Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
Excellent, thank you - I agree with everything you have said, although I still have some reservations about the practice itself after having talked with Mark Landau and due to all the old stories I have heard about suicides, major unstressing, and having seen people become emotionally disconnected and unable to function well in society - I have seen the latter myself, so I agree that TM can be ok for some, but it isn't without it's downside. And thanks for posting a cogent and well reasoned essay. From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 3:12 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Every exchange like this just reinforces my belief that long term TM makes ones brain turn into mush and removes the ability to think clearly. A belief is a thought that the world is a certain way. It would seem the term 'knowledge' might refer to an experience or thought that correlates with the way the world really is. In practice though knowledge based on thought is hypothetical, that is, we cannot know a thought represents reality without a test of some kind. And if a thought refers to things we cannot test, then knowledge is impossible. I personally do not think TM turns the brain into mush. But one has to look at the environment in which it is used. Beginning meditators usually, if their experience is good, are enthusiastic, and one can excuse them for that. But if they get more involved, they find themselves enmeshed in an organisation that does not really allow creative independent thinking - everything in that environment tends toward doing what 'Maharishi expected people to do', which means that your thinking has to be along the lines of that rut. The TMO does not sanction independent thinking unless it brings in more cash (like Lynch for example) I was just looking at documents on the Zen-trained Adyashanti's web site. This is the complete summary of his teaching in his own words: Be still. Question every thought. Contemplate the source of Reality. That second line is interesting, since it seems to me to be fundamental to getting oneself out of the rut of mere belief. Spiritual engagement is such a peculiar thing to get involved in. It takes all sorts of bizarre forms. You need independent thinking to wade through the morass of conflicting and unbelievable beliefs one encounters in every kind of spiritual movement. You need to be curious. You really have to wonder how you have gotten yourself in such a situation, and how to get out of it what you came into it for. If you came into it to feel good, probably you will fail. If you came into it to become part of a community, probably you will fail in that greater task that is called enlightenment. The environment of the TMO and its suburbs I feel is not conducive to enlightenment unless a person is very focused on being enlightened; it will rot your brain; not the TM, that is a tool that can be used wisely or not, but constantly having to conform to a particular mindset will erode purpose. My experience was I began to forget my purpose. When I left, that purpose began to re-emerge. It was a subtle kind of suppression. I do not mind being around dedicated TMO-ites now, because I have my purpose and my life; they cannot infiltrate, and strangely TM had a big part to play in this, but it took a long time to unfold, not because any particular kind of meditation is inefficient, but because for most, including me, it just takes a long time to break through one's delusions. If you are aligned with a movement that fosters delusions, you are sunk.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars to Judy
Another good point, in case you're reading posts. I just saw that Fox News revealed the victim's name after promising not to reveal the names of the perps. The victim has already received 2 death threats! BTW, I liked your joke about the Two Years Before the Mast hunk (-: From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 11:08 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars to Judy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, I appreciate your take on this, that they were emphasizing how bad the consequences were going to be for the boys. Something I hadn't thought of. BTW, when I said in another post something about the whole report not being seen, I was referring to the clip which excluded the last part of the exchange between Crowley and Harlow, which you provided as transcript. Thanks again for that. Oh, I see. I was confused because you said you thought CNN had omitted it from the report. While I'm at it, another point that occurred to me is that CNN had been covering the whole mess, including the trial, all along. On Sunday morning, the only thing that would have been new to CNN viewers was the verdict, so the breaking-news segment would naturally have focused on that and its consequences for the perps.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars to Judy
Share - wasn't just Fox news - the name was outed as part of a vid clip that was aired by CNN, Fox, MSNBC according a google search of mine just now. The word perp stands for perpetrator, so that second sentence doesn't make any sense. The release of her name has nothing to do with who sent her death threats. Apparently, it was teenage girls who sent the death threats - everyone in town and in the high school, and all of their respective families and friends, at the very, very least know who the girl is. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars to Judy Another good point, in case you're reading posts. I just saw that Fox News revealed the victim's name after promising not to reveal the names of the perps. The victim has already received 2 death threats! BTW, I liked your joke about the Two Years Before the Mast hunk (-: From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 11:08 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars to Judy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, I appreciate your take on this, that they were emphasizing how bad the consequences were going to be for the boys. Something I hadn't thought of. BTW, when I said in another post something about the whole report not being seen, I was referring to the clip which excluded the last part of the exchange between Crowley and Harlow, which you provided as transcript. Thanks again for that. Oh, I see. I was confused because you said you thought CNN had omitted it from the report. While I'm at it, another point that occurred to me is that CNN had been covering the whole mess, including the trial, all along. On Sunday morning, the only thing that would have been new to CNN viewers was the verdict, so the breaking-news segment would naturally have focused on that and its consequences for the perps.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
Xeno wrote about Adyashanti: This is the complete summary of his teaching in his own words: Be still. Question every thought. Contemplate the source of Reality. Me: Of course he had to say a whole lot more than this to sell his books and give workshops (-: Xeno, it seems like a whole lot of wondering about something, enlightenment, that you've elsewhere said does not exist. Probably I misunderstood. From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 2:12 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Every exchange like this just reinforces my belief that long term TM makes ones brain turn into mush and removes the ability to think clearly. A belief is a thought that the world is a certain way. It would seem the term 'knowledge' might refer to an experience or thought that correlates with the way the world really is. In practice though knowledge based on thought is hypothetical, that is, we cannot know a thought represents reality without a test of some kind. And if a thought refers to things we cannot test, then knowledge is impossible. I personally do not think TM turns the brain into mush. But one has to look at the environment in which it is used. Beginning meditators usually, if their experience is good, are enthusiastic, and one can excuse them for that. But if they get more involved, they find themselves enmeshed in an organisation that does not really allow creative independent thinking - everything in that environment tends toward doing what 'Maharishi expected people to do', which means that your thinking has to be along the lines of that rut. The TMO does not sanction independent thinking unless it brings in more cash (like Lynch for example) I was just looking at documents on the Zen-trained Adyashanti's web site. This is the complete summary of his teaching in his own words: Be still. Question every thought. Contemplate the source of Reality. That second line is interesting, since it seems to me to be fundamental to getting oneself out of the rut of mere belief. Spiritual engagement is such a peculiar thing to get involved in. It takes all sorts of bizarre forms. You need independent thinking to wade through the morass of conflicting and unbelievable beliefs one encounters in every kind of spiritual movement. You need to be curious. You really have to wonder how you have gotten yourself in such a situation, and how to get out of it what you came into it for. If you came into it to feel good, probably you will fail. If you came into it to become part of a community, probably you will fail in that greater task that is called enlightenment. The environment of the TMO and its suburbs I feel is not conducive to enlightenment unless a person is very focused on being enlightened; it will rot your brain; not the TM, that is a tool that can be used wisely or not, but constantly having to conform to a particular mindset will erode purpose. My experience was I began to forget my purpose. When I left, that purpose began to re-emerge. It was a subtle kind of suppression. I do not mind being around dedicated TMO-ites now, because I have my purpose and my life; they cannot infiltrate, and strangely TM had a big part to play in this, but it took a long time to unfold, not because any particular kind of meditation is inefficient, but because for most, including me, it just takes a long time to break through one's delusions. If you are aligned with a movement that fosters delusions, you are sunk.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
