Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators predict Dow 17,000...
In a message dated 8/1/07 2:54:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why would I dignify your questions with answers after telling me to go to hell? Nice copout. Actually Judy, I had answered his question in previous posts to Jim. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators predict Dow 17,000...
In a message dated 8/1/07 2:53:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you want to see human atrocities, just pull the troops out now. Hell, even Hillary and Joe Biden can see that! But then maybe Nooz wouldn't care how many people killed each other as long as we were not there. The Iraqis *themselves* want the US to get the hell out of their country. Everybody wants to get out of Iraq, but not until the job is done. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators predict Dow 17,000...
In a message dated 8/1/07 2:53:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Clearly no such thing is happening. The situation only continues to get worse year after year as the killing escalates. Actually sectarian violence has been going down significantly since the surge began and Iraqi's that once turned a blind eye to Al Qaeda or even joined them are now turning against them and pointing them out to our troops and Iraqi troops. Try reading something else besides the Daily Kos. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators predict Dow 17,000...
In a message dated 8/1/07 2:37:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I doubt it will succeed, but not because I want it to fail, or am not willing to sacrifice for it. Basically my issue is that the war wasn't designed to bring democracy to the middle east. The war was designed to do a lot of things, and after all of them failed, then the justification for bringing democracy to the middle east was dreamt up- and if you are honest and recall how this went down, no one, and I mean *no one* was talking about invading Iraq to bring democracy when this began. So what do you think Bush planned to do after ousting Saddam Hussein? Oh yeah, steel the oil! But there wasn't any oil in Afghanistan to steel yet we helped them organize a democracy after chasing the Taliban and Al Qaeda out. Why wouldn't there be plans to do the same for Iraq? ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators predict Dow 17,000...
In a message dated 8/1/07 2:53:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Isn't that what Christians do? When they get fed up that they can't convert you they just tell you you're going to hell? Actually it's not the US that is perpetuating the Human atrocities in Iraq, it's Al Qaeda inflaming sectarian violence and Iraq's themselves. None of that existed before Bush invaded Iraq. Oh really? Tell that to the Kurds and Shiia. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators predict Dow 17,000...
In a message dated 8/2/07 7:50:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Everybody wants to get out of Iraq, but not until the job is done. Bullshit. The Iraqis and the American people want the US to get out right away. The only ones who seriously expect an *undefined* 'job to be done' are the fast dwindling right wing nutjobs who continue to cheerlead an escalating disaster. _Public Opinion Strategies_ (http://www.pos.org/inthenews/20070220.cfm) And by the way, concerning your other post accusing me of getting all my news from right wing news sources, the source of my information was the New York Times. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators predict Dow 17,000...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/1/07 2:53:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you want to see human atrocities, just pull the troops out now. Hell, even Hillary and Joe Biden can see that! But then maybe Nooz wouldn't care how many people killed each other as long as we were not there. The Iraqis *themselves* want the US to get the hell out of their country. Everybody wants to get out of Iraq, but not until the job is done. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour So the glorious Fuhrer Bush can march triumphantly through the Green Zone with everyone saluting with sieg heil! sieg heil! sieg heil? Don't polish your boots too soon Dixie.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators predict Dow 17,000...
In a message dated 7/31/07 11:12:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Parliament headed into a monthlong summer recess on Monday, halting work despite calls from the United States and the prime minister for lawmakers to shorten their break to push through important legislation. The decision to take off the month of August almost surely eliminates hopes that the 275-member Council of Representatives will pass laws sought by American officials as evidence that the country is making progress toward stability...p The Iraqi Parliament was originally scheduled for a two month recess. They shortened it to one month, the same amount of time our Congress takes off each summer to listen to their constituents at home. Rome wasn't built in a day and it took over a hundred years for us to guarantee the rights of freed slaves and give women the right to vote. The surge as you said earlier was meant to give the Iraqi government and it's people more security and breathing room. It has just been in place and effect a couple of months and showing promise but that is not enough for those that called it a failure before it ever started, for political purposes. The Democrats have set them selves up that they need it to fail to stay in power. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators predict Dow 17,000...
