date:20060103


 Hi All,
My little Bailey is now anemic, he started losing weight over the last 2 
months and his count was 22 or 23 about 2 weeks ago and yesterday was 
down to 18.


We are not positive this is exactly accurate because getting blood
from him is extremely difficult and yesterday we were only able to get
about 1/2 a vial. His gums are getting pale though and he is sleeping
alot and not eating very good.  My vet is ordering epogen and we are
going to be starting him on that.  One thing I forgot to ask her is if
it is non-regenerative, will do that today.  His bloodwork other than
that was pretty good, although there was one other thing that was off
and I will get copies faxed to me so I can see what that was.  He had
xrays a week ago Monday and everything there looked OK.

Bailey is 10 years old and has been positive since 5 months of age.
Last year he developed pretty bad stomastisis and after trying
everything under the sun (antibiotics, acupunture, chinese herbs) we
finally pulled all but his canines and tiny teeth in between them.
This seemed to take care of the problem until within the lat couple of
months.  I noticed he wasn't eating as good and that's when we did
this last blood work and found the anemia and that his mouth was
inflamed again.  He has been on doxy and busperone and I added antirobe 
the last couple of days with the vets OK, and his mouth looks nice and 
healed but his gums are pretty pale.  I syringe fed him for a few days 
and he is eating a bit on his own.  If he doesn't pick up his eating 
today it will be back to syringing again which he really hates.


He is on raw which he loves and got up to 11 pounds, but his weight
now is at 8lbs 10oz, so in the last 2 monts he has lost over 2 pounds
and a pound of that was in the last 2 weeks.

Any suggestions I can bring to my vet??  She is very good about trying
things I suggest.  I seem to remember someone from this list said
they were having luck with immunoregalan (was that you Kerry?).  Has 
anyone used epogen and immunoregalan together??  I asked my vet about 
immunoregalan and she said she thought the epogen would be better to 
try, anyone have any comments about that???


Thanks for any ideas or suggestions I can pass on to my vet, and hope
everyones furkids are doing well!!:)

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Here's hoping that Bailey improves. He has always been one of the poster cats on this list.Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All,My little Bailey is now anemic, he started losing weight over the last 2 months and his count was 22 or 23 about 2 weeks ago and yesterday was down to 18.We are not positive this is exactly accurate because getting bloodfrom him is extremely difficult and yesterday we were only able to getabout 1/2 a vial. His gums are getting pale though and he is sleepingalot and not eating very good. My vet is ordering epogen and we aregoing to be starting him on that. One thing I forgot to ask her is ifit is non-regenerative, will do that today. His bloodwork other thanthat was pretty good, although there was one other thing that was offand I will get copies
faxed to me so I can see what that was. He hadxrays a week ago Monday and everything there looked OK.Bailey is 10 years old and has been positive since 5 months of age.Last year he developed pretty bad stomastisis and after tryingeverything under the sun (antibiotics, acupunture, chinese herbs) wefinally pulled all but his canines and tiny teeth in between them.This seemed to take care of the problem until within the lat couple ofmonths. I noticed he wasn't eating as good and that's when we didthis last blood work and found the anemia and that his mouth wasinflamed again. He has been on doxy and busperone and I added antirobe the last couple of days with the vets OK, and his mouth looks nice and healed but his gums are pretty pale. I syringe fed him for a few days and he is eating a bit on his own. If he doesn't pick up his eating today it will be back to syringing again which he really hates.He is on raw which he loves
and got up to 11 pounds, but his weightnow is at 8lbs 10oz, so in the last 2 monts he has lost over 2 poundsand a pound of that was in the last 2 weeks.Any suggestions I can bring to my vet?? She is very good about tryingthings I suggest. I seem to remember someone from this list saidthey were having luck with immunoregalan (was that you Kerry?). Has anyone used epogen and immunoregalan together?? I asked my vet about immunoregalan and she said she thought the epogen would be better to try, anyone have any comments about that???Thanks for any ideas or suggestions I can pass on to my vet, and hopeeveryones furkids are doing well!! :)-- BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting
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Re: Bailey is anemic


 Thanks Joan, I have to admit I'm pretty scared and worried.

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Re: Bailey is anemic




Bleinda,

 I am one of the people who has been praising Immuno-regulin, 
but I used it for difficult URI's, not anemia. Someone else on the list had luck 
with it raising the WBC count. But the article by Dr. Lees on the website 
says that he has used it successfully with very anemic positives, so I would try 
it. I do not see a reason to choose between Epogen and I-R, as they are totally 
different and do different things (Epogen mimics a hormone from the kidneys 
while I-R is a bacteria that stimulates the immune system), unless there is a 
fear that they might interact badly. You might want to call Dr. Lees in Ohio to 
ask if he has ever used both together. I called him before trying I-R the first 
time and he was very willing to talk about it.

Bandy seems to have done very well, anemia-wise, on 
folic acid and some other things, including Epogen I think. Did you save 
the last email about his progress (RBC up to 32, from a low of around 17 I 
think) and all the stuff he is on? I would definitely try what he is 
getting, since it seems to be helping a lot.

Sending warm thoughts,
Michelle

Re: Hardy

2006-01-03 Thread TatorBunz



Sherry.
 Hardy had you to love him until the end even though it was only in a short time. Bless You!
You are in my thoughts and prayers!

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RE: Bailey is anemic

2006-01-03 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.

Dear Belinda, I'm so sorry to hear Bailey has anemia. I hope the result
shows it's not the nonregenerative type. Sadly I did not have a chance
to use the immumoregulin that I obtained for Flavia, so I have no
experience of actually using it. But Michelle (Lerner) had used it and
it was on Michelle's strong recommendation that I wanted to try it.
See below for protocol info, 3 articles on IR, a helpful email from
listmemmber Kyle, and the tel # of the supplier (Revival Animal Health
in Iowa) who fedexed it to 2 clinics for me overnight in July. (Total
per 1 package inc shipping was $50.) 
IR INFO:
Revival's tel no is 800 786 4751. The Revival people were good to deal
with and the IR arrived at both vet clinics that I had it sent directly
to when it was supposed to (ie overnighted by Fedex). I had never
ordered it before and neither vet had ever used it but they were both
very positive about doing so and liaised with me about the protocol/how
much to use---it comes with directions in any case (although I haven't
seen those because it's at the clinics in case I ever need it for
Mickey). Revival instructions say a cat of 8lb is administered between
0.25 and 0.5 ml each time. There appear to be 2 possible protocols--4
times in first 2 weeks, then once a week till stabilized, then monthly
recommended thereafter for maintenance; OR once a week. 

Each of the 2 orders I placed with Revival was for 5ml of
ImmunoregulinEqstim, and they overnighted it to each of the 2 vet
clinics in a Polar box, to be refrigerated once it arrived. 

THE ARTICLES: 
http://www.felineleukemia.org/ireginfo.html 
http://www.felineleukemia.org/opinion.html 
http://www.felineleukemia.org/hope.html 

This archived site is also worth looking at--an email from web list
member Kyle, who had researched and used IR.
 http://www.mail-archive.com/felvtalk@felineleukemia.org/msg01946.html. 
I'm sorry that's about as much as I know of IR but I know you'll get a
lot of good advice from others, Belinda. 
I'm praying for little Bailey's speedy recovery---the little sweetheart
sure couldn't be in better hands. 
love and hugs to you both, Kerry

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Re: Bailey is anemic

2006-01-03 Thread TatorBunz



Yes, I totally agree Bailey is the "Poster Kitty" for the Felv List!
I do hope he gets better soon!
Wish I could offer some help. :(

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Re: Pit Bulls

Joan,
Here it is -

 Take the test and see if you can pick out the pit bull out of this
 page of pictures.  It's amazing how many other breeds look similar.
 http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html

Kat (Mew Jersey)

On Tue, 3 Jan 2006, Doljan, Joan wrote:

 Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 08:43:56 -0500
 From: Doljan, Joan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org' felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Pit Bulls

 Does anyone still have the email that had all the dog pictures and you had
 to guess the pit bull?

 Thanks,

 Joan

Re: Pit Bulls

2006-01-03 Thread TatorBunz





I thank you too. I couldn't find the link in my saved mail.
My husband and I was discussing this yesterday when he saw some of Animal Cops the other night with all the pit bulls. I was telling him of all the different ones.
Thanks again!

In a message dated 1/3/2006 7:13:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Joan,Here it is - Take the test and see if you can pick out the pit bull out of this page of pictures. It's amazing how many other breeds look similar. http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.htmlKat (Mew Jersey)


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RE: Pit Bulls

2006-01-03 Thread Doljan, Joan

Thanks

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kat
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 10:15 AM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: Re: Pit Bulls

Joan,
Here it is -

 Take the test and see if you can pick out the pit bull out of this 
 page of pictures.  It's amazing how many other breeds look similar. 
 http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html

Kat (Mew Jersey)

On Tue, 3 Jan 2006, Doljan, Joan wrote:

 Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 08:43:56 -0500
 From: Doljan, Joan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org' felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Pit Bulls

 Does anyone still have the email that had all the dog pictures and you 
 had to guess the pit bull?

 Thanks,

 Joan

Re: Hardy

Hey Sherry,

I am sorry to hear about Hardy.  It must be tough
working in the shelter and losing kitties you develop
a relationship with.  I respect you and all the others
who work in animal sanctuaries for taking the selfless
time to work with these homeless babies.  Bless you.

:)
Wendy  

--- Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi all,sweet Hardy that I told you all about crossed
 the Rainbow bridge yesterday,I did get to tell him
 that I loved him and he purred and purred.He always
 purred as soon as you would pet him,can he be added
 to the CLS? Thanks all for your prayers and
 thoughts.I am so glad that I had gotten the chance
 to love him,even for such a short time.I knew it was
 going to be hard volunteering with the sick kitties
 but I will keep loving them.
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Re: opinion?

