Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sarah Palin Talks Tough to NRA
On 05/01/2014 04:05 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: On 5/1/2014 1:29 PM, Bhairitu wrote: The capitalist's party. Corporations now have personhood which means we can arrest them and throw them in prison. So let's arrest Goldman-Sachs to start. Maybe we should arrest Russia and China since they are the largest corporations and they are both based on capitalism. When you start working for free and return your SS check, I will give my car away to a poor person. Go figure. As usual you are not making any sense and your math is off. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sarah Palin Talks Tough to NRA
Have you ever visited any socialist countries? The problem in the US is we have runaway laissez-faire capitalism. Yes, crony socialism is as bad as crony capitalism. in general I am against tyranny of any kind. Of course most of this is of little interest on FFL where the favorite topic is a dying cult. :-D On 05/02/2014 08:18 AM, jedi_sp...@yahoo.com wrote: Capitalism needs to be tweaked. Richard Wolf says that 'centralized state socialism' is as bad as 'centralised state capitalism'. IOW, Crony socialism is as bad as crony capitalism. Crony socialism existed in india, Soviet union, China and large swaths on the globe in the 1950's and 60's. In the early 1970's the Soviet economy was already in the red and it became clear that the centralised state socialism is not working. It was then most countries changed course. If you are talking about socialism of the cooperative entities like mondrovia corp, or Amul cooperative in india, that's a different issue. They exist side by side with corporates and do business with them. You are better off socializing the political system. You may have to give millions the political parties, but it's small price to pay to prevent vested interests from corrupting the system. As the world moves into the third wave, new forms of ideologies might emerge. --- Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote : The bottom line is that capitalism is to chaotic to exist in a world population of 7 billion plus. The party is over. The capitalist's party. Corporations now have personhood which means we can arrest them and throw them in prison. So let's arrest Goldman-Sachs to start. The US economy no longer is based on education, hard work, free market prices and the accountability that real free markets impose. Instead, the US economy is based on manipulation of prices, speculative control of commodities, support of the dollar by Washington’s puppet states, manipulated and falsified official statistics, propaganda from the financial media, and inertia by countries, such as Russia and China, who are directly harmed, both economically and politically, by the dollar payments system. http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/04/30/us-economy-house-cards-paul-craig-roberts/ On 05/01/2014 05:25 AM, jedi_spock@... mailto:jedi_spock@... wrote: It's important to draw a line of distinction between creation of wealth and accumulation of wealth. If the income is not spent, but put in banks or government bonds, no tax should be levied on it. Banks can lend that money to government who can use the money for infrastructure development. Only if the income is spent on something, taxes should be levied on it. It should be progressive consumption tax and not progressive income tax. You must punish 'spending of wealth'. You must reward 'creation of wealth'. You must also give incentives for people to put their money in banks, IOW save money. --- Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : The original intent of the founding fathers was a mix of capitalism and socialism. There are just some things that need to be in the commons and the Internet is now a new one that belongs there. It is the role of government to maintain the commons and leaving it open for everyone. It is the role of the people to keep government reigned in and out of the clutches of special interests. We also don't need landed gentry which the founding fathers were against. Look at these pompous ass capitalists like Donald Sterling, Tom Perkins and the Koch brothers. Use progressive taxes to discourage absurd accumulation of wealth. When Tito ran Yugoslavia the citizens got a month vacation and free health care. It was a prosperous society and a mix of socialism and free enterprise. As soon as Tito died the globalists stepped in led by the US to destroy the country. When I visited India the most prosperous state was Kerala which has a mix of socialism and free enterprise. On 04/30/2014 04:41 AM, jedi_spock@... mailto:jedi_spock@... wrote: Agreed that greed kills. Sustainable development can be done if taxes are based on 'consumption of resources' and not income. Salaries and wages paid to employees should not be treated as consumption, but as general expenses (created wealth). The salaries and wage differentials across hierarchy in corporations can be flattened and narrowed down by strict regulations. What's stopping them from doing that? It's not enough, if you just give state-funding to political parties. The system should be transparent. Any system that is opaque becomes a ground for corruption. Darkness covers a multitude of sins. Shine the light and the system will cleanse itself. --- Bhairitu noozguru@...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sarah Palin Talks Tough to NRA
