date:20050516

  Have them make sure she isn't constipated it may be that she is 
blocked and only the watery part of her bowel movements are getting 
through since what you described isn't normal diarrehia, throwing up is 
also a symthom of this.  There is something called mega-colon which can 
be deadly if not diagnosed and treated.

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RE: unsubscribe

2005-05-16 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.

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Re: Ginger

No. For bartonella it's zythromax for 21 days.. Also, if you're dealing with uri that's probably why she's not eating more than the teeth. Keep her well hydrated. Have you tried the baby neosynephrin (I think that's what it is) drops in her nose? Humidifier? She's got to smell the food to eat.

tNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I forgot to have her tested for bartonella. I will ask the internist to do that on Monday. Maybe that is what it is... Since you're already giving Ginger Dox, you're probably ahead of the game if she is positive for bartonella. I know that's what my vet prescribed for Hemobart, so maybe it works with all forms of blood parasites.Nina

I am so sorry you are going through all this. I am on depression med.s also that don't seem to help. After my hysterectomy I have now gained nearly 40 pounds as well. I told my psychiatrist that my biggest problem was lack of energy and he put me on ritalin. I am not add, but he said it would give me energy and hopefully help with my weight.

It has not helped with my weight, but it does give me energy. On days I can't get going I take it. You might want to ask your doctor about it. On some days it's the only way I can get anything done

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I decided to take a shower and brush my teeth and generally try to appear human, maybe even straighten up the house that has turned into a hovel, but wouldn't you know that before I could there is a knock on the door. Apparently Gray made an appointment with the realtor and did not tell me, and then left for the day. So I had to invite her in wearing a sweatshirt with A/D all over it from syringe feeding, uncombed hair that is greasy from not showering, and a house such a mess that there was really nowhere to sit down where we were not staring at a pile of papers of something. I tried to act nonchalant about all of this and just tell her I have been sick and Gray did not tell me about the appointment, but it really was embarassing. And it really emphasized how far I am psychologically from the rest of the human race, sitting there trying to look alert and act like I care about market analyses and house values and such. It was almost amusing, but not
quite.

Well, off to the shower, unless some crisis occurs before I get there, which unfortunately is quite possible these days.

Michelle

Re: Ginger ate a little (or at least licked at food)!





I actually rescheduled it for Thursday. She has gotten much perkier-- 
playful and cuddly again, and after licking at the fancy feast yesterday she 
also licked up a little baby food. She has not touched food since then, but 
before getting the Triaminic this morning she did go over and look at the food 
and try to cover it up. So I am cautiously hopeful. If she is still 
not eating by Thursday I will take her in for the ultrasound. I do want to 
give her a chance to get over the cold without the stress of 2 hours in the car 
and an hour or more at the vet, belly shaving, ultrasound where I can not be 
present with her, etc. It is not as stressful as surgery, but it is 
stressful for her.
Thanks,
Michelle

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  Dear Michelle
  Tough one. If it were me, I think I would keep the appointment to get it 
  over and done with earlier rather than later, while doing everything possible 
  to minimize the stress on Ginger. It IS very good news that she appears to be 
  taking an interest in food--as you say it does look like congestion may be the 
  culprit making her unable to smell the food. I really hope so. Having the 
  ultrasound done would not affect her recovery from congestion. Ifthe 
  cause of her appetite loss isnot congestion then the ultrasound may give 
  more of a clue to what it is.
  That's my 2 cents' worth. 
  Sending Ginger lots of healing vibes..it seems to me there is reason 
  today to be cautiously optimistic...love and hugs to you both, Kerry
  
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RE: Ginger ate a little (or at least licked at food)!

2005-05-16 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.

Title: Message

Wonderful to hear that she's playing again,
Michellemore power to your paw, Ginger!
Hope she just gets better and betterkeep
us posted when you get time.
hugs to you both, Kerry

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ate a little (or at least licked at food)!

I actually rescheduled it for Thursday. She has gotten much perkier--
playful and cuddly again, and after licking at the fancy feast yesterday she
also licked up a little baby food. She has not touched food since then, but
before getting the Triaminic this morning she did go over and look at the food
and try to cover it up. So I am cautiously hopeful. If she is still
not eating by Thursday I will take her in for the ultrasound. I do want to
give her a chance to get over the cold without the stress of 2 hours in the car
and an hour or more at the vet, belly shaving, ultrasound where I can not be
present with her, etc. It is not as stressful as surgery, but it is
stressful for her.
Thanks,
Michelle

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Dear Michelle
Tough one. If it were me, I think I would keep the appointment to get it
over and done with earlier rather than later, while doing everything possible
to minimize the stress on Ginger. It IS very good news that she appears to be
taking an interest in food--as you say it does look like congestion may be the
culprit making her unable to smell the food. I really hope so. Having the
ultrasound done would not affect her recovery from congestion. Ifthe
cause of her appetite loss isnot congestion then the ultrasound may give
more of a clue to what it is.
That's my 2 cents' worth.
Sending Ginger lots of healing vibes..it seems to me there is reason
today to be cautiously optimistic...love and hugs to you both, Kerry

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Re: Ginger





She didn't get a patch. I gave her metacam, a liquid pain killer, the day 
after the surgery but not again since then. At this point I do not think it is 
her teeth, but am hoping it is just her URI making her not eat. I rescheduled 
the ultrasound for Thursday and will get it done then if she is not eating 
well.
Michelle

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Hi Michelle,
  
  I know this is late, but I had a cat that had 8 or 10 extractions at 
  once. They gave hiim something for pain after the surgery, but not a 
  patch. He was eating wet food the next day, and hard by the 2nd or 3rd 
  day. I agree it may be the patch causing her not to eat.
  
  t

RE: Ginger ate a little (or at least licked at food)!

