Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...

[Ardy Robertson]

Sounds like your kitty was trying to help you figure it out Amani 

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2018 3:49 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...

Bob

Just as a long shot, consider using Revolution again. I guess I should have 
remembered this, but there is an immature phase of round worms, which move 
through the tissues (sometimes causing eye problems) and into the lungs.  
During the migration of the immature phase, they move into the lungs and 
causing the cat to cough harshly in order to cough up the immature phase, which 
then gets swallowed down, ending up back in the intestines all over again. 
Using Revolution will kill the mature roundworms in the intestines, but not the 
immature phase. Thus, one needs to use the Revolution for several months in 
order to catch all the worms in their various phases. Doxycyline has some 
negative effect on the immature phase, so using both might also assist.

I figured out this issue recently when a cat I had had for more than a year, 
was really losing weight, had very minimal hair growth (sort of stubby hair), 
and kept vomiting up her food. One day, while cleaning up the vomit, I noticed 
an adult round worm in the vomit. I couldn’t figure out how my cat would have 
had worms because I had deflee-ed her when she was just a tiny kitten, and 
treated her with the kitten Revolution. She was strictly an indoor cat, as all 
mine are, so there was no source I could figure out for a roundworm infection. 
I checked it out online, and finally understood that she still had a roundworm 
infection from kittenhood. Her sister also had lackluster hair growth. I 
treated both with Revolution and saw an immediate improvement with weight gain 
and hair growth. However, unfortunately, her sister got pregnant, and I also 
found out that the immature stage of the roundworm gets passed down to kittens 
through mother's milk - which must have been how both of them got it in the 
first place since I picked them up when they were only a few days old. Anyway, 
the rest of the mystery was solved because the sister got very sick while 
nursing the kittens - running nose, coughing, temperature, (and again, I 
couldn’t figure out how that could be, given that she wasn’t exposed to any new 
cats). The kittens also got sick, and had this TERRIBLE hacking cough and 
really badly infected eyes which NO topical medication would help, and no 
antibiotic helped UNTIL I tried the Doxycycline. 

Everything fell into place for me when I saw the worm in my cat's vomit, and 
did a bit of research. 

So, if possible, try Revolution again, and try some Doxycycline and see if that 
leads to any improvement.

Amani 

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT 
CHAPEL
Sent: February-24-18 12:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...

Thank you pam,sandy ,ardy and all who weighed. in. on. the “ runs” 
 I’m leaning toward this being an autoimmune issue and will ask the shelter to 
have Tommy back to the vet for a better eval... Original recommendation was to 
use an antibiotic more common in livestock and aviaries ( tylosin) which was 
sound but did not take into account that my boy won’t eat his food with this 
foul tasting abx. I’m reintroducing it..now.. but VERY slowly After a 
couple of weeks if I can’t get him to a full dose it’s time to change 
course He’s 15 years old and he can’t afford to lose weight or get 
dehydrated  He’s a foster who was “ supposed” to be back with his owner 
well before nowbut it looks to me that these guys are going to be a 
lifespan placement


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Re: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all

[Ardy Robertson]

Didn’t know about Blue Buffalo being sold to General Mills……… will they be 
changing it? My Peekers eats that and I would hate to change at this point in 
her life…….Ardy

 

 

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Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:59 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all

 

Special foods have never helped my cats.  getting them off grain filled foods 
and gmo helped the most.  Now I find that blue buffalo has sold out to general 
mills, will have to find another food for m guys.  Used to have vomiting and 
loose stools but once I got them off foods with grain, that stopped.  Only time 
Harley vomits is when he gulps down his food and it hits the moisture in his 
stomach and back up it comes.  We are switching to wet foods that are organic.  
Wet foods stay down.

 

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From: Pam Doore  >
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
Sent: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 17:16:19 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all

 

Thank you Bob :).  I will try to post some pictures sometime of the crew :).  

