Re: Cotton
Have you had an ultrasound done? Presto - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 2:26 AM Subject: Re: Cotton I don't know Sandy, I don't have any experience with treating lymphoma. Michelle is our resident expert on that, (unfortunately for Michelle). I do know that I've stopped listening so gravely to the prognosis' of vets. Miracles happen every single day and since this is a suspicion and has not been determined, I would fight hard against the urge to give up hope that Cotton is here for a good long while. Didn't you say that he was acting like the feisty little kitten he is? What did this vet suggest as your next move? Is it possible that new xrays/diagnostics might show something different now that he seems in so much better health? What did his blood work indicate? Keep your chin up, we're all pulling for you and Cotton.NinaDudes wrote: Hi Everyone; I got a second opinion on Cotton's xray of his 2 view abdomen which we got when he was sick almost a month ago. The vet said that Cotton's liver and kidneys are enlarged, which makes her very suspicious of lymphoma. She said that if this is the case in both his kidneys and liver at such a young age, his prognosis is poor. Any thoughts? Sandy
Re: Hideyo's court case 19th??
Hi Hideyo, Thank you, and I want to apologize to you. I shouldn't have asked so many questions. But most of all, I should never have suggested that you "not get herself into this situation again" regarding the number of cats you have, in the context of offering to transport them. That was completely out-of-line on my part, it wasn't polite, and I'm very ashamed that I said that. I profoundly apologize. Sometimes I phrase things very badly and don't think them out. I feel awful about it. I understand exactly why you have so many, and why you'll continue to take them in. When Everett and I moved into our house, over two years ago, we swore not to take in any more cats. We moved here with 32. Since then, ten positives have died. And five escaped by mistake through pet-proof fencing that initially wasn't pet-proof, and were probably killed by coyotes. You would think we'd be down to 17. Then why is it that we have 36? Because in those cases, it was a take-them-in-or-they'll-die situation. There wasn't a humane alternative. I wrote a description of how we got them and why, but it was bounced back to me because it was too long for this website. Like you, all but two of our cats are unplaceable, for the same reasons. And, like you, we've spent a lot of money on altering our house for the cats. It cost us ten-thousand to replace the carpeting with wall-to-wall vinyl throughout the house. You've spent four times as much. If five outdoor colonies are dependent upon you, and if no one is there to take over their maintenance from you, then how can you move? I understand. Someone took over the colony we were helping with when we moved. (But first, we trapped all the ones we could--and took them with us. You don't have that option; you're too crowded.) Ev and I did our rescue and foster work from rented apartments until two years ago. We always had to hide the cats, or find sympathetic landlords (which was difficult). I'd love to hear your stories about how you got all of your cats, probably privately so that we don't take up webspace. Please? Love and luck, Presto - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 7:32 PM Subject: RE: Hideyo's court case 19th?? Oh.. Presto you are so sweet and I appreciate your offer but it will be impossible to find homes for all my cats I have so many.. I hate to mention the number, but I do. I dont know anyone else who has as many as I do and most of them are feral cats and they will not do well if they are moved ---medical conditions are different from cats to cats.. but no one else will be able to even touch them as they are so skittish I posted the very ordinance which stops me having the cats I have I guess, I would sell my house and move to other area if it comes to that.. fortunately the value of my property has gone up so much lately that I can sell at least for twice as much as I had originally paid for.. but I also take care of about stray kitties in 5 different colonies in my area.. so I really hate to move.. I also spent $45000 to on my house to accommodate my cats area.. so I hate to leave the house, too. But they are not going to take my cats away, meaning I wont let them.. I wont know how.. but I am not going to let that happen.. I promised these guys that I will give them a better life and I will take care of them for the rest of their lives.. and I just have to figure out Maybe, my baby Garfunkle who passed away will be guiding me as an my guardian angel and watching me and his friends from heaven and somehow a miracle will happen again .. Love Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of PrestoSent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 5:25 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Hideyo's court case 19th?? I think it would be a good idea to set up a contingency plan, in case the court decision goes against Hideyo. She may not be given the time to file an appeal. She may not have the money to file an appeal. The cats may be taken away from her within a matter of days after a negative decision. Perhaps we can help her place her cats, if the need arises. How many does she have? What are their medical problems, shyness quotients, and ages? Is she willing to get them to an airport and air-freight them to us? Will we help her with the airfare? I've air-freighted cats in the past, and have no hesitation about doing so, nor any hesitation in paying the fee. Others may not feel the same. Do you have room in your homes to take in one or more of her cats? Is she liable to take in more cats after a negative decision and clearance of her household? In
Re: Cotton
I don't know Sandy, I don't have any experience with treating lymphoma. Michelle is our resident expert on that, (unfortunately for Michelle). I do know that I've stopped listening so gravely to the prognosis' of vets. Miracles happen every single day and since this is a suspicion and has not been determined, I would fight hard against the urge to give up hope that Cotton is here for a good long while. Didn't you say that he was acting like the feisty little kitten he is? What did this vet suggest as your next move? Is it possible that new xrays/diagnostics might show something different now that he seems in so much better health? What did his blood work indicate? Keep your chin up, we're all pulling for you and Cotton. Nina Dudes wrote: Hi Everyone; I got a second opinion on Cotton's xray of his 2 view abdomen which we got when he was sick almost a month ago. The vet said that Cotton's liver and kidneys are enlarged, which makes her very suspicious of lymphoma. She said that if this is the case in both his kidneys and liver at such a young age, his prognosis is poor. Any thoughts? Sandy
Re: OT:CROSS POST..Newnan, GA.-Newnan-Coweta Humane Soc - BLIND KITTEN...
We have two deaf cats currently. In CA, we fostered and adopted out two deaf cats. One, we adopted out to a deaf lady! She used to give us updates by calling us using a service that translated her typing into a voice. We almost received a third deaf cat this summer, a street cat, but he was fatally ill and in terrible pain from septic lungs when he was transferred to us, and was euthanized. All five cats were/are white. Only two of them had/have blue eyes, though. One's from the Congo. Presto - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 1:03 AM Subject: Re: OT:CROSS POST..Newnan,GA.-Newnan-Coweta Humane Soc - BLIND KITTEN... So sad. There are times I don't know how I'll survive the grief of all the little angels that never get a chance. I was wondering about the cataracts too... I've never had a blind, or deaf cat in my home. But then again, there was a time I never had a kitty with felv too. Have you tried to contact the person that sent out the cross post about the little blind girl? I didn't want to get their hopes up, but I can't stop thinking about her. Do you think you might be able to take her in?N[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tired to get the white injured cat...the injured pit pup and was too late...
Re: OT:CROSS POST..Newnan, GA.-Newnan-Coweta Humane Soc - BLIND KITTEN...
That's a good suggestion, Nina. If someone local could adopt her and then transport/ship her to one of us, we could help. I've fostered blind cats on two occasions. They're wonderful. Nina - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 12:36 AM Subject: Re: OT:CROSS POST..Newnan,GA.-Newnan-Coweta Humane Soc - BLIND KITTEN... Terrie,This little angel's story broke my heart. I know it says that you have to apply for adoption in person, but couldn't someone else adopt her and then have her transported? I don't know why I'm asking, my husband would kill me, if he knew what I was thinking, but I just can't stand to think of her being in this situation without anyone to love her. Do you know the person that asked for cross posting?Nina[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CROSS POSTING! Please help me spread the word about this baby!! This absolutely breaks my heart!!! Shelter Rescue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:11:09 -0500From: Shelter Rescue [EMAIL PROTECTED] Julie, Didn't know if you had another picked out to replace the orange kitty for the front page, but this kitten is in "the back" - and that means the next to be put down. She wasn't going to be put up for rescue/adoption, but the supervisor agreed to give her a few days. Although the flash of the camera makes her look as though she has no eyes in the picture, she just has the foggy eyes and you can tell that she is blind. Read the description below. IC-4KITTENDomestic Short Hair,Tabby - Grey Mix Size: SmallAge: BabySex: FemaleID: 05120510 Coweta AC Notes: PLEASE CONTACT COWETA COUNTY ANIMAL CONTROL TO ADOPT THIS PET: 770-254-3735. This precious baby will break your heart!!! She is blind...she looks to have cataracts over both her eyes (you can see when we took her picture how the camera reflected the cataracts). She was brought into animal control because she "bit" someone (she was probably very scared because she can't see). When I took her out to take her picture...she snuggled up as close as she could get to my neck and began to purr non-stop even while trembling. It broke our heart to put her back into her cage (she felt her way right back to her spot behind her litter box). PLEASE..please do not let her life end at animal control. She desperately needs to be part of a loving family where she will be safe. Please hurry! This sweetie will be avail. for adoption, rescue OR EUTHANIZATION 12/15!! NOTE: CCAC CANNOT ADOPT ONLINE OR OVER THE PHONE. ADOPTIONS MUST BE DONE IN PERSON. This pet is eligible for a gift of the first month of ShelterCare pet insurance paid for by Petfinder.com.For more information on pet insurance please visit us online at http://www.sheltercare.com or call 1-866-375-PETS. E-mail this pet to a friend! Newnan-Coweta Humane SocietyNewnan, GAmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Pet Inquiry: IC-4 (Id 05120510 Coweta AC)
Re: Cotton
Are you using Interferon? Presto - Original Message - From: Dudes To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 10:04 PM Subject: Cotton Hi Everyone; I got a second opinion on Cotton's xray of his 2 view abdomen which we got when he was sick almost a month ago. The vet said that Cotton's liver and kidneys are enlarged, which makes her very suspicious of lymphoma. She said that if this is the case in both his kidneys and liver at such a young age, his prognosis is poor. Any thoughts? Sandy
Re: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal
Hi Patti, I love your snoring cat below your name! So you keep whiskers, too. Someone should compose an ode to whiskers. "Works of beauty, side by side, sleek along my leg you slide; now discarded on the floor, I'll keep you forevermore" Got it. Here's an idea for a fundraiser. Have a poem about whiskers inscribed on little cloth banners to be hung on the wall, and hot-glue whiskers to an image of a cat drawn on the banner. Name the cat "Carpet Scraps" or some such. Presto - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 7:14 PM Subject: Re: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal In a message dated 12/9/05 5:47:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. I do keep whiskers of my cats.. I also have a "Whisker Jar"!! Patti
Re: OT:CROSS POST..Newnan, GA.-Newnan-Coweta Humane Soc - BLIND KITTEN...
