--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And, after sixty-one years of meditating, I've not seen any account
about certainty in spiritual knowledge that has a claim to
certainty. a
Knowledge is structured in consciousness is more than a truism. As
That is a very good point. It's also true that knowledge is different in
different universes. I tend to avoid universes in which catching a glimpse of
a toilet trout dims my mind.a
jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
This whole turd in the toilet problem (TTP) is just
another example of the confounding of states of mind
with pure consciousness. I have no problem believing
that the darshan of human waste would diminish ones
mental state due to its tamasic nature, but would it
impact pure consciousness, no.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
This whole turd in the toilet problem (TTP) is just
another example of the confounding of states of mind
with pure consciousness. I have no problem believing
that the darshan of human waste would diminish ones
mental state
Angela Mailander
Causation is a concept in trouble, and I for one,
am glad to hear it since it has always seemed
flimsy to me.
There are only two things that are certain in life, Angela:
death and taxes.
However, it is a generally accepted observation that human
excrement ALWAYS
jstein wrote:
If you don't experience a drain of whatever from
looking at a turd, it doesn't do your whatever
enough harm to worry about.
So, you DO visually examine your turds after each
evacuation - I thought so. Do they go down the outhouse
hole or float downstream? At my place, the hole
Can you deny that there is a universe, especially now that you've called it
into being, in which monkeys in fact fly outa your ass?
Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Angela Mailander
Causation is a concept in trouble, and I for one,
am glad to
Peter wrote:
This whole turd in the toilet problem (TTP) is just
another example of the confounding of states of mind
with pure consciousness.
Is there some kind of rule, Peter, where you live, that
turds ALWAYS have to be put in the toilet?
Angela Mailander wrote:
Can you deny that there is a universe, especially now
that you've called it into being, in which monkeys in
fact fly outa your ass?
In your dreams, maybe, or if you were high on magic
mushrooms, but if you think monkeys in fact are flying
outa your ass, maybe you
Is Toilet Paper vedic.? Or would Maharishi insist only on water to clean
up so that it keeps the consiousness pure.
Shemp thinks Butterflies come out of MMY.!!
Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 06:09:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quotes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Gary Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is very astute. I find myself getting caught up in anger
for just the reasons you state.
Don't we all.
In a bad way, it can feel good.
The problem with anger and the other toxic emotions
are that they are
Hi Barry,
This is very astute. I find myself getting caught up in anger for just the
reasons you state. In a bad way, it can feel good.
The problem with anger and the other toxic emotions
are that they are a *rush*. Your adrenaline starts
pumping, your heart races, and you feel *good*, in
a
Gary Smith wrote:
This is very astute. I find myself getting caught
up in anger for just the reasons you state.
TurquoiseB wrote:
Don't we all.
So, you're getting angry again.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
In this world
Hate never yet dispelled hate.
Only love dispels hate.
This is the law,
Ancient and inexhaustible.
Turquoise wrote:
No, that's how it is according to *one* ToK, theIMO degraded view of karma you
hear a lot fromHindu sources. They are the same sources who wouldhave you
believe that the victims of the last big hurricane deserved it. Buddhist
karma includes dependent origination (or
Dealing with someone who is angry and has some influence on
your life -- spouse, parent, boss, etc., ups the stakes.
The uncertainty of how far they are going to cross the line
of rationality and appropriate response is great. It can
be dicey.
TurquoiseB wrote:
But not
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Turquoise wrote:
No, that's how it is according to *one* ToK, theIMO degraded view
of karma you hear a lot fromHindu sources. They are the same sources
who wouldhave you believe that the victims of the last big
When the outside world hands you something undeserved,
Well, Angela, the outside world doesn't hand you anything
that is undeserved. You deserve everything you get, and for
a reason: everything happens for a reason, the result of cause
and effect. Karma means action - actions that are the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
In this world
Hate never yet dispelled hate.
Only love dispels hate.
I am sure that you are stating the immutable laws of your universe. My
universe is multiple, my path, apparently, is a puddle-jumping expedition from
universe to parallel universe. I have noticed on this path that God herself
lurches from one sublime uncertainty to another, and that she loves
Regarding shit happens for no cause -- IMO, that stems from a weak
and limited view of what is happening.
