Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question
In-house tests results are limited, and I would do the more sophisticated one that is sent to the lab. However, before getting that urinalysis back with results, I would not sign up for an X-ray before it is determined that one is absolutely required! Yes, this vet does seem to do it for the money! My vet always does one step at a time, and based on the last step, if needed, proceeds to the next. Many vets like to do ALL of them at one time! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cindy McHugh Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 11:24 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] UTI Question This is a little off topic, but please forgive me. My email is acting up and I've been unsubbed from my more "general" cat discussion list. I'm fostering a neutered male cat that is urinating outside of the litterbox. This was one of the reasons he was relinquished several months ago - and one of the reasons his former owner kept him in a basement for 3 years. He seemed to be doing well here and was overcoming some of his other issues (aggression and obsessive licking/chewing), but he urinated on my bed about 2 months ago and then on an upholstered chair. I was fostering 2 dogs at the time and attributed it to stress over the dogs. They were adopted and all was well until a couple days ago. He's urinated on a chair and on the bare floor 3 times in the past 2 days. There's large amounts of urnie, no trace of blood, and he does also use his litterbox. I don't think he has a UTI based on his past behavior, but I thought I'd run him to the vet to be sure. I'm not at home, so I used a clinic that is relatively new to me and I was surprised by what I was told, so I thought I'd run it by you folks... In the past, when I've suspected a UTI in a dog or cat, I simply took a urine sample (dog) or took the cat and they obtained one, checked it, and gave me an answer and antibiotic if needed. The vet today told me they could do an "in house" check, but it wouldn't really give us much information and I advised I send it away for a culture. She also suggested they x-ray his abdomen to check for stones. This is not my cat, but it is in the care of a rescue I co-founded. We want to do what's necessary to help the cat, but we don't have extra funds for tests/procedures that are not necessary. If I had seen my regular vet (at home) and she suggested these procedures, I wouldn't hesitate, but I get the feeling this vet is more interested in money. The other reason I say this is because we just spent more than $100 on flea products recommended by another vet in this office. When I mentioned today that the Frontline doesn't seem to be helping the flea situation, the vet and tech both said they've had many, many complaints about Frontline this summer and agreed that it's ineffective (in this area, anyway). The vet said the fleas laugh at Frontline. They suggested I purchase another flea product (V-something, I didn't catch the name). They said it's the same price, but much more effective. This is the same place that swore by, and sold me, Frontline about a week ago. They're holding the urine sample overnight because I wanted to see what tests the cat had by his prior owner. (I didn't have the vet records with me at the time.) If he needs the culture and x-rays, I'll have it done. But I don't want to spend the rescue's very limited funds needlessly. Any input would be most welcome. The cat is NOT FeLV+. Thank you for your time. Cindy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] DMG
The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth. We have quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the side of their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in front - and looks adorable. We have some real oldtimers here - started out feral and are mushes now. Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful I am always surprised how toothless cats just love dry food! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live trapped for neutering. The vet called me after they put him under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth. She checked his teeth and they were totally awful. Most of them were pulled. The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing his opinion. He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the clan and is so handsome. He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most of the time. He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous cats. Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not quantity of his life. As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+. On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: > Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses > in a bad > mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of > the body's > systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all > of their > babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc. > > Diane R. > > -Original Message- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG > > Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I > don't know > his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male > brought in > from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very > sick > kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat". One is a year out from the > extraction, the other is 2 years out, both are doing so well! Both > of > those guys were negative. My friend's kitty is doing wonderfully, > too, and > his full mouth extraction was done by our humane society low-cost > clinic for > a fraction of what my guys were done for--most low cost clinics > probably > can't do that, though. > > All 3 of these guys now also eat dry food, by their own liking, I > couldn't > believe it. > > On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Natalie wrote: > >> Your cats had stomatitis? And it helped having all teeth removed? >> The problem with doing this to a cat