So sad. There are times I don't know how I'll survive the grief of all the little angels that never get a chance. I was wondering about the cataracts too... I've never had a blind, or deaf cat in my home. But then again, there was a time I never had a kitty with felv too. Have you tried to contact the person that sent out the cross post about the little blind girl? I didn't want to get their hopes up, but I can't stop thinking about her. Do you think you might be able to take her in? N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tired to get the white injured cat...the injured pit pup and was too late...
Re: OT:CROSS POST..Newnan, GA.-Newnan-Coweta Humane Soc - BLIND KITTEN...
I tired to get the white injured cat...the injured pit pup and was too late...
Re: OT:CROSS POST..Newnan, GA.-Newnan-Coweta Humane Soc - BLIND KITTEN...
no she is haunting me too I was asking rescue friends if cataracts can be fixed in kittens...
Re: OT:CROSS POST..Newnan, GA.-Newnan-Coweta Humane Soc - BLIND KITTEN...
I'm thinking about it. As understanding as my husband is, and believe me, he's understanding, when I told him her story today, he looked at me with exasperation and asked me to please try and realize I can't change the way the world is. His advice was to focus on the joys instead of the sorrows. Not bad advice, but this baby is haunting me. Why, do you have more information about her? N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You thinking of taking her Nina?
Re: OT:CROSS POST..Newnan, GA.-Newnan-Coweta Humane Soc - BLIND KITTEN...
You thinking of taking her Nina?
Re: OT:CROSS POST..Newnan, GA.-Newnan-Coweta Humane Soc - BLIND KITTEN...
Terrie, This little angel's story broke my heart. I know it says that you have to apply for adoption in person, but couldn't someone else adopt her and then have her transported? I don't know why I'm asking, my husband would kill me, if he knew what I was thinking, but I just can't stand to think of her being in this situation without anyone to love her. Do you know the person that asked for cross posting? Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CROSS POSTING! Please help me spread the word about this baby!! This absolutely breaks my heart!!! Shelter Rescue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:11:09 -0500 From: Shelter Rescue [EMAIL PROTECTED] Julie, Didn't know if you had another picked out to replace the orange kitty for the front page, but this kitten is in "the back" - and that means the next to be put down. She wasn't going to be put up for rescue/adoption, but the supervisor agreed to give her a few days. Although the flash of the camera makes her look as though she has no eyes in the picture, she just has the foggy eyes and you can tell that she is blind. Read the description below. IC-4 KITTEN Domestic Short Hair,Tabby - Grey Mix Size: Small Age: Baby Sex: Female ID: 05120510 Coweta AC Notes: PLEASE CONTACT COWETA COUNTY ANIMAL CONTROL TO ADOPT THIS PET: 770-254-3735. This precious baby will break your heart!!! She is blind...she looks to have cataracts over both her eyes (you can see when we took her picture how the camera reflected the cataracts). She was brought into animal control because she "bit" someone (she was probably very scared because she can't see). When I took her out to take her picture...she snuggled up as close as she could get to my neck and began to purr non-stop even while trembling. It broke our heart to put her back into her cage (she felt her way right back to her spot behind her litter box). PLEASE..please do not let her life end at animal control. She desperately needs to be part of a loving family where she will be safe. Please hurry! This sweetie will be avail. for adoption, rescue OR EUTHANIZATION 12/15!! NOTE: CCAC CANNOT ADOPT ONLINE OR OVER THE PHONE. ADOPTIONS MUST BE DONE IN PERSON. This pet is eligible for a gift of the first month of ShelterCare pet insurance paid for by Petfinder.com. For more information on pet insurance please visit us online at http://www.sheltercare.com or call 1-866-375-PETS. E-mail this pet to a friend! Newnan-Coweta Humane Society Newnan, GA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Pet Inquiry: IC-4 (Id 05120510 Coweta AC)
Cotton
Hi Everyone; I got a second opinion on Cotton's xray of his 2 view abdomen which we got when he was sick almost a month ago. The vet said that Cotton's liver and kidneys are enlarged, which makes her very suspicious of lymphoma. She said that if this is the case in both his kidneys and liver at such a young age, his prognosis is poor. Any thoughts? Sandy
RE: Hideyo's court case 19th??
Thank you so much,, it’s all very helpful.. I will definitely follow your advise. I feel lots of pressure – my BF is a lawyer, and he offered to write all the arguments for me (and I actually am the one who is presenting my case)… but the time is approaching and he is just so busy.. but I feel badly about bugging him.. I was also reading some stuff on the website from other cases.. that when it’s assumed that the ordinance does not make sense, it’s a burden of the challenger (which is me) to prove that it’s not -and though it totally does not make how they calculate how many animals one can have.. how do I prove it it does not make sense scientifically??? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 8:39 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Hideyo's court case 19th?? ok. The intent definitely helps, for two reasons: one, you are not violating the intent and are in fact furthering it, and two, it helps to show that their formula for deciding the number of animals has no rational basis and does not have any relation to the intent of the statute. But you are not arguing that the "enforcement" is problematic (well, you are actually, in that they gave a permit one year and then not the next)-- you are actually arguing that the provision in the ordinance with the calculation formula is problematic, unconstitutional really. The provision with the formula is not the enforcement, it is another part of the law itself. Enforcement is what the town does with the law, i.e. the animal office giving you a permit one year and denying it the next. I definitely think that you should raise with the city attorney beforehand that the law is being changed anyway, so it does not make sense for them to fight about its constitutionality and rational basis right now when it will be different soon anyway. I personally think that you should try to meet with the city attorney before the hearing and 1) provide him with letters from the people who are writing them and are going to testify, and 2) provide him with copies of all the relevant cases you get from ALDF, and 3) make the argument about equitable estoppel, arbitrary and capricious behavior, and 4) talk about the city changing the law anyway (if you can get someone from the mayor's office to call the city attorney about this beforehand that would be great). There is a danger to laying it all out beforehand, which is that if the attorney does want to fight you on this he will have more time to think, research, and respond to all the arguments you are making. But if he is at all reasonable I think that seeing the evidence, hearing the arguments, and realizing how much work it will end up taking him to prosecute this and then the law might change soon anyway will make him just want to drop it. Again, take this as a suggestion for further thinking and research, not legal advice per se. Michelle In a message dated 12/9/2005 6:22:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And I am going to argue that I am not violating any of the intents of the law – I am questioning their way of “enforcing” the law based on how they currently calculate the number of animals one can have. I am also working on the city counselor who is re-writing the ordinance – the new ordinance will not include the portion of the stupid law I mentioned in earlier message – the bill has not bee presented or passed yet.. but right now, I am stuck with the current ordinance.
RE: Hideyo's court case 19th??
Thank you, Michelle – The only problem is that.. the officer who gave me “the permit” did not give me anything physically – I asked for it, and he said that there was not anything he could give it to me physically.. but I know that there are people in the animal services he told that I have a permit.. so..we were and are planning to argue that point anyway. Thank you, Michelle very much.. I have also found tons of stuff I could use for the argument – so hopefully things will go ok.. but will keep you posted. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Presto Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 9:09 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Hideyo's court case 19th?? Michelle, this is fabulous. Very good information to know. I've printed it and tucked it in a cat file, in case anyone I know (or Ev and I) get into a similar predicament in the future. I won't quote your name, so as not to get you into trouble. Can you still practice law in MA, although you are in NJ? Due to my father's recent death and an inheritance, I need to make a will, and I want to include the care of our cats in that will, especially in case Ev and I are both killed in an accident or he predeceases me. Is this something you can do? Or do you have friends/acquaintances, still in MA, who can do it? Presto - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 10:29 AM Subject: Re: Hideyo's court case 19th?? Hideyo, Glad to hear you are not pleading guilty. If they gave you the permits in prior years, I think you need to talk to your boyfriend about making the following two arguments as well, in addition to challenging the rational basis for the ordinance itself: 1) equitable estoppel-- this is a legal principle that basically means that once a party says something and causes a person to rely on the statement, they then can't turn around and try to say the opposite in court. If the town gave you the permit last year, they essentially said it was ok for you to have that number of animals, and they caused you to rely on that fact. They can not then turn around and say the opposite the next year, after you have relied on it and spent so much money (this is what is often important to them!) remaking the facility to accommodate them. If you spent any money on stuff for the cats or the house related to the cats since they gave you that permit, I would dig up receipts or any proof of that, or take pictures of it. You should then argue, I think, that you relied in terms of that much money, not to mention emotional investment, on their saying it was ok for you to have that many cats, and the principle of equitable estoppel prohibits them from turning around now and saying the opposite. You should talk to your boyfriend about this and ask him to do some research on this principle in similar issues, like zoning permits and stuff. He will know what it is-- it is a very basic common law principle. 2) You should argue, I think, that the action of denying the permit for the same number of animals they approved last year, without any relevant change of circumstances, is "arbitrary and capricious." I do not know much about municipal law, but when a state agency takes actions that are arbitrary and capricious they can usually be struck down as such, under the state administrative procedures act or common law. I would bet there is some principle like this related to town government as well. Your boyfriend might want to do some research on the actions of town governments being arbitrary and capricious. Basically, you would be arguing that in addition to the ordinance itself lacking rational basis and thereby being unconstitutional (I believe under substantive due process clause of federal and state constitutions), the actions of the government actors themselves were unconstitutional by being arbitrary and capricious. I hope this makes sense. I could actually get in a lot of trouble giving legal advice for a state I am not admitted to practice in, and I really am no expert on NM law. So take all of this as suggestions for further research and thinking on your boyfriend's part rather than legal advice per se. But this is what comes to mind for me. I think you should have your boyfriend call ALDF to talk the three arguments through with them too (unconstitutionality of ordinance, unconstitutionality of government actions for being arbitrary and capricious, and equitable estoppel based on 2004 permits) to figure out if they make sense and how best to frame them. Hope this helps. Michelle In a message dated 12/9/2005 6:22:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh.. did I say I was going to plead guilty? If so, I am sorry, I meant, “not guilty The irony
Re: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal
In a message dated 12/9/05 5:47:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. I do keep whiskers of my cats.. I also have a "Whisker Jar"!! Patti
RE: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal
Title: Message I sure will --- he does not like very much right now or rather is afraid of me.. but when he starts feeling better, I know he will love me again! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 4:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal Hooray for Hannibal! I'm so pleased to hear he came through so well. Don't forget to let us know when he starts eating better! N Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: Yes! I was so nervous.. but I waited by his side the entire time.. now he is painful tooth free!! Thank you for all your prayers!
