blueprint modeling software?
just had a request for blueprint modeling software that runs on linux (fedora, ideally). i know *nothing* about such software and am currently googling, but if someone wants to point me in the direction of some good examples, that would be just ducky. thanks. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
vmware workstation 7 on 64-bit fedora 12?
is anyone out there running vmware WS 7 on fedora 12? any gotchas i should know about? i'm downloading the full x86_64 bundle of vmware WS as we speak, but some googling turned up stuff like this: http://osdir.com/ml/fedora-test-list/2009-10/msg00618.html which doesn't give me the warm fuzzies. so ... thoughts? directions? warnings? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
setting up a docbook 5.0 toolchain on fedora 12?
not sure if i asked about this once upon a time, but for a current project, i'd like to document what it takes to construct a full docbook 5.0 processing toolchain on fedora 12. i did something like this way back when but that was with docbook 4.x, and the tools have definitely changed since then. what i want is the *minimal* set of packages and setup to take docbook 5.0 input, and generate any of HTML/PS/PDF/others. by minimal, i mean that i have no interest in working with docbook 4.x, or having anything to do with SGML, only XML. ideally, i'd like to work with XSLT 2.0 as well. you get the idea -- cutting edge stuff, no interest in legacy or backward compatibility. i already know some of the packages i must/should(?) install: * libxml2 (for xmllint and xmlcatalog) * libxslt (for xsltproc) * any docbook5* packages * fop for PDF * saxon or xalan packages has anyone gone through this exercise already? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Also having NFSv4 problems
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: On Sun, 2010-01-03 at 22:05 -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: a private emailer tells me that what's causing the problem above is deselecting the NFSv1 line from /etc/sysconfig/nfs. apparently, that causes the problem so you should try this: #MOUNTD_NFS_V1=no MOUNTD_NFS_V2=no MOUNTD_NFS_V3=no weirdly, that fixes that last problem. why should that be? Robert, Weird is right. It does fix the nfs restart problem, but not the manual nfs mount problem. There's something else still lurking. Thanks. ok, one more post on this topic, then i'll shut up. as i've mentioned more than once, you can't do this in /etc/sysconfig/nfs: MOUNTD_NFS_V1=no MOUNTD_NFS_V2=no MOUNTD_NFS_V3=no you can, however, do this: #MOUNTD_NFS_V1=no MOUNTD_NFS_V2=no MOUNTD_NFS_V3=no in short, if you try to deactivate NFSv1 support, you will get an error trying to start rpc.mountd. however, if you look ever *further* down /etc/sysconfig/nfs, you see: # Optional arguments passed to rpc.nfsd. See rpc.nfsd(8) # Turn off v2 and v3 protocol support RPCNFSDARGS=-N 2 -N 3 # Turn off v4 protocol support #RPCNFSDARGS=-N 4 ok, so what if i try to deactivate NFSv1 support there as well with: RPCNFSDARGS=-N 1 -N 2 -N 3 # service nfs start Starting NFS services: [ OK ] Starting NFS quotas: [ OK ] Starting NFS daemon: 1: Unsupported version [FAILED] # ok, that's telling me that referring to NFSv1 is simply an error, and references to it should be either removed or ignored, such as from /etc/init.d/nfs. does that make sense? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Also having NFSv4 problems
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, Tom H wrote: On the client side just install and run autofs. Then, from any client cd /net/lion/pub and you're there. No need for cryptic mount commands in /etc/fstab (although, of course, you can go that way too, if you want). The automounter will do the work for you, on demand. Well, slap my momma on the a$$!! That works, but /net/lion/pub isn't quite where I'd wanted the mount to appear. If I put the following line in /etc/fstab: lion:/pub /lion nfs4 rsize=8192,wsize=8192,timeo=14,intr 0 0 I wonder why I can't manually mount the nfs-exported directory in /lion, which is owned by root:root and permissions 755? Even though you are not using the fsid=0 option for your lion:/pub /lion nfs4 rsize=8192,wsize=8192,timeo=14,intr 0 0 export, you might need to use mount -t nfs4 lion:/ /lion rather than mount -t nfs4 lion:/pub /lion (as in your first post) in order to mount the lion export because of nfsv4's pseudo-root feature. are you referring to NFSv4's subtree check feature? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
how does one consult /etc/nfsmount.conf when NFS mounting?
undoubtedly a few more NFS-related questions, and here's one. i notice that the nfs-utils package supplies the conf file /etc/nfsmount.conf. so what exactly consults that file? the man page for that file refers to nfs(5) and mount(8), but the man page for mount makes no mention of that file, while the man page for nfs reads: MOUNT CONFIGURATION FILE If the mount command is configured to do so, all of the mount options described in the previous section can also be configured in the /etc/nfsmount.conf file. See nfsmount.conf(5) for details. if it's configured to do so? and how does one do that, since the mount command doesn't seem to refer to that file. so how are these things hooked together? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: how does one consult /etc/nfsmount.conf when NFS mounting?
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, Ed Greshko wrote: Robert P. J. Day wrote: undoubtedly a few more NFS-related questions, and here's one. i notice that the nfs-utils package supplies the conf file /etc/nfsmount.conf. so what exactly consults that file? the man page for that file refers to nfs(5) and mount(8), but the man page for mount makes no mention of that file, while the man page for nfs reads: MOUNT CONFIGURATION FILE If the mount command is configured to do so, all of the mount options described in the previous section can also be configured in the /etc/nfsmount.conf file. See nfsmount.conf(5) for details. if it's configured to do so? and how does one do that, since the mount command doesn't seem to refer to that file. so how are these things hooked together? I'll hazard a guess and say that if you issue a mount command with -t nfs then this file will be consulted. i'd hazard the same guess, but it would be nice if one was not reduced to guessing with stuff like this. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: any fundamental difference between fedora and suse NFSv4?
On Tue, 5 Jan 2010, Ed Greshko wrote: FWIW, I've not spent any time trying to get a pure nfs4 environment. IMHO, it doesn't buy anything. i'm willing to agree. my interest was more in stress testing the setup to see if it would work the way the docs claimed. i was curious to see if, when one selects a pure NFSv4 environment, whether any legacy NFSv3 cruft got dragged along for the ride. when something like that happens, you can get annoyingly obscure errors. anyway, i think we've established that some cleanup could be done. i created the initial BZ report here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=552144 so people are welcome to add any further comments there. i'll probably add one more comment summarizing what i think i've figured out. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: whence RPCBIND_ARGS?
On Sun, 3 Jan 2010, Cameron Simpson wrote: On 02Jan2010 14:47, Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca wrote: | i'm tracing the execution of rpcbind on my f12 system, and in the | common code, i read: | | prog=rpcbind | [ -f /etc/sysconfig/$prog ] . /etc/sysconfig/$prog | | while in the start() function, there is: | | daemon $prog $RPCBIND_ARGS $1 | | i'm curious about this since: | | 1) there's no apparent documentation for setting/using $RPCBIND_ARGS man rpcbind describes a heap of options. Clearly you can put any of them into RPCBIND_ARGS. | 2) there's no /etc/sysconfig/rpcbind file for initial config A pity. There really ought to be a stub file with an empty RPCBIND_ARGS= assignment. And a comment. | 3) there's no mention of RPCBIND_ARGS in the rpcbind man page Of course not. It's an artifact of the f12 startup scripts, not the rpcbind daemon itself. | admittedly, that doesn't make any of this *wrong*, it just seems | that $RPCBIND_ARGS is kind of hanging out there, without anyone making | an effort to explain what might be done with it or why it would be | useful. thoughts? Like all the /etc/sysconfig files, you can put something like: RPCBIND_ARGS=-h some.local.lan.address or the like to start rpcbind with particular arguments. i'm not suggesting there's anything *wrong* with the current situation, just that since /etc/init.d/rpcbind explicitly refers to RPCBIND_ARGS, it would have been handy to have mentioned it somewhere so users might be able to take advantage of it. personally, i like your suggestion 2) above -- have a no-op /etc/sysconfig/rpcbind file with at least a few comments and sample variable settings. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
any fundamental difference between fedora and suse NFSv4?
i'm currently reviewing a doc on suse linux enterprise 11, the section on NFS, but i don't have a SLES 11 machine in front of me. could anyone who uses both SLES 11 and fedora 12 comment on how indistinguishable the NFS setups are across those two distros? so far, i haven't seen a lot that's massively incompatible, and i wouldn't expect to. obviously, the fundamental files are going to be the same. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
running *only* NFSv4 on f12 produces rpc.mountd error
i'm currently still messing with various bits of NFS on f12, and i wanted to see if i could properly run *only* NFSv4 (that is, no support for any earlier version of NFS), so some questions. first, is there a short way to examine what versions are supported by a running nfsd? i'm *guessing* that i can see that via rpcinfo -p: ... 132 tcp 2049 nfs 133 tcp 2049 nfs 134 tcp 2049 nfs 132 udp 2049 nfs 133 udp 2049 nfs 134 udp 2049 nfs ... is that what i'm being shown above? that i currently have support for versions 2, 3 and 4?is there no simpler way to query a running nfsd for that info? but here's where it gets trickier. from here (which i assume is relevant): http://www.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/5.4/html/Deployment_Guide/ch-nfs.html i'm told that, under NFSv4, there is no need for any of rpc.mountd, rpc.lockd or rpc.statd (as i read it, all this functionality has been moved into the kernel with NFSv4). so i can see how to disable support for all earlier versions of nfs in /etc/sysconfig/nfs: # # Define which protocol versions mountd # will advertise. The values are no or yes # with yes being the default #MOUNTD_NFS_V1=no #MOUNTD_NFS_V2=no #MOUNTD_NFS_V3=no ... so i uncomment all those lines to (allegedly) disable all earlier version support and: # service nfs restart Shutting down NFS mountd: [ OK ] Shutting down NFS daemon: [ OK ] Shutting down NFS quotas: [ OK ] Shutting down NFS services:[ OK ] Starting NFS services: [ OK ] Starting NFS quotas: [ OK ] Starting NFS daemon: [ OK ] Starting NFS mountd: Usage: rpc.mountd [-F|--foreground] [-h|--help] [-v|--version] [-d kind|--debug kind] [-o num|--descriptors num] [-f exports-file|--exports-file=file] [-p|--port port] [-V version|--nfs-version version] [-N version|--no-nfs-version version] [-n|--no-tcp] [-H ha-callout-prog] [-s|--state-directory-path path] [-g|--manage-gids] [-t num|--num-threads=num] [FAILED] # ok, what just happened there? am i not allowed to do what i just tried? and if i explicitly try to run *only* NFSv4, why is rpc.mountd even being invoked? is there something else i need to be doing here? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: any fundamental difference between fedora and suse NFSv4?