 

A friend had a kitty who had chronic diarrhea and nothing worked.  They found 
it was an autoimmune disease that was treated with B12 shots, prednisone, and 
hydrolyzed protein.  He was on this plan for a few months and has been diarrhea 
free for several years now.  He is also off the hydrolyzed protein food too.  
His stool is still softer than other cats but no diarrhea.   I am extremely 
familiar with cats not eating food additives and special foods that are 
supposed to help them.  My vet now says, "with any other cat we would do , 
but this is Becca so will attempt.  

 

 

 


 




 

 

 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1

[Ardy Robertson]

Hi Pam – actually I agree that sometimes too much care is hard on our 
fur-babes. Sometimes when I look back at old pictures of Tigger, I see a “look” 
he had that I now realize might have been that he was sicker than I thought and 
maybe I should have given up sooner. I syringe fed him during his last 6 months 
when he would not eat on his own. Sometimes I think I tried too hard, but what 
I did was out of love for him, always believing we could beat his FeLV. And I 
know he loved us back, so if I overdid, I was forgiven I’m sure….Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam 
Doore
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:21 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1

 

Thank you Ardy.  I absolutely believe in supportive comfort care.  I pet sit 
and I have watched animals get so many treatments that they hide, cringe when 
you reach even to pet them.  etc.  I can't do that to my babies nor would I 
expect anyone else too.  Glad Topaz is doing well :-D. 




 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1

[Pam Doore]

I have observed the same thing.  I appreciate all support to give quality
over quantity.  I did not know that my cat Trixie had lung cancer I thought
she had developed a allergy to the Christmas tree. She crossed the bridge
before majority of med was in her system. They did give her all of it.. I
ended up having her put to sleep three weeks later and the vet told me at
that point that a cat will hold on as long as possible just for the sake of
their owner.

On Feb 26, 2018 5:51 PM, "Lorrie"  wrote:

> I agree, I will NOT put my cats through painful invasive proceedures,
> but I see so many people in my cat groups who will do ANYTHING to
> keep a cat alive, even a very old cat whose time is up.
>
> Lorrie
>
>
> On 02-23, Pam Doore wrote:
> > Thank you Ardy.  I absolutely believe in supportive comfort care.  I pet
> > sit and I have watched animals get so many treatments that they hide,
> > cringe when you reach even to pet them.  etc.  I can't do that to my
> babies
> > nor would I expect anyone else too.  Glad Topaz is doing well :-D.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...

[Lorrie]

This made me wonder if he has IBD. This causes weight loss and
diarrhea. My 15 year old cat has has this.  He was diagnosed  with
this 3 years ago and is on prednisolone and B-12 shots.Lorrie

On 02-24, Pam Doore wrote:
> Hi Bob,  My friend's cat I mentioned was a shelter cat who was treated by
> both of our vets repeatedly and nothing worked. She was fostering and
> finally gave up and took him to her own vet who saw everything that had
> been tried and had not worked and went and did very expensive blood work
> and then came up with the diagnosis the B12 prednisone and hydrolyzed
> protein food. We were both disappointed that neither of the vet practices
> that the cat had been to repeatedly and previously had never even
> considered this condition as a possibility. If she had not adopted him he
> would have been euthanized even though it's a no-kill shelter  Praise the
> Lord different leadership is at the shelter now and that is not a
> possibility anymore.
> 
> My Ally also got picky about food near the end and I definitely don't want
> to mess around with the kitty not eating and doing anything to make them
> even less inclined to eat.
> 
> It would be more expensive but if you could get the script compounded into
> a transdermal to be absorbed through the skin in the ear that would make it
> so the meds were not in the food.  I am very grateful for transdermal
> meds:-D.

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[Lorrie]

I agree, I will NOT put my cats through painful invasive proceedures,
but I see so many people in my cat groups who will do ANYTHING to
keep a cat alive, even a very old cat whose time is up.

Lorrie


On 02-23, Pam Doore wrote:
> Thank you Ardy.  I absolutely believe in supportive comfort care.  I pet
> sit and I have watched animals get so many treatments that they hide,
> cringe when you reach even to pet them.  etc.  I can't do that to my babies
> nor would I expect anyone else too.  Glad Topaz is doing well :-D.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea..