In a message dated 7/31/07 11:06:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is such a cynical view from both sides to use the death of men, women and children as a political pawn to score points. really sickening and cold-hearted. Whether the surge works or not, I just want this damned war to be over soon, and for us as a country to recognize that it has solved nothing.:-) Do you really want it to be for nothing?:) Why don't you want it to be a success? I'll tell you why, because then you can say you were right. Pure ego and it gives the Democrats another chance to relive the days following the defeat in Vietnam . If it works, there is a new democracy in an area of the world that is used to tyrants and dictators that breed the very unrest and hopelessness that fuels the violence so common to the middle east. It also allows people in other middle eastern nations to ask why they couldn't have the same thing. In effect you said it from your heart, you want a defeat, you want failure, you want it to solve nothing. It really is hard to accomplish anything when you have to drag around so much dead weight. There is an old saying, Either lead, follow or get the hell out of the way. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators predict Dow 17,000...
In a message dated 7/31/07 11:49:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Whether the surge works or not, I just want this damned war to be over soon, and for us as a country to recognize that it has solved nothing.:-) *Nobody* is invested in failure in Iraq. Of all the right's calumnies, that is perhaps the most unspeakably vile. It's the old stab in the back strategy, dragged out and dressed up in an effort to excuse the failures that have already occurred. Flanigan's sentence says it all Judy. He doesn't care if it works. He just wants it over and for us to say it solved nothing. THAT is defeatism. It's no stab in the back but a slap in the face, so drink your own vile! Why couldn't flanigan have wished for it to be over soon with a success? It's because success will show the world never to trust the Democrats to follow through on commitments. Success will show the Democrats to be defeatists. As I said, the Democrats have way too much invested in defeat. It has to happen for them to have any power. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators predict Dow 17,000...
In a message dated 7/31/07 11:18:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Whether the surge works or not, I just want this damned war to be over soon, and for us as a country to recognize that it has solved nothing.:-) I couldn't agree more with the above paragraph. Could you imagine our children going to school in the morning hoping they come home alive by the end of the day. Americans have no idea just how bad it is. Something has got to give by the end of the Fall season in Iraq or we need to get out of there el pronto. Yes, this is the Democrat view. They want a defeat so they can say it was all for nothing. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators predict Dow 17,000...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/31/07 11:18:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Whether the surge works or not, I just want this damned war to be over soon, and for us as a country to recognize that it has solved nothing.:-) I couldn't agree more with the above paragraph. Could you imagine our children going to school in the morning hoping they come home alive by the end of the day. Americans have no idea just how bad it is. Something has got to give by the end of the Fall season in Iraq or we need to get out of there el pronto. Yes, this is the Democrat view. They want a defeat so they can say it was all for nothing. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour So what do you actually think this stupid Iraq war is about, Dixie? It's their country. We don't belong there. We messed it up. We can offer to help clean up the mess under the Iraqis supervision but they seem to prefer we leave. I was against this war from the start and even as it was being proposed. I know the mindset of a tyrant and George W. Bush is a tyrant. He and his administration deserves no support from the citizens of the United States. He belongs in a prison along with the rest of his cohorts. This is about oil. It is about lining the pockets of the rich and if you're stupid enough to think your pockets are going to get lined along the way for sucking up to them then you truly are a fool. You along with the Republicans and NeoCons now have the karma of having destroyed the United States. May you rest in hell.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators predict Dow 17,000...
In a message dated 8/1/07 8:48:11 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nobody called it a failure before it started. Many thought it was highly unlikely to be successful, including top commanders in Iraq, who were forthwith replaced by Bush. Henry Reid, on the Senate floor, called it a failure before all the troops in the surge had even gotten to Iraq. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators predict Dow 17,000...
In a message dated 8/1/07 8:48:11 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Democrats have set them selves up that they need it to fail to stay in power. Bullshit. The war is already a failure. The Democrats don't want it to be an even *bigger* failure. Judy what will be the future of the Democrat Party if the surge should succeed and the Iraqi government makes significant strides in reconciliation within the next 6 months to a year, before the US presidential elections? Do you think Democrats will fair well in the elections? ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators predict Dow 17,000...
In a message dated 8/1/07 8:50:21 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Whether the surge works or not, I just want this damned war to be over soon, and for us as a country to recognize that it has solved nothing.:-) Do you really want it to be for nothing?:) Why don't you want it to be a success? I don't want it to be for nothing, so I can blah, blah, blah...The Well, I really don't blame you for contradicting yourself here. It is embarrassing to admit you want our country to fail in it's efforts to bring a functioning Democracy to a troubled part of the world. Your only concern is for us to get out and say we accomplished nothing. Perhaps you think a full scale retreat and defeat along with feeling of guilt would be of more benefit to the United States and the world than a full scale victory of leaving Iraq with a reconciled functioning democratic government that is capable of maintaining it's own security. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators predict Dow 17,000...
