout Jews and Catholics and Protestants 
> and Hindus. Don't know about
>  Muslims.
> 
> As for uniformity of TM related beliefs, there are probably those who 
> actually do believe 100% and there are those who believe less and there are 
> those who simply go by their own experience. A woman who sits near me is what 
> I call on the TM straight and narrow, as is her husband. I am not. I'm sure 
> such variance can be found in the rest of the Dome.
> 
> And lastly, if clothing is any indication, and personally I think that it is, 
> then there's plenty of individuality in the women's Dome: some wear jogging 
> outfits; some wear beautiful punjabis; some like me wear regular casual 
> clothes; some of the students wear tank tops and shorts; some women in the 
> evening come straight from work in skirts or dresses.

Interesting that in all of your examples of individuality that you illustrate 
above you lump the entire Chinese population into one generalization.
> 
> 
> 
> ____________
>  From: turquoiseb 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 6:22 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
>  
> 
> 
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > It's very important the environment that we keep. Group 
> > meditations are really important. In group meditations 
> > you get the advantage of the energy of the other person, 
> > and the devotion of the other person, and the perseverance, 
> > and the will of the other person, and you are absolutely 
> > inspired. So, group meditations, seek them out! 
> 
> Can't argue with Buck's logic here, if what you
> want in a spiritual movement and out of life is
> (to reference the Bertrand Russell quote on the
> FFL Home Page) to cultivate the "will to believe,"
> as opposed to the "wish to find out."
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Share Long]

MJ, I have no idea. What I do know, having lived 65 years, is that this is a 
place of yin and yang, up and down, positive and negative. IMO anyone and 
anything on this planet is gonna be a mix. So maybe it's wise not to throw the 
baby out with the bath water. I'm not saying that's what you did. I'm simply 
saying that some have experienced the good and bad of the TMO and decided that 
the good is good enough to hang in here. AND some of us also think that that 
good will make the bad less horrific as time goes by. 





 From: Michael Jackson 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
 


  
reckon these are some of the Asian gals who were trading sex for grades and 
money with the professor who was just fired for same, according to the posts on 
MUM Secrets?





 From: Share Long 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
 


  
turq, with regards to Bertrand Russell's *wish to find out* I reply that at 
MUM, TM and TMSP is not called Belief in Consciousness but rather Development 
of Consciousness and students receive academic credit for it. And this credit 
is recognized by the regional accrediting agency as well as by graduate 
programs at universities all over the US and even as far away as China. In 
fact, this summer I've noticed that the number of young Chinese women in the 
Dome is increasing. I mention this because I find the Chinese in general to be 
very smart and very practical.

With regards to Russell's *will to believe* just in the simplest way we don't 
find uniformity with TMers, even long term TMers and recert govs. Meaning that 
in all these groups we find devout Jews and Catholics and Protestants and 
Hindus.
 Don't know about
 Muslims.

As for uniformity of TM related beliefs, there are probably those who actually 
do believe 100% and there are those who believe less and there are those who 
simply go by their own experience. A woman who sits near me is what I call on 
the TM straight and narrow, as is her husband. I am not. I'm sure such variance 
can be found in the rest of the Dome.

And lastly, if clothing is any indication, and personally I think that it is, 
then there's plenty of individuality in the women's Dome: some wear jogging 
outfits; some wear beautiful punjabis; some like me wear regular casual 
clothes; some of the students wear tank tops and shorts; some women in the 
evening come straight from work in skirts or dresses.




 From: turquoiseb 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 6:22 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> It's very important the environment that we keep. Group 
> meditations are really important. In group meditations 
> you get the advantage of the energy of the other person, 
> and the devotion of the other person, and the perseverance, 
> and the will of the other person, and you are absolutely 
> inspired. So, group meditations, seek them out! 

Can't argue with Buck's logic here, if what you
want in a spiritual movement and out of life is
(to reference the Bertrand Russell quote on the
FFL Home Page) to cultivate the "will to believe,"
as opposed to the "wish to find out."






 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Michael Jackson]

reckon these are some of the Asian gals who were trading sex for grades and 
money with the professor who was just fired for same, according to the posts on 
MUM Secrets?





 From: Share Long 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
 


  
turq, with regards to Bertrand Russell's *wish to find out* I reply that at 
MUM, TM and TMSP is not called Belief in Consciousness but rather Development 
of Consciousness and students receive academic credit for it. And this credit 
is recognized by the regional accrediting agency as well as by graduate 
programs at universities all over the US and even as far away as China. In 
fact, this summer I've noticed that the number of young Chinese women in the 
Dome is increasing. I mention this because I find the Chinese in general to be 
very smart and very practical.

With regards to Russell's *will to believe* just in the simplest way we don't 
find uniformity with TMers, even long term TMers and recert govs. Meaning that 
in all these groups we find devout Jews and Catholics and Protestants and 
Hindus.
 Don't know about
 Muslims.

As for uniformity of TM related beliefs, there are probably those who actually 
do believe 100% and there are those who believe less and there are those who 
simply go by their own experience. A woman who sits near me is what I call on 
the TM straight and narrow, as is her husband. I am not. I'm sure such variance 
can be found in the rest of the Dome.

And lastly, if clothing is any indication, and personally I think that it is, 
then there's plenty of individuality in the women's Dome: some wear jogging 
outfits; some wear beautiful punjabis; some like me wear regular casual 
clothes; some of the students wear tank tops and shorts; some women in the 
evening come straight from work in skirts or dresses.




 From: turquoiseb 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 6:22 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> It's very important the environment that we keep. Group 
> meditations are really important. In group meditations 
> you get the advantage of the energy of the other person, 
> and the devotion of the other person, and the perseverance, 
> and the will of the other person, and you are absolutely 
> inspired. So, group meditations, seek them out! 

Can't argue with Buck's logic here, if what you
want in a spiritual movement and out of life is
(to reference the Bertrand Russell quote on the
FFL Home Page) to cultivate the "will to believe,"
as opposed to the "wish to find out."




 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Share Long]

turq, with regards to Bertrand Russell's *wish to find out* I reply that at 
MUM, TM and TMSP is not called Belief in Consciousness but rather Development 
of Consciousness and students receive academic credit for it. And this credit 
is recognized by the regional accrediting agency as well as by graduate 
programs at universities all over the US and even as far away as China. In 
fact, this summer I've noticed that the number of young Chinese women in the 
Dome is increasing. I mention this because I find the Chinese in general to be 
very smart and very practical.

With regards to Russell's *will to believe* just in the simplest way we don't 
find uniformity with TMers, even long term TMers and recert govs. Meaning that 
in all these groups we find devout Jews and Catholics and Protestants and 
Hindus. Don't know about
 Muslims.

As for uniformity of TM related beliefs, there are probably those who actually 
do believe 100% and there are those who believe less and there are those who 
simply go by their own experience. A woman who sits near me is what I call on 
the TM straight and narrow, as is her husband. I am not. I'm sure such variance 
can be found in the rest of the Dome.

And lastly, if clothing is any indication, and personally I think that it is, 
then there's plenty of individuality in the women's Dome: some wear jogging 
outfits; some wear beautiful punjabis; some like me wear regular casual 
clothes; some of the students wear tank tops and shorts; some women in the 
evening come straight from work in skirts or dresses.




 From: turquoiseb 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 6:22 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> It's very important the environment that we keep. Group 
> meditations are really important. In group meditations 
> you get the advantage of the energy of the other person, 
> and the devotion of the other person, and the perseverance, 
> and the will of the other person, and you are absolutely 
> inspired. So, group meditations, seek them out! 

Can't argue with Buck's logic here, if what you
want in a spiritual movement and out of life is
(to reference the Bertrand Russell quote on the
FFL Home Page) to cultivate the "will to believe,"
as opposed to the "wish to find out."


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
> >
> > It's very important the environment that we keep. Group
> > meditations are really important. In group meditations
> > you get the advantage of the energy of the other person,
> > and the devotion of the other person, and the perseverance,
> > and the will of the other person, and you are absolutely
> > inspired. So, group meditations, seek them out!
>
> Can't argue with Buck's logic here, if what you
> want in a spiritual movement and out of life is
> (to reference the Bertrand Russell quote on the
> FFL Home Page) to cultivate the "will to believe,"
> as opposed to the "wish to find out."
>
> By all means, if the most important thing to you
> is to think the way the people around you think,
> believe the things they believe, and act the way
> they act, file into the Domes twice a day and
> immerse yourself in these other people's "energy"
> and "devotion."
>
> After all, we all know that "coherence," as the
> term is used in physics, involves lots of electrons
> lining up and marching in lock-step together, not
> one of them acting as if they had any individuality
> or personality or worth on their own. The only
> important thing is that they all do exactly what
> the other electrons are doing.
>
> So it is with "coherence" in the social/sociological
> setting of the Domes. If your highest goal in life
> is to be just like everybody else around you, you
> simply MUST meditate in groups with them every day.
> Skip a day, and you risk  having ideas of
> your own, or doing things that might be considered
> by your Betters as Off The Program. Can't have that...
>
> More seriously, although almost everyone (even me)
> might admit that there is a perceptible value in
> meditating with a group, it might be of interest to
> some here that some spiritual teachers in traditions
> other than TM *discourage* participating in group
> meds more often than, say, once or twice a month.
>
> The reason is that they have found over time that
> those who do it more often become "lazy" about their
> own meditations, and rarely make any progress in
> being able to have deep meditations when *not* in
> a group. They "ride the energy" that they pick up
> from the group, and "coast" with it, rather than
> doing what might be necessary to have just as deep
> and profound a meditation on their own.
I don't buy that. You're either having a deep meditation or you're not
at whatever time you're having it. Those riding the energy of a group
aren't going to get "lazy" in their ability to have deep meditations on
their own. Maybe in the case of riding a bike and drafting behind some
truck you could say this. You don't and can't build meditation muscles
especially with TM where it is purportedly effortless anyway. Lazy or
not lazy is not a factor, fit or not fit, alone or in a group is not
going to enable or disable anyone from transcending. Isn't it as easy as
falling off a cliff? (And while on the subject of  "herds", a nod to
Alfred Jacob Miller.)

  [File:Alfred Jacob Miller - Hunting Buffalo - Walters 371940190.jpg]


>>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Richard J. Williams]

> > It's very important the environment that we keep. Group 
> > meditations are really important. In group meditations 
> > you get the advantage of the energy of the other person, 
> > and the devotion of the other person, and the perseverance, 
> > and the will of the other person, and you are absolutely 
> > inspired. So, group meditations, seek them out! 
> >
turquoise:
> Can't argue with Buck's logic here, if what you
> want in a spiritual movement and out of life is
> (to reference the Bertrand Russell quote on the
> FFL Home Page) to cultivate the "will to believe,"
> as opposed to the "wish to find out."
> 
> By all means, if the most important thing to you
> is to think the way the people around you think,
> believe the things they believe, and act the way
> they act, file into the Domes twice a day and 
> immerse yourself in these other people's "energy"
> and "devotion." 
> 
Or, you could file into a French café twice a day
and immerse yourself in these other people's "energy"
and "devotion", and you can be just like every one 
else. LoL!

> After all, we all know that "coherence," as the
> term is used in physics, involves lots of electrons
> lining up and marching in lock-step together, not
> one of them acting as if they had any individuality
> or personality or worth on their own. The only 
> important thing is that they all do exactly what
> the other electrons are doing. 
> 
> So it is with "coherence" in the social/sociological
> setting of the Domes. If your highest goal in life
> is to be just like everybody else around you, you
> simply MUST meditate in groups with them every day.
> Skip a day, and you risk  having ideas of
> your own, or doing things that might be considered
> by your Betters as Off The Program. Can't have that...
> 
> More seriously, although almost everyone (even me)
> might admit that there is a perceptible value in 
> meditating with a group, it might be of interest to
> some here that some spiritual teachers in traditions
> other than TM *discourage* participating in group 
> meds more often than, say, once or twice a month. 
> 
> The reason is that they have found over time that
> those who do it more often become "lazy" about their
> own meditations, and rarely make any progress in 
> being able to have deep meditations when *not* in
> a group. They "ride the energy" that they pick up
> from the group, and "coast" with it, rather than
> doing what might be necessary to have just as deep
> and profound a meditation on their own.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> It's very important the environment that we keep. Group 
> meditations are really important. In group meditations 
> you get the advantage of the energy of the other person, 
> and the devotion of the other person, and the perseverance, 
> and the will of the other person, and you are absolutely 
> inspired. So, group meditations, seek them out! 

Can't argue with Buck's logic here, if what you
want in a spiritual movement and out of life is
(to reference the Bertrand Russell quote on the
FFL Home Page) to cultivate the "will to believe,"
as opposed to the "wish to find out."

By all means, if the most important thing to you
is to think the way the people around you think,
believe the things they believe, and act the way
they act, file into the Domes twice a day and 
immerse yourself in these other people's "energy"
and "devotion." 

After all, we all know that "coherence," as the
term is used in physics, involves lots of electrons
lining up and marching in lock-step together, not
one of them acting as if they had any individuality
or personality or worth on their own. The only 
important thing is that they all do exactly what
the other electrons are doing. 

So it is with "coherence" in the social/sociological
setting of the Domes. If your highest goal in life
is to be just like everybody else around you, you
simply MUST meditate in groups with them every day.
Skip a day, and you risk  having ideas of
your own, or doing things that might be considered
by your Betters as Off The Program. Can't have that...

More seriously, although almost everyone (even me)
might admit that there is a perceptible value in 
meditating with a group, it might be of interest to
some here that some spiritual teachers in traditions
other than TM *discourage* participating in group 
meds more often than, say, once or twice a month. 

