Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: If it quacks like a duck
On 12/21/2013 11:12 AM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote: Re ducks: Camille Paglia wades in . . . “I speak with authority here, because I was openly gay before the 'Stonewall rebellion' when it cost you something to be so. And I personally feel as a libertarian that people have the right to free thought and free speech. In a democratic country, people have the right to be homophobic as well as they have the right to support homosexuality — as I 100 per cent do. If people are basing their views against gays on the Bible, again they have a right of religious freedom there. “I remember the broad 1960s era commitment to free speech. There was a special zeal to protect those who said outrageous things. Today, we’re back to the kind of repression that in the 60s seemed to belong to the 1950s. What the hell happened?” The Baby Boomers turned into The Man. Also, we don’t need an ostensibly-neutral ideal to shelter communists anymore. http://althouse.blogspot.com/camille-paglia-says-duck-dynasty-debate.html http://althouse.blogspot.com/2013/12/camille-paglia-says-duck-dynasty-debate.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: If it quacks like a duck
Just for the record, it looks like I'm the only Duck Dynasty watcher on this list. But,has anyone else looked to see what other reality shows are on AE? It is very revealing (no pun intended). On 12/22/2013 8:25 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote: ReThe Baby Boomers turned into The Man.: Not me! And why not me? Did my parents instill into me the importance of free speech? Nope. Did my teachers instill into me the importance of free speech? Nope. Did my friends instill into me the importance of free speech? Nope. Did politicians instill into me the importance of free speech? Nope. I suspect it's just that I grew up in a society in which no one *ever* said to a fellow human being You can't say that!. And on TV there were always lively debates in which each side passionately argued their case. Some years back I was watching the box and Artur Axmann, the former head of the Hitler Youth, was talking. I was astonished he was still alive as I assumed he'd died during the Battle of Berlin. And if not, surely the Allies would have had him executed at Nuremberg (he was responsible for sending thousands of young Germans (boys) to their deaths in a futile, last-ditch defence of the capital). He was arguing that the wrong side won the War. Just take a look at present-day America, he said! I thought it would make a fascinating TV debate to have Axmann and a Japanese debate with two opponents the motion: The world would be a better place if the Axis powers had won the war. I suspect that kind of even-handedness would be incomprehensible to an overwhelming proportion of the population today. Here's Axmann with his hero in the last days of the Reich: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVokN6nXMF8
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: If it quacks like a duck
I just watching Fox and Friends and it was mentioned that AE was familiar with Phil Robertson's religious point's of view and asked him, from the very beginning(maybe in his contract), not to speak about them. He may have violated his contract. On Friday, December 20, 2013 8:20 PM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: If they don't put that caveat in, the opinion may go viral, and then the cereal, anti-depressant, adult diaper, and Lexus manufacturers, for example, may decide to withhold sponsorship. Then the stock goes down, and all the rich people making money off their long-term capital gains, vs. working, get pissed, and tell the network to fucking fix things, or else. So it goes.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: If it quacks like a duck
Saraphita, Phil Robertson didn't say it on the program, he said it in a magazine interview. What he spoke was truth, however it wasn't the truth that is sweet. It was quite rude, crude and offensive to some. His comments were not limited to scripture and were very opinionated. I'm all for free speech myself but AE has that right as well. What I find particularly offensive is justifying his comments as Biblical and in line with the teachings of Christ. Phil has knowledge of His teachings but has not put it into practice very well, in this case. Look at the story of the adulteress that was brought to Christ for judgment. Never once did He condemn her or chastise her, though she was guilty as *sin*. He did chastise the crowd, including the Pharisees that brought her to Him, demanding judgment. Sin is between man/woman and God, not society. Hours before Christ was taken into captivity, He gave those that follow him a new and eleventh commandment, *to love one another as He has loved them* and that was without condition because all are sinners. Phil Robertson would do well to study and meditate upon that scripture and learn to put it into practice. Judge not lest ye be judged. Every birth is a learning experience. He'll work it out. On Thursday, December 19, 2013 8:54 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/19/2013 10:30 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote: Re Which is more important: following PC or being free?: Who wants to conform? Let freedom reign. Richard: how come I started this thread but your post (So, lets review what we know) now appears *first* in the list? That's a neat trick! It's called magic, but sometimes it's called F.U.B.A.R. (see my previous post on this subject). P.S. If you post a thread with the same exact subject title as a previous post with the same exact subject title, the message you post will be appended to the first post with that subject title. You have to be careful about this and stay alert, because I've posted using almost t every subject title you would ever think of. At this point, it would be a real challenge to think of any new subjects to post, since I've been posting here for a decade or longer. Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: If it quacks like a duck
