(rugs)
My new house I'm moving into has wood laminate in the main living areas and brand new carpet in the hallways and bedrooms. I am tearing up all the new carpet before I even move in and replacing it with the armstrong vinyl that 'looks' like wood. I am NEVER dealing with carpet again! tCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have done that in an old house and let me tell you the stench from pulling up the carpet knocked me on my butt ;-)) wherea mask and venture lightly ;-))[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perfect! :) Seriously, the last room in our house to be renovated isthe "animal room" (has the dog crates, litter boxes, etc)...the roomstill has these awful carpet squares with the tell-tale "circularstains"... :) I've seriously considered pulling up the squares toexpose the concrete subflooring and leaving it at that! Just need thatdrain, though... :)"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will beunique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; Youbecome responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine deSaint-Exupéry"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will knoweach other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and whatyou do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief DanGeorge- Original Message -From: TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 12:15 pmSubject: Re: Bottom Lip/Cherie (rugs) my ideal would be to have a concrete floor, radiant heating, with a DRAIN in the middle of said floor to make washing so much easier. would artfully stencil the floor to create room divisions. (you know, oval flower border around the dining room table, faux marble for the bathroom.)-- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 Have a purrfect day Cherie
Re: Need advice for FELV+ 6 week old kitten!
Brenda, I know this is true for fiv. You can't test under a certain age because of false positives from the mother's antibodies. To my knowledge, though, it's NOT true for felv. t"Brenda K. Smith" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gloria. I thought I read on here, though, that a kitten this young could be showing antibodies to felv from his mother?? I'm just trying to find out if being positive on both the Elisa, Snap and IFA at 5 weeks old (when tests were given) is proof positive that he will always be positive or throw it off even if it is in his bone marrow. Thanks for replying. I don't know if the test was light or strong positive. I haven't called Margaret yet as so far I have only received your reply and Hideyos. I hope to receive more replies that answers my specific questions on my first email. I think Interferon is that way to go if 6 weeks is not too young. I also think Vitamin C is a good idea. Thanks, Gloria.-- Brenda. http://www.whiskersandwicks.com http://www.cheqnet.net/~bksmith "The only risk you ever run in befriending a cat is enriching yourself." - Colette Don't Take Your Organs To Heaven. Heaven Knows We Need Them Here. Gloria Lane wrote: Hmmm - well, if the kitten tests positive for FELV, then he has the virus. I think it's an antigen test isn't it, not antibodies, for the office Elisa test. But as I understand, his little immune system could still throw the virus off, as you said. He should be tested again. I really don't know what I'd do - try to support his immune system or leave him be and do it on his own. I'd probably look at Interferon. Re Vit C, Dr. Belfield has a reputation for Vit C, and for using it against FELV. www.belfield.com, I think. Re when to retest, I don't recall - seems like it's 90 days... Again, was it a light positive or a strong positive? Gloria On Jul 11, 2005, at 5:42 PM, Brenda K. Smith wrote: Hi All.. I have a friend who's mother in Oregon rescued a little boy kitten who is about 6 weeks old now. Last week he tested positive for felv on the in office test. I don't know if it was the Snap or Elisa. The lady, Margaret, said they also sent out a sample to be tested at a lab. I believe it was the IFA. She found out today that it is also positive. I asked if they reported that it was replicating in his bone marrow and she asked the vet's office. The person said they thought that in order for it to be positive on the IFA that it would indicate it was replicating in the bone marrow. Is that true? When Margaret's daughter called to ask advice, I told her that a kitten may test positive from the mother cat's antibodies and that the kitten could possibly throw off the virus with good care, human grade food, stress level kept down and Interferon if the kitten is old enough to take it. I recommended Wellness kitten food and Margaret purchased both dry and canned Wellness. Margaret's vet upon seeing the positive test recommended euthanasia immediately. Margaret said absolutely not! She said they had already fallen in love with him and he was energetic showing no signs of illness. I know this lady very well having taught her and her daughter almost 15 years ago how to bottle raise 5 orphan kittens. She will do whatever is necessary to keep this kitten healthy and loved. Here are the questions for which I need answers: 1) Can a 6 week old kitten be on Interferon? I recommended the newest protocol (which I use) of daily Interferon. I use 1 ml daily for my adult cats. What would the dose be for a 2-3 lb. (I think) kitten? 