2005-05-16 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto









Thats a great news Michelle! Is
she getting the fluid the meantime?











From:
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Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Ginger ate a little
(or at least licked at food)!









I actually rescheduled it for
Thursday. She has gotten much perkier-- playful and cuddly again, and
after licking at the fancy feast yesterday she also licked up a little baby
food. She has not touched food since then, but before getting the Triaminic this
morning she did go over and look at the food and try to cover it up. So I
am cautiously hopeful. If she is still not eating by Thursday I will take
her in for the ultrasound. I do want to give her a chance to get over the
cold without the stress of 2 hours in the car and an hour or more at the vet,
belly shaving, ultrasound where I can not be present with her, etc. It is
not as stressful as surgery, but it is stressful for her.





Thanks,





Michelle











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Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:







Dear Michelle





Tough one. If it were me, I think I would
keep the appointment to get it over and done with earlier rather than later,
while doing everything possible to minimize the stress on Ginger. It IS very
good news that she appears to be taking an interest in food--as you say it does
look like congestion may be the culprit making her unable to smell the food. I
really hope so. Having the ultrasound done would not affect her recovery from
congestion. Ifthe cause of her appetite loss isnot congestion then
the ultrasound may give more of a clue to what it is.





That's my 2 cents' worth. 





Sending Ginger lots of healing vibes..it
seems to me there is reason today to be cautiously optimistic...love and hugs
to you both, Kerry







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Re: Ginger ate a little (or at least licked at food)!





I actually postponed the AC phone call too, because it was scheduled for 10 
pm last night just so I could talk to her before the this morning's ultrasound, 
but I decided to postpone the ultrasound and wanted to go to sleep. I have not 
rescheduled it yet. I may do it later today or tomorrow. 

Fern is on all sorts of meds for her joints. She used to get rimadyl for 
her arthritis, but can not get that or any other NSAIDs or aspiring now because 
she is on a lot of pred and the combination causes gastric bleeding. The pred 
helps. The main problem she has with her joints now is polyarthritis, which is 
not normal arthritis but an auto-immune reaction to her cancer, and it can only 
be controlled with steroids and immune-suppressing drugs, which she is on. She 
is having more difficulty breathing now, I think because of the humidity. She is 
fairly quiet when still, but was huffing a lot on her walk this morning 
and did not want to go far, maybe 100 yards. She has her monthly oncology 
appointment tomorrow. I am nervous about it-- I know the cancer is in most of 
her lungs at this point but do not want to hear the oncologist say it or look at 
the x-rays. We may get a nasal oxygen thing put in her nose tomorrow and 
take home an oxygen tank,so that we can give her oxygen periodically when she 
has labored breathing, like after her walks. The oncologist had suggested 
it for the end stage. I am not sure if we are there yet or not.

Michelle


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I'm so 
  happy to hear you've decided to postpone the ultrasound. I would never 
  have advised you either way, because of the 'damned if you do, damned if you 
  don't' reasonings we're all too familiar with. After reading your post 
  about her soaring temp at the ER, I just couldn't help thinking that the 
  stress you two have been under was a definite contributor to her slower than 
  hoped for recovery. How much clearer could her message get without her 
  actually coming out and saying, mom, stop all this fussing!? Speaking of 
  which, you're killing me with the suspense. Tell us about the AC reading 
  last night! If you suspect the Triaminic is causing her to be 
  listless, have you considered the "little noses" nose drops instead? Aw, 
  give that sweet Ginger a squeeze for me. How is Fern this morning? 
  Do you give her Ascriptin (buffered aspirin with Maalox), when she's 
  uncomfortable? I've used it on a couple of my dogs with joint 
  problems.Nina

Re: Ginger ate a little (or at least licked at food)!





Yes, I am still giving her 150 cc of fluid per day, and also syringe 
feeding her. But I am syringe feeding her less to try to see if she will eat 
some on her own. I normally syringe her about 90 to 100cc's of A/D per day and 
yesterday did only 60. I plan to do only 60 today too.
Thanks,
Michelle

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Thats a great news 
  Michelle! Is she getting the fluid the 
meantime?

Re: Ginger ate a little (or at least licked at food)!

Hi Michelle,
  You may want to syringe her a bit more, an adult cat needs between 
5.5 and 6.0 ounces of food to maintain their body weight, although tiny 
cats like my Shelbee don't eat anywhere near that much (Shelbee weights 
about 7 pounds).

You may want to stick with the 100ccs of food, because if you mix the 
food with water to thin it out (I'm speaking about AD here), a can works 
out to be around 200 or so ccs.  So even if you are giving her around 
100 it is only about half of what she needs.   Since she isn't feeling 
well from the URI you don't want her to get weaker from not getting 
enough calories and make it that much harder to bounce back once the URI 
starts clearing up.

I think waiting on the ultrasound is also a good idea, give her time to 
recoup from all that has been going on in the last couple of weeks.