The reason is that they have found over time that
those who do it more often become "lazy" about their
own meditations, and rarely make any progress in 
being able to have deep meditations when *not* in
a group. They "ride the energy" that they pick up
from the group, and "coast" with it, rather than
doing what might be necessary to have just as deep
and profound a meditation on their own. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Buck]

 meditation practice.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "Group meditation is a castle that protects the new 
> > > > > > > > > > spiritual aspirants as
> > > > > > > > > well as the veteran meditators. Meditating together increases 
> > > > > > > > > the degree of
> > > > > > > > > Self-realization of each member of the group by the law of 
> > > > > > > > > invisible vibratory
> > > > > > > > > exchange of group magnetism."
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > â€"Paramahansa Yogananda in Seeking God Together
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
> > > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I have to admit that I did always find meditating in 
> > > > > > > > > > > group more fulfilling somehow than singular meditation. 
> > > > > > > > > > > Now that is meditation mind you, not TMSP
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Just meditating.  That is a fair observation.  I interview 
> > > > > > > > > > folks in the larger TM meditating community here all the 
> > > > > > > > > > time and also when I travel and i commonly find your sense 
> > > > > > > > > > about meditating v TMSP.  Most people here will say they 
> > > > > > > > > > are meditators [TM] but don't do the TMSP when you ask 
> > > > > > > > > > about their spiritual practice.  An irony in the recent 
> > > > > > > > > > opening of a movement meditation hall in downtown Fairfield 
> > > > > > > > > > is that they sought to not accommodate meditators who would 
> > > > > > > > > > come to meditate. [Need a Course Office TMSP Badge 
> > > > > > > > > > exclusively to meditate there] They [the strict 
> > > > > > > > > > preservationists] seem determinedly out of touch with the 
> > > > > > > > > > meditating community as it is.
> > > > > > > > > > -Buck 
> > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > >  - the Dome experience with Jack Bodger constantly cracking 
> > > > > > > > > > his knuckles, people whoopin' and hollerin', many sleeping, 
> > > > > > > > > > many just sitting there and watching the flying (so-called 
> > > > > > > > > > flying) was a circus more than anything else. 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > The one thing I did enjoy was the time Big Bopper Bevan 
> > > > > > > > > > > stood up before the beginning of program to announce in 
> > > > > > > > > > > an obviously peevish voice that coming over to him while 
> > > > > > > > > > > he was "resting" after the flying to ask him questions 
> > > > > > > > > > > was ABSOLUTELY NOT legitimate.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Oh and by the way Buck there ain't no meditation groups 
> > > > > > > > > > > in these parts. Everyone is too busy out trying to catch 
> > > > > > > > > > > a photo of the space bros making crop circles, but so far 
> > > > > > > > > > > no luck.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Buck]

t; > > â€"Paramahansa Yogananda in Seeking God Together
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
> > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I have to admit that I did always find meditating in group 
> > > > > > > > > > more fulfilling somehow than singular meditation. Now that 
> > > > > > > > > > is meditation mind you, not TMSP
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Just meditating.  That is a fair observation.  I interview 
> > > > > > > > > folks in the larger TM meditating community here all the time 
> > > > > > > > > and also when I travel and i commonly find your sense about 
> > > > > > > > > meditating v TMSP.  Most people here will say they are 
> > > > > > > > > meditators [TM] but don't do the TMSP when you ask about 
> > > > > > > > > their spiritual practice.  An irony in the recent opening of 
> > > > > > > > > a movement meditation hall in downtown Fairfield is that they 
> > > > > > > > > sought to not accommodate meditators who would come to 
> > > > > > > > > meditate. [Need a Course Office TMSP Badge exclusively to 
> > > > > > > > > meditate there] They [the strict preservationists] seem 
> > > > > > > > > determinedly out of touch with the meditating community as it 
> > > > > > > > > is.
> > > > > > > > > -Buck 
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >  - the Dome experience with Jack Bodger constantly cracking 
> > > > > > > > > his knuckles, people whoopin' and hollerin', many sleeping, 
> > > > > > > > > many just sitting there and watching the flying (so-called 
> > > > > > > > > flying) was a circus more than anything else. 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > The one thing I did enjoy was the time Big Bopper Bevan 
> > > > > > > > > > stood up before the beginning of program to announce in an 
> > > > > > > > > > obviously peevish voice that coming over to him while he 
> > > > > > > > > > was "resting" after the flying to ask him questions was 
> > > > > > > > > > ABSOLUTELY NOT legitimate.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Oh and by the way Buck there ain't no meditation groups in 
> > > > > > > > > > these parts. Everyone is too busy out trying to catch a 
> > > > > > > > > > photo of the space bros making crop circles, but so far no 
> > > > > > > > > > luck.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > >  From: Buck 
> > > > > > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 8:05 AM
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
> > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > >   
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > "Group meditation is a castle that protects the new 
> > > > > > > > > > spiritual aspirants as well as the veteran meditators. 
> > > > > > > > > > Meditating together increases the degree of 
> > > > > > > > > > Self-realization of each member of the grou

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[sparaig]

e at home.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > �Paramahansa Yogananda
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >�
> > > > > > > > > Oh and by the way Buck there ain't no meditation groups in 
> > > > > > > > > these >parts. 
> > > > > > > > >Everyone is too busy out trying to catch a photo of the 
> > > > > > > > > space bros making crop circles, but so far no luck.
> > > > > > > > >� 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Well sadly, it is about proper values.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Conservative meditator that I am, I should have these lost people 
> > > > > > > at reading the discourses of Brahmananda Saraswati.   Really MJ, 
> > > > > > > these people's time should be so much better spent if only just 
> > > > > > > sitting reading the discourses of Brahmananda Saraswati. Studying 
> > > > > > > at:  http://lbshriver.wordpress.com/guru-dev-lectures/ 
> > > > > > > Jai Guru Dev [SBS], 
> > > > > > > -Buck 
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Great quote on group meditation, "the invisible vibratory 
> > > > > > > > > exchange of group magnetism".  Yes certainly, the 
> > > > > > > > > spirituality of the Meissner Effect [ME] of meditation in 
> > > > > > > > > group meditation practice.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "Group meditation is a castle that protects the new 
> > > > > > > > > > spiritual aspirants as
> > > > > > > > > well as the veteran meditators. Meditating together increases 
> > > > > > > > > the degree of
> > > > > > > > > Self-realization of each member of the group by the law of 
> > > > > > > > > invisible vibratory
> > > > > > > > > exchange of group magnetism."
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ��"Paramahansa Yogananda in Seeking God Together
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
> > > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I have to admit that I did always find meditating in 
> > > > > > > > > > > group more fulfilling somehow than singular meditation. 
> > > > > > > > > > > Now that is meditation mind you, not TMSP
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Just meditating.  That is a fair observation.  I interview 
> > > > > > > > > > folks in the larger TM meditating community here all the 
> > > > > > > > > > time and also when I travel and i commonly find your sense 
> > > > > > > > > > about meditating v TMSP.  Most people here will say they 
> > > > > > > > > > are meditators [TM] but don't do the TMSP when you ask 
> > > > > > > > > > about their spiritual practice.  An irony in the recent 
> > > > > > > > > > opening of a movement meditation hall in downtown Fairfield 
> > > > > > > > > > is that they sought to not accommodate meditators who would 
> > > > > > > > > > come to meditate. [Need a Course Office TMSP Badge 
> > > > > > > > > > exclusively to meditate there] They [the strict 
> > > > > > > > > > preservationists] seem determinedly out of touch with the 
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Buck]

e these lost people 
> > > > > > at reading the discourses of Brahmananda Saraswati.   Really MJ, 
> > > > > > these people's time should be so much better spent if only just 
> > > > > > sitting reading the discourses of Brahmananda Saraswati. Studying 
> > > > > > at:  http://lbshriver.wordpress.com/guru-dev-lectures/ 
> > > > > > Jai Guru Dev [SBS], 
> > > > > > -Buck 
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Great quote on group meditation, "the invisible vibratory 
> > > > > > > > exchange of group magnetism".  Yes certainly, the spirituality 
> > > > > > > > of the Meissner Effect [ME] of meditation in group meditation 
> > > > > > > > practice.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Group meditation is a castle that protects the new spiritual 
> > > > > > > > > aspirants as
> > > > > > > > well as the veteran meditators. Meditating together increases 
> > > > > > > > the degree of
> > > > > > > > Self-realization of each member of the group by the law of 
> > > > > > > > invisible vibratory
> > > > > > > > exchange of group magnetism."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ��"Paramahansa Yogananda in Seeking God Together
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
> > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I have to admit that I did always find meditating in group 
> > > > > > > > > > more fulfilling somehow than singular meditation. Now that 
> > > > > > > > > > is meditation mind you, not TMSP
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Just meditating.  That is a fair observation.  I interview 
> > > > > > > > > folks in the larger TM meditating community here all the time 
> > > > > > > > > and also when I travel and i commonly find your sense about 
> > > > > > > > > meditating v TMSP.  Most people here will say they are 
> > > > > > > > > meditators [TM] but don't do the TMSP when you ask about 
> > > > > > > > > their spiritual practice.  An irony in the recent opening of 
> > > > > > > > > a movement meditation hall in downtown Fairfield is that they 
> > > > > > > > > sought to not accommodate meditators who would come to 
> > > > > > > > > meditate. [Need a Course Office TMSP Badge exclusively to 
> > > > > > > > > meditate there] They [the strict preservationists] seem 
> > > > > > > > > determinedly out of touch with the meditating community as it 
> > > > > > > > > is.
> > > > > > > > > -Buck 
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >  - the Dome experience with Jack Bodger constantly cracking 
> > > > > > > > > his knuckles, people whoopin' and hollerin', many sleeping, 
> > > > > > > > > many just sitting there and watching the flying (so-called 
> > > > > > > > > flying) was a circus more than anything else. 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > The one thing I did enjoy was the time Big Bopper Bevan 
> > > > > > > > > > stood up before the beginning of program to announce in an 
> > > > > > > > > > obviously peevish voice that coming over to him while he 
> > > > > > > > > > was "resting" after the flying to ask him questions was 
> > > > > > > > > > ABSOLUTELY NOT l

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
>
> For what it is worth, the long-term EEG of TMers tends to be different than 
> that found in people practicing concentrative (generic mantra meditation, 
> such as the RR, compassion meditation, etc) or mindfulness practices. As 
> well, these two practices tend to suppress the parts of the brain thought to 
> be associated with sense of self, so on these measures, at least, TM and most 
> other forms of meditation have opposite effects.
> 
> Perhaps on some more fundamental level, all meditation practices lead to the 
> same "place," and group meditation involving more than one school of 
> meditation will indeed be beneficial for all concerned, but based on the 
> theory that group meditation leads to synergy between practitioners, the 
> current physiological evidence suggests that TMers and practitioners of other 
> types of meditation aren't really going to reinforce any known aspect of 
> their respective practices by getting together and practicing in groups.

Yet another reason to keep the access to the Domes strictly limited to people 
we know are doing TM. The valid points you bring forward are only scratching 
the surface, further research will show the dramatic uniqueness of 
Transcendental Meditation compared to other techniques.
And who knows, on day even Buck will understand the need for the strictess 
possible rules of access to the Domes :-)   

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[sparaig]

> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ��"Paramahansa Yogananda in Seeking God Together
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
> > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I have to admit that I did always find meditating in group 
> > > > > > > > > more fulfilling somehow than singular meditation. Now that is 
> > > > > > > > > meditation mind you, not TMSP
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Just meditating.  That is a fair observation.  I interview 
> > > > > > > > folks in the larger TM meditating community here all the time 
> > > > > > > > and also when I travel and i commonly find your sense about 
> > > > > > > > meditating v TMSP.  Most people here will say they are 
> > > > > > > > meditators [TM] but don't do the TMSP when you ask about their 
> > > > > > > > spiritual practice.  An irony in the recent opening of a 
> > > > > > > > movement meditation hall in downtown Fairfield is that they 
> > > > > > > > sought to not accommodate meditators who would come to 
> > > > > > > > meditate. [Need a Course Office TMSP Badge exclusively to 
> > > > > > > > meditate there] They [the strict preservationists] seem 
> > > > > > > > determinedly out of touch with the meditating community as it 
> > > > > > > > is.
> > > > > > > > -Buck 
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >  - the Dome experience with Jack Bodger constantly cracking his 
> > > > > > > > knuckles, people whoopin' and hollerin', many sleeping, many 
> > > > > > > > just sitting there and watching the flying (so-called flying) 
> > > > > > > > was a circus more than anything else. 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > The one thing I did enjoy was the time Big Bopper Bevan stood 
> > > > > > > > > up before the beginning of program to announce in an 
> > > > > > > > > obviously peevish voice that coming over to him while he was 
> > > > > > > > > "resting" after the flying to ask him questions was 
> > > > > > > > > ABSOLUTELY NOT legitimate.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Oh and by the way Buck there ain't no meditation groups in 
> > > > > > > > > these parts. Everyone is too busy out trying to catch a photo 
> > > > > > > > > of the space bros making crop circles, but so far no luck.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >  From: Buck 
> > > > > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 8:05 AM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >   
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > "Group meditation is a castle that protects the new spiritual 
> > > > > > > > > aspirants as well as the veteran meditators. Meditating 
> > > > > > > > > together increases the degree of Self-realization of each 
> > > > > > > > > member of the group by the law of invisible vibratory 
> > > > > > > > > exchange of group magnetism."
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > ��"Paramahansa Yogananda in Seeking God Together
> > 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Buck]

ow than singular meditation. Now that is 
> > > > > > > > > meditation mind you, not TMSP
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Just meditating.  That is a fair observation.  I interview 
> > > > > > > > folks in the larger TM meditating community here all the time 
> > > > > > > > and also when I travel and i commonly find your sense about 
> > > > > > > > meditating v TMSP.  Most people here will say they are 
> > > > > > > > meditators [TM] but don't do the TMSP when you ask about their 
> > > > > > > > spiritual practice.  An irony in the recent opening of a 
> > > > > > > > movement meditation hall in downtown Fairfield is that they 
> > > > > > > > sought to not accommodate meditators who would come to 
> > > > > > > > meditate. [Need a Course Office TMSP Badge exclusively to 
> > > > > > > > meditate there] They [the strict preservationists] seem 
> > > > > > > > determinedly out of touch with the meditating community as it 
> > > > > > > > is.
> > > > > > > > -Buck 
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >  - the Dome experience with Jack Bodger constantly cracking his 
> > > > > > > > knuckles, people whoopin' and hollerin', many sleeping, many 
> > > > > > > > just sitting there and watching the flying (so-called flying) 
> > > > > > > > was a circus more than anything else. 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > The one thing I did enjoy was the time Big Bopper Bevan stood 
> > > > > > > > > up before the beginning of program to announce in an 
> > > > > > > > > obviously peevish voice that coming over to him while he was 
> > > > > > > > > "resting" after the flying to ask him questions was 
> > > > > > > > > ABSOLUTELY NOT legitimate.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Oh and by the way Buck there ain't no meditation groups in 
> > > > > > > > > these parts. Everyone is too busy out trying to catch a photo 
> > > > > > > > > of the space bros making crop circles, but so far no luck.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >  From: Buck 
> > > > > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 8:05 AM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >   
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > "Group meditation is a castle that protects the new spiritual 
> > > > > > > > > aspirants as well as the veteran meditators. Meditating 
> > > > > > > > > together increases the degree of Self-realization of each 
> > > > > > > > > member of the group by the law of invisible vibratory 
> > > > > > > > > exchange of group magnetism."
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > â€"Paramahansa Yogananda in Seeking God Together
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
> > > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Are you leaning in that direction yourself, Buck since 
> > > > > > > > > > > you are realizing that Bevvie and Company are not going 
> > > > > > > > > > > to let go the reins of power until the Black Camel kneels 
> > > > > > > > > > &g