I think it's good information.  Seems to be a good
overview of FeLV, but I wish the vet would have added
something about the value of all cat's lives so that
people wouldn't be getting the idea after reading this
that FeLV is such a horrible thing (I know it is, but
if that's all they understand, then so many will be
pts instead of considering caring for an FeLV positive
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Re: Pit Bulls


  Here is the website with the test:

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html

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Re: Pit Bulls


Opps, guess someone had already sent it   :)

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Re: Add Pansy to the bridge list

Gloria,

I've been off-line all last week, but wanted to add my condolences
on your loss of Pansy.  It's such a shock when something like this
happens - seemingly out of the blue.

Something sort of similar happened to me -only it was a week after I had
my 6 month old baby Callie (who was just the sweetest little calico
girl in the world) spayed.

About 1 week after the spay, I found Callie with blood on her face,
between her nose and left eye - on a Sunday morning. So off to the
emergency vet I go - they said she was slightly dehydrated, and the blood
was from a scratch - so give her some karo syrup in water and seperate her
from the other cats, just in case they had gotten into a spat. While I was
setting up a crate for Callie, I heard her thrashing in the cat carrier.

When I took her out to hold her I realized she was having a seizure - so
back to the ER.  They couldn't stop the seizures - even with a dose of
phenobarbital big enough for a Great Dane - and I had to let her go.  The
next day I brought her body to my vet (who did the spay) for a necropsy,
and she found numerous dry FIP lesions thruout her body - including her
brain (which is what caused the seizures).

I know of a friend who lost her 1 year old kitty during a spay due to
undetected heart problems - so sometimes it doesn't matter how old they
are. Please just know that you were able to love her, and she knew your
love.  I am so sorry for your loss.

Kat (Mew Jersey)

anemia

I'm wondering what to do about my fragile 19 year-old Fu. He is so
anemic he can barely walk. He is not felv positive. The vet said his red
cell blood count is affected by the pred we give him to keep his
intestinal cancer in remission and the fluids he need for hyperthyroid
related/probably kidney disease.

The vet worried about reactions or consequences of epogen or petinnic. I
have given him some chicken liver.

I am worried about him making it a few  more daays.

Bonnie

Re: Bailey is anemic

Belinda,

Please keep us posted on Bailey.  I hope that he
responds well to the Epogen and I/R.  I will keep you
and Bailey in my prayers.

:)
Wendy





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Re: Pit Bulls

2006-01-03 Thread TenHouseCats

here's a new one that just came through on one of my lists. they say it's harder. personally, i did so badly on the original that i haven't even TRIED this one (but i DID save the link!)

http://www.chako.org/breedtest.html-- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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OT - Cat Trans Lambertville, MI to Bella Vista, AR Jan 7 8


Contacts are [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Begin forwarded message:


From: Carolyn Fitzgerald [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Maine Coon Rescue http://mainecoonrescue.com is transporting Baby  
Huey, who is a big beautiful Maine Coon Cat, from_foster: Pat  
Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]  to his approved forever home  
with  Aimee Schumacher  [EMAIL PROTECTED]


from_city+state: Lambertville, MI
to_city+state: Bella Vista, AR

dates  Jan 7 and 8

beginning_city+state: Lambertville, MI
ending_city+state: Bella Vista, AR

how_far_from_each_end_can_travel_to_meet_connection:

breed_of_kit: Maine Coon mix
name_of_kit: Baby Huey
age: 5
gender: M
n_or_s: N
size+weight: Extra Large - 23#
health_certificate:
rabies+date: March 2005
rabies_tag_number+state: Ohio
other_vac+date: Distemper 9/05
dewormed: 12/05
advantage%2cfrontline+or+program: 11/05 -
Revolution
known_med_problems: Chronic UTI
known_physical_conditions_or_limitations: None
aggression_or_behavior_issues: None
info_or_reports_of_biting_or_aggressive_behavior:
No
explanation_of_known_aggression_or_behavior_problems:
recent_or_current_contagious_cond_or_disease: No
special_needs_or_meds_to_be_admin_during_transport:
No
tem! perament: People, Cat friendly
attitude_toward_strangers: Cautious
disposition_toward_extended_car_rides: Unknown
situation: Going to Forever Home
carrier_or_crate: Will be provided
size_of_carrier_or_crate: Extra Large
other_items_or_meds_accompanying_furkid: Litter
box, water, food, vet records, medication

name_of_rescue_group: Maine Coon Rescue (MCR)
url_of_rescue_group: http://mainecoonrescue.com/

additionalrescuegroupinfo:
http://mainecoonrescue.petfinder.com

reason_for_transport: Going to forever home

***  Please Crosspost **

If y! ou can take a leg of this trip, please contact Carol  
Fitzgerald [EMAIL PROTECTED]
carolfittzgc @ yahoo.com   OFF LIST as I am no mail and digest and  
woulkd hate to miss your offer of help.
as always the legs of the trip are flexible, just let us know how  
far you can drive.


Saturday Jan 7
Leg 1:  Lambertville MI to Angola, IN  84 miles 1 hr 30 mins  Start  
8:00 am FILLED Thanks Pat


Leg 2:  Angola, IN to South Bend, IN  78 miles 1 hr 15 mins Start  
9:30 am NEEDED


Leg 3:  South Bend, IN to Gary, IN   65 miles 1 hr  Start 10:45 am   
NEEDED


Leg 4: Gary, IN to Braidwood, IL   65 miles 1 hr Start 11:45am NEEDED

Leg 5:  Braidwood, IL to Normal, IL   72 miles 1 hr 15 mins Star! t  
12:45 pm NEEDED


Leg 6: Normal, IL to Springfield, IL   69 miles 1 hr 15 mins Start  
2:00pm  NEEDED


Leg 7: Springfield, IL to St Louis, MO 100 miles 1hr 30 mins  Start  
3:00pm NEEDED


OVERNIGHT IN THIS AREANEEDED

Sunday January 8
Leg 8: St Louis, MO to Sullivan, MO  67 miles 1 hr Start 8:30 am   
NEEDED


Leg 9: Sullivan, MO to Waynesville, MO  68 miles 1 hr Start 9:30 am  
NEEDED


Leg 10:  Waynesville, MO to Springfield, MO  82 miles 1 hr 30 mins  
Start 10:30 am NEEDED


Leg 11: Springfield, MO to Joplin, MO  71 miles 1 hr 15 mins  Start  
12:00 pm  NEEDED


Leg 12:  Joplin, MO to Bella Vista, AR  52 miles 1 hr Start 1:30  
pm ! FILLED Thanks Aimee



Carolyn Fitzgerald
Maine Coon Rescue
Chairman of the Board
Executive Director
Rescue Chair
http://mainecoonrescue.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: OT - Cat Trans Lambertville, MI to Bella Vista, AR Jan 7 8

2006-01-03 Thread Susan Loesch

Wonder how close this is to MinneapolisGloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Contacts are [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED]Begin forwarded message: From: Carolyn Fitzgerald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Maine Coon Rescue http://mainecoonrescue.com is transporting Baby  Huey, who is a big beautiful Maine Coon Cat, from_foster: Pat  Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] to his approved forever home  with Aimee Schumacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] from_city+state: Lambertville, MI to_city+state: Bella Vista, AR dates Jan 7 and 8 beginning_city+state: Lambertville, MI ending_city+state: Bella Vista, AR how_far_from_each_end_can_travel_to_meet_connection: breed_of_kit: Maine Coon mix name_of_kit:
 Baby Huey age: 5 gender: M n_or_s: N size+weight: Extra Large - 23# health_certificate: rabies+date: March 2005 rabies_tag_number+state: Ohio other_vac+date: Distemper 9/05 dewormed: 12/05 advantage%2cfrontline+or+program: 11/05 - Revolution known_med_problems: Chronic UTI known_physical_conditions_or_limitations: None aggression_or_behavior_issues: None info_or_reports_of_biting_or_aggressive_behavior: No explanation_of_known_aggression_or_behavior_problems: recent_or_current_contagious_cond_or_disease: No special_needs_or_meds_to_be_admin_during_transport: No tem! perament: People, Cat friendly attitude_toward_strangers: Cautious disposition_toward_extended_car_rides: Unknown situation: Going to Forever Home carrier_or_crate: Will be provided size_of_carrier_or_crate: Extra
 Large other_items_or_meds_accompanying_furkid: Litter box, water, food, vet records, medication name_of_rescue_group: Maine Coon Rescue (MCR) url_of_rescue_group: http://mainecoonrescue.com/ additionalrescuegroupinfo: http://mainecoonrescue.petfinder.com reason_for_transport: Going to forever home *** Please Crosspost ** If y! ou can take a leg of this trip, please contact Carol  Fitzgerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] carolfittzgc @ yahoo.com OFF LIST as I am no mail and digest and  woulkd hate to miss your offer of help. as always the legs of the trip are flexible, just let us know how  far you can drive. Saturday Jan 7 Leg 1: Lambertville MI to Angola, IN 84 miles 1 hr 30 mins Start  8:00 am FILLED Thanks Pat Leg 2: Angola, IN to South Bend, IN 78 miles 1 hr 15 mins
 Start  9:30 am NEEDED Leg 3: South Bend, IN to Gary, IN 65 miles 1 hr Start 10:45 am  NEEDED Leg 4: Gary, IN to Braidwood, IL 65 miles 1 hr Start 11:45am NEEDED Leg 5: Braidwood, IL to Normal, IL 72 miles 1 hr 15 mins Star! t  12:45 pm NEEDED Leg 6: Normal, IL to Springfield, IL 69 miles 1 hr 15 mins Start  2:00pm NEEDED Leg 7: Springfield, IL to St Louis, MO 100 miles 1hr 30 mins Start  3:00pm NEEDED OVERNIGHT IN THIS AREA NEEDED Sunday January 8 Leg 8: St Louis, MO to Sullivan, MO 67 miles 1 hr Start 8:30 am  NEEDED Leg 9: Sullivan, MO to Waynesville, MO 68 miles 1 hr Start 9:30 am  NEEDED Leg 10: Waynesville, MO to Springfield, MO 82 miles 1 hr 30 mins  Start 10:30 am NEEDED Leg 11: Springfield, MO to Joplin, MO 71 miles 1 hr 15 mins Start 
 12:00 pm NEEDED Leg 12: Joplin, MO to Bella Vista, AR 52 miles 1 hr Start 1:30  pm ! FILLED Thanks Aimee Carolyn Fitzgerald Maine Coon Rescue Chairman of the Board Executive Director Rescue Chair http://mainecoonrescue.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Bailey is anemic

Best of luck to you, Belinda - I've used Georges Aloe Vera for  
stomatitis, and also Antirode (Clindamycin), all seemed to help.   
I've wondered about essential fatty acids to counter wasting.  Was  
reading about CLA (Linoleic Acid?).  Lots of good vibes for sweet  
Bailey.