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Thank you all for the ideas on treating Diarrhea... A few I recall 
reading about when I first got Jerry but several are brand new   
Bentonite and Pectin are seemingly benign enough and easily enough 
obtainable to add to his regimen   Roundworm Larval stages are 
CERTAINLY not something I would have stumbled upon without Amani’s 
suggestion and worth serious consideration given that he does have poor 
hair growth and was vomiting some weeks ago ( it has abated in recent 
weeks) Problem is, as well, that  the shelter has limited funds and does 
not “really” want to invest too much in a 15 y r old cat that isn’t that 
ill( yet)... and , for whom, so many things can be attributed to “ old 
age” ( as though somehow old age is itself a disease and treatment 
serves no real purpose) No creature dies  of OLD age...systems break 
down and need repair or bolstering...just a LOT more frequently than 
in most young creatures.. so, as I’ve done in the past.. I will 
likely embark on some sane interventions on my own and see where they 
lead I’ve got a lot of ideas now...

-bob


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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 14:35:00 -0500 (EST)
From: "dlg...@windstream.net" To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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I WAS DIAGNOSED WITH PERPHERIAL T CELL CANCER IN 2000, HAD 10 CATS, 4 
WITH LEUKEMIA.  TREATMENTS  DID NOT WORK, BUT WENT INTO REMISSION 1 
YEAR LATER.  NEITHER THE CATS OR I SUFFERED.  THE FELV CATS DIED OF 
OLD AGE AND AT 77 I AM STILL AROUND DESPITE DIABETES AND AORTIC VALVE 
REPLACEMENT. SO I WOULD SAY NEITHER DISEASE HURTS THE OTHER.  I 
CLEANED THE LITER BOXES, FED AND SLEPT WITH MY CATS.

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Sent: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:40:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all

Good morning, I have heard that FeLv+ are not concern to any other 
species including us, so your nephew is safe with your kitty :-D.

~~@~@~@~@~@
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On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 9:56 AM, Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium 
wrote:
Hello.  Has anyone heard of our FelV cats and cancer patients not 
allowed to be around one another?   My felv cat Skylar has been with 
me 2 years and my nephew
 moved in who has cancer, I was unsure if they should be sleeping with 
each other.  Thanks for any information.   From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]

On Behalf Of Pam Doore
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:16 PM
To:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all Thank you Bob :).  I will 
try to post some pictures sometime of the crew :). A friend had a 
kitty who had chronic diarrhea and nothing worked.  They found it was 
an autoimmune disease that was treated with B12 shots, prednisone, and 
hydrolyzed protein.  He was on this plan for a few
 months and has been diarrhea free for several years now.  He is also 
off the hydrolyzed protein food too.  His stool is still softer than 
other cats but no diarrhea.   I am extremely familiar with cats not 
eating food additives and special foods that are supposed
 to help them.  My vet now says, "with any other cat we would do , 
but this is Becca so will attempt.




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Thank you!

On Feb 26, 2018 1:35 PM, "Amani Oakley"  wrote:


No ? it depends on the parasite load.



Amani



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On 
Behalf

Of *Pam Doore
*Sent:* February-26-18 5:49 AM
*To:* 

Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...

[Pam Doore]

Thank you!

On Feb 26, 2018 1:35 PM, "Amani Oakley"  wrote:

> No – it depends on the parasite load.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Pam Doore
> *Sent:* February-26-18 5:49 AM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...
>
>
>
> Amani, will roundworms aways show up in a fecal?
>
>
> ~~@~@~@~@~@
>
>
> *Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me,
> Christ beneath me, Christ above me. **—** St. Patrick*
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 4:48 AM, Amani Oakley 
> wrote:
>
> Bob
>
> Just as a long shot, consider using Revolution again. I guess I should
> have remembered this, but there is an immature phase of round worms, which
> move through the tissues (sometimes causing eye problems) and into the
> lungs.  During the migration of the immature phase, they move into the
> lungs and causing the cat to cough harshly in order to cough up the
> immature phase, which then gets swallowed down, ending up back in the
> intestines all over again. Using Revolution will kill the mature roundworms
> in the intestines, but not the immature phase. Thus, one needs to use the
> Revolution for several months in order to catch all the worms in their
> various phases. Doxycyline has some negative effect on the immature phase,
> so using both might also assist.
>
> I figured out this issue recently when a cat I had had for more than a
> year, was really losing weight, had very minimal hair growth (sort of
> stubby hair), and kept vomiting up her food. One day, while cleaning up the
> vomit, I noticed an adult round worm in the vomit. I couldn’t figure out
> how my cat would have had worms because I had deflee-ed her when she was
> just a tiny kitten, and treated her with the kitten Revolution. She was
> strictly an indoor cat, as all mine are, so there was no source I could
> figure out for a roundworm infection. I checked it out online, and finally
> understood that she still had a roundworm infection from kittenhood. Her
> sister also had lackluster hair growth. I treated both with Revolution and
> saw an immediate improvement with weight gain and hair growth. However,
> unfortunately, her sister got pregnant, and I also found out that the
> immature stage of the roundworm gets passed down to kittens through
> mother's milk - which must have been how both of them got it in the first
> place since I picked them up when they were only a few days old. Anyway,
> the rest of the mystery was solved because the sister got very sick while
> nursing the kittens - running nose, coughing, temperature, (and again, I
> couldn’t figure out how that could be, given that she wasn’t exposed to any
> new cats). The kittens also got sick, and had this TERRIBLE hacking cough
> and really badly infected eyes which NO topical medication would help, and
> no antibiotic helped UNTIL I tried the Doxycycline.
>
> Everything fell into place for me when I saw the worm in my cat's vomit,
> and did a bit of research.
>
> So, if possible, try Revolution again, and try some Doxycycline and see if
> that leads to any improvement.
>
> Amani
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> ROBERT CHAPEL
> Sent: February-24-18 12:22 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...
>
> Thank you pam,sandy ,ardy and all who weighed. in. on. the “ runs”
>  I’m leaning toward this being an autoimmune issue and will ask the
> shelter to have Tommy back to the vet for a better eval... Original
> recommendation was to use an antibiotic more common in livestock and
> aviaries ( tylosin) which was sound but did not take into account that my
> boy won’t eat his food with this foul tasting abx. I’m reintroducing
> it..now.. but VERY slowly After a couple of weeks if I can’t get him to
> a full dose it’s time to change course He’s 15 years old and he can’t
> afford to lose weight or get dehydrated  He’s a foster who was “
> supposed” to be back with his owner well before nowbut it looks to
> me that these guys are going to be a lifespan placement
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all

[dlg...@windstream.net]

I WAS DIAGNOSED WITH PERPHERIAL T CELL CANCER IN 2000, HAD 10 CATS, 4 WITH 
LEUKEMIA.  TREATMENTS  DID NOT WORK, BUT WENT INTO REMISSION 1 YEAR LATER.  
NEITHER THE CATS OR I SUFFERED.  THE FELV CATS DIED OF OLD AGE AND AT 77 I AM 
STILL AROUND DESPITE DIABETES AND AORTIC VALVE REPLACEMENT. SO I WOULD SAY 
NEITHER DISEASE HURTS THE OTHER.  I CLEANED THE LITER BOXES, FED AND SLEPT WITH 
MY CATS.
- Original Message -
From: Pam Doore 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:40:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all

Good morning, I have heard that FeLv+ are not concern to any other species 
including us, so your nephew is safe with your kitty :-D.
~~@~@~@~@~@
Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ 
beneath me, Christ above me. — St. Patrick


On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 9:56 AM, Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium 
 wrote:
Hello.  Has anyone heard of our FelV cats and cancer patients not allowed to be 
around one another?   My felv cat Skylar has been with me 2 years and my nephew
 moved in who has cancer, I was unsure if they should be sleeping with each 
other.  Thanks for any information. 
  From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
On Behalf Of Pam Doore
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:16 PM
To:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all Thank you Bob :).  I will try to post 
some pictures sometime of the crew :). 
A friend had a kitty who had chronic diarrhea and nothing worked.  They found 
it was an autoimmune disease that was treated with B12 shots, prednisone, and 
hydrolyzed protein.  He was on this plan for a few
 months and has been diarrhea free for several years now.  He is also off the 
hydrolyzed protein food too.  His stool is still softer than other cats but no 
diarrhea.   I am extremely familiar with cats not eating food additives and 
special foods that are supposed
 to help them.  My vet now says, "with any other cat we would do , but this 
is Becca so will attempt. 




