Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
I think he already is. --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 5/7/06 7:51 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > Well. I like Curtis quite a bit. I knew him at MIU > > when I was there from '74 to '78. He was > energetic, > > talkative, and enthusiastic. An all around good, > > sattvic guy. Right after I joinned FFL several > years > > ago he contacted my just to give a friendly hello. > > Maybe we should invite him into FFL. Whadya say > Judy? > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Home is just a click away.� Make Yahoo! your home > page now. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
Just what I was thinking...I just don't have the energy to partake of these endless debates which usually lead nowhere. Sal On May 7, 2006, at 6:31 PM, authfriend wrote: Were you on vacation on the moon back in the '90s, perhance?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
We're talking about two different people here, Tucker Carlson (TV talk show host) and Curtis Mailloux (former DC TM Center Chairman, now a blues musician in VA). The two have absolutely nothing in common, except that I thought they looked sort of similar. Carlson was the one accused of sexual shenanigans, and, as Shemp said, they were unfounded or dismissed...Although the accusation itself did have a very profound effect on him, as I recall, and led to him becoming at least somewhat more aware of unfounded accusations being tossed at others, like Clinton and Gary Condit--that's what I meant by 'transformation'...not a sex change! Sal On May 7, 2006, at 2:48 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > wrote: > > > > He underwent some kind of transformation after he got > > accused of sexual shenanigans by someone. > > An accusation that was completely unfounded. As I recall, > a woman accused him of having sexual dalliances with him > over several years in a city in which Carlson had never > even visited. Given the pronoun usage above, it sounds as if Curtis is not the only one who had some kind of transformation. She starts out as a woman, and later accuses Curtis with having sexual dalliances with *him*. Curious minds want to know: are we talking sex change here, or did you just mistype?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt? sorry, mistake
Curtis MacDonald, perhaps? I wondered about that, because Curtis Mailloux as far as I know didn't work at CNL, but MacDonald did, for a number of years. Sal On May 7, 2006, at 1:01 PM, markmeredith2002 wrote: SORRY, just realized I'm thinking of a different guy than the subject of this thread. Similar name but not the same > > He threw one of our local center's citizen sidhas, a lady, off a > course and onto the streets of downtown DC, outside the CNL which at > that time was a bad location, at 10:30 pm after someone there got word > she had visited a jyotishi while in India on the vedic science course > (this was when jyotishis were apparently considered off the program > though there was no official policy on it). Probably just following > instructions from on high, but I never would have done that even in my > deepest TB days. >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
I took many courses and practically lived there for over a year, so I remember the location well, and 10:30 at night was not a time you wanted to be outside if you could help it. Seems to me that could have been potentially actionable for a number of reasons. Sal On May 7, 2006, at 12:54 PM, markmeredith2002 wrote: He threw one of our local center's citizen sidhas, a lady, off a course and onto the streets of downtown DC, outside the CNL which at that time was a bad location, at 10:30 pm after someone there got word she had visited a jyotishi while in India on the vedic science course (this was when jyotishis were apparently considered off the program though there was no official policy on it). Probably just following instructions from on high, but I never would have done that even in my deepest TB days.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
Thanks. I'll go take a look. Sal On May 7, 2006, at 9:41 AM, authfriend wrote: Here's the thread where he made his introductory post: http://tinyurl.com/h4uh6
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
When was he there? Would the conversations still be in the archives? Curious minds and all that. Sal On May 7, 2006, at 8:30 AM, authfriend wrote: Huh, that was my reaction too. I thought I might be biased because he was such a horrendous pain on alt.m.t, but maybe not.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
on 5/7/06 7:51 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Well. I like Curtis quite a bit. I knew him at MIU > when I was there from '74 to '78. He was energetic, > talkative, and enthusiastic. An all around good, > sattvic guy. Right after I joinned FFL several years > ago he contacted my just to give a friendly hello. Maybe we should invite him into FFL. Whadya say Judy? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
Peter, Yes, he had those qualities in DC too, for the most part. But somewhere along the way he also picked up the role of TM enforcer, not a good fit for someone who still had a working brain. Sal On May 7, 2006, at 7:51 AM, Peter wrote: Well. I like Curtis quite a bit. I knew him at MIU when I was there from '74 to '78. He was energetic, talkative, and enthusiastic. An all around good, sattvic guy. Right after I joinned FFL several years ago he contacted my just to give a friendly hello.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
Yep, a study in contrasts for sure. Almost like two different people. Sal On May 6, 2006, at 9:24 PM, authfriend wrote: I suspect he's a person of extremes: from pro-TM fanatic to anti-TM fanatic, from buttoned-up bowtied executive type to grubby street musician...and I'd imagine he plays the latter role just as well and enthusiastically as he did the former.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
Yes, a street musician in Alexandria, VA. Sal On May 6, 2006, at 11:36 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Are we saying Curtis Mallioux (sp?) is now a musician? I missed something. Does he have a web site?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
On May 6, 2006, at 11:08 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: > What makes someone "right wing"? Usually espousing right-wing viewpoints, and Tucker, from the several times I've watched him, seems to have or had many. > Tucker Carlson is famously down on > record as opposing the U.S. invasion of Iraq. He underwent some kind of transformation after he got accused of sexual shenanigans by someone. Sal To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