Re: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal
Excellent news! T - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 6:09 PM Subject: Re: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal Hooray for Hannibal! I'm so pleased to hear he came through so well. Don't forget to let us know when he starts eating better!NHideyo Yamamoto wrote: Yes! I was so nervous.. but I waited by his side the entire time.. now he is painful tooth free!! Thank you for all your prayers!
Re: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal
Hooray for Hannibal! I'm so pleased to hear he came through so well. Don't forget to let us know when he starts eating better! N Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: Message Yes! I was so nervous.. but I waited by his side the entire time.. now he is painful tooth free!! Thank you for all your prayers!
Re: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal
Title: Message Hah! Yup, that's the way it goes. If you find a whisker close to where the cat has been sleeping regularly, you can hope it's that cat's. But it's hard to tell. - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 5:09 PM Subject: RE: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal I thought of a second to ask for it back.. then, I started concentrated on his recovery, then I forgot.. I do keep whiskers of my cats.. I just dont know which cats it belongs to, since I have so many,, and I keep finding on the floor . From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of PrestoSent: Friday, December 09, 2005 1:02 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal May I add a little humor? Sometimes in traumatized times, a little humor helps. You might want to have Hannibal's tooth saved. I have a tooth collection. Whenever a dental is done on one of our cats--and many, many have been done--I have the extracted teeth saved. The doctor and I examine them together, and then I place them in a container with the cat's name on it, and stash it in my tooth collection. I've joked about having them put on a necklace, African-style. But I'm not serious. I also have a whisker collection, in containers in the same drawer with the teeth. Whenever I find a shed whisker on the floor, I pick it up, admire it, and put it in my whisker collection. I thought maybe I could have a potter design little ceramic cats and insert the whiskers in the appropriate places, entitling them "Carpet Scraps" to make people aware that they hadn't been pulled from the cat. But I thought better of it. Presto - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 2:22 PM Subject: RE: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal Dear Hideyo I'm sending all good wishes and positive vibes for sweet Hannibal...perhaps by now he has had his tooth pulled? Please let us know how he's doing when you have time... love and hugs to you both, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 6:47 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: OT: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal Hi, I am thinking of taking him to my vet to have them pull his tooth tomorrow morning -- again, he is an older boy, and has a kidney problem (or had), and heart murmur.. the vet thinks he has FIP due to high level of globulin (very high..) which by the way I dont think he has.. Anyway,, I am afraid that he is losing weight because of the pain in his tooth, and am thinking of taking a chance to anesthesia him so that they can pull his tooth. You guys, I need all your prayers for my baby, Hannibal so that the surgery will go well, and he will recover well he is one of my very feral boy,, though he is not a lap cat, I so love him and care for him dearly and I need your help sending him a good energy Thank you in advance. Love Hideyo and Hannibal =00 IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal
Title: Message Thank you! No, he is wide awake, walking around and running away from me J --- I usually ask them not to use any sedatives (injectables) for my cats when they go through surgery.. and usually, by the time I drive them back home (in 20 min or so)… they are running around I was so relieved to see his face after the surgery, though!! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 3:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal That's so good to hear! How does he seem--is he a little dazed still? But otherwise ok? Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 4:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal Yes! I was so nervous.. but I waited by his side the entire time.. now he is painful tooth free!! Thank you for all your prayers! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 12:23 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal Dear Hideyo I'm sending all good wishes and positive vibes for sweet Hannibal...perhaps by now he has had his tooth pulled? Please let us know how he's doing when you have time... love and hugs to you both, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 6:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal Hi, I am thinking of taking him to my vet to have them pull his tooth tomorrow morning -- again, he is an older boy, and has a kidney problem (or had), and heart murmur.. the vet thinks he has FIP due to high level of globulin (very high..) – which by the way I don’t think he has.. Anyway,, I am afraid that he is losing weight because of the pain in his tooth, and am thinking of taking a chance to anesthesia him so that they can pull his tooth. You guys, I need all your prayers for my baby, Hannibal so that the surgery will go well, and he will recover well… he is one of my very feral boy,, though he is not a lap cat, I so love him and care for him dearly and I need your help sending him a good energy Thank you in advance. Love Hideyo and Hannibal =00 IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. =00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
FW: nuisance ordinances
Hi, I got this from ALDF - very interesting.. I am just forwarding this to you in case you guys find it interesting.. -Original Message- From: ALDF Info [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 11:11 AM To: Hideyo Yamamoto Subject: RE: nuisance ordinances Hi Ishideyo, Per our conversation, I have included the pleadings summaries for nuisance ordinances that address limiting the number of pets one can have under their care (see attachment). Additional parts of these pleadings summaries are available to attorneys per his/her request. You might find additional helpful information at the Animal Legal and Historical Center, see: http://www.animallaw.info/articles/ddusdognumberordinances.htm. Although we do not have an attorney referral network, we do offer contact information for organizations that do assist with referrals, see: http://www.aldf.org/packets.asp?sect=resources, select: "finding an attorney". I hope this is helpful. Take care and best wishes for all concerned. For the animals, BJ Avery Title: 240 - Ordinances Limiting Number of Animals 240 - Ordinances Limiting Number of Animals Number Caption Court State Date Summary 240.10 Fiala v. Village of Carpentersville U.S. Supreme Court 1981 Petition for Writ of Certiorari to the U.S. Supreme Court raised the issue of the constitutionality of a local ordinance which prohibits the ownership of more than two (2) dogs in a single-family residence, but contains no reference to nuisance or danger to the general public. 240.20 Goodhue v. L.A. County Department of Animal Control Superior Court of CA, L.A. County CA 1985 Petitioner housed a greater number of pets than allowed by city ordinance. For many years, she held a kennel permit. In 1985, Petitioner's request for permit renewal was denied based on her being in a residential area. No hearing was granted. Petitions for Writ of Mandate and Prohibition were granted ex parte. 240.30 People v. Lawrence Superior Court, County of Nevada, CA, App. Dept. CA 1987 Defendant, who ran a shelter for stray cats, was convicted of violating a county zoning ordinance which forbids more than three (3) adult cats on less than one (1) acre of land. Defendant appealed unsuccessfully. 246.10 State v. Beckert 61 A.2d 213,N.J. Supreme Court NJ 1948 Upheld ordinance which limited number of dogs per household to three. 246.20 Bell v. Barrett 241 GA 103,GA Supreme Court GA 1978 Upheld ordinance which limited residents to three dogs per household. 246.30 Commonwealth of PA v. Creighton 639 A2d 1296,Commonwealth Court of Pennsylvania PA 1994 Cat owner appealed from summary conviction for violating ordinance limiting the number of cats and/or dogs which a person could keep within the Borough to a total of five. The Commonwealth Court of the State of Pennsylvania, reversing the State Appellate Court and remanding to the trial court, held: 1. that the ordinance reached beyond the power of the municipality to regulate nuisances, in that it did not require the municipality to affirmatively establish that a nuisance in fact existed; 2. that the trial court failed to obtain sufficient information to determine whether the ordinance provided a reasonable means to effectuate a legitimate governmental goal to protect the public interest.
