Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?/reply

[dlgegg]

I could use the links/recipe for my pride.  Right now they get dry duck 
alternated with canned and the mice,moles, voles and srews they catch outside.  
They very seldom get a bird because theya are too fast for them.  I have a 
neighbor who raises rabbits for food and I could get one from him.  I tried 
one, but just gave it to them and they backed off from it.  I think it was 
bigger than they are and that bothered them.  Found one recipe that said use 
ground meat, bones, organs, the whole animal.  Yes or no?  I have noticed that 
when they catch a mouse, or mole, they never eat the organs.  Any reason why?

 Kathryn Hargreaves  wrote: 
> The cheapest yet healthiest food I've found is raw that I mix up myself,
> using balanced recipes online  (I can send you links and my own recipe, if
> you like).   I buy at Whole Foods, so I'm paying about twice what you could
> otherwise---and I'm still only paying about half the amount of the best
> commercial canned food out there (currently Merrick Before Grain, even
> though Merrick has had some complaints about their dog food).   That's
> about 70 cents/day/cat, and you could probably be doing it for 35
> cents/day/cat.  You'll also save on vet bills for diabetes, etc., and they
> won't be as susceptible to urinary problems, which can kill a male in hours
> before you even notice it.
> 
> A local pet store gives me outdated raw and canned food.  (I refuse the dry
> food, as it's so bad for cats.)   If you let them know you're feeding
> ferals, one of yours may do the same.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 4:58 AM, Beth  wrote:
> 
> > Talk to local rescues. Our rescue strictly uses Science Diet, so when
> > people donate other kinds of food, they give it to volunteers or feral
> > feeders. Sometimes it's really high quality food, sometimes not.
> > We also have something called Daffy's Pet Soup Kitchen which provides food
> > to people who cannot afford it. There are 2 organizations like that in our
> > area.
> > The best thing to do would be to get friendly with a shelter that can
> > provide you with info on resources.
> >
> > Beth
> > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org 
> >
> >
> >   --
> > *From:* dot winkler 
> > *To:* "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 29, 2012 11:24 AM
> > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?/reply
> >
> > Hi Beth - how do I find out about places that donate food?  Or how do I
> > get it at cost?  I work alone and don't belong to an organization.  thanks,
> > Dot
> >
> >   --
> > *From:* Beth 
> > *To:* "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:58 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?
> >
> > Are there any places which donate food in your area? We have several in
> > Atlanta. Also rescues can sometimes get food to feral feeders at cost. You
> > could also set up a Chip-in for people to donate $ for food.
> >
> > Beth
> >
> > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org 
> >
> >
> >   --
> > *From:* dot winkler 
> > *To:* "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:21 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?
> >
> > Hi  I was reading your mail.  What did you mean about "that is the price
> > of free food?"  Do you receive food free for feeding the cats?  I do not
> > TNR.  I don't belong to any program.  Just my lone self feeding the 7 cats.
> >  (they are all neutered except 2 by someone else) I have spent so much
> > money on them each week.  Money I don't have.  It is getting to be a bad
> > situation for me.
> >
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> 
> If you can't adopt, then foster "bottle baby" shelter animal, to save their
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> 
> 
> If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
> to free up cage space.
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?/reply

[dlgegg]

Dot, I can relate to your cost situation, I don't have ferals, but 7 
indoor/outdoor cats of my own and it does get pricey.  Half were feral, rest 
were given up by owners and the "sucker" culd not turn them away.  I aerage 
$100.00 per month on food and litter (Worlds Best because it is corn based and 
not clay).  I like Worlds Best because it is lighter weight, last longer and 
can be composted.  Good luck in your search for food.


 dot winkler  wrote: 
> Hi Beth - how do I find out about places that donate food?  Or how do I get 
> it at cost?  I work alone and don't belong to an organization.  thanks, Dot



 From: Beth 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?
 

