Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: compassion

[Share Long]

Doc, unfortunately my official diagnosis is plain old ordinary Attachment 
Disorder rather than the fancy schmancy spiritual attachment. Though come to 
think of it, I probably have that too!


PS That was funny about Lincoln. FWIW I heard through the grapevine that 
Charlie Lutes said that the national deva lives at the Lincoln Memorial in DC 
because Lincoln preserved the unity of the country and unity is the destiny of 
this continent. That's also allegedly why the Native Americans were conquered, 
because the different tribes could not unify. 

I also recently watched part of The Conspirator about Mary Surrat played by 
Robin Wright who I like and starring James McAvoy as her lawyer who I really 
like.




 From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 11:20 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: compassion
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Yikes, Doc! I did miss that. Actually I misinterpreted it, being totally 
> triggered by my own stuff about that kind of thing. Thanks for pointing it 
> out. My official diagnosis is Attachment Disorder


No biggie, there is a lot of that going around. Perhaps even an epidemic.:-)


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: compassion

[Ravi Chivukula]

On 7/3/13 4:14 AM, Share Long wrote:
Ann, if turq feels, as you say below, nothing but contempt for me, 
that's ok with me but in that case he should get the 2013 Online 
Acting Award IMHO. What I like is that turq can call me an idiot one 
day and the next day send me a birthday song. IOW he doesn't get 
stuck. I think this is something about turq that you and Judy and Doc 
mostly miss. Often the three of you seem to have automatic, knee jerk 
reactions to him.


Here are your comments from other posts dear

Share - " I think what I don't like is when several people gang up on 
one person. That definitely triggers me"


Share - "Actually I misinterpreted it, being totally triggered by my own 
stuff about that kind of thing. Thanks for pointing it out. My official 
diagnosis is Attachment Disorder so I can easily get triggered when 
people ignore me."


Thank you for being honest dear. As you can see your comments on Barry 
don't mean anything. You lack any perception, any discrimination because 
clearly you are triggered, so I were you I would refrain from any 
judgments on anyone till you completely heal from your emotional, 
psychological disabilities. No wonder you project it onto others and act 
so irrational.





As for not using dead siblings to hurt one another, I think Steve 
mentioned this to Doc a few days ago, something about making family 
off limits.

I think this applies doubly when it comes to family tragedies.

*From:* Ann 
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 2, 2013 7:53 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: compassion



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
, turquoiseb  wrote:

>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
, "Ann"  wrote:

> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
, Share Long  wrote:

> > >
> > > Judy to Ann about Share: She ignored a bunch of the
> > > questions I asked her too. Share replies: now who's
> > > being juvenile and an obstinate child? I vote for Judy.
> > > As for Ann, she's returned as her usual arrogant self
> > > declaring who's worthy or her approval.
> >
> > Not who's " worthy" just who happens to have it. I neither
> > approve or disapprove of you. Respect is another thing all
> > together though, oh, and believability.
> >
> > Not feeling so charitable and compassionate today, calling
> > me "arrogant" and implying I'm always like that? Tsk, tsk,
> > I'll make sure to keep my hair out of your reach if we ever
> > meet. Or maybe you're one of those 'claw your eyes out'
> > kind of girls.
>
> Ahem. Ann, posting April 3, after being referred to
> as a mere "minion-bitch, trying to impress the uber-
> bitch" by ragging continually (even then) on Share:
>
> > I resent the implication that I am a minion-bitch
> > here. If I can't be the uber version then I am taking
> > my verbal weaponry and plying my trade elsewhere. I
> > can clearly see I am under appreciated here. I'm used
> > to being the top banana, the big cheese and I refuse
> > to play any sort of second fiddle to anyone. Understood?

I don't get it. Your "Ahem" paragraph doesn't seem to relate to the 
quote from my post. My paragraph was a big fat ironic (or is it 
sarcastic?) statement but hardly a "rag" on Share. I certainly have 
given her as good as she likes to dole out, just in a different way.


One thing Barry; I can admit what I do and why I do it. I take 
responsibility for my actions and I freely admit I'm fallible. I told 
you I can be a jerk and when I get assholishness in return for my less 
than saintly actions I can take it. However, all you appear to be able 
to do is dish it out in steaming shovelfuls. Neverthelss, that is not 
my problem, I have enough to worry about without trying to continually 
make you honest, decent or even coherent.


Your cozying up to Share is worse than my "ragging" on her. You use 
her and feign support when in fact you feel nothing but contempt. If 
you had an ounce of integrity you'd admit it and stop doing it.

>
> :-)
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: compassion

[Ravi Chivukula]

Yay Stevie - the charitable, blessed wisdom of the Heartland Retard !!!

I would say Barry is expressing a "difference of opinion", he has a few 
blind spots - am I right? He is working on a cutting-edge project for a 
cutting-edge company - ergo happiest man, am I right?


Anything else I missed Stevie baby?

On 7/3/13 3:41 PM, seventhray27 wrote:


I'm sorry Jim, I just don't follow you.


I mean your dislike of Barry is either 8 out of 10 or 10 out of 10.  I 
usually don't comment until it gets above 8 out of 10.  Sort of like 
Ravi, (and Judy for that matter), who seem astounded at the lows to 
which Barry can touch each week on a daily basis.


I wonder those feelings you (all) harbor would look like on an astral 
basis.  I don't think it would be pretty.


And yes, you have a funny way of "clearing the air".

I mean this latest tirade all began from a third party's observation 
of some of schisms in the TMO, including the Robin episode.


Why that caused such severe reaction, I don't know.

And yes, it*is *called "shooting the messenger".

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote:
>
> "But Jim, feeling a little more peeved than usual at Barry about 
something, felt the need to chime in with an "Amen"."

>
> Completely off the mark, Steve. I was merely trying to clear the air.
>
> I am curious why you keep harping on this boundary crossing of mine.
> I cannot help but ask you, now that Barry has dragged the general 
discourse of this place into the sewer, why didn't you smell something 
sooner? I say something, everyone wakes up, and says shit like, "Yeah 
we have become used to the pervasive stench of Barry's negativity, but 
you emulating it, Jim, is unacceptable!".

>
> Talk about shooting the messenger. That's fucked up, Steve.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@ 
wrote:

> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote:
> >
> > > Get the timeline and the events here straight Steve. Go back and 
have

> > a look. Read what Barry has had to say about Jim and Jim's brother now
> > and many posts ago and then draw some reasonable conclusions. 
Figure out

> > which bandwagon you want to leap on before you do so.
> >
> > Richard Williams feels the need to bring up an incident between Barry
> > and brother. Probably an incident Barry brought up in a context some
> > time ago where it was pertinent to the discussion.
> > My reaction to Richard bringing it up, obviously as a bait of some 
kind

> > was, "Forgive him Father, he doesn't know what the hell he is doing"
> > That is the reaction I have to much of what Richard posts.
> > But Jim, feeling a little more peeved than usual at Barry about
> > something, felt the need to chime in with an "Amen".
> > I felt the timing of Jim's "Amen" was insensitive, and I said 
something.
> > At some point in the discussion everyone's brother got brought 
into the

> > fray in a rather hurtful way.
> > No really sure how else to really parcel out the blame.
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: compassion

[Ravi Chivukula]

mmm..not really - these are Barry's usual tactics. When he is 
outrageously dishonest he makes several unrelated posts to create an 
illusion that he's the actual Judy, the truthful, disinterested one. 
That he's not the one who's dishonest, he's not the one who's 
sociopathic, he's not the one who's narcissistic, he's not the one who's 
arguing.