with immunodeficiencies is (ours >> is >> FIV+, which is better than FeLV+) obviously slightly more risky! It >> FIV+does >> sound rather drastic, doesn't it? >> We have several old cats without teeth, and they look like they're >> chomping a way at dry food...they just swallow it and love it more >> than canned food at times. >> Natalie >> >> -Original Message- >> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org >> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather >> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:18 AM >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG >> >> Hope the DMG proves to be helpful, but just thought I'd mention the 3 >> we've had who had full mouth extractions were like new cats >> afterwards, and have done wonderfully ever since. They were not FELV >> cats, though. >> >> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Natalie wrote: >> >>> Has any vet ever suggested using DMG (N, N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE)for FeLV+ >> cats? >>> >>> I AM USING IT ON A FIV+ CAT THAT HAS PAINFUL STOMATITIS IN THE >>> MOUTH, TO THE POINT WHERE HE COULDN'T EAT; FIV/FeLV+ cats often get >>> that condition, and unfortunately, the only suggested and supposedly >>> appropriate thing is to have their teeth pulled by a specialist, >>> with special emphasis on >> cleaning >>> out the areas extremely well. My vet says that he doesn't like >>> doing it because often it doesn't help at all, so we are trying DMG. >>> >>> I am using the liquid form, but it apparently also comes in >>> different forms. >>> >>> >>> >>> It has many clinical uses and a variety of applications: >>> >>> http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=N%2C+N-DIMETHYLGLYCIN >>> E >>> >>> ___ >>> Felvtalk mailing list >>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felv
Re: [Felvtalk] UTI Question
My first thought was, how many litter boxes does he have access to? When I had one cat, he urinated on my bed too (thank goodness I buy the waterproof mattress pad) and that was his way of telling me he wanted another. This is what my vet advised me. He got another box and he has been fine ever since. Now I have another kitty, therefore, I got another litter box. My vet said the rule is one litter box for every cat, plus one! My cat was an exception at the time he was an only cat. Also, every two weeks, I empty all the litter boxes, disinfect them with liquid lysol, dry them thoroughly and fill them again with litter. This has helped as well. It's work, but it's better than cat urine on carpets, beds, sofas, etc. I hope nothing is medically wrong with him. Good luck, and keep us posted :) Lynda - Original Message - From: "Cindy McHugh" To: Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 10:23 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] UTI Question This is a little off topic, but please forgive me. My email is acting up and I've been unsubbed from my more "general" cat discussion list. I'm fostering a neutered male cat that is urinating outside of the litterbox. This was one of the reasons he was relinquished several months ago - and one of the reasons his former owner kept him in a basement for 3 years. He seemed to be doing well here and was overcoming some of his other issues (aggression and obsessive licking/chewing), but he urinated on my bed about 2 months ago and then on an upholstered chair. I was fostering 2 dogs at the time and attributed it to stress over the dogs. They were adopted and all was well until a couple days ago. He's urinated on a chair and on the bare floor 3 times in the past 2 days. There's large amounts of urnie, no trace of blood, and he does also use his litterbox. I don't think he has a UTI based on his past behavior, but I thought I'd run him to the vet to be sure. I'm not at home, so I used a clinic that is relatively new to me and I was surprised by what I was told, so I thought I'd run it by you folks... In the past, when I've suspected a UTI in a dog or cat, I simply took a urine sample (dog) or took the cat and they obtained one, checked it, and gave me an answer and antibiotic if needed. The vet today told me they could do an "in house" check, but it wouldn't really give us much information and I advised I send it away for a culture. She also suggested they x-ray his abdomen to check for stones. This is not my cat, but it is in the care of a rescue I co-founded. We want to do what's necessary to help the cat, but we don't have extra funds for tests/procedures that are not necessary. If I had seen my regular vet (at home) and she suggested these procedures, I wouldn't hesitate, but I get the feeling this vet is more interested in money. The other reason I say this is because we just spent more than $100 on flea products recommended by another vet in this office. When I mentioned today that the Frontline doesn't seem to be helping the flea situation, the vet and tech both said they've had many, many complaints about Frontline this summer and agreed that it's ineffective (in this area, anyway). The vet said the fleas laugh at Frontline. They suggested I purchase another flea product (V-something, I didn't catch the name). They said it's the same price, but much more effective. This is the same place that swore by, and sold me, Frontline about a week ago. They're holding the urine sample overnight because I wanted to see what tests the cat had by his prior owner. (I didn't have the vet records with me at the time.) If he needs the culture and x-rays, I'll have it done. But I don't want to spend the rescue's very limited funds needlessly. Any input would be most welcome. The cat is NOT FeLV+. Thank you for your time. Cindy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] UTI Question