Mike, I don't agree with you that What he spoke was truth, but the rest of this is extremely well said. Mike wrote: Saraphita, Phil Robertson didn't say it on the program, he said it in a magazine interview. What he spoke was truth, however it wasn't the truth that is sweet. It was quite rude, crude and offensive to some. His comments were not limited to scripture and were very opinionated. I'm all for free speech myself but AE has that right as well. What I find particularly offensive is justifying his comments as Biblical and in line with the teachings of Christ. Phil has knowledge of His teachings but has not put it into practice very well, in this case. Look at the story of the adulteress that was brought to Christ for judgment. Never once did He condemn her or chastise her, though she was guilty as *sin*. He did chastise the crowd, including the Pharisees that brought her to Him, demanding judgment. Sin is between man/woman and God, not society. Hours before Christ was taken into captivity, He gave those that follow him a new and eleventh commandment, *to love one another as He has loved them* and that was without condition because all are sinners. Phil Robertson would do well to study and meditate upon that scripture and learn to put it into practice. Judge not lest ye be judged. Every birth is a learning experience. He'll work it out.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: If it quacks like a duck
When I said *truth*, I wasn't referring to his entire statement, I was referring to his crude,paraphrased comments from Corinthians. I haven't read the entire article, only bits and pieces taken from the article. On Friday, December 20, 2013 7:58 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Mike, I don't agree with you that What he spoke was truth, but the rest of this is extremely well said. Mike wrote: Saraphita, Phil Robertson didn't say it on the program, he said it in a magazine interview. What he spoke was truth, however it wasn't the truth that is sweet. It was quite rude, crude and offensive to some. His comments were not limited to scripture and were very opinionated. I'm all for free speech myself but AE has that right as well. What I find particularly offensive is justifying his comments as Biblical and in line with the teachings of Christ. Phil has knowledge of His teachings but has not put it into practice very well, in this case. Look at the story of the adulteress that was brought to Christ for judgment. Never once did He condemn her or chastise her, though she was guilty as *sin*. He did chastise the crowd, including the Pharisees that brought her to Him, demanding judgment. Sin is between man/woman and God, not society. Hours before Christ was taken into captivity, He gave those that follow him a new and eleventh commandment, *to love one another as He has loved them* and that was without condition because all are sinners. Phil Robertson would do well to study and meditate upon that scripture and learn to put it into practice. Judge not lest ye be judged. Every birth is a learning experience. He'll work it out.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: If it quacks like a duck
God forbid there should be a show on TV based on family values and praying at the dinner table. How dare that Robertson guy express his faith-based opinions to that magazine like that. This is Amerika! The whole family should quit the show and teach AE a lesson - who needs a camera in your face all day, when you're already a millionaire? I mean, look what happened to Ozzie and Sharon Osbourne and Bruce and Chris Kardashian. On 12/20/2013 10:05 AM, Mike Dixon wrote: When I said *truth*, I wasn't referring to his entire statement, I was referring to his crude,paraphrased comments from Corinthians.I haven't read the entire article, only bits and pieces taken from the article. On Friday, December 20, 2013 7:58 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Mike, I don't agree with you that What he spoke was truth, but the rest of this is extremely well said. Mike wrote: Saraphita, Phil Robertson didn't say it on the program, he said it in a magazine interview. What he spoke was truth, however it wasn't the truth that is sweet. It was quite rude, crude and offensive to some. His comments were not limited to scripture and were very opinionated. I'm all for free speech myself but AE has that right as well. What I find particularly offensive is justifying his comments as Biblical and in line with the teachings of Christ. Phil has knowledge of His teachings but has not put it into practice very well, in this case. Look at the story of the adulteress that was brought to Christ for judgment. Never once did He condemn her or chastise her, though she was guilty as *sin*. He did chastise the crowd, including the Pharisees that brought her to Him, demanding judgment. Sin is between man/woman and God, not society. Hours before Christ was taken into captivity, He gave those that follow him a new and eleventh commandment, *to love one another as He has loved them* and that was without condition because all are sinners. Phil Robertson would do well to study and meditate upon that scripture and learn to put it into practice. Judge not lest ye be judged. Every birth is a learning experience. He'll work it out.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: If it quacks like a duck
