Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another Account of Financial Fraud and Danger
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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another Account of Financial Fraud and Danger
I forwarded Bronte’s post to a friend whom I thought might be in a position to respond to it, and here’s her response: Here's what I know about the charges. I'm in a bit of a unique situation as I'm sure I know the original poster. His name is Gary A., and we used to be friends when we were both SRF people who had just come to Amma. He's stayed at my house and I've stayed at his (former) house in the Bay area. His spiritual name (given by Amma) is Aniruddhan, a name he has posted under. I suspect that he himself is the consultant who went to India. The truth is that he was living with a nurse, Donna (also SRF), who was actually asked to go to the AIMS hospital as a consultant, and he thought he'd go there and snoop around, see what he could find out. (He told me that before he went there.) There my clarity disappears. I know he was not happy with what he found and actually confronted Amma Herself about it. My friend M. told me that. It was while they were on tour, by the side of the road outside her motorhome. Since he received no satisfaction, he apparently made it his mission to expose Amma. What I do know about Gary is that on a personal level he turned out (again according to M.) to be a real creep towards Donna. I can't recall all the details, but I know she caught him going online and soliciting dates with other women. Then when she broke up with him, he began making threatening phone calls to her--or something like that. Since he can't seem to maintain a relationship with a woman, if you know the right sites online, you could probably pretend to be a comely lass and mention your interest in Ammachi and he might even still be out there cruising. So on a personal level he's a troubled guy. I don't know what to think about the charges, which I have read before on other sites. I do know a former nun who also says that Amma has yelled You sons of bitches get on the bus! when she was on tour in India. That is factual, as far as I can tell. I know that when my friend Laurie was treated at the AIMS Hospital (for a staph infection) her surgery, medicines, and treatment for five days was about $14, which struck us as extremely reasonable. Since she would have been considered wealthy by Indian standards, they could have charged several times that and she would not have minded. But they didn't. I have no idea (other than offical Ammadom) where you could go to get the real scoop. If I go to India again, I'd like to go to the orphanage and check out Gary's charges. That should be pretty easy to verify. Previously when I've thought deeply about these charges, what I've come down to is that Amma is a genuine saint and Gary is a troubled soul. So I'm sticking with Amma. One thing's for sure: No poor people would have been treated at AIMS if Amma hadn't built it. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1096 - Release Date: 10/27/2007 11:02 AM
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another Account of Financial Fraud and Danger
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 12:21 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another Account of Financial Fraud and Danger Much like yourself, I might add. Nobody can challenge your lies because you yourself operate with anonymous witnesess. It's ironic that the shit you are spreading here hits the fan and hits your own guru. I think she can handle it - I hope you can live with it. Nabsters, I want to point out what I perceive as a difference in the way you and I respond to this kind of stuff. My response to the Amma stuff was to say “I can’t refute these points because I haven’t witnessed any of it first hand or spoken to anyone who has. I suggest you post it to such-and-such site where more experienced people may respond. My experience so far has been positive.” I also emailed a friend who might know more and posted her response, which corroborated some of the accusations and cast doubt on others. Your response to the Maharishi stuff, as well as Amma, Sai Baba, Muktananda, etc. stuff is to say “It’s all lies. I don’t believe any of it.” The fact is, you don’t know with certainty if it’s all lies, or some of it, or none of it. All you know, perhaps unconsciously, is that it considering that it might be true makes you uncomfortable because it clashes with what you believe, or want to believe. It’s like a Christian saying “I believe Christ was born of a virgin and rose from the dead.” Believing that is fine, but there’s a difference between believing and knowing. The Christian really thinks those things happened, because it shakes his world if he questions them. He therefore dismisses anyone who asks him to question them as doomed to hell, or otherwise faithless and deluded. In other words, he trashes the messenger because it’s too uncomfortable to contemplate the message. It would require too much change in his life and beliefs if the message were true, even partially. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1096 - Release Date: 10/27/2007 11:02 AM
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another Account of Financial Fraud and Danger
Some other tidbits from my friend. In case you’re losing track of the relevance of this, Aniruddhan is the fellow who wrote the thing Bronte posted. Dear MH, Thanks for the great reply. Mind if I share it without revealing your identity? Yes, I, too, thought that Aniruddhan is creating future hell for himself. My heart tells me not to buy into the stuff he's saying. Much love, J --- MHC wrote: J--Well I did find it mildly interesting in the same way I find gosip mildy interesting--it passes the time. Perhaps all the dirt is true, I don't know. Many people look for things to be logical and make sense and I don't do that around Mother anymore if I ever did. I''ve cast my lot with her and If she turns out to be a false Messiah or whatever, well, I guess I'll go down with the ship. And if she turns out to be the real thing as I am convinced beyond any shodow of a doubt that she is, well, she'd better take me with her in that case too. I'm stuck on Master's words: Loyatly is the highest virtue. Poor Anniruddin. J wrote:Dear MH, I'm forwarding this to you because the post in question (the SRF walrus site is actually an anti-SRF board, no doubt handled by Ananda.) concerns our old friend Aniruddhan. In fact, from the flawless prose, the use of a pseudonym, etc. I think the poster is probably none other than he, representing himself as only knowing the guy who was doing consulting. (I thought it was Donna doing the actual consulting.) I know Aniruddhan always loved peudonyms and often used them on e-mails he sent me. Love, J No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1096 - Release Date: 10/27/2007 11:02 AM