The bottom line is that capitalism is to chaotic to exist in a world population of 7 billion plus. The party is over. On 05/01/2014 05:25 AM, jedi_sp...@yahoo.com wrote: It's important to draw a line of distinction between creation of wealth and accumulation of wealth. If the income is not spent, but put in banks or government bonds, no tax should be levied on it. Banks can lend that money to government who can use the money for infrastructure development. Only if the income is spent on something, taxes should be levied on it. It should be progressive consumption tax and not progressive income tax. You must punish 'spending of wealth'. You must reward 'creation of wealth'. You must also give incentives for people to put their money in banks, IOW save money. --- Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote : The original intent of the founding fathers was a mix of capitalism and socialism. There are just some things that need to be in the commons and the Internet is now a new one that belongs there. It is the role of government to maintain the commons and leaving it open for everyone. It is the role of the people to keep government reigned in and out of the clutches of special interests. We also don't need landed gentry which the founding fathers were against. Look at these pompous ass capitalists like Donald Sterling, Tom Perkins and the Koch brothers. Use progressive taxes to discourage absurd accumulation of wealth. When Tito ran Yugoslavia the citizens got a month vacation and free health care. It was a prosperous society and a mix of socialism and free enterprise. As soon as Tito died the globalists stepped in led by the US to destroy the country. When I visited India the most prosperous state was Kerala which has a mix of socialism and free enterprise. On 04/30/2014 04:41 AM, jedi_spock@... mailto:jedi_spock@... wrote: Agreed that greed kills. Sustainable development can be done if taxes are based on 'consumption of resources' and not income. Salaries and wages paid to employees should not be treated as consumption, but as general expenses (created wealth). The salaries and wage differentials across hierarchy in corporations can be flattened and narrowed down by strict regulations. What's stopping them from doing that? It's not enough, if you just give state-funding to political parties. The system should be transparent. Any system that is opaque becomes a ground for corruption. Darkness covers a multitude of sins. Shine the light and the system will cleanse itself. --- Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : You're confusing capitalism with free enterprise. Capitalism itself generates entropy and chaos. Just look at what it has done to this country now. You really want to live in a country of poor people? Some correction needs to be done to reign in the oligarchs and plutocrats. Greed kills. On 04/29/2014 06:02 AM, jedi_spock@... mailto:jedi_spock@... wrote: Capitalism is the only system that can incentivize and motivate people. Again, only capitalism drives innovation and creativity, enables people to adapt to the everchanging conditions. It also generates wealth. By failing to emphasize incentives, socialism is a theory inconsistent with human nature and is therefore doomed to fail. Socialism is based on the theory that incentives don't matter! Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery...~ Winston Churchill Nature is balanced between 'meritocracy and egalitarianism.' Nature is balanced between the 'individual and collective.' Nature is balanced between 'competition and cooperation.' Nature is balanced between 'chaos and order.' Nature is balanced between 'determinism and randomness.' It's important to understand the paradoxes in nature. Cooperation is the other side of Competition. Both are two sides of the same Darwinian coin. Single cell organisms cooperated to evolve into multi-cellular organisms. On contrary to popular thinking, microbes are extremely social creatures. The constantly communicate with each other with chemical signals. Completely unrelated bacteria come together and work together on variety of things, like decomposing organic matter, breaking down food in human gut, etc etc. Lateral gene tranfer is common among microbes. Completely unrelated bacteria exchange genetic material to make themselves more resilent to harsh environments. --- Sparaig LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... wrote : The problem with Bernie Sanders (and I respect him highly) is that
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sarah Palin Talks Tough to NRA