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Buck]

f a movement meditation hall in 
> > > > > > > downtown Fairfield is that they sought to not accommodate 
> > > > > > > meditators who would come to meditate. [Need a Course Office TMSP 
> > > > > > > Badge exclusively to meditate there] They [the strict 
> > > > > > > preservationists] seem determinedly out of touch with the 
> > > > > > > meditating community as it is.
> > > > > > > -Buck 
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >  - the Dome experience with Jack Bodger constantly cracking his 
> > > > > > > knuckles, people whoopin' and hollerin', many sleeping, many just 
> > > > > > > sitting there and watching the flying (so-called flying) was a 
> > > > > > > circus more than anything else. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > The one thing I did enjoy was the time Big Bopper Bevan stood 
> > > > > > > > up before the beginning of program to announce in an obviously 
> > > > > > > > peevish voice that coming over to him while he was "resting" 
> > > > > > > > after the flying to ask him questions was ABSOLUTELY NOT 
> > > > > > > > legitimate.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Oh and by the way Buck there ain't no meditation groups in 
> > > > > > > > these parts. Everyone is too busy out trying to catch a photo 
> > > > > > > > of the space bros making crop circles, but so far no luck.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >  From: Buck 
> > > > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 8:05 AM
> > > > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >   
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > "Group meditation is a castle that protects the new spiritual 
> > > > > > > > aspirants as well as the veteran meditators. Meditating 
> > > > > > > > together increases the degree of Self-realization of each 
> > > > > > > > member of the group by the law of invisible vibratory exchange 
> > > > > > > > of group magnetism."
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > â€"Paramahansa Yogananda in Seeking God Together
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
> > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Are you leaning in that direction yourself, Buck since you 
> > > > > > > > > > are realizing that Bevvie and Company are not going to let 
> > > > > > > > > > go the reins of power until the Black Camel kneels outside 
> > > > > > > > > > their tent?
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > MJ, good question.  Like many meditators I am a practitioner 
> > > > > > > > > and not necessarily a devotee.  In groups meditators commonly 
> > > > > > > > > go where the field effect of shakti is of the greatest 
> > > > > > > > > benefit. [natural tendency].  Like most I look to the TM 
> > > > > > > > > movement just to facilitate my meditation and to providing a 
> > > > > > > > > group meditation.  Nothing more.  Evidently I am much more in 
> > > > > > > > > line with Brahmananda Saraswati [Guru Dev] than most any of 
> > > > > > > > > the TM movement now on this. 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > All wishing for the Maharishi

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Buck]

Generally
in Eastern or Western mysticism, 
 
"Standardization is defined as best technical application consentual wisdom 
inclusive of processes for selection in making appropriate choices for 
ratification coupled with consistent decisions for maintaining obtained 
standards. This view includes the case of "spontaneous standardization 
processes", to produce de facto standards." 

The East seems to have the standards down by experience.
-Buck

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks - Glad it rang true for you, Ravi.
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:43 PM, doctordumbass@ <
> > > > no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > **
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It is interesting how, when Yogananda said this, probably in the 
> > > > > 1920's or
> > > > > 30's, it was a big deal in the West to recognize such a thing, 'the 
> > > > > silent
> > > > > magnetic vibration that emanates from them'. All sorts of psychic 
> > > > > stuff,
> > > > > and 'mystery from the East' was starting to break loose. Nowadays, and
> > > > > since the 1970's, everybody in the West recognizes 'vibes'. As far as 
> > > > > group
> > > > > meditation goes, it does work in providing a stronger experience for 
> > > > > the
> > > > > participants.
> > > > >
> > > > > As if the teachers from the East became necessary, once the West 
> > > > > began its
> > > > > headlong rush into technology. Grow a fuller human being, first, 
> > > > > before
> > > > > speeding up time and its consequences, beyond anyone's ability to 
> > > > > calculate
> > > > > a result.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now their time, "The Gurus", as a social force, appears to be over, 
> > > > > and it
> > > > > is up to each of us, to make our choices. Bon Voyage!
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > ​Really well stated Jim - loved it !!!
> > > > ​
> > > > 
> > > >
> > 
> > Dear Doctor;  Om no, there is still room for spiritual revolution.  Every 
> > 10 or 15 years another articulate transcendentalist will come along.   
> > Mysticism always provides the commentary on materialism.  Extreme 
> > materialism deserves extreme criticism and by nature will bring along 
> > greater teachers of mysticism.   Eastern mysticism is so much more 
> > standardized, studied and disciplined in this area that it becomes a 
> > standard by a default compared to the Western mind confused by Maya.  We'll 
> > continue to see our Western mystic lecturers influenced by the East, like 
> > an Emerson was or the more recent giant and modern luminary, Dr. D.R. 
> > Hawkins, and even your own writings here.  Seems always room for teachers 
> > who point the way out for the ignorant.  
> > -Buck
> >
>  
> Dear Buck, Om, I agree. For society to even function there has to be 
> knowledge of Silence, somewhere. But there is no longer the singular focus in 
> the West, on teachers from the East. It was a wave that lasted about twenty 
> five years, in which specific teachers became very popular in this culture. 
> 
> Nowadays, such teachers may still be around, and they will attract their 
> adherents, but the social momentum, in general, is far more diverse. Much of 
> Eastern consciousness has already been integrated into the West. We have gone 
> from a few central figures, to a broad array of sustainable choices. The 
> knowledge that emerged from just a few minds, mouths, and hands, is soaking 
> in.:-) 
> 
> -Jai Guru Dev- 
>  
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We become like the people we mingle with, not only through their
> > > > > conversation, but through the silent magnetic vibration that emanates 
> > > > > from
> > > > > them. When we come into the range of their magnetism we are affected.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > â€"Paramahansa Yogananda
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > >  
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Buck]

Doctor, I do agree with thee.  In cultural trend this may be so though some 
Eastern saints and spiritual teachers will carry a certain currency of 
authority of life invested in spirituality that Western religious people may 
still only strive to have.  But either way also by human nature the need for 
broad collective action looms large now in reaction.  

>
> Generally
> in Eastern or Western mysticism, 
>  
> "Standardization is defined as best technical application consentual wisdom 
> inclusive of processes for selection in making appropriate choices for 
> ratification coupled with consistent decisions for maintaining obtained 
> standards. This view includes the case of "spontaneous standardization 
> processes", to produce de facto standards." 
> 
> The East seems to have the standards down by experience.
> -Buck
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks - Glad it rang true for you, Ravi.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:43 PM, doctordumbass@ <
> > > > > no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > **
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is interesting how, when Yogananda said this, probably in the 
> > > > > > 1920's or
> > > > > > 30's, it was a big deal in the West to recognize such a thing, 'the 
> > > > > > silent
> > > > > > magnetic vibration that emanates from them'. All sorts of psychic 
> > > > > > stuff,
> > > > > > and 'mystery from the East' was starting to break loose. Nowadays, 
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > since the 1970's, everybody in the West recognizes 'vibes'. As far 
> > > > > > as group
> > > > > > meditation goes, it does work in providing a stronger experience 
> > > > > > for the
> > > > > > participants.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As if the teachers from the East became necessary, once the West 
> > > > > > began its
> > > > > > headlong rush into technology. Grow a fuller human being, first, 
> > > > > > before
> > > > > > speeding up time and its consequences, beyond anyone's ability to 
> > > > > > calculate
> > > > > > a result.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now their time, "The Gurus", as a social force, appears to be over, 
> > > > > > and it
> > > > > > is up to each of us, to make our choices. Bon Voyage!
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > ​Really well stated Jim - loved it !!!
> > > > > ​
> > > > > 
> > > > >
> > > 
> > > Dear Doctor;  Om no, there is still room for spiritual revolution.  Every 
> > > 10 or 15 years another articulate transcendentalist will come along.   
> > > Mysticism always provides the commentary on materialism.  Extreme 
> > > materialism deserves extreme criticism and by nature will bring along 
> > > greater teachers of mysticism.   Eastern mysticism is so much more 
> > > standardized, studied and disciplined in this area that it becomes a 
> > > standard by a default compared to the Western mind confused by Maya.  
> > > We'll continue to see our Western mystic lecturers influenced by the 
> > > East, like an Emerson was or the more recent giant and modern luminary, 
> > > Dr. D.R. Hawkins, and even your own writings here.  Seems always room for 
> > > teachers who point the way out for the ignorant.  
> > > -Buck
> > >
> >  
> > Dear Buck, Om, I agree. For society to even function there has to be 
> > knowledge of Silence, somewhere. But there is no longer the singular focus 
> > in the West, on teachers from the East. It was a wave that lasted about 
> > twenty five years, in which specific teachers became very popular in this 
> > culture. 
> > 
> > Nowadays, such teachers may still be around, and they will attract their 
> > adherents, but the social momentum, in general, is far more diverse. Much 
> > of Eastern consciousness has already been integrated into the West. We have 
> > gone from a few central figures, to a broad array of sustainable choices. 
> > The knowledge that emerged from just a few minds, mouths, and hands, is 
> > soaking in.:-) 
> > 
> > -Jai Guru Dev- 
> >  
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We become like the people we mingle with, not only through their
> > > > > > conversation, but through the silent magnetic vibration that 
> > > > > > emanates from
> > > > > > them. When we come into the range of their magnetism we are 
> > > > > > affected.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > â€"Paramahansa Yogananda
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[doctordumbass]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > Thanks - Glad it rang true for you, Ravi.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:43 PM, doctordumbass@ <
> > > no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It is interesting how, when Yogananda said this, probably in the 1920's 
> > > > or
> > > > 30's, it was a big deal in the West to recognize such a thing, 'the 
> > > > silent
> > > > magnetic vibration that emanates from them'. All sorts of psychic stuff,
> > > > and 'mystery from the East' was starting to break loose. Nowadays, and
> > > > since the 1970's, everybody in the West recognizes 'vibes'. As far as 
> > > > group
> > > > meditation goes, it does work in providing a stronger experience for the
> > > > participants.
> > > >
> > > > As if the teachers from the East became necessary, once the West began 
> > > > its
> > > > headlong rush into technology. Grow a fuller human being, first, before
> > > > speeding up time and its consequences, beyond anyone's ability to 
> > > > calculate
> > > > a result.
> > > >
> > > > Now their time, "The Gurus", as a social force, appears to be over, and 
> > > > it
> > > > is up to each of us, to make our choices. Bon Voyage!
> > > >
> > > 
> > > ​Really well stated Jim - loved it !!!
> > > ​
> > > 
> > >
> 
> Dear Doctor;  Om no, there is still room for spiritual revolution.  Every 10 
> or 15 years another articulate transcendentalist will come along.   Mysticism 
> always provides the commentary on materialism.  Extreme materialism deserves 
> extreme criticism and by nature will bring along greater teachers of 
> mysticism.   Eastern mysticism is so much more standardized, studied and 
> disciplined in this area that it becomes a standard by a default compared to 
> the Western mind confused by Maya.  We'll continue to see our Western mystic 
> lecturers influenced by the East, like an Emerson was or the more recent 
> giant and modern luminary, Dr. D.R. Hawkins, and even your own writings here. 
>  Seems always room for teachers who point the way out for the ignorant.  
> -Buck
>
 
Dear Buck, Om, I agree. For society to even function there has to be knowledge 
of Silence, somewhere. But there is no longer the singular focus in the West, 
on teachers from the East. It was a wave that lasted about twenty five years, 
in which specific teachers became very popular in this culture. 