Thank you Barry, I appreciate it, MJ is surely nodding his head as he reads this - unfortunately his hands err fingers tied at 50 posts. I called them critics - but no, I should have called them cultists - as you rightly point out. These cultists - Judy, Share, feste, Steve better watch out. MJ will come out with a fury that will be devastating. 30 anti-TM posts in the first day, with the same consistent cluelessness, retardedness that will have them breaking in to a cold sweat, which will be followed by 20 more random clueless, retarded responses to these cultists in the second day. You I, I am sure will then step up to keep his message alive. Thanks Barry. On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 10:17 PM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: ** Following up on this, because I suspect that one or more of the cultists will try to pretend that they aren't cultists :-), the distinction I'm trying to make in my definition of what constitutes a cultist is about the trigger that sets them off. It's NOT criticism of them personally. That's just how they interpret criticism of the organization or group they pathologically over-identify with. If you perceive criticism of an *idea* -- a belief or set of beliefs -- that you identify with as if it were an attack on you personally, then what you are demonstrating IMO is an over-attachment to that set of beliefs or idea, and a *lack* of self- knowledge -- where you start and where you end. Similarly, if you over-react and plunge into a new round of shoot the messenger because someone criticizes the consistent and repetitive behavior of the group -- *especially* when that group behavior mirrors your own behavior -- then you're a cultist. Normal people can discuss ideas, and even ideas they hold strongly, without having to resort to cultist, knee-jerk behavior when doing so. Normal people can recognize that human beings can hold different opinions about ideas and still be human beings. Cultists can't. They feel compelled to describe those who believe differently than they do as having some failing or as if their difference of belief is somehow malevolent, an attack on them *and* the things they believe in. A criticism of TM, its philosophy, and the behavior of its leaders is NOT an attack on religion -- it's a criticism of ideas. When someone who believes in those ideas reacts as if they'd been struck in the face, then I think most people would recognize that they have grown too attached to those ideas, and have lost their sense of boundaries -- where they leave off and their beliefs start up. The parallel in the larger world is the concerted attempt by some people to characterize any criticism of the State of Israel and its politics and policies as anti-semitism. There is simply NO QUESTION that a lot of TMers are cultists in this regard. When MJ rails about the TMO, they react as if he's railing against them personally, and they *over-react* as strongly as if they were black and he'd called them a nigger. That's INSANE in my view. Ideas are just ideas. Beliefs are just beliefs. Your ideas and your beliefs are not you. Get over it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: *Cult: a religion without political influence. Tom Wolfe. Love this. Tom always had a way with words. TM (unlike Catholicism, Judaism, and Hinduism in India) never had any political influence, so they went instead for celebrity influence, courting famous people and trying to use *their* names and images to sell its products. As for cults, my definition tends more towards, A cult is any organization in which its members perceive any criticism of the organization as criticism of them per- sonally, or even as an 'attack' against them personally, and then react angrily to that criticism. This would hold true IMO for spiritual organizations, corporations, political parties, whatever. It's the *behavior* that defines cultism, not the nature of the org. It's the overidentification with the group and the over- reaction to criticism that does it for me, and that defines a group as a cult and its members as cultists. That and certain classically cult behavioral patterns like playing shoot the messenger and attacking the critic while ignoring the criticisms. By that standard, there are a few people on FFL who are definitely cultists. There are also some TM practitioners on this forum who are not, but we rarely hear from them. Mainly it's the cultists who feel the need to follow up any criticism with samskaric attachment/aversion behavior and attack the critics. Whatever floats their boats, I guess. I just don't understand how they believe that they're presenting a positive view of the organization they're protecting or the technique it sells. If simple criticism can push their
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
Why do you do this Barry - make me unhappy as I'm about go to bed. I hate you OK. Wait you say I railed against Amma and then say I am a cultist? It doesn't make any sense Barry - I have lot of negative things to say against Maharishi, I suppose you forgot all that? Anyway that I railed against Amma is a fantasy, a fiction. I had certain very specific things to say against her and her cult, I did during August-September last year and I am done, it will just be rinse and repeat of very specific things as time and occasion demands it. I am not not like you - miserable, pathetic self railing against TM for last 30 -40 years is it? Stalk forums looking to dump my shit on others like you. I'm never going to be like you and MJ - some pathological need to speak against someone - blaming them for everything under the Sun - like the Steubenville rape and Penis snatching delusional beliefs in Africa..LOL You and MJ seriously need help for your pathological, delusional rantings. On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 11:31 PM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: ** It is worth pointing out that some TM cultists on this forum never even learned TM. They just join in the piling on against TM critics because they're too dumb to do anything else, because they're used to doing it and don't know how to do anything else, and because they feed on the strokes they get from other cultists when they do it. What MJ is doing is nothing more than what *you* did (and which we mainly tolerated) when you railed against Amma, the cult *you* were involved with. You need another trip back to India, Ravi. You actually seemed human when you were posting from there. Now you're just a troll. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Thank you Barry, I appreciate it, MJ is surely nodding his head as he reads this - unfortunately his hands err fingers tied at 50 posts. I called them critics - but no, I should have called them cultists - as you rightly point out. These cultists - Judy, Share, feste, Steve better watch out. MJ will come out with a fury that will be devastating. 30 anti-TM posts in the first day, with the same consistent cluelessness, retardedness that will have them breaking in to a cold sweat, which will be followed by 20 more random clueless, retarded responses to these cultists in the second day. You I, I am sure will then step up to keep his message alive. Thanks Barry. On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 10:17 PM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ** Following up on this, because I suspect that one or more of the cultists will try to pretend that they aren't cultists :-), the distinction I'm trying to make in my definition of what constitutes a cultist is about the trigger that sets them off. It's NOT criticism of them personally. That's just how they interpret criticism of the organization or group they pathologically over-identify with. If you perceive criticism of an *idea* -- a belief or set of beliefs -- that you identify with as if it were an attack on you personally, then what you are demonstrating IMO is an over-attachment to that set of beliefs or idea, and a *lack* of self- knowledge -- where you start and where you end. Similarly, if you over-react and plunge into a new round of shoot the messenger because someone criticizes the consistent and repetitive behavior of the group -- *especially* when that group behavior mirrors your own behavior -- then you're a cultist. Normal people can discuss ideas, and even ideas they hold strongly, without having to resort to cultist, knee-jerk behavior when doing so. Normal people can recognize that human beings can hold different opinions about ideas and still be human beings. Cultists can't. They feel compelled to describe those who believe differently than they do as having some failing or as if their difference of belief is somehow malevolent, an attack on them *and* the things they believe in. A criticism of TM, its philosophy, and the behavior of its leaders is NOT an attack on religion -- it's a criticism of ideas. When someone who believes in those ideas reacts as if they'd been struck in the face, then I think most people would recognize that they have grown too attached to those ideas, and have lost their sense of boundaries -- where they leave off and their beliefs start up. The parallel in the larger world is the concerted attempt by some people to characterize any criticism of the State of Israel and its politics and policies as anti-semitism. There is simply NO QUESTION that a lot of TMers are cultists in this regard. When MJ rails about the TMO, they react as if he's railing against them personally, and they *over-react* as strongly as if they were black and he'd called them a nigger. That's INSANE in my view.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars
You got one thing right though Barry - that I'm a troll. Yep totally, trolling for bullshit, pathological bullshit like yours. On Mar 21, 2013, at 12:17 AM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com wrote: Why do you do this Barry - make me unhappy as I'm about go to bed. I hate you OK. Wait you say I railed against Amma and then say I am a cultist? It doesn't make any sense Barry - I have lot of negative things to say against Maharishi, I suppose you forgot all that? Anyway that I railed against Amma is a fantasy, a fiction. I had certain very specific things to say against her and her cult, I did during August-September last year and I am done, it will just be rinse and repeat of very specific things as time and occasion demands it. I am not not like you - miserable, pathetic self railing against TM for last 30 -40 years is it? Stalk forums looking to dump my shit on others like you. I'm never going to be like you and MJ - some pathological need to speak against someone - blaming them for everything under the Sun - like the Steubenville rape and Penis snatching delusional beliefs in Africa..LOL You and MJ seriously need help for your pathological, delusional rantings. On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 11:31 PM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: It is worth pointing out that some TM cultists on this forum never even learned TM. They just join in the piling on against TM critics because they're too dumb to do anything else, because they're used to doing it and don't know how to do anything else, and because they feed on the strokes they get from other cultists when they do it. What MJ is doing is nothing more than what *you* did (and which we mainly tolerated) when you railed against Amma, the cult *you* were involved with. You need another trip back to India, Ravi. You actually seemed human when you were posting from there. Now you're just a troll. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Thank you Barry, I appreciate it, MJ is surely nodding his head as he reads this - unfortunately his hands err fingers tied at 50 posts. I called them critics - but no, I should have called them cultists - as you rightly point out. These cultists - Judy, Share, feste, Steve better watch out. MJ will come out with a fury that will be devastating. 