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[FelineIBD] Gypsy Update

2005-05-16 Thread Nina





I just posted this to my IBD group and, since you've all been so kind
to have shown concern for Gypsy, I thought I'd let you folks know
what's going on as well.
Nina

Hi Everyone,
Here's a brief update on my trials and tribulations with Missy-Thang 
Gypsy. Let's see, I think it was last Thursday, (Dana, I do keep a
log, 
I just never seem to bring it to the computer with me!), my vet's
office 
convinced me to try the Tylan I had purchased and to NOT taper off the 
Pred. I had called with the exact opposite in mind :( . Gypsy's 
"leaky faucet" had slowed to an almost imperceptible trickle and I
don't 
think it had anything to do with the meds, any and all of her recovery 
has come about with her diet change, (fresh raw duck and salmon). The 
very next morning, I woke up to liquid diarrhea all over the house!
Not 
to mention, she has still been vomiting, at least once a day, (this is
a 
new symptom for her). Very, very upsetting. I called my vet and was 
told that Tylan is not associated with diarrhea and to keep giving it
to 
her for at least 2 weeks. Arrrggh! Then Gypsy began refusing her 
food. I don't have to tell you people the meaning of the word 
frustration, but I was, (once again), at my wits end with this little 
girl. I offered her plain duck (no sups), plain salmon, turkey, chick 
liver: she would eat nothing. Finally she lapped up some veal baby 
food. Two more days of this. The good news was, no more leaky faucet,

and the vomiting had stopped. I figured this could well be because she

had so very little in her system. Yesterday afternoon, I made the 
decision that I would start to taper off the Pred, (start skipping it 
eod), and continue with the Tylan for at least a week, maybe two. This

way, by the time we were finished with the Tylan, she'd be ready to
stop 
the Pred as well. After that, it would be up to God whether or not 
Gypsy would get better without the meds. Well, last night my husband 
and I were eating London Broil for dinner. Here comes our Gypsy, "What

you guys got?" I know that beef is harder to digest, so I haven't been

offering her any. With my new, "let go and let God" determination, I 
cut her up some raw and put it in front of her. She scarfed it up like

she hadn't eaten in days, (which she hadn't!). She ate 2 tablespoons, 
an enormous amount for this pint sized wonder, and was begging for 
more. I was afraid of what all this beef would do to her, so I offered

her some salmon instead. She looked at me like, we've just been
through 
this, I want BEEF! She wouldn't touch her salmon. This morning, no 
signs of diarrhea, no signs of vomiting. She ate some of her salmon, 
and then a bowl of beef. Do any of you kind folks know of a good wig 
maker? I'm bald from pulling my hair out from this little imp!
Nina




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RE: Cardiomyapathy

2005-05-16 Thread Doljan, Joan

CQ10 would be good.  I believe the dose is 10mgs per 10lbs of body weight. I
hope Joey does well.

Joan

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Subject: OT: Cardiomyapathy

   Hi All,
   Took my Joey in for an echo on his heart, his heart murmur is getting 
louder so my vet wanted him to get an echo cardiogram.

There is some thickening of the heart walls, very slight on the right, 
and more so on the left, which I guess is the norm for kitties that get 
this condition.  So he is in the early stages of cardiomyapathy (he is 
10 years old and negative).  He will have to take medication once the 
radioligist verifies the vets findings, but I also want to get him on 
some kind of natural supplements that are beneficial for the heart.  
Does anyone know what that may be, I always thought that COQ-10 was one, 
but now I'm not sure??  Is lycopene OK for cats?

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Re: Ginger ate a little (or at least licked at food)!

   That sounds good, I had to add more water to the AD because I was 
feedig Buddie through a tube and it had to be watered down a bit more.  
It sounds like she is definately feeling much better.  I've been told 
that kitties try to cover their food to hide it from other animals so 
they can come back to it later, I guess some of their bigger cousins 
wild cats do this :)

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Re: Cardiomyapathy

  Thanks Joan, I thought I had been told that but I couldn't find it 
anywhere.

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Re: OT: Cardiomyapathy





Yes, CoQ10 is the main one-- even conventional vets recommend it sometimes. 
I learned about it from Tufts Vet Hospital when my Snowball had 
hyrocardiomyopathy. I think I gave him a small amount of Vitamin E as well 
but am not totally sure-- I would look it up. I also read more recently 
that Hawthorn is good for various heart conditions, and I have an herbal pet 
supplement for heart problems with that in it. I can mail it to you if you want, 
since I do not have anyone (that I know of, knock on wood) with heart problems 
right now. My mom was giving it to her dog with heart problems, who then died of 
an undetected tumor which burst. My mom gave me all her meds because she could 
not bear to look at them, so I have this little bottle of pet herbal heart 
tincture if you want it. It says it is for dogs and cats, I think. It does 
have a little alcohol in it though. I know some people do not give alcohol 
tinctures to cats (I generally try to avoid it myself but have done it 
occasionally), so I do not know if that bothers you. But anyway, its main 
ingredient is hawthorn.