Nowadays, such teachers may still be around, and they will attract their 
adherents, but the social momentum, in general, is far more diverse. Much of 
Eastern consciousness has already been integrated into the West. We have gone 
from a few central figures, to a broad array of sustainable choices. The 
knowledge that emerged from just a few minds, mouths, and hands, is soaking 
in.:-) 

-Jai Guru Dev- 
 
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > We become like the people we mingle with, not only through their
> > > > conversation, but through the silent magnetic vibration that emanates 
> > > > from
> > > > them. When we come into the range of their magnetism we are affected.
> > > > >
> > > > > â€"Paramahansa Yogananda
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> Thanks - Glad it rang true for you, Ravi.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:43 PM, doctordumbass@ <
> > no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > It is interesting how, when Yogananda said this, probably in the 1920's or
> > > 30's, it was a big deal in the West to recognize such a thing, 'the silent
> > > magnetic vibration that emanates from them'. All sorts of psychic stuff,
> > > and 'mystery from the East' was starting to break loose. Nowadays, and
> > > since the 1970's, everybody in the West recognizes 'vibes'. As far as 
> > > group
> > > meditation goes, it does work in providing a stronger experience for the
> > > participants.
> > >
> > > As if the teachers from the East became necessary, once the West began its
> > > headlong rush into technology. Grow a fuller human being, first, before
> > > speeding up time and its consequences, beyond anyone's ability to 
> > > calculate
> > > a result.
> > >
> > > Now their time, "The Gurus", as a social force, appears to be over, and it
> > > is up to each of us, to make our choices. Bon Voyage!
> > >
> > 
> > ​Really well stated Jim - loved it !!!
> > ​
> > 
> >

Dear Doctor;  Om no, there is still room for spiritual revolution.  Every 10 or 
15 years another articulate transcendentalist will come along.   Mysticism 
always provides the commentary on materialism.  Extreme materialism deserves 
extreme criticism and by nature will bring along greater teachers of mysticism. 
  Eastern mysticism is so much more standardized, studied and disciplined in 
this area that it becomes a standard by a default compared to the Western mind 
confused by Maya.  We'll continue to see our Western mystic lecturers 
influenced by the East, like an Emerson was or the more recent giant and modern 
luminary, Dr. D.R. Hawkins, and even your own writings here.  Seems always room 
for teachers who point the way out for the ignorant.  
-Buck

 
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > We become like the people we mingle with, not only through their
> > > conversation, but through the silent magnetic vibration that emanates from
> > > them. When we come into the range of their magnetism we are affected.
> > > >
> > > > â€"Paramahansa Yogananda
> > > >
> > > 
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[doctordumbass]

Thanks - Glad it rang true for you, Ravi.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:43 PM, doctordumbass@... <
> no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > It is interesting how, when Yogananda said this, probably in the 1920's or
> > 30's, it was a big deal in the West to recognize such a thing, 'the silent
> > magnetic vibration that emanates from them'. All sorts of psychic stuff,
> > and 'mystery from the East' was starting to break loose. Nowadays, and
> > since the 1970's, everybody in the West recognizes 'vibes'. As far as group
> > meditation goes, it does work in providing a stronger experience for the
> > participants.
> >
> > As if the teachers from the East became necessary, once the West began its
> > headlong rush into technology. Grow a fuller human being, first, before
> > speeding up time and its consequences, beyond anyone's ability to calculate
> > a result.
> >
> > Now their time, "The Gurus", as a social force, appears to be over, and it
> > is up to each of us, to make our choices. Bon Voyage!
> >
> 
> ​Really well stated Jim - loved it !!!
> ​
> 
> 
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > We become like the people we mingle with, not only through their
> > conversation, but through the silent magnetic vibration that emanates from
> > them. When we come into the range of their magnetism we are affected.
> > >
> > > â€"Paramahansa Yogananda
> > >
> > 
> >
> >  
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Ravi Chivukula]

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:43 PM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com <
no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

> **
>
>
> It is interesting how, when Yogananda said this, probably in the 1920's or
> 30's, it was a big deal in the West to recognize such a thing, 'the silent
> magnetic vibration that emanates from them'. All sorts of psychic stuff,
> and 'mystery from the East' was starting to break loose. Nowadays, and
> since the 1970's, everybody in the West recognizes 'vibes'. As far as group
> meditation goes, it does work in providing a stronger experience for the
> participants.
>
> As if the teachers from the East became necessary, once the West began its
> headlong rush into technology. Grow a fuller human being, first, before
> speeding up time and its consequences, beyond anyone's ability to calculate
> a result.
>
> Now their time, "The Gurus", as a social force, appears to be over, and it
> is up to each of us, to make our choices. Bon Voyage!
>

​Really well stated Jim - loved it !!!
​


>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> >
> > We become like the people we mingle with, not only through their
> conversation, but through the silent magnetic vibration that emanates from
> them. When we come into the range of their magnetism we are affected.
> >
> > —Paramahansa Yogananda
> >
> 
>
>  
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[doctordumbass]

It is interesting how, when Yogananda said this, probably in the 1920's or 
30's, it was a big deal in the West to recognize such a thing, 'the silent 
magnetic vibration that emanates from them'. All sorts of psychic stuff, and 
'mystery from the East' was starting to break loose. Nowadays, and since the 
1970's, everybody in the West recognizes 'vibes'. As far as group meditation 
goes, it does work in providing a stronger experience for the participants. 

As if the teachers from the East became necessary, once the West began its 
headlong rush into technology. Grow a fuller human being, first, before 
speeding up time and its consequences, beyond anyone's ability to calculate a 
result. 

Now their time, "The Gurus", as a social force, appears to be over, and it is 
up to each of us, to make our choices. Bon Voyage!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> We become like the people we mingle with, not only through their 
> conversation, but through the silent magnetic vibration that emanates from 
> them. When we come into the range of their magnetism we are affected.
> 
> —Paramahansa Yogananda
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Buck]

We become like the people we mingle with, not only through their conversation, 
but through the silent magnetic vibration that emanates from them. When we come 
into the range of their magnetism we are affected.

—Paramahansa Yogananda

> 
> MJ, I would bet there are old style silent [what they call un-programmed] 
> Quaker meetings to sit with near you in the South.  They are group meditation 
> founded by the law of invisible vibratory exchange of group magnetism as we 
> would recognize now to be the spiritual Meissner Effect [ME] of meditating in 
> groups.  
> 
> > 
> > Group meetings to practice the techniques of meditation are vitally 
> > important. Group meetings strengthen the individual Self-realization that 
> > one has acquired in private at home.
> > 
> > —Paramahansa Yogananda
> >  
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > Oh and by the way Buck there ain't no meditation groups in these 
> > > > > >parts. 
> > > > >Everyone is too busy out trying to catch a photo of the 
> > > > > space bros making crop circles, but so far no luck.
> > > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > Well sadly, it is about proper values.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Conservative meditator that I am, I should have these lost people at 
> > > reading the discourses of Brahmananda Saraswati.   Really MJ, these 
> > > people's time should be so much better spent if only just sitting reading 
> > > the discourses of Brahmananda Saraswati. Studying at:  
> > > http://lbshriver.wordpress.com/guru-dev-lectures/ 
> > > Jai Guru Dev [SBS], 
> > > -Buck 
> > >  
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Great quote on group meditation, "the invisible vibratory exchange of 
> > > > > group magnetism".  Yes certainly, the spirituality of the Meissner 
> > > > > Effect [ME] of meditation in group meditation practice.
> > > > > 
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Group meditation is a castle that protects the new spiritual 
> > > > > > aspirants as
> > > > > well as the veteran meditators. Meditating together increases the 
> > > > > degree of
> > > > > Self-realization of each member of the group by the law of invisible 
> > > > > vibratory
> > > > > exchange of group magnetism."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > â€"Paramahansa Yogananda in Seeking God Together
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have to admit that I did always find meditating in group more 
> > > > > > > fulfilling somehow than singular meditation. Now that is 
> > > > > > > meditation mind you, not TMSP
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Just meditating.  That is a fair observation.  I interview folks in 
> > > > > > the larger TM meditating community here all the time and also when 
> > > > > > I travel and i commonly find your sense about meditating v TMSP.  
> > > > > > Most people here will say they are meditators [TM] but don't do the 
> > > > > > TMSP when you ask about their spiritual practice.  An irony in the 
> > > > > > recent opening of a movement meditation hall in downtown Fairfield 
> > > > > > is that they sought to not accommodate meditators who would come to 
> > > > > > meditate. [Need a Course Office TMSP Badge exclusively to meditate 
> > > > > > there] They [the strict preservationists] seem determinedly out of 
> > > > > > touch with the meditating community as it is.
> > > > > > -Buck 
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >  - the Dome experience with Jack Bodger constantly cracking his 
> > > > > > knuckles, people whoopin' and hollerin', many sleeping, many just 
> > > > > > sitting there and watching the flying (so-called flying) was a 
> > > > > > circus more than anything else. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Buck]

MJ, I would bet there are old style silent [what they call un-programmed] 
Quaker meetings to sit with near you in the South.  They are group meditation 
founded by the law of invisible vibratory exchange of group magnetism as we 
would recognize now to be the spiritual Meissner Effect [ME] of meditating in 
groups.  

> 
> Group meetings to practice the techniques of meditation are vitally 
> important. Group meetings strengthen the individual Self-realization that one 
> has acquired in private at home.
> 
> —Paramahansa Yogananda
>  
> > 
> > >
> > > > 
> > > > Oh and by the way Buck there ain't no meditation groups in these 
> > > > >parts. 
> > > >Everyone is too busy out trying to catch a photo of the 
> > > > space bros making crop circles, but so far no luck.
> > > >  
> > > 
> > > Well sadly, it is about proper values.
> > >
> > 
> > Conservative meditator that I am, I should have these lost people at 
> > reading the discourses of Brahmananda Saraswati.   Really MJ, these 
> > people's time should be so much better spent if only just sitting reading 
> > the discourses of Brahmananda Saraswati. Studying at:  
> > http://lbshriver.wordpress.com/guru-dev-lectures/ 
> > Jai Guru Dev [SBS], 
> > -Buck 
> >  
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Great quote on group meditation, "the invisible vibratory exchange of 
> > > > group magnetism".  Yes certainly, the spirituality of the Meissner 
> > > > Effect [ME] of meditation in group meditation practice.
> > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > > "Group meditation is a castle that protects the new spiritual 
> > > > > aspirants as
> > > > well as the veteran meditators. Meditating together increases the 
> > > > degree of
> > > > Self-realization of each member of the group by the law of invisible 
> > > > vibratory
> > > > exchange of group magnetism."
> > > > >
> > > > > â€"Paramahansa Yogananda in Seeking God Together
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have to admit that I did always find meditating in group more 
> > > > > > fulfilling somehow than singular meditation. Now that is meditation 
> > > > > > mind you, not TMSP
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > Just meditating.  That is a fair observation.  I interview folks in 
> > > > > the larger TM meditating community here all the time and also when I 
> > > > > travel and i commonly find your sense about meditating v TMSP.  Most 
> > > > > people here will say they are meditators [TM] but don't do the TMSP 
> > > > > when you ask about their spiritual practice.  An irony in the recent 
> > > > > opening of a movement meditation hall in downtown Fairfield is that 
> > > > > they sought to not accommodate meditators who would come to meditate. 
> > > > > [Need a Course Office TMSP Badge exclusively to meditate there] They 
> > > > > [the strict preservationists] seem determinedly out of touch with the 
> > > > > meditating community as it is.
> > > > > -Buck 
> > > > >  
> > > > > 
> > > > >  - the Dome experience with Jack Bodger constantly cracking his 
> > > > > knuckles, people whoopin' and hollerin', many sleeping, many just 
> > > > > sitting there and watching the flying (so-called flying) was a circus 
> > > > > more than anything else. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The one thing I did enjoy was the time Big Bopper Bevan stood up 
> > > > > > before the beginning of program to announce in an obviously peevish 
> > > > > > voice that coming over to him while he was "resting" after the 
> > > > > > flying to ask him questions was ABSOLUTELY NOT legitimate.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Oh and by the way Buck there ain't no meditation groups in these 
> > > > > > parts. Everyone is too busy out trying to catch a photo of the 
> > > > > > space bros making crop ci

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Buck]

Group meetings to practice the techniques of meditation are vitally important. 
Group meetings strengthen the individual Self-realization that one has acquired 
in private at home.

—Paramahansa Yogananda
 
> 
> >
> > > 
> > > Oh and by the way Buck there ain't no meditation groups in these >parts. 
> > >Everyone is too busy out trying to catch a photo of the 
> > > space bros making crop circles, but so far no luck.
> > >  
> > 
> > Well sadly, it is about proper values.
> >
> 
> Conservative meditator that I am, I should have these lost people at reading 
> the discourses of Brahmananda Saraswati.   Really MJ, these people's time 
> should be so much better spent if only just sitting reading the discourses of 
> Brahmananda Saraswati. Studying at:  
> http://lbshriver.wordpress.com/guru-dev-lectures/ 
> Jai Guru Dev [SBS], 
> -Buck 
>  
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Great quote on group meditation, "the invisible vibratory exchange of 
> > > group magnetism".  Yes certainly, the spirituality of the Meissner Effect 
> > > [ME] of meditation in group meditation practice.
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > "Group meditation is a castle that protects the new spiritual aspirants 
> > > > as
> > > well as the veteran meditators. Meditating together increases the degree 
> > > of
> > > Self-realization of each member of the group by the law of invisible 
> > > vibratory
> > > exchange of group magnetism."
> > > >
> > > > â€"Paramahansa Yogananda in Seeking God Together
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have to admit that I did always find meditating in group more 
> > > > > fulfilling somehow than singular meditation. Now that is meditation 
> > > > > mind you, not TMSP
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > Just meditating.  That is a fair observation.  I interview folks in the 
> > > > larger TM meditating community here all the time and also when I travel 
> > > > and i commonly find your sense about meditating v TMSP.  Most people 
> > > > here will say they are meditators [TM] but don't do the TMSP when you 
> > > > ask about their spiritual practice.  An irony in the recent opening of 
> > > > a movement meditation hall in downtown Fairfield is that they sought to 
> > > > not accommodate meditators who would come to meditate. [Need a Course 
> > > > Office TMSP Badge exclusively to meditate there] They [the strict 
> > > > preservationists] seem determinedly out of touch with the meditating 
> > > > community as it is.
> > > > -Buck 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > >  - the Dome experience with Jack Bodger constantly cracking his 
> > > > knuckles, people whoopin' and hollerin', many sleeping, many just 
> > > > sitting there and watching the flying (so-called flying) was a circus 
> > > > more than anything else. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > The one thing I did enjoy was the time Big Bopper Bevan stood up 
> > > > > before the beginning of program to announce in an obviously peevish 
> > > > > voice that coming over to him while he was "resting" after the flying 
> > > > > to ask him questions was ABSOLUTELY NOT legitimate.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Oh and by the way Buck there ain't no meditation groups in these 
> > > > > parts. Everyone is too busy out trying to catch a photo of the space 
> > > > > bros making crop circles, but so far no luck.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >  From: Buck 
> > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 8:05 AM
> > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
> > > > >  
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >   
> > > > > 
> > > > > "Group meditation is a castle that protects the new spiritual 
> > > > > aspirants as well as the veteran meditators. Meditating toge