Gloria


On Jan 3, 2006, at 7:58 AM, Belinda Sauro wrote:


 Hi All,
My little Bailey is now anemic, he started losing weight over the  
last 2 months and his count was 22 or 23 about 2 weeks ago and  
yesterday was down to 18.


We are not positive this is exactly accurate because getting blood
from him is extremely difficult and yesterday we were only able to get
about 1/2 a vial. His gums are getting pale though and he is sleeping
alot and not eating very good.  My vet is ordering epogen and we are
going to be starting him on that.  One thing I forgot to ask her is if
it is non-regenerative, will do that today.  His bloodwork other than
that was pretty good, although there was one other thing that was off
and I will get copies faxed to me so I can see what that was.  He had
xrays a week ago Monday and everything there looked OK.

Bailey is 10 years old and has been positive since 5 months of age.
Last year he developed pretty bad stomastisis and after trying
everything under the sun (antibiotics, acupunture, chinese herbs) we
finally pulled all but his canines and tiny teeth in between them.
This seemed to take care of the problem until within the lat couple of
months.  I noticed he wasn't eating as good and that's when we did
this last blood work and found the anemia and that his mouth was
inflamed again.  He has been on doxy and busperone and I added  
antirobe the last couple of days with the vets OK, and his mouth  
looks nice and healed but his gums are pretty pale.  I syringe fed  
him for a few days and he is eating a bit on his own.  If he  
doesn't pick up his eating today it will be back to syringing again  
which he really hates.


He is on raw which he loves and got up to 11 pounds, but his weight
now is at 8lbs 10oz, so in the last 2 monts he has lost over 2 pounds
and a pound of that was in the last 2 weeks.

Any suggestions I can bring to my vet??  She is very good about trying
things I suggest.  I seem to remember someone from this list said
they were having luck with immunoregalan (was that you Kerry?).   
Has anyone used epogen and immunoregalan together??  I asked my vet  
about immunoregalan and she said she thought the epogen would be  
better to try, anyone have any comments about that???


Thanks for any ideas or suggestions I can pass on to my vet, and hope
everyones furkids are doing well!!:)

Re: anemia





I do not understand why pred would make anemia worse-- they often give 
steroids to make anemia better. The only thing I can think of with anemia 
that steroids would make worse is if it is caused by a bacteria like 
hemobartanella.

I would guess, with Fu's kidney failure, that the anemia is more likely 
related to him not producing enough of the kidney hormone that tells the bone 
marrow to produce red blood cells, and that is exactly what Epogen is for. 
Reactions to Epogen tend to happen after months, I think. I would get a 
second opinion on trying Epogen, from someone like an internist. 

The other possibility is that the intestinal cancer has moved into the bone 
marrow. But that would probably call for more, rather than less, steroids.

I would take Fu to an internist, I think.

What is his rbc or hematocrit?

Michelle

In a message dated 1/3/2006 10:42:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm 
  wondering what to do about my fragile 19 year-old Fu. He is soanemic he 
  can barely walk. He is not felv positive. The vet said his redcell blood 
  count is affected by the pred we give him to keep hisintestinal cancer in 
  remission and the fluids he need for hyperthyroidrelated/probably kidney 
  disease.The vet worried about reactions or consequences of epogen or 
  petinnic. Ihave given him some chicken liver.I am worried about 
  him making it a few more 
daays.Bonnie

Need your help with Stretch

Hi guys,

I don't know if you remember me saying that my nephew,
who turned 11 in Nov., came to live with us in May,
and we took in his three kitties that his mom just
left at their house when they moved out.  Well, one of
his kitties, Stretch, started breathing funny
yesterday evening.  You could put your ear to her
stomach and hear almost like a loud heartbeat off and
on; like something squishy moving around in her
stomach.  We also noticed that Stretch has lost some
weight and hasn't been standing so strong as we are
used to seeing her.  She's not big, but has always
seemed kind of muscular.  I guess these kinds of
changes that are slow and gradual you don't notice
right away, and we finally put it all together
yesterday on the way to the vet.  Luckily, the vet was
still there and said that either Stretch has fluid in
her chest or some other part of her body, or the lymph
node in her stomach (?) has enlarged and is putting
pressure on her heart/lungs.  (I might not be
remembering all this exactly).  He said she might have
pneumonia or it could be symptoms of FIP or FeLV.  I
don't think it's FeLV as I have never heard anyone
talk about these symptoms, but I read up on FIP in my
cat books last night and one of the symptoms is fluid
in the body.  The vet gave her a dex shot and put her
on Baytril and said to wait and see if she responds to
the medicine in a couple of days.  He also said we
will want to test her in a couple of days for
FIP/FeLV.  Stretch and her sister, Winnie, were found
by my sister at Trader's Village in Dallas on a trash
can lid at like 3/4 weeks, maybe younger, and my
sister bottle fed them until they were old enough to
eat.  (That's why it was so hard for me to believe
that she just left them in the house; she has always
loved animals).  So considering where and how they
were found, it's possible they could have been exposed
or born with FIP or FeLV.  

My questions are these: 1) Has anyone here ever heard
of these symptoms? 2) Does anyone have any advice for
us?

Thanks guys.  My nephew and I really appreciate your
time and suggestions.
:)
Wendy



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Re: Bailey is anemic

Belinda,

I have no experience with anemia, so can only suggest trying the raw liver
shake.  But I will keep Bailey and you in my prayers for a quick recovery!

Kat (Mew Jersey)

Re: Add Pansy to the bridge list

Thanks so much, Kat - it helps to know of other experiences with this  
sort of thing, and that there are other possibilities for causes.


Gloria


On Jan 3, 2006, at 9:42 AM, Kat wrote:


Gloria,

I've been off-line all last week, but wanted to add my condolences
on your loss of Pansy.  It's such a shock when something like this
happens - seemingly out of the blue.

Something sort of similar happened to me -only it was a week after  
I had

my 6 month old baby Callie (who was just the sweetest little calico
girl in the world) spayed.

About 1 week after the spay, I found Callie with blood on her face,
between her nose and left eye - on a Sunday morning. So off to the
emergency vet I go - they said she was slightly dehydrated, and the  
blood
was from a scratch - so give her some karo syrup in water and  
seperate her
from the other cats, just in case they had gotten into a spat.  
While I was
setting up a crate for Callie, I heard her thrashing in the cat  
carrier.


When I took her out to hold her I realized she was having a seizure  
- so

back to the ER.  They couldn't stop the seizures - even with a dose of
phenobarbital big enough for a Great Dane - and I had to let her  
go.  The
next day I brought her body to my vet (who did the spay) for a  
necropsy,
and she found numerous dry FIP lesions thruout her body - including  
her

brain (which is what caused the seizures).

I know of a friend who lost her 1 year old kitty during a spay due to
undetected heart problems - so sometimes it doesn't matter how old  
they
are. Please just know that you were able to love her, and she knew  
your

love.  I am so sorry for your loss.

Kat (Mew Jersey)

Re: anemia


Hmmm - I'm wondering why PetTinic would be a problem..

Gloria


On Jan 3, 2006, at 9:42 AM, BONNIE J KALMBACH wrote:


I'm wondering what to do about my fragile 19 year-old Fu. He is so
anemic he can barely walk. He is not felv positive. The vet said  
his red

cell blood count is affected by the pred we give him to keep his
intestinal cancer in remission and the fluids he need for hyperthyroid
related/probably kidney disease.

The vet worried about reactions or consequences of epogen or  
petinnic. I

have given him some chicken liver.

I am worried about him making it a few  more daays.

Bonnie

Re: OT - Cat Trans Lambertville, MI to Bella Vista, AR Jan 7 8


It's Michigan, not Minnisota.. and going from Michigan to Arkansas.


On Jan 3, 2006, at 9:59 AM, Susan Loesch wrote:


Wonder how close this is to Minneapolis

Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Contacts are  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Begin forwarded message:

 From: Carolyn Fitzgerald

 Maine Coon Rescue http://mainecoonrescue.com is transporting Baby
 Huey, who is a big beautiful Maine Coon Cat, from_foster: Pat
 Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] to his approved forever home
 with Aimee Schumacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 from_city+state: Lambertville, MI
 to_city+state: Bella Vista, AR

 dates Jan 7 and 8

 beginning_city+state: Lambertville, MI
 ending_city+state: Bella Vista, AR

 how_far_from_each_end_can_travel_to_meet_connection:

 breed_of_kit: Maine Coon mix
 name_of_kit: Baby Huey
 age: 5
 gender: M
 n_or_s: N
 size+weight: Extra Large - 23#
 health_certificate:
 rabies+date: March 2005
 rabies_tag_number+state: Ohio
 other_vac+date: Distemper 9/05
 dewormed: 12/05
 advantage%2cfrontline+or+program: 11/05 -
 Revolution
 known_med_problems: Chronic UTI
 known_physical_conditions_or_limitations: None
 aggression_or_behavior_issues: None
 info_or_reports_of_biting_or_aggressive_behavior:
 No
 explanation_of_known_aggression_or_behavior_problems:
 recent_or_current_contagious_cond_or_disease: No
 special_needs_or_meds_to_be_admin_during_transport:
 No
 tem! perament: People, Cat friendly
 attitude_toward_strangers: Cautious
 disposition_toward_extended_car_rides: Unknown
 situation: Going to Forever Home
 carrier_or_crate: Will be provided
 size_of_carrier_or_crate: Extra Large
 other_items_or_meds_accompanying_furkid: Litter
 box, water, food, vet records, medication

 name_of_rescue_group: Maine Coon Rescue (MCR)
 url_of_rescue_group: http://mainecoonrescue.com/

 additionalrescuegroupinfo:
 http://mainecoonrescue.petfinder.com

 reason_for_transport: Going to forever home

 *** Please Crosspost **

 If y! ou can take a leg of this trip, please contact Carol
 Fitzgerald [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 carolfittzgc @ yahoo.com OFF LIST as I am no mail and digest and
 woulkd hate to miss your offer of help.
 as always the legs of the trip are flexible, just let us know how
 far you can drive.