No kidding--that's stealing. Was it made out to you? If so, depending on the amount (I think, or maybe that doesn't matter) that could be a major crime. My crack came a few years later, when it became obvious that some of the 'elites' were treated much differently than everyone else, and usually acted accordingly, ie. like major jerks. Sal On May 6, 2006, at 10:20 PM, jyouells2000 wrote: Sal, in 1977 when all the formerly active teachers were heading for the hills, I took over a center and the outgoing teacher 'borrowed' my paycheck from the mail, and managed to cash it and headed for the hills. I was using it for center rent. That was the major crack in my warm and fuzzy illusions. :)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
Well. I like Curtis quite a bit. I knew him at MIU when I was there from '74 to '78. He was energetic, talkative, and enthusiastic. An all around good, sattvic guy. Right after I joinned FFL several years ago he contacted my just to give a friendly hello. --- Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Probably a result of stress. To some degree, he and > Laura were a > perfect match, and I was surprised they didn't last > longer. Both were > nice-looking, made of steel, extremely > materialistic, and absolutely > obsessed with the TMO. > > Sal > > > On May 6, 2006, at 8:13 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > > > My wife was a guest in his and his (now divorced) > wife Laura�s house > > for a while after leaving Mother Divine. Curtis > used to sleepwalk all > > over the house, sweeping things off tables and > counters and cupboard > > shelves, and generally making a racket. This was > when he was still in > > the movement. > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
On May 6, 2006, at 10:03 PM, bob_brigante wrote: > Didn't Curtis used to have blond hair? Not that I knew of. During his stint as TMO enforcer, I mean, Center Chairman, it was light to medium brown. > That would certainly be a > sign of high stress if his follicles changed color... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
on 5/6/06 10:12 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> Apart from shock therapy, I'm not really sure what might have helped at >> that point. I left DC to move here in 91 and, although my memories of >> that time are, of course, growing more vague by the minute, I had >> thought he was still Center Chairman. >> If he became CC in 85, and already by 90 he was TM-Ex, his reign of >> terror lasted fewer years than I thought. Sort of comforting, in a >> silly kind of way...I outlasted him! For some reason I had him >> freaking out around the mid-90s or so. >> That's probably just when I became aware of his new vocation, so to >> speak. >> >> Sal >> > Curtis was here after his phase I of TTC (and before as well). He was > really intent on teaching then the movement took away all his phase > III work study credit (on an academy in FL, if I remember correctly) > but he made it all a second time and went to phase III. Initiations > had already nose dived before he went to phase III. I was surprised he > went so far in the other direction. > > His music sounds real good... I wonder what his take on is now? > Are we saying Curtis Mallioux (sp?) is now a musician? I missed something. Does he have a web site? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
On May 6, 2006, at 7:37 PM, authfriend wrote: > Oh, no sh*t, bowties! Yep. He played the part well. > > Did you see the photo on his Web site? He's now a > down-and-dirty blues guy, plays on the street for > money in the D.C. area, sort of a one-man-band kind > of thing. (Does NOT wear a bowtie!) Looks like he's put on some weight, and of course gotten a bit older, but I can still see echoes of the old Curtis there. But really, in my wildest dreams I never would have imagined him playing on the street. I would have thought, post-TM, that he might have gone to work for some company or something. Or done something else very "upscale." Just goes to show. > > He's quite good, though, at least from the clips > from his CD. Terrific harmonica player. Has quite > a following, apparently. Apparently so. Good for him. I've only had the chance to listen to a couple of the tracks, but they are impressive. > I thought his singing lacked, um, well, something, > passion, maybe. Seemed like he was holding > back. But not when he played the harp, though. Haven't heard that one. Sal To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
Probably a result of stress. To some degree, he and Laura were a perfect match, and I was surprised they didn't last longer. Both were nice-looking, made of steel, extremely materialistic, and absolutely obsessed with the TMO. Sal On May 6, 2006, at 8:13 PM, Rick Archer wrote: My wife was a guest in his and his (now divorced) wife Laura’s house for a while after leaving Mother Divine. Curtis used to sleepwalk all over the house, sweeping things off tables and counters and cupboard shelves, and generally making a racket. This was when he was still in the movement.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt? on 5/6/06 5:16 PM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curtis Mailloux...one of the truly great TM Nazis the TMO ever produced. After he left the fold, he became as vehemently against as he had been pro before. In his time, though , he was awesome. He would regularly "report" people for the most minor TM infractions (such as wearing jeans to the Center--horrors!) as well as work on occasion to keep people off courses, TTC, etc. You name it, he reported it. Must have satisfied some primal urge for power, or something. His defection really came as not much of a surprise...that level of stress most people just can't keep up for very long. I've wondered over the years what became of him too. My wife was a guest in his and his (now divorced) wife Laura’s house for a while after leaving Mother Divine. Curtis used to sleepwalk all over the house, sweeping things off tables and counters and cupboard shelves, and generally making a racket. This was when he was still in the movement. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
And he looked the part as well. He's probably changed somewhat over the years (haven't we all?) but back then he could have been a stand-ion for Tucker Carlson, the right-wing talk show host. Even down to the bowties. Sal On May 6, 2006, at 6:21 PM, authfriend wrote: Fascinating to hear about Curtis and Pat. I never knew them as TMers, only afterwards, when they hung out on alt.m.t posting long, extremely hostile, and generally quite dishonest anti-TM screeds. Haven't seen hide nor hair of that old anti-TM crowd on alt.m.t for some years now. Man, they were vicious.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
Don't know Pat, but I agree...give credit where it's due. I never hesitate to mention MIU when somebody asks me where I went to school. It was still a great place to go back then (early 90s) and hadn't yet gotten too weird.