Case in point this egregiously, outrageously dishonest post (it's title 
that is) - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/348938.


Of course - very hilarious and sickening at the same time.


On 7/3/13 3:25 PM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote:


FYI, if you haven't noticed, Barry's posts have returned to a 
semblance of civility. Mission accomplished, and yes, I accept your 
thanks.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
, doctordumbass@... 
 wrote:

>
> "But Jim, feeling a little more peeved than usual at Barry about 
something, felt the need to chime in with an "Amen"."

>
> Completely off the mark, Steve. I was merely trying to clear the air.
>
> I am curious why you keep harping on this boundary crossing of mine.
> I cannot help but ask you, now that Barry has dragged the general 
discourse of this place into the sewer, why didn't you smell something 
sooner? I say something, everyone wakes up, and says shit like, "Yeah 
we have become used to the pervasive stench of Barry's negativity, but 
you emulating it, Jim, is unacceptable!".

>
> Talk about shooting the messenger. That's fucked up, Steve.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
, "seventhray27" 
 wrote:

> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
, "Ann" wrote:

> >
> > > Get the timeline and the events here straight Steve. Go back and 
have

> > a look. Read what Barry has had to say about Jim and Jim's brother now
> > and many posts ago and then draw some reasonable conclusions. 
Figure out

> > which bandwagon you want to leap on before you do so.
> >
> > Richard Williams feels the need to bring up an incident between Barry
> > and brother. Probably an incident Barry brought up in a context some
> > time ago where it was pertinent to the discussion.
> > My reaction to Richard bringing it up, obviously as a bait of some 
kind

> > was, "Forgive him Father, he doesn't know what the hell he is doing"
> > That is the reaction I have to much of what Richard posts.
> > But Jim, feeling a little more peeved than usual at Barry about
> > something, felt the need to chime in with an "Amen".
> > I felt the timing of Jim's "Amen" was insensitive, and I said 
something.
> > At some point in the discussion everyone's brother got brought 
into the

> > fray in a rather hurtful way.
> > No really sure how else to really parcel out the blame.
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: compassion

[Ravi Chivukula]

The level of your dishonesty is mind-boggling Barry.

I'm glad to hear your public gloating of this incident with your 
brother. If at all I had any doubts about your narcissistic, 
sociopathic, sadistic traits this narration of your tale clinched it, 
this cold, callous insensitivity to your brother's suffering and using 
that incident to gloat and make yourself look good at his expense.



On 7/3/13 10:47 AM, turquoiseb wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
, "Ann"  wrote:

>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
, doctordumbass@  
wrote:

> >
> > My comments about Barry sharing the same DNA as his
> > crazy brother were not meant to be all that funny,
> > just a pointer to his unstable and antisocial
> > tendencies, and a possible reason for same.
>
> I totally get it Doc and I agree. I found it interesting
> for all his shit slinging at you re: your brother and
> hence some farcical conclusions about some supposed
> homophobia on your part that when the opportunity comes
> up to play the big sympathy card Barry grabs at it with
> both hands.

This is really funny, so in the absence of Judy Stein
(who is probably laying low trying desperately not to
use up her last few posts), I'll replay the events
that Ann inaccurately summarizes, to provide some
Steinian "context."

First, Richard Williams, in one of his characteristic
troll moves, did a search on FFL and came up with a
post about Barry striking someone. In a response to
that, I not only admitted it, I clarified it, supply-
ing the context that the person I had struck was my
brother, and that I did so because he had already
beaten up one 70-year-old man (our father), and was
in the process of trying to do the same thing with
another 70-year-old man (a neighbor), all while
screaming "You people don't even EXIST."

Enlightened Jim Flanegin responded to this by invoking
the acronym "DNA," as he has explained here, to create
the impression that am the way I am (whatever that is
in his mind) is because of my crazy brother. At that
point, I did not and still do not hold Jimbo respon-
sible for using my dead brother to "get" me. Jimbo
has trouble remembering what he said *the day before*,
let alone something that might have been mentioned on
FFL years ago. :-)

But I felt I should respond, so I gave him a little
taste of his own medicine, suggesting that if he could
invoke "DNA" as a rationale for my actions, I could
invoke the same "DNA" argument as a rationale for why
he consistently makes gay slur insults against Curtis
and myself on this forum, saying "...you're afraid your
'bad genes' will catch up to you." Jimbo responded by
doubling down, and making excuses for this, *after he
knew that my brother had committed suicide*. I don't
see how he can object, since *he* supplied the very
reason I invoked *his* brother in the first place,
with "...if you want to get an asshole's attention,
you must emulate them."

Meanwhile, Judy Stein (who *prides herself* on never
forgetting something that has been mentioned before on
FFL, and thus who *knew* that I was talking about my
brother who later committed suicide) piled on and
said, putting imaginary words into my mouth, much
like her imaginary boyfriend Robin used to do with
Curtis:

"It seemed like the right thing to do at the time,
but in retrospect it was very wrong. In fact, I
needed that punch a lot more than my brother did.
I was the one who was out of control."

And remember, Judy *cannot* invoke the "I didn't know
I was saying he hit his dead brother because *he* was
the one out of control" because she has positioned
herself so many times as someone who *never forgets
anything said here on FFL*. So she clearly knew what
she was doing.

All of this is why, when Share actually said something
nice about my brother, I said, "I don't want to talk
about him here, because Judy and Richard and Jim will
just find some way to use anything said the way they
already have...as just another tactic in their 'get
Barry' vendettas."

NONE of the three of them can dispute this. They all
*had* used my dead brother just to "get Barry." And
at least two of them (Jim, after he knew what had
become of him, and Judy, all along) did so knowingly.
Richard doesn't post *anything* knowingly, so I cut
him a little slack.

Please note that in my sentence above I did not include
Ann. She has since made statements that force me to
revise that sentence, and include her, too.

None of this will affect them in any way; I write it
for the bystanders and the lurkers, to help them evaluate
what will undoubtedly turn into a veritable shitstorm
of "get Barry" posts from all four of them over the
next week.

Unlike the four of them, I am not trying to tell you
what to think. I'm merely presenting some history about
all of this, and allowing you to come to your *own*
conclusions. WATCH over the next four days, and see
whether these four respect you enough t

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: compassion

[Share Long]

Yikes, Doc! I did miss that. Actually I misinterpreted it, being totally 
triggered by my own stuff about that kind of thing. Thanks for pointing it out. 
My official diagnosis is Attachment Disorder so I can easily get triggered when 
people ignore me. FFL's great for working on that (-:

You know, FFL also helped me heal after my last relationship ended and I'm 
grateful for that too. 


To Ann: if seeing both the strengths and weaknesses in people is being 
disingenuous, then I'll continue doing that. Actually some experts say that 
it's a sign of good growth when someone can reframe from an all negative 
appraisal to a more realistic appraisal that acknowledges both the positive and 
the negative in a person, event or circumstances.



 From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 11:06 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: compassion
 


  
"I too have sent Barry birthday greetings, though he has never reciprocated."