RE: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal
Title: Message That's so good to hear! How does he seem--is he a little dazed still? But otherwise ok? Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Friday, December 09, 2005 4:13 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal Yes! I was so nervous.. but I waited by his side the entire time.. now he is painful tooth free!! Thank you for all your prayers! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 12:23 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal Dear Hideyo I'm sending all good wishes and positive vibes for sweet Hannibal...perhaps by now he has had his tooth pulled? Please let us know how he's doing when you have time... love and hugs to you both, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 6:47 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: OT: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal Hi, I am thinking of taking him to my vet to have them pull his tooth tomorrow morning -- again, he is an older boy, and has a kidney problem (or had), and heart murmur.. the vet thinks he has FIP due to high level of globulin (very high..) – which by the way I don’t think he has.. Anyway,, I am afraid that he is losing weight because of the pain in his tooth, and am thinking of taking a chance to anesthesia him so that they can pull his tooth. You guys, I need all your prayers for my baby, Hannibal so that the surgery will go well, and he will recover well… he is one of my very feral boy,, though he is not a lap cat, I so love him and care for him dearly and I need your help sending him a good energy Thank you in advance. Love Hideyo and Hannibal=00 IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. =00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal
Title: Message Yes! I was so nervous.. but I waited by his side the entire time.. now he is painful tooth free!! Thank you for all your prayers! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 12:23 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal Dear Hideyo I'm sending all good wishes and positive vibes for sweet Hannibal...perhaps by now he has had his tooth pulled? Please let us know how he's doing when you have time... love and hugs to you both, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 6:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal Hi, I am thinking of taking him to my vet to have them pull his tooth tomorrow morning -- again, he is an older boy, and has a kidney problem (or had), and heart murmur.. the vet thinks he has FIP due to high level of globulin (very high..) – which by the way I don’t think he has.. Anyway,, I am afraid that he is losing weight because of the pain in his tooth, and am thinking of taking a chance to anesthesia him so that they can pull his tooth. You guys, I need all your prayers for my baby, Hannibal so that the surgery will go well, and he will recover well… he is one of my very feral boy,, though he is not a lap cat, I so love him and care for him dearly and I need your help sending him a good energy Thank you in advance. Love Hideyo and Hannibal =00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal
Title: Message I thought of a second to ask for it back.. then, I started concentrated on his recovery, then I forgot.. I do keep whiskers of my cats.. I just don’t know which cats it belongs to, since I have so many,, and I keep finding on the floor…. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Presto Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 1:02 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal May I add a little humor? Sometimes in traumatized times, a little humor helps. You might want to have Hannibal's tooth saved. I have a tooth collection. Whenever a dental is done on one of our cats--and many, many have been done--I have the extracted teeth saved. The doctor and I examine them together, and then I place them in a container with the cat's name on it, and stash it in my tooth collection. I've joked about having them put on a necklace, African-style. But I'm not serious. I also have a whisker collection, in containers in the same drawer with the teeth. Whenever I find a shed whisker on the floor, I pick it up, admire it, and put it in my whisker collection. I thought maybe I could have a potter design little ceramic cats and insert the whiskers in the appropriate places, entitling them "Carpet Scraps" to make people aware that they hadn't been pulled from the cat. But I thought better of it. Presto - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 2:22 PM Subject: RE: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal Dear Hideyo I'm sending all good wishes and positive vibes for sweet Hannibal...perhaps by now he has had his tooth pulled? Please let us know how he's doing when you have time... love and hugs to you both, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 6:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal Hi, I am thinking of taking him to my vet to have them pull his tooth tomorrow morning -- again, he is an older boy, and has a kidney problem (or had), and heart murmur.. the vet thinks he has FIP due to high level of globulin (very high..) – which by the way I don’t think he has.. Anyway,, I am afraid that he is losing weight because of the pain in his tooth, and am thinking of taking a chance to anesthesia him so that they can pull his tooth. You guys, I need all your prayers for my baby, Hannibal so that the surgery will go well, and he will recover well… he is one of my very feral boy,, though he is not a lap cat, I so love him and care for him dearly and I need your help sending him a good energy Thank you in advance. Love Hideyo and Hannibal =00 IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Now Prayers for Buffy and Questions
So far it seems to be good news for Buffy She was never an active cat like Callie ... It can't say for sure if the meds worked that quickly or if it was the loss of Callie that caused her to be shy and not eat... One of my other cats seemed to get back to their old self in just a few hours just like Buffy did when I started then on interferon and it didn't do a thing for Annie that I lost a month ago... Annie was very anemic though...I wish I understood more about this disease...but I guess we all do And just to keep things going we brought home Owen...He is a middle aged long hair tuxedo... Very pretty boy but not happy about being inside and not very friendly...Hope we can change that... Tad Nina wrote: Tad, How is Buffy doing today? N Tad Burnett wrote: It never rains but it poursToday Buffy is not acting herself... She also came from AW and from early records she was pulled at the same day and very similar condition...Vet recommended PTSI even wonder if they are litter mates... Any way...A trip to the vet revealed fluid in the chestShe now has pills and will be on interferon...
Re: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal
Healing vibes coming your way. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, and 6 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec & Salome' =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 10:55 AM Subject: Re: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal Sending positive energy for Hannibal. Good luck Hannibal! Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlAdopt a cat from UCAT rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/Adopt a FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to!~Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has your cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD? Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug makes it curable. Ask me today how you can test for Trich!No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/195 - Release Date: 12/8/2005
Re: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal
Nina, you just gave me a really big, guffawing laugh that made me cough. (Everett knows that when I laugh like that, I am truly, deeply amused.) Geez, you're great. And with $50 or more, you get a ceramic kitty with authentic fallen whiskers. I love it. Would I could. We don't get donations. We donate to others. But maybe there's a use for those whiskers, somewhere out there. I must have at least two-hundred by now. I used to have more, but when we came back from the Congo, half our shipment was stolen by the Congolese shipping company, and they ended up with the bags of shed whiskers in the boxes that they willy-nilly grabbed. There's gotta be something else we can do with these things Presto - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 3:07 PM Subject: Re: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal Imagine if you'd been paying out tooth-fairy style for all those teeth! (Actually I guess you have, the vet bills must be enormous at your house!). I like the idea of using the whiskers on ceramic kitties :) . Maybe you could give them as a thank you gift for donations to the cause... and with your generous donation of $50 dollars or more, you get a ceramic kitty with authentic fallen whiskers!NPresto wrote: May I add a little humor? Sometimes in traumatized times, a little humor helps. You might want to have Hannibal's tooth saved. I have a tooth collection. Whenever a dental is done on one of our cats--and many, many have been done--I have the extracted teeth saved. The doctor and I examine them together, and then I place them in a container with the cat's name on it, and stash it in my tooth collection. I've joked about having them put on a necklace, African-style. But I'm not serious. I also have a whisker collection, in containers in the same drawer with the teeth. Whenever I find a shed whisker on the floor, I pick it up, admire it, and put it in my whisker collection. I thought maybe I could have a potter design little ceramic cats and insert the whiskers in the appropriate places, entitling them "Carpet Scraps" to make people aware that they hadn't been pulled from the cat. But I thought better of it. Presto
Re: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal
Imagine if you'd been paying out tooth-fairy style for all those teeth! (Actually I guess you have, the vet bills must be enormous at your house!). I like the idea of using the whiskers on ceramic kitties :) . Maybe you could give them as a thank you gift for donations to the cause... and with your generous donation of $50 dollars or more, you get a ceramic kitty with authentic fallen whiskers! N Presto wrote: Message May I add a little humor? Sometimes in traumatized times, a little humor helps. You might want to have Hannibal's tooth saved. I have a tooth collection. Whenever a dental is done on one of our cats--and many, many have been done--I have the extracted teeth saved. The doctor and I examine them together, and then I place them in a container with the cat's name on it, and stash it in my tooth collection. I've joked about having them put on a necklace, African-style. But I'm not serious. I also have a whisker collection, in containers in the same drawer with the teeth. Whenever I find a shed whisker on the floor, I pick it up, admire it, and put it in my whisker collection. I thought maybe I could have a potter design little ceramic cats and insert the whiskers in the appropriate places, entitling them "Carpet Scraps" to make people aware that they hadn't been pulled from the cat. But I thought better of it. Presto
Re: Now Prayers for Buffy and Questions
Tad, How is Buffy doing today? N Tad Burnett wrote: It never rains but it poursToday Buffy is not acting herself... She also came from AW and from early records she was pulled at the same day and very similar condition...Vet recommended PTSI even wonder if they are litter mates... Any way...A trip to the vet revealed fluid in the chestShe now has pills and will be on interferon...