This is a little off topic, but please forgive me. My email is acting up and I've been unsubbed from my more "general" cat discussion list. I'm fostering a neutered male cat that is urinating outside of the litterbox. This was one of the reasons he was relinquished several months ago - and one of the reasons his former owner kept him in a basement for 3 years. He seemed to be doing well here and was overcoming some of his other issues (aggression and obsessive licking/chewing), but he urinated on my bed about 2 months ago and then on an upholstered chair. I was fostering 2 dogs at the time and attributed it to stress over the dogs. They were adopted and all was well until a couple days ago. He's urinated on a chair and on the bare floor 3 times in the past 2 days. There's large amounts of urnie, no trace of blood, and he does also use his litterbox. I don't think he has a UTI based on his past behavior, but I thought I'd run him to the vet to be sure. I'm not at home, so I used a clinic that is relatively new to me and I was surprised by what I was told, so I thought I'd run it by you folks... In the past, when I've suspected a UTI in a dog or cat, I simply took a urine sample (dog) or took the cat and they obtained one, checked it, and gave me an answer and antibiotic if needed. The vet today told me they could do an "in house" check, but it wouldn't really give us much information and I advised I send it away for a culture. She also suggested they x-ray his abdomen to check for stones. This is not my cat, but it is in the care of a rescue I co-founded. We want to do what's necessary to help the cat, but we don't have extra funds for tests/procedures that are not necessary. If I had seen my regular vet (at home) and she suggested these procedures, I wouldn't hesitate, but I get the feeling this vet is more interested in money. The other reason I say this is because we just spent more than $100 on flea products recommended by another vet in this office. When I mentioned today that the Frontline doesn't seem to be helping the flea situation, the vet and tech both said they've had many, many complaints about Frontline this summer and agreed that it's ineffective (in this area, anyway). The vet said the fleas laugh at Frontline. They suggested I purchase another flea product (V-something, I didn't catch the name). They said it's the same price, but much more effective. This is the same place that swore by, and sold me, Frontline about a week ago. They're holding the urine sample overnight because I wanted to see what tests the cat had by his prior owner. (I didn't have the vet records with me at the time.) If he needs the culture and x-rays, I'll have it done. But I don't want to spend the rescue's very limited funds needlessly. Any input would be most welcome. The cat is NOT FeLV+. Thank you for your time. Cindy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] DMG
Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live trapped for neutering. The vet called me after they put him under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth. She checked his teeth and they were totally awful. Most of them were pulled. The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing his opinion. He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the clan and is so handsome. He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most of the time. He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous cats. Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not quantity of his life. As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+. On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses in a bad mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of the body's systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all of their babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I don't know his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male brought in from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very sick kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat". One is a year out from the extraction, the other is 2 years out, both are doing so well! Both of those guys were negative. My friend's kitty is doing wonderfully, too, and his full mouth extraction was done by our humane society low-cost clinic for a fraction of what my guys were done for--most low cost clinics probably can't do that, though. All 3 of these guys now also eat dry food, by their own liking, I couldn't believe it. On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Natalie wrote: Your cats had stomatitis? And it helped having all teeth removed? The problem with doing this to a cat with immunodeficiencies is (ours is FIV+, which is better than FeLV+) obviously slightly more risky! It FIV+does sound rather drastic, doesn't it? We have several old cats without teeth, and they look like they're chomping a way at dry food...they just swallow it and love it more than canned food at times. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:18 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Hope the DMG proves to be helpful, but just thought I'd mention the 3 we've had who had full mouth extractions were like new cats afterwards, and have done wonderfully ever since. They were not FELV cats, though. On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Natalie wrote: Has any vet ever suggested using DMG (N, N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE)for FeLV+ cats? I AM USING IT ON A FIV+ CAT THAT HAS PAINFUL STOMATITIS IN THE MOUTH, TO THE POINT WHERE HE COULDN'T EAT; FIV/FeLV+ cats often get that condition, and unfortunately, the only suggested and supposedly appropriate thing is to have their teeth pulled by a specialist, with special emphasis on cleaning out the areas extremely well. My vet says that he doesn't like doing it because often it doesn't help at all, so we are trying DMG. I am using the liquid form, but it apparently also comes in different forms. It has many clinical uses and a variety of applications: http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=N%2C+N-DIMETHYLGLYCIN E ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.o rg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Pet meds for humans