30 anti-TM posts in the first day, with the same consistent cluelessness, retardedness that will have them breaking in to a cold sweat, which will be followed by 20 more random clueless, retarded responses to these cultists in the second day. You I, I am sure will then step up to keep his message alive. Thanks Barry. On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 10:17 PM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: ** Following up on this, because I suspect that one or more of the cultists will try to pretend that they aren't cultists :-), the distinction I'm trying to make in my definition of what constitutes a cultist is about the trigger that sets them off. It's NOT criticism of them personally. That's just how they interpret criticism of the organization or group they pathologically over-identify with. If you perceive criticism of an *idea* -- a belief or set of beliefs -- that you identify with as if it were an attack on you personally, then what you are demonstrating IMO is an over-attachment to that set of beliefs or idea, and a *lack* of self- knowledge -- where you start and where you end. Similarly, if you over-react and plunge into a new round of shoot the messenger because someone criticizes the consistent and repetitive behavior of the group -- *especially* when that group behavior mirrors your own behavior -- then you're a cultist. Normal people can discuss ideas, and even ideas they hold strongly, without having to resort to cultist, knee-jerk behavior when doing so. Normal people can recognize that human beings can hold different opinions about ideas and still be human beings. Cultists can't. They feel compelled to describe those who believe differently than they do as having some failing or as if their difference of belief is somehow malevolent, an attack on them *and* the things they believe in. A criticism of TM, its philosophy, and the behavior of its leaders is NOT an attack on religion -- it's a criticism of ideas. When someone who believes in those ideas reacts as if they'd been struck in the face, then I think most people would recognize that they have grown too attached to those ideas, and have lost their sense of boundaries -- where they leave off and their beliefs start up. The parallel in the larger world is the concerted attempt by some people to characterize any criticism of the State of Israel and its politics and policies as anti-semitism. There is simply NO QUESTION that a lot of TMers
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars to Judy
Judy, I appreciate your take on this, that they were emphasizing how bad the consequences were going to be for the boys. Something I hadn't thought of. BTW, when I said in another post something about the whole report not being seen, I was referring to the clip which excluded the last part of the exchange between Crowley and Harlow, which you provided as transcript. Thanks again for that. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 5:44 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Every exchange like this just reinforces my belief that long term TM makes ones brain turn into mush and removes the ability to think clearly. Right, Michael, you're obviously the clear-thinking one here. Too bad you haven't been able to address a single one of the points that have been made. Too bad you can only make your case by wildly exaggerating what was said in that clip. How many times do you hear reporters give a show of hand wringing over the fate of convicted rapists? Is that what they were doing? Or were they deliberately emphasizing how bad the consequences were going to be for these boys *as a warning* to other boys who might be tempted to engage in similar misbehavior? As in: This was a crime, and these guys are going to suffer for it the rest of their lives. You don't want to end up like them. A reporters job is to report the facts, not commiserate with the criminals Neither of them was commiserating with the criminals. That's insane. (snip) Your attitude seems to be - Oh Candy is a TM'er and so anything she does is beyond reproach - you people really are screwed up. No, buster, that you would think any of us had that attitude is what's really screwed up. Take a look at what the non-TM world thinks of this crap: CNN's unconscionable coverage of the Steubenville Rape Case verdict is pissing everyone off. For the record, there were seven segments on CNN on Sunday about the verdict, not just the breaking-news item, which is what all the fuss is about. You can check out transcripts of all the segments here: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/2013.03.17.html Interestingly, in the breaking-news item, following the appearance of the legal expert, Crowley and Harlow continued their discussion. Here's the transcript of that portion of the breaking-news item (which was not included in the clip): - CROWLEY: Paul, thanks. I want to bring Poppy back in -- because, Poppy, there's -- you know, the 16-year-old victim, her life, never the same, again. And I understand you have been talking to some of the families involved. HARLOW: Her life never the same again. Absolutely, Candy. The last thing she wanted to do was sit on that stand and testify. She didn't want to bring these charges. She said it was up to her parents. But I want to tell our viewers about a statement that her mother just made, just made in the court after the sentencing. Her mother just said that she has pity on the two young boys that did this. She said human compassion is not taught by teachers or coaches. It's a God-given gift, saying that you displayed a lack of compassion, a lack of moral code, saying that you were your own accuser throughout this for posting about this all over social media. And she said she takes pity on them. As far as her daughter, she said she will persevere, she will get through this. But the words of an angry mother who now has a sentence, that I believe she would consider or a verdict, just -- Candy. CROWLEY: CNN's Poppy Harlow, thank you. Also to our legal contributor Paul Callan. Of course, we will be following this story throughout the day. - And they did. But the jezebel.com post says: Newscaster Candy Crowley, general correspondent Poppy Harlow, and legal expert Paul Callan all did their very best to focus solely on the guilty verdict's repercussions on the two rapists. There's next to no coverage of the girl who was brutally raped; instead, they talk almost exclusively of the rapists†the two teenagers who had such bright futures, and now their lives are completely ruined from this one little indiscretion. Isn't it a shame how they suffer? This is simply not true, as you can see from the transcript above. I read the transcripts of a couple of the later segments on Sunday on the verdict, and it isn't true of them either. As I said, I'm not a fan of Crowley. But she has been treated unfairly in this discussion for the purpose of advancing an anti-TM agenda. And I think that stinks.
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LOL..sounds good dear Steve, I'm especially glad that conversations with Devi are allowed. On Mar 20, 2013, at 5:07 AM, seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Yes you are amazing Steve - one of a kind. A dramatic breakthrough because of you - it's too overwhelming, I may have to be silent for the whole week to understand all the implications of this painful lesson. Ravi, I want to get serious here. An important tenant of the TM Program, is to not strain during meditation. And an advanced tenant of the program is to not strain in activity either. So, when I hear you talk about being silent for a whole week, I feel I must intervene. This would not be a good idea for you. But, if you decide to take such an action, let's note these exceptions. Singing Bhajans, or recent Bollywood Soundtracks in the car: Allowed Talking to fellow employees or programmers during smoke break: Allowed Talking on the phone for purposes of setting up a date: Allowed Any conversation with Devi, either in your head, or out loud: Allowed Talking to your Granny, or any other family member in India: Allowed So, within these guidelines, I feel I can support your proposal to remain silent for a week. Let me know if I can offer any additional advice in this regard. Your friend always, Steve
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Oh well hello there Salivating puppy, His Holiness and King Baby, MJ processing is well and good. But he is accusing TM of masterminding Steubenville rape and Penis snatching incidents in Africa, LOL..does that sound rational to you guys? On Mar 20, 2013, at 10:11 AM, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: I really enjoyed this post Salyavin. Especially your compassionate description of the process of leaving a group like TM and understanding what MJ is processing. Humor is the balm that makes it all go easier. Nice one. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote Unfortunately, in his zeal to denounce TM, MJ has become a bigot. He attacks Crowley simply because she is a TMer. Is that any better than attacking someone for being a Catholic, or Mormon, or a Jew? Let's suppose that someone is angry at the Catholic Church (Those priests are all child molesters!) and then finds a news presenter who happens to be Catholic and attacks them for something innocuous they said, when his real purpose is to display anti-Catholic bigotry. Poor MJ seems to be in a state of permanent rage and righteous indignation, and bigotry is the result. I wish he would go fishing or something to calm down. Maybe you should go on an introductory talk. One of the claims of TM, as reported in 600,000 studies in 475,000 universities, is that it improves moral reasoning by bringing one more in tune with natural law (whatever that is) This isn't something the other religions you mention have even thought of as a selling point. I didn't watch the video or read the report though so there's no point trying to drag me into the argument Does seem obvious though that TM has no more intrinsic emotional developmental value than just praying to the skydaddy. Perhaps he is working THROUGH something or maybe MJ is just STUCK in the mud, spinning his tires or maybe he has moved ahead a few feet. I am not yet sure based on his posts but we are certainly all sounding boards here. I can keep allowing his voice to reverberate off of me but I have no more to add to what he has to say. It is like he keeps worrying that big boil of his but I think it is still there. It would be nice to think it would burst and go away but at this moment I am not convinced it will. Of course it will, he's angry because he's realised he got duped by a cult* and is directing his feeling of being had by a con man into anger at the scam he willingly went along with. It's a process, sooner or later it evens out. Everyone makes peace with the past and learns to see their own part in it, and finally the funny side of having once thought that nature (whatever that is) might give you some support just because you sit with your eyes closed twice a day. At the moment MJ seems to be happy railing against his previous beliefs and pointing out their absurdity. We've all either been there or will go there or will die before we even realise we got had. *Cult: a religion without political influence. Tom Wolfe.
