Re: [Felvtalk] Gary - info on acemannan,etc
okay, I have been trying to send this but it's too big to go through so I copied and pasted onto a word document the abstracts of four articles relating to acemannan (or related polysaccharides and viral infections) These were really to answer the specific question of oral mannose versus IP injection but if you want more articles on acemannan itself I can get them for you. Hope it helps. Jenny ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] New to the FELV+ kitty group
Stacy, Hi. I am sorry to hear you got a postive felv. I think it's a good idea to either retest with the elisa (snap test) or send for IFA. The ELISA can show you a transient infection (one in which your cat can fight off the virus and survive without complication) wherein the test will become negative once the virus is gone. In this case, the IFA should be negative. If the virus gets into your cats cells, the IFA test will become positive and your cat will either become an asymptomatic carrier of the virus or progress onto the symptoms of the disease. So a repeat test would be high on my list especially with your cat's history. As far as treatment, if it is a transient infection, high dose vitamin C, lysine and possibly acemannan (injections or oral) have all been theorized and in some cases shown to help them fight off and overcome the virus. If it's in your cats cells, there is no known cure for removing the virus. It will likely be there for life and have the ability to cause disease. In this case, the only thing that is really done is to support the cat's immune system to keep the virus as minimally active as possible. This is done with things like LTCI (although it is possible that if this is given early enough you may be able to get rid of the virus - this is conjecture for now), interferon, Standard process immune support, acemannan, vitamin C, etc. Your cat is having symptoms, or something. Possibly symptoms of felv (the anemia and GI problems would be consistent) and possibly something else. I would be suspicious about your situation for the following reason - your cat is older and had a negative history with yearly vaccinations. Although it's possible he still picked up felv, I would still persue other causes of the symptoms. Metronidazole is a good idea, but was a fecal done? You could try probiotics. I would also be considering a Bartonella infection (hemobartonella can cause anemia - it is an infection in the blood) and it is often seen in felv cats. I live in Kenosha, WI and an absolutely excellent holistic vet is Dr. Jodi. She is a little bit on the expensive side and you have to plan ahead to see her, unless there is a cancellation, but is well worth it. Here's the information The Animal Doctor in Muskego WI - Dr. Jodi - http://www.animaldoctormuskego.com/ Hope this helps. Jenny On 4/13/10, Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi: We are new to the group. My (approximately) 13 year old male kitty has been diagnosed with FELV via a SNAP test. I found him as a stray when he was about age 1-2 and I did have him tested then. The test came back negative and I proceeded to vaccinate him for FELV with yearly boosters as at the time he was a semi-outdoor still. I don't recall if my vet had me do a second test or not so I am rather surprised and shocked that he has tested positive now but I've read it can happen. We have a bloodwork re-check tomorrow and the IFA test at the vet. We've been to an internal medicine specialist for a second opinion on how we can manage this disease and keep him comfortable. This showed up because his white blood cell count has been abnormally low ever since we moved from one side our townhouse to the other (Feb 2010) and he has been very stressed out ever since the move. He was vomiting a lot in the recent past and I took him in again for testing. The vet this time tested him for the FELV, FIV etc. His attitude seemed inconsolable at times and he seemed to howl a lot and vocalize a lot as though he is having issues or pain. But he runs up and down the stairs with ease, jumps on to counters still and plays a bit but is less active than he was in January. Any advice is greatly appreciated as far as best diet (he currently eats wellness canned and assorted other canned but only seems to like fish flavors now! He eats Tasted of the Wild Dry salmon flavor as well). At the moment I've started him on Standard PRocess feline immune support supplements. The vet put him on metronidazole in case he has bacterial overgrowth in his intestines and reglan for nausea/vomiting. He seems to do well for about 4 days off reglan, then starts vomiting food again in the morning. He is eating/drinking/ urinating/ defecating okay and seems to be howling less on the meds. I am looking for advice on treatments, immunotherapies etc. - both conventional and holistic. I've heard from others that immunoregulin works as does Imulan LTCI. I'd love to hear what helps your kitties.If you know of any vets in Wisconsin in the Milwaukee county/Waukesha/ Jefferson County areas who specialize in FELV+ kitties, please let me know also. There is a great vet in Madison but that is a ways to drive for us in his state. Thanks so much for all your help. Stacy and Spanky in Wisconsin ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv
Okay, I am always questioning people that claim a cure, but here is a small study done that caused a man to patent the treatment concerning felv. This a group dedicated to looking into any avenue that may help our little ones, so I'm putting this out there. I copied and pasted this from the patent: notes: 1) One cat with FELV(+)/FIV(+) died without the treatment as a control. 2) Treatments: Cats were injected intramuscularly with 20 mg DEPOMEDROL (antiinflammatory steroid) and dispensed with 1,200 mg powdered Nacetyl cysteine(NAC), 200 IU of Vitamin E, 500 mg of Vitamin C and one PET TAB/day. 3) It takes from 3 weeks to 6 weeks for the cats to turn retrovirus positive reaction to negative after the treatment. 4) The symptoms of Champage, Precious, and Missy such as dental problems bloody diarrhea, and loss of appetite completely subsided after the treatment with steroids/antioxidants. The symptoms of Sampson such as vomiting, gum disease, and loss of appetite completely reversed after the treatment. Josey's symptoms of lung problem, loss of appetite, and gum infection cleared up following the treatment. The cats were maintained on PET TABS following the treatment with steroid/antioxidants. 5) At the conclusion of the test all cats remained FIV or leukemia virus negative. 6) Blood was drawn for analysis from four of the cats treated (Sampson, Josey, Patch, and Bud). The analysis included cell cultures, mitogen stimulation, and polymerase chain reaction assay for the retovirus. All tests indicated the cats were fully cured as none indicated any sign of the virus. These cat experiments are the first to demonstrate that AIDS can be cured in an in vivo model. That's it. If anyone's got any ideas about it or history with it, I'd love to hear it. Jenny ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv
first question has to be whether the cats were truly positive to start with: an ifa done 120 days after last possible date of exposure. otherwise, there's no way of knowing that the cats wouldn't throw off the virus themselves. three to six weeks after treatment, which may or may not have been started immediately after first test, would well be enough time for that to happen spontaneously. now is this supposedly for FeLV, or FIV? at the end, it states that, These cat experiments are the first to demonstrate that AIDS can be cured in an in vivo model. AIDS is a human disease, it is not a feline one. no veterinary professional refers to FIV as AIDS--so immediately i'm suspicious, and again, confused, as it starts out talking about curing FeLV. how many times were the cats administered this treatment? if more than once, at what interval? i think that depo is a wonder drug in many cases, and have used it successfully for stomatitis for a number of years. so i'm not against the possibility, just would like more info. i have no idea what NAC is, would like more info. actually, i'd like more info in general. are there clinical trials going on? has the guy contacted the main FeLV/FIV researchers to help with that? MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] update on Whimsy
and don't forget that with cats, for reasons unknown, once they get into a scratchy/worrying a hair-loss place, it can become an obsessive thing that has nothing to do with whether or not the active irritant still exists. it's a horrible season for pollen, for all critters, so allergies are more of a problem, earlier, too. the other thing i thought of is a condition whose name i can't recall right now--oh, yeah, hyperesthesia, where their skin is super sensitive to touch. i've seen it in a kitty who had survived untreated burns--he has to be medicated with depomedrol to function. poor dear. just another idea. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Gary - info on acemannan,etc
Jenny, Nothing was attached to this email, I don't know if the list allows attachments. Could you send the stuff directly to me a gcru...@centurytel.net please. Thanks, Gary -- From: jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 11:11 AM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gary - info on acemannan,etc okay, I have been trying to send this but it's too big to go through so I copied and pasted onto a word document the abstracts of four articles relating to acemannan (or related polysaccharides and viral infections) These were really to answer the specific question of oral mannose versus IP injection but if you want more articles on acemannan itself I can get them for you. Hope it helps. Jenny ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv
I have to be honest, I am skeptical myself. In general, it is a group of individuals looking to find a treatment for AIDS/HIV in people and the cats were a model for disease (I hate that they do this, but if they do I will learn everything I possibly can from it). It is somewhat old so I do not know what, if anything has come of it, but the results are interesting none the less. Here is the website I got this information from, it goes into more detail. http://www2.arkansas.net/~artg/fi7.htm I will email this man Van Dyke and if he responds will keep you updated. Jenny On 4/16/10, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: first question has to be whether the cats were truly positive to start with: an ifa done 120 days after last possible date of exposure. otherwise, there's no way of knowing that the cats wouldn't throw off the virus themselves. three to six weeks after treatment, which may or may not have been started immediately after first test, would well be enough time for that to happen spontaneously. now is this supposedly for FeLV, or FIV? at the end, it states that, These cat experiments are the first to demonstrate that AIDS can be cured in an in vivo model. AIDS is a human disease, it is not a feline one. no veterinary professional refers to FIV as AIDS--so immediately i'm suspicious, and again, confused, as it starts out talking about curing FeLV. how many times were the cats administered this treatment? if more than once, at what interval? i think that depo is a wonder drug in many cases, and have used it successfully for stomatitis for a number of years. so i'm not against the possibility, just would like more info. i have no idea what NAC is, would like more info. actually, i'd like more info in general. are there clinical trials going on? has the guy contacted the main FeLV/FIV researchers to help with that? MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv
I didn't know you could patent a treatment made up of commercially available products. Where did you see this patent? It is certainly interesting. It is unfortunate there isn't more info as it doesn't say if the surviving cats were FeLV+ or FIV+, or both. Also, too bad it was such a small sample, but worth looking into. Would love to see the whole study. Gary -- From: jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 11:53 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv Okay, I am always questioning people that claim a cure, but here is a small study done that caused a man to patent the treatment concerning felv. This a group dedicated to looking into any avenue that may help our little ones, so I'm putting this out there. I copied and pasted this from the patent: notes: 1) One cat with FELV(+)/FIV(+) died without the treatment as a control. 2) Treatments: Cats were injected intramuscularly with 20 mg DEPOMEDROL (antiinflammatory steroid) and dispensed with 1,200 mg powdered Nacetyl cysteine(NAC), 200 IU of Vitamin E, 500 mg of Vitamin C and one PET TAB/day. 3) It takes from 3 weeks to 6 weeks for the cats to turn retrovirus positive reaction to negative after the treatment. 4) The symptoms of Champage, Precious, and Missy such as dental problems bloody diarrhea, and loss of appetite completely subsided after the treatment with steroids/antioxidants. The symptoms of Sampson such as vomiting, gum disease, and loss of appetite completely reversed after the treatment. Josey's symptoms of lung problem, loss of appetite, and gum infection cleared up following the treatment. The cats were maintained on PET TABS following the treatment with steroid/antioxidants. 5) At the conclusion of the test all cats remained FIV or leukemia virus negative. 6) Blood was drawn for analysis from four of the cats treated (Sampson, Josey, Patch, and Bud). The analysis included cell cultures, mitogen stimulation, and polymerase chain reaction assay for the retovirus. All tests indicated the cats were fully cured as none indicated any sign of the virus. These cat experiments are the first to demonstrate that AIDS can be cured in an in vivo model. That's it. If anyone's got any ideas about it or history with it, I'd love to hear it. Jenny ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv
i realize that there are a group of folks who insist that FIV and AIDS are totally analogous; what i've found out is that the major researchers continuing in this line are followers of the folks who first identified the virus as an individual entity in either 86 or 87, during the panic surrounding HIV/AIDS. there was nothing wrong with their thinking (hoping) they'd found an animal model that could help with the human condition, but after awhile, most researchers (and research) showed that FeLV more closely resembles HIV/AIDS than FIV does. however, the name has never been changed, and that in itself continues to kill cats everywhere. i know that they put cats on the HIV/AIDS cocktails of AZT and other drugs they use in humans; and continue to insist that the research that most researchers have come to accept is wrong. the analogy of FIV=HIV/AIDS was a great HYPOTHESIS, but that's how knowledge grows--we hypothesize something, we test it, and if the research doesn't bear it out, we update. it seems that this one group of folks who did identify FIV originally are just too invested in their original hypotheses. thanks for the link, and please do let us know what you find out. i really do want there to be a treatment or cure found, but i want it to be real, and reproducible, and verifiable! i'll feed them dandelions with cheese and jalapeno sauce if it'll work! MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] on ringworm.