I'm not so sure anyone is upset about the Robertson's faith or religion. Justifying disparaging comments and opinions on his religion is a different story. In fact, it may be worse. Christ forgave and blessed the adulteress with I don't condemn you and go and sin no more.She left blessed. He said nothing of the sort to the crowd that wanted to kill her(based on their faith and religion). They left feeling ashamed. I think the Robertsons' are already back tracking and admitting what was said was crude and unnecessary. I have no doubt that they have been forced to think about this in a way that has never occured to them before. I wish them well. On Friday, December 20, 2013 9:45 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: God forbid there should be a show on TV based on family values and praying at the dinner table. How dare that Robertson guy express his faith-based opinions to that magazine like that. This is Amerika! The whole family should quit the show and teach AE a lesson - who needs a camera in your face all day, when you're already a millionaire? I mean, look what happened to Ozzie and Sharon Osbourne and Bruce and Chris Kardashian. On 12/20/2013 10:05 AM, Mike Dixon wrote: When I said *truth*, I wasn't referring to his entire statement, I was referring to his crude,paraphrased comments from Corinthians.I haven't read the entire article, only bits and pieces taken from the article. On Friday, December 20, 2013 7:58 AM, mailto:authfri...@yahoo.com mailto:authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Mike, I don't agree with you that What he spoke was truth, but the rest of this is extremely well said. Mike wrote: Saraphita, Phil Robertson didn't say it on the program, he said it in a magazine interview. What he spoke was truth, however it wasn't the truth that is sweet. It was quite rude, crude and offensive to some. His comments were not limited to scripture and were very opinionated. I'm all for free speech myself but AE has that right as well. What I find particularly offensive is justifying his comments as Biblical and in line with the teachings of Christ. Phil has knowledge of His teachings but has not put it into practice very well, in this case. Look at the story of the adulteress that was brought to Christ for judgment. Never once did He condemn her or chastise her, though she was guilty as *sin*. He did chastise the crowd, including the Pharisees that brought her to Him, demanding judgment. Sin is between man/woman and God, not society. Hours before Christ was taken into captivity, He gave those that follow him a new and eleventh commandment, *to love one another as He has loved them* and that was without condition because all are sinners. Phil Robertson would do well to study and meditate upon that scripture and learn to put it into practice. Judge not lest ye be judged. Every birth is a learning experience. He'll work it out.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: If it quacks like a duck
From what I've read, opinion polls are running in Phil Robertson's favor. And, it looks like the Pope is on Phil's side too. You can interpret the Bible any way you want to, that's your right, but I'd say 99% of the faith-based Christians agree with Phil Robertson. I think AE needs the Robertson family more than they need AE. I wouldn't be surprised if the CEO of AE resigns next week, or publishes a public apology to Phil and the whole family. Duck Dynasty is the top rated show on cable TV. What Phil said may be wrong, but it's not unusual to single out a group of people for condemnation - Ann does it here on FFL almost every day and nobody seems to even care. That was my point about being prejudiced. But, it's not against the law to be prejudiced. Lot's of people are that way, not just Phil Robertson. On 12/20/2013 12:32 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: I'm not so sure anyone is upset about the Robertson's faith or religion. Justifying disparaging comments and opinions on his religion is a different story. In fact, it may be worse. Christ forgave and blessed the adulteress with I don't condemn you and go and sin no more.She left blessed. He said nothing of the sort to the crowd that wanted to kill her(based on their faith and religion). They left feeling ashamed. I think the Robertsons' are already back tracking and admitting what was said was crude and unnecessary. I have no doubt that they have been forced to think about this in a way that has never occured to them before. I wish them well. On Friday, December 20, 2013 9:45 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: God forbid there should be a show on TV based on family values and praying at the dinner table. How dare that Robertson guy express his faith-based opinions to that magazine like that. This is Amerika! The whole family should quit the show and teach AE a lesson - who needs a camera in your face all day, when you're already a millionaire? I mean, look what happened to Ozzie and Sharon Osbourne and Bruce and Chris Kardashian. On 12/20/2013 10:05 AM, Mike Dixon wrote: When I said *truth*, I wasn't referring to his entire statement, I was referring to his crude,paraphrased comments from Corinthians.I haven't read the entire article, only bits and pieces taken from the article. On Friday, December 20, 2013 7:58 AM, mailto:authfri...