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In a message dated 9/4/05 10:32:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't think it would have been a matter of arresting people who refused to leave, but they could have announced emergency evacuation plans on Radio and TV starting Friday night and started picking up those that WANTED to leave at designated places and take them to shelters north and west of the city. All hey needed to do was get them out of NO and the path of the Katrina. Governor Blanco could have issued orders to open all public buildings including schools for evacuees. They had from Friday evening till Sunday morning at 6 am to move as many as wanted to go. We saw no such effort.I don't know if such effort was madeand neither do you. How couldyou? If no such effort were made , would you agree it was a mistake? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Iowa community credit union Transcendental meditation Maharishi university Best of iowa community credit union Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 9/4/05 10:38:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They were school buses..ANYONE can drive them. Are you a school bus driver? Doesn't exactly take a rocket scientist to drive a school bus. There are lots of stories of young people breaking into School bus depots and stealing them so they could evacuate. Several came to Houston filling them with whoever wanted to come with them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 9/4/05 10:52:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Stretch yourself, MDixon and Shemp. There aretwo major, obvious exceptions to the rule thatANYONE can drive the buses.I'll give you one for free: Only folks who knowhow to drive can drive the buses.Now, what's the second one? Um ya have to be licensed? Well a good emergency plan would have had designated drivers planned forwith specific routes and pick up points and designated destinations for drop off at designated shelter out side the city and flood plane. It doesn't take anymore resources than what they already had. Just some forethought and planning. If the planning was too much for the mayors office, the governors office should have worked on a plan with the city. There are numerous school districts that surround the city of NO and any of their buses could have been brought in at the order of the governor to assist. Again no extra resources, just using the ones available and having a plan. Now if the President was supposed to have foreseen the breaking of the levees so should the governor and the mayor and had the city evacuated. Had you listened to Michael Chertoff clearly on Meet the Press, all of the reports about what would happen if the levees broke said "once they broke it would be too late. Thousands would die. Evacuation needed to occur BEFORE they broke".He also stated clearly that by law it is the responsibility of the state and local governments to have and execute evacuation plans in the event of disasters. Had this been done, much more attention could have been put on getting the people out of the Dome more quickly by local authorities and rescue teams. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Iowa community credit union Transcendental meditation Maharishi university Best of iowa community credit union Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 9/4/05 11:18:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Mayfield said the strength of the storm and the potential disaster it could bring were made clear during both the briefings and in formal advisories, which warned of a storm surge capable of overtopping levees in New Orleans and winds strong enough to blow out windows of high-rise buildings," the paper reported. "He said the briefings included information on expected wind speed, storm surge, rainfall and the potential for tornados to accompany the storm as it came ashore."We were briefing them way before landfall," Mayfield said. "It's not like this was a surprise. We had in the advisories that the levee could be topped."Chertoff told reporters Saturday that government officials had not expected the damaging combination of a powerful hurricane levee breaches that flooded New Orleans. Judy , there are some key words here. Mayfield uses the word topped when describing what could happen with the levees. He said nothing about breaching. I'm sure you know the difference. Topping is water spilling over the top, which the pumps most likely could have handled. Breaching is the levee breaking and giving way which is what happened, the pumps could not function at that point. Even the Army Corp of Engineers said they levees should have been strong enough not to breach but they did anticipate they could be topped or have spill over if a hurricane exceeded a category 3. That's why you have pumps.That is also why I'm very interested in this report about a barge damaging the levees. As for the administration trying to politicizeor lay blame. I have heard Bush from day one say he expected his people to not get involved in that, but stay focused on the job. However the media keeps raising the issue "why didn't FEMA evacuate the city when they knew the levees could breach". The response is a matter of fact that the law states that it is the responsibility of the state and local governments to do that , not FEMA. The Media istrying , knowingly or not, to blame the administration for what the State and City should have done in the first place. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Iowa community credit union Transcendental meditation Maharishi university Best of iowa community credit union Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 9/5/05 1:04:19 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have been in the past, for special events.Shemp's right on this one in many states, whereonly a regular driver's license (not a commerciallicense) is required to drive a school bus. Thatdoesn't have anything to do with anything in thissituation, because by the time the need to evacuate hundreds of thousands of people becameevident, the roads were already impassable becauseof the storm.Evacuation of the poor wasn't planned for, so itdidn't happen. That's not good. Trying to helpthem once they were trapped *obviously* wasn'tplanned for. That's not good. Lots of "not good"to spread around here. That was the whole idea behind the buses. They could have been used to evacuate anybody that wanted out but had no transportation and it could have started at least Saturday morning, before the hurricane hit. Friday night evacuation plans could have been broadcast on TV and the radio and all through out Saturday. They had till Sunday morning to get the job done. And as I said earlier with the cooperation of the governors office they could have had all the surrounding school districts helping. All it took was some forethought and planning in advance. The only cost would have been overtime pay for the bus drivers. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Iowa community credit union Transcendental meditation Maharishi university Best of iowa community credit union Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 9/5/05 9:00:49 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've seen only one such story. The guy was arrestedand charged with theft. I've heard of a couple others as well. But doesn't change the fact that almost anybody can drive a school bus. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Iowa community credit union Transcendental meditation Maharishi university Best of iowa community credit union Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 9/5/05 10:27:50 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The effort is being directed by Mr. Bush's chief political adviser, Karl Rove, and his communications director, Dan Bartlett. It began late last week after Congressional Republicans called White House officials to register alarm about what they saw as a feeble response by Mr. Bush to the hurricane, according to Republican Congressional aidesOne Republican with knowledge of the effort said that Mr. Rove had told administration officials not to respond to Democratic attacks on Mr. Bush's handling of the hurricane in the belief that the president was in a weak moment and that the administration should not appear to be seen now as being blatantly political. As with others in the party, this Republican would discuss the deliberations only on condition of anonymity because of keen White House sensitivity about how the administration and its strategy would be perceived.In a reflection of what has long been a hallmark of Mr. Rove's tough political style, the administration is also working to shift the blame away from the White House and toward officials of New Orleans and Louisiana who, as it happens, are DemocratsThese officials said that Mr. Bush and his political aides rapidly changed course in what they acknowledged was a belated realization of the situation's political ramifications. As is common when this White House confronts a serious problem, management was quickly taken over by Mr. Rove and a group of associates including Mr. Bartletthttp://tinyurl.com/7dfh6 The writers of this article have a white House memo I suppose or is this all a hunch? I haven't heard any names, just an official in the White House. What exactly defines an official? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 9/5/05 4:37:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The President today declared an emergency exists in the State of Louisiana and ordered Federal aid to supplement state and local response efforts in the parishes located in the path of Hurricane Katrina beginning on August 26, 2005, and continuing. [...]Specifically, FEMA is authorized to identify, mobilize, and provide at its discretion, equipment and resources necessary to alleviate the impacts of the emergency. Debris removal and emergency protective measures, including direct Federal assistance, will be provided at 75 percent Federal funding. Key words: Supplement State and Local response efforts. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 9/5/05 5:07:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: INCLUDING little old ladies...who, by the way, seem to be the drivers of the school buses I usually see on the streets. In the days leading up to the hurricane when everyone was told to evaculate, there is simply NO REASON why there wasn't a plan in place to "deputize" citizens on every block to be the designated school bus drivers for all those buses in the photo sitting there doing nothing. And how in hell the responsibility for such a plan could be on the Feds and NOT on the local administration I do not know.Was such a plan feasable given the number of people?The city of New Orleans had already (December of last year) issued a warning that the City could NOT evacuate everyone who needed assistance due to lack of resources. Yes such a plan was feasible. The city had over 500 hundred buses, school and city public transportation. They used some to go around and pick up people and take them to the super dome, but not out of the city. Tonight on "Special report With Britt Hume" Britt reported that on Saturday before the storm the head of the National Weather Bureau called the Mayor and told him he needed to evacuate the city because they were about to take a direct hit from a class 5 hurricane and the Mayor told him he would not evacuate the city.ThateveningPresident Bush called the Mayor and had to plead with him to get him to evacuate NewOrleans. Now can you imagine what would have happened had he still refused to call an evacuation and nobody left New Orleans? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 9/4/05 4:11:09 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why didn't the mayor send these buses out to pick up the poor during his mandatory evacuation?News flash: Buses don't drive themselves. So neither the governor nor the mayor had a plan to rescue or evacuate NO poor. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 9/4/05 5:34:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: WIthout enough people to make 100's of thousands of arrests (in the case of New Orleans), how do you enforce a mandatory evacuation? I don't think it would have been a matter of arresting people who refused to leave, but they could have announced emergency evacuation plans on Radio and TV starting Friday night and started picking up those that WANTED to leave at designated places and take them to shelters north and west of the city. All hey needed to do was get them out of NO and the path of the Katrina. Governor Blanco could have issued orders to open all public buildings including schools for evacuees. They had from Friday evening till Sunday morning at 6 am to move as many as wanted to go. We saw no such effort. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 9/4/05 5:50:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So neither the governor nor the mayor had a plan to rescue or evacuate NO poor.Oh, how odd, somehow everything else in my postmust have dropped off somehow. Yeah , I saw the whole thing the first time. Still , they never had a game plan other than saying"you're on you own, get out". Somebody drives those school buses five days a week. Saturday could have been a mandatory work day in an emergency for those drivers or there could have been designated drivers preplanned to drive preplanned evacuation routes. Still, they wouldn't have saved everybody because people are stubborn , stupid or hard headed and just aren't going to leave. However, it would have given those that did want to get out, but had no transportation or money or whatever a lot of the other excuses were, an opportunity to get to a public shelter out of the city. With proper planning they could have moved tens ofthousands in a 40 or 45 hour period. Buses could have even been brought in from out lying school districts if the governor ordered it. Still a lack of planning. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Iowa community credit union Transcendental meditation Maharishi university Best of iowa community credit union Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 9/4/05 6:51:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You know, a moment's reflection should tell youthat, given they knew how many people there werewithout transportation, and that they *did* haveplans to deal with the problem, it isn't verylikely that there were better solutions of the kindyou suggest that they hadn't already consideredand rejected for good reason, or that were clearlynot feasible in the first place.They know what their resources are and what'spossible and what isn't; you don't. You know it works both ways. Nobody, outside of the most inner loops, knows exactly what is going on but there sure are a lot of questions for everybody to ask of everybody in Government from local to state to federal. Nobody knows how factual any of the reporting is or if anybody that makes a report has all of the facts and a truly clear perception of the reality of everything that is going on. What I have found particularly disturbing in this whole tragedy is the immediate politicization from day one. And the intense personal attacks while people are trying to deal with a difficult and emotional situation. Everyone has been trying to play a game of gotcha. As Michael Chertoff said and Bush said from the first day, they are concentrating their efforts on getting the job done and there will be plenty of time to analyze what went well and what went wrong and where to affix blame later on once the job is complete. Now I know you well enough Judy to takethat as dodging tough questions but it's not. It's keeping focus on doing the job. No doubt there will be investigations down the road to get any and all answers. Even Clinton's former FEMA directorindicated that you just don't anticipate all that hashappened and becompletely prepared for it as is in this case. In short, nobody likes what we are seeing played out before our eyes, but then nobody has all of the facts yet either. And as Jesse Jackson says, be careful when you point a finger because there are three more pointing back at you. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Iowa community credit union Transcendental meditation Maharishi university Best of iowa community credit union Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 9/4/05 7:20:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why didn't the mayor send these buses out to pick up the poor during his mandatory evacuation? News flash: Buses don't drive themselves.News flash to Judy:They were school buses..ANYONE can drive them. Not if they're not union. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Iowa community credit union Transcendental meditation Maharishi university Best of iowa community credit union Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