 Saturday Jan 7
 Leg 1: Lambertville MI to Angola, IN 84 miles 1 hr 30 mins Start
 8:00 am FILLED Thanks Pat

 Leg 2: Angola, IN to South Bend, IN 78 miles 1 hr 15 mins Start
 9:30 am NEEDED

 Leg 3: South Bend, IN to Gary, IN 65 miles 1 hr Start 10:45 am
 NEEDED

 Leg 4: Gary, IN to Braidwood, IL 65 miles 1 hr Start 11:45am NEEDED

 Leg 5: Braidwood, IL to Normal, IL 72 miles 1 hr 15 mins Star! t
 12:45 pm NEEDED

 Leg 6: Normal, IL to Springfield, IL 69 miles 1 hr 15 mins Start
 2:00pm NEEDED

 Leg 7: Springfield, IL to St Louis, MO 100 miles 1hr 30 mins Start
 3:00pm NEEDED

 OVERNIGHT IN THIS AREA NEEDED

 Sunday January 8
 Leg 8: St Louis, MO to Sullivan, MO 67 miles 1 hr Start 8:30 am
 NEEDED

 Leg 9: Sullivan, MO to Waynesville, MO 68 miles 1 hr Start 9:30 am
 NEEDED

 Leg 10: Waynesville, MO to Springfield, MO 82 miles 1 hr 30 mins
 Start 10:30 am NEEDED

 Leg 11: Springfield, MO to Joplin, MO 71 miles 1 hr 15 mins Start
 12:00 pm NEEDED

 Leg 12: Joplin, MO to Bella Vista, AR 52 miles 1 hr Start 1:30
 pm ! FILLED Thanks Aimee


 Carolyn Fitzgerald
 Maine Coon Rescue
 Chairman of the Board
 Executive Director
 Rescue Chair
 http://mainecoonrescue.com
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: OT - Cat Trans Lambertville, MI to Bella Vista, AR Jan 7 8

2006-01-03 Thread Susan Loesch

Well, duh. Minnesota is MN - I know that!Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  It's Michigan, not Minnisota.. and going from Michigan to Arkansas.On Jan 3, 2006, at 9:59 AM, Susan Loesch wrote: Wonder how close this is to Minneapolis Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Contacts are  [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] Begin forwarded message:  From: Carolyn Fitzgerald   Maine Coon Rescue http://mainecoonrescue.com is transporting Baby  Huey, who is a big beautiful Maine Coon Cat, from_foster: Pat  Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] to his approved forever home  with Aimee Schumacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]   from_city+state: Lambertville, MI  to_city+state:
 Bella Vista, AR   dates Jan 7 and 8   beginning_city+state: Lambertville, MI  ending_city+state: Bella Vista, AR   how_far_from_each_end_can_travel_to_meet_connection:   breed_of_kit: Maine Coon mix  name_of_kit: Baby Huey  age: 5  gender: M  n_or_s: N  size+weight: Extra Large - 23#  health_certificate:  rabies+date: March 2005  rabies_tag_number+state: Ohio  other_vac+date: Distemper 9/05  dewormed: 12/05  advantage%2cfrontline+or+program: 11/05 -  Revolution  known_med_problems: Chronic UTI  known_physical_conditions_or_limitations: None  aggression_or_behavior_issues: None  info_or_reports_of_biting_or_aggressive_behavior:  No 
 explanation_of_known_aggression_or_behavior_problems:  recent_or_current_contagious_cond_or_disease: No  special_needs_or_meds_to_be_admin_during_transport:  No  tem! perament: People, Cat friendly  attitude_toward_strangers: Cautious  disposition_toward_extended_car_rides: Unknown  situation: Going to Forever Home  carrier_or_crate: Will be provided  size_of_carrier_or_crate: Extra Large  other_items_or_meds_accompanying_furkid: Litter  box, water, food, vet records, medication   name_of_rescue_group: Maine Coon Rescue (MCR)  url_of_rescue_group: http://mainecoonrescue.com/   additionalrescuegroupinfo:  http://mainecoonrescue.petfinder.com   reason_for_transport: Going to forever home   *** Please Crosspost
 **   If y! ou can take a leg of this trip, please contact Carol  Fitzgerald [EMAIL PROTECTED]  carolfittzgc @ yahoo.com OFF LIST as I am no mail and digest and  woulkd hate to miss your offer of help.  as always the legs of the trip are flexible, just let us know how  far you can drive.   Saturday Jan 7  Leg 1: Lambertville MI to Angola, IN 84 miles 1 hr 30 mins Start  8:00 am FILLED Thanks Pat   Leg 2: Angola, IN to South Bend, IN 78 miles 1 hr 15 mins Start  9:30 am NEEDED   Leg 3: South Bend, IN to Gary, IN 65 miles 1 hr Start 10:45 am  NEEDED   Leg 4: Gary, IN to Braidwood, IL 65 miles 1 hr Start 11:45am NEEDED   Leg 5: Braidwood, IL to Normal, IL 72 miles 1 hr 15 mins Star! t  12:45 pm NEEDED
   Leg 6: Normal, IL to Springfield, IL 69 miles 1 hr 15 mins Start  2:00pm NEEDED   Leg 7: Springfield, IL to St Louis, MO 100 miles 1hr 30 mins Start  3:00pm NEEDED   OVERNIGHT IN THIS AREA NEEDED   Sunday January 8  Leg 8: St Louis, MO to Sullivan, MO 67 miles 1 hr Start 8:30 am  NEEDED   Leg 9: Sullivan, MO to Waynesville, MO 68 miles 1 hr Start 9:30 am  NEEDED   Leg 10: Waynesville, MO to Springfield, MO 82 miles 1 hr 30 mins  Start 10:30 am NEEDED   Leg 11: Springfield, MO to Joplin, MO 71 miles 1 hr 15 mins Start  12:00 pm NEEDED   Leg 12: Joplin, MO to Bella Vista, AR 52 miles 1 hr Start 1:30  pm ! FILLED Thanks AimeeCarolyn Fitzgerald  Maine Coon
 Rescue  Chairman of the Board  Executive Director  Rescue Chair  http://mainecoonrescue.com  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Bailey is anemic

2006-01-03 Thread TenHouseCats

GLOW for bailey, belinda.

no suggestions as the only anemia i've dealt with either was too far gone to treat (back when i didn't know what pale gums meant, sadly), or responded easily to resolving the cause (a really bad flea year, back before topical treatments.)


re: the stomatitis, i echo gloria in that antirobe/clindamycin seemed to work really well with the sanctuary cats; my siberian has major problems with it that one vet thought could only be resolved with extraction--another vet had had good results with a 3-shot series of depomedrol one week apart. we did that a little over a year ago, and she hasn't had a recurrence since with bailey's other problems, however, i have no idea how that'd work
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Re: anemia


   Bonnie,
  My Bailey will be starting epogen as soon as we get it.  The vets 
tell you there is a possibility of reaction this is not true, When and 
if a cat developes antibodies (if this ever happens it usuall takes 
atleast three months or longer) all that means is that the epogen 
(procrit, same thing) will not longer work.  A cancer kitty was on it 
for two years in conjunction with his chemo and it is the ONLY thing 
that regenerated his red cells, without it he would have died.  Please 
tell your vet you want to do it.  I will try to get the girls vets name 
that used it for Jean Luc for the 2 years.


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Re: Need your help with Stretch

Also, Stretch did not have a fever, surprisingly, and
has not been eating or drinking that we can tell.





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Re: anemia

The vet talked about reactions relative to Fu's case, not Petinnic in
general.
He is a young vet and people tell me that he graduated at the top of his
class at Wisconsin, and I have been impressed by him. He is nothing if
not thorough.

And, of course, Tuesdays are his day off..

Bonnie

 www.elephants.com

- Original Message -
From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2006 10:08 am
Subject: Re: anemia
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 Hmmm - I'm wondering why PetTinic would be a problem..
 
 Gloria
 
 
 On Jan 3, 2006, at 9:42 AM, BONNIE J KALMBACH wrote:
 
  I'm wondering what to do about my fragile 19 year-old Fu. He is so
  anemic he can barely walk. He is not felv positive. The vet said  
  his red
  cell blood count is affected by the pred we give him to keep his
  intestinal cancer in remission and the fluids he need for 
 hyperthyroid related/probably kidney disease.
 
  The vet worried about reactions or consequences of epogen or  
  petinnic. I
  have given him some chicken liver.
 
  I am worried about him making it a few  more daays.
 
  Bonnie

Re: anemia

Michelle,
 I don't know what his  rbc or hematocrit is; the vet told me but I
don't remember other than that it is extremely low.

Bonnie

 www.elephants.com

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2006 10:04 am
Subject: Re: anemia
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 
 I do not understand why pred would make anemia worse-- they often 
 give  
 steroids to make anemia better.  The only thing I can think of with 
 anemia  that 
 steroids would make worse is if it is caused by a bacteria like  
 hemobartanella. 
 I would guess, with Fu's kidney failure, that the anemia is more 
 likely  
 related to him not producing enough of the kidney hormone that 
 tells the bone  
 marrow to produce red blood cells, and that is exactly what Epogen 
 is for.   
 Reactions to Epogen tend to happen after months, I think.  I would 
 get a  second 
 opinion on trying Epogen, from someone like an internist. 
 
 The other possibility is that the intestinal cancer has moved into 
 the bone  
 marrow. But that would probably call for more, rather than less, 
 steroids. 
 I would take Fu to an internist, I think.
 
 What is his rbc or hematocrit?
 
 Michelle
 
 In a message dated 1/3/2006 10:42:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 I'm  wondering what to do about my fragile 19 year-old Fu. He is so
 anemic he  can barely walk. He is not felv positive. The vet said 
 his red
 cell blood  count is affected by the pred we give him to keep his
 intestinal cancer in  remission and the fluids he need for 
 hyperthyroidrelated/probably kidney  disease.
 