I don't know if cardiomyopathy is different than hydrocardiomyopathy, but 
Snowball died of a blood clot about 6 months after they diagnosed him. He 
was quite advanced when diagnosed, and was put on a bunch of medines including 
lasix and altenalol, and on a small amount of baby aspirin (I think it was one 
half a baby aspiring every other day but am not sure) to think his blood, but he 
got a blood clot anyway which paralyzed his back end and was very painful and I 
rushed him down to Tufts where they put him on oxygen, which took the pain away, 
and started to treat him, but he got a clot to his brain and died. I am 
not trying to scare you-- his was so much more advanced when we caught it than 
it sounds like Joey's is-- but wanted to tell you the stuff they put him on and 
what ultimately ended up happening. You might want to ask about blood 
thinners. There are stronger ones than baby aspirin but I think they do 
not like to use them because they can cause other problems like internal 
bleeding and anemia, I think, and need to be very closely monitored. I think 
Cumadin (sp?) is one of them.
Michelle
Michelle

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verifies 
  the vets findings, but I also want to get him on some kind of natural 
  supplements that are beneficial for the heart. Does anyone know what 
  that may be, I always thought that COQ-10 was one, but now I'm not 
  sure?? Is lycopene OK for cats?

Re: OT: Cardiomyapathy

2005-05-16 Thread Nina

Hi Belinda,
I'm sorry to hear Joey's heart murmur is getting louder.  (Grace has a 
heart murmur too).  I've also heard that anti-oxidants, like CoQ10 were 
good for the heart.  What is lycopene?  Is that a heart med?  I'm afraid 
I haven't done any research on heart conditions and what to do about 
them yet.  Please let us know what you find to help him, (I'll try to do 
some looking too), my thoughts and prayers are with you guys.
Nina

Belinda Sauro wrote:
  Hi All,
  Took my Joey in for an echo on his heart, his heart murmur is 
getting louder so my vet wanted him to get an echo cardiogram.

There is some thickening of the heart walls, very slight on the right, 
and more so on the left, which I guess is the norm for kitties that 
get this condition.  So he is in the early stages of cardiomyapathy 
(he is 10 years old and negative).  He will have to take medication 
once the radioligist verifies the vets findings, but I also want to 
get him on some kind of natural supplements that are beneficial for 
the heart.  Does anyone know what that may be, I always thought that 
COQ-10 was one, but now I'm not sure??  Is lycopene OK for cats?

RE: [FelineIBD] Gypsy Update

2005-05-16 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.

Title: Message



I 
guess the little soul knew what her body needed. That's great news, Nina! Onward 
and upward!
Kerry

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On Behalf Of NinaSent: Monday, May 16, 2005 12:48 
PMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: [FelineIBD] 
Gypsy UpdateI just posted this to my IBD group and, since 
you've all been so kind to have shown concern for Gypsy, I thought I'd let you 
folks know what's going on as well.NinaHi Everyone,Here's a 
brief update on my trials and tribulations with Missy-Thang Gypsy. 
Let's see, I think it was last Thursday, (Dana, I do keep a log, I just 
never seem to bring it to the computer with me!), my vet's office convinced 
me to try the Tylan I had purchased and to NOT taper off the Pred. I 
had called with the exact opposite in mind :( . Gypsy's 
"leaky faucet" had slowed to an almost imperceptible trickle and I don't 
think it had anything to do with the meds, any and all of her recovery 
has come about with her diet change, (fresh raw duck and salmon). The 
very next morning, I woke up to liquid diarrhea all over the house! 
Not to mention, she has still been vomiting, at least once a day, (this is a 
new symptom for her). Very, very upsetting. I called my vet and 
was told that Tylan is not associated with diarrhea and to keep giving it to 
her for at least 2 weeks. Arrrggh! Then Gypsy began refusing her 
food. I don't have to tell you people the meaning of the word 
frustration, but I was, (once again), at my wits end with this little 
girl. I offered her plain duck (no sups), plain salmon, turkey, chick 
liver: she would eat nothing. Finally she lapped up some veal baby 
food. Two more days of this. The good news was, no more leaky 
faucet, and the vomiting had stopped. I figured this could well be 
because she had so very little in her system. Yesterday afternoon, I 
made the decision that I would start to taper off the Pred, (start skipping 
it eod), and continue with the Tylan for at least a week, maybe two. 
This way, by the time we were finished with the Tylan, she'd be ready to 
stop the Pred as well. After that, it would be up to God whether or 
not Gypsy would get better without the meds. Well, last night my 
husband and I were eating London Broil for dinner. Here comes our 
Gypsy, "What you guys got?" I know that beef is harder to digest, so I 
haven't been offering her any. With my new, "let go and let God" 
determination, I cut her up some raw and put it in front of her. She 
scarfed it up like she hadn't eaten in days, (which she hadn't!). She 
ate 2 tablespoons, an enormous amount for this pint sized wonder, and was 
begging for more. I was afraid of what all this beef would do to her, 
so I offered her some salmon instead. She looked at me like, we've 
just been through this, I want BEEF! She wouldn't touch her 
salmon. This morning, no signs of diarrhea, no signs of 
vomiting. She ate some of her salmon, and then a bowl of beef. 
Do any of you kind folks know of a good wig maker? I'm bald from 
pulling my hair out from this little imp!Nina

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Re: OT: Cardiomyapathy

2005-05-16 Thread carlas


Belinda,

sorry I don't remember what is good for that. But I am keeping Joey 
in my prayers and thoughts.

Carla


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Hi All,
Took my Joey in for an echo on his heart, his heart murmur is
getting 
 louder so my vet wanted him to get an echo cardiogram.
 
 There is some thickening of the heart walls, very slight on the right,
 and more so on the left, which I guess is the norm for kitties that
 get this condition.  So he is in the early stages of cardiomyapathy
 (he is 10 years old and negative).  He will have to take medication
 once the radioligist verifies the vets findings, but I also want to
 get him on some kind of natural supplements that are beneficial for
 the heart.  Does anyone know what that may be, I always thought that
 COQ-10 was one, but now I'm not sure??  Is lycopene OK for cats?
 