I think you missed this part. :-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Ok, Doc, I think what I don't like is when several people gang up on one 
> person. That definitely triggers me. I aim to be more conscious about it. 
> I've read your exchange with Steve about your comment about turq's brother. 
> What to say that's beneficial? I guess I've crossed some lines too. Something 
> else for me to be more conscious about.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: "doctordumbass@..." 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 7:56 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: compassion
> 
> 
> 
>   
> Hi Share, I am afraid you are possibly getting lost in the emotions my posts 
> stir up for you, vs. their actual content. I too have sent Barry birthday 
> greetings, though he has never reciprocated. I don't respond to him in a 
> knee-jerk way, at all. But when he acts stupid, insulting, goading, insecure, 
> unstable, antisocial and mean, which is much of the time, I am on him like 
> white on rice. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Ann, if turq feels, as you say below, nothing but contempt for me, that's 
> > ok with me but in that case he should get the 2013 Online Acting Award 
> > IMHO. What I like is that turq can call me an idiot one day and the next 
> > day send me a birthday song. IOW he doesn't get stuck. I think this is 
> > something about turq that you and Judy and Doc mostly miss. Often the three 
> > of you seem to have automatic, knee jerk reactions to him.
> > 
> > 
> > As for not using dead siblings to hurt one another, I think Steve mentioned 
> > this to Doc a few days ago, something about making family off limits. 
> > 
> > I think this applies doubly when it comes to family tragedies.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: Ann 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2013 7:53 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: compassion
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Judy to Ann about Share: She ignored a bunch of the 
> > > > > questions I asked her too. Share replies: now who's 
> > > > > being juvenile and an obstinate child? I vote for Judy. 
> > > > > As for Ann, she's returned as her usual arrogant self 
> > > > > declaring who's worthy or her approval.
> > > > 
> > > > Not who's " worthy" just who happens to have it. I neither 
> > > > approve or disapprove of you. Respect is another thing all 
> > > > together though, oh, and believability. 
> > > > 
> > > > Not feeling so charitable and compassionate today, calling 
> > > > me "arrogant" and implying I'm always like that? Tsk, tsk, 
> > > > I'll make sure to keep my hair out of your reach if we ever 
> > > > meet. Or maybe you're one of those 'claw your eyes out' 
> > > > kind of girls.
> > > 
> > > Ahem. Ann, posting April 3, after being referred to
> > > as a mere "minion-bitch, trying to impress the uber-
> > > bitch" by ragging continually (even then) on Share:
> > > 
> > > > I resent the implication that I am a minion-bitch 
> > > > here. If I can't be the uber version then I am taking 
> > > > my verbal weaponry and plying my trade elsewhere. I 
> > > > can clearly see I am under appreciated here. I'm used 
> > > > to being the top banana, the big cheese and I refuse 
> > > > to play any sort of second fiddle to anyone. Understood?
> > 
> > I don't get it. Your "Ahem" paragraph doesn't seem to relate to the quote 
> > from my post. My paragraph was a big fat ironic (or is it sarcastic?) 
> > statement but hardly a "rag" on Share. I certainly have given her as good 
> > as she likes to dole out, just in a different way. 
> > 
> > One thing Barry; I can admit what I do and why I do i

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: compassion

[Share Long]

Ok, Doc, I think what I don't like is when several people gang up on one 
person. That definitely triggers me. I aim to be more conscious about it. I've 
read your exchange with Steve about your comment about turq's brother. What to 
say that's beneficial? I guess I've crossed some lines too. Something else for 
me to be more conscious about.





 From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 7:56 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: compassion
 


  
Hi Share, I am afraid you are possibly getting lost in the emotions my posts 
stir up for you, vs. their actual content. I too have sent Barry birthday 
greetings, though he has never reciprocated. I don't respond to him in a 
knee-jerk way, at all. But when he acts stupid, insulting, goading, insecure, 
unstable, antisocial and mean, which is much of the time, I am on him like 
white on rice. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Ann, if turq feels, as you say below, nothing but contempt for me, that's ok 
> with me but in that case he should get the 2013 Online Acting Award IMHO. 
> What I like is that turq can call me an idiot one day and the next day send 
> me a birthday song. IOW he doesn't get stuck. I think this is something about 
> turq that you and Judy and Doc mostly miss. Often the three of you seem to 
> have automatic, knee jerk reactions to him.
> 
> 
> As for not using dead siblings to hurt one another, I think Steve mentioned 
> this to Doc a few days ago, something about making family off limits. 
> 
> I think this applies doubly when it comes to family tragedies.
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Ann 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2013 7:53 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: compassion
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Judy to Ann about Share: She ignored a bunch of the 
> > > > questions I asked her too. Share replies: now who's 
> > > > being juvenile and an obstinate child? I vote for Judy. 
> > > > As for Ann, she's returned as her usual arrogant self 
> > > > declaring who's worthy or her approval.
> > > 
> > > Not who's " worthy" just who happens to have it. I neither 
> > > approve or disapprove of you. Respect is another thing all 
> > > together though, oh, and believability. 
> > > 
> > > Not feeling so charitable and compassionate today, calling 
> > > me "arrogant" and implying I'm always like that? Tsk, tsk, 
> > > I'll make sure to keep my hair out of your reach if we ever 
> > > meet. Or maybe you're one of those 'claw your eyes out' 
> > > kind of girls.
> > 
> > Ahem. Ann, posting April 3, after being referred to
> > as a mere "minion-bitch, trying to impress the uber-
> > bitch" by ragging continually (even then) on Share:
> > 
> > > I resent the implication that I am a minion-bitch 
> > > here. If I can't be the uber version then I am taking 
> > > my verbal weaponry and plying my trade elsewhere. I 
> > > can clearly see I am under appreciated here. I'm used 
> > > to being the top banana, the big cheese and I refuse 
> > > to play any sort of second fiddle to anyone. Understood?
> 
> I don't get it. Your "Ahem" paragraph doesn't seem to relate to the quote 
> from my post. My paragraph was a big fat ironic (or is it sarcastic?) 
> statement but hardly a "rag" on Share. I certainly have given her as good as 
> she likes to dole out, just in a different way. 
> 
> One thing Barry; I can admit what I do and why I do it. I take responsibility 
> for my actions and I freely admit I'm fallible. I told you I can be a jerk 
> and when I get assholishness in return for my less than saintly actions I can 
> take it. However, all you appear to be able to do is dish it out in steaming 
> shovelfuls. Neverthelss, that is not my problem, I have enough to worry about 
> without trying to continually make you honest, decent or even coherent.
> 
> Your cozying up to Share is worse than my "ragging" on her. You use her and 
> feign support when in fact you feel nothing but contempt. If you had an ounce 
> of integrity you'd admit it and stop doing it.
> > 
> > :-)
> >
>


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: compassion

[Share Long]

Ann, if turq feels, as you say below, nothing but contempt for me, that's ok 
with me but in that case he should get the 2013 Online Acting Award IMHO. What 
I like is that turq can call me an idiot one day and the next day send me a 
birthday song. IOW he doesn't get stuck. I think this is something about turq 
that you and Judy and Doc mostly miss. Often the three of you seem to have 
automatic, knee jerk reactions to him.


As for not using dead siblings to hurt one another, I think Steve mentioned 
this to Doc a few days ago, something about making family off limits. 

I think this applies doubly when it comes to family tragedies.