  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...

[Amani Oakley]

No – it depends on the parasite load.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam 
Doore
Sent: February-26-18 5:49 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...

Amani, will roundworms aways show up in a fecal?

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beneath me, Christ above me. — St. Patrick

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 4:48 AM, Amani Oakley 
> wrote:
Bob

Just as a long shot, consider using Revolution again. I guess I should have 
remembered this, but there is an immature phase of round worms, which move 
through the tissues (sometimes causing eye problems) and into the lungs.  
During the migration of the immature phase, they move into the lungs and 
causing the cat to cough harshly in order to cough up the immature phase, which 
then gets swallowed down, ending up back in the intestines all over again. 
Using Revolution will kill the mature roundworms in the intestines, but not the 
immature phase. Thus, one needs to use the Revolution for several months in 
order to catch all the worms in their various phases. Doxycyline has some 
negative effect on the immature phase, so using both might also assist.

I figured out this issue recently when a cat I had had for more than a year, 
was really losing weight, had very minimal hair growth (sort of stubby hair), 
and kept vomiting up her food. One day, while cleaning up the vomit, I noticed 
an adult round worm in the vomit. I couldn’t figure out how my cat would have 
had worms because I had deflee-ed her when she was just a tiny kitten, and 
treated her with the kitten Revolution. She was strictly an indoor cat, as all 
mine are, so there was no source I could figure out for a roundworm infection. 
I checked it out online, and finally understood that she still had a roundworm 
infection from kittenhood. Her sister also had lackluster hair growth. I 
treated both with Revolution and saw an immediate improvement with weight gain 
and hair growth. However, unfortunately, her sister got pregnant, and I also 
found out that the immature stage of the roundworm gets passed down to kittens 
through mother's milk - which must have been how both of them got it in the 
first place since I picked them up when they were only a few days old. Anyway, 
the rest of the mystery was solved because the sister got very sick while 
nursing the kittens - running nose, coughing, temperature, (and again, I 
couldn’t figure out how that could be, given that she wasn’t exposed to any new 
cats). The kittens also got sick, and had this TERRIBLE hacking cough and 
really badly infected eyes which NO topical medication would help, and no 
antibiotic helped UNTIL I tried the Doxycycline.

Everything fell into place for me when I saw the worm in my cat's vomit, and 
did a bit of research.

So, if possible, try Revolution again, and try some Doxycycline and see if that 
leads to any improvement.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL
Sent: February-24-18 12:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...

Thank you pam,sandy ,ardy and all who weighed. in. on. the “ runs”
 I’m leaning toward this being an autoimmune issue and will ask the shelter to 
have Tommy back to the vet for a better eval... Original recommendation was to 
use an antibiotic more common in livestock and aviaries ( tylosin) which was 
sound but did not take into account that my boy won’t eat his food with this 
foul tasting abx. I’m reintroducing it..now.. but VERY slowly After a 
couple of weeks if I can’t get him to a full dose it’s time to change 
course He’s 15 years old and he can’t afford to lose weight or get 
dehydrated  He’s a foster who was “ supposed” to be back with his owner 
well before nowbut it looks to me that these guys are going to be a 
lifespan placement


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Re: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all

[Pam Doore]

Good morning, I have heard that FeLv+ are not concern to any other species
including us, so your nephew is safe with your kitty :-D.