On Sun, 3 Jan 2010, Ed Greshko wrote: Robert P. J. Day wrote: i'm currently reviewing a doc on suse linux enterprise 11, the section on NFS, but i don't have a SLES 11 machine in front of me. could anyone who uses both SLES 11 and fedora 12 comment on how indistinguishable the NFS setups are across those two distros? so far, i haven't seen a lot that's massively incompatible, and i wouldn't expect to. obviously, the fundamental files are going to be the same. I haven't use suse in quite some time. Are you asking about SLES (which is the equivalent of RHEL) or openSUSE which is more akin to Fedora, AFAIK? technically, SLES 11, but i have to imagine that there's not going to be a lot of difference between the two in terms of NFS. Should I get the chance to experiment with NFSv4 on it I will. Probably try to export and mount file systems from/to a F12 system. Sounds like a nice challenge. i'm currently digging through the docs and scripts, and my current challenge is to see what it takes to set up simple NFS on f12 using *only* nfsv4 with no earlier version compatibility. so far, still a bug or two in the system. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: any fundamental difference between fedora and suse NFSv4?
On Sun, 3 Jan 2010, Ed Greshko wrote:
Robert P. J. Day wrote:
i'm currently reviewing a doc on suse linux enterprise 11, the
section on NFS, but i don't have a SLES 11 machine in front of me.
could anyone who uses both SLES 11 and fedora 12 comment on how
indistinguishable the NFS setups are across those two distros?
so far, i haven't seen a lot that's massively incompatible, and
i wouldn't expect to. obviously, the fundamental files are going
to be the same.
... snip ...
Should I get the chance to experiment with NFSv4 on it I will.
Probably try to export and mount file systems from/to a F12 system.
Sounds like a nice challenge.
ok, a few questions/observations regarding nfsv4, if i might. as i
mentioned in an earlier post, i'm working off of this:
http://www.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/5.4/html/Deployment_Guide/ch-nfs.html
and seeing what it would take to set up a simple NFS configuration on
fedora 12 that uses *nothing* but nfsv4. so feel free to comment on
the following suppositions:
* NFSv4 appears to be a stable technology that should work. (there is
an NFS 4.1 that is labelled as experimental, but am i correct in
assuming that NFSv4 is supposed to work properly?)
* i did notice that mounting via NFSv4 requires the -t nfs4 mount
option, not just -t nfs. is that actually a *requirement*? is the
mount command not smart enough to figure that out?
* as i read it, nfsv4 no longer requires portmapper, rpc.mountd,
rpc.lockd or rpc.statd, which inspires the question -- if you're
running *exclusively* NFSv4, is there any reason to even *start* those
last three daemons?
i ask since i'm looking at the startup script /etc/init.d/nfs, and
the start argument is processed thusly:
# See how we were called.
case $1 in
start)
# Check that networking is up.
[ ${NETWORKING} != yes ] exit 6
[ -x /usr/sbin/rpc.nfsd ] || exit 5
[ -x /usr/sbin/rpc.mountd ] || exit 5
[ -x /usr/sbin/exportfs ] || exit 5
... snip ...
the problem, of course, is that if you're running exclusively NFSv4,
what's the point of checking for the existence of /usr/sbin/rpc.mountd
if you have no need to run it? and that same startup sequence
invokes rpc.mountd later, again unnecessarily.
and as i mentioned in an earlier
posting, if i make this change to /etc/sysconfig/nfs:
MOUNTD_NFS_V1=no
MOUNTD_NFS_V2=no
MOUNTD_NFS_V3=no
then when i run service nfs restart, i get:
# service nfs restart
Shutting down NFS mountd: [ OK ]
Shutting down NFS daemon: [ OK ]
Shutting down NFS quotas: [ OK ]
Shutting down NFS services:[ OK ]
Starting NFS services: [ OK ]
Starting NFS quotas: [ OK ]
Starting NFS daemon: [ OK ]
Starting NFS mountd: Usage: rpc.mountd [-F|--foreground] [-h|--help]
[-v|--version] [-d kind|--debug kind]
[-o num|--descriptors num] [-f exports-file|--exports-file=file]
[-p|--port port] [-V version|--nfs-version version]
[-N version|--no-nfs-version version] [-n|--no-tcp]
[-H ha-callout-prog] [-s|--state-directory-path path]
[-g|--manage-gids] [-t num|--num-threads=num]
[FAILED]
#
debugging the call to start rpc.mountd shows it being invoked with
the following args:
--no-nfs-version 1 --no-nfs-version 2 --no-nfs-version 3
which i would have *thought* is what i wanted to see. apparently not.
in conclusion, what capability *should* i expect from NFSv4 on
fedora 12? can't i even *start* it without supporting earlier
versions?
rday
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Re: Also having NFSv4 problems
On Sun, 3 Jan 2010, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: ... snip ... The problem appears to be on the F12 client side: # service nfs restart Shutting down NFS mountd: [FAILED] Shutting down NFS daemon: [ OK ] Shutting down NFS quotas: [ OK ] Shutting down NFS services: [FAILED] Starting NFS services: [ OK ] Starting NFS quotas: [ OK ] Starting NFS daemon: [ OK ] Starting NFS mountd: Usage: rpc.mountd [-F|--foreground] [-h|--help] [-v|--version] [ -d kind|--debug kind] [-o num|--descriptors num] [-f exports-file|--exports-file=file] [-p|--port port] [-V version|--nfs-version version] [-N version|--no-nfs-version version] [-n|--no-tcp] [-H ha-callout-prog] [-s|--state-directory-path path] [-g|--manage-gids] [-t num|--num-threads=num] [FAILED] About four years ago I was able to set up a similar arrangement using nfs3 on RHEL4 and F6, but this is my first attempt with nfs4. I seem to be having the same problem Robert P.J. Day is having with rpc.mountd. a private emailer tells me that what's causing the problem above is deselecting the NFSv1 line from /etc/sysconfig/nfs. apparently, that causes the problem so you should try this: #MOUNTD_NFS_V1=no MOUNTD_NFS_V2=no MOUNTD_NFS_V3=no weirdly, that fixes that last problem. why should that be? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Also having NFSv4 problems
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: On Sun, 2010-01-03 at 22:05 -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: On Sun, 3 Jan 2010, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: ... snip ... The problem appears to be on the F12 client side: # service nfs restart Shutting down NFS mountd: [FAILED] Shutting down NFS daemon: [ OK ] Shutting down NFS quotas: [ OK ] Shutting down NFS services:[FAILED] Starting NFS services: [ OK ] Starting NFS quotas: [ OK ] Starting NFS daemon: [ OK ] Starting NFS mountd: Usage: rpc.mountd [-F|--foreground] [-h|--help] [-v|--version] [ -d kind|--debug kind] [-o num|--descriptors num] [-f exports-file|--exports-file=file] [-p|--port port] [-V version|--nfs-version version] [-N version|--no-nfs-version version] [-n|--no-tcp] [-H ha-callout-prog] [-s|--state-directory-path path] [-g|--manage-gids] [-t num|--num-threads=num] [FAILED] About four years ago I was able to set up a similar arrangement using nfs3 on RHEL4 and F6, but this is my first attempt with nfs4. I seem to be having the same problem Robert P.J. Day is having with rpc.mountd. a private emailer tells me that what's causing the problem above is deselecting the NFSv1 line from /etc/sysconfig/nfs. apparently, that causes the problem so you should try this: #MOUNTD_NFS_V1=no MOUNTD_NFS_V2=no MOUNTD_NFS_V3=no weirdly, that fixes that last problem. why should that be? Robert, Weird is right. It does fix the nfs restart problem, but not the manual nfs mount problem. There's something else still lurking. Thanks. i'll start with submitting the above rpc.mountd error(?) to bugzilla. it seems pretty clear that *needing* NFSv1 support simply to *start* rpc.mountd makes no sense. but there's still another issue related to this. as i read it, NFSv4 now incorporates the mount operation in the protocol, and i read that as saying that you don't even *need* a running rpc.mountd anymore if you restrict yourself to NFSv4. however, the earlier emailer wrote the following: My understanding is that mountd, statd etc are still needed but they do not need to be exposed to the outside world. That is, you can limit all of them in /etc/hosts.allow to 127.0.0.1 and only open port 2049 on the firewall. so does anyone know for sure? in any event, i'll bugzilla that earlier error. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Also having NFSv4 problems
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=552144 feel free to add any further observations to that BZ. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Also having NFSv4 problems
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, Ed Greshko wrote: http://www.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/5.4/html/Deployment_Guide/ch-nfs.html States |rpc.mountd| — This process receives mount requests from NFS clients and verifies the requested file system is currently exported. This process is started automatically by the |nfs| service and does not require user configuration. This is not used with NFSv4. and if that's truly the case, then the NFS start script /etc/init.d/nfs should not try to invoke rpc.mountd (or rpc.statd for that matter) when it's obvious that you're trying to run exclusively with NFSv4, no? if that's the case, i can bugzilla that as well but i want to make sure that it's really an error first. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Also having NFSv4 problems
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, Ed Greshko wrote: Robert P. J. Day wrote: On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, Ed Greshko wrote: http://www.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/5.4/html/Deployment_Guide/ch-nfs.html States |rpc.mountd| — This process receives mount requests from NFS clients and verifies the requested file system is currently exported. This process is started automatically by the |nfs| service and does not require user configuration. This is not used with NFSv4. and if that's truly the case, then the NFS start script /etc/init.d/nfs should not try to invoke rpc.mountd (or rpc.statd for that matter) when it's obvious that you're trying to run exclusively with NFSv4, no? if that's the case, i can bugzilla that as well but i want to make sure that it's really an error first. I suppose a case could be made for that either way. Seems rather minor to me. I've not yet had time to look a this stuff. However, is there any downside from starting rpc.mountd even if it isn't going to be used? i don't know. and it's not only rpc.mountd. as i read it, rpc.statd *also* becomes superfluous. and if there's no reason to run a daemon, i see no point in running it. why waste the cycles? also, the fact that you're (unnecessarily) running rpc.mountd and rpc.statd might, in some weird way, support NFSv3 operations. if you're not running those, it's pretty much a *guarantee* that you're supporting only NFSv4, no? think of it as a sanity check. (and remember my earlier bit where someone claimed that you *do* need to be running them, they just don't need to be available to the outside world so you don't need to allow them through the firewall.) in any event, i just want to clarify the situation since i've seen two apparently differing explanations. rday p.s. just FYI, i didn't plan on this discussion getting quite so animated. :-) i figured getting a simple NFSv4 example running on f12 would be a piece of cake. apparently, not quite. -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
whence RPCBIND_ARGS?