Re: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal
Title: Message May I add a little humor? Sometimes in traumatized times, a little humor helps. You might want to have Hannibal's tooth saved. I have a tooth collection. Whenever a dental is done on one of our cats--and many, many have been done--I have the extracted teeth saved. The doctor and I examine them together, and then I place them in a container with the cat's name on it, and stash it in my tooth collection. I've joked about having them put on a necklace, African-style. But I'm not serious. I also have a whisker collection, in containers in the same drawer with the teeth. Whenever I find a shed whisker on the floor, I pick it up, admire it, and put it in my whisker collection. I thought maybe I could have a potter design little ceramic cats and insert the whiskers in the appropriate places, entitling them "Carpet Scraps" to make people aware that they hadn't been pulled from the cat. But I thought better of it. Presto - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 2:22 PM Subject: RE: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal Dear Hideyo I'm sending all good wishes and positive vibes for sweet Hannibal...perhaps by now he has had his tooth pulled? Please let us know how he's doing when you have time... love and hugs to you both, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 6:47 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: OT: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal Hi, I am thinking of taking him to my vet to have them pull his tooth tomorrow morning -- again, he is an older boy, and has a kidney problem (or had), and heart murmur.. the vet thinks he has FIP due to high level of globulin (very high..) which by the way I dont think he has.. Anyway,, I am afraid that he is losing weight because of the pain in his tooth, and am thinking of taking a chance to anesthesia him so that they can pull his tooth. You guys, I need all your prayers for my baby, Hannibal so that the surgery will go well, and he will recover well he is one of my very feral boy,, though he is not a lap cat, I so love him and care for him dearly and I need your help sending him a good energy Thank you in advance. Love Hideyo and Hannibal=00 IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal
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RE: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal
Title: Message Dear Hideyo I'm sending all good wishes and positive vibes for sweet Hannibal...perhaps by now he has had his tooth pulled? Please let us know how he's doing when you have time... love and hugs to you both, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 6:47 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: OT: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal Hi, I am thinking of taking him to my vet to have them pull his tooth tomorrow morning -- again, he is an older boy, and has a kidney problem (or had), and heart murmur.. the vet thinks he has FIP due to high level of globulin (very high..) – which by the way I don’t think he has.. Anyway,, I am afraid that he is losing weight because of the pain in his tooth, and am thinking of taking a chance to anesthesia him so that they can pull his tooth. You guys, I need all your prayers for my baby, Hannibal so that the surgery will go well, and he will recover well… he is one of my very feral boy,, though he is not a lap cat, I so love him and care for him dearly and I need your help sending him a good energy Thank you in advance. Love Hideyo and Hannibal =00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Advice please
New kittens born to the colony will be exposed by the other cats. If they took one FELV+ out before because of illness, and now they have this one that has tested positive too, it's likely that several of the others also have FELV. Unless they have the means to trap every cat in the colony and do testing and then euthanasia (or placement into sanctuaries) for all the ones that test positive, then there's no way releasing this one cat will make any difference. It's a FELV+ colony. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! ~ Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has your cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD? Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug makes it curable. Ask me today how you can test for Trich! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/195 - Release Date: 12/8/2005
OT:CROSS POST..Newnan, GA.-Newnan-Coweta Humane Soc - BLIND KITTEN...
CROSS POSTING! Please help me spread the word about this baby!! This absolutely breaks my heart!!! Shelter Rescue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:11:09 -0500From: Shelter Rescue [EMAIL PROTECTED] Julie, Didn't know if you had another picked out to replace the orange kitty for the front page, but this kitten is in "the back" - and that means the next to be put down. She wasn't going to be put up for rescue/adoption, but the supervisor agreed to give her a few days. Although the flash of the camera makes her look as though she has no eyes in the picture, she just has the foggy eyes and you can tell that she is blind. Read the description below. IC-4KITTENDomestic Short Hair,Tabby - Grey Mix Size: SmallAge: BabySex: FemaleID: 05120510 Coweta AC Notes: PLEASE CONTACT COWETA COUNTY ANIMAL CONTROL TO ADOPT THIS PET: 770-254-3735. This precious baby will break your heart!!! She is blind...she looks to have cataracts over both her eyes (you can see when we took her picture how the camera reflected the cataracts). She was brought into animal control because she "bit" someone (she was probably very scared because she can't see). When I took her out to take her picture...she snuggled up as close as she could get to my neck and began to purr non-stop even while trembling. It broke our heart to put her back into her cage (she felt her way right back to her spot behind her litter box). PLEASE..please do not let her life end at animal control. She desperately needs to be part of a loving family where she will be safe. Please hurry! This sweetie will be avail. for adoption, rescue OR EUTHANIZATION 12/15!! NOTE: CCAC CANNOT ADOPT ONLINE OR OVER THE PHONE. ADOPTIONS MUST BE DONE IN PERSON. This pet is eligible for a gift of the first month of ShelterCare pet insurance paid for by Petfinder.com.For more information on pet insurance please visit us online at http://www.sheltercare.com or call 1-866-375-PETS. E-mail this pet to a friend! Newnan-Coweta Humane SocietyNewnan, GAmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Pet Inquiry: IC-4 (Id 05120510 Coweta AC) Terrie MohrTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverCheck sites for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttps://www.paypal.com/http://www.frappr.com/wasiameserescue
Re: Hideyo's court case 19th??
Michelle, this is fabulous. Very good information to know. I've printed it and tucked it in a cat file, in case anyone I know (or Ev and I) get into a similar predicament in the future. I won't quote your name, so as not to get you into trouble. Can you still practice law in MA, although you are in NJ? Due to my father's recent death and an inheritance, I need to make a will, and I want to include the care of our cats in that will, especially in case Ev and I are both killed in an accident or he predeceases me. Is this something you can do? Or do you have friends/acquaintances, still in MA, who can do it? Presto - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 10:29 AM Subject: Re: Hideyo's court case 19th?? Hideyo, Glad to hear you are not pleading guilty. If they gave you the permits in prior years, I think you need to talk to your boyfriend about making the following two arguments as well, in addition to challenging the rational basis for the ordinance itself: 1) equitable estoppel-- this is a legal principle that basically means that once a party says something and causes a person to rely on the statement, they then can't turn around and try to say the opposite in court. If the town gave you the permit last year, they essentially said it was ok for you to have that number of animals, and they caused you to rely on that fact. They can not then turn around and say the opposite the next year, after you have relied on it and spent so much money (this is what is often important to them!) remaking the facility to accommodate them. If you spent any money on stuff for the cats or the house related to the cats since they gave you that permit, I would dig up receipts or any proof of that, or take pictures of it. You should then argue, I think, that you relied in terms of that much money, not to mention emotional investment, on their saying it was ok for you to have that many cats, and the principle of equitable estoppel prohibits them from turning around now and saying the opposite. You should talk to your boyfriend about this and ask him to do some research on this principle in similar issues, like zoning permits and stuff. He will know what it is-- it is a very basic common law principle. 2) You should argue, I think, that the action of denying the permit for the same number of animals they approved last year, without any relevant change of circumstances, is "arbitrary and capricious." I do not know much about municipal law, but when a state agency takes actions that are arbitrary and capricious they can usually be struck down as such, under the state administrative procedures act or common law. I would bet there is some principle like this related to town government as well. Your boyfriend might want to do some research on the actions of town governments being arbitrary and capricious. Basically, you would be arguing that in addition to the ordinance itself lacking rational basis and thereby being unconstitutional (I believe under substantive due process clause of federal and state constitutions), the actions of the government actors themselves were unconstitutional by being arbitrary and capricious. I hope this makes sense. I could actually get in a lot of trouble giving legal advice for a state I am not admitted to practice in, and I really am no expert on NM law. So take all of this as suggestions for further research and thinking on your boyfriend's part rather than legal advice per se. But this is what comes to mind for me. I think you should have your boyfriend call ALDF to talk the three arguments through with them too (unconstitutionality of ordinance, unconstitutionality of government actions for being arbitrary and capricious, and equitable estoppel based on 2004 permits) to figure out if they make sense and how best to frame them. Hope this helps. Michelle In a message dated 12/9/2005 6:22:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh.. did I say I was going to plead guilty? If so, I am sorry, I meant, “not guilty The irony is that the city gave me a permit in April 2004 for the same number of the animals I requested – the officer who was in charge of giving the permit apparently ignored the very stupid part of the ordinance (see below) and gave me and lots of other rescue people permit and now he is gone, they are enforcing the very stupid part of the ordinance shown below The very stupid part of the ordinance is as follows: (L) The number of adult dogs or cats, or any combination thereof, which a hobby breeder or hobby facility permit or multiple animal permit holder may keep is limited by th
Re: Hideyo's court case 19th??
I didn't know about the problems with the welfare agency. The problems with the Romney admin don't surprise me. Why did those dopes elect him in?! (Yes, we voted--but not for him.) And, yes, MA certainly does have its problems. But, as you pointed out, it contrasts well with other states. I've lived in NC, NY, OH, CO, AZ, WA, CA, and HI, and my husband grew up in AK and still has parents there. No place is perfect. Did you have any trouble transfering your law permit to NJ? You had to take a test, yes? Where did you earn your BA and law degrees? Many people come here to attend the multiple colleges and universities, and then stay on, as you know. I started at Tufts Univ. but migrated westward pretty quickly. Presto - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 7:38 PM Subject: Re: Hideyo's court case 19th?? I was in MA for 10 years, but moved back to NJ this summer. MA is pretty amazing in many ways, legally. Though pretty horrible in other ways (the Romney administration is pretty awful, and believe it or not MA has the worst (of all states and DC) participation rate in the Food Stamp program for people who are eligible, because the welfare agency is so horrible and denies and terminates everyone.) So it is not all peachy, but when I went to NM for a summer I realized I was a little spoiled as far as the courts go! And the MA Town Meeting system of government is about the most democratic form of local government I have ever seen, and I miss it. Michelle In a message dated 12/8/2005 7:35:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle, are you in MA? So am I. A very educated, liberal state, comparatively speaking. We have it lucky compared to some who live in less tolerant states. Presto
Re: OT: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal
I agree with Tad, that very light, short-term sedation can be used, and that the alternative risk of leaving the tooth in is best avoided. How old is Hannibal, approximately? Presto - Original Message - From: Tad Burnett To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 8:38 AM Subject: Re: OT: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal Yes...I went through the same thing with my vet...Didn't want tosedate because of his age...But his father had the same thingyears earlier and ended up with cancer in the jaw and had tobe PTSI didn't want to go through that again and said I wouldrisk it to get the bad tooth out As it turned out he used a very light sedation..only knocked him out for a couple minutes...It only takes a second to pull a tooth ifyou are all set up to do it In 3 days he was eating like a pig and now 2 years later he is welland happy and no more antibiotics needed I don't know why vets are so afraid to take the risk and go for it...Maybe they just want you to understand that there is a valid riskbut in many cases in the long run the risk of doing nothing may beworse TadHideyo Yamamoto wrote: Hi, I am thinking of taking him to my vet to have them pull his tooth tomorrow morning -- again, he is an older boy, and has a kidney problem (or had), and heart murmur.. the vet thinks he has FIP due to high level of globulin (very high..) which by the way I dont think he has.. Anyway,, I am afraid that he is losing weight because of the pain in his tooth, and am thinking of taking a chance to anesthesia him so that they can pull his tooth. You guys, I need all your prayers for my baby, Hannibal so that the surgery will go well, and he will recover well he is one of my very feral boy,, though he is not a lap cat, I so love him and care for him dearly and I need your help sending him a good energy Thank you in advance. Love Hideyo and Hannibal
Re: Hideyo's court case 19th??