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On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 9:56 AM, Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium <
sheila.armstrong-br...@ssa.gov> wrote:

> Hello.  Has anyone heard of our FelV cats and cancer patients not allowed
> to be around one another?   My felv cat Skylar has been with me 2 years and
> my nephew moved in who has cancer, I was unsure if they should be sleeping
> with each other.  Thanks for any information.
>
>
>
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>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Pam Doore
> *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2018 5:16 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all
>
>
>
> Thank you Bob :).  I will try to post some pictures sometime of the crew
> :).
>
> A friend had a kitty who had chronic diarrhea and nothing worked.  They
> found it was an autoimmune disease that was treated with B12 shots,
> prednisone, and hydrolyzed protein.  He was on this plan for a few months
> and has been diarrhea free for several years now.  He is also off the
> hydrolyzed protein food too.  His stool is still softer than other cats but
> no diarrhea.   I am extremely familiar with cats not eating food additives
> and special foods that are supposed to help them.  My vet now says, "with
> any other cat we would do , but this is Becca so will attempt.
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all

[Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium]

Hello.  Has anyone heard of our FelV cats and cancer patients not allowed to be 
around one another?   My felv cat Skylar has been with me 2 years and my nephew 
moved in who has cancer, I was unsure if they should be sleeping with each 
other.  Thanks for any information.


From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam 
Doore
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:16 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all

Thank you Bob :).  I will try to post some pictures sometime of the crew :).
A friend had a kitty who had chronic diarrhea and nothing worked.  They found 
it was an autoimmune disease that was treated with B12 shots, prednisone, and 
hydrolyzed protein.  He was on this plan for a few months and has been diarrhea 
free for several years now.  He is also off the hydrolyzed protein food too.  
His stool is still softer than other cats but no diarrhea.   I am extremely 
familiar with cats not eating food additives and special foods that are 
supposed to help them.  My vet now says, "with any other cat we would do , 
but this is Becca so will attempt.






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Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...

[Pam Doore]

Amani, will roundworms aways show up in a fecal?

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Christ beneath me, Christ above me. — **St. Patrick*


On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 4:48 AM, Amani Oakley 
wrote:

> Bob
>
> Just as a long shot, consider using Revolution again. I guess I should
> have remembered this, but there is an immature phase of round worms, which
> move through the tissues (sometimes causing eye problems) and into the
> lungs.  During the migration of the immature phase, they move into the
> lungs and causing the cat to cough harshly in order to cough up the
> immature phase, which then gets swallowed down, ending up back in the
> intestines all over again. Using Revolution will kill the mature roundworms
> in the intestines, but not the immature phase. Thus, one needs to use the
> Revolution for several months in order to catch all the worms in their
> various phases. Doxycyline has some negative effect on the immature phase,
> so using both might also assist.
>
> I figured out this issue recently when a cat I had had for more than a
> year, was really losing weight, had very minimal hair growth (sort of
> stubby hair), and kept vomiting up her food. One day, while cleaning up the
> vomit, I noticed an adult round worm in the vomit. I couldn’t figure out
> how my cat would have had worms because I had deflee-ed her when she was
> just a tiny kitten, and treated her with the kitten Revolution. She was
> strictly an indoor cat, as all mine are, so there was no source I could
> figure out for a roundworm infection. I checked it out online, and finally
> understood that she still had a roundworm infection from kittenhood. Her
> sister also had lackluster hair growth. I treated both with Revolution and
> saw an immediate improvement with weight gain and hair growth. However,
> unfortunately, her sister got pregnant, and I also found out that the
> immature stage of the roundworm gets passed down to kittens through
> mother's milk - which must have been how both of them got it in the first
> place since I picked them up when they were only a few days old. Anyway,
> the rest of the mystery was solved because the sister got very sick while
> nursing the kittens - running nose, coughing, temperature, (and again, I
> couldn’t figure out how that could be, given that she wasn’t exposed to any
> new cats). The kittens also got sick, and had this TERRIBLE hacking cough
> and really badly infected eyes which NO topical medication would help, and
> no antibiotic helped UNTIL I tried the Doxycycline.
>
> Everything fell into place for me when I saw the worm in my cat's vomit,
> and did a bit of research.
>
> So, if possible, try Revolution again, and try some Doxycycline and see if
> that leads to any improvement.
>
> Amani
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> ROBERT CHAPEL
> Sent: February-24-18 12:22 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...
>
> Thank you pam,sandy ,ardy and all who weighed. in. on. the “ runs”
>  I’m leaning toward this being an autoimmune issue and will ask the
> shelter to have Tommy back to the vet for a better eval... Original
> recommendation was to use an antibiotic more common in livestock and
> aviaries ( tylosin) which was sound but did not take into account that my
> boy won’t eat his food with this foul tasting abx. I’m reintroducing
> it..now.. but VERY slowly After a couple of weeks if I can’t get him to
> a full dose it’s time to change course He’s 15 years old and he can’t
> afford to lose weight or get dehydrated  He’s a foster who was “
> supposed” to be back with his owner well before nowbut it looks to
> me that these guys are going to be a lifespan placement
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 10:21 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org
> wrote:
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:49:03 -0500
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Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...

