[FairfieldLife] Re: Role of Vedic Pundits

2006-10-30 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ 
wrote:
 
  Dr Morris: `Maharishi, … how do the Vedic performances of Vedic 
  Pandits work to secure the integration—you mentioned the 
  word integration—of national consciousness as the basis for 
making 
  a nation invincible? How does the Vedic Pandits' programme work 
to 
  create this effect?'
  
  Maharishi:
  `Because the Vedic words are the words of the transcendental 
field, 
  being the structuring dynamics of the transcendental field, they 
are 
  not limited to space and time. That means when one word is 
  pronounced 
  its effect is everywhere, everywhere. This has given the Vedic 
  language the authority to produce the effect anywhere in space 
and 
  time from one place in space and time—anywhere in the universe 
from 
  anywhere in the universe.
 
 Dr. Morris:
 Uh, if the effect is everywhere, from anywhere, why 
 was it so important to move the pundits to America? 
 Wouldn't their chanting have been as effective in India?
 
 Maharishi:
 Yes, but their value in fundraising would not have been.
 Where are your *priorities*, Bevan? No soup for you.

The importance of moving the pandits/pundits to the US is their  
consciousness is now on the US. Its a subtle thing and has a direct 
effect on the celestial attention on the US also. Should help with 
fundraising too, only because the TMO will now be more effective.;-)




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Role of Vedic Pundits

2006-10-30 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ 
 wrote:
  
   Maharishi:
   `Because the Vedic words are the words of the transcendental 
   field, 
   being the structuring dynamics of the transcendental field,  
   they are 
   not limited to space and time. That means when one word is 
   pronounced 
   its effect is everywhere, everywhere. This has given the Vedic 
   language the authority to produce the effect anywhere in space 
   and time from one place in space and time—anywhere in the 
   universe from anywhere in the universe.
  
  Dr. Morris:
  Uh, if the effect is everywhere, from anywhere, why 
  was it so important to move the pundits to America? 
  Wouldn't their chanting have been as effective in India?
  
  Maharishi:
  Yes, but their value in fundraising would not have been.
  Where are your *priorities*, Bevan? No soup for you.
 
 The importance of moving the pandits/pundits to the US is their  
 consciousness is now on the US. Its a subtle thing and has a direct 
 effect on the celestial attention on the US also. Should help with 
 fundraising too, only because the TMO will now be more effective.;-)

Just as a question, it doesn't bother you that your
theory above (in the first two sentences) is in direct
contradiction to what Maharishi actually said?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Role of Vedic Pundits

2006-10-30 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ 
  wrote:
   
Maharishi:
`Because the Vedic words are the words of the transcendental 
field, 
being the structuring dynamics of the transcendental field,  
they are 
not limited to space and time. That means when one word is 
pronounced 
its effect is everywhere, everywhere. This has given the 
Vedic 
language the authority to produce the effect anywhere in 
space 
and time from one place in space and time—anywhere in the 
universe from anywhere in the universe.
   
   Dr. Morris:
   Uh, if the effect is everywhere, from anywhere, why 
   was it so important to move the pundits to America? 
   Wouldn't their chanting have been as effective in India?
   
   Maharishi:
   Yes, but their value in fundraising would not have been.
   Where are your *priorities*, Bevan? No soup for you.
  
  The importance of moving the pandits/pundits to the US is their  
  consciousness is now on the US. Its a subtle thing and has a 
direct 
  effect on the celestial attention on the US also. Should help 
with 
  fundraising too, only because the TMO will now be more 
effective.;-)
 
 Just as a question, it doesn't bother you that your
 theory above (in the first two sentences) is in direct
 contradiction to what Maharishi actually said?

Good question- I went back and read all of bob's posting regarding 
Maharishi's talk about the Yagyas performed by the pundits. It 
doesn't specifically address the physical placement of the pundits 
relative to the object of focus of the Yagya, while they are 
performing the Yagya, though it is clear about the effects of the 
Yagya transcending time and space.

So based on what I know today, I am comfortable with the conclusion 
I reached earlier regarding the pundits' attention (I said 
consciousness earler, but I think 'attention' is a better word for 
what I am trying to say) being on the US.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Role of Vedic Pundits

2006-10-30 Thread TurquoiseB
  Just as a question, it doesn't bother you that your
  theory above (in the first two sentences) is in direct
  contradiction to what Maharishi actually said?

 Good question- I went back and read all of bob's posting regarding 
 Maharishi's talk about the Yagyas performed by the pundits. It 
 doesn't specifically address the physical placement of the pundits 
 relative to the object of focus of the Yagya, while they are 
 performing the Yagya, though it is clear about the effects of the 
 Yagya transcending time and space.
 
 So based on what I know today, I am comfortable with the conclusion 
 I reached earlier regarding the pundits' attention (I said 
 consciousness earler, but I think 'attention' is a better word for 
 what I am trying to say) being on the US.