On 07-07, Cindy McHugh wrote: > Hi Kat, > > I don't know about buying it in Mexico, but when I had an infected tooth > recently, I did some research and ordered Fish Mox online. From everything > I read, it's the same stuff that's prescribed by doctors and vets. Oddly > enough, if my pets are sick, I won't take a chance and I take them to the > vet, but for myself, I'm willing to compromise a bit. > > Cindy I can identify with that Cindy. I recently got a bad cat bite and used large dog size Clavamox. It is the exact same thing as human Augmentin, which is the antibiotic recommended for cat bites. My arm was all swollen up after the bite but the Clavamox worked great and I saved money on a doctor bill and the Augmentin. The last time I was bitten it cost me $95. for the doctor and $45. for the Augmentin. Animal and vet meds are usually the same, but have different names, so the trick is knowing which is which, what works, and how much to take for how long. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] [Norton AntiSpam]Re: Amoxi
Thank you - that's great information! I always end up buying meds in Mexico for all my animal rescue friends - now, they will be able to get them here. I should compare prices. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 8:23 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: katofo...@gmail.com Subject: [Norton AntiSpam]Re: [Felvtalk] Amoxi HERE IS THE INFORMATION YOU NEED ABOUT ORDERING PET MEDS ON LINE WITHOUT A PRESCRIPTION. Three websites are listed below - None require presciptions www.petshed.com -- Advantage, revolution, Profender (new topical dewormer) www.revivalanimal.com -- vaccines, Drontal dewormer www.1drugstore-online.com -- antibiotics, antiprotozoal, assorted other meds All great prices and very reliable. 1drugstore-online is based in Thailand and petshed.com is in Australia so usually with the first order your bank will want to verify that it is not a fraudalent charge so don't be surprised to get a call from your bank with your first overseas purchase. Amoxi can be bought in the US without a prescription. Buy Fish Mox. This is the same amoxicillin as any other, it is just packaged for fish and requires no script. It comes in 250 mg or 500 mg capsules. The dose for cats is 5 to 10 mg per pound once or twice a day. I usually open the capsules and mix 2.5 ml of water for each 250 mg capsule, so each .5 ml of the mix is a 50 mg dose for average cat. You might want to mix it with 5 ml of water per 250 mg capsule so it would be easier to draw up the right dose for a small kitten. Once mixed, it must be refrigerated and will last about 10 days. Be sure to shake well before every dose as it separates very quickly. If you need more punch than that, you can get clavamox pills and zithromax capsules from overseas with no script. Be sure you know what to buy and what dosage to use before giving any meds. > On 07-06, katskat1 wrote: Where please and how do you purchase > Amoxicillin in Mexico? I buy the powder from my vet at her cost > which is outrageous so if I could get it from Mexico it would be a > God send to the small rescue I am co-founder of and maybe to her > too. And for my two FeLV+ kitties. > Thanks Kat A 2nd > Chance of Hillsboro, Ohio > katofo...@gmail.com > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
Actually, I have the name of a tetracycline that one can buy without prescription at pet supply stores...will try to find it. Yes, I heard that fish antibiotics are the sameisn't that strange that one can get them without prescription? They don't think that people would connect the dots! BTW - many of the drugs we buy here, are made in Mexico by US pharmaceutical companies that have plants there with cheap labor and good quality control! You would NOT be compromising your animals' health in any way! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cindy McHugh Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 7:46 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now Hi Kat, I don't know about buying it in Mexico, but when I had an infected tooth recently, I did some research and ordered Fish Mox online. From everything I read, it's the same stuff that's prescribed by doctors and vets. Oddly enough, if my pets are sick, I won't take a chance and I take them to the vet, but for myself, I'm willing to compromise a bit. Cindy - Original Message - From: "katskat1" To: Cc: "katofohio" Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now > Where please and how do you purchase Amoxicillin in Mexico? I buy the > powder from my vet at her cost which is outrageous so if I could get > it from Mexico it would be a God send to the small rescue I am > co-founder of and maybe to her too. > And for my two FeLV+ kitties I have a vet that provides human > interferon but if ANYONE finds a way to purchase Virbagen Interferon > Omega for us here in America to use, PLEASE share the info and help > save our furrbabies lives... > Thanks > Kat > A 2nd Chance of Hillsboro, Ohio > katofo...@gmail.com > > On 7/6/11, Natalie wrote: >> Do you know if the Interferon is available in Canada or Mexico? >> The FDA is a real joke. My husband retired from Pfizer International >> Marketing, and I've heard my share of things.those who have worked at >> big pharmas end up working at the FDA, and often the reverse is true to - >> very handy for them! >> All the antibiotics like Amoxicillin and Clavamox are pediatric oral >> suspension formulas, merely packaged for veterinary us - that's why they >> are >> ridiculously flavored with strawberry or pineapple type yuck that cats' >> certainly don't like, but are made to tolerate.I purchase those for a >> fraction of a cost in Mexico - vets charge us a fortune for the same >> thing, >> even though we get 50% discount. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org >> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ben Williams >> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 8:43 PM >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now >> >> http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/ >> >> You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference >> and >> the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of >> availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States. Why in >> the >> world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars >> worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug >> that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade >> everywhere >> else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies. >> Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and >> simple. >> However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse >> potential >> in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA >> and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package >> from >> Europe that contains the medication that I've been given permission to >> import, will be seized and held for months, only to lose its >> refrigeration >> and spoil. This is, of course, after I've spent about $1200 for the >> honor. >> >> >> So, I suggest that we all start calling and writing our congress-people >> and >> senators and demanding an immediate provisional approval be given for >> Virbagen Interferon Omega to be sold in the US. Heck, it's practically a >> cure for FiP as well! >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleuk
Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
We get interferon through vetcentric.com. It's cheap - about $15 for a bottle, but the cold pack overnight shipping brings it up to about $60. I've got two bottles if anyone needs any... -- My iPhone told me to send this message. -- On Jul 7, 2011, at 8:19 AM, Natalie wrote: > Any local pharmacy. Until last year, one could buy it even more cheaply at > places like Costco or Sam's Club pharmacies in Mexico - but I have a feeling > that US big pharma had something to do with the law that one cannot purchase > antibiotics without a prescription anymore probably because they found that > too many US visitors were getting it cheaply there. Locals can still get it > without prescription because a pharmacist is like a doctor to them. So, we > just go to a small pharmacy and ask for it. A bottle of the powder that > makes 5 small ones that we get at the vet, used to cost about $10, but at > local little places it could be as much as $15 (still a bargain!). Did you > know that veterinarians can often get it for as little as $1.50? There's a > huge markup on the drugs they sell to their customers. One of our vets > charges us (with a discount) as much as $30 (my vet $18), so I can imagine > the huge range of prices all over the country - I guess they do what the > market and geographical area according to cost of living can bear! > How does your vet get human interferon? > > -Original Message- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1 > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 11:11 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Cc: katofohio > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now > > Where please and how do you purchase Amoxicillin in Mexico? I buy the > powder from my vet at her cost which is outrageous so if I could get > it from Mexico it would be a God send to the small rescue I am > co-founder of and maybe to her too. > And for my two FeLV+ kitties I have a vet that provides human > interferon but if ANYONE finds a way to purchase Virbagen Interferon > Omega for us here in America to use, PLEASE share the info and help > save our furrbabies lives... > Thanks > Kat > A 2nd Chance of Hillsboro, Ohio > katofo...@gmail.com > > On 7/6/11, Natalie wrote: >> Do you know if the Interferon is available in Canada or Mexico? >> The FDA is a real joke. My husband retired from Pfizer International >> Marketing, and I've heard my share of things.those who have worked at >> big pharmas end up working at the FDA, and often the reverse is true to - >> very handy for them! >> All the antibiotics like Amoxicillin and Clavamox are pediatric oral >> suspension formulas, merely packaged for veterinary us - that's why they > are >> ridiculously flavored with strawberry or pineapple type yuck that cats' >> certainly don't like, but are made to tolerate.I purchase those for a >> fraction of a cost in Mexico - vets charge us a fortune for the same > thing, >> even though we get 50% discount. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org >> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ben Williams >> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 8:43 PM >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now >> >> http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/ >> >> You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference and >> the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of >> availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States. Why in > the >> world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars >> worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug >> that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade > everywhere >> else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies. >> Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and > simple. >> However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse > potential >> in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA >> and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package > from >> Europe that contains the medication that I've been given permission to >> import, will be seized and held for months, only to lose its refrigeration >> and spoil. This is, of course, after I've spent about $1200 for the > honor. >> >> >> So, I suggest that we all start calling and writing our congress-people > and >> senators and demanding an immediate provisional approval be given for >> Virbagen Interferon Omega to be sold in the US. Heck, it's practically a >> cure for FiP as well! >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@feline
Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