 The vet worried about reactions or consequences of epogen or  
 petinnic. I
 have given him some chicken liver.
 
 I am worried about  him making it a few  more  daays.
 
 Bonnie

Re: anemia


Bonnie,
I'm so sorry to hear Fu is not doing well.  I've fallen for your sweet 
Fu through your posts about him and I'm praying that he once again makes 
a miraculous come back.  If I were you, given how serious his condition 
is,  I am worried about him making it a few more days , I might try 
the Epogen, maybe even IR.  It's always such a heart wrenching decision 
making process when they're so fragile.  I know you'll make the right 
choices, whatever you decide.  Follow your instincts, you've done such a 
phenomenal job in caring for darling Fu, he knows how much you love him 
and that you do everything possible to help him stay healthy.  Please 
keep posting about how he's doing, if you're able.

Much love to you and Fu,
Nina

BONNIE J KALMBACH wrote:


I'm wondering what to do about my fragile 19 year-old Fu. He is so
anemic he can barely walk. He is not felv positive. The vet said his red
cell blood count is affected by the pred we give him to keep his
intestinal cancer in remission and the fluids he need for hyperthyroid
related/probably kidney disease.

The vet worried about reactions or consequences of epogen or petinnic. I
have given him some chicken liver.

I am worried about him making it a few  more daays.

Bonnie

Cats in sinks

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Re: anemia

Nina,
 That was such a sweet post. I talked to another vet at the clinic; she
is going to call a specialist at the vet school about Epogen. She said
at the clinic where she used to work, there were almost always bad
reactions to Epogen, which is why they are so cautious about it.

Bonnie
 

 www.elephants.com

- Original Message -
From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2006 12:56 pm
Subject: Re: anemia
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 Bonnie,
 I'm so sorry to hear Fu is not doing well.  I've fallen for your 
 sweet 
 Fu through your posts about him and I'm praying that he once again 
 makes 
 a miraculous come back.  If I were you, given how serious his 
 condition 
 is,  I am worried about him making it a few more days , I might 
 try 
 the Epogen, maybe even IR.  It's always such a heart wrenching 
 decision 
 making process when they're so fragile.  I know you'll make the 
 right 
 choices, whatever you decide.  Follow your instincts, you've done 
 such a 
 phenomenal job in caring for darling Fu, he knows how much you love 
 him 
 and that you do everything possible to help him stay healthy.  
 Please 
 keep posting about how he's doing, if you're able.
 Much love to you and Fu,
 Nina
 
 BONNIE J KALMBACH wrote:
 
 I'm wondering what to do about my fragile 19 year-old Fu. He is so
 anemic he can barely walk. He is not felv positive. The vet said 
 his red
 cell blood count is affected by the pred we give him to keep his
 intestinal cancer in remission and the fluids he need for 
 hyperthyroidrelated/probably kidney disease.
 
 The vet worried about reactions or consequences of epogen or 
 petinnic. I
 have given him some chicken liver.
 
 I am worried about him making it a few  more daays.
 
 Bonnie

Re: anemia

Well that seems strange.  How is it that the members of this list have 
had good results and they have almost always had bad reactions?  Could 
it be something about differing protocols, or applications?  Maybe your 
vet is using more than others that have had success?  Or the 
circumstances are different somehow?  Where the hell is that crystal 
ball when you need it?

Nina

BONNIE J KALMBACH wrote:


Nina,
That was such a sweet post. I talked to another vet at the clinic; she
is going to call a specialist at the vet school about Epogen. She said
at the clinic where she used to work, there were almost always bad
reactions to Epogen, which is why they are so cautious about it.

Bonnie

Re: Need your help with Stretch

2006-01-03 Thread w8357

Hi Wendy,
My approx 8mth old boy, maurice recently had to be put down he had
similar symptoms.
He developed fluid in  outside of his lungs. He was approx. 2mths when
we found him on a track while kids were at track practice.
He was tested around july  found to have FELV +. He had done well until
about 3wks ago, started throwing up  breathing like retractions in his
abdomen.
I took him to another vet for 2nd opinion since the 1st one told me he
had fluid in lungs when he felt was from the FELV and could not do
anything else for him.
He had been sleeping a lot last 3wks and not his usually self. The 2nd
opinion vet in mesquite texas told me she felt he had thymus ca which was
causing the fluid in his lungs. She could put his under to drawn off the
fluid  could not guarantee that he would wake up. Afterward if he made
it he would need chemo.
I did not want to put him thru all of that so decided to let them put him
down.

hope infor helps and hope your kitty gets better.

may

On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 08:04:50 -0800 (PST) wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
 Hi guys,
 
 I don't know if you remember me saying that my nephew,
 who turned 11 in Nov., came to live with us in May,
 and we took in his three kitties that his mom just
 left at their house when they moved out.  Well, one of
 his kitties, Stretch, started breathing funny
 yesterday evening.  You could put your ear to her
 stomach and hear almost like a loud heartbeat off and
 on; like something squishy moving around in her
 stomach.  We also noticed that Stretch has lost some
 weight and hasn't been standing so strong as we are
 used to seeing her.  She's not big, but has always
 seemed kind of muscular.  I guess these kinds of
 changes that are slow and gradual you don't notice
 right away, and we finally put it all together
 yesterday on the way to the vet.  Luckily, the vet was
 still there and said that either Stretch has fluid in
 her chest or some other part of her body, or the lymph
 node in her stomach (?) has enlarged and is putting
 pressure on her heart/lungs.  (I might not be
 remembering all this exactly).  He said she might have
 pneumonia or it could be symptoms of FIP or FeLV.  I
 don't think it's FeLV as I have never heard anyone
 talk about these symptoms, but I read up on FIP in my
 cat books last night and one of the symptoms is fluid
 in the body.  The vet gave her a dex shot and put her
 on Baytril and said to wait and see if she responds to
 the medicine in a couple of days.  He also said we
 will want to test her in a couple of days for
 FIP/FeLV.  Stretch and her sister, Winnie, were found
 by my sister at Trader's Village in Dallas on a trash
 can lid at like 3/4 weeks, maybe younger, and my
 sister bottle fed them until they were old enough to
 eat.  (That's why it was so hard for me to believe
 that she just left them in the house; she has always
 loved animals).  So considering where and how they
 were found, it's possible they could have been exposed
 or born with FIP or FeLV.  
 
 My questions are these: 1) Has anyone here ever heard
 of these symptoms? 2) Does anyone have any advice for
 us?
 
 Thanks guys.  My nephew and I really appreciate your
 time and suggestions.
 :)
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Re: Cats in sinks

Thanks for the comic relief Bonnie.  As I was paging through picture 
after picture, they not only made me laugh, but it warmed my heart to 
think of all the good homes out there with guardians that not only 
thought it was cute enough to take a picture of their cat in the sink, 
but wanted to share it with the rest of us.

N

BONNIE J KALMBACH wrote:


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RE: Cats in sinks

2006-01-03 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.

Yes, aren't they great! Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 2:03 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Cats in sinks

Thanks for the comic relief Bonnie.  As I was paging through picture 
after picture, they not only made me laugh, but it warmed my heart to 
think of all the good homes out there with guardians that not only 
thought it was cute enough to take a picture of their cat in the sink, 
but wanted to share it with the rest of us.
N

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http://catsinsinks.com/

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Re: Need your help with Stretch




It's not that it is a symptom of FeLV, but it can be a symptom of 
mediastinal lymphoma (lymphoma that starts in the lymph node in the chest), to 
which FeLV+ cats are prone (but other cats get it as well). The thing I do 
not like about what the vet did is that if it is mediastinal lymphoma, that 
tends to respond very well to chemotherapy, especially if the cat is not FeLV+ 
(some cats go into complete remission for years), but giving strong steroids 
before chemo is not recommended because it can reduce the effectiveness of 
chemo. 

I would take him to an internist at a clinic or hospital ASAP to get an 
actual diagnosis, which can be done by ultrasound and sometimes biopsy.

Michelle

Re: Hardy





Goodnight, sweet Hardy...

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Sherry 
  DeHaan 
  To: Felvtalk 
  Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 11:00 
  PM
  Subject: Hardy
  
  Hi all,sweet Hardy that I told you all about crossed the 
  Rainbow bridge yesterday,I did get to tell him that I loved him and he purred 
  and purred.He always purred as soon as you would pet him,can he be added to 
  the CLS? Thanks all for your prayers and thoughts.I am so glad that I had 
  gotten the chance to love him,even for such a short time.I knew it was going 
  to be hard volunteering with the sick kitties but I will keep loving 
  them.
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Re: Bailey is anemic





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  - Original Message - 
  From: Belinda 
  Sauro 
  To: FeLV Talk List [New] 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 8:58 
  AM
  Subject: Bailey is anemic
   Hi All,My little Bailey is now anemic, he started 
  losing weight over the last 2 months and his count was 22 or 23 about 2 
  weeks ago and yesterday was down to 18.We are not positive this is 
  exactly accurate because getting bloodfrom him is extremely difficult and 
  yesterday we were only able to getabout 1/2 a vial. His gums are getting 
  pale though and he is sleepingalot and not eating very good. My vet 
  is ordering epogen and we aregoing to be starting him on that. One 
  thing I forgot to ask her is ifit is non-regenerative, will do that 
  today. His bloodwork other thanthat was pretty good, although there 
  was one other thing that was offand I will get copies faxed to me so I can 
  see what that was. He hadxrays a week ago Monday and everything 
  there looked OK.Bailey is 10 years old and has been positive since 5 
  months of age.Last year he developed pretty bad stomastisis and after 
  tryingeverything under the sun (antibiotics, acupunture, chinese herbs) 
  wefinally pulled all but his canines and tiny teeth in between 
  them.This seemed to take care of the problem until within the lat couple 
  ofmonths. I noticed he wasn't eating as good and that's when we 
  didthis last blood work and found the anemia and that his mouth 
  wasinflamed again. He has been on doxy and busperone and I added 
  antirobe the last couple of days with the vets OK, and his mouth looks 
  nice and healed but his gums are pretty pale. I syringe fed him for 
  a few days and he is eating a bit on his own. If he doesn't pick up 
  his eating today it will be back to syringing again which he really 
  hates.He is on raw which he loves and got up to 11 pounds, but his 
  weightnow is at 8lbs 10oz, so in the last 2 monts he has lost over 2 
  poundsand a pound of that was in the last 2 weeks.Any suggestions 
  I can bring to my vet?? She is very good about tryingthings I 
  suggest. I seem to remember someone from this list saidthey were 
  having luck with immunoregalan (was that you Kerry?). Has anyone 
  used epogen and immunoregalan together?? I asked my vet about 
  immunoregalan and she said she thought the epogen would be better to 
  try, anyone have any comments about that???Thanks for any ideas or 
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Re: Cats in sinks





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  - Original Message - 
  From: BONNIE J KALMBACH 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 2:02 
  PM
  Subject: Cats in sinks
  http://catsinsinks.com/

RE: Hardy

2006-01-03 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.