[Amani Oakley]

Bob

Just as a long shot, consider using Revolution again. I guess I should have 
remembered this, but there is an immature phase of round worms, which move 
through the tissues (sometimes causing eye problems) and into the lungs.  
During the migration of the immature phase, they move into the lungs and 
causing the cat to cough harshly in order to cough up the immature phase, which 
then gets swallowed down, ending up back in the intestines all over again. 
Using Revolution will kill the mature roundworms in the intestines, but not the 
immature phase. Thus, one needs to use the Revolution for several months in 
order to catch all the worms in their various phases. Doxycyline has some 
negative effect on the immature phase, so using both might also assist.

I figured out this issue recently when a cat I had had for more than a year, 
was really losing weight, had very minimal hair growth (sort of stubby hair), 
and kept vomiting up her food. One day, while cleaning up the vomit, I noticed 
an adult round worm in the vomit. I couldn’t figure out how my cat would have 
had worms because I had deflee-ed her when she was just a tiny kitten, and 
treated her with the kitten Revolution. She was strictly an indoor cat, as all 
mine are, so there was no source I could figure out for a roundworm infection. 
I checked it out online, and finally understood that she still had a roundworm 
infection from kittenhood. Her sister also had lackluster hair growth. I 
treated both with Revolution and saw an immediate improvement with weight gain 
and hair growth. However, unfortunately, her sister got pregnant, and I also 
found out that the immature stage of the roundworm gets passed down to kittens 
through mother's milk - which must have been how both of them got it in the 
first place since I picked them up when they were only a few days old. Anyway, 
the rest of the mystery was solved because the sister got very sick while 
nursing the kittens - running nose, coughing, temperature, (and again, I 
couldn’t figure out how that could be, given that she wasn’t exposed to any new 
cats). The kittens also got sick, and had this TERRIBLE hacking cough and 
really badly infected eyes which NO topical medication would help, and no 
antibiotic helped UNTIL I tried the Doxycycline. 

Everything fell into place for me when I saw the worm in my cat's vomit, and 
did a bit of research. 

So, if possible, try Revolution again, and try some Doxycycline and see if that 
leads to any improvement.

Amani 

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT 
CHAPEL
Sent: February-24-18 12:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...

Thank you pam,sandy ,ardy and all who weighed. in. on. the “ runs” 
 I’m leaning toward this being an autoimmune issue and will ask the shelter to 
have Tommy back to the vet for a better eval... Original recommendation was to 
use an antibiotic more common in livestock and aviaries ( tylosin) which was 
sound but did not take into account that my boy won’t eat his food with this 
foul tasting abx. I’m reintroducing it..now.. but VERY slowly After a 
couple of weeks if I can’t get him to a full dose it’s time to change 
course He’s 15 years old and he can’t afford to lose weight or get 
dehydrated  He’s a foster who was “ supposed” to be back with his owner 
well before nowbut it looks to me that these guys are going to be a 
lifespan placement


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wrote:

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> Today's Topics:
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>1. Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1 (Pam Doore)
>2. Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1 (Ardy Robertson)
>
>
> --
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:49:03 -0500
> From: Pam Doore To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> *Hi Bob and all,  *
>
>
> *I don't realize I am not seeing posts until someone else mentions 
> about not seeing posts.*
>
>
> *I lost my Ally three days after Christmas.  A little less than a 
> month
> later I was notified by a parent of one of my students about a 
> 6+-year-old
> boy who was Fiv+ and FelV+; owner died and was at a shelter in the 
> southern
> tier of NY.   He is doing well