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Re: Update on Akira





 Lisa,
 Honestly cats can stop eating for seemingly no reason at all, stress
can also cause them to stop eating. There is a condition called Cholagiohepatitis
http://www.vetinfo.com/cchohep.html#Cholagiohepatitis

Was she checked for this?


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Re: Update on Akira

2005-05-16 Thread tamara stickler

Lisa,

Just because Akira (great name by the way) is ready to go...doesn't mean she knows HOW to go. My aunt was dying of cancer and was absolutely ready to go for three monthsit still took those three months for her body to reconcile with her spirit.

Even tho we all KNOW better...I think we all function under the hope that THIS time, THIS animal will live foreverwe will stun all the vets and all the world with the fact that THIS animal is...20, 30, 40 yrs. old and won't actually die until that very minute that we do. Its not realistic...we KNOW its not realistic...but still, somewhere deep inside...we hope, we're certain...we know that this time, this one will live forever.

Part of that is because, this one WILL live forever, as will they all...unfortunately..the body has an expiration date.

Akira sounds like she's doing "well"...as it were. She doesn't seem scared, or in pain...she's purring, so she's prob. happy. Your stress is coming from you...your fear of losing her...your dread ofbeing withouther...and somewhere deep inside, the part you...(ALL of us who deal with the terminal loved one have been there at one time or another) that just wants it to be over with...and the misplaced guilt that comes with that. Its like having a gun pointed at you, and waiting for it to go off. I've been were you are...don't own the guilt, there is no sense to it.

You are trying to cover all the basis...to make certain that you've done- EVERYTHING humanly possiblebut think about that for a minute...with all the money, all the proceedures you could throw at Akira...what will your end result be...what will the road be for her...what quality of life would it really buy her? Like a doctor once said"I can give a glass of water vital signs."

Try to stop. BREATHE...ask yourself what the next step is that's best for both you and Akira. It may be allowing her to die, managing her pain while she does soor ..helping her to die with the assistance of a vet. 

Dying is not a bad thing. It is a natural part of lifeeverything that is born...must die- the body that is. Taking care of a pet during its life, is as natural as the duty of helping it to pass, in which ever way is best for you both.

I'm sorry that you have to go through all this. Just remember to take time to breathe and try to enjoy what time you have left together.

I'll keep you both in my prayers. God Bless. Akira is lucky to have you...and she knows it.

T

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Update on Akira

hi everyone, I just wanted to thank everyone for their prayers so far..and ask everyone to please continue praying.I am so upset and confused Ill tell you that much..I jsut dont know what to dolet me explain..mabey someone here (thanks to those who Ive talked to) can give me some advise/help/reassurance

Akira is still hanging in there...she is obviously very weak..she hasnt eaten in 10 daysyet she still isnt yellow I am so second guessing everything right nowshe jsut sleeps mostly..and only gets up to turn herself over when one side is getting sore.she refused water even about 4 days ago now..yet I took ehr outside yesterday again..and she drank some while outside...very little..but still...before that she has been jsut turning her nose up at it too.then again today she refuses it...Ive been giving her a little several times a day just to keep her mouth moist so her lips dont get chapped, or anything...but other than that she doesn't want it.she seems so alert though she still purrs when you pet her,a nd will lift her butt a little if you scratch "the spot", yet she wont get up for anything(but then again who wouldn't bee weak after 10 days not eating)she is so thin..I feel awfulbut I know natural deaths can take a while...up
 to even 3 weeks!!!..its been 10 days since any signifigant nurishmentand before that the only reall signifigant nurishment was one days worth at the vet.I was force feeding her the week before but she was refusing even that...and jsut not wanting it so she didn't get muchand now 3 days without water (not counting yesterday) The A/C that I had speak with Akira said Akira was ready to go.,...if that was true why is she still hanging on so tightly Her blood tests indicated something going on with her liver..since she hadnt eaten we assumed fatty liver ..but she would have been gone..and at LEAST yellow by now if that was true...so something else may be going on in her liver...BUT the CBC also indicated her FeLV had flared up and was causing problems..possibly even another cancer...which is what her vet was really worried about..her not havign much of a chanceand of course the all mighty $ plays into this whole senario WAY more than I would like
 it too...Ive got to think about the others tooIve got 7 other animals that I have to think about..and Indy right now is still going through having urinary issues..not so much but he still

Re: Update on Akira





When Simon got jaundiced and his liver looked funny on the ultrasound, they 
said it was either lymphoma or cholangiohepatits. Unfortunately the biopsy said 
the former. Cholangiohepatitis is treatable with antibiotics.
Michelle

In a message dated 5/16/05 3:58:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
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Lisa, Honestly cats can stop eating for seemingly no 
  reason at all, stress can also cause them to stop eating. There is a 
  condition called Cholagiohepatitis http://www.vetinfo.com/cchohep.html#CholagiohepatitisWas she checked for 
  this?