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Buck]

>
> > 
> > Oh and by the way Buck there ain't no meditation groups in these >parts. 
> >Everyone is too busy out trying to catch a photo of the 
> > space bros making crop circles, but so far no luck.
> >  
> 
> Well sadly, it is about proper values.
>

Conservative meditator that I am, I should have these lost people at reading 
the discourses of Brahmananda Saraswati.   Really MJ, these people's time 
should be so much better spent if only just sitting reading the discourses of 
Brahmananda Saraswati. Studying at:  
http://lbshriver.wordpress.com/guru-dev-lectures/ 
Jai Guru Dev [SBS], 
-Buck 
 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > Great quote on group meditation, "the invisible vibratory exchange of group 
> > magnetism".  Yes certainly, the spirituality of the Meissner Effect [ME] of 
> > meditation in group meditation practice.
> > 
> > >
> > > "Group meditation is a castle that protects the new spiritual aspirants as
> > well as the veteran meditators. Meditating together increases the degree of
> > Self-realization of each member of the group by the law of invisible 
> > vibratory
> > exchange of group magnetism."
> > >
> > > â€"Paramahansa Yogananda in Seeking God Together
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have to admit that I did always find meditating in group more 
> > > > fulfilling somehow than singular meditation. Now that is meditation 
> > > > mind you, not TMSP
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Just meditating.  That is a fair observation.  I interview folks in the 
> > > larger TM meditating community here all the time and also when I travel 
> > > and i commonly find your sense about meditating v TMSP.  Most people here 
> > > will say they are meditators [TM] but don't do the TMSP when you ask 
> > > about their spiritual practice.  An irony in the recent opening of a 
> > > movement meditation hall in downtown Fairfield is that they sought to not 
> > > accommodate meditators who would come to meditate. [Need a Course Office 
> > > TMSP Badge exclusively to meditate there] They [the strict 
> > > preservationists] seem determinedly out of touch with the meditating 
> > > community as it is.
> > > -Buck 
> > >  
> > > 
> > >  - the Dome experience with Jack Bodger constantly cracking his knuckles, 
> > > people whoopin' and hollerin', many sleeping, many just sitting there and 
> > > watching the flying (so-called flying) was a circus more than anything 
> > > else. 
> > > > 
> > > > The one thing I did enjoy was the time Big Bopper Bevan stood up before 
> > > > the beginning of program to announce in an obviously peevish voice that 
> > > > coming over to him while he was "resting" after the flying to ask him 
> > > > questions was ABSOLUTELY NOT legitimate.
> > > > 
> > > > Oh and by the way Buck there ain't no meditation groups in these parts. 
> > > > Everyone is too busy out trying to catch a photo of the space bros 
> > > > making crop circles, but so far no luck.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  From: Buck 
> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 8:05 AM
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >   
> > > > 
> > > > "Group meditation is a castle that protects the new spiritual aspirants 
> > > > as well as the veteran meditators. Meditating together increases the 
> > > > degree of Self-realization of each member of the group by the law of 
> > > > invisible vibratory exchange of group magnetism."
> > > > 
> > > > â€"Paramahansa Yogananda in Seeking God Together
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Are you leaning in that direction yourself, Buck since you are 
> > > > > > realizing that Bevvie and Company are not going to let go the reins 
> > > > &g

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Buck]

> 
> Oh and by the way Buck there ain't no meditation groups in these >parts. 
>Everyone is too busy out trying to catch a photo of the 
> space bros making crop circles, but so far no luck.
>  

Well sadly, it is about proper values.
 
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> Great quote on group meditation, "the invisible vibratory exchange of group 
> magnetism".  Yes certainly, the spirituality of the Meissner Effect [ME] of 
> meditation in group meditation practice.
> 
> >
> > "Group meditation is a castle that protects the new spiritual aspirants as
> well as the veteran meditators. Meditating together increases the degree of
> Self-realization of each member of the group by the law of invisible vibratory
> exchange of group magnetism."
> >
> > â€"Paramahansa Yogananda in Seeking God Together
> >
> 
> 
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > I have to admit that I did always find meditating in group more 
> > > fulfilling somehow than singular meditation. Now that is meditation mind 
> > > you, not TMSP
> > >
> > 
> > Just meditating.  That is a fair observation.  I interview folks in the 
> > larger TM meditating community here all the time and also when I travel and 
> > i commonly find your sense about meditating v TMSP.  Most people here will 
> > say they are meditators [TM] but don't do the TMSP when you ask about their 
> > spiritual practice.  An irony in the recent opening of a movement 
> > meditation hall in downtown Fairfield is that they sought to not 
> > accommodate meditators who would come to meditate. [Need a Course Office 
> > TMSP Badge exclusively to meditate there] They [the strict 
> > preservationists] seem determinedly out of touch with the meditating 
> > community as it is.
> > -Buck 
> >  
> > 
> >  - the Dome experience with Jack Bodger constantly cracking his knuckles, 
> > people whoopin' and hollerin', many sleeping, many just sitting there and 
> > watching the flying (so-called flying) was a circus more than anything 
> > else. 
> > > 
> > > The one thing I did enjoy was the time Big Bopper Bevan stood up before 
> > > the beginning of program to announce in an obviously peevish voice that 
> > > coming over to him while he was "resting" after the flying to ask him 
> > > questions was ABSOLUTELY NOT legitimate.
> > > 
> > > Oh and by the way Buck there ain't no meditation groups in these parts. 
> > > Everyone is too busy out trying to catch a photo of the space bros making 
> > > crop circles, but so far no luck.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  From: Buck 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 8:05 AM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > > "Group meditation is a castle that protects the new spiritual aspirants 
> > > as well as the veteran meditators. Meditating together increases the 
> > > degree of Self-realization of each member of the group by the law of 
> > > invisible vibratory exchange of group magnetism."
> > > 
> > > â€"Paramahansa Yogananda in Seeking God Together
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Are you leaning in that direction yourself, Buck since you are 
> > > > > realizing that Bevvie and Company are not going to let go the reins 
> > > > > of power until the Black Camel kneels outside their tent?
> > > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > MJ, good question.  Like many meditators I am a practitioner and not 
> > > > necessarily a devotee.  In groups meditators commonly go where the 
> > > > field effect of shakti is of the greatest benefit. [natural tendency].  
> > > > Like most I look to the TM movement just to facilitate my meditation 
> > > > and to providing a group meditation.  Nothing more.  Evidently I am 
> > > > much more in line with Brahmananda Saraswati [Guru Dev] than most any 
> > > > of the TM movement now on this. 
> > > > 
> > > > All wishing for the Maharishi-TM movement is tha

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Buck]

Great quote on group meditation, "the invisible vibratory exchange of group 
magnetism".  Yes certainly, the spirituality of the Meissner Effect [ME] of 
meditation in group meditation practice.

>
> "Group meditation is a castle that protects the new spiritual aspirants as
well as the veteran meditators. Meditating together increases the degree of
Self-realization of each member of the group by the law of invisible vibratory
exchange of group magnetism."
>
> â€"Paramahansa Yogananda in Seeking God Together
>


>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > I have to admit that I did always find meditating in group more fulfilling 
> > somehow than singular meditation. Now that is meditation mind you, not TMSP
> >
> 
> Just meditating.  That is a fair observation.  I interview folks in the 
> larger TM meditating community here all the time and also when I travel and i 
> commonly find your sense about meditating v TMSP.  Most people here will say 
> they are meditators [TM] but don't do the TMSP when you ask about their 
> spiritual practice.  An irony in the recent opening of a movement meditation 
> hall in downtown Fairfield is that they sought to not accommodate meditators 
> who would come to meditate. [Need a Course Office TMSP Badge exclusively to 
> meditate there] They [the strict preservationists] seem determinedly out of 
> touch with the meditating community as it is.
> -Buck 
>  
> 
>  - the Dome experience with Jack Bodger constantly cracking his knuckles, 
> people whoopin' and hollerin', many sleeping, many just sitting there and 
> watching the flying (so-called flying) was a circus more than anything else. 
> > 
> > The one thing I did enjoy was the time Big Bopper Bevan stood up before the 
> > beginning of program to announce in an obviously peevish voice that coming 
> > over to him while he was "resting" after the flying to ask him questions 
> > was ABSOLUTELY NOT legitimate.
> > 
> > Oh and by the way Buck there ain't no meditation groups in these parts. 
> > Everyone is too busy out trying to catch a photo of the space bros making 
> > crop circles, but so far no luck.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: Buck 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 8:05 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
> >  
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > "Group meditation is a castle that protects the new spiritual aspirants as 
> > well as the veteran meditators. Meditating together increases the degree of 
> > Self-realization of each member of the group by the law of invisible 
> > vibratory exchange of group magnetism."
> > 
> > â€"Paramahansa Yogananda in Seeking God Together
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Are you leaning in that direction yourself, Buck since you are 
> > > > realizing that Bevvie and Company are not going to let go the reins of 
> > > > power until the Black Camel kneels outside their tent?
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > 
> > > MJ, good question.  Like many meditators I am a practitioner and not 
> > > necessarily a devotee.  In groups meditators commonly go where the field 
> > > effect of shakti is of the greatest benefit. [natural tendency].  Like 
> > > most I look to the TM movement just to facilitate my meditation and to 
> > > providing a group meditation.  Nothing more.  Evidently I am much more in 
> > > line with Brahmananda Saraswati [Guru Dev] than most any of the TM 
> > > movement now on this. 
> > > 
> > > All wishing for the Maharishi-TM movement is that they would do a better 
> > > job of facilitating the group program and the Meissner Effect of group 
> > > meditation.  They have failed miserably at that and for that by good 
> > > science the leadership should be held accountable for as a crime against 
> > > humanity.  Look back at any of the glossy TM publications for the last 40 
> > > years and it is the same guys in the thumbnail photos in charge. 
> > > 
> > > The obviously discouraging thing verified recently when the Prime 
> > > Minister answered questions last month live in Fairfield is that he was 
> > > unchanged.  Was a sinking feeling for the TM movement and all that the 
> > > re-certs are valiantly trying to do bringing TM back watching him lead

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Michael Jackson]

"An irony in the recent opening of a movement meditation hall in downtown 
Fairfield is that they sought to not accommodate meditators who would 
come to meditate."

Buck you are kidding, surely!




 From: Buck 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 11:41 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> I have to admit that I did always find meditating in group more fulfilling 
> somehow than singular meditation. Now that is meditation mind you, not TMSP
>

Just meditating.  That is a fair observation.  I interview folks in the larger 
TM meditating community here all the time and also when I travel and i commonly 
find your sense about meditating v TMSP.  Most people here will say they are 
meditators [TM] but don't do the TMSP when you ask about their spiritual 
practice.  An irony in the recent opening of a movement meditation hall in 
downtown Fairfield is that they sought to not accommodate meditators who would 
come to meditate. [Need a Course Office TMSP Badge exclusively to meditate 
there] They [the strict preservationists] seem determinedly out of touch with 
the meditating community as it is.
-Buck 


- the Dome experience with Jack Bodger constantly cracking his knuckles, people 
whoopin' and hollerin', many sleeping, many just sitting there and watching the 
flying (so-called flying) was a circus more than anything else. 
> 
> The one thing I did enjoy was the time Big Bopper Bevan stood up before the 
> beginning of program to announce in an obviously peevish voice that coming 
> over to him while he was "resting" after the flying to ask him questions was 
> ABSOLUTELY NOT legitimate.
> 
> Oh and by the way Buck there ain't no meditation groups in these parts. 
> Everyone is too busy out trying to catch a photo of the space bros making 
> crop circles, but so far no luck.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Buck 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 8:05 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> "Group meditation is a castle that protects the new spiritual aspirants as 
> well as the veteran meditators. Meditating together increases the degree of 
> Self-realization of each member of the group by the law of invisible 
> vibratory exchange of group magnetism."
> 
> â€"Paramahansa Yogananda in Seeking God Together
> 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > Are you leaning in that direction yourself, Buck since you are realizing 
> > > that Bevvie and Company are not going to let go the reins of power until 
> > > the Black Camel kneels outside their tent?
> > > 
> > >
> > 
> > MJ, good question.  Like many meditators I am a practitioner and not 
> > necessarily a devotee.  In groups meditators commonly go where the field 
> > effect of shakti is of the greatest benefit. [natural tendency].  Like most 
> > I look to the TM movement just to facilitate my meditation and to providing 
> > a group meditation.  Nothing more.  Evidently I am much more in line with 
> > Brahmananda Saraswati [Guru Dev] than most any of the TM movement now on 
> > this. 
> > 
> > All wishing for the Maharishi-TM movement is that they would do a better 
> > job of facilitating the group program and the Meissner Effect of group 
> > meditation.  They have failed miserably at that and for that by good 
> > science the leadership should be held accountable for as a crime against 
> > humanity.  Look back at any of the glossy TM publications for the last 40 
> > years and it is the same guys in the thumbnail photos in charge. 
> > 
> > The obviously discouraging thing verified recently when the Prime Minister 
> > answered questions last month live in Fairfield is that he was unchanged.  
> > Was a sinking feeling for the TM movement and all that the re-certs are 
> > valiantly trying to do bringing TM back watching him lead that so-called 
> > community meeting particularly where he shut up the only person in the room 
> > starting to bring up substantial points around communal fear, lack of 
> > transparency, and the TM anti-saint policy. 
> > 
> > It must be very discouraging for the progressive Hagelin-ites trying to 
> > re-ignite a meditating movement dealing with Bevan the stick in the mud 
> > when Bevan holds the trump cards.  Actually I know it is.  Everyone from 
> > the top down is waiting for the fat guy to retire or die. The black camel 
&g