2) If the kitten is positive with the IFA and/or is replicating in his bone marrow, will he remain persistently positive or can he throw if off? 3) Also, if replicating in bone marrow if/when should he be tested again? 4) What other supplements would be recommended? Vit C? What dose for a kitten? L-Lysine? What dose for kitten? If any of you have any other recommendations, please feel free to mention them. I will be calling Margaret tonight or tomorrow to read some of your answers. I will also be printing them out and mailing them to her. Margaret is in her early 70's and I don't know whether she has a computer. I really appreciate any advice you all might have for this cat/ kitten loving lady. All of my experience with felv+ with my cats have been as adults. I have never had a tiny positive kitten. I know I could go to the archives, but I still have dial up and limited internet time so I'm hoping you all don't mind repeating advice for Margaret. Thank you so much. -- Brenda. http://www.whiskersandwicks.com http:// www.cheqnet.net/~bksmith "The only risk you ever run in befriending a cat is enriching yourself." - Colette Don't Take Your Organs To Heaven. Heaven Knows We Need Them Here. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 267.8.10 -
Re: Bottom Lip/Cherie (rugs)
how do you put the tape on the door frames? doesn't it ruin the paint? t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clawing used to be an issue for me, they still shred the couch, but not the door frames anymore. I put long strips of regular clear packaging tape over all the door frames in scratching reach, and they decided they didn't like the feel of it anymore, because it's slippery and they can't dig in like on the bare wood, plus if they try too hard, the tape comes off and usually sticks on them, and they are running through the house with tape stuck on their bodies, like they are being attacked by a pack of coyotes... absolutely scares the bejesus out of them! I also, a few years back, invested in a absolutely WONDERFUL cat tree, I HIGHLY recommend the company to everyone now, my cats have SHREDDED this thing, and it still looks good, after 3 years and 5 cats. It was a bit pricey though http://www.4yourcat.com/pussicat/index.php I have the Mont Blanc tree, with the optional large base, plus I've added on a few extra parts over the years, which is what is so cool about these, they are completely modular, and you can re-arrange them and add on endlessly. I can send anyone who is interested in seeing my current set up a picture in private emails... my pics are too big to send via the list. If you wanna see it (and my livingroom) send me a private email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~I am getting the idea slowly but surely, I have leather kitchen chairs that of course are ripped beyond repairthe door jams in the house are ripped beyond repair, (even though I do try) even the new rug I just put down is already snaggedclawing does not bother me PEE bothers me big time.No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.12/46 - Release Date: 7/11/2005
Re: Bottom Lip/Cherie (rugs)
I agree! TOO funny! I tried putting one in my bedroom where they go in 2 corners. Well then EVERYONE started using it and my bedroom smelled to high heavens. 7 cats using 2 litterpans! tTenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and your point is? hee heeOn 7/12/05, Tad Burnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: This conversation reminds meJenn stopped by my house the other day and I didn't think anything of it at the time but I am sure she must have noticed the litter box on top of the dresser in the window... For some reason my cat with both hind legs crippled doesn't like to use a litter box on the floor...I have found that often times it easier to just put a litter box where they choose to go rather than have them go all around trying to find the place they are comfortable.Of coarse this box that's right up in plain sight for any humans coming by becomes everybody favorite box...but on the other hand its the easiest one to scoop too Tad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, the first thing I did when I moved into this apartment was peel back all the carpeting and see if there was any usable floor underneath. Luckily, in the bedroom there was decent wood floor, so I was able to toss the carpet in that room. The office has a very thin indoor/outdoor type of carpet with no padding over industrial tile, and the cats don't seem to like to pee on it (if they do, I'll take the carpet out). The livingroom is an issue, under it, is plain plywood, and it has, literally, about 5000 nails all across the entire floor. it would LOOK HORRIBLE if I pulled up the carpet. Since I rent, I'm not going to sink a ton of money into adding nice flooring myself, so we just deal with spots as they occur in there. That's why I paid a deposit :) Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~ Hee, hee! I've even gone to the extent of removing all of the carpet in the house and replacing with ceramic tile/laminate wood flooring (I highly recommend the Armstrong's edition made exclusively for Lowe's...withstands spills and cat claws peeling out at 100 miles and hour)...and the rugs are the cheap berber/industrial rugs that you can pick up at Walmart for $30 (they don't seem to be as comfortable to pee on and withstand claw sharpening)...two mottos at our house: "if it can't be ruined, we don't buy it" and "we can't have anything nice!" :) No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.12/46 - Release Date: 7/11/2005 -- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