Amazing he didn't get caught at some of those activities, (and that he was able to hide them well enough to go to TTC while others were kept off for far lesser reasons) considering the level of spying going on at that point, or so I thought.
Sal
On May 6, 2006, at 6:02 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
I only knew him from passing but he was at MIU for the several years
when I was there ('75-'79). Seemed pleasant enough. I remember him
as being very talkative...that's about it.
But what you say above reminds me a bit of Pat Ryan who was also at
MIU at the same time. Ryan also left the Movement and became an
infamous TM-EX. I don't want to knock the guy too much but when I
knew Pat it was when as a 17 or 18 year old he had just arrived at
MIU and was skeptical and cynical about the teaching and went out of
his way to find out "secrets" and go to meetings that anti-TM
fundamentalists were holding in town and then corresponding with
them for years afterwards. I mention this because years later when
he then became a TM teacher and then years later left the TMO he
made it seem that all the revelations about TM that he had come to
realize were new to him. The reality was that he was told all of
this stuff by the fundies about 15 years prior. So he knew exactly
what he was getting into and he can't feign innocence about having
the wool pulled over his eyes by the evil cult.
Another thing about Pat (and I should say I thought he was a sweet
kid...kinda like a puppy dog who would follow you everywhere): when
Pat came to MIU he was illiterate. That is, he wrote and read at,
literally, a Grade 2 or 3 level. To his credit, that first year he
worked his ass off improving himself and bringing himself up to a
level where he was pretty much at par with everyone else. But I
mention this because: 1) MIU accepted him despite this handicap
(okay, they were probably desparate for students and this was
probably their motivation); and 2) teachers, TAs and others at MIU
helped Pat overcome his illiteracy. It would be nice that while he
trashed the TMO and all things TM, he could acknowledge their part
in helping him overcome his illiteracy.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
Apart from shock therapy, I'm not really sure what might have helped at that point. I left DC to move here in 91 and, although my memories of that time are, of course, growing more vague by the minute, I had thought he was still Center Chairman. If he became CC in 85, and already by 90 he was TM-Ex, his reign of terror lasted fewer years than I thought. Sort of comforting, in a silly kind of way...I outlasted him! For some reason I had him freaking out around the mid-90s or so. That's probably just when I became aware of his new vocation, so to speak. Sal On May 6, 2006, at 5:46 PM, jyouells2000 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Curtis Mailloux...one of the truly great TM Nazis the TMO ever > produced. After he left the fold, he became as vehemently against as > he had been pro before. In his time, though , he was awesome. He > would regularly "report" people for the most minor TM infractions (such > as wearing jeans to the Center--horrors!) as well as work on > occasion to keep people off courses, TTC, etc. You name it, he > reported it. Must have satisfied some primal urge for power, or > something. His defection really came as not much of a surprise...that > level of stress most people just can't keep up for very long. I've > wondered over the years what became of him too. > > Sal Saw it comming before DC - tried to help
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?
Curtis Mailloux...one of the truly great TM Nazis the TMO ever produced. After he left the fold, he became as vehemently against as he had been pro before. In his time, though , he was awesome. He would regularly "report" people for the most minor TM infractions (such as wearing jeans to the Center--horrors!) as well as work on occasion to keep people off courses, TTC, etc. You name it, he reported it. Must have satisfied some primal urge for power, or something. His defection really came as not much of a surprise...that level of stress most people just can't keep up for very long. I've wondered over the years what became of him too. Sal On May 6, 2006, at 1:15 PM, jyouells2000 wrote: Curtis is from my area. Went on to DC, then TMex. Energetic. Have not seen him in a long time. Hope he is well.