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> I have to admit that I did always find meditating in group more fulfilling 
> somehow than singular meditation. Now that is meditation mind you, not TMSP
>

Just meditating.  That is a fair observation.  I interview folks in the larger 
TM meditating community here all the time and also when I travel and i commonly 
find your sense about meditating v TMSP.  Most people here will say they are 
meditators [TM] but don't do the TMSP when you ask about their spiritual 
practice.  An irony in the recent opening of a movement meditation hall in 
downtown Fairfield is that they sought to not accommodate meditators who would 
come to meditate. [Need a Course Office TMSP Badge exclusively to meditate 
there] They [the strict preservationists] seem determinedly out of touch with 
the meditating community as it is.
-Buck 
 

 - the Dome experience with Jack Bodger constantly cracking his knuckles, 
people whoopin' and hollerin', many sleeping, many just sitting there and 
watching the flying (so-called flying) was a circus more than anything else. 
> 
> The one thing I did enjoy was the time Big Bopper Bevan stood up before the 
> beginning of program to announce in an obviously peevish voice that coming 
> over to him while he was "resting" after the flying to ask him questions was 
> ABSOLUTELY NOT legitimate.
> 
> Oh and by the way Buck there ain't no meditation groups in these parts. 
> Everyone is too busy out trying to catch a photo of the space bros making 
> crop circles, but so far no luck.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Buck 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 8:05 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
>  
> 
> 
>   
> 
> "Group meditation is a castle that protects the new spiritual aspirants as 
> well as the veteran meditators. Meditating together increases the degree of 
> Self-realization of each member of the group by the law of invisible 
> vibratory exchange of group magnetism."
> 
> â€"Paramahansa Yogananda in Seeking God Together
> 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > Are you leaning in that direction yourself, Buck since you are realizing 
> > > that Bevvie and Company are not going to let go the reins of power until 
> > > the Black Camel kneels outside their tent?
> > > 
> > >
> > 
> > MJ, good question.  Like many meditators I am a practitioner and not 
> > necessarily a devotee.  In groups meditators commonly go where the field 
> > effect of shakti is of the greatest benefit. [natural tendency].  Like most 
> > I look to the TM movement just to facilitate my meditation and to providing 
> > a group meditation.  Nothing more.  Evidently I am much more in line with 
> > Brahmananda Saraswati [Guru Dev] than most any of the TM movement now on 
> > this. 
> > 
> > All wishing for the Maharishi-TM movement is that they would do a better 
> > job of facilitating the group program and the Meissner Effect of group 
> > meditation.  They have failed miserably at that and for that by good 
> > science the leadership should be held accountable for as a crime against 
> > humanity.  Look back at any of the glossy TM publications for the last 40 
> > years and it is the same guys in the thumbnail photos in charge. 
> > 
> > The obviously discouraging thing verified recently when the Prime Minister 
> > answered questions last month live in Fairfield is that he was unchanged.  
> > Was a sinking feeling for the TM movement and all that the re-certs are 
> > valiantly trying to do bringing TM back watching him lead that so-called 
> > community meeting particularly where he shut up the only person in the room 
> > starting to bring up substantial points around communal fear, lack of 
> > transparency, and the TM anti-saint policy. 
> > 
> > It must be very discouraging for the progressive Hagelin-ites trying to 
> > re-ignite a meditating movement dealing with Bevan the stick in the mud 
> > when Bevan holds the trump cards.  Actually I know it is.  Everyone from 
> > the top down is waiting for the fat guy to retire or die. The black camel 
> > kneeling thing.  When that happens like in all post-charismatic movements 
> > sensible things can get done by corporate consensus afterwords.  There is a 
> > lot of precedent in history for that.  But then TM'ers don't study history 
> > to know, I am just a journalist.  However, I still like this YouTube clip 
> > the best to see what is goi

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[doctordumbass]

"The one thing I did enjoy was the time Big Bopper Bevan stood up before the 
beginning of program to announce in an obviously peevish voice that coming over 
to him while he was "resting" after the flying to ask him questions was 
ABSOLUTELY NOT legitimate."

...though tickling him, until he giggled uncontrollably, would still be 
acceptable.

Great image!!! Thanks.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> I have to admit that I did always find meditating in group more fulfilling 
> somehow than singular meditation. Now that is meditation mind you, not TMSP - 
> the Dome experience with Jack Bodger constantly cracking his knuckles, people 
> whoopin' and hollerin', many sleeping, many just sitting there and watching 
> the flying (so-called flying) was a circus more than anything else. 
> 
> The one thing I did enjoy was the time Big Bopper Bevan stood up before the 
> beginning of program to announce in an obviously peevish voice that coming 
> over to him while he was "resting" after the flying to ask him questions was 
> ABSOLUTELY NOT legitimate.

**though tickling him until he giggled uncontrollably, would still be 
acceptable.
> 
> Oh and by the way Buck there ain't no meditation groups in these parts. 
> Everyone is too busy out trying to catch a photo of the space bros making 
> crop circles, but so far no luck.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Buck 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 8:05 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
>  
> 
> 
>   
> 
> "Group meditation is a castle that protects the new spiritual aspirants as 
> well as the veteran meditators. Meditating together increases the degree of 
> Self-realization of each member of the group by the law of invisible 
> vibratory exchange of group magnetism."
> 
> â€"Paramahansa Yogananda in Seeking God Together
> 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > Are you leaning in that direction yourself, Buck since you are realizing 
> > > that Bevvie and Company are not going to let go the reins of power until 
> > > the Black Camel kneels outside their tent?
> > > 
> > >
> > 
> > MJ, good question.  Like many meditators I am a practitioner and not 
> > necessarily a devotee.  In groups meditators commonly go where the field 
> > effect of shakti is of the greatest benefit. [natural tendency].  Like most 
> > I look to the TM movement just to facilitate my meditation and to providing 
> > a group meditation.  Nothing more.  Evidently I am much more in line with 
> > Brahmananda Saraswati [Guru Dev] than most any of the TM movement now on 
> > this. 
> > 
> > All wishing for the Maharishi-TM movement is that they would do a better 
> > job of facilitating the group program and the Meissner Effect of group 
> > meditation.  They have failed miserably at that and for that by good 
> > science the leadership should be held accountable for as a crime against 
> > humanity.  Look back at any of the glossy TM publications for the last 40 
> > years and it is the same guys in the thumbnail photos in charge. 
> > 
> > The obviously discouraging thing verified recently when the Prime Minister 
> > answered questions last month live in Fairfield is that he was unchanged.  
> > Was a sinking feeling for the TM movement and all that the re-certs are 
> > valiantly trying to do bringing TM back watching him lead that so-called 
> > community meeting particularly where he shut up the only person in the room 
> > starting to bring up substantial points around communal fear, lack of 
> > transparency, and the TM anti-saint policy. 
> > 
> > It must be very discouraging for the progressive Hagelin-ites trying to 
> > re-ignite a meditating movement dealing with Bevan the stick in the mud 
> > when Bevan holds the trump cards.  Actually I know it is.  Everyone from 
> > the top down is waiting for the fat guy to retire or die. The black camel 
> > kneeling thing.  When that happens like in all post-charismatic movements 
> > sensible things can get done by corporate consensus afterwords.  There is a 
> > lot of precedent in history for that.  But then TM'ers don't study history 
> > to know, I am just a journalist.  However, I still like this YouTube clip 
> > the best to see what is going on in TM now.  It is very exciting.  Of 
> > course skip the advertisement in the beginning but see it through to the 
> > finish: 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Michael Jackson]

I have to admit that I did always find meditating in group more fulfilling 
somehow than singular meditation. Now that is meditation mind you, not TMSP - 
the Dome experience with Jack Bodger constantly cracking his knuckles, people 
whoopin' and hollerin', many sleeping, many just sitting there and watching the 
flying (so-called flying) was a circus more than anything else. 

The one thing I did enjoy was the time Big Bopper Bevan stood up before the 
beginning of program to announce in an obviously peevish voice that coming over 
to him while he was "resting" after the flying to ask him questions was 
ABSOLUTELY NOT legitimate.

Oh and by the way Buck there ain't no meditation groups in these parts. 
Everyone is too busy out trying to catch a photo of the space bros making crop 
circles, but so far no luck.





 From: Buck 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 8:05 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
 


  

"Group meditation is a castle that protects the new spiritual aspirants as well 
as the veteran meditators. Meditating together increases the degree of 
Self-realization of each member of the group by the law of invisible vibratory 
exchange of group magnetism."

—Paramahansa Yogananda in Seeking God Together

> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Are you leaning in that direction yourself, Buck since you are realizing 
> > that Bevvie and Company are not going to let go the reins of power until 
> > the Black Camel kneels outside their tent?
> > 
> >
> 
> MJ, good question.  Like many meditators I am a practitioner and not 
> necessarily a devotee.  In groups meditators commonly go where the field 
> effect of shakti is of the greatest benefit. [natural tendency].  Like most I 
> look to the TM movement just to facilitate my meditation and to providing a 
> group meditation.  Nothing more.  Evidently I am much more in line with 
> Brahmananda Saraswati [Guru Dev] than most any of the TM movement now on 
> this. 
> 
> All wishing for the Maharishi-TM movement is that they would do a better job 
> of facilitating the group program and the Meissner Effect of group 
> meditation.  They have failed miserably at that and for that by good science 
> the leadership should be held accountable for as a crime against humanity.  
> Look back at any of the glossy TM publications for the last 40 years and it 
> is the same guys in the thumbnail photos in charge. 
> 
> The obviously discouraging thing verified recently when the Prime Minister 
> answered questions last month live in Fairfield is that he was unchanged.  
> Was a sinking feeling for the TM movement and all that the re-certs are 
> valiantly trying to do bringing TM back watching him lead that so-called 
> community meeting particularly where he shut up the only person in the room 
> starting to bring up substantial points around communal fear, lack of 
> transparency, and the TM anti-saint policy. 
> 
> It must be very discouraging for the progressive Hagelin-ites trying to 
> re-ignite a meditating movement dealing with Bevan the stick in the mud when 
> Bevan holds the trump cards.  Actually I know it is.  Everyone from the top 
> down is waiting for the fat guy to retire or die. The black camel kneeling 
> thing.  When that happens like in all post-charismatic movements sensible 
> things can get done by corporate consensus afterwords.  There is a lot of 
> precedent in history for that.  But then TM'ers don't study history to know, 
> I am just a journalist.  However, I still like this YouTube clip the best to 
> see what is going on in TM now.  It is very exciting.  Of course skip the 
> advertisement in the beginning but see it through to the finish: 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSl-6aC6GEQ 
> Spoiler: spot Orb to the end!
> -Buck
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: Buck 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:27 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > Dear MJ;  Yur evidently being jaded such by the past bad behavior of TM and 
> > its leaders,  MJ given the science and experience of meditation now I am 
> > concerned that you are not in a group meditating.  I  have noticed that the 
> > Yogananda people are open to having people meditate along with them in 
> > their group meditations.  They can have very powerful group meditations 
> > [field effect] that one can sit with when traveling away.  Look for SRF on 
> > the web.  I was just up in Minneapolis and they have a real nice meditation 
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Buck]

"Group meditation is a castle that protects the new spiritual aspirants as well 
as the veteran meditators. Meditating together increases the degree of 
Self-realization of each member of the group by the law of invisible vibratory 
exchange of group magnetism."

—Paramahansa Yogananda in Seeking God Together

> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Are you leaning in that direction yourself, Buck since you are realizing 
> > that Bevvie and Company are not going to let go the reins of power until 
> > the Black Camel kneels outside their tent?
> > 
> >
> 
> MJ, good question.  Like many meditators I am a practitioner and not 
> necessarily a devotee.  In groups meditators commonly go where the field 
> effect of shakti is of the greatest benefit. [natural tendency].  Like most I 
> look to the TM movement just to facilitate my meditation and to providing a 
> group meditation.  Nothing more.  Evidently I am much more in line with 
> Brahmananda Saraswati [Guru Dev] than most any of the TM movement now on 
> this.  
> 
> All wishing for the Maharishi-TM movement is that they would do a better job 
> of facilitating the group program and the Meissner Effect of group 
> meditation.  They have failed miserably at that and for that by good science 
> the leadership should be held accountable for as a crime against humanity.  
> Look back at any of the glossy TM publications for the last 40 years and it 
> is the same guys in the thumbnail photos in charge.
> 
> The obviously discouraging thing verified recently when the Prime Minister 
> answered questions last month live in Fairfield is that he was unchanged.  
> Was a sinking feeling for the TM movement and all that the re-certs are 
> valiantly trying to do bringing TM back watching him lead that so-called 
> community meeting particularly where he shut up the only person in the room 
> starting to bring up substantial points around communal fear, lack of 
> transparency, and the TM anti-saint policy. 
> 
> It must be very discouraging for the progressive Hagelin-ites trying to 
> re-ignite a meditating movement dealing with Bevan the stick in the mud when 
> Bevan holds the trump cards.  Actually I know it is.  Everyone from the top 
> down is waiting for the fat guy to retire or die. The black camel kneeling 
> thing.  When that happens like in all post-charismatic movements sensible 
> things can get done by corporate consensus afterwords.  There is a lot of 
> precedent in history for that.  But then TM'ers don't study history to know, 
> I am just a journalist.  However, I still like this YouTube clip the best to 
> see what is going on in TM now.  It is very exciting.  Of course skip the 
> advertisement in the beginning but see it through to the finish:  
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSl-6aC6GEQ 
> Spoiler: spot Orb to the end!
> -Buck
>  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: Buck 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:27 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
> >  
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > Dear MJ;  Yur evidently being jaded such by the past bad behavior of TM and 
> > its leaders,  MJ given the science and experience of meditation now I am 
> > concerned that you are not in a group meditating.  I  have noticed that the 
> > Yogananda people are open to having people meditate along with them in 
> > their group meditations.  They can have very powerful group meditations 
> > [field effect] that one can sit with when traveling away.  Look for SRF on 
> > the web.  I was just up in Minneapolis and they have a real nice meditation 
> > place.  Turns out that Yogananda taught there in the 1920's for some time 
> > and they have had a group meditation since.  They have a silent practice 
> > that other meditators can sit in with so long as you are not disturbing 
> > their practice.  Look on the web for a place. 
> > SRF group meditations might be a good tip for other notable disaffected 
> > meditators here too.
> > Kind Regards,
> > -Buck 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > and you believed him? What did you expect him to say that they are a 
> > > bunch of elitist lying thieving crooks?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  From: Buck 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 1:27 PM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcom

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Are you leaning in that direction yourself, Buck since you are realizing that 
> Bevvie and Company are not going to let go the reins of power until the Black 
> Camel kneels outside their tent?
> 
>

MJ, good question.  Like many meditators I am a practitioner and not 
necessarily a devotee.  In groups meditators commonly go where the field effect 
of shakti is of the greatest benefit. [natural tendency].  Like most I look to 
the TM movement just to facilitate my meditation and to providing a group 
meditation.  Nothing more.  Evidently I am much more in line with Brahmananda 
Saraswati [Guru Dev] than most any of the TM movement now on this.  