Re: Update on Akira

Lisa,

I wish I had some advice for you. Have you tried force feeding recently to see if she's more agreeable to it? I don't know what to tell you I'm sorry that you are going through this right now. It sounds like Akira is comfortable though. I don't know how she could be.. but it seems like she is. I wish they could talk. : (

tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Update on Akira

hi everyone, I just wanted to thank everyone for their prayers so far..and ask everyone to please continue praying.I am so upset and confused Ill tell you that much..I jsut dont know what to dolet me explain..mabey someone here (thanks to those who Ive talked to) can give me some advise/help/reassurance

Akira is still hanging in there...she is obviously very weak..she hasnt eaten in 10 daysyet she still isnt yellow I am so second guessing everything right nowshe jsut sleeps mostly..and only gets up to turn herself over when one side is getting sore.she refused water even about 4 days ago now..yet I took ehr outside yesterday again..and she drank some while outside...very little..but still...before that she has been jsut turning her nose up at it too.then again today she refuses it...Ive been giving her a little several times a day just to keep her mouth moist so her lips dont get chapped, or anything...but other than that she doesn't want it.she seems so alert though she still purrs when you pet her,a nd will lift her butt a little if you scratch "the spot", yet she wont get up for anything(but then again who wouldn't bee weak after 10 days not eating)she is so thin..I feel awfulbut I know natural deaths can take a while...up
 to even 3 weeks!!!..its been 10 days since any signifigant nurishmentand before that the only reall signifigant nurishment was one days worth at the vet.I was force feeding her the week before but she was refusing even that...and jsut not wanting it so she didn't get muchand now 3 days without water (not counting yesterday) The A/C that I had speak with Akira said Akira was ready to go.,...if that was true why is she still hanging on so tightly Her blood tests indicated something going on with her liver..since she hadnt eaten we assumed fatty liver ..but she would have been gone..and at LEAST yellow by now if that was true...so something else may be going on in her liver...BUT the CBC also indicated her FeLV had flared up and was causing problems..possibly even another cancer...which is what her vet was really worried about..her not havign much of a chanceand of course the all mighty $ plays into this whole senario WAY more than I would like
 it too...Ive got to think about the others tooIve got 7 other animals that I have to think about..and Indy right now is still going through having urinary issues..not so much but he still needs check up..and I would like a pro-raw holistic vet to look at him to hopefully get away from the commercial stuff he hates so much..and perhaps FIX him...rather than bandaid him...I spoke to Michelle (the vet) again today about all my concerns..she is going to fax me the bloopd results and an exact estimate of what all Akira would need and how much it would belike liver biopsy, feeding tube, other tests etcjust to humor me I asked her tooshe thinks it would be best just to let her goand I know she is looking at it form what I would be putting Akira through and myself (financially) through...which I respect...but Im just so worried has has more of a chance than I thought a week ago... Several peeps think I should try the feeding tubebut then what? something
 made her quit eating and the FeLV is looking like the cullpritplus withher CBC values being like they werethe vet fears the feeding tube may cause more problems...infection, irritation..and just plain not healing rightplus if her body rejects the food or not

Im so confused/stressed/worried..yet at teh same time I dont want to make the wrong decisonI wish it was so much more easier...black and white..not so much gray.

But she is still comfy, resting, not hiding, refusing food and water,a nd force feedingI dunno.And I still want to let her go naturally..I just dont know if now..I believe the A/C so much or not...if she was ready and wanted to go..why is this taking so long?

Either way...PLEASE..everyone continue to pray for her.
Lisa and the furbratsAkira, Indy, Spooky, Mona, Lancelot, Bowtie, Bennie and Anza

Re: Ginger ate a little (or at least licked at food)!