@yahoo.com mailto:authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Mike, I don't agree with you that What he spoke was truth, but the rest of this is extremely well said. Mike wrote: Saraphita, Phil Robertson didn't say it on the program, he said it in a magazine interview. What he spoke was truth, however it wasn't the truth that is sweet. It was quite rude, crude and offensive to some. His comments were not limited to scripture and were very opinionated. I'm all for free speech myself but AE has that right as well. What I find particularly offensive is justifying his comments as Biblical and in line with the teachings of Christ. Phil has knowledge of His teachings but has not put it into practice very well, in this case. Look at the story of the adulteress that was brought to Christ for judgment. Never once did He condemn her or chastise her, though she was guilty as *sin*. He did chastise the crowd, including the Pharisees that brought her to Him, demanding judgment. Sin is between man/woman and God, not society. Hours before Christ was taken into captivity, He gave those that follow him a new and eleventh commandment, *to love one another as He has loved them* and that was without condition because all are sinners. Phil Robertson would do well to study and meditate upon that scripture and learn to put it into practice. Judge not lest ye be judged. Every birth is a learning experience. He'll work it out.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: If it quacks like a duck
On Friday, December 20, 2013 10:55 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: From what I've read, opinion polls are running in Phil Robertson's favor. And, it looks like the Pope is on Phil's side too. You can interpret the Bible any way you want to, that's your right, but I'd say 99% of the faith-based Christians agree with Phil Robertson. I think AE needs the Robertson family more than they need AE. I wouldn't be surprised if the CEO of AE resigns next week, or publishes a public apology to Phil and the whole family. Duck Dynasty is the top rated show on cable TV. What Phil said may be wrong, but it's not unusual to single out a group of people for condemnation - Ann does it here on FFL almost every day and nobody seems to even care. That was my point about being prejudiced. But, it's not against the law to be prejudiced. Lot's of people are that way, not just Phil Robertson. On 12/20/2013 12:32 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: I'm not so sure anyone is upset about the Robertson's faith or religion. Justifying disparaging comments and opinions on his religion is a different story. In fact, it may be worse. Christ forgave and blessed the adulteress with I don't condemn you and go and sin no more.She left blessed. He said nothing of the sort to the crowd that wanted to kill her(based on their faith and religion). They left feeling ashamed. I think the Robertsons' are already back tracking and admitting what was said was crude and unnecessary. I have no doubt that they have been forced to think about this in a way that has never occured to them before. I wish them well. On Friday, December 20, 2013 9:45 AM, Richard J. Williams mailto:pundits...@gmail.com wrote: God forbid there should be a show on TV based on family values and praying at the dinner table. How dare that Robertson guy express his faith-based opinions to that magazine like that. This is Amerika! The whole family should quit the show and teach AE a lesson - who needs a camera in your face all day, when you're already a millionaire? I mean, look what happened to Ozzie and Sharon Osbourne and Bruce and Chris Kardashian. On 12/20/2013 10:05 AM, Mike Dixon wrote: When I said *truth*, I wasn't referring to his entire statement, I was referring to his crude,paraphrased comments from Corinthians.I haven't read the entire article, only bits and pieces taken from the article. On Friday, December 20, 2013 7:58 AM, mailto:authfri...@yahoo.com mailto:authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Mike, I don't agree with you that What he spoke was truth, but the rest of this is extremely well said. Mike wrote: Saraphita, Phil Robertson didn't say it on the program, he said it in a magazine interview. What he spoke was truth, however it wasn't the truth that is sweet. It was quite rude, crude and offensive to some. His comments were not limited to scripture and were very opinionated. I'm all for free speech myself but AE has that right as well. What I find particularly offensive is justifying his comments as Biblical and in line with the teachings of Christ. Phil has knowledge of His teachings but has not put it into practice very well, in this case. Look at the story of the adulteress that was brought to Christ for judgment. Never once did He condemn her or chastise her, though she was guilty as *sin*. He did chastise the crowd, including the Pharisees that brought her to Him, demanding judgment. Sin is between man/woman and God, not society. Hours before Christ was taken into captivity, He gave those that follow him a new and eleventh commandment, *to love one another as He has loved them* and that was without condition because all are sinners. Phil Robertson would do well to study and meditate upon that scripture and learn to put it into practice. Judge not lest ye be judged. Every birth is a learning experience. He'll work it out.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: If it quacks like a duck
On 12/19/2013 10:30 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote: Re Which is more important: following PC or being free?: Who wants to conform? Let freedom reign. Richard: how come I started this thread but your post (So, lets review what we know) now appears *first* in the list? That's a neat trick! It's called magic, but sometimes it's called F.U.B.A.R. (see my previous post on this subject). P.S. If you post a thread with the same exact subject title as a previous post with the same exact subject title, the message you post will be appended to the first post with that subject title. You have to be careful about this and stay alert, because I've posted using almost t every subject title you would ever think of. At this point, it would be a real challenge to think of any new subjects to post, since I've been posting here for a decade or longer. Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to.