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On Mar 20, 2013, at 11:53 AM, seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Oh well hello there Salivating puppy, His Holiness and King Baby, MJ processing is well and good. But he is accusing TM of masterminding Steubenville rape and Penis snatching incidents in Africa, LOL..does that sound rational to you guys? I wonder if there could ever be a cunt snatcher. But maybe that wouldn't make any sense. Yes - thank you for that, there are - though rare per the article. So this was an accidental omission and no disrespect was meant to the delusional MJ and his equally delusional brothers and sisters in Africa.
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Yes thank you for that video dear Obba - with so much hatred dividing us on national, racial, gender lines it is really heartening to see MJ and his counterparts in Africa not rest on music, education alone and to also use delusional beliefs in trying to unite us. But of course dear Obba, some haters may challenge this strategy as untested and bizarre, but I personally disagree strongly and am touched - really touched by MJ's contributions here. On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 5:53 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: On Mar 20, 2013, at 11:53 AM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Oh well hello there Salivating puppy, His Holiness and King Baby, MJ processing is well and good. But he is accusing TM of masterminding Steubenville rape and Penis snatching incidents in Africa, LOL..does that sound rational to you guys? I wonder if there could ever be a cunt snatcher. But maybe that wouldn't make any sense. Yes - thank you for that, there are - though rare per the article. So this was an accidental omission and no disrespect was meant to the delusional MJ and his equally delusional brothers and sisters in Africa. Hahahahahahaha! Ravi, you just gave me a Ravioli Slur spit, that missed my keyboard by two inches, the size of which is left once the penis snatchers take a load away. Bhahahahaha MJ is singing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcwblvqir-s waiting for the commercial is worth it. :) Oh, I left out the cheese. Cheese Ravioli and marinara sauce and Parmesan cheese sprinkled on top. The pun came from what I am eating for dinner and it is completely a coincidence Ravi's name begins sounding like Ravioli! True story, bro. :)
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Yeah MJ's made South Carolina and whole of the Appalachian proud and shown everyone back there that it's just not some rich folks and a bunch of faggots from California that can use computers and that a native son of the South can walk toe to toe with them on those internet thingies with his head held high. The support from King Baby Barry, His Holiness Curtis and the Salivating Puppy are among the highlights of MJ's contributions. On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 6:54 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.comwrote: Yes thank you for that video dear Obba - with so much hatred dividing us on national, racial, gender lines it is really heartening to see MJ and his counterparts in Africa not rest on music, education alone and to also use delusional beliefs in trying to unite us. But of course dear Obba, some haters may challenge this strategy as untested and bizarre, but I personally disagree strongly and am touched - really touched by MJ's contributions here. On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 5:53 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: On Mar 20, 2013, at 11:53 AM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Oh well hello there Salivating puppy, His Holiness and King Baby, MJ processing is well and good. But he is accusing TM of masterminding Steubenville rape and Penis snatching incidents in Africa, LOL..does that sound rational to you guys? I wonder if there could ever be a cunt snatcher. But maybe that wouldn't make any sense. Yes - thank you for that, there are - though rare per the article. So this was an accidental omission and no disrespect was meant to the delusional MJ and his equally delusional brothers and sisters in Africa. Hahahahahahaha! Ravi, you just gave me a Ravioli Slur spit, that missed my keyboard by two inches, the size of which is left once the penis snatchers take a load away. Bhahahahaha MJ is singing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcwblvqir-s waiting for the commercial is worth it. :) Oh, I left out the cheese. Cheese Ravioli and marinara sauce and Parmesan cheese sprinkled on top. The pun came from what I am eating for dinner and it is completely a coincidence Ravi's name begins sounding like Ravioli! True story, bro. :)
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Thank you dear Obba - yes I am sure MJ, now that he has posted out, will be incredibly happy at my aggressive defense of him. These critics of MJ - Judy, Feste, Steve, Share cannot lay a hand upon him. Their critique can never acquire the potency equal to the retardedness of his posts. That boy MJ is untouchable - he done made his mama proud !!! On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 8:45 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ** The grin on my face is overwhelming my tooth support right now. hahahahahaha --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Yeah MJ's made South Carolina and whole of the Appalachian proud and shown everyone back there that it's just not some rich folks and a bunch of faggots from California that can use computers and that a native son of the South can walk toe to toe with them on those internet thingies with his head held high. The support from King Baby Barry, His Holiness Curtis and the Salivating Puppy are among the highlights of MJ's contributions. On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 6:54 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ ...wrote: Yes thank you for that video dear Obba - with so much hatred dividing us on national, racial, gender lines it is really heartening to see MJ and his counterparts in Africa not rest on music, education alone and to also use delusional beliefs in trying to unite us. But of course dear Obba, some haters may challenge this strategy as untested and bizarre, but I personally disagree strongly and am touched - really touched by MJ's contributions here. On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 5:53 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: On Mar 20, 2013, at 11:53 AM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Oh well hello there Salivating puppy, His Holiness and King Baby, MJ processing is well and good. But he is accusing TM of masterminding Steubenville rape and Penis snatching incidents in Africa, LOL..does that sound rational to you guys? I wonder if there could ever be a cunt snatcher. But maybe that wouldn't make any sense. Yes - thank you for that, there are - though rare per the article. So this was an accidental omission and no disrespect was meant to the delusional MJ and his equally delusional brothers and sisters in Africa. Hahahahahahaha! Ravi, you just gave me a Ravioli Slur spit, that missed my keyboard by two inches, the size of which is left once the penis snatchers take a load away. Bhahahahaha MJ is singing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcwblvqir-s waiting for the commercial is worth it. :) Oh, I left out the cheese. Cheese Ravioli and marinara sauce and Parmesan cheese sprinkled on top. The pun came from what I am eating for dinner and it is completely a coincidence Ravi's name begins sounding like Ravioli! True story, bro. :)
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And what do you consider whining about the effects of a relatively light sentence handed down on two punks who abused an unconscious girl? Juvenile? Insensitive? Adding to the already atrocious attitudes about women who are raped and sexually abused and the boys will be boys attitude about their attackers? Or is it ok to express such attitudes when one is a TM Practitioner? If TM celebrities are people to be looked up to since their TM practice makes them phenomenal people, surely they should be held to even a modicum of decent behavior, I am not even suggesting a higher standard of behavior than poor non-TM'ers. Now here is a subject for discussion on FFL and I have probably posted out. From: feste37 fest...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 8:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars You are not a disciplined thinker, MJ. You just pour out anything that enters your head, and you seem obsessed with criticizing other people's behavior. I find it all very juvenile. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: tell it to the tens of thousands of people who are reviling her for her sympathy for a couple of true idiots and abusers of a passed out 16 year old girl - in true TM addle-headed fashion, you are excusing asinine behavior purely because it is behavior of a TM'er and a TM'er who has been used to tout the greatness of TM - deal with it feste - TM is no panacea and a whole bunch of these celebrities like Howard Stern, Russell Brand, and Lynch himself are, perversely excellent poster children of TM for their bad behavior because it unintentionally highlights all that is screwed up and hypocritical in the Movement, but much like those who post some trivial bull manure that is happening in Latin America as proof of Raja Luis's phenomenal success in setting up flying groups there, while ignoring the other 25 things that are gong wrong in the same geographical area, you continue to embrace fantasy as reality. From: feste37 feste37@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 9:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars  Only an idiot would use this to take a swipe at TM. Time to grow up, MJ. I watched it. She is not oozing sympathy. There's nothing wrong with what she says. She's pursuing the story, that's all. The youth of the defendants, and what will happen to them, is part of that story. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Candy Crowley Oozes Sympathy for Steubenville Rapists http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/candy-crowley-oozes-sympathy-steubenville-r Candy Crowley, proud practitioner of TM is nearly as good an example of what TM can do for folks as cussing chain smoking David Lynch