i'm tracing the execution of rpcbind on my f12 system, and in the common code, i read: prog=rpcbind [ -f /etc/sysconfig/$prog ] . /etc/sysconfig/$prog while in the start() function, there is: daemon $prog $RPCBIND_ARGS $1 i'm curious about this since: 1) there's no apparent documentation for setting/using $RPCBIND_ARGS 2) there's no /etc/sysconfig/rpcbind file for initial config 3) there's no mention of RPCBIND_ARGS in the rpcbind man page admittedly, that doesn't make any of this *wrong*, it just seems that $RPCBIND_ARGS is kind of hanging out there, without anyone making an effort to explain what might be done with it or why it would be useful. thoughts? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
how to increase the number of cirtual desktops?
i'm embarrassed to ask this, but how does one increase the number of virtual desktops in f12? used to be there were 4, but with f12, after a fresh install, there's only 2 and i've poked around under System-Prefs and don't see a setting for that. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: how to increase the number of cirtual desktops?
On Sun, 27 Dec 2009, Ed Greshko wrote: Robert P. J. Day wrote: i'm embarrassed to ask this, but how does one increase the number of virtual desktops in f12? used to be there were 4, but with f12, after a fresh install, there's only 2 and i've poked around under System-Prefs and don't see a setting for that. You should be quite embarrassed :-) Right click over the workspaces in the lower right corner and pick Preferences. wow ... that just blew away all of my desktops and quit unexpectedly. is there a Plan B? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: how to increase the number of cirtual desktops?
On Sun, 27 Dec 2009, Ed Greshko wrote: Robert P. J. Day wrote: On Sun, 27 Dec 2009, Ed Greshko wrote: Robert P. J. Day wrote: i'm embarrassed to ask this, but how does one increase the number of virtual desktops in f12? used to be there were 4, but with f12, after a fresh install, there's only 2 and i've poked around under System-Prefs and don't see a setting for that. You should be quite embarrassed :-) Right click over the workspaces in the lower right corner and pick Preferences. wow ... that just blew away all of my desktops and quit unexpectedly. is there a Plan B? Strange. Works fine here Before or after it brought up the Preferences dialog box? Log out and log in and try again? Or, I could find the file that gets altered it's ok. after trying that blew away a number of my icons on the panel, i manually put them back and was allowed to increase my number of virtual desktops. grr. but we're good now. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
installing fedora packages on RHEL -- how bad the craziness?
actually, this is technically about installing fedora packages on centos 5.4 but, obviously, the same issues apply. and i asked about this on the centos list but i'd like the fedora perspective as well. the short version -- someone running centos 5.4 needs a fairly new version of poppler-utils for pdftohtml. the current version of that package is 0.5.4, and there is (AFAICT) no updated version. that package is currently up at version 0.12: http://poppler.freedesktop.org/. for this person's software to work, his centos box *must* have a newer version of poppler-utils than what is currently available for centos 5.4. apparently, the problem was solved by (yeesh) installing a newer version package in the form of a fedora rpm. how the heck does *that* work? wouldn't that make a mess of the package history? i imagine i would need, what, --nodeps and --ignorearch? but is there a better way to do this? i simply don't see a newer centos/rhel package, which would be the obvious solution. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
[OT] new open source digital asset management software
DISCLAIMER: a good friend of mine works for the company, but i have absolutely no financial interest of any kind. http://www.nuxeo.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/QuickStart_DAM i am about to download it and see how well it works on f12. it's pre-release so the possibility of breakage is very real. like fedora people need that kind of caution. :-) rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
fedora-related pdftohtml utility?
as a short followup to my last post, apparently, a particular software package advertises that it needs PDFtoHTML. there's no such fedora package, but there *is* poppler-utils: $ rpm -ql poppler-utils /usr/bin/pdffonts /usr/bin/pdfimages /usr/bin/pdfinfo /usr/bin/pdftohtml /usr/bin/pdftoppm /usr/bin/pdftops /usr/bin/pdftotext ... snip ... does anyone know offhand whether having poppler-utils installed will satisfy the alleged PDFtoHTML requirement? or whether i should get PDFtoHTML from sourceforge? (i can't download the software itself just yet in order to test. if i could, i'd just check if it was trying to execute something called pdftohtml.) rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
is there any inconvenience in defining new yum groups?
is there a way to request new yum groups related to a particular issue? i'm thinking of embedded linux developers, who might want to install the Embedded Linux group, which would contain packages like squashfs-tools, mtd-tools, mtd-tools-ubi and so on. it wouldn't be hard to put together a list of the standard embedded-related packages one would want. is there a protocol for requesting a new group, or is it not worth the trouble? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: anyone noticed this odd firefox glitch?
On Sun, 29 Nov 2009, Tom Horsley wrote: After some recent updates (which included a new ati driver) firefox exhibits this weird behavior on my system. When I start firefox, the first time it gets the focus, it flickers once like it just decided it needed to redraw the whole screen. (I have focus set to follow the mouse). After it does it that once, it is OK, I can move focus back and forth and no flickering happens till I exit firefox and restart it, then I get the initial flicker again. i've seen some trivial but fairly new oddities as well. as i mentioned before, the scroll bar doesn't seem to act consistently. once upon a time, if i clicked way down the scrollbar to page down, firefox would, well, page down. once. now, fairly regularly, it will blow through a massive amount of scrolling down. immediately thereafter, though, it will go back to what i recall as normal behaviour. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: anyone noticed this odd firefox glitch?
On Mon, 30 Nov 2009, Roberto Ragusa wrote: Robert P. J. Day wrote: i've seen some trivial but fairly new oddities as well. as i mentioned before, the scroll bar doesn't seem to act consistently. once upon a time, if i clicked way down the scrollbar to page down, firefox would, well, page down. once. now, fairly regularly, it will blow through a massive amount of scrolling down. immediately thereafter, though, it will go back to what i recall as normal behaviour. Are you on x86_64? I've heard your issue mentioned somewhere as a 64 bit problem. yup, x86_64 here. is there a BZ on this? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: HDMI-connected flat panel keeps blanking
On Sat, 28 Nov 2009, Tom Horsley wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:33:40 -0500 (EST) Robert P. J. Day wrote: the setup seems correct, except for the persistent blanking. thoughts? I went through that for years thinking it was an ATI driver problem, but finally found it was the display itself (in my case a Westinghouse Digital HDTV monitor). I found if I used a different input on the monitor, the blanking went away. ok, i guess i can try another display. curiously, i've connected the same display to the output of my beagleboard, and the splash screen of the u-boot bootloader shows up crisp and solid. and stays there. rday p.s. the beagle board (beagleboard.org) has an HDMI-format output *connector*, but outputs only DVI-D. i was simply pointing out that *that* signal has no trouble on that display. -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Why is there no 32 bit version of firefox available for 64bit F12?
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009, Gianluca Sforna wrote: On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 6:44 AM, Paolo Galtieri pgalti...@gmail.com wrote: I'm having strange behaviour with 64bit firefox and the 64bit beta version of Adobe flash. So I want to try the 32bit version of firefox with the 32bit flash from Adobe, but there in 32 bit version of firefox available through the 64bit repositories. If I try the 32bit version of firefox from firefox.com it crashes all the time running the 32bit Adobe flash. I am not sure this is applicable to all packages without side effects, but usually: yum install package.i686 brings in the 32bit package and all its dependencies. i would try *really* hard to debug the 64-bit version before dumping the inevitable truckload of 32-bit packages on your 64-bit system. currently, i have no i686 packages on my system and firefox seems to be working well (except for this *really* annoying scroll issue where a single scrollbar click will *zoom* madly down the page way more than i want. g ...) rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
HDMI-connected flat panel keeps blanking
i just HDMI-connected a gateway flat panel display to my f12 laptop, and configured the display to span. in short order, i got the standard f12 desktop background to display on the flat panel and, yes, i can move the cursor off the right-hand side of my laptop and watch it magically appear on the left-hand side of the flat panel. the problem is, the flat panel keeps blanking -- literally every several seconds -- and then comes back. does this output from xrandr look reasonable? # xrandr Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 2560 x 800, maximum 8192 x 8192 VGA-0 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) LVDS connected 1280x800+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 0mm x 0mm 1280x800 60.0*+ 1280x720 59.9 1152x768 59.8 1024x768 60.0 59.9 800x60060.3 59.9 56.2 848x48059.7 720x48059.7 640x48059.9 59.4 HDMI-0 connected 1280x800+1280+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 442mm x 249mm 1600x900 59.9 + 1280x800 59.8* 1152x864 75.0 1280x720 60.0 1024x768 75.1 70.1 60.0 832x62474.6 800x60072.2 75.0 60.3 56.2 640x48072.8 75.0 66.7 60.0 720x40070.1 the setup seems correct, except for the persistent blanking. thoughts? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: pdf editor to simply insert notes?