Title: Message

Oh
Sherry, I'm in tears reading about Hardy. Poor little fellow. I'm so glad he had
you at his side, and knew he was loved right to the end. You havetaken on
a tough assignment. Bless you for that.
Kerry

-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaanSent: Monday, January 02, 2006 10:00
PMTo: FelvtalkSubject: Hardy
Hi all,sweet Hardy that I told you all about crossed the
Rainbow bridge yesterday,I did get to tell him that I loved him and he purred
and purred.He always purred as soon as you would pet him,can he be added to the
CLS? Thanks all for your prayers and thoughts.I am so glad that I had gotten the
chance to love him,even for such a short time.I knew it was going to be hard
volunteering with the sick kitties but I will keep loving them.
Sherry

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Re: anemia/bad reactions

Bonnie,

A friend's cat (here in NJ) DID have a bad reaction to epogen.
It was almost like an allergic reaction to it - bad enough that
the cat looked like she was dying no matter what. Fortunately,
the vet figured out what was happening (in time) and discontinued
the injections. But from what the vet said (this was several years
ago) bad reactions were not the norm.  Maybe something has changed
since then to make these reactions more common?

Sending you and Fu Healing vibes and prayers.
Kat (Mew Jersey)

On Tue, 3 Jan 2006, Nina wrote:

 Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 11:21:24 -0800
 From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: anemia

 Well that seems strange.  How is it that the members of this list have
 had good results and they have almost always had bad reactions?  Could
 it be something about differing protocols, or applications?  Maybe your
 vet is using more than others that have had success?  Or the
 circumstances are different somehow?  Where the hell is that crystal
 ball when you need it?
 Nina

 BONNIE J KALMBACH wrote:

 Nina,
  That was such a sweet post. I talked to another vet at the clinic; she
 is going to call a specialist at the vet school about Epogen. She said
 at the clinic where she used to work, there were almost always bad
 reactions to Epogen, which is why they are so cautious about it.
 
 Bonnie

HELP! Tsubomi is bulling Ginger -

2006-01-03 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto









Hi, I recently found out that Tsubomi is bulling my baby
Ginger  they are both FeLK kitties and are isolated in a small area 
I was hoping that they will become friends. Recently I noticed that, Ginger
does not go up to her favorite place  the top of the tower  it
seems its because Tsubomi gets mad if she goes up there, even if she is
not there --- Tsubomi is a sweet girl.. for some reason, they dont get
along well and breaking my heart. I love my Ginger very much, and when I
brought Tsubomi over in November, I was hoping that Ginger will be happy, but I
am not so sure anymore.. I dont know what to do.. I love them both its
such a small place that they are in, which makes the situation worse.I
sort of putting another cat tower in there.. but I am not sure if Tsubomi will
do the same thing to Ginger .. I am thinking of putting Tsubomi in a crate
during day time, so at least Ginger can feel not threatened.. I am just so sad
for Ginger and makes me very sad.. I did not want to give up.. but do I need
to??

Re: HELP! Tsubomi is bulling Ginger -





I had a similar situation with Buddy bullying Simon, both of whom were 
FeLV+ and sort of confined (at the time they lived in a furnished garage 
apartment with a fenced in yard and cat door, so it was not a small space, but 
still somewhat confined). He really terrified and bullied Simon. When I 
went away for a week and someone from the shelter was going to feed them, 
she suggested that I put Buddy in a big cage for the week I was gone so that he 
did not beat Simon up or corner him the whole time. I did that, and had a friend 
go a few times and take him out for a few hours. Buddy got lymphoma or FIP 
(never accurately diagnosed) a month or two later, and I always felt it was from 
the stress of being in the cage for the week. Given this, I would not 
recommend caging Tsubomi.

Have you tried putting a Feliway diffuser in there and also spraying 
Feliway? That has helped in the past with mine. Also, Patches is on 
transdermal benedryl for her anxiety-caused overgrooming, and a side effect has 
been that she has stopped hitting the other cats on the head as much. Maybe a 
little benedryl and the Feliway would chill Tsubomi out. The dose is 6.5 
mg twice a day, which is like 1/4 of the already very small over-the-counter 25 
mg Benedryl pills if you give it orally. I give Patches transdermally compounded 
Benadryl because she is hard to pill and after a few days of chasing her around 
and tackling her I decided giving it to her orally was not going to help her 
anxiety problem!

Also, do you give them catnip in a bunch of different places in the 
room?

Michelle

In a message dated 1/3/2006 5:44:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Hi, I recently found out that 
  Tsubomi is bulling my baby Ginger – they are both FeLK kitties and are 
  isolated in a small area – I was hoping that they will become friends. 
  Recently I noticed that, Ginger does not go up to her favorite place – the top 
  of the tower – it seems it’s because Tsubomi gets mad if she goes up there, 
  even if she is not there --- Tsubomi is a sweet girl.. for some reason, they 
  don’t get along well and breaking my heart. I love my Ginger very much, 
  and when I brought Tsubomi over in November, I was hoping that Ginger will be 
  happy, but I am not so sure anymore.. I don’t know what to do.. I love them 
  both –it’s such a small place that they are in, which makes the situation 
  worse….I sort of putting another cat tower in there.. but I am not sure if 
  Tsubomi will do the same thing to Ginger .. I am thinking of putting Tsubomi 
  in a crate during day time, so at least Ginger can feel not threatened.. I am 
  just so sad for Ginger and makes me very sad.. I did not want to give up.. but 
  do I need to??

RE: HELP! Tsubomi is bulling Ginger -

2006-01-03 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto









First of all, I am so sorry to hear about
what happened to Buddy  we do everything we can to care for our little
babies.. but when something like this happens, I know that we always think of
things we did or did not do.. but regardless, I know that Buddy knows that you
loved and still love him very much and you did what you could do to make sure
that they are both ok with each other.



I hate the idea of caging any one for
anytime  especially after what I did to George 

I have not tried Feliway in the room that
they are in  and yes I will definitely try  and will also try cat
nips. Ginger really never cared for cat nips but I am sure that Tsubomi
will --- they have been together two months or so now. And this is something
new and I am a bit freaking out - if their space is a bit bigger, I
wouldnt worry too much since Tsubomi does not constantly after Ginger 
I am also thinking its a territorial thing as Tsubomi wants to claim
that the top of the tower is hers  do you think having another cat tower
will help, too?











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006
3:55 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: HELP! Tsubomi is
bulling Ginger -









I had a similar situation with Buddy
bullying Simon, both of whom were FeLV+ and sort of confined (at the time they
lived in a furnished garage apartment with a fenced in yard and cat door, so it
was not a small space, but still somewhat confined). He really terrified
and bullied Simon. When I went away for a week and someone from the
shelter was going to feed them, she suggested that I put Buddy in a big cage
for the week I was gone so that he did not beat Simon up or corner him the
whole time. I did that, and had a friend go a few times and take him out for a
few hours. Buddy got lymphoma or FIP (never accurately diagnosed) a month or
two later, and I always felt it was from the stress of being in the cage for
the week. Given this, I would not recommend caging Tsubomi.











Have you tried putting a Feliway diffuser
in there and also spraying Feliway? That has helped in the past with
mine. Also, Patches is on transdermal benedryl for her anxiety-caused
overgrooming, and a side effect has been that she has stopped hitting the other
cats on the head as much. Maybe a little benedryl and the Feliway would chill
Tsubomi out. The dose is 6.5 mg twice a day, which is like 1/4 of the
already very small over-the-counter 25 mg Benedryl pills if you give it orally.
I give Patches transdermally compounded Benadryl because she is hard to pill
and after a few days of chasing her around and tackling her I decided giving it
to her orally was not going to help her anxiety problem!











Also, do you give them catnip in a bunch
of different places in the room?











Michelle











In a message dated 1/3/2006 5:44:27 P.M.
Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:





Hi, I recently found out that Tsubomi is bulling my baby Ginger
 they are both FeLK kitties and are isolated in a small area  I
was hoping that they will become friends. Recently I noticed that, Ginger does
not go up to her favorite place  the top of the tower  it seems
its because Tsubomi gets mad if she goes up there, even if she is not
there --- Tsubomi is a sweet girl.. for some reason, they dont get along
well and breaking my heart. I love my Ginger very much, and when I
brought Tsubomi over in November, I was hoping that Ginger will be happy, but I
am not so sure anymore.. I dont know what to do.. I love them both
its such a small place that they are in, which makes the
situation worse.I sort of putting another cat tower in there.. but I am
not sure if Tsubomi will do the same thing to Ginger .. I am thinking of
putting Tsubomi in a crate during day time, so at least Ginger can feel not
threatened.. I am just so sad for Ginger and makes me very sad.. I did not want
to give up.. but do I need to??

Re: HELP! Tsubomi is bulling Ginger -





Yes, I think that might help too. 

In a message dated 1/3/2006 6:18:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
– I am 
  also thinking it’s a territorial thing as Tsubomi wants to claim that the top 
  of the tower is hers – do you think having another cat tower will help, 
  too?

RE: Hardy

2006-01-03 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto

Title: Message








Dear Sherry, sometimes its not so
much about the quantity, but the quality of the time you spend  and it
sounds like, Hardys life meant so much more by meeting you  I know
he is no longer in his body, but I am sure that his soul is still right besides
you, and loving you. Thank you for everything you do for the kitties.