 From: Ann 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2013 7:53 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: compassion
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > >
> > > Judy to Ann about Share: She ignored a bunch of the 
> > > questions I asked her too. Share replies: now who's 
> > > being juvenile and an obstinate child? I vote for Judy. 
> > > As for Ann, she's returned as her usual arrogant self 
> > > declaring who's worthy or her approval.
> > 
> > Not who's " worthy" just who happens to have it. I neither 
> > approve or disapprove of you. Respect is another thing all 
> > together though, oh, and believability. 
> > 
> > Not feeling so charitable and compassionate today, calling 
> > me "arrogant" and implying I'm always like that? Tsk, tsk, 
> > I'll make sure to keep my hair out of your reach if we ever 
> > meet. Or maybe you're one of those 'claw your eyes out' 
> > kind of girls.
> 
> Ahem. Ann, posting April 3, after being referred to
> as a mere "minion-bitch, trying to impress the uber-
> bitch" by ragging continually (even then) on Share:
> 
> > I resent the implication that I am a minion-bitch 
> > here. If I can't be the uber version then I am taking 
> > my verbal weaponry and plying my trade elsewhere. I 
> > can clearly see I am under appreciated here. I'm used 
> > to being the top banana, the big cheese and I refuse 
> > to play any sort of second fiddle to anyone. Understood?

I don't get it. Your "Ahem" paragraph doesn't seem to relate to the quote from 
my post. My paragraph was a big fat ironic (or is it sarcastic?) statement but 
hardly a "rag" on Share. I certainly have given her as good as she likes to 
dole out, just in a different way. 

One thing Barry; I can admit what I do and why I do it. I take responsibility 
for my actions and I freely admit I'm fallible. I told you I can be a jerk and 
when I get assholishness in return for my less than saintly actions I can take 
it. However, all you appear to be able to do is dish it out in steaming 
shovelfuls. Neverthelss, that is not my problem, I have enough to worry about 
without trying to continually make you honest, decent or even coherent.

Your cozying up to Share is worse than my "ragging" on her. You use her and 
feign support when in fact you feel nothing but contempt. If you had an ounce 
of integrity you'd admit it and stop doing it.
> 
> :-)
>


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: compassion

[Share Long]

turq, I'm sorry about your brother. It sounds like you cared about him a lot. 
Hope you all had some good times too.





 From: turquoiseb 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 9:09 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: compassion
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> More to the point, Steve, as the motto says, "Mean 
> People Suck". So for those who spew a lot, it is 
> helpful for them to shut their mouths, and swallow 
> their pride, once in awhile. It improves everybody's 
> digestion.

Gee, I guess you don't mean "Mean People" as in
Richard digging up an old post about my brother 
so he could use it to make derogatory comments 
about me, or you and Judy "piling on" to make 
further comments? 

You know, the brother who ended up killing himself?

Yup. It wasn't near to the time I had to poke him
in the solar plexus to get him to wake up and
realize how out of it the alcohol and his mental
problems had made him. He actually thanked me for
that, got some help, and for quite a while it 
looked as if he'd gotten both under control, and
was doing better. But then he relapsed and hit 
the bottle again, and in a fit of alcohol-fueled 
depression he shot himself.

But don't let that stop you from making comments
about my "DNA." Now do you see what I was getting
at by mentioning *your* brother and your "AIDS DNA?" 
Feels a little different when the shoe's on the 
other foot, doesn't it?

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> >
> > Pretty mean stuff.  Does this mean you have reckless gay 
> > tendencies Jim?
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Yep, DNA.
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Interesting thread from the past, Richard: So, Barry
> > > > > punched his brother very hard in the stomach, to stop
> > > > > him from beating up a neighbor, after the brother beat
> > > > > up his Dad. Then you have Barry with his anti-social
> > > > > tendencies, who is only prevented from physical abuse,
> > > > > by the distance between his keyboard, and those he hates.
> > > > >
> > > > > One word: DNA.
> > > >
> > > > LOL. But I'll react to it the way Robin should have:
> > > >
> > > > "Yes, I struck my brother. It wasn't a punch, it was
> > > > a short, focused 'shuto' strike to the solar plexus
> > > > that left him sitting on the floor gasping for air
> > > > for several minutes, but I struck him.
> > > >
> > > > "I felt it was appropriate at the time, because he
> > > > had just beaten up our 70-year-old father and was
> > > > trying to do the same with a 70-year-old neighbor,
> > > > screaming that "You people don't even EXIST." I
> > > > felt that it was appropriate to remind him that
> > > > we did, and that he was out of control.
> > > >
> > > > "In retrospect, I could have accomplished the same
> > > > 'reality check' with a straight jacket, as the
> > > > facility we had to check him into did, but I didn't
> > > > have one handy. Mea culpa."
> > > >
> > > > Several words for Doc, paraphrasing his approach:
> > > > "Yes, I'm enlightened, and that makes me so much
> > > > better and more compassionate than the rest of
> > > > you who aren't!" :-) :-) :-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > My guess is we've all done wrong and or stupid stuff
> > > > > > > > at some point in our lives including lying and
> > > > > > > > physically hurting others even those we love. So I
> > > > > > > > vote for pragmatic and universal compassion.
> > > > > > > > Just to be clear, by pragmatic compassion I don't
> > > > > > > > mean the allowing of abuse. I mean something along
> > > > > > > > the lines of hate the wrong doing, have compassion
> > > > > > > > for the wrong doer but don't allow them to continue
> > > > > > > > wrong doing.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > authfriend:
> > > > > > > I guess you're not talking about FFL, then, huh? Unless
> > > > > > > you have some magical formula that prevents wrongdoers
> > > > > > > from continuing their wrongdoing.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As to "physically hurting others," I suggest you speak for
> > > > > > > yourself. My own guess is that most of us have managed to
> > > > > > > avoid physical violence, to those we love as well as to
> > > > > > > those we don't.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Barry hit his brother in the solar plexus?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "That was a general-purpose rap that had nothing
> > > > > > to do with my brother. It was about the silly
> > > > > > solipsist wannabees on this forum and about solip-
> > > > > > sists in general."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/176100
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > For yourself, steer clear of abusive behavior 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: compassion

[Share Long]

Judy to Ann about Share: She ignored a bunch of the questions I asked her too. 
Share replies: now who's being juvenile and an obstinate child? I vote for 
Judy. As for Ann, she's returned as her usual arrogant self declaring who's 
worthy or her approval.




 From: authfriend 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 11:27 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: compassion
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > My mistake and understandable given what paligap had written to you in post 
> > # 347852: Feser seems to in the forefront of a bit of an Aristotelian 
> > renaissance that we are seeing at the moment. I'm sure Robin's a fan. But 
> > as a Catholic conservative, I rather think you will dislike some of his 
> > political/social ideas.
> > 
> > Back to my original question: did you and your sister ever engage in 
> > physical fighting?
> 
> If Judy says " yes" what does this indicate? If she says "no"
> what will you surmise? If you keep asking this question like
> some obstinate child what does this mean in terms of your
> character?

You need to read the discussion from the beginning (see
below, it's all there) to find out what's going on here.
She's pulling a Barry, apparently thinking that must be a
really smart move. She's made a fool of herself more than
once on FFL, but this and the "average" discussion take
the cake.

If you do read the rest of the posts in this present thread,
you'll also see what she said that inspired the ungracious
retraction at the top. (Swallow your coffee first.)

It's really difficult to understand how anyone can have
so little awareness of how disastrously they've fouled up.
She just keeps going like the Energizer Bunny, completely
oblivious to how she's making more and more of a mess.

> If I ask you these questions what will you do, what do you
> feel? So many questions so few well thought out answers.

She ignored a bunch of the questions I asked her too.