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009, Bruce Byfield wrote: Why not use the Sun PDF Import Extension to OpenOffice.org? The extension opens the PDF as a Draw file, and you can add notes or anything else you want before creating a new PDF. curiously, i found that sun pdf extension and popped into OO to add it, but noticed there was already a (generic) PDF extension there. is there a significant difference? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Prius Gas Mileage
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Jonathan Ryshpan writes: The gas mileage on my Prius has slowly declined from about 40 mpg when I bought it in 2005 (2d hand, it's a 2004 model year) to about 35 mpg today. Has anyone else noticed this? Any ideas why? It could, of course, be just that I'm paying less attention to driving for good gas mileage, or have let the pressure in the tires go down, but I don't think so. Try upgrading your Prius' kernel to the latest version in updates. # yum update prius_mileage rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
pdf editor to simply insert notes?
a colleague has a sizable book whose source is in docbook format, and i want to mark it up with notes all over the place. with an odt or doc file, i would of course just open it in oowriter and insert notes at will. with docbook, though, he's going to send me the PDF format of the book, but i still don't know of a tool that will let me insert notes. i have no need for general editing, just notes. thoughts? rday Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can anyone with a 64bit Fedora11 check something for me.
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009, Reg Clemens wrote: Im confused here. Im getting an error message from Anacron, that states: /usr/bin/ldd: line 163: /lib/ld-linux.so.2: cannot execute binary file and this is true, the file mentioned is symbolic link to /lib/ld-2.10.1.so which is 32bit library. The 64bit symbolic link/library are in /lib64. So my question. Can you check your machine, and see if you have these two files in lib, viz /lib/ld-2.10.1.so /lib/ld-linux.so.2 actually any ld-* files are of interest. I SUSPECT that they should not be there, and I have no idea how they got there, but I would like to check another Fedora11/64bit instalation. i have no such files. i'm working with a fresh 64-bit f12 install that has not yet been polluted with any 32-bit packages. $ ls /lib/ld* ls: cannot access /lib/ld*: No such file or directory $ ls /lib64/ld* /lib64/ld-2.11.so /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 $ rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: pdf editor to simply insert notes?
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009, Trever L. Adams wrote: Robert P. J. Day wrote: a colleague has a sizable book whose source is in docbook format, and i want to mark it up with notes all over the place. with an odt or doc file, i would of course just open it in oowriter and insert notes at will. with docbook, though, he's going to send me the PDF format of the book, but i still don't know of a tool that will let me insert notes. i have no need for general editing, just notes. thoughts? rday You may want to look at xournal as well. At least I believe that is the name. It will be close if it isn't. One of the things it specifically does is annotate pdf files. just downloaded it, it might be adequate for what i'm after, but i'm still hoping for true insert note functionality. i suspect i'm not going to find that. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
rationale for installing .jar files under /usr/share/doc?
i just installed the xerces-j2 package on f12, and was a bit taken aback to see that the .jar files that come with were installed along with other xerces content under /usr/share/doc/xerces-j2-2.7.1. that just seems odd -- to have them installed in a documentation directory. i checked to see if that's a new standard of some kind but, apparently, it's only xerces that does that: $ cd /usr/share/doc $ find . -name *.jar ./xerces-j2-2.7.1/build/xercesImpl.jar ./xerces-j2-2.7.1/build/xercesSamples.jar ./xerces-j2-2.7.1/build/xml-commons-resolver.jar ./xerces-j2-2.7.1/build/xml-commons-apis.jar ./xerces-j2-2.7.1/tools/bin/xjavac.jar ./xerces-j2-2.7.1/tools/xalan.jar ./xerces-j2-2.7.1/tools/xml-commons-resolver.jar ./xerces-j2-2.7.1/tools/xml-commons-apis.jar $ is there a rationale for that? should we be expecting more packages to be doing that? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: flash player in F11
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009, Amadeus W.M. wrote: ... but that seems to point to a 32-bit flash version. Where can I find an up- to-date download page for the 64-bit flash plugin? http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/64bit.html rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
the minimal toolset for XML/docbook processing?
these days, what's the most up-to-date set of packages that supports rendering docbook into as many formats as possible -- html, xhtml, pdf, ps, dvi, txt, and so on. specifically, i have no interest in packages related to SGML or DSSSL or, if possible, jade. if one could guarantee that one had only current docbook5 input, what's a good collection of packages for this? trivially, i'm looking at: * docbook-dtds * docbook5-schemas * docbook5-style-xsl * libxslt, libxml2 (for xsltproc) * xmlto * fop (for PDF generation) beyond that, what else should be part of the collection? i know of other packages like docbook-utils and docbook-utils-pdf, but as i read it, those involve pulling in jade, and it's not clear that that's necessary once you have all of the above. or is it? is there a wiki page on all this somewhere, or am i going to have to write one? :-) rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
could the missing codec redirection be more informative?
on a fresh (and barely configured) f12 system, i tried to view my first online .wmv file and was redirected here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageKit_Items_Not_Found#Missing_Codec which is moderately informative in terms of telling me what the problem is, but utterly useless in terms of telling me how to fix it. yes, i realize the issues surrounding codecs, but would it be unduly difficult to add to that section some advice on where to *find* such codecs? you know, point readers at rpmfusion or some such? is that not a legally acceptable thing to do? because that's *exactly* the sort of thing that will drive newcomers to fedora totally nuts. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: could the missing codec redirection be more informative?
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009, Ed Greshko wrote: Robert P. J. Day wrote: on a fresh (and barely configured) f12 system, i tried to view my first online .wmv file and was redirected here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageKit_Items_Not_Found#Missing_Codec which is moderately informative in terms of telling me what the problem is, but utterly useless in terms of telling me how to fix it. yes, i realize the issues surrounding codecs, but would it be unduly difficult to add to that section some advice on where to *find* such codecs? you know, point readers at rpmfusion or some such? is that not a legally acceptable thing to do? because that's *exactly* the sort of thing that will drive newcomers to fedora totally nuts. AFAIK, it is not legally acceptable to explicitly tell someone how to break the law. I hope nobody starts to argue about how silly they think these laws are. um ... ok. in that case, why is fedoraproject.org explicitly pointing people at rpmfusion.org here? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OtherRepositories rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: could the missing codec redirection be more informative?
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009, Ed Greshko wrote: Robert P. J. Day wrote: On Mon, 23 Nov 2009, Ed Greshko wrote: Robert P. J. Day wrote: on a fresh (and barely configured) f12 system, i tried to view my first online .wmv file and was redirected here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageKit_Items_Not_Found#Missing_Codec which is moderately informative in terms of telling me what the problem is, but utterly useless in terms of telling me how to fix it. yes, i realize the issues surrounding codecs, but would it be unduly difficult to add to that section some advice on where to *find* such codecs? you know, point readers at rpmfusion or some such? is that not a legally acceptable thing to do? because that's *exactly* the sort of thing that will drive newcomers to fedora totally nuts. AFAIK, it is not legally acceptable to explicitly tell someone how to break the law. I hope nobody starts to argue about how silly they think these laws are. um ... ok. in that case, why is fedoraproject.org explicitly pointing people at rpmfusion.org here? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OtherRepositories But, they are not explicitly solving a given problem for you. Subtle difference. i wasn't suggesting that the diagnostic solve the problem. but would it be unacceptable for it to give *general* advice about possibly adding extra repositories to your system, and by the way, here's a page with a list of possible repos, do with them what you will. is that unreasonable? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: could the missing codec redirection be more informative?
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009, Ed Greshko wrote: Robert P. J. Day wrote: On Mon, 23 Nov 2009, Ed Greshko wrote: Robert P. J. Day wrote: i wasn't suggesting that the diagnostic solve the problem. but would it be unacceptable for it to give *general* advice about possibly adding extra repositories to your system, and by the way, here's a page with a list of possible repos, do with them what you will. is that unreasonable? Yes, it is likely unreasonable. Again, the advice is not general it is being given in response to a specific issue. If I talk about ways to defeating different alarm systems on a car without having been prompted for advice I am just talking about it. But, if someone saysI tried breaking into a Lexus but couldn't and I respond with even general advice it is pretty clear what my intentions are. I'm intending to instruct you how to break into a Lexus. It is the intent that matters. oh, balls. a page from fedoraproject.org: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OtherRepositories *explicitly* refers readers to rpmfusion.org, for the following reason: There are a number of third-party software repositories for Fedora that provide software packages that Fedora excludes for various reasons. These software repositories are not officially affiliated or endorsed by the Fedora Project. Use them at your own discretion. are you seriously suggesting that it would now be legally problematic to go here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageKit_Items_Not_Found#Missing_Codec and add a line reading nothing more than: you might want to read this page over here (linking to that first page). that strikes me as hair-splitting of the finest kind, and i can't believe that a half-competent lawyer couldn't figure out a way to do that. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
BZ or other page to request package update?
where's the proper place to request a package version update? as in, a new source version just came out, could fedora eventually look at it and rpm package it for update. or is that done as a regular BZ request for that package? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
how to start with simple SDL programming?
having never done any SDL programming before (so be gentle), what would i need to do to get started in terms of loading framebuffer support for my first program? currently, on this laptop, i have perfectly serviceable video with: $ lsmod | grep radeon radeon509536 2 ttm42256 1 radeon drm_kms_helper 25456 1 radeon drm 172288 5 radeon,ttm,drm_kms_helper radeonfb 75128 0 fb_ddc 2464 1 radeonfb i2c_algo_bit6068 2 radeon,radeonfb i2c_core 28608 8 radeon,drm,radeonfb,fb_ddc,i2c_algo_bit,i2c_dev,videodev,i2c_piix4 $ i also have a radeonfb loadable module which i'm assuming i'm going to need. or am i? there's certainly enough simple SDL examples out there to get started, i just want to make sure i have the underlying functionality in place for my first sample program to run. thoughts? or am i going about this the wrong way? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 12
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009, Jatin K wrote: not able to download ISO from given link :-( can everyone please take some drugs and chill out? while you *might* find an accommodating mirror right now, it won't be official, as you can read here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/12/Schedule Time of Release Historically Test and General Availability releases happen at 10:00am Eastern US Time, which is either 1500UTC or 1400UTC depending on daylight savings in the United States. so how about we not spend the next several hours playing where's waldo? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
is there a fairly new linux framebuffer howto?
a friend want to know about framebuffers, so i figured i'd do that google thing and came up with this: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO.html that's pretty dated -- is there something newer on the topic? the contents of the kernel documentation under Documentation/fb looks pretty ancient as well, at least some of it. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
how many 32-bit packages does sun's java sdk need?
apparently, for something i'm trying to build, i really do need sun's java rather than openjdk, so i grabbed the .bin file from sun and executed it only to have it complain about not finding libgcc_s.so. oh, crap ... the executable is 32-bit and i'm running on x86_64. so install the i686 version, only to have it fail on yet another missing shared lib: libXext.so.6. yes, i could install the 32-bit version of that as well but how much further is this going to go? is there a reason there's no 64-bit version of that SDK? i *really* hate polluting my system with 32-bit packages. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: how many 32-bit packages does sun's java sdk need?