I wasn't trying to change your mind. I think that
attention is probably more of a factor in the effect
(if there is one) than the verses being chanted or 
the ceremony being performed, personally. 

I was just curious whether you'd noticed that your 
theory was not in agreement with what Maharishi 
actually said.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Role of Vedic Pundits

2006-10-30 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

   Just as a question, it doesn't bother you that your
   theory above (in the first two sentences) is in direct
   contradiction to what Maharishi actually said?
 
  Good question- I went back and read all of bob's posting 
regarding 
  Maharishi's talk about the Yagyas performed by the pundits. It 
  doesn't specifically address the physical placement of the 
pundits 
  relative to the object of focus of the Yagya, while they are 
  performing the Yagya, though it is clear about the effects of 
the 
  Yagya transcending time and space.
  
  So based on what I know today, I am comfortable with the 
conclusion 
  I reached earlier regarding the pundits' attention (I said 
  consciousness earler, but I think 'attention' is a better word 
for 
  what I am trying to say) being on the US.
 
 I wasn't trying to change your mind. 

Yep.

I think that
 attention is probably more of a factor in the effect
 (if there is one) than the verses being chanted or 
 the ceremony being performed, personally. 

Its surprising what the effects are.
 
 I was just curious whether you'd noticed that your 
 theory was not in agreement with what Maharishi 
 actually said.

Yeah- that's why I went back and read the full excerpt. No 
contradiction as far as I can tell.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Role of Vedic Pundits

2006-10-30 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ 
  wrote:
   
Maharishi:
`Because the Vedic words are the words of the transcendental 
field, 
being the structuring dynamics of the transcendental field,  
they are 
not limited to space and time. That means when one word is 
pronounced 
its effect is everywhere, everywhere. This has given the Vedic 
language the authority to produce the effect anywhere in space 
and time from one place in space and time—anywhere in the 
universe from anywhere in the universe.
   
   Dr. Morris:
   Uh, if the effect is everywhere, from anywhere, why 
   was it so important to move the pundits to America? 
   Wouldn't their chanting have been as effective in India?
   
   Maharishi:
   Yes, but their value in fundraising would not have been.
   Where are your *priorities*, Bevan? No soup for you.
  
  The importance of moving the pandits/pundits to the US is their  
  consciousness is now on the US. Its a subtle thing and has a direct 
  effect on the celestial attention on the US also. Should help with 
  fundraising too, only because the TMO will now be more effective.;-)
 
 Just as a question, it doesn't bother you that your
 theory above (in the first two sentences) is in direct
 contradiction to what Maharishi actually said?


A single photon of light can have an effect anywhere in the universe. The idea 
of the 
extended Maharishi Effect is that the meditation of the Yogic Flyers, and by 
extension, of 
the Vedic pundits, has a constructive interference effect that is the square 
of the number 
of participants. In other words, 1700 Yogic Flyers practicing together in the 
same vicinity 
and at the same time, reinforce each other's affect, and in a relatively small 
area, have  1.7 
thousand times the effect on their local surroundings as would be expected from 
1700 
yogic flyers acting separately. The same phenomenon is found in any kind of 
wave, 
including light. The affect from the light is concentrated locally due to the 
constructive 
interference affect.

According to ME theory, the  effect from the group Yogic Flying should be 
sufficient to 
affect the rest of the USA IN A NOTICABLE WAY. That is the key: the effect is 
felt 
everywhere regardless of number or group or non-group, but only within the 
range of the 
constructive interference, will the effect be measureable. 


By extension, the action of a group of the Maharishi Vedic Pundits, being 
oh-so-much-
more coherent than non-Maharishi-Vedic-Pundits (pandits?) should show a similar 
N-
squared phenomenon: Their effect will be magnified in their local vicinity. 500 
might not 
be enough to affect the entire USA, but apparently, they expect 2000 of them to 
arrive in 
Fairfield eventually, which by analogy to the Yogic Flyer's effect. would be 
enough to affect 
all of the USA.

Even the 500 pundits, if the theory is even remotely correct, should have some 
noticable 
affect on a smaller region, especially on those participating in the Fairfield 
course.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Role of Vedic Pundits

2006-10-30 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
 wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
   wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ 
   wrote:

 Maharishi:
 `Because the Vedic words are the words of the transcendental 
 field, 
 being the structuring dynamics of the transcendental field,  
 they are 
 not limited to space and time. That means when one word is 
 pronounced 
 its effect is everywhere, everywhere. This has given the 
 Vedic 
 language the authority to produce the effect anywhere in 
 space 
 and time from one place in space and time—anywhere in the 
 universe from anywhere in the universe.

Dr. Morris:
Uh, if the effect is everywhere, from anywhere, why 
was it so important to move the pundits to America? 
Wouldn't their chanting have been as effective in India?