Re: Bottom Lip/Cherie (rugs)
get the sheet vinyl like i'm getting. the top of the line stuff has a 15 year guarantee not to scratch, tear, scuff, etc the color goes all the way through. it's 'textured' to make it look like wood grain. it really doesn't look bad. if i could afford it i would tear up the laminate in the living areas and just do the whole house in it right now, but since i can't, i'm going to keep the laminate until it starts giving me problems. You can bleach the vinyl, etc and water can't get through it. t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That sounds great especially the drain in the middle of the floor. A couple years ago I spent 8,000.00 to tear up carpet and replace with top of the line wood laminate all through my house. One month later the seams starting lifting and now I have messed up floors. The manufacturer said the warranty does not cover cat urine. I need something I can clean with bleach and soap. Guess cement would be good. jpgk7csUPGGZQ.jpg Description: JPEG image
Re: [animalcommunication] OT-transport
Hi Tonya, I'm down in Atlanta, so I don't know what legs have been filled. But I will forward this to the girl in charge and see what's going on with the transport. THANK YOU SO MUCH for your interest! tonyaTonya Culbertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonya,Have you got the first legs taken care of? Sad tosay, it looks like this happened in my neck of thewoods. I am about an hour and a half from Knoxville,and could do one or a few of the first few... Couldyou let me know if those are filled up yet? I wouldhave contacted you sooner, but I just talked to mygirlfriend about it last evening... I would havewritten directly to the "source", but I couldn't tellwhat email address that was from the posting.Thank you,Tonya(I have lost a couple of cats to feline leukemia, andwas on that list for a while. It was a great place tobe while I needed it.)--- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys, I know this is off topic, but I know many of you are involved in rescue. In case you are not and you may not have heard. An animal "sanctuary" was recently closed down by the state of Tennessee for keeping animals in horrible conditions. Several people on a leukemia list I am a member on had sent animals to the sanctuary. Our list is now working to rescue the leukemia cats so they will not be automatically put to sleep due to their positive status. We are trying to transport the 6 cats who were healthy enough to save but are leukemia positive. If you are in any of these areas and could forward this post to any rescue groups in these areas for help with this transport it would be greatly appreciated. There are also fiv+ cats and cats who are negative, but not in great shape, that are looking for homes. If you know of anyone interested you can have them contact me for more info. I believe over 100 cats total were pulled from the sanctuary. I don't know how many corpses were found. (many.) Some were in such bad shape they were euthanized, but there are still many to be placed in safe homes. tonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org, "TenHouseCats" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:05:48 -0400 CC: Subject: Transport for the FELV+ cats from AW (drivers needed!) 6 cats, Knoxville TN to Bennington VT, July 16/17 - TWO legs filled, PLEASE help! Permission to cross post widely! Routes flexible. If you can fill any of this route, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Passengers are six FELV+ cats. Rabies vaccines are up to date. Cats have been treated for parasites, cleaned up, and should make the trip just fine. These are the FELV+ cats that survived the closing of Angel Wings Sanctuary in Tennessee. Pictures, and more info on their circumstances are at http://ucat.us/AW-FELV/ The sending party is a local Knoxville animal clinic where the cats are being boarded. The rescue working to place the special needs cats is The Stray Connection, in partnership with Peaceful Kingdom, who won the actual legal ownership of the cats in court when the case closed. The sending party contact person is Kara (from The Stray Connection) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (865) 705-3712 Cats are traveling to their approved foster home, a member of the Feline Leukemia support group at http://www.felineleukemia.org/ The contact person for the receiving end is Jenn, a Feline Leukemia Support group volunteer, and the transport coordinator, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (802) 472-8628Carriers provided. There is NO danger of infecting your vehicle involved in transporting these cats, as the Feline Leukemia Virus dies very quickly in the air, different sources say anywhere from a few minutes to a few hours in a dry environment (and only 2 to 3 days at most in a moist litter box). Leaving July 16th, NEEDED legs in Bold RED: LEG1 Knoxville, TN to Greeneville, TN 69 miles (1 hr, 12 min) arriving in Greeneville