HA Love it. Gloria On Apr 15, 2010, at 7:49 PM, MaryChristine wrote: re: ringworm, your vet is uncommonly wise. if you read all the professional literature, including the small print, it all boils down to: goes away with treatment in x number of months (depending on treatment); goes away without treatment in three months. shelters and rescues all over the country KILL cats for having ringworm; many cats are immune to it, or break out once and then develop an immunity, and there seems to be a genetic component to it, too--persians and himmies will probably be shown to be predisposed to it. there's even an ingrown form of it only seen in persians, himalayans (and one dog) ringworm spores, like cockroaches, will outlive us all, and sit around campfires munching on twinkies milennia after the human race has died out. just saying. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] update on Whimsy
thanks, Heather, yes I think it's looking like seasonal allergies since it was triggered when we had our first snow melt. I didn't know him last Spring so I cannot tell what he went thru then. good reasons to bring him in:) --- On Fri, 4/16/10, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote: From: Heather furrygi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] update on Whimsy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 8:56 AM This sounds similar to a lot of allergy, or flea allergy, hair loss we've seen in outdoor cats here. Even if there aren't apparent fleas, allergic reactions can be triggered by just oneand of course, it could also be seasonal type allergies. Glad he is doing well! On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.comwrote: yes, and I brought up demodex too, but they said it wasn't that. I brought my gentian violet to show the vet and she said 'why not' - she's a great dr, because she is open to new ideas. he is a survivior :) and it's an honor to care for him:) --- On Thu, 4/15/10, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] update on Whimsy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 6:50 PM This sounds very good. Did the vet ever suggest demodex mite as the cause of the itching and fur loss? My vet says it's almost impossible to test for ringworm. He doesn't even test anymore. He tends to treat small patches with human fungal cream and larger patches with an oral medication. Whimsy sounds like a survivor! Thanks for taking care of him! L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 6:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] update on Whimsy Whimsy - (the outdoor, used to be feral FeLV little boy who had a scary jerking/twitching episode a few weeks back you might recall) - had his check up and everything was normal. His bloodwork and stool came back normal too. His skin has been his only issue - he was bald on the left side, then the right, now it's down to his tail. This is the 8th week of this, and I had figured it was ringworm. He has no fleas nor mites, and the clinic didn't think it was ringworm, but of course tested him (it's ongoing, for those who aren't familiar - they put it in a jar, and see if it grows) It may have been self limiting and somehow he cleared it. Or, it could be severe allergies. He is a long hair (so hard to be an outside baby with long fur!) and matted so severely in the winter (before I could touch him) that it's also possible this is why there was hair loss. His itching is severe but the skin now is normal (used to have lesions) He hates fish oil, I was hoping he would take it to soothe the inflamation. My vet was surprised that everything was normal, since his IFA was positive, too. Or, can it be that if the immune system is just so out of whack it can't even register in the bloodwork? His heart/lungs/lymph nodes, etc are all normal too. We think he is just under 2 years old. He lost 7 ounces, but that was since the neutering in Jan, and could be normal. He's got a set up in the shed, but likes to sleep right on the patio and back door stoop; I am also showing him the sunroom, and he's slowly checking it out, so I hope he can stay in there. He's no longer terrified of ceilings, but only cautious, and is understanding that 'inside is good'. Every time I take him to the vet, he gets more loving, like he knows we are trying to help him. I guess I will take his results as good news for now, and try to be as preventative as we can. thanks for everyone's help. He's such an adorable character, with a high pitched meeew and jade green eyes. And he knows his daddy now too, and made sure he fell in love with him too (he seemed to know that was the ticket to getting 'in') Shannon ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] update on Whimsy
Interesting. I'm always a believer in Gentian Violet for ringworm and skin problems as well as Golden Seal. I first learned about Gentian Violet because when my dad was burned in the mid 1940's they used on some of his skin problems. Then in the 1950's my grandmother said to use it on ringworm. Guess my point is it's an old remedy lol. Anyhow, I have a siamese mix kitty, Dusty Blue, who's developed these weird skin problems that developed over the winter and into spring. Too much for Gentian Violet, which rubs purple on it's surroundings; and Golden Seal didn't work. One of our vets said here try this. And it was miconazole. So whenever I see a spot developing on Dusty's back or belly, I head for the Myconazol. I don't bathe him in it, just get a wet cloth and put some on it and then on Dusty. Works great. And none of the other cats have gotten it, whatever it is. Think it's almost gone. Gloria On Apr 16, 2010, at 6:08 PM, Emeraldkittee wrote: thanks, Heather, yes I think it's looking like seasonal allergies since it was triggered when we had our first snow melt. I didn't know him last Spring so I cannot tell what he went thru then. good reasons to bring him in:) --- On Fri, 4/16/10, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote: From: Heather furrygi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] update on Whimsy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 8:56 AM This sounds similar to a lot of allergy, or flea allergy, hair loss we've seen in outdoor cats here. Even if there aren't apparent fleas, allergic reactions can be triggered by just oneand of course, it could also be seasonal type allergies. Glad he is doing well! On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com wrote: yes, and I brought up demodex too, but they said it wasn't that. I