Any local pharmacy. Until last year, one could buy it even more cheaply at places like Costco or Sam's Club pharmacies in Mexico - but I have a feeling that US big pharma had something to do with the law that one cannot purchase antibiotics without a prescription anymore probably because they found that too many US visitors were getting it cheaply there. Locals can still get it without prescription because a pharmacist is like a doctor to them. So, we just go to a small pharmacy and ask for it. A bottle of the powder that makes 5 small ones that we get at the vet, used to cost about $10, but at local little places it could be as much as $15 (still a bargain!). Did you know that veterinarians can often get it for as little as $1.50? There's a huge markup on the drugs they sell to their customers. One of our vets charges us (with a discount) as much as $30 (my vet $18), so I can imagine the huge range of prices all over the country - I guess they do what the market and geographical area according to cost of living can bear! How does your vet get human interferon? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 11:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: katofohio Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now Where please and how do you purchase Amoxicillin in Mexico? I buy the powder from my vet at her cost which is outrageous so if I could get it from Mexico it would be a God send to the small rescue I am co-founder of and maybe to her too. And for my two FeLV+ kitties I have a vet that provides human interferon but if ANYONE finds a way to purchase Virbagen Interferon Omega for us here in America to use, PLEASE share the info and help save our furrbabies lives... Thanks Kat A 2nd Chance of Hillsboro, Ohio katofo...@gmail.com On 7/6/11, Natalie wrote: > Do you know if the Interferon is available in Canada or Mexico? > The FDA is a real joke. My husband retired from Pfizer International > Marketing, and I've heard my share of things.those who have worked at > big pharmas end up working at the FDA, and often the reverse is true to - > very handy for them! > All the antibiotics like Amoxicillin and Clavamox are pediatric oral > suspension formulas, merely packaged for veterinary us - that's why they are > ridiculously flavored with strawberry or pineapple type yuck that cats' > certainly don't like, but are made to tolerate.I purchase those for a > fraction of a cost in Mexico - vets charge us a fortune for the same thing, > even though we get 50% discount. > > -Original Message- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ben Williams > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 8:43 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now > > http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/ > > You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference and > the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of > availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States. Why in the > world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars > worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug > that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade everywhere > else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies. > Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and simple. > However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse potential > in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA > and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package from > Europe that contains the medication that I've been given permission to > import, will be seized and held for months, only to lose its refrigeration > and spoil. This is, of course, after I've spent about $1200 for the honor. > > > So, I suggest that we all start calling and writing our congress-people and > senators and demanding an immediate provisional approval be given for > Virbagen Interferon Omega to be sold in the US. Heck, it's practically a > cure for FiP as well! > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
Winn Foundation is legit and does a lot of good, I know they give grants for FIP research, but I think they do grants for other cat health issues as well. If you go to their home page and click on "Grants" you can see listings for what they have funded. Each year they put out a list of what projects they have funded. I didn't see anything for FeLV in 2010, but there was one grant for improving lymphoma treatment. My vet made a contribution in honor of my kitten when she died of FIP. Beth N. On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Natalie wrote: > I have no idea...do you know what exactly they do? What's their website - > let's look into it. > > -Original Message- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ben Williams > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 7:34 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now > > Doesnt the Wynn Foundation do a lot of good work for cats? > > -- My iPhone told me to send this message. -- > > On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:15 PM, Natalie wrote: > >> I have no idea - maybe we should all do some searches to see what's out >> there and ask a lot of questions! I'd hate to donate to anyone who merely >> uses cats for the sake of research; I'd like to see if there's someplace >> where they actually treat FeLV+ cats while trying for a cure, not mere >> research for research sake and getting their hands on grant money. I > should >> ask my veterinarian, he was co-founder of AVAR (Association of > Veterinarians >> for Animal Rights, now part of HSUS) whether he is aware of any real and >> constructive research done on FeLV. >> In the 90s, Cleveland Amory was on a show debating a researcher who got >> lucrative grants for animal experiments, and not really contributing to >> anything specific - just useless stuff! Cleveland asked him about a >> specific case (Please note: it was made up at that moment to see how >> ridiculous and irrelevant some research is!), describing a really > grotesque >> scenario of one