All wishing for the Maharishi-TM movement is that they would do a better job of 
facilitating the group program and the Meissner Effect of group meditation.  
They have failed miserably at that and for that by good science the leadership 
should be held accountable for as a crime against humanity.  Look back at any 
of the glossy TM publications for the last 40 years and it is the same guys in 
the thumbnail photos in charge.

The obviously discouraging thing verified recently when the Prime Minister 
answered questions last month live in Fairfield is that he was unchanged.  Was 
a sinking feeling for the TM movement and all that the re-certs are valiantly 
trying to do bringing TM back watching him lead that so-called community 
meeting particularly where he shut up the only person in the room starting to 
bring up substantial points around communal fear, lack of transparency, and the 
TM anti-saint policy. 

It must be very discouraging for the progressive Hagelin-ites trying to 
re-ignite a meditating movement dealing with Bevan the stick in the mud when 
Bevan holds the trump cards.  Actually I know it is.  Everyone from the top 
down is waiting for the fat guy to retire or die. The black camel kneeling 
thing.  When that happens like in all post-charismatic movements sensible 
things can get done by corporate consensus afterwords.  There is a lot of 
precedent in history for that.  But then TM'ers don't study history to know, I 
am just a journalist.  However, I still like this YouTube clip the best to see 
what is going on in TM now.  It is very exciting.  Of course skip the 
advertisement in the beginning but see it through to the finish:  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSl-6aC6GEQ 
Spoiler: spot Orb to the end!
-Buck
 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Buck 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:27 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
>  
> 
> 
>   
> Dear MJ;  Yur evidently being jaded such by the past bad behavior of TM and 
> its leaders,  MJ given the science and experience of meditation now I am 
> concerned that you are not in a group meditating.  I  have noticed that the 
> Yogananda people are open to having people meditate along with them in their 
> group meditations.  They can have very powerful group meditations [field 
> effect] that one can sit with when traveling away.  Look for SRF on the web.  
> I was just up in Minneapolis and they have a real nice meditation place.  
> Turns out that Yogananda taught there in the 1920's for some time and they 
> have had a group meditation since.  They have a silent practice that other 
> meditators can sit in with so long as you are not disturbing their practice.  
> Look on the web for a place. 
> SRF group meditations might be a good tip for other notable disaffected 
> meditators here too.
> Kind Regards,
> -Buck 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > and you believed him? What did you expect him to say that they are a bunch 
> > of elitist lying thieving crooks?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ________
> >  From: Buck 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 1:27 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > Really nice TM Guru Purnima meeting in the Dome last nite for Badge holders 
> > or course office vetted only.  Nothing so secret though was said that the 
> > rank-and-file movement's meditator or even just any public non-meditator 
> > would not have been inspired by.  Was evidently a lost opportunity to have 
> > asked the old meditators of the community back in like the old days.  
> > However, John Hagelin gave a wonderful presentation of how the movement is 
> > doing.  Much progress has been made since he re-oriented things from the 
> > time of Maharishi's death [2008].  The movement is doing quite well in 
> > modern re

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Michael Jackson]

 Supposedly it is an Arab, possibly Turkish legend or tradition, that when 
death approaches, it takes the form of a Black Camel, the fact that it kneels 
is indicative of the fact that it is about to take on its burden or rider, 
carrying the soul to wherever. 

http://theoldproverbialrecovery.wordpress.com/2010/05/06/death-is-a-black-camel-which-kneels-at-every-mans-gate-turkish-the-camel-kneels-to-receive-its-burden-here-death-is-represented-as-a-camel-that-is-sure-at-some-time-to-stop-before-every-mans/

There was also a Charley Chan novel called The Black Camel
"Death is a black camel that kneels unbidden 
at every gate. Tonight black camel has knelt here", Chan tells the 
suspects."





 From: turquoiseb 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:53 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> ...until the Black Camel kneels outside their tent?

OK, I have to ask. That's a wonderfully odd metaphor,
one that I neither heard during my years in Morocco,
nor can find on Google. Where's it from? 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> ...until the Black Camel kneels outside their tent?

OK, I have to ask. That's a wonderfully odd metaphor,
one that I neither heard during my years in Morocco,
nor can find on Google. Where's it from? 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Michael Jackson]

Are you leaning in that direction yourself, Buck since you are realizing that 
Bevvie and Company are not going to let go the reins of power until the Black 
Camel kneels outside their tent?





 From: Buck 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:27 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
 


  
Dear MJ;  Yur evidently being jaded such by the past bad behavior of TM and its 
leaders,  MJ given the science and experience of meditation now I am concerned 
that you are not in a group meditating.  I  have noticed that the Yogananda 
people are open to having people meditate along with them in their group 
meditations.  They can have very powerful group meditations [field effect] that 
one can sit with when traveling away.  Look for SRF on the web.  I was just up 
in Minneapolis and they have a real nice meditation place.  Turns out that 
Yogananda taught there in the 1920's for some time and they have had a group 
meditation since.  They have a silent practice that other meditators can sit in 
with so long as you are not disturbing their practice.  Look on the web for a 
place. 
SRF group meditations might be a good tip for other notable disaffected 
meditators here too.
Kind Regards,
-Buck 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> and you believed him? What did you expect him to say that they are a bunch of 
> elitist lying thieving crooks?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Buck 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 1:27 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
> 
> 
> 
>   
> Really nice TM Guru Purnima meeting in the Dome last nite for Badge holders 
> or course office vetted only.  Nothing so secret though was said that the 
> rank-and-file movement's meditator or even just any public non-meditator 
> would not have been inspired by.  Was evidently a lost opportunity to have 
> asked the old meditators of the community back in like the old days.  
> However, John Hagelin gave a wonderful presentation of how the movement is 
> doing.  Much progress has been made since he re-oriented things from the time 
> of Maharishi's death [2008].  The movement is doing quite well in modern 
> retrofit.  You all should take another look at http://www.tm.org/about-us 
> TM.org.TM is on a comeback and that is very exciting regardless of any of 
> the past controversies.  Moving forward,
> -Buck in the Dome 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> >
> > You are 100% right on this, Buck. Guru Purnima should be open to all. I 
> > don't know what their problem is. 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > Reconciliation with its meditators?? The leadership has lost itself once 
> > > again.  Incredible.  This is a no-brainier,  there are two easy days to 
> > > invite people in on and Guru Purnima is one of them.  Instead the 
> > > leadership wants to split and be contentious with people?  It is badly 
> > > incredible that at a time they are wanting for people they hold out for 
> > > an exclusivity over this!  Shame on them.  They seem determined to bury 
> > > the old meditating movement in the exclusivity of their own fealty 
> > > testing.  This could have been one of the easiest meetings to host in the 
> > > Domes for everyone and anyone wanting to celebrate Maharishi, meditating, 
> > > or the work of the movement.  They have failed once again.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > TM Guru Purnima;
> > > > 
> > > > All Meditators, Sidhas and Governors are warm invited.  Please bring 
> > > > your
> > > > current program badge*
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg
> > > >
> > >
> >
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Buck]

Dear MJ;  Yur evidently being jaded such by the past bad behavior of TM and its 
leaders,  MJ given the science and experience of meditation now I am concerned 
that you are not in a group meditating.  I  have noticed that the Yogananda 
people are open to having people meditate along with them in their group 
meditations.  They can have very powerful group meditations [field effect] that 
one can sit with when traveling away.  Look for SRF on the web.  I was just up 
in Minneapolis and they have a real nice meditation place.  Turns out that 
Yogananda taught there in the 1920's for some time and they have had a group 
meditation since.  They have a silent practice that other meditators can sit in 
with so long as you are not disturbing their practice.  Look on the web for a 
place. 
SRF group meditations might be a good tip for other notable disaffected 
meditators here too.
Kind Regards,
-Buck

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> and you believed him? What did you expect him to say that they are a bunch of 
> elitist lying thieving crooks?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Buck 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 1:27 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
>  
> 
> 
>   
> Really nice TM Guru Purnima meeting in the Dome last nite for Badge holders 
> or course office vetted only.  Nothing so secret though was said that the 
> rank-and-file movement's meditator or even just any public non-meditator 
> would not have been inspired by.  Was evidently a lost opportunity to have 
> asked the old meditators of the community back in like the old days.  
> However, John Hagelin gave a wonderful presentation of how the movement is 
> doing.  Much progress has been made since he re-oriented things from the time 
> of Maharishi's death [2008].  The movement is doing quite well in modern 
> retrofit.  You all should take another look at http://www.tm.org/about-us 
> TM.org.TM is on a comeback and that is very exciting regardless of any of 
> the past controversies.  Moving forward,
> -Buck in the Dome 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> >
> > You are 100% right on this, Buck. Guru Purnima should be open to all. I 
> > don't know what their problem is. 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > Reconciliation with its meditators?? The leadership has lost itself once 
> > > again.  Incredible.  This is a no-brainier,  there are two easy days to 
> > > invite people in on and Guru Purnima is one of them.  Instead the 
> > > leadership wants to split and be contentious with people?  It is badly 
> > > incredible that at a time they are wanting for people they hold out for 
> > > an exclusivity over this!  Shame on them.  They seem determined to bury 
> > > the old meditating movement in the exclusivity of their own fealty 
> > > testing.  This could have been one of the easiest meetings to host in the 
> > > Domes for everyone and anyone wanting to celebrate Maharishi, meditating, 
> > > or the work of the movement.  They have failed once again.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > TM Guru Purnima;
> > > > 
> > > > All Meditators, Sidhas and Governors are warm invited.  Please bring 
> > > > your
> > > > current program badge*
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Buck]

> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > >
> > > Really nice TM Guru Purnima meeting in the Dome last nite for Badge 
> > > holders or course office vetted only.  Nothing so secret though was said 
> > > that the rank-and-file movement's meditator or even just any public 
> > > non-meditator would not have been inspired by.  Was evidently a lost 
> > > opportunity to have asked the old meditators of the community back in 
> > > like the old days.  However, John Hagelin gave a wonderful presentation 
> > > of how the movement is doing.  Much progress has been made since he 
> > > re-oriented things from the time of Maharishi's death [2008].  The 
> > > movement is doing quite well in modern retrofit.  You all should take 
> > > another look at  http://www.tm.org/about-usTM.org.TM is on a 
> > > comeback and that is very exciting regardless of any of the past 
> > > controversies.  Moving forward,
> > > -Buck in the Dome 
> > 
> > Very nice, thanks for the report Buck :-)
> >
> 
> Yup the meeting invitation was quite so emblematic of the two long-term 
> elements of TM, progressives as practitioners who in good faith would like to 
> see it work out and then the more strict faith-based preservationists who 
> want to test people against their faith.  Inclusive v exclusive.  The 
> interesting thing is that evidently by this invitation and the usual 'fuck 
> ewe' ending there has been no effective change of balance at the top about 
> this.  The hardline or strict preservationists seem still have a stronger 
> hand than the progressives.   The interesting thing is that there has not 
> been a change of feeling about this at the top on the Bevan side.  This is 
> not new.
> -Buck
>

Yep not new.  This elemental split in TM shows back even in the beginning posts 
on FFL.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Share Long]

As Judy would say: guffaw or horse laugh. As Emily would say: tee hee. As I 
would say: ha ha. As Richard would say: go figure!





 From: Alex Stanley 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 5:15 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> You're right, Dan. Buck is making a mountain out of a mole hill.
> I got two people on the list who wanted to go with me to Guru
> Purnima. No problem. One phone call, two people, two minutes.

It's understandable why you'd now want to take a couple of bodyguards with you 
to the dome.

> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002  wrote:
> >
> > The Announcement actually read:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > *If you or a family member does not have a current  program badge,
> > please telephone the Invincible America Department  (472-1212) in the
> > afternoon or send an email to iadept@ <mailto:iadept@> 
> >  to ask that you be added to the Guru Purnima
> > list. This list will be available at the entry door of the Dome.
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > TM Guru Purnima;
> > >
> > > All Meditators, Sidhas and Governors are warm invited.  Please bring
> > your
> > > current program badge*
> > >
> > >
> > > http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg
> > >
> >
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Richard J. Williams]

mjackson74:
> What did you expect him to say that they are 
> a bunch of elitist lying thieving crooks?
> 
So, you're thinking that a bunch of elitist 
lying thieving crooks can't participate in 
Guru Purnima? Go figure. 
  