ok. The intent definitely helps, for two reasons: one, you are not violating the intent and are in fact furthering it, and two, it helps to show that their formula for deciding the number of animals has no rational basis and does not have any relation to the intent of the statute. But you are not arguing that the "enforcement" is problematic (well, you are actually, in that they gave a permit one year and then not the next)-- you are actually arguing that the provision in the ordinance with the calculation formula is problematic, unconstitutional really. The provision with the formula is not the enforcement, it is another part of the law itself. Enforcement is what the town does with the law, i.e. the animal office giving you a permit one year and denying it the next. I definitely think that you should raise with the city attorney beforehand that the law is being changed anyway, so it does not make sense for them to fight about its constitutionality and rational basis right now when it will be different soon anyway. I personally think that you should try to meet with the city attorney before the hearing and 1) provide him with letters from the people who are writing them and are going to testify, and 2) provide him with copies of all the relevant cases you get from ALDF, and 3) make the argument about equitable estoppel, arbitrary and capricious behavior, and 4) talk about the city changing the law anyway (if you can get someone from the mayor's office to call the city attorney about this beforehand that would be great). There is a danger to laying it all out beforehand, which is that if the attorney does want to fight you on this he will have more time to think, research, and respond to all the arguments you are making. But if he is at all reasonable I think that seeing the evidence, hearing the arguments, and realizing how much work it will end up taking him to prosecute this and then the law might change soon anyway will make him just want to drop it. Again, take this as a suggestion for further thinking and research, not legal advice per se. Michelle In a message dated 12/9/2005 6:22:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And I am going to argue that I am not violating any of the intents of the law – I am questioning their way of “enforcing” the law based on how they currently calculate the number of animals one can have. I am also working on the city counselor who is re-writing the ordinance – the new ordinance will not include the portion of the stupid law I mentioned in earlier message – the bill has not bee presented or passed yet.. but right now, I am stuck with the current ordinance.
Re: Hideyo's court case 19th??
Hideyo, Glad to hear you are not pleading guilty. If they gave you the permits in prior years, I think you need to talk to your boyfriend about making the following two arguments as well, in addition to challenging the rational basis for the ordinance itself: 1) equitable estoppel-- this is a legal principle that basically means that once a party says something and causes a person to rely on the statement, they then can't turn around and try to say the opposite in court. If the town gave you the permit last year, they essentially said it was ok for you to have that number of animals, and they caused you to rely on that fact. They can not then turn around and say the opposite the next year, after you have relied on it and spent so much money (this is what is often important to them!) remaking the facility to accommodate them. If you spent any money on stuff for the cats or the house related to the cats since they gave you that permit, I would dig up receipts or any proof of that, or take pictures of it. You should then argue, I think, that you relied in terms of that much money, not to mention emotional investment, on their saying it was ok for you to have that many cats, and the principle of equitable estoppel prohibits them from turning around now and saying the opposite. You should talk to your boyfriend about this and ask him to do some research on this principle in similar issues, like zoning permits and stuff. He will know what it is-- it is a very basic common law principle. 2) You should argue, I think, that the action of denying the permit for the same number of animals they approved last year, without any relevant change of circumstances, is "arbitrary and capricious." I do not know much about municipal law, but when a state agency takes actions that are arbitrary and capricious they can usually be struck down as such, under the state administrative procedures act or common law. I would bet there is some principle like this related to town government as well. Your boyfriend might want to do some research on the actions of town governments being arbitrary and capricious. Basically, you would be arguing that in addition to the ordinance itself lacking rational basis and thereby being unconstitutional (I believe under substantive due process clause of federal and state constitutions), the actions of the government actors themselves were unconstitutional by being arbitrary and capricious. I hope this makes sense. I could actually get in a lot of trouble giving legal advice for a state I am not admitted to practice in, and I really am no expert on NM law. So take all of this as suggestions for further research and thinking on your boyfriend's part rather than legal advice per se. But this is what comes to mind for me. I think you should have your boyfriend call ALDF to talk the three arguments through with them too (unconstitutionality of ordinance, unconstitutionality of government actions for being arbitrary and capricious, and equitable estoppel based on 2004 permits) to figure out if they make sense and how best to frame them. Hope this helps. Michelle In a message dated 12/9/2005 6:22:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh.. did I say I was going to plead guilty? If so, I am sorry, I meant, “not guilty The irony is that the city gave me a permit in April 2004 for the same number of the animals I requested – the officer who was in charge of giving the permit apparently ignored the very stupid part of the ordinance (see below) and gave me and lots of other rescue people permit and now he is gone, they are enforcing the very stupid part of the ordinance shown below The very stupid part of the ordinance is as follows: (L) The number of adult dogs or cats, or any combination thereof, which a hobby breeder or hobby facility permit or multiple animal permit holder may keep is limited by the following factors: (1) In a residential zone, the area of the permitted hobby breeder or hobby facility site or multiple animal site shall be limited to 10% of the total area of the premises. (2) Within the kennel area of a hobby breeder or hobby facility site or multiple animal site, 75 square feet of area shall be provided for each animal weighing under 30 pounds, 100 square feet for each animal weighing between 30 and 49 pounds and 125 square feet for each animal weighing 50 pounds or more. So basically, I have 4,000 sq ft in my property, based on the calculation, I can only have up to 5 animals.. but I don’t put my cats in cages, having to only allow 10% as a living space for animals just does not make sense. Only it assumes that 30Lb dog has a very same space need as let’s say 8 lb cat according to this law, which does not make sense.. based on the weight I could have up to 150Lb worth
Re: OT:help with my dilemma
Jenn, I love writing too. I'd love to read any stories you've written, if you have time to send them. I only write nonfiction stories, having no talent in fiction. Presto - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 6:44 PM Subject: Re: OT:help with my dilemma Thanks Presto. Moogie's cremains sit on a shelf in the kitchen surrounded by pictures of her. It's strange, I can be in the room with her remains and her "real" memorial and not cry, but when I go to the webpage memorial, I lose it every time. I do think I captured something on that page that really represents the essence of her life, and what she meant to me. I'm glad you thought so too. I love writing, about all things. I appreciate the compliment on my writing as well. Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlAdopt a cat from UCAT rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/Adopt a FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to!~Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has your cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD? Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug makes it curable. Ask me today how you can test for Trich! No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/194 - Release Date: 12/7/2005
Re: Advice please
what about new kittens born into the colony, or outsiders coming in? if it's a controlled colony, i agree--it's the newly abandoned house cats, new babies, etc that i worry about. (well, i WORRY about them all) you're right tho, if everyone's been altered, and it's a colony vs just putting them back outdoors on their own, with no "support" system to keep them nearby, that'd concern me far more. On 12/9/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Release to the colony is acceptable to me in this case. And here's why MC. -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Hideyo's court case 19th??
I was in MA for 10 years, but moved back to NJ this summer. MA is pretty amazing in many ways, legally. Though pretty horrible in other ways (the Romney administration is pretty awful, and believe it or not MA has the worst (of all states and DC) participation rate in the Food Stamp program for people who are eligible, because the welfare agency is so horrible and denies and terminates everyone.) So it is not all peachy, but when I went to NM for a summer I realized I was a little spoiled as far as the courts go! And the MA Town Meeting system of government is about the most democratic form of local government I have ever seen, and I miss it. Michelle In a message dated 12/8/2005 7:35:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle, are you in MA? So am I. A very educated, liberal state, comparatively speaking. We have it lucky compared to some who live in less tolerant states. Presto
Re: OT: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal
Yes...I went through the same thing with my vet...Didn't want to sedate because of his age...But his father had the same thing years earlier and ended up with cancer in the jaw and had to be PTSI didn't want to go through that again and said I would risk it to get the bad tooth out As it turned out he used a very light sedation..only knocked him out for a couple minutes...It only takes a second to pull a tooth if you are all set up to do it In 3 days he was eating like a pig and now 2 years later he is well and happy and no more antibiotics needed I don't know why vets are so afraid to take the risk and go for it... Maybe they just want you to understand that there is a valid risk but in many cases in the long run the risk of doing nothing may be worse Tad Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: Hi, I am thinking of taking him to my vet to have them pull his tooth tomorrow morning -- again, he is an older boy, and has a kidney problem (or had), and heart murmur.. the vet thinks he has FIP due to high level of globulin (very high..) – which by the way I don’t think he has.. Anyway,, I am afraid that he is losing weight because of the pain in his tooth, and am thinking of taking a chance to anesthesia him so that they can pull his tooth. You guys, I need all your prayers for my baby, Hannibal so that the surgery will go well, and he will recover well… he is one of my very feral boy,, though he is not a lap cat, I so love him and care for him dearly and I need your help sending him a good energy Thank you in advance. Love Hideyo and Hannibal
RE: Hideyo's court case 19th??