Are there any places which donate food in your area? We have several in 
Atlanta. Also rescues can sometimes get food to feral feeders at cost. You 
could also set up a Chip-in for people to donate $ for food.


Beth

 
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 From: dot winkler 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?
 

Hi  I was reading your mail.  What did you mean about "that is the price of 
free food?"  Do you receive food free for feeding the cats?  I do not TNR.  I 
don't belong to any program.  Just my lone self feeding the 7 cats.  (they are 
all neutered except 2 by someone else) I have spent so much money on them each 
week.  Money I don't have.  It is getting to be a bad situation for me.  






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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

[dlgegg]

Got another question about home cooked meats.  They will eat it fresh cooked, 
but after it has been in the fridge, pretty much turn up their noses at it, 
especially if I try warming it up in the microwave.


 Marcia  wrote: 
> Good question!  Kay, my mother had Collies and pressure cooked whole chickens 
> for them. We'd come home do
>  School and smell that, thinking, yum!! Chicken and dumplings!!! Uh-uh! Nope! 
> Chicken for the dogs! Lol, I ended up just like my Mom(-:  except of course, 
> now I don't eat the meat.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 1, 2012, at 8:21 AM, Kat Parker  wrote:
> 
> > I have been vegetarian a few years, but I often buy and cook chichen for 
> > the cats.  I boil it, then shred it, and almost always have a bowl of it in 
> > my fridge and/or freezer for them.  My friends think I am whacko because of 
> > that. I don't ever eat it, but I know cats have different needs, and they 
> > need meat. I , naturally have the option, being omnivorous, but they don't 
> > have the same choice in their diet, as you all well know.   About once a 
> > month, I am a chicken cooking fool, on a fairly large scale.  (I always 
> > apologize to the birds.  haha)
> > I've also heard that cats cannot taste "sweet", Kathryn... I am baffled by 
> > this.  I know that they love the taste of Karo syrup, and even concentrated 
> > SUGAR WATER is often used on the gums of kits to stimulate a little 
> > appetite, especially the wee ones who need to take a bottle.  Also, though 
> > I have never tasted it, I heard anti-freeze is "sweet", and that is why so 
> > many cats are poisoned by it.  This sounds like such a contradiction to me, 
> > and I wonder, if it's not the "sweet" they taste  in the syrup, what is it? 
> >  And in sugar water, there is only sugar...and water.  What else could it 
> > be?
> > 
> >Kat 
> > 
> > -- Forwarded message --
> > From: Kathryn Hargreaves 
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Cc: 
> > Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 02:55:28 -0800
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
> > I've been vegan for almost 20 years (vegetarian for some some before that), 
> > so it's always funny when people see me buying so much meat for the cats.
> > 
> > 
> > -- Forwarded message --
> > From: Kathryn Hargreaves 
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Cc: 
> > Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 03:38:11 -0800
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
> > Some of my cats adore veggies.   Cats can't taste sweet, did you know?  No 
> > receptors for it.
> > 
> > On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 3:11 AM, Beth  wrote:
> > They might just like veggies, plus corn is sweet. My cats are obsessed with 
> > lettuce.
> > 
> > Beth
> >  
> > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
> >  
> > 
> > From: Lee Evans 
> > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
> > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 6:46 AM
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
> > 
> > There's so much corn in cat food that when I opened a can of corn for 
> > myself recently, one of my cats ran over and began gobbling it.  Sheesh!  
> > Since I'm a vegetarian, they don't get leftovers like hamburger and 
> > chicken.  So they eat my corn and tofu.  Weird world.
> > 
> >  
> > Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty 
> > neighbors too!
> > 
> > 
> > From: Kathryn Hargreaves 
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:11 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
> > 
> > Not only are corn, wheat, and soy not cat food (they can't digest veggies 
> > very well, much less grains, which can give them diabetes and IBD), but 
> > unless the corn and soy are organic, they are most likely GMO, and soy can 
> > give cats Hyperthyroidism (I learned this the hard way on a 7-month-old who 
> > died).   
> > 
> > Yes, fish dries the system (ours, too), and is a mercury risk.
> > 
> > I've already said what I think about dry food.
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 7:50 PM,  wrote:
> > My Homey has had several bouts of crystals.  She liked the Hill's SD canned 
> > food, but not the dry.  I had taken my guys off Hills because they ahve 
> > corn, wheat and soy and they are allergic to those ingredients.  I now feed 
> > Blue buffalo dry DUCK.  We love that and also the duck canned food.  We 
> > hate chicken and fish which is okay because the vet said fish can be part 
> > of the problem.  I have tried to get them off the dry, but not too much 
> > luck.  Right now, Homey is okay.  I got water fountains and everyone loves 
> > them.  It recirculates the water thre a filter.  The plastic ones are okay, 
> > but need to be cleaned out more often.  I got one on line that is stainless 
> > steel.  Much better, lower profile so I can open cabinet doors without 
> > hitting it and it does not need to be cleaned as often.  With the 
> > fountains, the water is always 

Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

[dlgegg]

I have given one of my girls a new name - Garbage Can because she wants to eat 
everything I eat.  She was a feral, had her tail bitten off by a raccoon, 
weighs 6 lbs and is always the first one to the food bowl.


 Marcia  wrote: 
> Good question!  Kay, my mother had Collies and pressure cooked whole chickens 
> for them. We'd come home do
>  School and smell that, thinking, yum!! Chicken and dumplings!!! Uh-uh! Nope! 
> Chicken for the dogs! Lol, I ended up just like my Mom(-:  except of course, 
> now I don't eat the meat.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 1, 2012, at 8:21 AM, Kat Parker  wrote:
> 
> > I have been vegetarian a few years, but I often buy and cook chichen for 
> > the cats.  I boil it, then shred it, and almost always have a bowl of it in 
> > my fridge and/or freezer for them.  My friends think I am whacko because of 
> > that. I don't ever eat it, but I know cats have different needs, and they 
> > need meat. I , naturally have the option, being omnivorous, but they don't 
> > have the same choice in their diet, as you all well know.   About once a 
> > month, I am a chicken cooking fool, on a fairly large scale.  (I always 
> > apologize to the birds.  haha)
> > I've also heard that cats cannot taste "sweet", Kathryn... I am baffled by 
> > this.  I know that they love the taste of Karo syrup, and even concentrated 
> > SUGAR WATER is often used on the gums of kits to stimulate a little 
> > appetite, especially the wee ones who need to take a bottle.  Also, though 
> > I have never tasted it, I heard anti-freeze is "sweet", and that is why so 
> > many cats are poisoned by it.  This sounds like such a contradiction to me, 
> > and I wonder, if it's not the "sweet" they taste  in the syrup, what is it? 
> >  And in sugar water, there is only sugar...and water.  What else could it 
> > be?
> > 
> >Kat 
> > 
> > -- Forwarded message --
> > From: Kathryn Hargreaves 
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Cc: 
> > Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 02:55:28 -0800
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
> > I've been vegan for almost 20 years (vegetarian for some some before that), 
> > so it's always funny when people see me buying so much meat for the cats.
> > 
> > 
> > -- Forwarded message --
> > From: Kathryn Hargreaves 
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Cc: 
> > Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 03:38:11 -0800
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
> > Some of my cats adore veggies.   Cats can't taste sweet, did you know?  No 
> > receptors for it.
> > 
> > On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 3:11 AM, Beth  wrote:
> > They might just like veggies, plus corn is sweet. My cats are obsessed with 
> > lettuce.
> > 
> > Beth
> >  
> > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
> >  
> > 
> > From: Lee Evans 
> > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
> > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 6:46 AM
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
> > 
> > There's so much corn in cat food that when I opened a can of corn for 
> > myself recently, one of my cats ran over and began gobbling it.  Sheesh!  
> > Since I'm a vegetarian, they don't get leftovers like hamburger and 
> > chicken.  So they eat my corn and tofu.  Weird world.
> > 
> >  
> > Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty 
> > neighbors too!
> > 
> > 
> > From: Kathryn Hargreaves 
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:11 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
> > 
> > Not only are corn, wheat, and soy not cat food (they can't digest veggies 
> > very well, much less grains, which can give them diabetes and IBD), but 
> > unless the corn and soy are organic, they are most likely GMO, and soy can 
> > give cats Hyperthyroidism (I learned this the hard way on a 7-month-old who 
> > died).   
> > 
> > Yes, fish dries the system (ours, too), and is a mercury risk.
> > 
> > I've already said what I think about dry food.
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 7:50 PM,  wrote:
> > My Homey has had several bouts of crystals.  She liked the Hill's SD canned 
> > food, but not the dry.  I had taken my guys off Hills because they ahve 
> > corn, wheat and soy and they are allergic to those ingredients.  I now feed 
> > Blue buffalo dry DUCK.  We love that and also the duck canned food.  We 
> > hate chicken and fish which is okay because the vet said fish can be part 
> > of the problem.  I have tried to get them off the dry, but not too much 
> > luck.  Right now, Homey is okay.  I got water fountains and everyone loves 
> > them.  It recirculates the water thre a filter.  The plastic ones are okay, 
> > but need to be cleaned out more often.  I got one on line that is stainless 
> > steel.  Much better, lower profile so I can open cabinet doors without 
> > hitting it and it does not need to be cleaned as often.  With the 
> > fountains, the water is a

Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet

[dlgegg]

My guys are not too crazy about Royal Canindry or canned SD.  They do like 
Royal Cannin "Extreme Hairball" dry.  I don't feed it as food, but as a treat.  
It seems to help Casey who has long, fine hair and is always getting hairballs.

 pandie...@aol.com wrote: 
> i guess then royal canin's uninary dry S/O is awful as well
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Susan Hoffman 
> To: felvtalk 
> Sent: Fri, Aug 31, 2012 2:35 pm
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet
> 
> 
> 
> If you read the labels, so much of the high priced dry is really crap food 
> loaded with corn and byproducts.  It's appalling what is out there on pet 
> store shelves.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Lorrie 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet
> 
> 
> On 08-31, Marcia wrote:
> >I think what really bothers me about Science Diet is that it is a low
> >quality food sold for a very high price AND the general public doesn't
> >know any of this!!
> 
> Science Diet is really crappy food, and it's wrong of vets to push
> it. Not many people read labels or understand what low quality food
> it is, and they buy it because their vets sell it.  I'm sure vets get
> a kick back from the company.
> 
> Lorrie
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet

[Kathryn Hargreaves]

Purportedly egg yolk lethicin dissolves hairballs, but I've not tried it.

On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 1:40 AM,  wrote:

> My guys are not too crazy about Royal Canindry or canned SD.  They do like
> Royal Cannin "Extreme Hairball" dry.  I don't feed it as food, but as a
> treat.  It seems to help Casey who has long, fine hair and is always
> getting hairballs.
>
>  pandie...@aol.com wrote:
> > i guess then royal canin's uninary dry S/O is awful as well
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Susan Hoffman 
> > To: felvtalk 
> > Sent: Fri, Aug 31, 2012 2:35 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet
> >
> >
> >
> > If you read the labels, so much of the high priced dry is really crap
> food loaded with corn and byproducts.  It's appalling what is out there on
> pet store shelves.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Lorrie 
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:59 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet
> >
> >
> > On 08-31, Marcia wrote:
> > >I think what really bothers me about Science Diet is that it is a
> low
> > >quality food sold for a very high price AND the general public
> doesn't
> > >know any of this!!
> >
> > Science Diet is really crappy food, and it's wrong of vets to push
> > it. Not many people read labels or understand what low quality food
> > it is, and they buy it because their vets sell it.  I'm sure vets get
> > a kick back from the company.
> >
> > Lorrie
> >
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