> Really nice TM Guru Purnima meeting in the Dome last nite for Badge holders 
> or course office vetted only.  Nothing so secret though was said that the 
> rank-and-file movement's meditator or even just any public non-meditator 
> would not have been inspired by.  Was evidently a lost opportunity to have 
> asked the old meditators of the community back in like the old days.  
> However, John Hagelin gave a wonderful presentation of how the movement is 
> doing.  Much progress has been made since he re-oriented things from the time 
> of Maharishi's death [2008].  The movement is doing quite well in modern 
> retrofit.  You all should take another look at http://www.tm.org/about-us 
> TM.org.TM is on a comeback and that is very exciting regardless of any of 
> the past controversies.  Moving forward,
> -Buck in the Dome 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> >
> > You are 100% right on this, Buck. Guru Purnima should be open to all. I 
> > don't know what their problem is. 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > Reconciliation with its meditators?? The leadership has lost itself once 
> > > again.  Incredible.  This is a no-brainier,  there are two easy days to 
> > > invite people in on and Guru Purnima is one of them.  Instead the 
> > > leadership wants to split and be contentious with people?  It is badly 
> > > incredible that at a time they are wanting for people they hold out for 
> > > an exclusivity over this!  Shame on them.  They seem determined to bury 
> > > the old meditating movement in the exclusivity of their own fealty 
> > > testing.  This could have been one of the easiest meetings to host in the 
> > > Domes for everyone and anyone wanting to celebrate Maharishi, meditating, 
> > > or the work of the movement.  They have failed once again.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > TM Guru Purnima;
> > > > 
> > > > All Meditators, Sidhas and Governors are warm invited.  Please bring 
> > > > your
> > > > current program badge*
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> >
> > Really nice TM Guru Purnima meeting in the Dome last nite for Badge holders 
> > or course office vetted only.  Nothing so secret though was said that the 
> > rank-and-file movement's meditator or even just any public non-meditator 
> > would not have been inspired by.  Was evidently a lost opportunity to have 
> > asked the old meditators of the community back in like the old days.  
> > However, John Hagelin gave a wonderful presentation of how the movement is 
> > doing.  Much progress has been made since he re-oriented things from the 
> > time of Maharishi's death [2008].  The movement is doing quite well in 
> > modern retrofit.  You all should take another look at  
> > http://www.tm.org/about-usTM.org.TM is on a comeback and that is 
> > very exciting regardless of any of the past controversies.  Moving forward,
> > -Buck in the Dome 
> 
> Very nice, thanks for the report Buck :-)
>

Yup the meeting invitation was quite so emblematic of the two long-term 
elements of TM, progressives as practitioners who in good faith would like to 
see it work out and then the more strict faith-based preservationists who want 
to test people against their faith.  Inclusive v exclusive.  The interesting 
thing is that evidently by this invitation and the usual 'fuck ewe' ending 
there has been no effective change of balance at the top about this.  The 
hardline or strict preservationists seem still have a stronger hand than the 
progressives.   The interesting thing is that there has not been a change of 
feeling about this at the top on the Bevan side.  This is not new.
-Buck

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> >
> > You're right, Dan. Buck is making a mountain out of a mole hill.
> > I got two people on the list who wanted to go with me to Guru
> > Purnima. No problem. One phone call, two people, two minutes.
> 
> It's understandable why you'd now want to take a couple of bodyguards with 
> you to the dome.
> 

http://youtu.be/ilrQg_0hvDY

> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002  wrote:
> > >
> > > The Announcement actually read:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > *If you or a family member does not have a current  program badge,
> > > please telephone the Invincible America Department  (472-1212) in the
> > > afternoon or send an email to iadept@  
> > >  to ask that you be added to the Guru Purnima
> > > list. This list will be available at the entry door of the Dome.
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > TM Guru Purnima;
> > > >
> > > > All Meditators, Sidhas and Governors are warm invited.  Please bring
> > > your
> > > > current program badge*
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> Really nice TM Guru Purnima meeting in the Dome last nite for Badge holders 
> or course office vetted only.  Nothing so secret though was said that the 
> rank-and-file movement's meditator or even just any public non-meditator 
> would not have been inspired by.  Was evidently a lost opportunity to have 
> asked the old meditators of the community back in like the old days.  
> However, John Hagelin gave a wonderful presentation of how the movement is 
> doing.  Much progress has been made since he re-oriented things from the time 
> of Maharishi's death [2008].  The movement is doing quite well in modern 
> retrofit.  You all should take another look at  http://www.tm.org/about-us
> TM.org.TM is on a comeback and that is very exciting regardless of any of 
> the past controversies.  Moving forward,
> -Buck in the Dome 

Very nice, thanks for the report Buck :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> You're right, Dan. Buck is making a mountain out of a mole hill.
> I got two people on the list who wanted to go with me to Guru
> Purnima. No problem. One phone call, two people, two minutes.

It's understandable why you'd now want to take a couple of bodyguards with you 
to the dome.

> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002  wrote:
> >
> > The Announcement actually read:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > *If you or a family member does not have a current  program badge,
> > please telephone the Invincible America Department  (472-1212) in the
> > afternoon or send an email to iadept@  
> >  to ask that you be added to the Guru Purnima
> > list. This list will be available at the entry door of the Dome.
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > TM Guru Purnima;
> > >
> > > All Meditators, Sidhas and Governors are warm invited.  Please bring
> > your
> > > current program badge*
> > >
> > >
> > > http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[danfriedman2002]

There needs to be an "ly" at the end of "warm"; that's what's wrong with the 
English.

I hope this helped.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> It actually said, " are warm invited"? What's with the English here?
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002  wrote:
> >
> > The Announcement actually read:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > *If you or a family member does not have a current  program badge,
> > please telephone the Invincible America Department  (472-1212) in the
> > afternoon or send an email to iadept@  
> >  to ask that you be added to the Guru Purnima
> > list. This list will be available at the entry door of the Dome.
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > TM Guru Purnima;
> > >
> > > All Meditators, Sidhas and Governors are warm invited.  Please bring
> > your
> > > current program badge*
> > >
> > >
> > > http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[raunchydog]

You're right, Dan. Buck is making a mountain out of a mole hill. I got two 
people on the list who wanted to go with me to Guru Purnima. No problem. One 
phone call, two people, two minutes.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002  wrote:
>
> The Announcement actually read:
> 
> 
> 
> *If you or a family member does not have a current  program badge,
> please telephone the Invincible America Department  (472-1212) in the
> afternoon or send an email to iadept@  
>  to ask that you be added to the Guru Purnima
> list. This list will be available at the entry door of the Dome.
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > TM Guru Purnima;
> >
> > All Meditators, Sidhas and Governors are warm invited.  Please bring
> your
> > current program badge*
> >
> >
> > http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Ann]

It actually said, " are warm invited"? What's with the English here?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002  wrote:
>
> The Announcement actually read:
> 
> 
> 
> *If you or a family member does not have a current  program badge,
> please telephone the Invincible America Department  (472-1212) in the
> afternoon or send an email to iadept@  
>  to ask that you be added to the Guru Purnima
> list. This list will be available at the entry door of the Dome.
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > TM Guru Purnima;
> >
> > All Meditators, Sidhas and Governors are warm invited.  Please bring
> your
> > current program badge*
> >
> >
> > http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[feste37]

You are 100% right on this, Buck. Guru Purnima should be open to all. I don't 
know what their problem is.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> Reconciliation with its meditators?? The leadership has lost itself once 
> again.  Incredible.  This is a no-brainier,  there are two easy days to 
> invite people in on and Guru Purnima is one of them.  Instead the leadership 
> wants to split and be contentious with people?  It is badly incredible that 
> at a time they are wanting for people they hold out for an exclusivity over 
> this!  Shame on them.  They seem determined to bury the old meditating 
> movement in the exclusivity of their own fealty testing.  This could have 
> been one of the easiest meetings to host in the Domes for everyone and anyone 
> wanting to celebrate Maharishi, meditating, or the work of the movement.  
> They have failed once again.
>  
> 
> 
> >
> > TM Guru Purnima;
> > 
> > All Meditators, Sidhas and Governors are warm invited.  Please bring your
> > current program badge*
> > 
> > 
> > http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Michael Jackson]

and you believed him? What did you expect him to say that they are a bunch of 
elitist lying thieving crooks?





 From: Buck 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 1:27 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
 


  
Really nice TM Guru Purnima meeting in the Dome last nite for Badge holders or 
course office vetted only.  Nothing so secret though was said that the 
rank-and-file movement's meditator or even just any public non-meditator would 
not have been inspired by.  Was evidently a lost opportunity to have asked the 
old meditators of the community back in like the old days.  However, John 
Hagelin gave a wonderful presentation of how the movement is doing.  Much 
progress has been made since he re-oriented things from the time of Maharishi's 
death [2008].  The movement is doing quite well in modern retrofit.  You all 
should take another look at http://www.tm.org/about-us TM.org.TM is on a 
comeback and that is very exciting regardless of any of the past controversies. 
 Moving forward,
-Buck in the Dome 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
>
> You are 100% right on this, Buck. Guru Purnima should be open to all. I don't 
> know what their problem is. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Reconciliation with its meditators?? The leadership has lost itself once 
> > again.  Incredible.  This is a no-brainier,  there are two easy days to 
> > invite people in on and Guru Purnima is one of them.  Instead the 
> > leadership wants to split and be contentious with people?  It is badly 
> > incredible that at a time they are wanting for people they hold out for an 
> > exclusivity over this!  Shame on them.  They seem determined to bury the 
> > old meditating movement in the exclusivity of their own fealty testing.  
> > This could have been one of the easiest meetings to host in the Domes for 
> > everyone and anyone wanting to celebrate Maharishi, meditating, or the work 
> > of the movement.  They have failed once again.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > > TM Guru Purnima;
> > > 
> > > All Meditators, Sidhas and Governors are warm invited.  Please bring your
> > > current program badge*
> > > 
> > > 
> > > http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg
> > >
> >
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Buck]

Really nice TM Guru Purnima meeting in the Dome last nite for Badge holders or 
course office vetted only.  Nothing so secret though was said that the 
rank-and-file movement's meditator or even just any public non-meditator would 
not have been inspired by.  Was evidently a lost opportunity to have asked the 
old meditators of the community back in like the old days.  However, John 
Hagelin gave a wonderful presentation of how the movement is doing.  Much 
progress has been made since he re-oriented things from the time of Maharishi's 
death [2008].  The movement is doing quite well in modern retrofit.  You all 
should take another look at  http://www.tm.org/about-usTM.org.TM is on 
a comeback and that is very exciting regardless of any of the past 
controversies.  Moving forward,
-Buck in the Dome 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
>
> You are 100% right on this, Buck. Guru Purnima should be open to all. I don't 
> know what their problem is.  
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Reconciliation with its meditators?? The leadership has lost itself once 
> > again.  Incredible.  This is a no-brainier,  there are two easy days to 
> > invite people in on and Guru Purnima is one of them.  Instead the 
> > leadership wants to split and be contentious with people?  It is badly 
> > incredible that at a time they are wanting for people they hold out for an 
> > exclusivity over this!  Shame on them.  They seem determined to bury the 
> > old meditating movement in the exclusivity of their own fealty testing.  
> > This could have been one of the easiest meetings to host in the Domes for 
> > everyone and anyone wanting to celebrate Maharishi, meditating, or the work 
> > of the movement.  They have failed once again.
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > > TM Guru Purnima;
> > > 
> > > All Meditators, Sidhas and Governors are warm invited.  Please bring your
> > > current program badge*
> > > 
> > > 
> > > http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Michael Jackson]

Why are you surprised at this Buck? After all these years you expect them to 
change? If you would just accept that their agenda has NEVER been high Dome 
numbers, but rather an obedient, pliable preferable affluent and willingly 
generous to the TM Movement group of followers you will be better off and save 
yourself a bunch of stress.





 From: Buck 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 2:49 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
 


  

Reconciliation with its meditators?? The leadership has lost itself once again. 
 Incredible.  This is a no-brainier,  there are two easy days to invite people 
in on and Guru Purnima is one of them.  Instead the leadership wants to split 
and be contentious with people?  It is badly incredible that at a time they are 
wanting for people they hold out for an exclusivity over this!  Shame on them.  
They seem determined to bury the old meditating movement in the exclusivity of 
their own fealty testing.  This could have been one of the easiest meetings to 
host in the Domes for everyone and anyone wanting to celebrate Maharishi, 
meditating, or the work of the movement.  They have failed once again.


>
> TM Guru Purnima;
> 
> All Meditators, Sidhas and Governors are warm invited.  Please bring your
> current program badge*
> 
> 
> http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[danfriedman2002]

The Announcement actually read:



*If you or a family member does not have a current  program badge,
please telephone the Invincible America Department  (472-1212) in the
afternoon or send an email to iadept@...  
 to ask that you be added to the Guru Purnima
list. This list will be available at the entry door of the Dome.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> TM Guru Purnima;
>
> All Meditators, Sidhas and Governors are warm invited.  Please bring
your
> current program badge*
>
>
> http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Buck]

Reconciliation with its meditators?? The leadership has lost itself once again. 
 Incredible.  This is a no-brainier,  there are two easy days to invite people 
in on and Guru Purnima is one of them.  Instead the leadership wants to split 
and be contentious with people?  It is badly incredible that at a time they are 
wanting for people they hold out for an exclusivity over this!  Shame on them.  
They seem determined to bury the old meditating movement in the exclusivity of 
their own fealty testing.  This could have been one of the easiest meetings to 
host in the Domes for everyone and anyone wanting to celebrate Maharishi, 
meditating, or the work of the movement.  They have failed once again.
 


>
> TM Guru Purnima;
> 
> All Meditators, Sidhas and Governors are warm invited.  Please bring your
> current program badge*
> 
> 
> http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg
>