In a message dated 8/1/07 10:22:33 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jstein wrote: About time for the Republicans to follow that very sage advice and get behind the Democrats' lead in bringing an end to this catastrophe. So, how many Democrats voted to use force to oust Saddam Hussien? Another question: Have the Democrats ever won a war? Oh, but Willy, the Democrats didn't vote to use force, only to authorize the use of force. Did you hear one of them protests our troops invasion of Iraq and say their vote was misused or did they wait until it became evident that no WMD's would be found and then it was only a trickle that started to whine. As long as it looked easy they were for it, but when the going got tuff, they try to say they never supported it. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators predict Dow 17,000...
In a message dated 8/1/07 11:36:55 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: May you rest in hell. The curse binds the curser to the coursed for eternity. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators predict Dow 17,000...
In a message dated 8/1/07 12:55:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judy what will be the future of the Democrat Party When you're speaking to me, you'll use the correct name of the party, or you won't receive a response. Nice cop out ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators predict Dow 17,000...
In a message dated 8/1/07 12:59:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, I really don't blame you for contradicting yourself here. It is embarrassing to admit you want our country to fail in it's efforts to bring a functioning Democracy to a troubled part of the world. Your only concern is for us to get out and say we accomplished nothing. Perhaps you think a full scale retreat and defeat along with feeling of guilt would be of more benefit to the United States and the world than a full scale victory of leaving Iraq with a reconciled functioning democratic government that is capable of maintaining it's own security. if democracy results there tomorrow, I am all for it and I will laud your praises as the prescient one among us. However, if it doesn't occur tomorrow, I will feel sadness for those who continue to die for this grand experiment. Won't you??:-) It's a shame that even one person died, but if it, the current war effort, succeeds, it could be a catalyst to create a much needed change for many nations in that region to be as prosperous and peaceful as we see in European democracies. It won't come cheap but will be worth it in the long run. Your problem is not that you want it tomorrow, you wanted it yesterday without the work. Patience and perseverance are virtues and a few years of hard work and sacrifices are nothing in the scheme of things when you are talking about changing the way people in a large part of the world have lived for centuries, if not millennia. Grand experiments such as this usually do cost lives but are usually well worth it in the future. The other alternative is to leave them alone and let them stew in their own misery and take out their frustrations on anyone not like them. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators predict Dow 17,000...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/1/07 11:36:55 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: May you rest in hell. The curse binds the curser to the coursed for eternity. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Only if you believe in curses. But then note folks he didn't respond to my other points: So what do you actually think this stupid Iraq war is about, Dixie? It's their country. We don't belong there. We messed it up. We can offer to help clean up the mess under the Iraqis supervision but they seem to prefer we leave. I was against this war from the start and even as it was being proposed. I know the mindset of a tyrant and George W. Bush is a tyrant. He and his administration deserves no support from the citizens of the United States. He belongs in a prison along with the rest of his cohorts. This is about oil. It is about lining the pockets of the rich and if you're stupid enough to think your pockets are going to get lined along the way for sucking up to them then you truly are a fool. You along with the Republicans and NeoCons now have the karma of having destroyed the United States. Nothing to say, eh?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators predict Dow 17,000...
In a message dated 8/1/07 2:20:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , [EMAIL PROTECTED], MDi In a message dated 8/1/07 12:55:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judy what will be the future of the Democrat Party When you're speaking to me, you'll use the correct name of the party, or you won't receive a response. Nice cop out. Not a copout. Use the correct name, and I'll respond. I'll never refer to them they way you want me to because it's intent is on making the ignorant think they are the only party that is for democratic values. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators predict Dow 17,000...
In a message dated 8/1/07 1:56:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 8/1/07 11:36:55 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: May you rest in hell. The curse binds the curser to the coursed for eternity. An empty rhetorical attempt at self-vindication from a guy who cheerleads perpetuating the unnecessary human atrocities in Iraq against a guy who is appalled by it. Isn't that what Christians do? When they get fed up that they can't convert you they just tell you you're going to hell? Actually it's not the US that is perpetuating the Human atrocities in Iraq, it's Al Qaeda inflaming sectarian violence and Iraq's themselves. The US wants to leave them with a functional democratic government that can create security for it and it's people. If you want to see human atrocities, just pull the troops out now. Hell, even Hillary and Joe Biden can see that! But then maybe Nooz wouldn't care how many people killed each other as long as we were not there. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators predict Dow 17,000...
In a message dated 8/1/07 2:26:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
May you rest in hell.