Hideyo











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006
2:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Hardy







Oh Sherry, I'm in tears reading about
Hardy. Poor little fellow. I'm so glad he had you at his side, and knew he was
loved right to the end. You havetaken on a tough assignment. Bless you
for that. 





Kerry





-Original Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006
10:00 PM
To: Felvtalk
Subject: Hardy





Hi all,sweet Hardy that I told you all about crossed the Rainbow bridge
yesterday,I did get to tell him that I loved him and he purred and purred.He
always purred as soon as you would pet him,can he be added to the CLS? Thanks
all for your prayers and thoughts.I am so glad that I had gotten the chance to
love him,even for such a short time.I knew it was going to be hard volunteering
with the sick kitties but I will keep loving them.





Sherry









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OT: I Stole Your Dog Today




I couldn't resist passing this along to you:


I STOLE YOUR DOG TODAYCopyright Jim Willis 
2002http://www.crean.com/jimwillis/
I 
stole your dog today. No, I didn't set a foot on your property, but from the 
condition of your dog, I can imagine what it looks like...the word "junkyard" 
comes to mind.
I 
found her along a road, with a heavy chain wrapped around her neck, still 
attached to rotten boards from her doghouse, with rusty six-penny nails 
protruding. Not only did I know that most of the town had already ignored her, 
judging by where I found her, but I knew that if she had gotten into the woods 
the "cross" that she dragged behind her would have wrapped around a tree until 
starvation or thirst killed her. The local populace is usually deaf to the sound 
or blind to the sight of an animal in need, unless they decide to shoot one for 
trespassing.
That 
her ribs showed, that her ears were filthy, that her overall condition was poor 
and that her coat and eyes were dull, were good indications that you didn't 
deserve her. But just to make sure, I checked with the local authorities for a 
report of a missing (unlicensed) dog matching her description and to see if 
you'd placed a "lost dog" advertisement in the local newspaper. You hadn't, 
which I can only surmise means that you do not miss her. That's rather 
convenient, because the fact that she is not spayed, probably unvaccinated, and 
possibly heartworm positive means that restoring her health could cost me around 
a thousand dollars.
Perhaps it may be some small comfort to know that she doesn't miss you. 
In fact, her very act of escape made it clear that she'd had enough of your 
brand of pet guardianship. It took her about a day to realize that I'm not you, 
that I won't hurt her, that despite our brief acquaintanceship, I love her. It 
took two days for her to realize that the other animals who live here accept her 
and that one of the joys she has been missing has been the companionship of 
other dogs. It took three days for her to appreciate the ecstasy of a homecooked 
meal and that a couch is meant to be reclined on, and that she no longer has to 
sleep outside - in fact, when the thunder starts, she'll get a hug and her ears 
rubbed, and I'll make a fool of myself with baby talk.
She 
has a beautiful name now. Already in the first week she has come to look more 
like she should. Her eyes sparkle and she has learned to wag her tail in 
greeting. She has stopped flinching when I make a sudden movement, because she 
knows now that I won't beat her, in fact, she rarely leaves my side. She's even 
become brave enough to bark at a cat and today I watched from the window as she 
initiated play with the other dogs. No, it's clear she does not miss you or her 
former life of neglect on a chain.
Of 
all the things that have become apparent from my brief relationship with her - 
such as the forgiving nature of the dog, their wonderful ability to heal and to 
trust, the fact that love can work miracles - one of the most apparent is what a 
fool you are. She was possibly the most trusting, loyal and loving being in your 
life, and you consigned her to a life of filth and loneliness until she made the 
best choice she's ever made when she broke free. Perhaps her guardian angel 
helped her escape. Lest anyone should mistake me for an angel, I will admit that 
one day I hope to be as good as she; I believe she forgave you within the first 
twenty-four hours of her new life for the about four years of her previous 
"life," while I still wrestle with the part of me that hopes that one day you 
will burn in Hell.
It's not clear yet whether she'll remain here or whether I'll find 
her a loving home where she can count on more individual attention than I can 
give her, but one thing is certain, this is one bit of stolen "property" who is 
never returning to you. So sue me, prosecute me, plead with the courts that she 
is rightfully yours...I'm convinced this is the best "crime" I've ever 
committed. Hardly anything has pleased me more than the day I stole your dog. I 
need only look into her beautiful brown eyes to know that she'd defend my 
decision with her life. If we have one prayer, it is that you will not replace 
her, and if we have one special day to commemorate together, it is the day I 
stole your dog and the day she stole my 
heart.

Fu's red cell blood count

Michelle and all - the vet just said Fu's red cell blood count is 15. I
know that's pretty low. I wonder if the methimazole he's taking for
hyperthyroidism is causing the anemia? I think at a very frail 19 years,
he's certainly too old for surgical thyroid removal.

Bonnie

Re: HELP! Tsubomi is bulling Ginger -


That's a great idea...

Gloria

On Jan 3, 2006, at 5:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Yes, I think that might help too.

In a message dated 1/3/2006 6:18:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
– I am also thinking it’s a territorial thing as Tsubomi wants to  
claim that the top of the tower is hers – do you think having  
another cat tower will help, too?

Re: Fu's red cell blood count





15 is low, but not deathly low. It depends on how fast it is 
dropping. Kerry's Bandy was down to 17, I think, and is back up to 32 
through a combination of folic acid and some other supplements, and I think he 
was on Epogen for a while. Did you save the post with all her recommendations? I 
have it and can send it to you if you didn't.

I know little about thyroid and nothing about methimazole.

Michelle

In a message dated 1/3/2006 7:35:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Michelle 
  and all - the vet just said Fu's red cell blood count is 15. Iknow that's 
  pretty low. I wonder if the methimazole he's taking forhyperthyroidism is 
  causing the anemia? I think at a very frail 19 years,he's certainly too 
  old for surgical thyroid removal.Bonnie

Re: Bailey is anemic

Me too, Belinda. I hope Bailey starts improving with his eating and with the epogen. I wish I had a better suggestion. I did use immunoregulin withmy CC, but she was not anemic.tonyaJoan Doljan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Here's hoping that Bailey improves. He has always been one of the poster cats on this list.Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All,My little Bailey is now anemic, he started losing weight over the last 2 months and his count was 22 or 23 about 2 weeks ago and yesterday was down to 18.We are not positive this is exactly accurate because getting bloodfrom him is extremely difficult and
yesterday we were only able to getabout 1/2 a vial. His gums are getting pale though and he is sleepingalot and not eating very good. My vet is ordering epogen and we aregoing to be starting him on that. One thing I forgot to ask her is ifit is non-regenerative, will do that today. His bloodwork other thanthat was pretty good, although there was one other thing that was offand I will get copies faxed to me so I can see what that was. He hadxrays a week ago Monday and everything there looked OK.Bailey is 10 years old and has been positive since 5 months of age.Last year he developed pretty bad stomastisis and after tryingeverything under the sun (antibiotics, acupunture, chinese herbs) wefinally pulled all but his canines and tiny teeth in between them.This seemed to take care of the problem until within the lat couple ofmonths. I noticed he wasn't eating as good and that's when we didthis last blood work and found the
anemia and that his mouth wasinflamed again. He has been on doxy and busperone and I added antirobe the last couple of days with the vets OK, and his mouth looks nice and healed but his gums are pretty pale. I syringe fed him for a few days and he is eating a bit on his own. If he doesn't pick up his eating today it will be back to syringing again which he really hates.He is on raw which he loves and got up to 11 pounds, but his weightnow is at 8lbs 10oz, so in the last 2 monts he has lost over 2 poundsand a pound of that was in the last 2 weeks.Any suggestions I can bring to my vet?? She is very good about tryingthings I suggest. I seem to remember someone from this list saidthey were having luck with immunoregalan (was that you Kerry?). Has anyone used epogen and immunoregalan together?? I asked my vet about immunoregalan and she said she thought the epogen would be better to try, anyone have any comments about
that???Thanks for any ideas or suggestions I can pass on to my vet, and hopeeveryones furkids are doing well!! :)-- BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design)http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites)http://bmk.bemikitties.com

Re: Need your help with Stretch

May,

Thank you for the information.  I am sorry that
Maurice had to be put down.  Stretch is not looking
too well.  We force fed her tonight and she did great
with that, but her breathing is still somewhat
labored.  I will keep you posted.

:)
Wendy

P.S.  You must not be too far from me; Mesquite is
just up the road.

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Wendy,
 My approx 8mth old boy, maurice recently had to be
 put down he had
 similar symptoms.
 He developed fluid in  outside of his lungs. He was
 approx. 2mths when
 we found him on a track while kids were at track
 practice.
 He was tested around july  found to have FELV +. He
 had done well until
 about 3wks ago, started throwing up  breathing like
 retractions in his
 abdomen.
 I took him to another vet for 2nd opinion since the
 1st one told me he
 had fluid in lungs when he felt was from the FELV
 and could not do
 anything else for him.
 He had been sleeping a lot last 3wks and not his
 usually self. The 2nd
 opinion vet in mesquite texas told me she felt he
 had thymus ca which was
 causing the fluid in his lungs. She could put his
 under to drawn off the
 fluid  could not guarantee that he would wake up.
 Afterward if he made
 it he would need chemo.
 I did not want to put him thru all of that so
 decided to let them put him
 down.
 
 hope infor helps and hope your kitty gets better.
 
 may
 
 On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 08:04:50 -0800 (PST) wendy
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 writes:
  Hi guys,
  
  I don't know if you remember me saying that my
 nephew,
  who turned 11 in Nov., came to live with us in
 May,
  and we took in his three kitties that his mom just
  left at their house when they moved out.  Well,
 one of
  his kitties, Stretch, started breathing funny
  yesterday evening.  You could put your ear to her
  stomach and hear almost like a loud heartbeat off
 and
  on; like something squishy moving around in her
  stomach.  We also noticed that Stretch has lost
 some
  weight and hasn't been standing so strong as we
 are
  used to seeing her.  She's not big, but has always
  seemed kind of muscular.  I guess these kinds of
  changes that are slow and gradual you don't notice
  right away, and we finally put it all together
  yesterday on the way to the vet.  Luckily, the vet
 was
  still there and said that either Stretch has fluid
 in
  her chest or some other part of her body, or the
 lymph
  node in her stomach (?) has enlarged and is
 putting
  pressure on her heart/lungs.  (I might not be
  remembering all this exactly).  He said she might
 have
  pneumonia or it could be symptoms of FIP or FeLV. 
 I
  don't think it's FeLV as I have never heard anyone
  talk about these symptoms, but I read up on FIP in
 my
  cat books last night and one of the symptoms is
 fluid
  in the body.  The vet gave her a dex shot and put
 her
  on Baytril and said to wait and see if she
 responds to
  the medicine in a couple of days.  He also said we
  will want to test her in a couple of days for
  FIP/FeLV.  Stretch and her sister, Winnie, were
 found
  by my sister at Trader's Village in Dallas on a
 trash
  can lid at like 3/4 weeks, maybe younger, and my
  sister bottle fed them until they were old enough
 to
  eat.  (That's why it was so hard for me to believe
  that she just left them in the house; she has
 always
  loved animals).  So considering where and how they
  were found, it's possible they could have been
 exposed
  or born with FIP or FeLV.  
  