approx 9:00 am LEG 2 Greeneville, TN to Bristol, TN 51 miles (1 hr, 3 min) arriving in Bristol approx 10:15 am LEG 3 Bristol, TN to Marion, VA 45 miles (47 min) arriving in Marion approx 11:30 am LEG 4 Marion, VA to Pulaski, VA 50 miles (51 min) arriving in Pulaski approx 12:30 pm LEG 5 Pulaski, VA to Roanoke, VA 59 miles (1 hr, 4 min) arriving in Roanoke approx 1:45 pm LEG 6 Roanoke, VA to Lexington, VA 54 miles (56 min) arriving in Lexington approx 3:00 pm LEG 7 Lexington, VA to Harrisonburg, VA 61 (1 hr, 3 min) arriving in Harrisonburg approx 4:15 pm LEG 8 Harrisonburg, VA to Strasburg, VA 51 miles (54 min) arriving in Strasburg approx 5:15 pm LEG 9 Strasburg, VA to Hagerstown, MD 62 miles (1 hr, 1 min) arriving in Hagerstown approx 6:30 pm FILLED! Thanks to Tracy Weese LEG 10 Hagerstown, MD to Harrisburg, PA 76 miles (1 hr, 16 min) arriving in Harrisburg approx 8:00 pm FILLED! Thanks to Gina Henshaw overnight needed in Harrisburg area July 17th: LEG 11 Harrisburg, PA to Hamburg, PA 55 miles (57 min) arriving in Hamburg approx 10:00 am LEG 12 Hamburg, PA to Stroudsburg, PA 65 miles (1 hr, 16 min)
transport for angel wings cats-jenn-tad
Jenn, Not sure if the email I have for you is the one that's working. This is a different 'tonya' in tennesee interested in helping with transport. I should have been more clear the first time. tcatatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 23:25:49 -0700 (PDT)From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [animalcommunication] OT-transport Hi Tonya, I'm down in Atlanta, so I don't know what legs have been filled. But I will forward this to the girl in charge and see what's going on with the transport. THANK YOU SO MUCH for your interest! tonyaTonya Culbertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonya,Have you got the first legs taken care of? Sad tosay, it looks like this happened in my neck of thewoods. I am about an hour and a half from Knoxville,and could do one or a few of the first few... Couldyou let me know if those are filled up yet? I wouldhave contacted you sooner, but I just talked to mygirlfriend about it last evening... I would havewritten directly to the "source", but I couldn't tellwhat email address that was from the posting.Thank you,Tonya(I have lost a couple of cats to feline leukemia, andwas on that list for a while. It was a great place tobe while I needed it.)--- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys, I know this is off topic, but I know many of you are involved in rescue. In case you are not and you may not have heard. An animal "sanctuary" was recently closed down by the state of Tennessee for keeping animals in horrible conditions. Several people on a leukemia list I am a member on had sent animals to the sanctuary. Our list is now working to rescue the leukemia cats so they will not be automatically put to sleep due to their positive status. We are trying to transport the 6 cats who were healthy enough to save but are leukemia positive. If you are in any of these areas and could forward this post to any rescue groups in these areas for help with this transport it would be greatly appreciated. There are also fiv+ cats and cats who are negative, but not in great shape, that are looking for homes. If you know of anyone interested you can have them contact me for more info. I believe over 100 cats total were pulled from the sanctuary. I don't know how many corpses were found. (many.) Some were in such bad shape they were euthanized, but there are still many to be placed in safe homes. tonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org, "TenHouseCats" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:05:48 -0400 CC: Subject: Transport for the FELV+ cats from AW (drivers needed!) 6 cats, Knoxville TN to Bennington VT, July 16/17 - TWO legs filled, PLEASE help! Permission to cross post widely! Routes flexible. If you can fill any of this route, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Passengers are six FELV+ cats. Rabies vaccines are up to date. Cats have been treated for parasites, cleaned up, and should make the trip just fine. These are the FELV+ cats that survived the closing of Angel Wings Sanctuary in Tennessee. Pictures, and more info on their circumstances are at http://ucat.us/AW-FELV/ The sending party is a local Knoxville animal clinic where the cats are being boarded. The rescue working to place the special needs cats is The Stray Connection, in partnership with Peaceful Kingdom, who won the actual legal ownership of the cats in court when the case closed. The sending party contact person is Kara (from The Stray Connection) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (865) 705-3712 Cats are traveling to their approved foster home, a member of the Feline Leukemia support group at http://www.felineleukemia.org/ The contact person for the receiving end is Jenn, a Feline Leukemia Support group volunteer, and the transport coordinator, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (802) 472-8628Carriers provided. There is NO danger of infecting your vehicle involved in transporting these cats, as the Feline Leukemia Virus dies very quickly in the air, different sources say anywhere from a few minutes to a few hours in a dry environment (and only 2 to 3 days at most in a moist litter box). Leaving July 16th, NEEDED legs in Bold RED: LEG1 Knoxville, TN to Greeneville, TN 69 miles (1 hr, 12 min) arriving in Greeneville approx 9:00 am LEG 2 Greeneville, TN to Bristol, TN 51 miles (1 hr, 3 min) arriving in Bristol approx 10:15 am LEG 3 Bristol, TN to Marion, VA 45 miles (47 min) arriving in Marion approx 11:30 am LEG 4 Marion, VA to Pulaski, VA 50 miles (51 min) arriving in Pulaski approx 12:30 pm LEG 5 Pulaski, VA to Roanoke, VA 59 miles (1 hr, 4 min) arriving in Roanoke approx 1:45 pm LEG 6 Roanoke, VA to Lexington, VA 54 miles (56 min) arriving in Lexington approx 3:00 pm LEG 7 Lexington, VA to Harrisonburg, VA 61 (1 hr, 3 min) arriving in Harrisonburg approx 4:15 pm LEG 8 Harrisonburg, VA to Strasburg, VA 51 miles (54 min) arriving in Strasburg approx 5:15 pm LEG 9 Strasburg, VA to Hagerstown,