Well, then, according to you, karma is entirely fathomable? Is there free will
in your presumably less than limited view of what is happening?
Send instant messages to your online
Do you need a God to justify your views?
Did you notice -- as in empirically observe --- this God/herself? Or
is it simply a hypotheses that resonates with you? The God variable
simply fills up missing gaps in your understanding? And is comforting?
Justifying views based on (my, perhaps
God is only a manner of speaking. So no. On the other hand, who else is there? a
new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do you need a God to justify your views?
Did you notice -- as in empirically observe --- this God/herself? Or
is it simply a hypotheses that
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Regarding shit happens for no cause -- IMO, that stems from a weak
and limited view of what is happening.
Well, then, according to you, karma is entirely fathomable?
Is it to you?
My views are perhaps not as
Sure, I'm innerested. But as for according validity to any world view, I just
have too much experience in defending and/or defeating any and all possible
views I've ever encountered to put much emphasis on any of them. They're fun
to play with, though. a
new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Angela Mailander wrote:
I have noticed on this path that God herself lurches
from one sublime uncertainty to another, and that she
loves surprises.
Even the Gods and demi-Gods are subject to the law of
causation, Angela; there are no exceptions. All the Gods
are subject to karma and as soon
As I said, God is a manner of speaking. As there must be a manner to all
speaking, and as manners of speaking are endless, God, as a manner of speaking,
is an available manner which I use on occasion for a variety of rhetorical
purposes and ploys, perverse, inspired, scatological, as the
Whence your certainty?
Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Angela Mailander wrote:
I have noticed on this path that God herself lurches
from one sublime uncertainty to another, and that she
loves surprises.
Even the Gods and demi-Gods are subject
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Whence your certainty?
Yes. Its one thing to say my belief is that karma is a more
reasonable, for me, notion than the idea that there is eternal
damnation or universal chaos. Which his my view.
Its quite another
Cool. So now, where did I say that I believe in universal chaos and eternal
damnation? a
new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
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Whence your certainty?
Yes. Its one thing to say
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Cool. So now, where did I say that I believe in universal chaos and
eternal damnation? a
I was quoting R Williams, from the post I was responding too. See
second to the last. Did you look at that trout again!?
What goes around, comes around.
Angela Mailander wrote:
Whence your certainty?
It is an almost universal observation that what you sow,
so shall you reap. Almost everyone has experienced this.
The certainty of the laws of physics always indicate that
there is cause and there is effect.
Can
I studied that trout, and felt my energy go down the tubes with it, and my
intelligence followed suit. a
new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Cool. So now, where did I say that I
I'm not disputing the simple observation of what goes around, comes around.
But to move from that to gods and demi gods etc. seems fanciful to me. There
is some discussion that the big bang was uncaused. Causality itself is under
big time review among physicists who are also considering
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoted Buddha:
You will not be punished for your anger,
you will be punished by your anger.
This is the overall message in Dante's Divine Comedy as
well. And that
Dante thinks of sin merely as a natural consequence of action. For example,
Paolo and Francesca have committed adultery. The consequence, expressed
symbolically, is that they are together, but they are blown here and there by a
whirlwind. The implication is that they can't really relax and
I was interrupted, so in my last post the sentence got garbled. Sin to Dante
is merely an obstacle on a path, and it is an obstacle because there are
consequences to be worked out. The whirlwind is a consequence of Paolo and
Francesca's action. The difference between hell and purgatory for
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In this world
Hate never yet dispelled hate.
Only love dispels hate.
This is the law,
Ancient and inexhaustible.
*
Anger is like a chariot careening wildly.
He who curbs
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was interrupted, so in my last post the sentence got garbled.
Sin to Dante is merely an obstacle on a path, and it is an obstacle
because there are consequences to be worked out. The whirlwind is a
consequence of
You could say that there is no sin in Dante's world. You pay a price. And he
observed that there are lots of folks in the world who suffer but who do not
know why they suffer. From his point of view, they are in hell. They do not
remember that they are paying a price for something. That is
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