Maharishi:
Yes, but their value in fundraising would not have been.
Where are your *priorities*, Bevan? No soup for you.
   
   The importance of moving the pandits/pundits to the US is their  
   consciousness is now on the US. Its a subtle thing and has a 
 direct 
   effect on the celestial attention on the US also. Should help 
 with 
   fundraising too, only because the TMO will now be more 
 effective.;-)
  
  Just as a question, it doesn't bother you that your
  theory above (in the first two sentences) is in direct
  contradiction to what Maharishi actually said?
 
 Good question- I went back and read all of bob's posting regarding 
 Maharishi's talk about the Yagyas performed by the pundits. It 
 doesn't specifically address the physical placement of the pundits 
 relative to the object of focus of the Yagya, while they are 
 performing the Yagya, though it is clear about the effects of the 
 Yagya transcending time and space.
 
 So based on what I know today, I am comfortable with the conclusion 
 I reached earlier regarding the pundits' attention (I said 
 consciousness earler, but I think 'attention' is a better word for 
 what I am trying to say) being on the US.


If they have some environmental impact based on the location of their practice, 
than the 
people most likely to receive that benefit would be the Yogic Flyers living in 
Fairfield, no?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Role of Vedic Pundits

2006-10-30 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Just as a question, it doesn't bother you that your
   theory above (in the first two sentences) is in direct
   contradiction to what Maharishi actually said?
 
  Good question- I went back and read all of bob's posting regarding 
  Maharishi's talk about the Yagyas performed by the pundits. It 
  doesn't specifically address the physical placement of the pundits 
  relative to the object of focus of the Yagya, while they are 
  performing the Yagya, though it is clear about the effects of the 
  Yagya transcending time and space.
  
  So based on what I know today, I am comfortable with the conclusion 
  I reached earlier regarding the pundits' attention (I said 
  consciousness earler, but I think 'attention' is a better word for 
  what I am trying to say) being on the US.
 
 I wasn't trying to change your mind. I think that
 attention is probably more of a factor in the effect
 (if there is one) than the verses being chanted or 
 the ceremony being performed, personally. 
 
 I was just curious whether you'd noticed that your 
 theory was not in agreement with what Maharishi 
 actually said.


There is the question of what effect the physical location of the pundits has. 
Is there none, 
or is there an effect on the local vicinity of the practice, by virtue of their 
physical 
presence? Is this effect synergistic ala the ME? Is it distance-related in some 
sense? Is it 
different than the effect of their chanting or is it related? Does it enhance 
the effect of 
Yogic Flying in some way? Etc.

I don't know that any of these questions is even worth asking, but assuming 
that the ME 
exists and that the extended ME exists (N-squared effect), and that the pundits 
can have 
ANY kind of affect on the universe due to their chanting specific verses of the 
Vedas, the 
above questions aren't out-of-line.

Those are a lot of assumptions, but for those who accept some of the premises 
that MMY 
does, such as the ultimate ahimsa being samadhi and that it has a constructive 
field effect, 
the above are relevant questions.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Role of Vedic Pundits

2006-10-30 Thread Jason Spock



   Consciousness is Omnipresent. Then why move it to US.?? Has the TM-org ever been effective.?? Too many cooks spoil the Soup.?? No soup for Jimbo says Maharishi.??jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:36:06 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Role of Vedic Pundits  The importance of moving the pandits/pundits to the US is their consciousness is now on the US. Its
 a subtle thing and has a direct effect on the celestial attention on the US also. Should help with fundraising too, only because the TMO will now be more effective.;- )TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:10:59 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Role of Vedic Pundits  --- bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] . wrote: Dr Morris: `Maharishi, … how do the Vedic performances of Vedic  Pandits work to secure the integration—you mentioned the  word "integration"— of
 national consciousness as the basis for making  a nation invincible? How does the Vedic Pandits' programme work to  create this effect?'  Maharishi: `Because the Vedic words are the words of the transcendental field,  being the structuring dynamics of the transcendental field, they are  not limited to space and time. That means when one word is  pronounced  its effect is everywhere, everywhere. This has given the Vedic  language the authority to produce the effect anywhere in space and  time from one place in space and time—anywhere in the universe from  anywhere in the universe.Dr. Morris:Uh, if the effect is "everywhere, " from "anywhere," why was it so important to move the pundits to America? Wouldn't their chanting have been as effective in India?Maharishi:Yes, but their value in fundraising would not have
 been.Where are your *priorities* , Bevan? No soup for you. 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Role of Vedic Pundits

2006-10-30 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
   wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante 
no_reply@ 
   wrote:

 Maharishi:
 `Because the Vedic words are the words of the 
transcendental 
 field, 
 being the structuring dynamics of the transcendental 
field,  
 they are 
 not limited to space and time. That means when one word is 
 pronounced 
 its effect is everywhere, everywhere. This has given the 
Vedic 
 language the authority to produce the effect anywhere in 
space 
 and time from one place in space and time—anywhere in the 
 universe from anywhere in the universe.