Re: (rugs)
Tonya, please let me know how the Armstrong laminate does. I had quick step laminate and it has been a disaster. Sheila
Re: Tad's Special Needs Cat was: Re: Bottom Lip/Cherie (rugs)
Tad: She is beautiful - can't even tell she is disabled. I loved the last picture of you and the meezers. Love that you have a houseful. I love them - especially the old apple heads and sealpoints are my favorite! We have a bluepoint himmy/siamese mix owner surrender and I love him to pieces and would have a house full however I am not allowed to rescue Siamese by my partner cuz of their tude - LOL. However we do have an inordinately large number of tabbies - which I also love but are king of the 'tudes and even worse four torties (your baby is beautiful) that have even worse tudes that Siamese or tabbies ever thought of having. And when you have a single kitten bottle baby tortie need I say more? Thanks for sharing your pictures. Now I am going to go look at your rescues and the other photos in the group. On 7/12/05, Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK..Took a bunch of brand new pictures and put them on Aforeverhome Group... -- /mari (SpiritCat)Until there are none, adopt one.SpiritCat and the Mooseheart Mumpkeesof southeastern Texas[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tad's Special Needs Cat was: Re: Bottom Lip/Cherie (rugs)
Hi Mari Yes..The torti is a very special kitty...She not only is one of my FeLV+ kitties but she was very feral when she arrived here...I have had lots of strays the love a person that takes them in right away but she was my 1st feral... But I guess one big difference with ferals they need to be able to join a colony readily for their survivle...I had to hide on the couch under a blanket to watch her but I have never seen a new kitty just go around the room and rub and chirp to all my other cats in the room...It took a couple months before I could even look at her with out her taking cover...After 6 months that is the 1st good picture of her that she has let us takeWe can sneak a couple pats while she has her head in the food bowl but then she backs off and give us an angry stare like why do you try and do that look But beside that she is one of the most fun cats that I have had..just to watch her and watch her play with my 2 other playful boys..all about 2 years old... Tad Mari Kolbe wrote: Tad: even worse four torties (your baby is beautiful) that have even worse tudes that Siamese or tabbies ever thought of having. And when you have a single kitten bottle baby tortie need I say more? Thanks for sharing your pictures. Now I am going to go look at your rescues and the other photos in the group. On 7/12/05, Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK..Took a bunch of brand new pictures and put them on Aforeverhome Group... -- /mari (SpiritCat) Until there are none, adopt one. SpiritCat and the Mooseheart Mumpkees of southeastern Texas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Need opion on treatment for open would for FELV+ cat
Is Depo Medrol bad for FELV+ cats guys? Is there any other drug or treatment that might help this open wound heal quicker? She has what is described as a "HUGE infected" sore on her neck. It was cultured and all that was found in it was run of the mill bacteria. From: Disbrow, Kara To: Jenn Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 9:05 AM Subject: RE: cats at Banfield Hey,I am not going to get the time to bring Callie home before her transport. I think at this point, it would be just one more change that she does not need. I am not real keen on the depo medrol for her since she is feluk. What do you think? I will call the vet today to see if her boo boo has improved at all.-Original Message-From: Holly A Frey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 8:10 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: cats at BanfieldTalked w/ the vet at Banfield today. She and I agree that you need totake the calico home to see if the stress of being outside of a cagehelps. If not, you'll probably have to consider depo medrol in myopinion. If she gets sick from that, she is a good candidate foreuthanasia, since the fact that she has this condition is indicative thather immune system is compromised.Stacy called and said she cannot medicate the eye kitty. It is veryaggressive to humans and tries to scratch and bite her every time shetries to medicate it. I am going to have her take it back to Banfieldand take one or two more. I would like you to please take eye kitty homeand cage her so that she can be medicated (or maybe get Catherine to takeher home). No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.13/47 - Release Date: 7/12/2005