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Thank you for this balanced view, Steve. It helped me clarify my own thoughts and feelings about it. Isn't it usually the news director who chooses the angle of a news story? I thought Crowley's intro of the reporter was objective. It was the reporter Harlow who was initially sympathetic to the 2 boys. And the legal expert Callan who came after her was very sympathetic. I'm just wondering if the news director chose him too and was attempting to present a balanced story. Crowley herself is the single mom of two teenaged boys but nonetheless I thought her comments were mostly objective given what she was commenting on, meaning the less objective angles taken by the reporter and the expert. In any case, I think for some on FFL it's damned if you do and damned if you don't. Meaning if you do TM and you make mistakes then TM isn't what it claims to be. But if you are successful and do TM and promote it, then it's because you're afraid of angering Oprah (-: From: seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: And what do you consider whining about the effects of a relatively light sentence handed down on two punks who abused an unconscious girl? It has been suggested here, that a person does not have full brain development until they are 25. And I think the part of the brain that is not fully developed, IIRC is that part which evaluates the future consequences of our actions. I am just putting that out there as one thing to consider. And are you losing sight that our criminal justice system is a more merciful system, with second and third chances. Maybe you don't like that fact. Juvenile? Insensitive? Adding to the already atrocious attitudes about women who are raped and sexually abused and the boys will be boys attitude about their attackers? What are you talking about? Not sure what you feel would be an appropriate punishment in this case. And evidently you feel it is out of line to feel sympathy for those boys. I feel sympathy for them. As well as the young woman. That goes without saying. Or is it ok to express such attitudes when one is a TM Practitioner? Finally. Well it took a little while for you to get to your main point. I suspect, this case has little meaning for you, outside of the tie in. If TM celebrities are people to be looked up to since their TM practice makes them phenomenal people, surely they should be held to even a modicum of decent behavior, I am not even suggesting a higher standard of behavior than poor non-TM'ers. Now here is a subject for discussion on FFL and I have probably posted out. I am not sure what behavior you would consider exemplary in your opinion, but I suspect that you want to see 1950 stereotypes of model citizens. I don't think it works that way. As regards Girish, unfortunately, you see it in every strata of life, where people who hold positions of power, will abuse that power. Those in the TMO are not immune to that. But I'd suspect that it may be more prevalent in countries where there has not been much progress in women's rights. But likely these types of incidents move cultures in that direction. From: feste37 feste37@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 8:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars  You are not a disciplined thinker, MJ. You just pour out anything that enters your head, and you seem obsessed with criticizing other people's behavior. I find it all very juvenile. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: tell it to the tens of thousands of people who are reviling her for her sympathy for a couple of true idiots and abusers of a passed out 16 year old girl - in true TM addle-headed fashion, you are excusing asinine behavior purely because it is behavior of a TM'er and a TM'er who has been used to tout the greatness of TM - deal with it feste - TM is no panacea and a whole bunch of these celebrities like Howard Stern, Russell Brand, and Lynch himself are, perversely excellent poster children of TM for their bad behavior because it unintentionally highlights all that is screwed up and hypocritical in the Movement, but much like those who post some trivial bull manure that is happening in Latin America as proof of Raja Luis's phenomenal success in setting up flying groups there, while ignoring the other 25 things that are gong wrong in the same geographical area, you continue to embrace fantasy as reality. From: feste37 feste37@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 9:24 PM Subject
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Every exchange like this just reinforces my belief that long term TM makes ones brain turn into mush and removes the ability to think clearly. How many times do you hear reporters give a show of hand wringing over the fate of convicted rapists? A reporters job is to report the facts, not commiserate with the criminals - in no way shape or form was Crowley's remarks objective and the other reporters were even worse. Yeah Poppy Harlow started it - could Crowley not have used her TM enhanced Creative Intelligence to say Hey what are you doing Poppy!?! The standard of conduct I was referring to in my other post has nothing to do with 1950's - Jesus you people are beyond hope - its no wonder Turq cusses you out from time to time. Your attitude seems to be - Oh Candy is a TM'er and so anything she does is beyond reproach - you people really are screwed up. Take a look at what the non-TM world thinks of this crap: CNN's unconscionable coverage of the Steubenville Rape Case verdict is pissing everyone off. Newscaster Candy Crowley, general correspondent Poppy Harlow, and legal expert Paul Callan all did their very best to focus solely on the guilty verdict's repercussions on the two rapists. There's next to no coverage of the girl who was brutally raped; instead, they talk almost exclusively of the rapists— the two teenagers who had such bright futures, and now their lives are completely ruined from this one little indiscretion. Isn't it a shame how they suffer? http://jezebel.com/5991018/heres-what-cnn-shouldve-said-about-the-steubenville-rape-case From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars Thank you for this balanced view, Steve. It helped me clarify my own thoughts and feelings about it. Isn't it usually the news director who chooses the angle of a news story? I thought Crowley's intro of the reporter was objective. It was the reporter Harlow who was initially sympathetic to the 2 boys. And the legal expert Callan who came after her was very sympathetic. I'm just wondering if the news director chose him too and was attempting to present a balanced story. Crowley herself is the single mom of two teenaged boys but nonetheless I thought her comments were mostly objective given what she was commenting on, meaning the less objective angles taken by the reporter and the expert. In any case, I think for some on FFL it's damned if you do and damned if you don't. Meaning if you do TM and you make mistakes then TM isn't what it claims to be. But if you are successful and do TM and promote it, then it's because you're afraid of angering Oprah (-: From: seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: And what do you consider whining about the effects of a relatively light sentence handed down on two punks who abused an unconscious girl? It has been suggested here, that a person does not have full brain development until they are 25. And I think the part of the brain that is not fully developed, IIRC is that part which evaluates the future consequences of our actions. I am just putting that out there as one thing to consider. And are you losing sight that our criminal justice system is a more merciful system, with second and third chances. Maybe you don't like that fact. Juvenile? Insensitive? Adding to the already atrocious attitudes about women who are raped and sexually abused and the boys will be boys attitude about their attackers? What are you talking about? Not sure what you feel would be an appropriate punishment in this case. And evidently you feel it is out of line to feel sympathy for those boys. I feel sympathy for them. As well as the young woman. That goes without saying. Or is it ok to express such attitudes when one is a TM Practitioner? Finally. Well it took a little while for you to get to your main point. I suspect, this case has little meaning for you, outside of the tie in. If TM celebrities are people to be looked up to since their TM practice makes them phenomenal people, surely they should be held to even a modicum of decent behavior, I am not even suggesting a higher standard of behavior than poor non-TM'ers. Now here is a subject for discussion on FFL and I have probably posted out. I am not sure what behavior you would consider exemplary in your opinion, but I suspect that you want to see 1950 stereotypes of model citizens. I don't think it works that way. As regards Girish, unfortunately, you see it in every strata of life, where people who hold positions of power