cat's eye sewn shut, while the other was sewn so it > couldn't >> close, electrodes attached to the forehead, tail cut off, feeding tube >> inserted, etc. The researcher started defending every bit of it without a >> blink of an eye. When he finished, Cleveland boomed "Aha, I knew you > would >> defend just about anything to get your hands on grant money; I just made > the >> whole thing up!" >> BTW- Cleveland Amory was my very first adopter of a kitten that I trapped > at >> the Greenwich dump in 1992 - Tiger Bear, an pale orange tabby with golden >> eyes (after his beloved white cat Polar Bear died). >> Natalie >> >> -Original Message- >> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org >> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson >> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 6:54 PM >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now >> >> You are most certainly correct, Natalie! Anyone know of a Feline Leukemia >> Society to donate to? Is there a group of scientists that are trying to >> find a cure or a better treatment plan for this deadly disease? Our poor >> babies!! >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Natalie" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 2:41 PM >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now >> >> >>> It is always so sad to hear about any of our little furries succumbing to >>> this horrible disease; I just wish that there were more available to help >>> them to feel better or get well. One would think, that after all these >>> years, there would be more hope for them! What is it about this disease >>> that >>> makes it so complicated? So many different symptoms that mimic other >>> thingsdoes anyone out there care to find a cure? >>> I am so sorry to hear about all of the crossings over the rainbow bridge! >>> Natalie >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org >>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cindy McHugh >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 1:31 PM >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now >>> >>> Dear Cathy and Mark, >>> >>> I didn't realize you lost your little Cali. I'm so sorry for your loss, >>> but >>> I'm glad that Cali got to know your love and kindess. As I said to Ben, I >>> pray you find comfort in knowing she's now happy and healthy. And when > you >>> consider that you'll have eternity together, this separation is but a >>> speck >>> of time. Cali just turned a corner before you did and one day, you'll > turn >>> that corner and there she'll be. She's not gone...just gone ahead. >>> >>> You're in my thoughts and prayers, >>> Cindy >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 12:00 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now >>> >>> Ben, I gues
Re: [Felvtalk] Amoxi
HERE IS THE INFORMATION YOU NEED ABOUT ORDERING PET MEDS ON LINE WITHOUT A PRESCRIPTION. Three websites are listed below - None require presciptions www.petshed.com -- Advantage, revolution, Profender (new topical dewormer) www.revivalanimal.com -- vaccines, Drontal dewormer www.1drugstore-online.com -- antibiotics, antiprotozoal, assorted other meds All great prices and very reliable. 1drugstore-online is based in Thailand and petshed.com is in Australia so usually with the first order your bank will want to verify that it is not a fraudalent charge so don't be surprised to get a call from your bank with your first overseas purchase. Amoxi can be bought in the US without a prescription. Buy Fish Mox. This is the same amoxicillin as any other, it is just packaged for fish and requires no script. It comes in 250 mg or 500 mg capsules. The dose for cats is 5 to 10 mg per pound once or twice a day. I usually open the capsules and mix 2.5 ml of water for each 250 mg capsule, so each .5 ml of the mix is a 50 mg dose for average cat. You might want to mix it with 5 ml of water per 250 mg capsule so it would be easier to draw up the right dose for a small kitten. Once mixed, it must be refrigerated and will last about 10 days. Be sure to shake well before every dose as it separates very quickly. If you need more punch than that, you can get clavamox pills and zithromax capsules from overseas with no script. Be sure you know what to buy and what dosage to use before giving any meds. > On 07-06, katskat1 wrote: Where please and how do you purchase > Amoxicillin in Mexico? I buy the powder from my vet at her cost > which is outrageous so if I could get it from Mexico it would be a > God send to the small rescue I am co-founder of and maybe to her > too. And for my two FeLV+ kitties. > Thanks Kat A 2nd > Chance of Hillsboro, Ohio > katofo...@gmail.com > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Amoxi
HERE IS ALL THE INFORMATION YOU NEED ABOUT ORDERING PET MEDS ON LINE WITHOUT A PRESCRIPTION. Three websites listed below - None require presciptions www.petshed.com -- Advantage, revolution, Profender (new topical dewormer) www.revivalanimal.com -- vaccines, Drontal dewormer www.1drugstore-online.com -- antibiotics, antiprotozoal, assorted other meds All great prices and very reliable. 1drugstore-online is based in Thailand and petshed.com is in Australia so usually with the first order your bank will want to verify that it is not a fraudalent charge so don't be surprised to get a call from your bank with your first overseas purchase. Amoxi can be bought in the US without a prescription. Buy Fish Mox. This is the same amoxicillin as any other, it is just packaged for fish and requires no script. It comes in 250 mg or 500 mg capsules. The dose for cats is 5 to 10 mg per pound once or twice a day. I usually open the capsules and mix 2.5 ml of water for each 250 mg capsule, so each .5 ml of the mix is a 50 mg dose for average cat. You might want to mix it with 5 ml of water per 250 mg capsule so it would be easier to draw up the right dose for a small kitten. Once mixed, it must be refrigerated and will last about 10 days. Be sure to shake well before every dose as it separates very quickly. If you need more punch than that, you can get clavamox pills and zithromax capsules from overseas with no script. Be sure you know what to buy and what dosage to use before giving any meds. On 07-06, katskat1 wrote: > Where please and how do you purchase Amoxicillin in Mexico? I buy the > powder from my vet at her cost which is outrageous so if I could get > it from Mexico it would be a God send to the small rescue I am > co-founder of and maybe to her too. > And for my two FeLV+ kitties I have a vet that provides human > interferon but if ANYONE finds a way to purchase Virbagen Interferon > Omega for us here in America to use, PLEASE share the info and help > save our furrbabies lives... > Thanks > Kat > A 2nd Chance of Hillsboro, Ohio > katofo...