Re: Bottom Lip/Cherie (rugs)
My frames are not painted, they are finished wood. The tape might ruin a BAD paint job, but shouldn't hurt a decent job if it was sanded and primed before painting. Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.13/47 - Release Date: 7/12/2005
Cat TRansport from AW
I'm afraid I've sort of lost track of route but this was posted in another group was wondering if it might help. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Chris] Message: 1 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:25:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Joanie Stambaugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Transport Available Thur. 7/14 from Gatlinburg, TN to Charleston, WV Permission to CROSS POST!! If you need to get a cat or dog back North from TN, KY or the general vicinity, CALL THERESA at 304-395-3971 and make arrangements. From: Theresa Thornburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Transport Available Thur. 7/14 from Gatlinburg, TN to Charleston, WV Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:12:52 -0400 PERMISSION TO CROSS POST. DO NOT E-MAIL ME, I HAVE NO E-MAIL ACCESS AS OF 7/12. CALL THERESA AT 304-395-3971 IF YOU NEED MY HELP. I will be returning from Gatlinburg, TN to Charleston, WV this Thursday, 7/14. I have a cargo van and 6 very large dog crates. I'd like to find someone to help in getting animals to safety. My timetable is not set nor my route so I am flexible as to how I get back to Charleston, WV. I require age appropriate rabies vaccine and health records, health cert. if possible, collar and leash for dogs over 4 mos. and a donation, whatever you can afford, towards my gas, toll and van rental expenses. Theresa and the furkids at: TLC (Theresa's Little Critters) P.O. Box 70235 Charleston WV 25301 304-395-3971 http://www.TLC4U.petfinder.org - Sell on Yahoo! Auctions - No fees. Bid on great items. [This message contained attachments] Help us find homes for orphan cats. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/adopt-cats/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Tad's Special Needs Cat was: Re: Bottom Lip/Cherie (rugs)
Yes..The torti is a very special kitty...She not only is one of my FeLV+ kitties but she was very feral when she arrived here...I have had lots of strays the love a person that takes them in right away but she was my 1st feral... Tad: Yet another of us that are owned by house ferals. We have several sharing our home. We got Chicky Feathers and his littermates (also leuk +) when they were about 12 or 14 weeks. Chicky and a couple of the littermates lived behind our refrigerator for three years (hence his name). If we were in the room, you'd never know that they were there. We too used to watch them behind the cover of something. Like you said, there must be a colony instinct as they didn't take long at all to greet and adjust to the other kitchen kitties. After about six months, they would come out to eat at the feed tray if we were in the room and like you we'd get a couple of pets in before we were admonished. Chicky is the last remaining one of that group - we lost his sister, Earth Mother, this spring. Chicky is going on 14 yrs old now and will sometimes allow us to pet him if we bring food - LOL - or he is sitting in the group on top of the cages. While Earth Mother actually got to where she would come to us for pets from time to time, Chicky never has. He recently injured his ear and we thought for sure that it would be a major undertaking getting him into a carrier and to the vet. He actually let us pick him up and put him in the carrier and while at the vet he was totally docile during treatment. He has to be sprayed with this medication twice a day and he let us. But the sore is almost healed and he is getting tired of it - now when we come towards him, he backs up, turns his head away so we can't reach it and gives us a large his and the look. Hang in there - you are making great progress in only six months. Again, thanks for sharing pictures of your family. Now I'll know where to go when I need a Meezer fix. -- /mari (SpiritCat)Until there are none, adopt one.SpiritCat and the Mooseheart Mumpkeesof southeastern Texas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: 2 questions
On 7/11/05, Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is a rodent ulcer? Cherie: Type in rodent ulcer and you will get many hits. Here is one with pictures (be forewarned - some are graphically descriptive) http://www.thepetcenter.com/gen/eulcer.html . Cause is not truly known, but suspected to be allergic reation to food, especially fleas and environmental. Having had several over the years with rodent ulcers I am beginning to think that they are somewhat like feline herpes - some have a body chemistry that seems to be more susceptible. We had one cat who got one and that was the only one he ever had. We had another that I treated for rodent ulcers every few months all his life. (They are not contageous to other cats, humans, dogs, etc.). While I hated to use steroids, we initially did. The first vet prescribed ovaban which worked, but I later found out was not good because long term use could cause diabetes. Later on he started getting the depomedrol shots. They worked okay, but the ovaban actually healed the first ones faster. When it became evident that he was going to be chronic, we tried to put him on high quality diet - most of which he wouldn't touch. We then resorted to a supplement/vitamin cocktail that as long as it was put in cr** food he would eat with relish. The vitamin/supplement regime actually bought us much more time between re-occurences. -- /mari (SpiritCat)Until there are none, adopt one.SpiritCat and the Mooseheart Mumpkeesof southeastern Texas[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (rugs)