On 5/1/2014 10:46 AM, Bhairitu wrote: The bottom line is that capitalism is to chaotic to exist in a world population of 7 billion plus. The party is over. Which party - the commie or the socialist? Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sarah Palin Talks Tough to NRA
The capitalist's party. Corporations now have personhood which means we can arrest them and throw them in prison. So let's arrest Goldman-Sachs to start. The US economy no longer is based on education, hard work, free market prices and the accountability that real free markets impose. Instead, the US economy is based on manipulation of prices, speculative control of commodities, support of the dollar by Washington’s puppet states, manipulated and falsified official statistics, propaganda from the financial media, and inertia by countries, such as Russia and China, who are directly harmed, both economically and politically, by the dollar payments system. http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/04/30/us-economy-house-cards-paul-craig-roberts/ On 05/01/2014 10:05 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: On 5/1/2014 10:46 AM, Bhairitu wrote: The bottom line is that capitalism is to chaotic to exist in a world population of 7 billion plus. The party is over. Which party - the commie or the socialist? Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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Uh... we also tax them. What was the cry before the revolution... no taxation without representation? On Thursday, May 1, 2014 11:29 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: The capitalist's party. Corporations now have personhood which means we can arrest them and throw them in prison. So let's arrest Goldman-Sachs to start. The US economy no longer is based on education, hard work, free market prices and the accountability that real free markets impose. Instead, the US economy is based on manipulation of prices, speculative control of commodities, support of the dollar by Washington’s puppet states, manipulated and falsified official statistics, propaganda from the financial media, and inertia by countries, such as Russia and China, who are directly harmed, both economically and politically, by the dollar payments system. http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/04/30/us-economy-house-cards-paul-craig-roberts/ On 05/01/2014 10:05 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: On 5/1/2014 10:46 AM, Bhairitu wrote: The bottom line is that capitalism is to chaotic to exist in a world population of 7 billion plus. The party is over. Which party - the commie or the socialist? Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sarah Palin Talks Tough to NRA
On 5/1/2014 1:29 PM, Bhairitu wrote: The capitalist's party. Corporations now have personhood which means we can arrest them and throw them in prison. So let's arrest Goldman-Sachs to start. Maybe we should arrest Russia and China since they are the largest corporations and they are both based on capitalism. When you start working for free and return your SS check, I will give my car away to a poor person. Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sarah Palin Talks Tough to NRA
Another hot day in San Francisco, CA. It's 81 degrees here in my town. I'm wishing for rain to fall anytime soon.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sarah Palin Talks Tough to NRA
The original intent of the founding fathers was a mix of capitalism and socialism. There are just some things that need to be in the commons and the Internet is now a new one that belongs there. It is the role of government to maintain the commons and leaving it open for everyone. It is the role of the people to keep government reigned in and out of the clutches of special interests. We also don't need landed gentry which the founding fathers were against. Look at these pompous ass capitalists like Donald Sterling, Tom Perkins and the Koch brothers. Use progressive taxes to discourage absurd accumulation of wealth. When Tito ran Yugoslavia the citizens got a month vacation and free health care. It was a prosperous society and a mix of socialism and free enterprise. As soon as Tito died the globalists stepped in led by the US to destroy the country. When I visited India the most prosperous state was Kerala which has a mix of socialism and free enterprise. On 04/30/2014 04:41 AM, jedi_sp...