Oh,, Michelle, again, thank you so much for your offer - I am so grateful for everyone being so generous and concerned… I am going to do everything I can so that I can win on 12/19 if not, I guess I will worry then, right? I once found a fortune cookie.. saying that “never trouble troubles, until a trouble troubles you…”.. so I will always think of back up plan.. I can’t help not thinking.. but I am hoping that I won’t have to use it.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 5:32 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Hideyo's court case 19th?? I think it is good to always have a back-up plan. But the court has to allow time to file an appeal. The court does not have to agree, however, to stay a bad decision while an appeal is pending, i.e. to leave the cats alone while the appeal pends. However, a refusal to stay the decision can also be appealed on an emergency basis. And in this case, where there is no one complaining and the neighbors have signed a petition in support, there would be no justification for a court to deny a stay during an appeal. Not that courts never do unjustified things, mind you. But legally, she should be able to fight this all the way while keeping her cats with her. But she may need legal help to fight effectively, which is why I mentioned ALDF. One way to help might be to help financially with legal fees if Hideyo can find someone experienced but they do not agree to take the case pro bono. I would be willing to send some money. I would of course be willing to send some money for transport too, but I do not think it should have to come to that, with zealous advocacy. And to tell the truth, so many of her cats are feral and special needs that unless we ourselves took all of them, I can not imagine her finding places for them. Maybe people on this list could take all of them, in an emergency, and maybe we should figure that out now. But I can not take any at all, due to my own living situation and my partner. And transport across country would be pretty bad for cats as compromised as some of her cats are. Michelle In a message dated 12/8/2005 7:25:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think it would be a good idea to set up a contingency plan, in case the court decision goes against Hideyo. She may not be given the time to file an appeal. She may not have the money to file an appeal. The cats may be taken away from her within a matter of days after a negative decision. Perhaps we can help her place her cats, if the need arises. How many does she have? What are their medical problems, shyness quotients, and ages? Is she willing to get them to an airport and air-freight them to us? Will we help her with the airfare? I've air-freighted cats in the past, and have no hesitation about doing so, nor any hesitation in paying the fee. Others may not feel the same. Do you have room in your homes to take in one or more of her cats? Is she liable to take in more cats after a negative decision and clearance of her household? In short, might she end up back in the same position? Is she in an apartment, or a house, and if she's in a house, does she own the house? What is the legal limitation on the number of cats she is allowed to possess within the zoning for where she lives? Are her cats allowed to roam outside, or not? What were the circumstances of the inspection (I assume there was one) that led to this situation? Was the primary concern about cleanliness (time to hire a cleaner) or about sheer numbers? Zoning ordinances can be very difficult to beat. When Everett and I bought our house three years ago, we made sure in advance that the town had no limitation on the number of cats allowed per household. It's zoned for farming. Can Hideyo afford to move? We may need to kick in and offer homes to some of her cats. She will be a far more effective speaker at her trial if she has a back-up plan and isn't scared to death by the possibility that her cats may be taken away from her and killed. She shouldn't mention the back-up plan, of course. I'll chip in on air-freight fare if anyone else is willing to take in one or more of her cats. Let's put our money where our mouths are. I really would prefer not to take in any more cats myself, because we have thirty-six at present (in a very well-managed, clean house--no problems). There's only so much I can do, physically. But I can give financial assistance in transporting the cats, provided that Hideyo doesn't get herself into this situation again. And saying "No" to a needy cat is extremely hard; I know that full well. Suggestions? Presto
RE: Hideyo's court case 19th??
Michelle – again thank you for your offer – but no worry for now---I just talked to ALDF person and she is faxing me the past pleading cases regarding limiting the number of animal cases.. she did not think there are anyone in NM in terms of an animal activity lawyer.. but my boyfriend might be able to help me to better present my case. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 6:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Hideyo's court case 19th?? I think that many are feral and semi-feral and at least one is FeLV+ and several are elderly. When I said I would assist with legal fees, I mean about $100. We are actually doing pretty badly financially since moving, due to me only having part-time work right now and a bunch of vet bills and house repairs and having spent our savings on the move. I would hope that an ALDF-associated attorney would do this kind of case pro bono, though. Hideyo would have to take the lead in creating a back-up emergency plan for placing the cats with list members. It is true that none of us but her know what is going on with her cats or her case. Michelle In a message dated 12/8/2005 7:46:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I understand and agree. I do, though, also agree that we should figure out an alternate-placement plan now. I don't know the conditions of her cats, so cannot comment on how bad the conditions of some of them are, and their transportability. Perhaps those in the worst conditions could stay with her. We still don't know how many cats she would be allowed to keep under the ordinance pertaining to her township.
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Hi, Michelle, I got the voice mail and left a message, I hope someone will call me back – thank you!! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 4:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Hideyo's court case 19th?? Call the ALDF office and talk to a live person. Tell whoever answers that I told you to call (use my name, Michelle Lerner) and mention that I started the student ALDF chapter at Harvard Law School. Tell them that I am in MA and can not help you and that I told you to call and see if a) there is anyone in their network near where you live, and b) if they have information on cases in NM or any other state in which pet limits were found unconstitutional. Tell them that someone posted on their website that there have been some decisions ruling them unconstitutional, and that you need the citations or, even better if you do not have a lawyer to find the cases (though your boyfriend probably can find them for you with citations), copies of the decisions. Michelle In a message dated 12/8/2005 6:15:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I will find the link and will forward it to you.. Hey, Michelle, I had posted a message at ALDF about my case, and someone replied to my post as follows (just an extract)– do you know how I can get more information how unconstitutional this is? Here’s the message.. Please note that pet limits have been found unconstitutional when challenged in at least some jurisdictions (of course, it is time-consuming and costly to challenge such laws). In addition, many experts in companion animal issues feel that pet limits result in artificially depressed adoption rates and so, cause communities to kill more animals.
OT: HELP: PLS PRAY for my Hannibal
Hi, I am thinking of taking him to my vet to have them pull his tooth tomorrow morning -- again, he is an older boy, and has a kidney problem (or had), and heart murmur.. the vet thinks he has FIP due to high level of globulin (very high..) – which by the way I don’t think he has.. Anyway,, I am afraid that he is losing weight because of the pain in his tooth, and am thinking of taking a chance to anesthesia him so that they can pull his tooth. You guys, I need all your prayers for my baby, Hannibal so that the surgery will go well, and he will recover well… he is one of my very feral boy,, though he is not a lap cat, I so love him and care for him dearly and I need your help sending him a good energy Thank you in advance. Love Hideyo and Hannibal
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Oh.. Presto – you are so sweet – and I appreciate your offer – but it will be impossible to find homes for all my cats – I have so many.. I hate to mention the number, but I do. I don’t know anyone else who has as many as I do – and most of them are feral cats and they will not do well if they are moved ---medical conditions are different from cats to cats.. but no one else will be able to even touch them as they are so skittish I posted the very ordinance which stops me having the cats I have – I guess, I would sell my house and move to other area if it comes to that.. fortunately the value of my property has gone up so much lately that I can sell at least for twice as much as I had originally paid for.. but I also take care of about stray kitties in 5 different colonies in my area.. so I really hate to move.. I also spent $45000 to on my house to accommodate my cats area.. so I hate to leave the house, too. But they are not going to take my cats away, meaning I won’t let them.. I won’t know how.. but I am not going to let that happen.. I promised these guys that I will give them a better life and I will take care of them for the rest of their lives.. and I just have to figure out… Maybe, my baby Garfunkle who passed away will be guiding me as an my guardian angel and watching me and his friends from heaven and somehow a miracle will happen again….. Love Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Presto Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 5:25 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Hideyo's court case 19th?? I think it would be a good idea to set up a contingency plan, in case the court decision goes against Hideyo. She may not be given the time to file an appeal. She may not have the money to file an appeal. The cats may be taken away from her within a matter of days after a negative decision. Perhaps we can help her place her cats, if the need arises. How many does she have? What are their medical problems, shyness quotients, and ages? Is she willing to get them to an airport and air-freight them to us? Will we help her with the airfare? I've air-freighted cats in the past, and have no hesitation about doing so, nor any hesitation in paying the fee. Others may not feel the same. Do you have room in your homes to take in one or more of her cats? Is she liable to take in more cats after a negative decision and clearance of her household? In short, might she end up back in the same position? Is she in an apartment, or a house, and if she's in a house, does she own the house? What is the legal limitation on the number of cats she is allowed to possess within the zoning for where she lives? Are her cats allowed to roam outside, or not? What were the circumstances of the inspection (I assume there was one) that led to this situation? Was the primary concern about cleanliness (time to hire a cleaner) or about sheer numbers? Zoning ordinances can be very difficult to beat. When Everett and I bought our house three years ago, we made sure in advance that the town had no limitation on the number of cats allowed per household. It's zoned for farming. Can Hideyo afford to move? We may need to kick in and offer homes to some of her cats. She will be a far more effective speaker at her trial if she has a back-up plan and isn't scared to death by the possibility that her cats may be taken away from her and killed. She shouldn't mention the back-up plan, of course. I'll chip in on air-freight fare if anyone else is willing to take in one or more of her cats. Let's put our money where our mouths are. I really would prefer not to take in any more cats myself, because we have thirty-six at present (in a very well-managed, clean house--no problems). There's only so much I can do, physically. But I can give financial assistance in transporting the cats, provided that Hideyo doesn't get herself into this situation again. And saying "No" to a needy cat is extremely hard; I know that full well. Suggestions? Presto - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 5:55 PM Subject: Re: Hideyo's court case 19th?? The problem is that the city probably does not really care whether these cats live or die, and certain city actors are probably of the opinion that cats with long-term illnesses, like FeLV should not be allowed to live anyway and only nuisance-causing crazy cat ladies keep them alive. Shocking and awful as that is, that may be what Hideyo is battling. I think it is very helpful that the head of an animal agency is apparently going to bat for Hideyo and stating this very thing in a letter, but it probably is not the clincher in reality. The clincher, in reality, is probably t
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Let me tell you how uneducated NM is when coming to care of animals – you will just be amazed….You don’t know how many kitties I ended up taking because of irresponsible and stupid people who leave their animals behind when they move out.. and they did not even neuter or spay them….some leave them in a confined apartment with no food or water.. hoping (?) someone will find them before they die from starvation.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Presto Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 5:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Hideyo's court case 19th?? Michelle, are you in MA? So am I. A very educated, liberal state, comparatively speaking. We have it lucky compared to some who live in less tolerant states. Presto - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 7:03 PM Subject: Re: Hideyo's court case 19th?? Hideyo, Thank you. I read it. The link is not to the decision itself, but to a summary of the decision. And it was not a federal court, but a state court that struck down the ordinance. Does your town have a limit on the number of animals? Or was this just a case-by-case decision denying you the permits you need? If you are being charged criminally for not having the requisite permits and they would not give them to you based on numbers alone, I am not sure I would plead guilty. I think I might argue that there was no basis for denying you the permits and therefore no basis to charge you criminally, or that the denial was unconstitutional. But I really do think you will need legal help in order to make these arguments and should try to get a lawyer. In the civil case, I definitely think you should raise this argument. But you should get the other cases the ALDF member mentioned, because the more courts that have made similar determinations, the more persuasive the argument will be. Again, though, I really do not have enough information about the laws and government actions in your case to figure out exactly how to argue the case. You need someone who can get involved on a local level, if possible. When I worked in NM briefly, I found the legal system pretty appalling. I worked on the state court level, probably above the level of the court you are going to, and even on that level I was amazed. Common law (legal principles developed by courts) were not very developed compared to MA, and some of the courts did not seem familiar with U.S. Supreme Court cases that I learned about in first year of law school. The state court in one county was refusing to waive filing fees for divorce cases when people were too poor to pay the fees, and the U.S. Supreme Court had stated this was unconstitutional way back in the 70's! All of which is to say that you may have to educate the court a bit. Michelle In a message dated 12/8/2005 6:15:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.naiaonline.org/body/articles/archives/limitlawpennsylvania.htm here you go.. please read and if it will help my case, michelle.