> 
> Have you ever gotten into a physical fight? I have not and certainly not with 
> my sisters. However, and you will find this fascinating, I did throw my 
> paperback book at the head of my roommate at camp in grade four and she 
> became incensed enough to try and beat me up. I was surprised that violence 
> could erupt so quickly but I think I deserved it for throwing that book at 
> her. In fact, I am sure I deserved every bit of it.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: authfriend 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 11:06 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: compassion
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > >
> > > Ah, Judy, skirting the crucial issues of universal wrong
> > > doing and thus the appropriateness of universal compassion .
> > 
> > Nothing wrong with universal compassion. What made you
> > think I believe it's not appropriate?
> > 
> > > But more importantly, this is an example of what I call your
> > > dirty fighting. Denying what you probably know to be true.
> > 
> > Oh? Let's see:
> > 
> > > Meaning, a friend of yours here recently referred to you as 
> > > conservative Catholic. You did not correct him. Was he being
> > > ironic?
> > 
> > I'm not aware of anyone ever having referred to me as a
> > "conservative Catholic." If anyone had, I would have
> > corrected them with a hoot of laughter.
> > 
> > Would you care to quote the post in question? I strongly
> > suspect you've gotten something very fouled up in your
> > mind.
> > 
> > > Anyway, if he is and you're not CC, perhaps in your
> > > philosophical readings you've heard of "the age of reason."
> > > That would be, according to the Catholic Church of the 50s,
> > > age 7, right? Age 7 in those days was when children first
> > > received the sacrament of Penance or Confession, now called
> > > Reconciliation I think. It involves confessing sins,
> > > receiving and doing penance. One assumes from this that the
> > > Church deems children as young as 7 as able to know the
> > > difference between right and wrong. Do you think the
> > > Catholic Church wrong?
> > 
> > I would certainly disagree with the premise that children
> > are endowed with an adult sense of right and wrong by the
> > age of seven, and I'd be very surprised if that was indeed
> > Catholic dogma. My uninformed guess is that the sacrament
> > is introduced at this point as a way of calling children's
> > attention to the fact that there *is* a distinction
> > between right and wrong and helping them begin to
> > understand it and to take responsibility for avoiding
> > wrongdoing.
> > 
> > > More to the point, are you still saying that you and your
> > > sister never had a physical fight at some point in your
> > > life?
> > 
> > I never said that.
> > 
> > I would say that it's you who is engaging in the "dirty
> > fighting" y

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: compassion

[Share Long]

My original point, addressing the issues of hitting others and lying, was that 
we've all done stupid and or wrong stuff at some time in our lives and that I 
vote for pragmatic and universal compassion. Judy made some reply to the effect 
that I must only be speaking about myself. So I've been asking her if she and 
her sister, even as children or teens, ever had physical fights such as hair 
pulling. She has not answered that question. Of course that is her right and 
another opportunity to exercise universal compassion. It's a goal for me, even 
if I miss sometimes.





 From: turquoiseb 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2013 1:48 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: compassion
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > >
> > > Back to my original question: did you and your sister 
> > > ever engage in physical fighting?
> > 
> > If Judy says " yes" what does this indicate? If she says "no"
> > what will you surmise? If you keep asking this question like
> > some obstinate child what does this mean in terms of your
> > character?
> 
> You need to read the discussion from the beginning (see
> below, it's all there) to find out what's going on here.
> She's pulling a Barry, apparently thinking that must be a
> really smart move. 

What Judy means by "pulling a Barry" is "asking
me a direct Yes/No question that I don't want to
answer." Judy doesn't do well with those, and can
only dissemble and equivocate and try to use words,
words, words to *avoid* answering such questions.

Let's demonstrate: Judy, have you ever commented
negatively on this forum about a film you have never 
seen, and about its director? 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: compassion

[Share Long]

IMO Ann, this is about staying on track with a valid question between adults. 
YMMV





 From: Ann 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 10:01 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: compassion
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> My mistake and understandable given what paligap had written to you in post # 
> 347852: Feser seems to in the forefront of a bit of an Aristotelian 
> renaissance that we are seeing at the moment. I'm sure Robin's a fan. But as 
> a Catholic conservative, I rather think you will dislike some of his 
> political/social ideas.
> 
> Back to my original question: did you and your sister ever engage in physical 
> fighting?

If Judy says " yes" what does this indicate? If she says "no" what will you 
surmise? If you keep asking this question like some obstinate child what does 
this mean in terms of your character? If I ask you these questions what will 
you do, what do you feel? So many questions so few well thought out answers.

Have you ever gotten into a physical fight? I have not and certainly not with 
my sisters. However, and you will find this fascinating, I did throw my 
paperback book at the head of my roommate at camp in grade four and she became 
incensed enough to try and beat me up. I was surprised that violence could 
erupt so quickly but I think I deserved it for throwing that book at her. In 
fact, I am sure I deserved every bit of it.
> 
> 
> 
>  From: authfriend 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 11:06 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: compassion
> 
> 
> 
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Ah, Judy, skirting the crucial issues of universal wrong
> > doing and thus the appropriateness of universal compassion .
> 
> Nothing wrong with universal compassion. What made you
> think I believe it's not appropriate?
> 
> > But more importantly, this is an example of what I call your
> > dirty fighting. Denying what you probably know to be true.
> 
> Oh? Let's see:
> 
> > Meaning, a friend of yours here recently referred to you as 
> > conservative Catholic. You did not correct him. Was he being
> > ironic?
> 
> I'm not aware of anyone ever having referred to me as a
> "conservative Catholic." If anyone had, I would have
> corrected them with a hoot of laughter.
> 
> Would you care to quote the post in question? I strongly
> suspect you've gotten something very fouled up in your
> mind.
> 
> > Anyway, if he is and you're not CC, perhaps in your
> > philosophical readings you've heard of "the age of reason."
> > That would be, according to the Catholic Church of the 50s,
> > age 7, right? Age 7 in those days was when children first
> > received the sacrament of Penance or Confession, now called
> > Reconciliation I think. It involves confessing sins,
> > receiving and doing penance. One assumes from this that the
> > Church deems children as young as 7 as able to know the
> > difference between right and wrong. Do you think the
> > Catholic Church wrong?
> 
> I would certainly disagree with the premise that children
> are endowed with an adult sense of right and wrong by the
> age of seven, and I'd be very surprised if that was indeed
> Catholic dogma. My uninformed guess is that the sacrament
> is introduced at this point as a way of calling children's
> attention to the fact that there *is* a distinction
> between right and wrong and helping them begin to
> understand it and to take responsibility for avoiding
> wrongdoing.
> 
> > More to the point, are you still saying that you and your
> > sister never had a physical fight at some point in your
> > life?
> 
> I never said that.
> 
> I would say that it's you who is engaging in the "dirty
> fighting" you attribute to me here, except that you're
> obviously such a dimwit you don't even know that's what
> you're doing.
> 
> > 
> >  From: authfriend 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 8:26 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: compassion
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > And now we know for sure that the way you post on FFL
> > is an exception to your theories on compassion.
> > 
> > No surprise there. I just wanted you to demonstrate that
> > for us, and you've done so very effectively.
> > 
> > (P.S.: What's the difference, in your mind, between "silly"
> > and "dumb"? My dictionary defines "dumb" as "lacking
> > intelligence" and "silly" as "weak in intellect." I'm just
> > not sure which to call the inclusion of children in your
> > "hate the wrongdoing, have compassion for the wrongdoer"
> > formula, since children aren't generally considered to have
> > a clear idea of right and wrong. One would *think*, with
> > regard to that formula, that "at some point in our lives"
> > would mean at some point after we've developed a sense of
> > right and wrong.)
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldL

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: compassion

[Share Long]

My mistake and understandable given what paligap had written to you in post # 
347852: Feser seems to in the forefront of a bit of an Aristotelian renaissance 
that we are seeing at the moment. I'm sure Robin's a fan. But as a Catholic 
conservative, I rather think you will dislike some of his political/social 
ideas.