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another Account of Financial Fraud and Danger
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lurkernomore20002000 Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 4:38 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another Account of Financial Fraud and Danger MHC wrote: J--Well I did find it mildly interesting in the same way I find gosip mildy interesting--it passes the time. Perhaps all the dirt is true, I don't know. Many people look for things to be logical and make sense and I don't do that around Mother anymore if I ever did. I''ve cast my lot with her and If she turns out to be a false Messiah or whatever, well, I guess I'll go down with the ship. And if she turns out to be the real thing as I am convinced beyond any shodow of a doubt that she is, well, she'd better take me with her in that case too. I'm stuck on Master's words: Loyatly is the highest virtue. Poor Anniruddin. Lurk: Yowzer. I'm tryin to think if this was me 25 years ago. I hope not. Kinda sums up cult mentality. Yeah, I posted that in the spirit of full disclosure, not because I thought it would strengthen my case. I’m not the blind loyalty type. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1096 - Release Date: 10/27/2007 11:02 AM
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another Account of Financial Fraud and Danger
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 4:56 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another Account of Financial Fraud and Danger You are trying to justify that you are spreading rumours. Wether they are true or false, contentwise, are of no importance. At least to me. The stuff you are spreading about MMy could be true or not. It is of no importance for me if it is true, as I have stated before. It does not diminish his positive influence on my life or the influence he has had and continue to have on the life of this planet. I agree with you on that. All it does is make me take everything he says with a grain of salt. In other words, I don’t think, as I once did, that “everything he says must be true because he’s enlightened.” It also raises interesting questions regarding the correlation of ethics and higher states of consciousness. Are they as tightly correlated as Maharishi said they were? Apparently not. Is there any absolute value to ethical standards or are they just a matter of culture and personal preference? The reason I labelled you white trash is because you are thriving in that gossip. “Thriving” is not a verb I would have chosen. Gossip without substance because your source does not want to talk. But they’ve talked to me, so for me it has substance and is more than gossip. But you will continue without doubt. You bring it up more often than I do. Even though your ways and lack of principle and honour are subtly hurting your own guru, but not touching her as she is beyond that, by sowing doubt and division in the minds of her followers. It’s not clear to me how I am doing that. Please explain. Different stories, same lack of honour and discipline lies at their foundation in the minds of characters like yourself. May you be able to live with that. Last time I checked my heart was still beating. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1096 - Release Date: 10/27/2007 11:02 AM
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another Account of Financial Fraud and Danger
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of brontebaxter8 Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 7:32 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another Account of Financial Fraud and Danger --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some other tidbits from my friend. In case you're losing track of the relevance of this, Aniruddhan is the fellow who wrote the thing Bronte posted. Rick, I AM losing track. I posted a number of things, not just one, so which piece are you referring to? Who was the Joint Secretary in charge of accounts -- are you saying now that guy was only a consultant, never Amma's joint secretary as claimed? Or are we talking about two different people? It would be helpful, in referencing an item, if your friends and you would quote from it so the readers can identify which article they're referring to. I’m afraid I can’t keep it straight myself, but my friend whose response I posted has joined FFL. Perhaps she’ll clarify things. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1097 - Release Date: 10/28/2007 1:58 PM
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another Account of Financial Fraud and Danger
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of brontebaxter8 Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 7:49 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another Account of Financial Fraud and Danger Rick wrote: Yeah, I posted that in the spirit of full disclosure, not because I thought it would strengthen my case. I'm not the blind loyalty type. Bronte writes: Archer, if you really hold the attitude you expressed in your long post to Nabloss today, and here, you won't be misled for long. Just as you saw through the illusions of TM eventually. Good for you for examining these things. The answers are out there. Check out the archives on that ex-amma website, and you will get reams of first-person accounts from long-term devotees, many of whom served in the Indian ashram for years and years before leaving. Don't be afraid of researching this, of finding out more truth. It can only lead you to still better things. I also know people much closer to Amma than these critics ever were. I’ve driven and chatted with the woman who is Amma’s private attendant – who sleeps in her room, etc., as well as her public attendant. These two are with her 24/7. I was very impressed with both of them. They are down-to-earth, unassuming, natural, good-humored, and not at all weird or secretive about Amma, the way their counterparts in the TM movement would probably be. They may be unaware of the things you bring up, but I doubt it because they are like her shadows, and hear everything. In fact, not only those two, but the swamis who have been with her for decades would impress just about anyone with their simplicity, humility, and genuineness. Maharishi used to say that you can judge the quality of a guru by the quality of the people around him, and if that is true, these folks are an impressive testimonial. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1097 - Release Date: 10/28/2007 1:58 PM