On Sun, 15 Nov 2009, Steve Forsythe wrote: Perhaps I'm misunderstanding exactly what you're trying to do - there's definitely 64-bit version of Sun's SDK available. If you go to their download page at http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/widget/jdk6.jsp there's a pulldown that lists 9 different platforms including Linux x64. ~ I've been using it for several years now. yes, i see it. and i'm puzzled that the first download page i found: http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index.jsp doesn't seem to provide an option for a 64-bit SDK, even if you follow links. the page i ended up at simply gave me the option of a generic linux download, not architecture-specific. thanks. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
nuxeo ECM, and where is Context.compressReader() in openJDK?
let me see how succinct i can make this. i'm writing a doc on how
to install and build the open source nuxeo ECM software on fedora
using openJDK-1.6.0:
http://www.crashcourse.ca/wiki/index.php/Nuxeo_on_Fedora
nothing deep about simply downloading and installing the zip file,
that works fine.
however, trying to build the mercurial checkout fails, as you can
read further down that page. as i read it (and i could be wrong), the
failure is the result of trying to call the java method
Context.compressReader(), which i don't see exists anymore -- it's
entirely missing from this page:
http://www.mozilla.org/rhino/apidocs/org/mozilla/javascript/Context.html
and that certainly seems to be the problem based on the build error
message, no?
someone from nuxeo just pointed out that they don't guarantee a
successful build under openJDK, only under *sun's* java. so does that
mean sun's java *would* have that class method? or am i
misinterpreting this? just for the entertainment value, it would be
nice to finish that build with openJDK. does anyone here know what
the story is for Context.compressReader()? am i reading correctly
that it simply doesn't exist in openJDK?
just for fun, i attached the offending .java file, it's only 69
lines long so java gurus can see clearly what's being imported.
thoughts?
rday
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/*
* (C) Copyright 2006-2007 Nuxeo SAS http://nuxeo.com and others
*
* All rights reserved. This program and the accompanying materials
* are made available under the terms of the Eclipse Public License v1.0
* which accompanies this distribution, and is available at
* http://www.eclipse.org/legal/epl-v10.html
*
* Contributors:
* Jean-Marc Orliaguet, Chalmers
*
* $Id$
*/
package org.nuxeo.theme.html;
import org.apache.commons.logging.Log;
import org.apache.commons.logging.LogFactory;
import org.mozilla.javascript.Context;
import org.mozilla.javascript.ContextAction;
import org.mozilla.javascript.Script;
import org.mozilla.javascript.tools.ToolErrorReporter;
import org.mozilla.javascript.tools.shell.Global;
import org.mozilla.javascript.tools.shell.Main;
public final class JSUtils {
static final Log log = LogFactory.getLog(JSUtils.class);
private static final Global global = Main.getGlobal();
static {
ToolErrorReporter errorReporter = new ToolErrorReporter(false,
global.getErr());
Main.shellContextFactory.setErrorReporter(errorReporter);
global.init(Main.shellContextFactory);
}
public static String compressSource(final String source) {
IProxy iproxy = new IProxy(source);
return (String) Main.shellContextFactory.call(iproxy);
}
private static class IProxy implements ContextAction {
private final String source;
IProxy(String source) {
this.source = source;
}
public Object run(final Context cx) {
try {
final Script script = Main.loadScriptFromSource(cx, source,
compress, 1, null);
return cx.compressReader(global, script, source, compress, 1,
null);
} catch (IllegalArgumentException e) {
// Can happen on very large files ( 500K) with JDK 5
log.error(Could not compress javascript source.);
return source;
} catch (NoSuchMethodError e) {
// custom_rhino.jar is not installed.
log.info(Could not compress javascript source.
custom_rhino.jar is probably not installed.);
return source;
}
}
}
}
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Re: nuxeo ECM, and where is Context.compressReader() in openJDK?
On Fri, 13 Nov 2009, Andrew Haley wrote: I think it was a nonstandard extension to Rhino to read compressed javascript. so sun's java is using that non-standard extension while openjdk isn't? so what's the story in terms of adherence to formal java standards? i'm not a java guru, but this tells me that openjdk adheres to the standard (whatever that is) more strictly than sun. is that the conclusion i should be drawing here? someone from nuxeo just pointed out that they don't guarantee a successful build under openJDK, only under *sun's* java. so does that mean sun's java *would* have that class method? or am i misinterpreting this? just for the entertainment value, it would be nice to finish that build with openJDK. does anyone here know what the story is for Context.compressReader()? am i reading correctly that it simply doesn't exist in openJDK? Yes. All you need to do is replace the call to Context.compressReader() with a dynamic lookup. There's an example at http://fisheye5.cenqua.com/browse/dwr/java/org/directwebremoting/impl/ShrinkSafeCompressor.java?r1=1.1r2=1.2u=-1ignore=k=o which shows exactly how to use Context.class.getMethod(compressReader, and compressReaderMethod.invoke yes, i'd already found that page and realized what was happening there. all i really want to confirm is that the code above that's failing is failing because it's badly-behaved and calling a non-standard extension that will cause it to break under openjdk. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: nuxeo ECM, and where is Context.compressReader() in openJDK?
regarding rhino and Context.compressReader(): On Fri, 13 Nov 2009, Andrew Haley wrote: I wouldn't call it badly behaved, but it is depending on a nonstandard extension to Rhino. ok, i think i've finally clued in here. i do, in fact, have the rhino package installed here on f12 beta: $ rpm -qa *rhino* rhino-1.7-0.7.r2.fc12.noarch $ but if i unload the jar file for it and take a look at the Context class, well ... $ javap Context | grep compress $ so i see what you mean now. ergo, if i want that aforementioned code to work, i'll need to grab a 3rd-party package that provides that functionality. thanks. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
what's with that trailing . for the mode from ls -l
i once knew this, really. what's the explanation of that recent introduction of an extra period after the normal mode bits in the output from ls -l? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: what's with that trailing . for the mode from ls -l
On Thu, 12 Nov 2009, Robert P. J. Day wrote: i once knew this, really. what's the explanation of that recent introduction of an extra period after the normal mode bits in the output from ls -l? rday never mind, found it: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_11_FAQ#Why_does_ls_show_a_dot_.28..29_or_a_plus_.28.2B.29_at_the_end_on_the_file_modes_for_some_files.3F rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: what's with that trailing . for the mode from ls -l
On Thu, 12 Nov 2009, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 07:23 -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: i once knew this, really. what's the explanation of that recent introduction of an extra period after the normal mode bits in the output from ls -l? Let me google that for you: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ls+dot+permissions actually, i *had* tried google, combinations of ls and mode and dot and trailing period but nothing came up. weirdly, the one that finally hit it was : http://www.google.ca/#hl=enq=fedora+ls+mode+printedmeta=aq=oq=fedora+ls+mode+printedfp=cf2547b2365d1cd0 no mention of the word period at all. :-) rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: what's with that trailing . for the mode from ls -l
On Thu, 12 Nov 2009, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 07:23 -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: i once knew this, really. what's the explanation of that recent introduction of an extra period after the normal mode bits in the output from ls -l? Let me google that for you: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ls+dot+permissions a followup question would be, is there an ls option that would *prevent* that security setting character from being printed? i ask since i'm working with a software project (openembedded) that specifically takes a mode setting in symbolic mode (from the output of ls -l), and uses sed to translate it to numeric mode, and the script to do that doesn't take into account that potential trailing period and promptly converts, say, -rwxr-xr-x. to the string 755., which then causes the subsequent call to install to crash with a bad numeric mode argument. right now, an easy solution is to just manually strip the trailing period in every such case, but it would be easier to replace the invocation of ls with one that just didn't list that period in the first place. i don't see such an option in man ls or info ls. does one exist? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: what's with that trailing . for the mode from ls -l
On Thu, 12 Nov 2009, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 07:45 -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: On Thu, 12 Nov 2009, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 07:23 -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: i once knew this, really. what's the explanation of that recent introduction of an extra period after the normal mode bits in the output from ls -l? Let me google that for you: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ls+dot+permissions a followup question would be, is there an ls option that would *prevent* that security setting character from being printed? i ask since i'm working with a software project (openembedded) that specifically takes a mode setting in symbolic mode (from the output of ls -l), and uses sed to translate it to numeric mode, and the script to do that doesn't take into account that potential trailing period and promptly converts, say, -rwxr-xr-x. to the string 755., which then causes the subsequent call to install to crash with a bad numeric mode argument. Not that I know of. The What information is listed node of the ls info pages describes the characters used to indicate alternate access methods when listing files with '-l' but does not mention a way to suppress this. that's ok, it was only an issue because of the incredibly hacky way that a numeric mode was being reproduced from an existing file -- by grabbing the current symbolic mode, then running it through sed to get the numeric mode back. yuck. as someone noted here earlier, using stat is way simpler. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
from whence comes java method compressReader?
i'm not sure whether to categorize this as a java problem or jboss
problem or what, but here goes. i'm trying to build a sizable java
application that i downloaded, and i'm getting the build error:
[exec] [INFO] Compilation failure
[exec]
/home/rpjday/nuxeo/hg/nuxeo/nuxeo-theme/nuxeo-theme-html/src/main/java/org/nuxeo/theme/html/JSUtils.java:[55,25]
cannot find symbol
[exec] symbol : method
compressReader(org.mozilla.javascript.tools.shell.Global,org.mozilla.javascript.Script,java.lang.String,java.lang.String,int,nulltype)
[exec] location: class org.mozilla.javascript.Context
so ... the compressReader method can't be found. here's the
relevant bits of the java file:
import org.apache.commons.logging.Log;
import org.apache.commons.logging.LogFactory;
import org.mozilla.javascript.Context;
import org.mozilla.javascript.ContextAction;
...
public Object run(final Context cx) {
try {
final Script script = Main.loadScriptFromSource(cx, source,
compress, 1, null);
here --- return cx.compressReader(global, script, source, compress, 1,
null);
this is being done on f12 beta, with openjdk 1.6.0. i'm about to go
dig into that class file, but if anyone out there is a java expert and
has used that class before, is there anything obviously wrong with
that method invocation? thanks.
rday
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Re: package for basic examination of .dv video files?