@gmail.com > > On 7/6/11, Natalie wrote: > > Do you know if the Interferon is available in Canada or Mexico? > > The FDA is a real joke. My husband retired from Pfizer International > > Marketing, and I've heard my share of things.those who have worked at > > big pharmas end up working at the FDA, and often the reverse is true to - > > very handy for them! > > All the antibiotics like Amoxicillin and Clavamox are pediatric oral > > suspension formulas, merely packaged for veterinary us - that's why they are > > ridiculously flavored with strawberry or pineapple type yuck that cats' > > certainly don't like, but are made to tolerate.I purchase those for a > > fraction of a cost in Mexico - vets charge us a fortune for the same thing, > > even though we get 50% discount. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ben Williams > > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 8:43 PM > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now > > > > http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/ > > > > You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference and > > the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of > > availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States. Why in the > > world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars > > worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug > > that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade everywhere > > else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies. > > Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and simple. > > However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse potential > > in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA > > and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package from > > Europe that contains the medication that I've been given permission to > > import, will be seized and held for months, only to lose its refrigeration > > and spoil. This is, of course, after I've spent about $1200 for the honor. > > > > > > So, I suggest that we all start calling and writing our congress-people and > > senators and demanding an immediate provisional approval be given for > > Virbagen Interferon Omega to be sold in the US. Heck, it's practically a > > cure for FiP as well! > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > >
Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
Hi Kat, I don't know about buying it in Mexico, but when I had an infected tooth recently, I did some research and ordered Fish Mox online. From everything I read, it's the same stuff that's prescribed by doctors and vets. Oddly enough, if my pets are sick, I won't take a chance and I take them to the vet, but for myself, I'm willing to compromise a bit. Cindy - Original Message - From: "katskat1" To: Cc: "katofohio" Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now Where please and how do you purchase Amoxicillin in Mexico? I buy the powder from my vet at her cost which is outrageous so if I could get it from Mexico it would be a God send to the small rescue I am co-founder of and maybe to her too. And for my two FeLV+ kitties I have a vet that provides human interferon but if ANYONE finds a way to purchase Virbagen Interferon Omega for us here in America to use, PLEASE share the info and help save our furrbabies lives... Thanks Kat A 2nd Chance of Hillsboro, Ohio katofo...@gmail.com On 7/6/11, Natalie wrote: Do you know if the Interferon is available in Canada or Mexico? The FDA is a real joke. My husband retired from Pfizer International Marketing, and I've heard my share of things.those who have worked at big pharmas end up working at the FDA, and often the reverse is true to - very handy for them! All the antibiotics like Amoxicillin and Clavamox are pediatric oral suspension formulas, merely packaged for veterinary us - that's why they are ridiculously flavored with strawberry or pineapple type yuck that cats' certainly don't like, but are made to tolerate.I purchase those for a fraction of a cost in Mexico - vets charge us a fortune for the same thing, even though we get 50% discount. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ben Williams Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 8:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/ You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference and the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States. Why in the world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade everywhere else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies. Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and simple. However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse potential in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package from Europe that contains the medication that I've been given permission to import, will be seized and held for months, only to lose its refrigeration and spoil. This is, of course, after I've spent about $1200 for the honor. So, I suggest that we all start calling and writing our congress-people and senators and demanding an immediate provisional approval be given for Virbagen Interferon Omega to be sold in the US. Heck, it's practically a cure for FiP as well! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