brought my gentian violet to show the vet and she said 'why not' - she's a great dr, because she is open to new ideas. he is a survivior :) and it's an honor to care for him:) --- On Thu, 4/15/10, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] update on Whimsy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 6:50 PM This sounds very good. Did the vet ever suggest demodex mite as the cause of the itching and fur loss? My vet says it's almost impossible to test for ringworm. He doesn't even test anymore. He tends to treat small patches with human fungal cream and larger patches with an oral medication. Whimsy sounds like a survivor! Thanks for taking care of him! L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 6:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] update on Whimsy Whimsy - (the outdoor, used to be feral FeLV little boy who had a scary jerking/twitching episode a few weeks back you might recall) - had his check up and everything was normal. His bloodwork and stool came back normal too. His skin has been his only issue - he was bald on the left side, then the right, now it's down to his tail. This is the 8th week of this, and I had figured it was ringworm. He has no fleas nor mites, and the clinic didn't think it was ringworm, but of course tested him (it's ongoing, for those who aren't familiar - they put it in a jar, and see if it grows) It may have been self limiting and somehow he cleared it. Or, it could be severe allergies. He is a long hair (so hard to be an outside baby with long fur!) and matted so severely in the winter (before I could touch him) that it's also possible this is why there was hair loss. His itching is severe but the skin now is normal (used to have lesions) He hates fish oil, I was hoping he would take it to soothe the inflamation. My vet was surprised that everything was normal, since his IFA was positive, too. Or, can it be that if the immune system is just so out of whack it can't even register in the bloodwork? His heart/lungs/lymph nodes, etc are all normal too. We think he is just under 2 years old. He lost 7 ounces, but that was since the neutering in Jan, and could be normal. He's got a set up in the shed, but likes to sleep right on the patio and back door stoop; I am also showing him the sunroom, and he's slowly checking it out, so I hope he can stay in there. He's no longer terrified of ceilings, but only cautious, and is understanding that 'inside is good'. Every time I take him to the vet, he gets more loving, like he knows we are trying to help him. I guess I will take his results as good news for now, and try to be as preventative as we can. thanks for everyone's help. He's such an adorable character, with a high pitched meeew and jade green eyes. And he knows his daddy now too, and made sure he fell in love with him too (he
Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv
Good luck feeding your cats dandelions with cheese and jalapeno sauce... On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:20 PM, MaryChristine wrote: i realize that there are a group of folks who insist that FIV and AIDS are totally analogous; what i've found out is that the major researchers continuing in this line are followers of the folks who first identified the virus as an individual entity in either 86 or 87, during the panic surrounding HIV/AIDS. there was nothing wrong with their thinking (hoping) they'd found an animal model that could help with the human condition, but after awhile, most researchers (and research) showed that FeLV more closely resembles HIV/AIDS than FIV does. however, the name has never been changed, and that in itself continues to kill cats everywhere. i know that they put cats on the HIV/AIDS cocktails of AZT and other drugs they use in humans; and continue to insist that the research that most researchers have come to accept is wrong. the analogy of FIV=HIV/AIDS was a great HYPOTHESIS, but that's how knowledge grows--we hypothesize something, we test it, and if the research doesn't bear it out, we update. it seems that this one group of folks who did identify FIV originally are just too invested in their original hypotheses. thanks for the link, and please do let us know what you find out. i really do want there to be a treatment or cure found, but i want it to be real, and reproducible, and verifiable! i'll feed them dandelions with cheese and jalapeno sauce if it'll work! MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv
c'mon, gloria, tell me you wouldn't try it, too, if you thought it'd work! (and my first calico LOVED hot sauce, so who can tell--of course, i'd boil the dandelions first to remove the bitterness.) On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.netwrote: Good luck feeding your cats dandelions with cheese and jalapeno sauce... -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] update on Whimsy
along that same vine, when you catch ringyworm FROM your cats (which can happen even without them having any symptoms if you're susceptible--maybe i AM genetically a persian, after all.) miconazole works great for the human, too as will any over-the-counter fungal cream, actually. i always forget about gentian violet, tho i think that i have always related it more to burns than to other skin problems (actually, i just always loved the sound of, gentian violet as a term.) MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] on ringworm.
i've been threatening for years to make up a t-shirt that says, Ringworm Happens. On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.netwrote: HA Love it. Gloria On Apr 15, 2010, at 7:49 PM, MaryChristine wrote: re: ringworm, your vet is uncommonly wise. if you read all the professional literature, including the small print, it all boils down to: goes away with treatment in x number of months (depending on treatment); goes away without treatment in three months. shelters and rescues all over the country KILL cats for having ringworm; many cats are immune to it, or break out once and then develop an immunity, and there seems to be a genetic component to it, too--persians and himmies will probably be shown to be predisposed to it. there's even an ingrown form of it only seen in persians, himalayans (and one dog) ringworm spores, like cockroaches, will outlive us all, and sit around campfires munching on twinkies milennia after the human race has died out. just saying. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue ( www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