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Michael I suggest you read what was actually written in the posts you're supposedly responding to. And then do some fact reporting yourself. Which includes BTW, not ignoring my questions about news directors and their part in such a news story, not to mention the part of CNN executives. You say that in no way shape or form was (sic) Crowley's remarks objective. Which indicates to me that you have no idea of what objective is. You discount the fact that Harlow started the sympathy and instead discredit Crowley, in a sarcastic way. Since you used quotation marks, which traditionally indicates that you're directly quoting someone, where specifically did any one of us say that Crowley is a TMer and so anything she does is beyond reproach? I realize that lots of people are upset by this incident. My friend, who's a TM recertified governor BTW, sent a petition to her email list, chock full of TMers, demanding apologies. Feel free to ignore this and any other facts for which you have no reply. Because I've been doing TMSP for so long and thus am not a sheeple, when I hear a world is thinking a certain way and being pissed off, my tendency is to question that thinking and to remind myself that probably a lot of people in the Nazi world were pissed off by Jews and gypsies. From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars Every exchange like this just reinforces my belief that long term TM makes ones brain turn into mush and removes the ability to think clearly. How many times do you hear reporters give a show of hand wringing over the fate of convicted rapists? A reporters job is to report the facts, not commiserate with the criminals - in no way shape or form was Crowley's remarks objective and the other reporters were even worse. Yeah Poppy Harlow started it - could Crowley not have used her TM enhanced Creative Intelligence to say Hey what are you doing Poppy!?! The standard of conduct I was referring to in my other post has nothing to do with 1950's - Jesus you people are beyond hope - its no wonder Turq cusses you out from time to time. Your attitude seems to be - Oh Candy is a TM'er and so anything she does is beyond reproach - you people really are screwed up. Take a look at what the non-TM world thinks of this crap: CNN's unconscionable coverage of the Steubenville Rape Case verdict is pissing everyone off. Newscaster Candy Crowley, general correspondent Poppy Harlow, and legal expert Paul Callan all did their very best to focus solely on the guilty verdict's repercussions on the two rapists. There's next to no coverage of the girl who was brutally raped; instead, they talk almost exclusively of the rapists— the two teenagers who had such bright futures, and now their lives are completely ruined from this one little indiscretion. Isn't it a shame how they suffer? http://jezebel.com/5991018/heres-what-cnn-shouldve-said-about-the-steubenville-rape-case From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars Thank you for this balanced view, Steve. It helped me clarify my own thoughts and feelings about it. Isn't it usually the news director who chooses the angle of a news story? I thought Crowley's intro of the reporter was objective. It was the reporter Harlow who was initially sympathetic to the 2 boys. And the legal expert Callan who came after her was very sympathetic. I'm just wondering if the news director chose him too and was attempting to present a balanced story. Crowley herself is the single mom of two teenaged boys but nonetheless I thought her comments were mostly objective given what she was commenting on, meaning the less objective angles taken by the reporter and the expert. In any case, I think for some on FFL it's damned if you do and damned if you don't. Meaning if you do TM and you make mistakes then TM isn't what it claims to be. But if you are successful and do TM and promote it, then it's because you're afraid of angering Oprah (-: From: seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: And what do you consider whining about the effects of a relatively light sentence handed down on two punks who abused an unconscious girl? It has been suggested here, that a person does not have full brain development until they are 25. And I think the part of the brain that is not fully developed, IIRC
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Feeling the heat dear Steve..LOL. You probably think MJ is dumber than you - not that I disagree mind you. Anyway it's good to finally see someone after 3 years, threatening to usurp your position - I am loving it. I'm still rooting for you though, but remember MJ's from South Carolina - he's got the history, culture, genes on his side, so you need to be on the top of your game, tighten it up a bit, take it up a notch, insert any other favorite cliche of yours here. And yes, in case you were wondering, I do love ya like brother. On Mar 19, 2013, at 12:39 PM, seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Michael, my friend, I am afraid you are losing it. Or is it lost it. I'm not sure. But listen, I have just the solution. This posting stuff is obviously taking its toll. Take a break for a few days. Maybe until, say, Friday evening. Whaddya think? You'll thank me, you'll bless me. And hey, really, I enjoyed hearing about your wonderful childhood. The one thing you left out was anything about your schooling. You did attend school, right. Well, of course you did. Sorry about that. But did you take any courses that dealt with analytical thinking. What? You didn't. Well no worries. Many here say it's not my strong suit either. But one starting point may be to try to remove any obvious biases from your thinking. When you come to every situation with a fixed mindset, it sort of closes the door on any opportunity to learn something. And yes, in case you were wondering, I do love ya like brother --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Every exchange like this just reinforces my belief that long term TM makes ones brain turn into mush and removes the ability to think clearly. How many times do you hear reporters give a show of hand wringing over the fate of convicted rapists? A reporters job is to report the facts, not commiserate with the criminals - in no way shape or form was Crowley's remarks objective and the other reporters were even worse. Yeah Poppy Harlow started it - could Crowley not have used her TM enhanced Creative Intelligence to say Hey what are you doing Poppy!?! The standard of conduct I was referring to in my other post has nothing to do with 1950's - Jesus you people are beyond hope - its no wonder Turq cusses you out from time to time. Your attitude seems to be - Oh Candy is a TM'er and so anything she does is beyond reproach - you people really are screwed up. Take a look at what the non-TM world thinks of this crap: CNN's unconscionable coverage of the Steubenville Rape Case verdict is pissing everyone off. Newscaster Candy Crowley, general correspondent Poppy Harlow, and legal expert Paul Callan all did their very best to focus solely on the guilty verdict's repercussions on the two rapists. There's next to no coverage of the girl who was brutally raped; instead, they talk almost exclusively of the rapists†the two teenagers who had such bright futures, and now their lives are completely ruined from this one little indiscretion. Isn't it a shame how they suffer? http://jezebel.com/5991018/heres-what-cnn-shouldve-said-about-the-steubenville-rape-case From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars  Thank you for this balanced view, Steve. It helped me clarify my own thoughts and feelings about it. Isn't it usually the news director who chooses the angle of a news story? I thought Crowley's intro of the reporter was objective. It was the reporter Harlow who was initially sympathetic to the 2 boys. And the legal expert Callan who came after her was very sympathetic. I'm just wondering if the news director chose him too and was attempting to present a balanced story. Crowley herself is the single mom of two teenaged boys but nonetheless I thought her comments were mostly objective given what she was commenting on, meaning the less objective angles taken by the reporter and the expert. In any case, I think for some on FFL it's damned if you do and damned if you don't. Meaning if you do TM and you make mistakes then TM isn't what it claims to be. But if you are successful and do TM and promote it, then it's because you're afraid of angering Oprah (-:    From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: And what do you consider whining about the effects of a relatively light
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: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars  Thank you for this balanced view, Steve. It helped me clarify my own thoughts and feelings about it. Isn't it usually the news director who chooses the angle of a news story? I thought Crowley's intro of the reporter was objective. It was the reporter Harlow who was initially sympathetic to the 2 boys. And the legal expert Callan who came after her was very sympathetic. I'm just wondering if the news director chose him too and was attempting to present a balanced story. Crowley herself is the single mom of two teenaged boys but nonetheless I thought her comments were mostly objective given what she was commenting on, meaning the less objective angles taken by the reporter and the expert. In any case, I think for some on FFL it's damned if you do and damned if you don't. Meaning if you do TM and you make mistakes then TM isn't what it claims to be. But if you are successful and do TM and promote it, then it's because you're afraid of angering Oprah (-:    From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: And what do you consider whining about the effects of a relatively light sentence handed down on two punks who abused an unconscious girl? It has been suggested here, that a person does not have full brain development until they are 25.  And I think the part of the brain that is not fully developed, IIRC is that part which evaluates the future consequences of our actions. I am just putting that out there as one thing to consider. And are you losing sight that our criminal justice system is a more merciful system, with second and third chances.  Maybe you don't like that fact. Juvenile? Insensitive? Adding to the already atrocious attitudes about women who are raped and sexually abused and the boys will be boys attitude about their attackers? What are you talking about?  Not sure what you feel would be an appropriate punishment in this case.  And evidently you feel it is out of line to feel sympathy for those boys.  I feel sympathy for them. As well as the young woman.  That goes without saying. Or is it ok to express such attitudes when one is a TM Practitioner? Finally.  