Back to my original question: did you and your sister ever engage in physical 
fighting?



 From: authfriend 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 11:06 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: compassion
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Ah, Judy, skirting the crucial issues of universal wrong
> doing and thus the appropriateness of universal compassion .

Nothing wrong with universal compassion. What made you
think I believe it's not appropriate?

> But more importantly, this is an example of what I call your
> dirty fighting. Denying what you probably know to be true.

Oh? Let's see:

> Meaning, a friend of yours here recently referred to you as 
> conservative Catholic. You did not correct him. Was he being
> ironic?

I'm not aware of anyone ever having referred to me as a
"conservative Catholic." If anyone had, I would have
corrected them with a hoot of laughter.

Would you care to quote the post in question? I strongly
suspect you've gotten something very fouled up in your
mind.

> Anyway, if he is and you're not CC, perhaps in your
> philosophical readings you've heard of "the age of reason."
> That would be, according to the Catholic Church of the 50s,
> age 7, right? Age 7 in those days was when children first
> received the sacrament of Penance or Confession, now called
> Reconciliation I think. It involves confessing sins,
> receiving and doing penance. One assumes from this that the
> Church deems children as young as 7 as able to know the
> difference between right and wrong. Do you think the
> Catholic Church wrong?

I would certainly disagree with the premise that children
are endowed with an adult sense of right and wrong by the
age of seven, and I'd be very surprised if that was indeed
Catholic dogma. My uninformed guess is that the sacrament
is introduced at this point as a way of calling children's
attention to the fact that there *is* a distinction
between right and wrong and helping them begin to
understand it and to take responsibility for avoiding
wrongdoing.

> More to the point, are you still saying that you and your
> sister never had a physical fight at some point in your
> life?

I never said that.

I would say that it's you who is engaging in the "dirty
fighting" you attribute to me here, except that you're
obviously such a dimwit you don't even know that's what
you're doing.

> 
>  From: authfriend 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 8:26 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: compassion
> 
> 
> 
>   
> And now we know for sure that the way you post on FFL
> is an exception to your theories on compassion.
> 
> No surprise there. I just wanted you to demonstrate that
> for us, and you've done so very effectively.
> 
> (P.S.: What's the difference, in your mind, between "silly"
> and "dumb"? My dictionary defines "dumb" as "lacking
> intelligence" and "silly" as "weak in intellect." I'm just
> not sure which to call the inclusion of children in your
> "hate the wrongdoing, have compassion for the wrongdoer"
> formula, since children aren't generally considered to have
> a clear idea of right and wrong. One would *think*, with
> regard to that formula, that "at some point in our lives"
> would mean at some point after we've developed a sense of
> right and wrong.)
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > No Judy, I wouldn't expect you to be at all interested in any post that was 
> > about universal compassion. Your compassion seems limited to one person in 
> > particular and maybe 2 or 3 others. And I wouldn't say it was silly of you 
> > to think I was talking about adults. I'd say it was dumb, since my sentence 
> > read:  My guess is we've all done wrong and or stupid stuff at some point 
> > in our lives. At some point in our lives would include childhood and teen 
> > years, now wouldn't it? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: authfriend 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 5:46 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: compassion
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > >
> > > Jeez, what a saint you've been Judy. You mean to tell me
> > > that you and your sister never got into any hair pulling
> > > fights?!
> > 
> > Oh, I thought you were talking about adults. Silly me.
> > 
> > > Anyway, I simply meant that if A is being hurt by B, then
> > > it's A's responsibility to remove himself or herself from
> > > B's presence.
> > 
> > So that's what you meant by "Don't allow [the wrongdo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: compassion

[Share Long]

Ah, Judy, skirting the crucial issues of universal wrong doing and thus the 
appropriateness of universal compassion . But more importantly, this is an 
example of what I call your dirty fighting. Denying what you probably know to 
be true. Meaning, a friend of yours here recently referred to you as 
conservative Catholic. You did not correct him. Was he being ironic? Anyway, if 
he is and you're not CC, perhaps in your philosophical readings you've heard of 
"the age of reason." That would be, according to the Catholic Church of the 
50s, age 7, right? Age 7 in those days was when children first received the 
sacrament of Penance or Confession, now called Reconciliation I think. It 
involves confessing sins, receiving and doing penance. One assumes from this 
that the Church deems children as young as 7 as able to know the difference 
between right and wrong. Do you think the Catholic Church wrong?

More to the point, are you still saying that you and your sister never had a 
physical
 fight at some point in your life?





 From: authfriend 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 8:26 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: compassion
 


  
And now we know for sure that the way you post on FFL
is an exception to your theories on compassion.

No surprise there. I just wanted you to demonstrate that
for us, and you've done so very effectively.

(P.S.: What's the difference, in your mind, between "silly"
and "dumb"? My dictionary defines "dumb" as "lacking
intelligence" and "silly" as "weak in intellect." I'm just
not sure which to call the inclusion of children in your
"hate the wrongdoing, have compassion for the wrongdoer"
formula, since children aren't generally considered to have
a clear idea of right and wrong. One would *think*, with
regard to that formula, that "at some point in our lives"
would mean at some point after we've developed a sense of
right and wrong.)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> No Judy, I wouldn't expect you to be at all interested in any post that was 
> about universal compassion. Your compassion seems limited to one person in 
> particular and maybe 2 or 3 others. And I wouldn't say it was silly of you to 
> think I was talking about adults. I'd say it was dumb, since my sentence 
> read:  My guess is we've all done wrong and or stupid stuff at some point in 
> our lives. At some point in our lives would include childhood and teen years, 
> now wouldn't it? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: authfriend 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 5:46 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: compassion
> 
> 
> 
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Jeez, what a saint you've been Judy. You mean to tell me
> > that you and your sister never got into any hair pulling
> > fights?!
> 
> Oh, I thought you were talking about adults. Silly me.
> 
> > Anyway, I simply meant that if A is being hurt by B, then
> > it's A's responsibility to remove himself or herself from
> > B's presence.
> 
> So that's what you meant by "Don't allow [the wrongdoer]
> to continue wrong doing"? I see.
> 
> > Otherwise it's society's responsibility to
> > put wrong doers in circumstances where they can't harm
> > those weaker than them.
> 
> So you *aren't* talking about FFL, just as I thought.
> This was all an idea you had, completely unrelated to
> anything going on here, that you thought we would find
> of interest.
> 
> Right.
> 
> > 
> >  From: authfriend 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 2:40 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: compassion
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > >
> > > My guess is we've all done wrong and or stupid stuff at some point
> > > in our lives including lying and physically hurting others even
> > > those we love. So I vote for pragmatic and universal compassion.
> > > Just to be clear, by pragmatic compassion I don't mean the allowing
> > > of abuse. I mean something along the lines of hate the wrong doing,
> > > have compassion for the wrong doer but don't allow them to continue
> > > wrong doing.
> > 
> > I guess you're not talking about FFL, then, huh? Unless
> > you have some magical formula that prevents wrongdoers
> > from continuing their wrongdoing.
> > 
> > As to "physically hurting others," I suggest you speak for
> > yourself. My own guess is that most of us have managed to
> > avoid physical violence, to those we love as well as to
> > those we don't.
> > 
> > > For yourself, steer clear of abusive behavior and do what's
> > > necessary to protect those who aren't able to protect themselves.
> >
>


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: compassion

[Ravi Chivukula]

On 6/30/13 9:59 PM, turquoiseb wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
, Share Long  
wrote:

>
> No Judy, I wouldn't expect you to be at all interested
> in any post that was about universal compassion. Your
> compassion seems limited to one person in particular
> and maybe 2 or 3 others.