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Oh.. did I say I was going to plead guilty? If so, I am sorry, I meant, “not guilty The irony is that the city gave me a permit in April 2004 for the same number of the animals I requested – the officer who was in charge of giving the permit apparently ignored the very stupid part of the ordinance (see below) and gave me and lots of other rescue people permit and now he is gone, they are enforcing the very stupid part of the ordinance shown below The very stupid part of the ordinance is as follows: (L) The number of adult dogs or cats, or any combination thereof, which a hobby breeder or hobby facility permit or multiple animal permit holder may keep is limited by the following factors: (1) In a residential zone, the area of the permitted hobby breeder or hobby facility site or multiple animal site shall be limited to 10% of the total area of the premises. (2) Within the kennel area of a hobby breeder or hobby facility site or multiple animal site, 75 square feet of area shall be provided for each animal weighing under 30 pounds, 100 square feet for each animal weighing between 30 and 49 pounds and 125 square feet for each animal weighing 50 pounds or more. So basically, I have 4,000 sq ft in my property, based on the calculation, I can only have up to 5 animals.. but I don’t put my cats in cages, having to only allow 10% as a living space for animals just does not make sense. Only it assumes that 30Lb dog has a very same space need as let’s say 8 lb cat according to this law, which does not make sense.. based on the weight I could have up to 150Lb worth of animals according to the above (30lb X 5 animals) – so if I have 8 lb cats, I should almost be able to have 20 cats which is equivalent of the same weights as having five of 30lb dogs.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 5:03 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Hideyo's court case 19th?? Hideyo, Thank you. I read it. The link is not to the decision itself, but to a summary of the decision. And it was not a federal court, but a state court that struck down the ordinance. Does your town have a limit on the number of animals? Or was this just a case-by-case decision denying you the permits you need? If you are being charged criminally for not having the requisite permits and they would not give them to you based on numbers alone, I am not sure I would plead guilty. I think I might argue that there was no basis for denying you the permits and therefore no basis to charge you criminally, or that the denial was unconstitutional. But I really do think you will need legal help in order to make these arguments and should try to get a lawyer. In the civil case, I definitely think you should raise this argument. But you should get the other cases the ALDF member mentioned, because the more courts that have made similar determinations, the more persuasive the argument will be. Again, though, I really do not have enough information about the laws and government actions in your case to figure out exactly how to argue the case. You need someone who can get involved on a local level, if possible. When I worked in NM briefly, I found the legal system pretty appalling. I worked on the state court level, probably above the level of the court you are going to, and even on that level I was amazed. Common law (legal principles developed by courts) were not very developed compared to MA, and some of the courts did not seem familiar with U.S. Supreme Court cases that I learned about in first year of law school. The state court in one county was refusing to waive filing fees for divorce cases when people were too poor to pay the fees, and the U.S. Supreme Court had stated this was unconstitutional way back in the 70's! All of which is to say that you may have to educate the court a bit. Michelle In a message dated 12/8/2005 6:15:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.naiaonline.org/body/articles/archives/limitlawpennsylvania.htm here you go.. please read and if it will help my case, michelle.
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Also, Michelle, here’s the intent statement of the ordinance: 9-2-1-1 SHORT TITLE AND LEGISLATIVE INTENT. (A) This article shall be known and may be cited as the "Albuquerque Animal Services Ordinance." (B) It is the intent of the City Council that enactment of this article will protect animals from neglect and abuse, will protect residents from annoyance and injury, will encourage responsible ownership of animals as pets, will assist in providing housing for animals in a control center and will partially finance the Animal Service Center's functions of housing, licensing, enforcement, and recovery. And I am going to argue that I am not violating any of the intents of the law – I am questioning their way of “enforcing” the law based on how they currently calculate the number of animals one can have. I am also working on the city counselor who is re-writing the ordinance – the new ordinance will not include the portion of the stupid law I mentioned in earlier message – the bill has not bee presented or passed yet.. but right now, I am stuck with the current ordinance. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 5:03 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Hideyo's court case 19th?? Hideyo, Thank you. I read it. The link is not to the decision itself, but to a summary of the decision. And it was not a federal court, but a state court that struck down the ordinance. Does your town have a limit on the number of animals? Or was this just a case-by-case decision denying you the permits you need? If you are being charged criminally for not having the requisite permits and they would not give them to you based on numbers alone, I am not sure I would plead guilty. I think I might argue that there was no basis for denying you the permits and therefore no basis to charge you criminally, or that the denial was unconstitutional. But I really do think you will need legal help in order to make these arguments and should try to get a lawyer. In the civil case, I definitely think you should raise this argument. But you should get the other cases the ALDF member mentioned, because the more courts that have made similar determinations, the more persuasive the argument will be. Again, though, I really do not have enough information about the laws and government actions in your case to figure out exactly how to argue the case. You need someone who can get involved on a local level, if possible. When I worked in NM briefly, I found the legal system pretty appalling. I worked on the state court level, probably above the level of the court you are going to, and even on that level I was amazed. Common law (legal principles developed by courts) were not very developed compared to MA, and some of the courts did not seem familiar with U.S. Supreme Court cases that I learned about in first year of law school. The state court in one county was refusing to waive filing fees for divorce cases when people were too poor to pay the fees, and the U.S. Supreme Court had stated this was unconstitutional way back in the 70's! All of which is to say that you may have to educate the court a bit. Michelle In a message dated 12/8/2005 6:15:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.naiaonline.org/body/articles/archives/limitlawpennsylvania.htm here you go.. please read and if it will help my case, michelle.
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>>>One way to help might be to help financially with legal fees if Hideyo can find someone experienced but they do not agree to take the case pro bono. I would be willing to send some money. <<< I will commit to pay for minimum two hours legal fees--more if poss/nec. depending on the hourly rate. It seems very important that Hideyo have a good attorney. (And my commitment to taking Hideyo's FeLV kitty Tsubami most def. still stands) >>>provided that Hideyo doesn't get herself into this situation again. <<< Unfortunately I don't know how, even with the best will in the world, Hideyo or anyone else who opens their heart and doors to needy cats could guarantee this--there are too many mean people wanting to make trouble for others, like the anonymous, cowardly complainer in Hideyo's case. I doubt very much Hideyo would be able financially to move to a safer (in terms of zoning) area. (The recent NJ shelter case also comes to mind--the one where 12 FeLV cats were fortunately saved by one angel in Indiana and a pilot with a heart of gold. That case arose, we were told, because of complaining neighbors who didn't like the presence of volunteers.) >>i can't figure out why it's the conscientious people, who try to make good on the problems created by others, who get penalized<<< Agreed, that's just one thing very wrong and unfair about the world we live in. Kerry - Original Message - From: "TenHouseCats" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 4:48 PM Subject: Re: Hideyo's court case 19th?? i would think it would help to bring out more forcefully what has been mentioned in passing: that hideyo, you are taking in animals that no one else wants, that you are caring for creatures that may be ill or undesirable (to others) but deserve to live, and that you are NOT the people who are letting their cats roam to spread disease, cause damage and repopulate the earth (i can't figure out why it's the conscientious people, who try to make good on the problems created by others, who get penalized) -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