@yahoo.com wrote: Agreed that greed kills. Sustainable development can be done if taxes are based on 'consumption of resources' and not income. Salaries and wages paid to employees should not be treated as consumption, but as general expenses (created wealth). The salaries and wage differentials across hierarchy in corporations can be flattened and narrowed down by strict regulations. What's stopping them from doing that? It's not enough, if you just give state-funding to political parties. The system should be transparent. Any system that is opaque becomes a ground for corruption. Darkness covers a multitude of sins. Shine the light and the system will cleanse itself. --- Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote : You're confusing capitalism with free enterprise. Capitalism itself generates entropy and chaos. Just look at what it has done to this country now. You really want to live in a country of poor people? Some correction needs to be done to reign in the oligarchs and plutocrats. Greed kills. On 04/29/2014 06:02 AM, jedi_spock@... mailto:jedi_spock@... wrote: Capitalism is the only system that can incentivize and motivate people. Again, only capitalism drives innovation and creativity, enables people to adapt to the everchanging conditions. It also generates wealth. By failing to emphasize incentives, socialism is a theory inconsistent with human nature and is therefore doomed to fail. Socialism is based on the theory that incentives don't matter! Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery...~ Winston Churchill Nature is balanced between 'meritocracy and egalitarianism.' Nature is balanced between the 'individual and collective.' Nature is balanced between 'competition and cooperation.' Nature is balanced between 'chaos and order.' Nature is balanced between 'determinism and randomness.' It's important to understand the paradoxes in nature. Cooperation is the other side of Competition. Both are two sides of the same Darwinian coin. Single cell organisms cooperated to evolve into multi-cellular organisms. On contrary to popular thinking, microbes are extremely social creatures. The constantly communicate with each other with chemical signals. Completely unrelated bacteria come together and work together on variety of things, like decomposing organic matter, breaking down food in human gut, etc etc. Lateral gene tranfer is common among microbes. Completely unrelated bacteria exchange genetic material to make themselves more resilent to harsh environments. --- Sparaig LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... wrote : The problem with Bernie Sanders (and I respect him highly) is that he is a Socialist in both name and attitude. If you want the Right Wing to come out in droves in the next election, put a self-described Socialist (note capital-S) on the Democratic ticket. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9804E2DB1030F932A15752C0A9619C8B63pagewanted=all L --- Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Biden and Clinton are establishment candidates. Nothing will change if elected. There is a move to get Sanders to change from Independent to Democrat since he has said he is willing to run. Of course if he did get as far as the WH the first day there would be a come to Jesus session with him. I'm very cynical about this country because it has run it's course with capitalism which has been exploited to the point absurdity. We now live in a plutocracy. Do Presidents make any difference? They're mainly just car salesmen for the same corporate elite. How about a Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren ticket? That might actually sell well to
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sarah Palin Talks Tough to NRA
Bhairitu, The USA does not have a pure capitalist economy. It is now a mixture of economic doctrines. Specifically, some industries are regulated, such as the power and gas companies. Even the housing rental market, in most big cities like San Francisco, is regulated which includes very strict codes for evicting tenants who are not paying their rent. Also, there is a current political movement to increase the minimum wage to $22 per hour, which is much higher than the current rate in California which is $8 per hour.
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San Francisco is like another country. Only NYC has higher rents. City workers can't even afford to like in San Francisco. $22 an hour minimum wage? The problem isn't the minimum wage but the extreme cost of living. Minimum wage jobs were meant for unskilled workers and students who might be getting training for something better paying. They were not intended to be a career. I take it you don't keep up that much on local news? Try Talk 910. It WAS the Limbaugh - Hannity regime but they moved them to what was Green 960. Frosty is a bit of a joke but Gil Gross from 3-7 PM is good. We should be bragging about today's weather which may get into the 90s over here. And crying about the state barking at us this summer when the drought hits hard. On 04/30/2014 01:13 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Bhairitu, The USA does not have a pure capitalist economy. It is now a mixture of economic doctrines. Specifically, some industries are regulated, such as the power and gas companies. Even the housing rental market, in most big cities like San Francisco, is regulated which includes very strict codes for evicting tenants who are not paying their rent. Also, there is a current political movement to increase the minimum wage to $22 per hour, which is much higher than the current rate in California which is $8 per hour.