On Mon, 2 Nov 2009, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-02 at 19:42 -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: On Mon, 2 Nov 2009, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-02 at 13:49 -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: is there a package of basic .dv video file utilities, particularly for just *examining* the properties of a .dv file? i've yum searched and nothing jumps out at me. i'm just after some command-line utilities that allow me to *inspect* the innards of various video file formats, not necessarily do any transformations. thanks. Try tcprobe (part of the transcode package). I don't know if it handles DV but it's easy to test. yup, that's a start, but i'm not sure how to parse the output: $ tcprobe -i sample.dv [tcprobe] Digital Video (NTSC) [tcprobe] summary for sample.dv, (*) = not default, 0 = not detected import frame size: -g 720x480 [720x576] (*) aspect ratio: 4:3 (*) frame rate: -f 29.970 [25.000] frc=4 (*) audio track: -a 0 [0] -e 32000,16,2 [48000,16,2] -n 0x1 [0x2000] (*) bitrate=1024 kbps $ i'm unfamiliar with the output format of tcprobe, so what's the deal with two different frame sizes being printed? and two different frame rates? how should i interpret that? thanks. Yes, I've often wondered that myself :-) The manual is silent on this subject. However a possible interpretation is that the bracketed numbers indicate defaults. Thus 720x480 is a 4x3 aspect ratio but the actual frame size is different so the video will be distorted. Transcode can crop, pad or rescale it to the correct ratio if required. i suspect this is getting a bit far afield from a fedora topic, so i'm going to look for a more appropriate forum -- a mailing list for people interested in linux video, methinks. but just to close this off, here's the results of my latest experimentation. i have two .dv files i grabbed off the net, but file clearly sees a difference: $ file *.dv pond.dv: data sample.dv: DIF (DV) movie file (NTSC) $ curiously, playdv (from the libdv-tools package) appears to play both just fine, but tcprobe definitely sees a difference: $ tcprobe -i sample.dv [tcprobe] Digital Video (NTSC) [tcprobe] summary for sample.dv, (*) = not default, 0 = not detected import frame size: -g 720x480 [720x576] (*) aspect ratio: 4:3 (*) frame rate: -f 29.970 [25.000] frc=4 (*) audio track: -a 0 [0] -e 32000,16,2 [48000,16,2] -n 0x1 [0x2000] (*) bitrate=1024 kbps $ tcprobe -i pond.dv [probe_ffmpeg.c] critical: unable to open 'pond.dv' (libavformat failure) [tcprobe] critical: failed to probe source [rpj...@localhost dv_files]$ now i'd like to test using the x264 utility to convert to raw h.264 format: $ x264 -o sample.264 sample.dv x264 [error]: Rawyuv input requires a resolution. $ ok, let's throw a resolution at it: $ x264 -o sample.264 sample.dv 720x480 x264 [info]: 720x480 @ 25.00 fps x264 [error]: no ratecontrol method specified x264 [error]: x264_encoder_open failed $ and, at this point, i think it's time to crack open a book on video and get familiar so i know what the diagnostics mean. what i was after was pulling together a collection of command-line utilities for examining and converting video files of various formats, that's all. apparently, i still have some research to do. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: package for basic examination of .dv video files?
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009, Tom Horsley wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 05:51:51 -0500 (EST) Robert P. J. Day wrote: what i was after was pulling together a collection of command-line utilities for examining and converting video files of various formats, that's all. apparently, i still have some research to do. Don't worry, the research will never stop :-), but I find the mplayer/mencoder stuff from rpmfusion the most complete as far as supporting weird video formats. The 32 bit version can even load and run windows codecs, but that rarely seems necessary lately. Of course, mencoder is also the most complete in terms of the number of command line options, you can spend weeks playing with them. There is also a midentify script that just prints info about the file in the same spirit as tcprobe (but totally different format, of course). yeah, midentify was sort of what i was after, thanks. back to research. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
package for basic examination of .dv video files?
is there a package of basic .dv video file utilities, particularly for just *examining* the properties of a .dv file? i've yum searched and nothing jumps out at me. i'm just after some command-line utilities that allow me to *inspect* the innards of various video file formats, not necessarily do any transformations. thanks. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: package for basic examination of .dv video files?
On Mon, 2 Nov 2009, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-02 at 13:49 -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: is there a package of basic .dv video file utilities, particularly for just *examining* the properties of a .dv file? i've yum searched and nothing jumps out at me. i'm just after some command-line utilities that allow me to *inspect* the innards of various video file formats, not necessarily do any transformations. thanks. Try tcprobe (part of the transcode package). I don't know if it handles DV but it's easy to test. yup, that's a start, but i'm not sure how to parse the output: $ tcprobe -i sample.dv [tcprobe] Digital Video (NTSC) [tcprobe] summary for sample.dv, (*) = not default, 0 = not detected import frame size: -g 720x480 [720x576] (*) aspect ratio: 4:3 (*) frame rate: -f 29.970 [25.000] frc=4 (*) audio track: -a 0 [0] -e 32000,16,2 [48000,16,2] -n 0x1 [0x2000] (*) bitrate=1024 kbps $ i'm unfamiliar with the output format of tcprobe, so what's the deal with two different frame sizes being printed? and two different frame rates? how should i interpret that? thanks. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
the ultimate fedora laptop?
(ok, not the ultimate, just really, really good since i don't want to break the bank.) i'm pondering a new laptop to replace my current gateway, and i'm wondering what a shopping list would look like if i went out hunting for a system that would be wildly compatible with the imminent fedora 12. the first part of that shopping list would be fairly no-brainer: * buckets of RAM (4G seems standard these days) * large, 7200 RPM hard drive * for me, as much screen res as is reasonably affordable * HDMI port * bluetooth * SD card slot (pretty much standard these days) beyond that, though, what would match up nicely with fedora? * i'm adamant on getting a 64-bit CPU with HW-assisted virtualization, of course, but are there any compelling differences between intel and AMD CPUs? beyond the standard virt support, is it worth looking at IOMMU support? (intel calls it VT-d, while AMD calls it AMD-Vi. are laptops shipping with that feature these days? is it immediately useful?) * wireless? given the new b43-openfwwf open firmware for wireless, it would seem that at least *some* broadcom wireless chips are now safe. * video chipset? that's the choice that always scares me. starting with f12, what would represent a safe bet? and it would be nice to have a laptop that would comfortably drive an HD TV. anyway, you get the idea. thoughts? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: the ultimate fedora laptop?
On Sun, 1 Nov 2009, Jud Craft wrote: beyond the standard virt support, is it worth looking at IOMMU support? (intel calls it VT-d, while AMD calls it AMD-Vi. are laptops shipping with that feature these days? is it immediately useful?) As for VT-d and AMD-Vi, I believe these -are- the standard hardware virtualization support. They're definitely available in a lot of Intel processors (even some Atom processors), and isn't there some intel page that lists features of all their processor lines? You can check for VT-d in whichever one for the laptop. not as i understand it. AIUI, standard HW virt support is AMD-V for AMD, and VT-x for intel. above and beyond that, you have what *used* to be called IOMMU, which allows guest machines to directly use peripheral devices. am i misunderstanding this? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
[OT] any good online doc for the details of compiling hello, world?
not really a fedora question, but i'm interested in a step-by-step description of what happens when one compiles and runs hello, world. it's sort of a fedora question since i want to relate those steps to the essential fedora packages and where they come into play (gcc, cpp, glibc-devel, libgcc, and so on), related to things like crtbegin, crtend, etc. i'm thinking you get the idea. i wanted to write a short tutorial showing how that process works, adding in usage of nm, readelf and/or objdump to describe what happens at each step. is there anything out there something like that? thanks. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [OT] any good online doc for the details of compiling hello, world?