2005-05-16 Thread felv




I counteract the watering down by adding a teaspoon of 
Nutri-Cal to the mix, it bumps the calories back up without thickening it up too 
much to syringe. She may even lick the Nutri-Cal off your finger on her own, 
sometimes mine do that when I ask them nicely and make a big fuss over it being 
"such an yummy yummy treat!"
Jenn

~~~ 
You may want to syringe her a bit more, an adult cat needs between 5.5 and 
6.0 ounces of food to maintain their body weight, although tiny cats like my 
Shelbee don't eat anywhere near that much (Shelbee weights about 7 
pounds).You may want to stick with the 100ccs of food, because if you 
mix the food with water to thin it out (I'm speaking about AD here), a can 
works out to be around 200 or so ccs. So even if you are giving her 
around 100 it is only about half of what she needs. Since she 
isn't feeling well from the URI you don't want her to get weaker from not 
getting enough calories and make it that much harder to bounce back once the 
URI starts clearing up.
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OT: need name of MN no-kill shelter

2005-05-16 Thread BONNIE J KALMBACH

Can anyone help this person with the name and contact info of any no-
kill shelters or foster/rescue groups in Minneapolis?

Thanks very much,
Bonnie in WI

 - Original Message -
 From: Jean Colison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Monday, May 16, 2005 11:18 am
 Subject: no-kill shelter or foster in Minneapolis

 My brother knows of someone in Minneapolis who has been talking 
 about getting rid of her year old cat taking it to a kill 
 shelter.  (Also he wonders if she's abusing him/her.)  Does anyone 
 know of a no-kill shelter or foster group who could help?

 Thanks.

 Jean

Re: stitch

2005-05-16 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]


well stitch took a turn for the worse on sunday when his lymphoma came out of 
remission. he will start the ccnu if his CBC comes back with a good white blood 
cell count. keep your fingers crossed

Re: stitch

We're hoping for a miracle for Stitch here too.

tonyaNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I tell you Michael, some days it's very difficult to be a member of this list. We're due for a miracle or two, I'm hoping Stitch is one of them. I'm very glad Stitch has you to look after him. Are you getting to be with him more these days, or are you still separated most of the time? That's got to make it doubly difficult. My thoughts and prayers are with you guys. Thanks for taking the time to let us know how you're doing.Nina[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:well stitch took a turn for the worse on sunday when his lymphoma came out of remission. he will start the ccnu if his CBC comes back with a good white blood cell count. keep your fingers crossed

Re: stitch

2005-05-16 Thread Barbara Lowe

fingers crossed and praying. how much we come to love these little furballs.
hoping and praying for yours.
Barbara
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Subject: Re: stitch

 well stitch took a turn for the worse on sunday when his lymphoma came out
of remission. he will start the ccnu if his CBC comes back with a good white
blood cell count. keep your fingers crossed

RE..Update Akira

2005-05-16 Thread anzajaguar






In a message dated 5/16/2005 4:27:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
http://www.vetinfo.com/cchohep.html#Cholagiohepatitis

I want to thank everyone for their continued prayers adn kind words..they 
mean so much to me.,...I wish I could get hte same here.,...at home.Im so upset 
and just crying..inside..but can hardley seem to cry outwardly.My bf is not 
being overly nice about this..he wants to save hr no matter what..which I dont 
think is going to happen...and he is just making my second guessing myself all 
that much worseand even (I think..he says not) using it to make me 
feel worse about not doingt he feeding tube up front..I asked hi what were we 
supposed to do if one of the other needed vet care soonhes like "I 
dunno"well what kind of answer is that and then what about her?..and 
what she wants...I TOLD him it would be a long.,..not so pretty proccess..I dont 
know what he thought would happen...hes all "shes thin, shes losing her 
balance, her eye lids (third) are half way up, she ..this and that"..and I 
KNOWI jsut wish he would shut uphe doesn't care if its natural..he 
thinks its awful..adn now that I am doing teh what ifs...even more to myself..he 
is using that to make it worse on me..even though he swears he's not..

.as to everyone's suggestion..I have told her that is is ok for her to 
go..and I really mean it..I am terrified of seeing her this way... and am 
terrified of loosing her..she means so mcuh to meshe taught me so much, she 
has endured so much,...and she has taught others so much,.,,she is so special, 
and so magicalthis hurts so much..and I feel the only place I can get any 
comfort is here on the internet..not even at home Yet I really mean 
its ok for her to go.and I say it as honestly and heart felt as I can...I 
tell her I understand...and will see her again..adn know she will always be by 
my side..until she comes back to me...

and to Belinda..about teh hepatitis thing..I THINK that that is what teh 
liver biospy is for that they would have to do to her 


Lisa and the 
furbratsAkira, Indy, Spooky, Mona, Lancelot, Bowtie, Bennie and 
Anza

Re: RE..Update Akira

2005-05-16 Thread felv




I've not been responding with any suggestions so far, because 
I'm probably in the minority in my opinion, but I think she is suffering 
needlessly, and that HUMANE euthanasia would be the kindest thing for her at 
this point. I do not think that putting her through all the invasive procedures 
of biopsies and feeding tubes is the right thing to do. I know that if I ever 
get to that point, I HOPE that someone will have the kindness to ease my 
suffering and end my dwindling life (hopefully it will be legal by then). That's 
just how I feel though, and I'm not you, and she's not my cat, and I do not want 
you to in any way think that I am judging you, or criticizing your actions. It's 
just that you asked for opinions so many times, and I held my tongue a few 
times, but your plea has finally given me the will to say what I know will 
probably be my unpopular opinion. Whatever you decide, PLEASE make sure it is 
the decision that your heart tells you is the RIGHT one, because I know what 
living with regret every day feels like, and I don't want anyone to feel that 
kind of pain! My sincerest wishes of peace and understanding go out to you and 
Akira!
Jenn

~~~
Thank you for the suggestion...I have toldher numerous timesyet 
wonder if she doesn't believe me? Or if even my BF is complicating things 
by telling her no..even though in front of me and her he says its oktonight 
when I got home form work she looked so much worse...I want to do as she wants 
but yet I fear I cant stomach it...I feel so awful about it and then my BF 
really is making things worse on me b/c he wants to put her through the biopsy, 
feeding tube, and is playing on my confusion right now...and is saying "I told 
you so" about wanting to treat her...in more subtle ways (not really saying I 
told you so..in fact saying he isn't..but it sure comes across that 
way) I got an estimate form my vet...after a bit of pesteringit 
would be over 600$ just to start the feeding tube...and to perform the next 
steps of testing to see if she is even helpable..plus she would be in the 
hospital for a week or more to start with..and being put under for biopsy's and 
the insertion of the tube..I just don't know if it is worth it..to put her 
though it...