Dr. Morris:
Uh, if the effect is everywhere, from anywhere, why 
was it so important to move the pundits to America? 
Wouldn't their chanting have been as effective in India?

Maharishi:
Yes, but their value in fundraising would not have been.
Where are your *priorities*, Bevan? No soup for you.
   
   The importance of moving the pandits/pundits to the US is 
their  
   consciousness is now on the US. Its a subtle thing and has a 
direct 
   effect on the celestial attention on the US also. Should help 
with 
   fundraising too, only because the TMO will now be more 
effective.;-)
  
  Just as a question, it doesn't bother you that your
  theory above (in the first two sentences) is in direct
  contradiction to what Maharishi actually said?
 
 
 A single photon of light can have an effect anywhere in the 
universe. The idea of the 
 extended Maharishi Effect is that the meditation of the Yogic 
Flyers, and by extension, of 
 the Vedic pundits, has a constructive interference effect that is 
the square of the number 
 of participants. In other words, 1700 Yogic Flyers practicing 
together in the same vicinity 
 and at the same time, reinforce each other's affect, and in a 
relatively small area, have  1.7 
 thousand times the effect on their local surroundings as would be 
expected from 1700 
 yogic flyers acting separately. The same phenomenon is found in any 
kind of wave, 
 including light. The affect from the light is concentrated locally 
due to the constructive 
 interference affect.
 
 According to ME theory, the  effect from the group Yogic Flying 
should be sufficient to 
 affect the rest of the USA IN A NOTICABLE WAY. That is the key: the 
effect is felt 
 everywhere regardless of number or group or non-group, but only 
within the range of the 
 constructive interference, will the effect be measureable. 
 
 
 By extension, the action of a group of the Maharishi Vedic Pundits, 
being oh-so-much-
 more coherent than non-Maharishi-Vedic-Pundits (pandits?) should 
show a similar N-
 squared phenomenon: Their effect will be magnified in their local 
vicinity. 500 might not 
 be enough to affect the entire USA, but apparently, they expect 
2000 of them to arrive in 
 Fairfield eventually, which by analogy to the Yogic Flyer's effect. 
would be enough to affect 
 all of the USA.
 
 Even the 500 pundits, if the theory is even remotely correct, 
should have some noticable 
 affect on a smaller region, especially on those participating in 
the Fairfield course.


*

I like the following example to show the widespread effects of any 
action: you run a comb through your hair on a dry day, then wave the 
comb in an arc -- an EM wave is generated which in less than two 
seconds bounces off the moon, and continues to propagate widely ( 
http://www.fnal.gov/pub/inquiring/more/light/light_page4.html )

The more pundits/group meditators there are, the more intense the 
wave of life-supporting that is propagated, and the greater the 
effects on the environment.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Role of Vedic Pundits

2006-10-30 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I like the following example to show the widespread effects of any 
 action: you run a comb through your hair on a dry day, then wave the 
 comb in an arc -- an EM wave is generated which in less than two 
 seconds bounces off the moon, and continues to propagate widely ( 
 http://www.fnal.gov/pub/inquiring/more/light/light_page4.html )
 
 The more pundits/group meditators there are, the more intense the 
 wave of life-supporting that is propagated, and the greater the 
 effects on the environment.


Even if 500 or 5000 people waved their combs in unison in a room, it is 
doubtful that a 
detector on the moon would detect them. However, it is conceivable that a 
detector in the 
next room might, possibly due to the N-squared effect (not sure how you would 
induce the 
effect with comb-transmitters--the waving-in-unison thing is just a guess).




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Role of Vedic Pundits

2006-10-29 Thread TurquoiseB
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 Dr Morris: `Maharishi, … how do the Vedic performances of Vedic 
 Pandits work to secure the integration—you mentioned the 
 word integration—of national consciousness as the basis for making 
 a nation invincible? How does the Vedic Pandits' programme work to 
 create this effect?'
 
 Maharishi:
 `Because the Vedic words are the words of the transcendental field, 
 being the structuring dynamics of the transcendental field, they are 
 not limited to space and time. That means when one word is 
 pronounced 
 its effect is everywhere, everywhere. This has given the Vedic 
 language the authority to produce the effect anywhere in space and 
 time from one place in space and time—anywhere in the universe from 
 anywhere in the universe.

Dr. Morris:
Uh, if the effect is everywhere, from anywhere, why 
was it so important to move the pundits to America? 
Wouldn't their chanting have been as effective in India?

Maharishi:
Yes, but their value in fundraising would not have been.
Where are your *priorities*, Bevan? No soup for you.






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