Well it took a little while for you to get to your main point.  I suspect, this case has little meaning for you, outside of the tie in.  If TM celebrities are people to be looked up to since their TM practice makes them phenomenal people, surely they should be held to even a modicum of decent behavior, I am not even suggesting a higher standard of behavior than poor non-TM'ers. Now here is a subject for discussion on FFL and I have probably posted out. I am not sure what behavior you would consider exemplary in your opinion, but I suspect that you want to see 1950 stereotypes of model citizens.  I don't think it works that way. As regards Girish, unfortunately, you see it in every strata of life, where people who hold positions of power, will abuse that power.  Those in the TMO are not immune to that.  But I'd suspect that it may be more prevalent in countries where there has not been much progress in women's rights.  But likely these types of incidents move cultures in that direction. From: feste37 feste37@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 8:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars  You are not a disciplined thinker, MJ. You just pour out anything that enters your head, and you seem obsessed with criticizing other people's behavior. I find it all very juvenile. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: tell it to the tens of thousands of people who are reviling her for her sympathy for a couple of true idiots and abusers of a passed out 16 year old girl - in true TM addle-headed fashion, you are excusing asinine behavior purely because it is behavior of a TM'er and a TM'er who has been used to tout the greatness of TM - deal with it feste - TM is no panacea and a whole bunch of these celebrities like Howard Stern, Russell Brand, and Lynch himself are, perversely excellent poster children of TM for their bad behavior because it unintentionally highlights all
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to say Hey what are you doing Poppy!?! The standard of conduct I was referring to in my other post has nothing to do with 1950's - Jesus you people are beyond hope - its no wonder Turq cusses you out from time to time. Your attitude seems to be - Oh Candy is a TM'er and so anything she does is beyond reproach - you people really are screwed up. Take a look at what the non-TM world thinks of this crap: CNN's unconscionable coverage of the Steubenville Rape Case verdict is pissing everyone off. Newscaster Candy Crowley, general correspondent Poppy Harlow, and legal expert Paul Callan all did their very best to focus solely on the guilty verdict's repercussions on the two rapists. There's next to no coverage of the girl who was brutally raped; instead, they talk almost exclusively of the rapists†the two teenagers who had such bright futures, and now their lives are completely ruined from this one little indiscretion. Isn't it a shame how they suffer? http://jezebel.com/5991018/heres-what-cnn-shouldve-said-about-the-steubenville-rape-case From: Share Long sharelong60@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars  Thank you for this balanced view, Steve. It helped me clarify my own thoughts and feelings about it. Isn't it usually the news director who chooses the angle of a news story? I thought Crowley's intro of the reporter was objective. It was the reporter Harlow who was initially sympathetic to the 2 boys. And the legal expert Callan who came after her was very sympathetic. I'm just wondering if the news director chose him too and was attempting to present a balanced story. Crowley herself is the single mom of two teenaged boys but nonetheless I thought her comments were mostly objective given what she was commenting on, meaning the less objective angles taken by the reporter and the expert. In any case, I think for some on FFL it's damned if you do and damned if you don't. Meaning if you do TM and you make mistakes then TM isn't what it claims to be. But if you are successful and do TM and promote it, then it's because you're afraid of angering Oprah (-:    From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: And what do you consider whining about the effects of a relatively light sentence handed down on two punks who abused an unconscious girl? It has been suggested here, that a person does not have full brain development until they are 25.  And I think the part of the brain that is not fully developed, IIRC is that part which evaluates the future consequences of our actions. I am just putting that out there as one thing to consider. And are you losing sight that our criminal justice system is a more merciful system, with second and third chances.  Maybe you don't like that fact. Juvenile? Insensitive? Adding to the already atrocious attitudes about women who are raped and sexually abused and the boys will be boys attitude about their attackers? What are you talking about?  Not sure what you feel would be an appropriate punishment in this case.  And evidently you feel it is out of line to feel sympathy for those boys.  I feel sympathy for them. As well as the young woman.  That goes without saying. Or is it ok to express such attitudes when one is a TM Practitioner? Finally.  Well it took a little while for you to get to your main point.  I suspect, this case has little meaning for you, outside of the tie in.  If TM celebrities are people to be looked up to since their TM practice makes them phenomenal people, surely they should be held to even a modicum of decent behavior, I am not even suggesting a higher standard of behavior than poor non-TM'ers. Now here is a subject for discussion on FFL and I have probably posted out. I am not sure what behavior you would considerÂ
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Yeah all this just reiterates that MJ may be a nice guy but he is totally idiotic, emotionally stunted, delusional even to use this incredibly distressing, painful rape incident - complex in its conception and implications to peddle his anti-TM paranoia. He's definitely crossed all limits here. On Mar 19, 2013, at 3:44 PM, authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Every exchange like this just reinforces my belief that long term TM makes ones brain turn into mush and removes the ability to think clearly. Right, Michael, you're obviously the clear-thinking one here. Too bad you haven't been able to address a single one of the points that have been made. Too bad you can only make your case by wildly exaggerating what was said in that clip. How many times do you hear reporters give a show of hand wringing over the fate of convicted rapists? Is that what they were doing? Or were they deliberately emphasizing how bad the consequences were going to be for these boys *as a warning* to other boys who might be tempted to engage in similar misbehavior? As in: This was a crime, and these guys are going to suffer for it the rest of their lives. You don't want to end up like them. A reporters job is to report the facts, not commiserate with the criminals Neither of them was commiserating with the criminals. That's insane. (snip) Your attitude seems to be - Oh Candy is a TM'er and so anything she does is beyond reproach - you people really are screwed up. No, buster, that you would think any of us had that attitude is what's really screwed up. Take a look at what the non-TM world thinks of this crap: CNN's unconscionable coverage of the Steubenville Rape Case verdict is pissing everyone off. For the record, there were seven segments on CNN on Sunday about the verdict, not just the breaking-news item, which is what all the fuss is about. You can check out transcripts of all the segments here: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/2013.03.17.html Interestingly, in the breaking-news item, following the appearance of the legal expert, Crowley and Harlow continued their discussion. Here's the transcript of that portion of the breaking-news item (which was not included in the clip): - CROWLEY: Paul, thanks. I want to bring Poppy back in -- because, Poppy, there's -- you know, the 16-year-old victim, her life, never the same, again. And I understand you have been talking to some of the families involved. HARLOW: Her life never the same again. Absolutely, Candy. The last thing she wanted to do was sit on that stand and testify. She didn't want to bring these charges. She said it was up to her parents. But I want to tell our viewers about a statement that her mother just made, just made in the court after the sentencing. Her mother just said that she has pity on the two young boys that did this. She said human compassion is not taught by teachers or coaches. It's a God-given gift, saying that you displayed a lack of compassion, a lack of moral code, saying that you were your own accuser throughout this for posting about this all over social media. And she said she takes pity on them. As far as her daughter, she said she will persevere, she will get through this. But the words of an angry mother who now has a sentence, that I believe she would consider or a verdict, just -- Candy. CROWLEY: CNN's Poppy Harlow, thank you. Also to our legal contributor Paul Callan. Of course, we will be following this story throughout the day. - And they did. But the jezebel.com post says: Newscaster Candy Crowley, general correspondent Poppy Harlow, and legal expert Paul Callan all did their very best to focus solely on the guilty verdict's repercussions on the two rapists. There's next to no coverage of the girl who was brutally raped; instead, they talk almost exclusively of the rapists†the two teenagers who had such bright futures, and now their lives are completely ruined from this one little indiscretion. Isn't it a shame how they suffer? This is simply not true, as you can see from the transcript above. I read the transcripts of a couple of the later segments on Sunday on the verdict, and it isn't true of them either. As I said, I'm not a fan of Crowley. But she has been treated unfairly in this discussion for the purpose of advancing an anti-TM agenda. And I think that stinks.