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Re: RE..Update Akira

Lisa,

Everyone has their own ideas about euthanasia. You have to do what is right for you and what you feel is right for Akira. I'm not you, and would not presume to tell you what is right in your situation. When I have been in similar situations I have sometimes chosen to euthanize, and sometimes I chose to treat. I think Jenn made some good points in her response. I am praying for you and Akira. I am so sorry. I do know how hard it is to have to make the decision whether to put your precious friend through medical procedures that may or may not help, and how difficult it is to make the decision to let them go whether it be naturally or by deciding to help them. It is so hard. But we are only human. We have no way of knowing what the right thing to do is. It's unfair that the decision is put on YOU. I will say that when I've had these kinds of decisions to make I've found it helpful to sit down one on one
and spend a lot of time talking to my cats and really looking into their eyes for answers. With each one it was different, but after a time I finally came up with a decision to treat or let go that I truly felt was a decision we 'agreed' on in some unspoken way. It gave me more of a feeling of peace. I wish I could help in some way, and you weren't in this position. I don't know how I really feel about animal communicators, but I dothink that there is a stronger bond and stronger communication between you and Akira than with an AC and Akira. What seems right to the two of you is what is most important.

tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I've not been responding with any suggestions so far, because I'm probably in the minority in my opinion, but I think she is suffering needlessly, and that HUMANE euthanasia would be the kindest thing for her at this point. I do not think that putting her through all the invasive procedures of biopsies and feeding tubes is the right thing to do. I know that if I ever get to that point, I HOPE that someone will have the kindness to ease my suffering and end my dwindling life (hopefully it will be legal by then). That's just how I feel though, and I'm not you, and she's not my cat, and I do not want you to in any way think that I am judging you, or criticizing your actions. It's just that you asked for opinions so many times, and I held my tongue a few times, but your plea has finally given me the will to say what I know will probably be my unpopular opinion. Whatever you decide, PLEASE make sure it is the decision that your heart tells you is the RIGHT one, because I
know what living with regret every day feels like, and I don't want anyone to feel that kind of pain! My sincerest wishes of peace and understanding go out to you and Akira!
Jenn

~~~
Thank you for the suggestion...I have toldher numerous timesyet wonder if she doesn't believe me? Or if even my BF is complicating things by telling her no..even though in front of me and her he says its oktonight when I got home form work she looked so much worse...I want to do as she wants but yet I fear I cant stomach it...I feel so awful about it and then my BF really is making things worse on me b/c he wants to put her through the biopsy, feeding tube, and is playing on my confusion right now...and is saying "I told you so" about wanting to treat her...in more subtle ways (not really saying I told you so..in fact saying he isn't..but it sure comes across that way) I got an estimate form my vet...after a bit of pesteringit would be over 600$ just to start the feeding tube...and to perform the next steps of testing to see if she is even helpable..plus she would be in the hospital for a week or more to start with..and being put under for
biopsy's and the insertion of the tube..I just don't know if it is worth it..to put her though it...
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Re: RE..Update Akira




Re: euthanasia, everyone has their own take on it. I think it is ok to let 
Akira go on her own, and it sounds like there are still things she is enjoying, 
even if you are willing to help her at the point if/when she stops enjoying 
anything. But I do not see any harm in giving sub q fluids if it does not 
freak her out, and giving a shot of dexamethasone to see if it helps. Neither 
will hurt and they could make her much more comfortable. Many dying humans 
are on dexamethasone I have heard, as it increases feelings of physical and 
mental well-being.

Given how long she has held on, though, I am also not sure that a test or 
two would be a bad idea to see if this is something she can actually 
survive. I can not see her, only you can, so you have a better idea. I did 
not think she had hope of surviving before you emailed how she is doing these 
last few days. I don't know if you remember what happened with Simon, but 
he seemed at least as close to death a month before he actually died. He could 
not walk or even hold himself up in the litter box-- I had to hold him in there, 
and he had not eaten or been fed for 3 days or drunk anything for 2 days. I 
loaded him up with steroids and then thought there was no hope and just stayed 
with him, thinking he would die, and all of a sudden one night he started 
drinking and eating and by the next day was walking around and jumping. He only 
had another month after that, but most of it was really good time-- eating, 
playing, cuddling, going outside, and even climbing up a carpeted wall into the 
ceiling (the first feline in the house to do that). I am not saying Akira 
could have a month, and I am not saying that everyone would or should think that 
a month is worth intervention of any kind, but I do want to convey to you that I 
and everyone on this list thought Simon was in the process of dying when some 
simple steroid shots pulled him out of it. He then got more chemo, of 
course, which is probably what gave him most of the month. 

Basically, I do not think that you are necessarily wrong in what you are 
thinking and what you are doing, but I do not think your boyfriend is 
necessarily wrong either. There might be things that could save her, or at least 
give her a little more quality time, but you can't know without trying 
them. It may be that she does not want that, that you do not want that, 
and/or that you can not afford it. I am just saying that it really might 
be possible.

I have let several cats go without euthanasia, and have also done 
euthanasia right at the end when they clearly enter the last stage of dying 
(respiratory distress). I do not euthanize before that except in 
exceptional circumstances where it is clear something really horrible is about 
to happen. So I have seen a lot of last days. I personally have 
never seen the dying process take 10 days. Perhaps that is because I have given 
fluids, steroids, and feedings until they could not accept them anymore due to 
vomiting, etc., but it is usually pretty close to the end at that point. I 
may be wrong, as I only know what has happened to my own animals and clearly I 
have not seen everything, but it seems to me that if she is taking this long to 
die she has, or had, some reserves and really was not, and maybe is not, so 
close to death. 

I am not sure where that leaves anything, but I just wanted to 
counterbalance the suggestion to euthanize her. I am not saying that such 
suggestion is wrong; I just disagree with it because I have seen amazing 
rebounds, and what Akira is going through and doing makes it seem to me that the 
absence of food and water are probably what are making her the weakest right 
now.

Prayers to you both,
Michelle

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