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 02:36 -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: not really a fedora question, but i'm interested in a step-by-step description of what happens when one compiles and runs hello, world. it's sort of a fedora question since i want to relate those steps to the essential fedora packages and where they come into play (gcc, cpp, glibc-devel, libgcc, and so on), related to things like crtbegin, crtend, etc. i'm thinking you get the idea. Maybe not exactly what you're looking for but I read this book a few years ago: http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/pgubook/ It's now available under the GNU FDL (although I think a print edition is still available). It covers basic programming using assembler and picks apart classic examples like Hello World at the instruction level. that doesn't go as deep as i'd like. actually, after i thought about it a bit longer, i realized that i'd like a document that gets into the details of gcc debugging and optimization in the sense of actually *explaining* it. it's one thing to read the gcc manual to see what options are available, but it's quite another to truly understand what they all represent. does such a document exist? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Ontario Linux Fest this Saturday!
just in case you had no idea: http://onlinux.ca/ rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Flash Problem in Firefox
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Mike Dwiggins wrote: Athmane Madjoudj wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Mike Dwiggins m...@azdwiggins.com wrote: I am trying to run up new install of Fedora 11. I go into Firefox 3.5.3-1.fc11 and attempt to run a YouTube vid. I get a message stating that I either have JavaScript disabled or I do not have the latest version of Flash. I then downloaded and installed via rpm -Uvh flash-plugin-10.0.32.18-release.i386.rpm. I also insured that Java and JavaScript were enabled. Now when I go to YouTube I get the same message I started with. Any ideas? Thanks -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines see if the flash plug-in here: www.adobe.com/shockwave/welcome/ Went there and the Select Operating System option did not even show Linux. Windows and three flavors of Mac only. can you tell where the flash plugin .so file was installed? did you restart firefox? and, in firefox, if you browse to about:plugins, does it list flash? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Flash Problem in Firefox
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Mike Dwiggins wrote: Aioanei Rares wrote: Mike Dwiggins wrote: I am trying to run up new install of Fedora 11. I go into Firefox 3.5.3-1.fc11 and attempt to run a YouTube vid. I get a message stating that I either have JavaScript disabled or I do not have the latest version of Flash. I then downloaded and installed via rpm -Uvh flash-plugin-10.0.32.18-release.i386.rpm. I also insured that Java and JavaScript were enabled. Now when I go to YouTube I get the same message I started with. Any ideas? Thanks Is your system 32- or 64-bit? It is 64 bit, is that possibly the problem. This install is new enough I could start from scratch. i have a 64-bit f11 system running flash nicely: 1) get the tarball from http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html 2) unload it to get at the single libflashplayer.so file contained therein 3) as root, copy that file to /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins 4) kill and restart all firefoxes 5) browse to about:plugins to verify that your browser can see the flash plugin 6) surf over to youtube.com, and rock out to we built this city by starship. no, wait ... that last part can't be right. rday p.s. hang on ... i just checked and here's the contents of my /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins_wrapped directory: ./plugins-wrapped ./plugins-wrapped/nswrapper_64_64.libvlcplugin.so ./plugins-wrapped/nswrapper_64_64.libflashplayer.so ./plugins-wrapped/librhythmbox-itms-detection-plugin.so ./plugins-wrapped/libtotem-gmp-plugin.so ./plugins-wrapped/npwrapper.so ./plugins-wrapped/libjavaplugin.so ./plugins-wrapped/libtotem-mully-plugin.so ./plugins-wrapped/libtotem-narrowspace-plugin.so ./plugins-wrapped/libtotem-cone-plugin.so i'd never noticed that content before. do i really need that nswrapper stuff related to flash? i don't recall installing that, where did it come from? can i safely toss some of that? because my about:plugins sees *that* plugin. that's new to me, but flash still appears to work. weird. -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
why do youtubes play at double speed?
i've been fighting with this for a while -- any attempt to play youtube videos plays them at what appears to be double speed, no audio, and fairly erratically. i have a fully-updated f11 system, and i have no idea what the problem is -- flash had been working fine for the longest time. any thoughts? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How many VNC forks out there?
On Fri, 9 Oct 2009, Fernando Cassia wrote: I remember a decade ago learning about Virtual Network Computer a project back then of a crazy lab financed by Oracle and Olivetti, of all firms. VNC was nice. Then came the forks, the first I remember was TightVNC, backwards compatible but with better compression. Then I heard of UltraVNC, same as VNC but with a win32 driver to speed up video transmission / detection of screen changes. Then... I lost track. Is there an authoritative list somewhere on the net about all the forks of VNC?? I remember a few weeks ago someone on this list mentioned yet another VNC fork, supposedly included in Fedora 11. I'm typing this right now from a Windows system and I'm far from my F11 box. So, what is that VNC named? that would be tigervnc. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NFS causing slooooow boot
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009, Tom Horsley wrote: On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:03:25 -0700 Rick Stevens wrote: If your boot requires an NFS volume to satisfy your /etc/fstab requirements I really, really, wish there was an fstab option I could add to nfs files that said: Hey Mr. Mounter - when you go to mount this, just background it immediately, don't wait. That would make it much more convenient to have entries in fstab for nfs mounts to systems which may or may not actually be up at the time I'm booting. bg If the first NFS mount attempt times out, retry the mount in the background. After a mount operation is backgrounded, all subsequent mounts on the same NFS server will be backgrounded immediately, without first attempting the mount. A missing mount point is treated as a timeout, to allow for nested NFS mounts. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NFS causing slooooow boot
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009, Tom Horsley wrote: On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Robert P. J. Day wrote: bg If the first NFS mount attempt times out The problem is the if the first attempt times out part. If the machine is down, it is gonna timeout, and each filesystem from that machine is gonna take the same amount of time to timeout. I want the option that says just background the dadgum thing to start with! good point. i might start with -F mount option: Fork off a new incarnation of mount for each device. This will do the mounts on different devices or different NFS servers in parallel. This has the advantage that it is faster; also NFS timeouts go in parallel. A disadvantage is that the mounts are done in undefined order. Thus, you cannot use this option if you want to mount both /usr and /usr/spool. at least that will speed things up. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
a fully open source ECM suite? i'm glad you asked.
http://candyandaspirin.blogspot.com/2009/09/next-adventure-in-ecm-begins.html DISCLAIMER: i know the lady in question, but that doesn't stop you from appreciating the idea of total open source. rday p.s. here's my contribution to the cause: http://www.crashcourse.ca/wiki/index.php/Nuxeo probably needs a bit of updating by now. -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: a fully open source ECM suite? i'm glad you asked.
On Mon, 28 Sep 2009, Tom Horsley wrote: On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 08:22:45 -0400 (EDT) Robert P. J. Day wrote: http://candyandaspirin.blogspot.com/2009/09/next-adventure-in-ecm-begins.html DISCLAIMER: i know the lady in question, but that doesn't stop you from appreciating the idea of total open source. We might appreciate it more if we knew what in the blue blazes ECM was :-). heh, indeed. Enterprise Content Management. WCM = Web Content Management DM = Document Management rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
anyone out there still using NIS?
i'm putting together a tutorial on network services, and i'm really uninterested in investing any time in covering NIS. anyone out there still using it? is it worth it? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: anyone out there still using NIS?
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009, John Austin wrote: On Sat, 2009-09-26 at 09:18 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 09/26/2009 08:48 AM, Robert P. J. Day wrote: i'm putting together a tutorial on network services, and i'm really uninterested in investing any time in covering NIS. anyone out there still using it? is it worth it? Yes to both. Ralf Ditto ok, i stand properly chastised. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
difference in bash tab completion between fedora and SLES11
i'm confused -- i just installed suse enterprise system 11 (SLES 11) on a laptop and wanted to check the contents of the initrd file. so, as i've done on fedora many times, i popped into /boot and typed: $ gunzip -c iniTAB to let tab completion fill out the rest of the initrd file (or at least as much as it could until i needed to help out). on fedora 11, this would work just fine -- tab completion blindly sees what matches and goes from there. on SLES 11, though, tab completion did *nothing*. it just sat there, even though there were two objects in /boot that started with that prefix. i tried the same tab completion with ls and file, and it worked fine. but not with gunzip. so, as a test, i just did: $ gunzip -c TAB and, to my surprise, all i was offered as possibilities were 6 out of 14 objects in that directory -- the two directories, and the four files that ended with .gz. huh? it appears that tab completion is trying to be intelligent about this (gunzip should be offered only .gz files and *directories*?), and tying the completion possibilities to the command. i've never seen this before. bash feature? config file to define this? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: difference in bash tab completion between fedora and SLES11
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 09/24/2009 01:28 PM, Robert P. J. Day wrote: it appears that tab completion is trying to be intelligent about this (gunzip should be offered only .gz files and *directories*?), and tying the completion possibilities to the command. i've never seen this before. bash feature? config file to define this? Probably bash-completion package is installed by default? yes, i'd already figured out that feature but, curiously, while that package exists for fedora, i still get that functionality on SLES11 with no such package installed. on SLES11, it appears to be just part of the shell, accompanied by the directory /etc/bash_completion.d/ and the file /etc/profile.d/complete.bash. i see no individual package on SLES11 that supports that feature. in any event, mystery solved. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
um ... where is ksymoops?
i suspect i'm tripping over it without seeing it, but is there an actual fedora package containing ksymoops? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
youtube videos playing at least double speed
this has happened once before -- any attempt to play a youtube video now plays it at at least double normal speed (with no sound). is there a recent update that's responsible for this? thanks. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: um ... where is ksymoops?
On Fri, 18 Sep 2009, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: On Fri, 2009-09-18 at 05:24 -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: i suspect i'm tripping over it without seeing it, but is there an actual fedora package containing ksymoops? The ksymoops utility is kinda ancient history these days. Much of its functionality has moved into the kernel; at least for common build configurations (see CONFIG_KALLSYMS, Documentation/Changes and Documentation/oops-tracing.txt in the kernel sources). For 2.6 kernels it's almost never necessary to run the oops output through ksymoops before posting it. Historical ksymoops sources are available here if you need them: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/ksymoops/ i'd sort of suspected that, i just didn't know it was *that* passe. thanks. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: java development questions
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, listm...@websage.ca wrote: I used to use eclipse but found I was spending WAY too much time fiddling with dependences, etc. and had problems with SVN support interesting ... i was on a contract not that long ago where one of the developers who insisted on using eclipse was having *constant* problems with subversion conflicts when doing the same ops from the command line worked fine. never figured out what was going on there, but it seemed like eclipse was the culprit. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
moving a working fedora install from old to new hardware?
what is the preferred way to migrate a working fedora install from an aging box to a newer one? an extra complication is that the old server has a single root filesystem with everything in it, while the new, super-fast box is a dual drive system that will be using LVM. so a simple byte-for-byte clone using dd isn't an option. so is there a fedora way to say, make *this* box look just like *that* box, but do it intelligently? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
how to get 32-bit libz.so.1 support on 64-bit fedora?
i just installed a sizable number of pre-built 32-bit executables on my 64-bit f11 system, a very small number of which are looking for the (32-bit) shared lib libz.so.1 and which will therefore fail to run. since my system is 64-bit, i have no libz shared lib under either /lib or /usr/lib, but i will of course have the 64-bit version installed under /lib64. what's the proper solution to get around this? yum installing the 32-bit compatibility libs? then libz? thanks. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: how to get 32-bit libz.so.1 support on 64-bit fedora?
