Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ego in Enlightenment and Enlightened Ironies

2006-01-10 Thread Vaj
On Jan 10, 2006, at 4:13 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jan 10, 2006, at 3:43 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:On Jan 10, 2006, at 3:33 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ego in Enlightenment and Enlightened Ironies

2006-01-10 Thread Vaj
On Jan 10, 2006, at 3:43 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jan 10, 2006, at 3:33 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: Use of the term the "non-dual state", in this context, appears odd to me.  Maintaining pure awareness while holding a though

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ego in Enlightenment and Enlightened Ironies

2006-01-10 Thread Vaj
On Jan 10, 2006, at 3:33 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jan 10, 2006, at 3:20 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: It would seem if the "so-called" non-dual state is enough to unknot the knot of samskara, then it is enough to prevent its r

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ego in Enlightenment and Enlightened Ironies

2006-01-10 Thread Vaj
On Jan 10, 2006, at 3:33 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:Use of the term the "non-dual state", in this context, appears odd to me.  Maintaining pure awareness while holding a thought, consciousness glowing within itself -- akin to a developing yet not complete TMO  CC state -- appears to be what you are

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ego in Enlightenment and Enlightened Ironies

2006-01-10 Thread Vaj
On Jan 10, 2006, at 3:20 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:It would seem if the "so-called" non-dual state is enough to unknot the knot of samskara, then it is enough to prevent its re-knotting. Stick through water sort of thing. samsara, not samskara. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ego in Enlightenment and Enlightened Ironies

2006-01-10 Thread Vaj
On Jan 10, 2006, at 7:50 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:I dunno... maybe my thinking is muddled, but Akashanon's comment didn't strike me as the least bit funny.  Yesterday, while alone on a trip to Iowa City, the sentence, "A clear, finely tuned intellect is necessary for realization and appreciation o

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ego in Enlightenment and Enlightened Ironies

2006-01-09 Thread Peter
--- mrfishey2001 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > "HAHAHAHA. > > Peter, the ever extending audacity of your > doublespeak, and that of > your pals, never ceases to amaze me. "There > absolutely is no

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ego in Enlightenment and Enlightened Ironies

2006-01-08 Thread Vaj
On Jan 8, 2006, at 8:17 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jan 7, 2006, at 4:38 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: Well, if you mean enlightenment to mean "something good is  happening", then fine. Its just traditionally the term has been used in 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ego in Enlightenment and Enlightened Ironies

2006-01-08 Thread Sal Sunshine
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >  > "Howewer I find no reason to assume as  a priori > true that Peter is a > gifted psychotherapist or that this is his stategy. > > Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, double talk is > ju

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ego in Enlightenment and Enlightened Ironies

2006-01-08 Thread Peter
Hey, I just hopped on after watching the Giants getting there asses handed to them.Guess I'll have to see what this is all about. --- mrfishey2001 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > "Howewer I fin

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ego in Enlightenment and Enlightened Ironies

2006-01-08 Thread Peter
--- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > That doesn't mean the person who is enlightened > > > can't speak

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ego in Enlightenment and Enlightened Ironies

2006-01-08 Thread Vaj
On Jan 8, 2006, at 1:31 PM, authfriend wrote:But when the person says there is no ego in enlightenment, perhaps they are speaking of the Self, what they now identify with.  The trick is to make it clear which--self or Self--is the referent in a particular statement.  If it's not made clear, confu

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ego in Enlightenment and Enlightened Ironies

2006-01-08 Thread Vaj
On Jan 8, 2006, at 7:06 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jan 7, 2006, at 6:30 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: I've never had much interest in all that Vedic, Yogic, Brahman, Hiranyagarba, etc. Eastern esoterica, so if the space I've arrived

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ego in Enlightenment and Enlightened Ironies

2006-01-07 Thread Vaj
On Jan 7, 2006, at 7:03 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> On Jan 7, 2006, at 4:38 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: >> >>> Well, if you mean enlightenment to mean "something good is >>> happening", >>> then fine. Its just tradition

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ego in Enlightenment and Enlightened Ironies

2006-01-07 Thread Vaj
On Jan 7, 2006, at 6:30 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jan 7, 2006, at 4:38 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: My sense of the vasanas are the tight grip of residue and structure of conditionings and experiences that make "I" appear to be

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ego in Enlightenment and Enlightened Ironies

2006-01-07 Thread Vaj
On Jan 7, 2006, at 4:38 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:Well, if you mean enlightenment to mean "something good is happening", then fine. Its just traditionally the term has been used in specific ways. And in recent years some have hijacked the term and used it to label almost anything, BUT implying tha

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ego in Enlightenment and Enlightened Ironies

2006-01-07 Thread Vaj
On Jan 7, 2006, at 4:38 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:My sense of the vasanas are the tight grip of residue and structure of conditionings and experiences that make "I" appear to be the body or mind or intellect. When that grip lossens, then that false sense of I dissolves. But the structure of vasana