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Agreed. The Democrats must do everything possible to disguise their true intentions in order to avoid an outright rebellion at the polls. Incrementally, is the safest tactic. Set the hook in the jaw then reel in very slowly. On Tuesday, April 29, 2014 6:02 AM, jedi_sp...@yahoo.com jedi_sp...@yahoo.com wrote: Capitalism is the only system that can incentivize and motivate people. Again, only capitalism drives innovation and creativity, enables people to adapt to the everchanging conditions. It also generates wealth. By failing to emphasize incentives, socialism is a theory inconsistent with human nature and is therefore doomed to fail. Socialism is based on the theory that incentives don't matter! Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery...~ Winston Churchill Nature is balanced between 'meritocracy and egalitarianism.' Nature is balanced between the 'individual and collective.' Nature is balanced between 'competition and cooperation.' Nature is balanced between 'chaos and order.' Nature is balanced between 'determinism and randomness.' It's important to understand the paradoxes in nature. Cooperation is the other side of Competition. Both are two sides of the same Darwinian coin. Single cell organisms cooperated to evolve into multi-cellular organisms. On contrary to popular thinking, microbes are extremely social creatures. The constantly communicate with each other with chemical signals. Completely unrelated bacteria come together and work together on variety of things, like decomposing organic matter, breaking down food in human gut, etc etc. Lateral gene tranfer is common among microbes. Completely unrelated bacteria exchange genetic material to make themselves more resilent to harsh environments. --- Sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote : The problem with Bernie Sanders (and I respect him highly) is that he is a Socialist in both name and attitude. If you want the Right Wing to come out in droves in the next election, put a self-described Socialist (note capital-S) on the Democratic ticket. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9804E2DB1030F932A15752C0A9619C8B63pagewanted=all L --- Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote : Biden and Clinton are establishment candidates. Nothing will change if elected. There is a move to get Sanders to change from Independent to Democrat since he has said he is willing to run. Of course if he did get as far as the WH the first day there would be a come to Jesus session with him. I'm very cynical about this country because it has run it's course with capitalism which has been exploited to the point absurdity. We now live in a plutocracy. Do Presidents make any difference? They're mainly just car salesmen for the same corporate elite. How about a Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren ticket? That might actually sell well to the millennials who you have to consider.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sarah Palin Talks Tough to NRA
You're confusing capitalism with free enterprise. Capitalism itself generates entropy and chaos. Just look at what it has done to this country now. You really want to live in a country of poor people? Some correction needs to be done to reign in the oligarchs and plutocrats. Greed kills. On 04/29/2014 06:02 AM, jedi_sp...@yahoo.com wrote: Capitalism is the only system that can incentivize and motivate people. Again, only capitalism drives innovation and creativity, enables people to adapt to the everchanging conditions. It also generates wealth. By failing to emphasize incentives, socialism is a theory inconsistent with human nature and is therefore doomed to fail. Socialism is based on the theory that incentives don't matter! Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery...~ Winston Churchill Nature is balanced between 'meritocracy and egalitarianism.' Nature is balanced between the 'individual and collective.' Nature is balanced between 'competition and cooperation.' Nature is balanced between 'chaos and order.' Nature is balanced between 'determinism and randomness.' It's important to understand the paradoxes in nature. Cooperation is the other side of Competition. Both are two sides of the same Darwinian coin. Single cell organisms cooperated to evolve into multi-cellular organisms. On contrary to popular thinking, microbes are extremely social creatures. The constantly communicate with each other with chemical signals. Completely unrelated bacteria come together and work together on variety of things, like decomposing organic matter, breaking down food in human gut, etc etc. Lateral gene tranfer is common among microbes. Completely unrelated bacteria exchange genetic material to make themselves more resilent to harsh environments. --- Sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote : The problem with Bernie Sanders (and I respect him highly) is that he is a Socialist in both name and attitude. If you want the Right Wing to come out in droves in the next election, put a self-described Socialist (note capital-S) on the Democratic ticket. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9804E2DB1030F932A15752C0A9619C8B63pagewanted=all L --- Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote : Biden and Clinton are establishment candidates. Nothing will change if elected. There is a move to get Sanders to change from Independent to Democrat since he has said he is willing to run. Of course if he did get as far as the WH the first day there would be a come to Jesus session with him. I'm very cynical about this country because it has run it's course with capitalism which has been exploited to the point absurdity. We now live in a plutocracy. Do Presidents make any difference? They're mainly just car salesmen for the same corporate elite. How about a Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren ticket? That might actually sell well to the millennials who you have to consider.