Hi Sheila, I'm not getting Armstrong laminate. I'm getting armstrong sheet vinyl that is just imprinted to look like wood. t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonya, please let me know how the Armstrong laminate does. I had quick step laminate and it has been a disaster.Sheila jpgLoQt9ZD3bM.jpg Description: JPEG image
housing/fostering of FeLV+ cats
Our organization just received an e-mail request for transporting cats to Bennington, Vermont. We have circulated it widely to our volunteers. I am wondering about availability of fosters or sanctuaries for positive cats. It is our organization's policy not to accept positive cats, but we took in 4 as kittens (they are now 2+ years old and healthy). However, they live with a very elderly woman (98!) and her health is beginning to fail. We find it very difficult to place positive cats in the Albany community where we work. If any of your members or volunteers would like to see these cats, go to www.animalovers.org and look for Angelica, et. al on our cats for adoption page. Thanks. - AnimaLovers the Animal Welfare League of the Greater Capital District, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- www.animalovers.org P.O. Box 6426 Albany, NY 12206-0426 (518) 448-5468
Re: Bottom Lip/Cherie (rugs)
If the cement is sealed with say polyurethane. Otherwise, cement is very porous. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Bottom Lip/Cherie (rugs) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:52:18 EDT That sounds great especially the drain in the middle of the floor. A couple years ago I spent 8,000.00 to tear up carpet and replace with top of the line wood laminate all through my house. One month later the seams starting lifting and now I have messed up floors. The manufacturer said the warranty does not cover cat urine. I need something I can clean with bleach and soap. Guess cement would be good.
Re: New to List FELV + kittens
I am the President of the rescue group here in Oakdale, CA. There are only 4 of us and of course with kitten season, and no one around here s/n their cats, we are full to the brim. On 3-29-05 Savannah (I had her tested for FeLV/FIV she was negative before she had the babies.) she was dropped off to us while doing adoptions. She gave birth to 6 healthy kittens, one female and 5 males. I filmed their birth since this was my first time (as an adult) to watch kittens being born. I watched them grow and become 6 little kittens with all different personalites. I have seperate areas in my house (all cats and kittens are quarentined for 7 days and tested) Adult cat room for adults - 2 car garage made into kitten and teenage room (awaiting room), them the guest (kitten) room with Moms and babies and then our office turned into the recovery room after their spay and neuter - then they go into the large garage room while they await their adoption or if the kitten room gets to full the older ones go into the 2 car garage Awaiting room. Savannah and her babies at almost 3 months went to the Awaiting room to await their s/n. On s/n day we went,, we had 29 kittens, and about 11 of them tabbies, well I had 3 pretty new (to me) kittens I wanted tested - so they tested them - well they tested the wrong one,, Savannah's only girl, she tested postive. We tested all, 5 of the 6 tested positive- the one kit that was negative (Rome) was neutered the others were not as the Dr there said their glands were swollen. So I brought them home and placed them (5+) in the only room I have left - my hall bath. These kits are so so special to me and I am having a hard time know that they may not be able to fight this and they could die. I also know they maybe able to fight it and win. I hate to think of them having their last days living in a very small bathroom. I am looking for a home where they could be fostered for a month, re-tested and then we will go from there. If they do test negative then I or who has them could adopt them out Anyway I am looking for resources to help these kittens live out there possible last days happy and in a loving home. During this time, I kept wondering where they could of gotten this disease my vet asked me is anyone acting sick or out of sorts,,, I said well yes, Sheeba, she was getting really thin,, so I took her in and she was Positive and very sick. We pts as she was not going to make it to much longer, she probably had this since she was born but her and her 3 sisters were tested when we first got them but they were negative. Her 3 sisters were adopted about 3 weeks ago, they all seem to be fine, I sure hope they don't have it also, maybe another source but no one else is sick. I ahve 93 cats and kittens, this is not counting my own personal cats either What should be our next step, do I need to test every kitten or cat that they came in contact with ? All adults or kittens old enough, have been vaccinated for felv along with their other needed vac's. Sorry this is so long, new to list and lots to say and ask. Thank you Terri Stone anyfelinerescue.org -- Terri Durham-Stone Safe a Life Spay and Neuter Live well, Love much, Laugh Often