Think "Despicable Me," Share. Judy only has compassion
for her minions, those who do her bidding and help her
"get" her declared enemies. :-) :-) :-)



Oh - not Robin and his minions? Please get your act right, you are 
confusing the minions here. We can't keep changing our allegiance every 
day - please provide some clarity.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: compassion

[Ravi Chivukula]

So - real funny huh - this incident with your brother? I suppose even 
blood relations do not matter when it comes to making yourself look good 
over others - narcissistic? sociopathic? sadistic? What needs to be done 
to make you see this reality of yours - this sickening sadistic, 
sociopathic streak?


Can you see it - your behavior for the last 2 weeks? This relentless 
obsession on Judy, on Robin, as if by repeating lies over and over again 
you can manipulate reality, manipulate truth. How repulsive and 
disgusting - May the existence have mercy on your soul.



On 6/30/13 9:52 PM, turquoiseb wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
, doctordumbass@... 
 wrote:

>
> Interesting thread from the past, Richard: So, Barry
> punched his brother very hard in the stomach, to stop
> him from beating up a neighbor, after the brother beat
> up his Dad. Then you have Barry with his anti-social
> tendencies, who is only prevented from physical abuse,
> by the distance between his keyboard, and those he hates.
>
> One word: DNA.

LOL. But I'll react to it the way Robin should have:

"Yes, I struck my brother. It wasn't a punch, it was
a short, focused 'shuto' strike to the solar plexus
that left him sitting on the floor gasping for air
for several minutes, but I struck him.

"I felt it was appropriate at the time, because he
had just beaten up our 70-year-old father and was
trying to do the same with a 70-year-old neighbor,
screaming that "You people don't even EXIST." I
felt that it was appropriate to remind him that
we did, and that he was out of control.

"In retrospect, I could have accomplished the same
'reality check' with a straight jacket, as the
facility we had to check him into did, but I didn't
have one handy. Mea culpa."

Several words for Doc, paraphrasing his approach:
"Yes, I'm enlightened, and that makes me so much
better and more compassionate than the rest of
you who aren't!" :-) :-) :-)

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
, "Richard J. Williams" 
 wrote:

> >
> > > > My guess is we've all done wrong and or stupid stuff
> > > > at some point in our lives including lying and
> > > > physically hurting others even those we love. So I
> > > > vote for pragmatic and universal compassion.
> > > > Just to be clear, by pragmatic compassion I don't
> > > > mean the allowing of abuse. I mean something along
> > > > the lines of hate the wrong doing, have compassion
> > > > for the wrong doer but don't allow them to continue
> > > > wrong doing.
> > >
> > authfriend:
> > > I guess you're not talking about FFL, then, huh? Unless
> > > you have some magical formula that prevents wrongdoers
> > > from continuing their wrongdoing.
> > >
> > > As to "physically hurting others," I suggest you speak for
> > > yourself. My own guess is that most of us have managed to
> > > avoid physical violence, to those we love as well as to
> > > those we don't.
> >
> > Barry hit his brother in the solar plexus?
> >
> > "That was a general-purpose rap that had nothing
> > to do with my brother. It was about the silly
> > solipsist wannabees on this forum and about solip-
> > sists in general."
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/176100
> >
> > > > For yourself, steer clear of abusive behavior and
> > > > do what's necessary to protect those who aren't
> > > > able to protect themselves.
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: compassion

[Share Long]

No Judy, I wouldn't expect you to be at all interested in any post that was 
about universal compassion. Your compassion seems limited to one person in 
particular and maybe 2 or 3 others. And I wouldn't say it was silly of you to 
think I was talking about adults. I'd say it was dumb, since my sentence read:  
My guess is we've all done wrong and or stupid stuff at some point in our 
lives. At some point in our lives would include childhood and teen years, now 
wouldn't it? 




 From: authfriend 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 5:46 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: compassion
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Jeez, what a saint you've been Judy. You mean to tell me
> that you and your sister never got into any hair pulling
> fights?!

Oh, I thought you were talking about adults. Silly me.

> Anyway, I simply meant that if A is being hurt by B, then
> it's A's responsibility to remove himself or herself from
> B's presence.

So that's what you meant by "Don't allow [the wrongdoer]
to continue wrong doing"? I see.

> Otherwise it's society's responsibility to
> put wrong doers in circumstances where they can't harm
> those weaker than them.

So you *aren't* talking about FFL, just as I thought.
This was all an idea you had, completely unrelated to
anything going on here, that you thought we would find
of interest.

Right.

> 
>  From: authfriend 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 2:40 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: compassion
> 
> 
> 
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > My guess is we've all done wrong and or stupid stuff at some point
> > in our lives including lying and physically hurting others even
> > those we love. So I vote for pragmatic and universal compassion.
> > Just to be clear, by pragmatic compassion I don't mean the allowing
> > of abuse. I mean something along the lines of hate the wrong doing,
> > have compassion for the wrong doer but don't allow them to continue
> > wrong doing.
> 
> I guess you're not talking about FFL, then, huh? Unless
> you have some magical formula that prevents wrongdoers
> from continuing their wrongdoing.
> 
> As to "physically hurting others," I suggest you speak for
> yourself. My own guess is that most of us have managed to
> avoid physical violence, to those we love as well as to
> those we don't.
> 
> > For yourself, steer clear of abusive behavior and do what's
> > necessary to protect those who aren't able to protect themselves.
>


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: compassion

[Share Long]

Jeez, what a saint you've been Judy. You mean to tell me that you and your 
sister never got into any hair pulling fights?! Anyway, I simply meant that if 
A is being hurt by B, then it's A's responsibility to remove himself or herself 
from B's presence. Otherwise it's society's responsibility to put wrong doers 
in circumstances where they can't harm those weaker than them.





 From: authfriend 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 2:40 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: compassion
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> My guess is we've all done wrong and or stupid stuff at some point
> in our lives including lying and physically hurting others even
> those we love. So I vote for pragmatic and universal compassion.
> Just to be clear, by pragmatic compassion I don't mean the allowing
> of abuse. I mean something along the lines of hate the wrong doing,
> have compassion for the wrong doer but don't allow them to continue
> wrong doing.

I guess you're not talking about FFL, then, huh? Unless
you have some magical formula that prevents wrongdoers
from continuing their wrongdoing.

As to "physically hurting others," I suggest you speak for
yourself. My own guess is that most of us have managed to
avoid physical violence, to those we love as well as to
those we don't.

> For yourself, steer clear of abusive behavior and do what's
> necessary to protect those who aren't able to protect themselves.


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Compassion (to Robin) - again

[Emily Reyn]

Whoops - a few corrections and I forgot the simple poem.  Ha.  

I'm nobody.  Who are you?
Are you nobody too?
Then there's a pair of us.
Don't tell - they'd banish us, you know.

How dreary to be somebody,
How public - like a frog - 
To tell your name the livelong June
To an admiring bog.    