On Wed, 19 Aug 2009, Pikachu_2014 wrote: Hi, you just have to install the i586 zlib package : yum install zlib.i586 yup, i just figured that out. and i'm assuming that would have required also installing glibc.i586 as a dependency, which i just happened to have installed already. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
are people using webmin with fedora?
i hadn't seen webmin for years, then ran across it on a debian system recently, which inspires me to ask -- are people using webmin to any extent to administer fedora boxes? i'm just curious. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
how to generate a kickstart file corr to an *existing* system?
it's been years since i've needed to use kickstart so what's the current incantation to build a kickstart file that represents the *current* (f11) system? i know that /root/anaconda-ks.cfg corresponds to the system *as it was installed*, but how does one generate that up-to-date KS file? i've already installed system-config-kickstart, but i don't see that option. and i know i used to do that years ago. thanks. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Linux humor (depending on your point of view)
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Steve Blackwell wrote: http://xkcd.com/619/ Steve it would have been funnier if he'd been asking about radeon driver support. :-) rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday Kernel Newbie Corner column @ linux.com: http://cli.gs/WG6WYX -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Sorta OT - anyone replaced MSFT Sharepoint with any OSS products?
On Sun, 2 Aug 2009, Craig White wrote: On Sun, 2009-08-02 at 21:07 -0500, Thomas Cameron wrote: All - I have a friend who owns a small business and who uses Microsoft Office SharePoint Server (MOSS) 2007. As you might suspect, it's a car with the hood welded shut, and I hate it. I help him out with IT stuff and I've had to fight MOSS 2007 for some time. It is agonizingly painful, and it's a massive security risk as far as I'm concerned. I've heard that Alfresco can replace MOSS. Anyone got any experience with this kind of migration? I have set up Alfresco but minimal experience with Sharepoint. Alfresco is pretty cool but I don't know about feature for feature comparisons...perhaps you can get that kind of thing from Alfresco's web site. there's a new kid in town -- nuxeo: http://nuxeo.org and http://nuxeo.com. fully open source. i installed it recently on f11 just so a friend could look at it: http://www.crashcourse.ca/wiki/index.php/Nuxeo i didn't get much further than just the installation and firing it up to verify that it worked, so you might want to poke around and see if has what you need. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday Kernel Newbie Corner column @ linux.com: http://cli.gs/WG6WYX -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: cli guru needed
On Sun, 2 Aug 2009, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sun, 2009-08-02 at 12:54 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Bazooka Joe wrote: Is there a way to combine these 2 commands to cut my time in half? VBoxManage internalcommands converttoraw file.vdi file.raw then I have to run dd if=file.raw of=/dev/sdb -thx You can can command on the same command in several ways. It depends on what you put between the command. ; - always run the next command. - run the second command only if the first command is successful. || - run the second command if the first one fails. How is this going to reduce his total time? The commands are still running sequentially. i'd bump up the blocksize of that dd command. IIRC, the default blocksize for dd is 512 bytes -- painfully small and resulting in lots and lots of little writes. crank up the blocksize significantly and that second command should speed up noticeably. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday Kernel Newbie Corner column @ linux.com: http://cli.gs/WG6WYX -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
videos now playing at about double normal speed
within the last day or so, any videos i try to play on my f11 system (eg, youtube) play at twice normal speed. is anyone else seeing this?? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday Kernel Newbie Corner column @ linux.com: http://cli.gs/WG6WYX -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Sound is gone
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, Antonio M wrote: after latest updates, any sound application when palys streams from the net crashes after a short time. No idea what is causing such a problem as i posted recently, a recent update seems to now play online videos at about double normal speed and, not surprisingly, when that happens, i get no sound either. there's no crash, just incorrect behaviour. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday Kernel Newbie Corner column @ linux.com: http://cli.gs/WG6WYX -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
any known issues with f11 and kernel 2.6.31-rc4?
for research purposes, i like to stay on top of the kernel source tree and build kernels with the latest git pulls, using the latest /boot/config and make oldconfig. that worked fine with 2.6.31-rc2 and -rc3 but when i built an -rc4 last night and booted, i got the first part of the boot and ... blackness. i'm about to try again to see if it's something stupid i did but has anyone else tried this and got it to boot? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday Kernel Newbie Corner column @ linux.com: http://cli.gs/WG6WYX -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: will we ever have radeon drivers that aren't crap?
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009, Hiisi wrote: Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:56:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca currently, on my 1280x800 display gateway laptop, i need to run the vesa driver and get only 1024x768 because, if i try to run the radeon driver, i'll get my full resolution, and my session will last maybe 10-15 minutes before finally locking up, at which point the only response i can get is moving the mouse around the screen verry slowly but nothing else, requiring a power cycle. (the vesa driver will, of course, work perfectly for days on end.) Had similar problem with screen resolution running vesa driver. Check your /etc/X11/xorg.conf In section Screen, subsection Display in line Modes add 1280x800 and restart X-server. That (probably) will do the task. currently, my xorg.conf file is the extremely spartan: Section ServerFlags Option DontZap false EndSection Section Device Identifier Videocard0 Driver vesa EndSection which gives me perfectly functional 1024x768. and i remember trying various combinations to try to get to 1280x800 and failing. if you can give me an exact setting for xorg.conf to try, i'll give it a shot. but i recall messing with that for a while and never getting vesa at 1280x800. i'm definitely open to suggestions. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday Kernel Newbie Corner column @ linux.com: http://cli.gs/WG6WYX -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: will we ever have radeon drivers that aren't crap?
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009, John Mellor wrote: This is a Fedora-killer. Nothing should be higher priority. Is there any way to get Radeon HD support as a mandatory blocking issue into F12 ? If the incredibly bad situation is not fixed by F12 with compiz and 3D gaming and everything else working correctly, then probably the only people who will be left running Fedora will be on laptops with their very low-end graphics, and some NVidia proprietary driver users. at this point, i have to agree. i've been on fedora for several releases but if i can't get minimally functional video drivers that don't lock up my desktop every 15-30 minutes, it's time to move on and find something that works. life is too short to spend hours messing with this and reporting to bugzilla only for nothing to happen. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday Kernel Newbie Corner column @ linux.com: http://cli.gs/WG6WYX -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: will we ever have radeon drivers that aren't crap?
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009, Andras Simon wrote: On 7/24/09, Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca wrote: at this point, i have to agree. i've been on fedora for several releases but if i can't get minimally functional video drivers that don't lock up my desktop every 15-30 minutes, it's time to move on and find something that works. life is too short to spend hours messing with this and reporting to bugzilla only for nothing to happen. I understand your frustration, but: are these Fedora or X problems? If the latter, then I wonder what moving on could mean... i *was* going to add something to that effect to my previous note. are other distros having exactly the same frustrations? friends of mine who run debian or ubuntu seem to be happy, so maybe i'll ask them what they're doing. i'm not asking for much -- i don't need 3D or blazing speed. i just want my native 1280x800 screen resolution. i don't think that's being unreasonable. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday Kernel Newbie Corner column @ linux.com: http://cli.gs/WG6WYX -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: will we ever have radeon drivers that aren't crap?
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009, Julian Aloofi wrote: As soon as the Fedora 12 Alpha is released we could start another test day for radeon cards. We could contact the original initiators and ask them if they'd like to join us. The most important thing is that we will need at least one person experienced with radeon driver hacking, do you know one? When the Alpha is released one of us should contact Dave Airlie and ask him whether he has the time to do the dirty work. I didn't know the radeon situation is that bad, I guess I'm just lucky having the right card (Radeon HD 2600). i'm willing to put in a few more hours on this, but only if there's some kind of meaningful test suite in place already. that is, there's no point if all that's going to happen is a bunch of people going, ok, let's see if we can figure out why this is so hosed. what do we know *already*? has the general problem been identified? who's ultimately responsible for this working? is AMD aware of this and are they actively helping track down the bugs? and so on, and so on. it would be nice to know that there is some kind of structured and methodical process in place for this, and not random flailing around, taking wild stabs at solutions that might or might not work, bugzilla notwithstanding. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday Kernel Newbie Corner column @ linux.com: http://cli.gs/WG6WYX -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: will we ever have radeon drivers that aren't crap?
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009, Bill Davidsen wrote: I can't see this as a blocking issue if the vesa drivers work... My hardware is not so sacred that everyone else should wait until the X group fixes the problem. and i'd be ecstatic with vesa as long as i could get my full 1280x800 resolution on this laptop. as i mentioned before, here's my xorg.conf in its entirety: = Section ServerFlags Option DontZap false EndSection Section Device Identifier Videocard0 Driver vesa EndSection = and i'd be delighted if someone could suggest what to add in terms of Screen or Modes to get 1280x800, because i've tried several variations and nothing worked. suggestions welcome. i'm sure it's trivial and just one of those combinations i've missed. rday p.s. lspci -v, for what it's worth: ... 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series] (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) Subsystem: Gateway 2000 Device 0381 Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 64, IRQ 18 Memory at f000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=128M] Memory at f810 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K] I/O ports at 9000 [size=256] Memory at f800 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=1M] Expansion ROM at unassigned [disabled] Capabilities: access denied Kernel modules: radeon ... -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday Kernel Newbie Corner column @ linux.com: http://cli.gs/WG6WYX -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: will we ever have radeon drivers that aren't crap?
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009, Antonio Olivares wrote: Run $ su - passwd: # Xorg -configure Test X with the command given If X works without problems but you still want vesa change to vesa. After Each Depth 1, 2, 4, 8, 15, 24 if possible add the line Modes 1280x800 This should work. I have had stubborn machines, and I have gotten them to work at the mode(s) I want by doing this. thanks, i'll give that a try sometime this weekend. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday Kernel Newbie Corner column @ linux.com: http://cli.gs/WG6WYX -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