Re: New to List FELV + kittens
It's highly unlikely any of your healthy adult cats could have caught the virus, even with prolonged contact. It's almost always kittens under one year of age, or immune compromised cats (FIV+) that catch it from carriers. I would definitely test any cats that are weak, or under a year of age that had any contact with any of the known positive cats. On the other hand, it is also very common for cats to fight off the virus if given a few weeks to a few months, and test negative at a later date. So if you decide to test them all, be fully prepared to do it at LEAST twice. On the ones that test positive on both the initial test (I'm assuming you are doing the ELISA snap test), and the second test done 2 to 3 months later, you need to do the confirmation test, the IFA. That is a lab test your vet will have to send samples out for testing to get done. Even if THOSE come back positive, they still might eventually fight it off, so you NEVER know 100% for sure if it's hopeless or not. What you need to consider the most now is, are you willing to turn one of your rooms into a FELV+ cat sanctuary, or do you not have the time, facilities, or funding to do this? The fact is, it's VERY hard to place cats that continuously test positive for FELV. You will probably end up owning them for the rest of their lives. Life expectancy varies VERY much from cat to cat, averaging from about 18 months to 8 years, but with many dying younger, or living up into the normal upper ranges for healthy cats. They wont require any special care, or any expensive treatments if they are not showing active symptoms of the virus, but it is optional, and is thought that itmight increase life-span to use some of the "unproven" treatments outlined on thelist website (we think we have seen proof, but we have no official studies, so I don't want to break any laws by saying we have proven results). We have personal experience that the treatments do help when the cats begin to get ill. Not everyone doses their positive cats that are not "sick". The main thing they will need, in the way of special care, is a PREMIUM food. This means NO CORN or CORN byproducts in their food, and preferably a grain free diet, or a home made meat diet. Cornell also advises that FELV+ cats get bi-annual exams, instead of the normal annual exams for negative cats, just to head things off should something arise during routine bloodwork. FELV+ cats are prone to anemia, and it doesn't hurt to add a bit of extra iron to their diets either. Vita-drops, Lixo-tinic, or Pet-tinic, are all good liquid iron supplements for cats. Many people on this list also add extra vitamin C to their cat's diets, for it's immune boosting effects. (just like when you take it yourself when you feel a cold coming on). Other list members will be able to give you more detailed info on all the supplements and dosages they use. When my Moogie was sick, she would lick on a mentholated vitamin C drop (yes the fruit flavored ones, like Hall's) on her own... and usually cats KNOW what their bodies need, so I think that's proof on that matter.FELV treatmenta highly personal thing, you wont find many vets that will be able to give you any good advice on FELV, the good ones are few and far between. You may even find yourself having to twist your vet's arm to get him to prescribe some of the things you will hear suggested on this list. Prepare yourself to hear lot's of negative things from your vet, including advise to just euthanise them all. It's up to you, what YOU want to do for YOUR cats, just remember that! Personally, I'd just makethe bedroom the FELV cat room... they REALLY seem to be sweeter than negative cats inlots ofways, and they LOVE to snuggle under the covers when it's cold (it seems to me that most of them seem to know their time might be short, and so they fit as much loving in as they can while they can). Oh and one more thing you are probably worried about... sanitization. The FELV virus dies within minutes in a dry environment, and within 3 hours in a wet one (and I can quote Cornell on that one). No bleach or anything like that is necessary to kill it. Just wash used dishes and litterpans normally, and set them off in a dry spot to completely dry for 3 hours, and then you can use them for the negative cats with no danger. Lot's of people think it's hard to kill and really contagious, and that's really not true at all. You can't carry it on your hands, or anything like that, it has to be moist direct contact, such as a penetrating bite, mutual grooming over long periods, sex, direct contact with fresh waste (such as FELV+ cat poops, Negative cat goes in box, steps in FELV poop, then immediately licks poop off paw while still wet), or so forth. Even these direct routes of transmission only generally apply to kittens under one year of age, or immune compromised cats. Healthy adult cats just do not catch FELV, it's so rare,