~Emily Dickinson



 From: Emily Reyn 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 1:10 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Compassion (to Robin)
 

  
Dear Robin:

I very much appreciate your response as it helped me to articulate within 
myself what the concept is and how I might think of it. What you say is largely 
consistent with the idea that compassion as a concept is ultimately a virtue, 
so to speak (although *virtue* does not really do the concept justice either in 
that it doesn't capture the depth and breadth of the idea), and perhaps 
unattainable in that respect.  As a term, it is used interchangeably with 
empathetic or sympathetic, as you mention, and those are better descriptors for 
the kind of behavior attributed to a person acting out of compassion, for 
example.  I have been batting the word around in my head, along with the word 
"forgiveness" for some months now.  Amma was supposed to embody compassion and 
I really wanted to know what
 compassion "felt" like through a supposed saint, but I couldn't recognize such 
a "feeling" in her hug - my expectations were probably a bit high :)

Interestingly, this was a comment on the Buddha at the Gas Pump's comment page 
for Rick's latest interview by a poster named Valentino. 

"The depth of one’s compassion only comes from the depth of one’s personal 
experience with suffering. By fully being, experiencing, embracing, feeling and 
processing through one’s own suffering, that allows a person to relate to 
suffering of others. However if you use spiritual teachings as a method to 
confuse, avoid, deny, distract, bypass, dissociate, and/or hide from your own 
suffering, then you have little compassion for yourself let alone for anyone 
else."

On another topic, I looked through my books and lo and behold, I found some 
poetry.  Not much...Walt Whitman's Leaves of Grass, Denise Levertov, Spoon 
River Anthology and a book of Major American Poets, which includes a sampling 
from many.  So, I started with Emily Dickinson and was soon depressed. But, 
after reading of her life on the ever-helpful Wikipedia, I can appreciate her 
more.  Anyhow, it is all good for my recovery.  Thanks again for taking the 
time to respond to my question.  ~Em
















From: maskedzebra 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 12:52 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Compassion (to Robin)





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:

Dear Robin:  Can you explain this statement below?  I cut it out of the post it 
was in, but think that it can stand on its own without the surrounding
 context of what you were discussing then (the SC quote) - however I may be 
wrong there.  Are you saying simply that *man's existence and behavior* does 
not demonstrate compassion and that *the use of the word* is unwarranted, in 
this respect (in the 21st century)?  Or, are you saying something else?

[Robin: Just my own bias here, Emily, but I find the use of the word
compassion—almost in any context inside 21st Century existence—unreal and
unmeaning.] 

Wiki discussion of compassion for different religions:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compassion

Dear Emily,

Your posts have become so good that I feel much more drawn to praising you for 
what you are now contributing to FFL rather than trying to answer your question 
here about compassion. I remember writing this, but after reading the wikepedia 
definition you provide here I
 think I have been outthought on this one, and that it would be better for me 
to just shut up about my problem with the reality of compassion. I think in 
some very specific sense I have always felt that compassion was too profound an 
idea to really connect up with the experience of any single human being. There 
is a depth there in the meaning of the word which makes it seem beyond what is 
humanly possible to experience. The Dalai Lama is said to be the embodiment of 
compassion—and I remember a friend of mine attending one of his lectures and 
insisting to me that he (the DL) radiated so much compassion that the entire 
auditorium filled up with the energy and light of this compassion. An
aura of compassion, then, seemingly physicalized. But I don't know to what 
extent this kind of mystical compassion (ever heard Tibetan chanting? Doesn't 
sound like something close to what it means to be a human being—that is, to me. 
Like so much about the East it
 feels alien and impersonal) can be effectively translated into acts 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Compassion (to Robin)

[Emily Reyn]

Dear Robin:

I very much appreciate your response as it helped me to articulate within 
myself what the concept is and how I might think of it. What you say is largely 
consistent with the idea that compassion as a concept is ultimately a virtue, 
so to speak (although *virtue* does not really do the concept justice either in 
that it doesn't capture the depth and breadth of the idea), and perhaps 
unattainable in that respect.  As a term, it is used interchangeably with 
empathetic or sympathetic, as you mention, and those are better descriptors for 
the kind of behavior attributed to a person acting out of compassion, for 
example.  I have been batting the word around in my head, along with the word 
"forgiveness" for some months now.  Amma was supposed to embody compassion and 
I really wanted to know what compassion "felt" like through a supposed saint, 
but I couldn't recognize such a "feeling" in her hug - my expectations were 
probably a bit high :)

Interestingly, this was a comment on the Buddha at the Gas Pump's comment page 
for his latest interview by a poster named Valentino. 

"The depth of one’s compassion only comes from the depth of one’s personal 
experience with suffering. By fully being, experiencing, embracing, feeling and 
processing through one’s own suffering, that allows a person to relate to 
suffering of others. However if you use spiritual teachings as a method to 
confuse, avoid, deny, distract, bypass, dissociate, and/or hide from your own 
suffering, then you have little compassion for yourself let alone for anyone 
else."

On another topic, I looked through my books and lo and behold, I found some 
poetry.  Not much...Walt Whitman's Leaves of Grass, Denise Levertov, Spoon 
River Anthology and a book of Major American Poets, which includes a sampling 
from many.  So, I started with Emily Dickinson and was soon depressed. But, 
after reading of her life on the ever-helpful Wikipedia, I can appreciate her 
more.  Anyhow, it is all good for my recovery.  Thanks again for taking the 
time to respond to my question.  ~Em
















From: maskedzebra 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 12:52 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Compassion (to Robin)





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:

Dear Robin:  Can you explain this statement below?  I cut it out of the post it 
was in, but think that it can stand on its own without the surrounding context 
of what you were discussing then (the SC quote) - however I may be wrong 
there.  Are you saying simply that *man's existence and behavior* does not 
demonstrate compassion and that *the use of the word* is unwarranted, in this 
respect (in the 21st century)?  Or, are you saying something else?

[Robin: Just my own bias here, Emily, but I find the use of the word
compassion—almost in any context inside 21st Century existence—unreal and
unmeaning.] 

Wiki discussion of compassion for different religions:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compassion

Dear Emily,

Your posts have become so good that I feel much more drawn to praising you for 
what you are now contributing to FFL rather than trying to answer your question 
here about compassion. I remember writing this, but after reading the wikepedia 
definition you provide here I think I have been outthought on this one, and 
that it would be better for me to just shut up about my problem with the 
reality of compassion. I think in some very specific sense I have always felt 
that compassion was too profound an idea to really connect up with the 
experience of any single human being. There is a depth there in the meaning of 
the word which makes it seem beyond what is humanly possible to experience. The 
Dalai Lama is said to be the embodiment of compassion—and I remember a friend 
of mine attending one of his lectures and insisting to me that he (the DL) 
radiated so much compassion that the entire auditorium filled up with the 
energy and light of this compassion. An
aura of compassion, then, seemingly physicalized. But I don't know to what 
extent this kind of mystical compassion (ever heard Tibetan chanting? Doesn't 
sound like something close to what it means to be a human being—that is, to me. 
Like so much about the East it feels alien and impersonal) can be effectively 
translated into acts of grace and unselfishness—at least inside the natural 
movement of the human personality. I think compassion tends to have the ring of 
something very praiseworthy and noble and spiritual, but that I have not seen 
(I speak for myself only here) the display of this trait inside the personal 
actions of any human being I have met. I understand empathy, sympathy, 
unselfishness, generosity, feeling the pain and suffering of others. It is 
just, Emily, if someone told me: So and so is a compassionate person, I would 
tend to think that person was constructing and performing an act which carried 
with it the tokens of