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Hey Judy thank you so much for posting the end of the exchange between Crowley and Harlow. Again I would guess that it was the news director or CNN execs who cut that segment out of the report. In that case I'd say their worst crime was bad judgement. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 5:44 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Every exchange like this just reinforces my belief that long term TM makes ones brain turn into mush and removes the ability to think clearly. Right, Michael, you're obviously the clear-thinking one here. Too bad you haven't been able to address a single one of the points that have been made. Too bad you can only make your case by wildly exaggerating what was said in that clip. How many times do you hear reporters give a show of hand wringing over the fate of convicted rapists? Is that what they were doing? Or were they deliberately emphasizing how bad the consequences were going to be for these boys *as a warning* to other boys who might be tempted to engage in similar misbehavior? As in: This was a crime, and these guys are going to suffer for it the rest of their lives. You don't want to end up like them. A reporters job is to report the facts, not commiserate with the criminals Neither of them was commiserating with the criminals. That's insane. (snip) Your attitude seems to be - Oh Candy is a TM'er and so anything she does is beyond reproach - you people really are screwed up. No, buster, that you would think any of us had that attitude is what's really screwed up. Take a look at what the non-TM world thinks of this crap: CNN's unconscionable coverage of the Steubenville Rape Case verdict is pissing everyone off. For the record, there were seven segments on CNN on Sunday about the verdict, not just the breaking-news item, which is what all the fuss is about. You can check out transcripts of all the segments here: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/2013.03.17.html Interestingly, in the breaking-news item, following the appearance of the legal expert, Crowley and Harlow continued their discussion. Here's the transcript of that portion of the breaking-news item (which was not included in the clip): - CROWLEY: Paul, thanks. I want to bring Poppy back in -- because, Poppy, there's -- you know, the 16-year-old victim, her life, never the same, again. And I understand you have been talking to some of the families involved. HARLOW: Her life never the same again. Absolutely, Candy. The last thing she wanted to do was sit on that stand and testify. She didn't want to bring these charges. She said it was up to her parents. But I want to tell our viewers about a statement that her mother just made, just made in the court after the sentencing. Her mother just said that she has pity on the two young boys that did this. She said human compassion is not taught by teachers or coaches. It's a God-given gift, saying that you displayed a lack of compassion, a lack of moral code, saying that you were your own accuser throughout this for posting about this all over social media. And she said she takes pity on them. As far as her daughter, she said she will persevere, she will get through this. But the words of an angry mother who now has a sentence, that I believe she would consider or a verdict, just -- Candy. CROWLEY: CNN's Poppy Harlow, thank you. Also to our legal contributor Paul Callan. Of course, we will be following this story throughout the day. - And they did. But the jezebel.com post says: Newscaster Candy Crowley, general correspondent Poppy Harlow, and legal expert Paul Callan all did their very best to focus solely on the guilty verdict's repercussions on the two rapists. There's next to no coverage of the girl who was brutally raped; instead, they talk almost exclusively of the rapists†the two teenagers who had such bright futures, and now their lives are completely ruined from this one little indiscretion. Isn't it a shame how they suffer? This is simply not true, as you can see from the transcript above. I read the transcripts of a couple of the later segments on Sunday on the verdict, and it isn't true of them either. As I said, I'm not a fan of Crowley. But she has been treated unfairly in this discussion for the purpose of advancing an anti-TM agenda. And I think that stinks.
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reporters give a show of hand wringing over the fate of convicted rapists? A reporters job is to report the facts, not commiserate with the criminals - in no way shape or form was Crowley's remarks objective and the other reporters were even worse. Yeah Poppy Harlow started it - could Crowley not have used her TM enhanced Creative Intelligence to say Hey what are you doing Poppy!?! The standard of conduct I was referring to in my other post has nothing to do with 1950's - Jesus you people are beyond hope - its no wonder Turq cusses you out from time to time. Your attitude seems to be - Oh Candy is a TM'er and so anything she does is beyond reproach - you people really are screwed up. Take a look at what the non-TM world thinks of this crap: CNN's unconscionable coverage of the Steubenville Rape Case verdict is pissing everyone off. Newscaster Candy Crowley, general correspondent Poppy Harlow, and legal expert Paul Callan all did their very best to focus solely on the guilty verdict's repercussions on the two rapists. There's next to no coverage of the girl who was brutally raped; instead, they talk almost exclusively of the rapistsÃÆ'¢â‚¬ the two teenagers who had such bright futures, and now their lives are completely ruined from this one little indiscretion. Isn't it a shame how they suffer? http://jezebel.com/5991018/heres-what-cnn-shouldve-said-about-the-steubenville-rape-case From: Share Long sharelong60@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars ÃÆ'‚ Thank you for this balanced view, Steve.ÃÆ'‚ It helped me clarify my own thoughts and feelings about it.ÃÆ'‚ Isn't it usually the news director who chooses the angle of a news story?ÃÆ'‚ I thought Crowley's intro of the reporter was objective.ÃÆ'‚ It was the reporter Harlow who was initially sympathetic to the 2 boys.ÃÆ'‚ And the legal expert Callan who came after her was very sympathetic.ÃÆ'‚ I'm just wondering if the news director chose him too and was attempting to present a balanced story.ÃÆ'‚ Crowley herself is the single mom of two teenaged boys but nonetheless I thought her comments were mostly objective given what she was commenting on, meaning the less objective angles taken by the reporter and the expert.ÃÆ'‚ In any case, I think for some on FFL it's damned if you do and damned if you don't.ÃÆ'‚ Meaning if you do TM and you make mistakes then TM isn't what it claims to be.ÃÆ'‚ But if you are successful and do TM and promote it, then it's because you're afraid of angering Oprah (-: ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars ÃÆ'‚ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: And what do you consider whining about the effects of a relatively light sentence handed down on two punks who abused an unconscious girl? It has been suggested here, that a person does not have full brain development until they are 25. ÃÆ'‚ And I think the part of the brain that is not fully developed, IIRC is that part which evaluates the future consequences of our actions. I am just putting that out there as one thing to consider. And are you losing sight that our criminal justice system is a more merciful system, with second and third chances. ÃÆ'‚ Maybe you don't like that fact.ÃÆ'‚ Juvenile? Insensitive? Adding to the already atrocious attitudes about women who are raped and sexually abused and the boys will be boys attitude about their attackers? What are you talking about? ÃÆ'‚ Not sure what you feel would be anÃÆ'‚ appropriateÃÆ'‚ punishment in this case. ÃÆ'‚ And evidently you feel it is out of line to feel sympathy for those boys. ÃÆ'‚ I feel sympathy for them. As well as the young woman. ÃÆ'‚ That goes without saying. Or is it ok to express such attitudes when one is a TM Practitioner? Finally. ÃÆ'‚ Well it took a little while for you to get to your main point. ÃÆ'‚ I suspect, this case has little meaning for you, outside of the tie in. ÃÆ'‚ If TM celebrities are people to be looked up
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tell it to the tens of thousands of people who are reviling her for her sympathy for a couple of true idiots and abusers of a passed out 16 year old girl - in true TM addle-headed fashion, you are excusing asinine behavior purely because it is behavior of a TM'er and a TM'er who has been used to tout the greatness of TM - deal with it feste - TM is no panacea and a whole bunch of these celebrities like Howard Stern, Russell Brand, and Lynch himself are, perversely excellent poster children of TM for their bad behavior because it unintentionally highlights all that is screwed up and hypocritical in the Movement, but much like those who post some trivial bull manure that is happening in Latin America as proof of Raja Luis's phenomenal success in setting up flying groups there, while ignoring the other 25 things that are gong wrong in the same geographical area, you continue to embrace fantasy as reality. From: feste37 fest...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 9:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and its Rock Stars Only an idiot would use this to take a swipe at TM. Time to grow up, MJ. I watched it. She is not oozing sympathy. There's nothing wrong with what she says. She's pursuing the story, that's all. The youth of the defendants, and what will happen to them, is part of that story. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Candy Crowley Oozes Sympathy for Steubenville Rapists http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/candy-crowley-oozes-sympathy-steubenville-r Candy Crowley, proud practitioner of TM is nearly as good an example of what TM can do for folks as cussing chain smoking David Lynch