The curse binds the curser to the coursed for eternity.
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Only if you believe in curses. But then note folks he didn't respond to
my other points:
So what do you actually think this stupid Iraq war is about, Dixie?
It's their country. We don't belong there. We messed it up. We can
offer to help clean up the mess under the Iraqis supervision but they
seem to prefer we leave. I was against this war from the start and even
as it was being proposed. I know the mindset of a tyrant and George W.
Bush is a tyrant. He and his administration deserves no support from
the citizens of the United States. He belongs in a prison along with
the rest of his cohorts. This is about oil. It is about lining the
pockets of the rich and if you're stupid enough to think your pockets
are going to get lined along the way for sucking up to them then you
truly are a fool. You along with the Republicans and NeoCons now have
the karma of having destroyed the United States.
Why would I dignify your questions with answers after telling me to go to
hell?
** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at
http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators predict Dow 17,000...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/1/07 2:26:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
May you rest in hell.
The curse binds the curser to the coursed for eternity.
WBR*WBR*WBR**
_http://discover.http://discovehttp://disco_
(http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour)
Only if you believe in curses. But then note folks he didn't respond to
my other points:
So what do you actually think this stupid Iraq war is about, Dixie?
It's their country. We don't belong there. We messed it up. We can
offer to help clean up the mess under the Iraqis supervision but they
seem to prefer we leave. I was against this war from the start and even
as it was being proposed. I know the mindset of a tyrant and George W.
Bush is a tyrant. He and his administration deserves no support from
the citizens of the United States. He belongs in a prison along with
the rest of his cohorts. This is about oil. It is about lining the
pockets of the rich and if you're stupid enough to think your pockets
are going to get lined along the way for sucking up to them then you
truly are a fool. You along with the Republicans and NeoCons now have
the karma of having destroyed the United States.
Why would I dignify your questions with answers after telling me to go to
hell?
** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at
http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Another weaselly rightie reply.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators predict Dow 17,000...
In a message dated 7/31/07 8:29:49 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What?! They don't want to take credit for the success the surge is starting to show? And why not: According to the effect, everything would be effected. If everything is ONe, And everything is hooked together,, By an unseen force; Then why not? Robert. Well, why didn't they? ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators predict Dow 17,000...
In a message dated 7/31/2007 3:04:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , [EMAIL PROTECTED], MDi In a message dated 7/31/07 11:43:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What?! They don't want to take credit for the success the surge is starting to show? What surge success? I suspect you're referring to Bush's dumbass war? There is no success there. Keep smokin' the ganga. Try reading the news some time. snicker The point of the surge was to give the Iraqi government breathing room to make some political progress. We have already done a few surges over the last 4 years and some. September and October look like the interesting months in evaluating yet another surge. I'm sure Bush is thinking of something else to save his party. Parliament has just adjourned for the month of August, having accomplished ZILCH. That was in the news, MDixon. I guess you must have missed it. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators predict Dow 17,000...
In a message dated 7/31/07 2:04:52 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: point of the surge was to give the Iraqi government breathing room to make some political progress. Parliament has just adjourned for the month of August, having accomplished ZILCH. That was in the news, MDixon. I guess you must have missed it. Nope didn't miss a thing. No political compromises yet but 60 pieces of legislation passed. Killings, executions and bombings are down. Sunnis are turning on Al Qaeda and working with Coalition forces for a change. The Democrats have a lot invested in the failure of the surge. If it works they look very bad. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators predict Dow 17,000...
In a message dated 8/1/2007 12:06:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , [EMAIL PROTECTED], MDi In a message dated 7/31/07 2:04:52 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: point of the surge was to give the Iraqi government breathing room to make some political progress. Parliament has just adjourned for the month of August, having accomplished ZILCH. That was in the news, MDixon. I guess you must have missed it. Nope didn't miss a thing. No political compromises yet but 60 pieces of legislation passed. Killings, executions and bombings are down. Sunnis are turning on Al Qaeda and working with Coalition forces for a change. The Democrats have a lot invested in the failure of the surge. If it works they look very bad. It is such a cynical view from both sides to use the death of men, women and children as a political pawn to score points. really sickening and cold-hearted. Whether the surge works or not, I just want this damned war to be over soon, and for us as a country to recognize that it has solved nothing.:-) I couldn't agree more with the above paragraph. Could you imagine our children going to school in the morning hoping they come home alive by the end of the day. Americans have no idea just how bad it is. Something has got to give by the end of the Fall season in Iraq or we need to get out of there el pronto. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