  My questions are these: 1) Has anyone here ever
 heard
  of these symptoms? 2) Does anyone have any advice
 for
  us?
  
  Thanks guys.  My nephew and I really appreciate
 your
  time and suggestions.
  :)
  Wendy
  
  
  
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RE: Pit Bulls

Good to see you Kat!tonya"Doljan, Joan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Thanks-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of KatSent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 10:15 AMTo: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'Subject: Re: Pit BullsJoan,Here it is - Take the test and see if you can pick out the pit bull out of this  page of pictures. It's amazing how many other breeds look similar.  http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.htmlKat (Mew Jersey)On Tue, 3 Jan 2006, Doljan, Joan wrote: Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 08:43:56 -0500 From: "Doljan, Joan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To:
 "'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'"  Subject: Pit Bulls Does anyone still have the email that had all the dog pictures and you  had to guess the pit bull? Thanks, Joan

Re: Need your help with Stretch

Hi Michelle,

Thank you for the info.  I am going to give another
day or two to see how things go before taking Stretch
back to the doc.  Frankly, we are tapped out on money.
 We are not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination,
and after spending hundreds of dollars trying to save
Cricket, and with Christmas just passed, we are a bit
broke.  I had to put the $85 visit to the vet
yesterday on a credit card that didn't have $85
dollars on it.  I will do all I can for Stretch, but
if it's cancer, I am not going to draw it out.  We
just can't afford the treatments.  I feel so
frustrated right now.  I don't want Stretch to go
through this.  I don't want my nephew to go through
losing his cat; he's been through so much as it is. 
And my attitude isn't it's normal hopeful self after
losing Cricket.  I feel it's too soon after Cricket; I
don't think I can go through this again.  I am praying
for a miracle right now.  If Stretch can just pull
through this, and give us a little time, we will be
better able to afford treatments in six months.  I
hope that some of you understand being in this place. 
How do you guys afford expensive treatments when you
just don't have the money?

Thanks,
Wendy





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Re: anemia

Probably it would be bad for the kidneys?tGloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Hmmm - I'm wondering why PetTinic would be a problem..GloriaOn Jan 3, 2006, at 9:42 AM, BONNIE J KALMBACH wrote: I'm wondering what to do about my fragile 19 year-old Fu. He is so anemic he can barely walk. He is not felv positive. The vet said  his red cell blood count is affected by the pred we give him to keep his intestinal cancer in remission and the fluids he need for hyperthyroid related/probably kidney disease. The vet worried about reactions or consequences of epogen or  petinnic. I have given him some chicken liver. I am worried about him making it a few more daays.
 Bonnie

Re: Need your help with Stretch


Wendy,
I'm sorry to hear about Stretch losing weight and her breathing 
difficulties. Did your vet take any xrays? Did I understand you to say 
he thinks it's either fluid on her chest, OR an enlarged lymph node? I'm 
no vet, but they seem like two very different things to me. I guess the 
dex shot was to help with possible inflammation and he threw Baytril at 
it in case an antibiotic might help. I don't mean to disparage your vet, 
and maybe he's working this way for financial reasons, but he's not much 
of a diagnostician from what you describe. How can you treat her 
condition, when you don't know what it is? I think Michelle is right, 
you should ask for a referral to an internist and find out what's going 
on. I certainly pray it's not FIP, I have no personal experience with 
FIP, but from what I have heard, it scares the hell out of me. If her 
breathing doesn't improve dramatically, and very soon, you might need to 
get her to a vet that can drain the fluid, (if that's what it is) asap. 
I would be afraid of alarming you with all this, but I'm sure you're 
already very alarmed. I'm praying that Stretch responds to the steroid 
shot and/or the antibiotics and has a complete turn around.

You and your family are in my thoughts,
Nina

wendy wrote:


Hi guys,

I don't know if you remember me saying that my nephew,
who turned 11 in Nov., came to live with us in May,
and we took in his three kitties that his mom just
left at their house when they moved out.  Well, one of
his kitties, Stretch, started breathing funny
yesterday evening.  You could put your ear to her
stomach and hear almost like a loud heartbeat off and
on; like something squishy moving around in her
stomach.  We also noticed that Stretch has lost some
weight and hasn't been standing so strong as we are
used to seeing her.  She's not big, but has always
seemed kind of muscular.  I guess these kinds of
changes that are slow and gradual you don't notice
right away, and we finally put it all together
yesterday on the way to the vet.  Luckily, the vet was
still there and said that either Stretch has fluid in
her chest or some other part of her body, or the lymph
node in her stomach (?) has enlarged and is putting
pressure on her heart/lungs.  (I might not be
remembering all this exactly).  He said she might have
pneumonia or it could be symptoms of FIP or FeLV.  I
don't think it's FeLV as I have never heard anyone
talk about these symptoms, but I read up on FIP in my
cat books last night and one of the symptoms is fluid
in the body.  The vet gave her a dex shot and put her
on Baytril and said to wait and see if she responds to
the medicine in a couple of days.  He also said we
will want to test her in a couple of days for
FIP/FeLV.  Stretch and her sister, Winnie, were found
by my sister at Trader's Village in Dallas on a trash
can lid at like 3/4 weeks, maybe younger, and my
sister bottle fed them until they were old enough to
eat.  (That's why it was so hard for me to believe
that she just left them in the house; she has always
loved animals).  So considering where and how they
were found, it's possible they could have been exposed
or born with FIP or FeLV.  


My questions are these: 1) Has anyone here ever heard
of these symptoms? 2) Does anyone have any advice for
us?

Thanks guys.  My nephew and I really appreciate your
time and suggestions.
:)
Wendy



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Re: Need your help with Stretch

2006-01-03 Thread Marylyn

Ask Stretch what she wants.  I have not followed this line but I have a 
beautiful cat, Kitty,  who has cancer.  We determined that for sure in Feb. 
and she made it plain to me that she did not want the treatments offered.  I 
asked some animal communicator friends I meet with regularly to talk to her 
and ask her what she wanted.  She was very plain spoken about what she 
wanted and did not want.  I have made every effort to honor her wishes (they 
are the same I would have in her position).  A month ago I had the 
misopportunity to have her x rayed and the cancer has spread.  In Feb. we 
were (we thought) looking at a very few good months.  Kitty is still doing 
wonderfully.  I am enjoying every minute I have with her.  This is to say 
that all the treatments we sometimes inflict in the name of love and 
kindness and whatever may not be what the lovely being wants.  Ask yourself 
what you would want.  My very wish vet put it in terms of would you want to 
be miserable for 6 months to live a total of 7 months.or would 
you rather take the month or two you have and feel good  I hope your 
little one has much more time.  Kitty obviously does.  Perhaps the goals 
should be to determine what she wants (she really should have something to 
say about this) and  to provide her with a comfortable, loving life---no 
matter how long or short it is.


Please know that I could and would have afforded any treatment Kitty needed 
and wanted and my vet knows this.  Sometimes true love means choosing not to 
do something or choosing not to do what convention says demonstrates love.


- Original Message - 
From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: Need your help with Stretch



Hi Michelle,

Thank you for the info.  I am going to give another
day or two to see how things go before taking Stretch
back to the doc.  Frankly, we are tapped out on money.
We are not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination,
and after spending hundreds of dollars trying to save
Cricket, and with Christmas just passed, we are a bit
broke.  I had to put the $85 visit to the vet
yesterday on a credit card that didn't have $85
dollars on it.  I will do all I can for Stretch, but
if it's cancer, I am not going to draw it out.  We
just can't afford the treatments.  I feel so
frustrated right now.  I don't want Stretch to go
through this.  I don't want my nephew to go through
losing his cat; he's been through so much as it is.
And my attitude isn't it's normal hopeful self after
losing Cricket.  I feel it's too soon after Cricket; I
don't think I can go through this again.  I am praying
for a miracle right now.  If Stretch can just pull
through this, and give us a little time, we will be
better able to afford treatments in six months.  I
hope that some of you understand being in this place.
How do you guys afford expensive treatments when you
just don't have the money?

Thanks,
Wendy





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Re: Need your help with Stretch

I wrote my reply to you before I got this one. I understand all to well 
the hardship of money concerns and vet care. I hate it when money is a 
factor, but sometimes it is. Having the fluid drained, (if that's what's 
going on), will make Stretch more comfortable and it's possible that it 
won't accumulate again. I'm very sorry sweetie. I know what you mean 
about not thinking you can take any more pain. You've got such a big 
heart, you can handle this, I'm just sorry you have to. Keep a close eye 
on Stretch, do the best you can for him under the circumstances. 
Remember, sometimes even with all the money in the world, we can't help 
them recover. Sometimes the best thing for all concerned is to love 
them, cherish the moments we have and help them transition before they 
suffer too much.

Praying for a miracle too,
Nina

wendy wrote:


Hi Michelle,

Thank you for the info.  I am going to give another
day or two to see how things go before taking Stretch
back to the doc.  Frankly, we are tapped out on money.
We are not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination,
and after spending hundreds of dollars trying to save
Cricket, and with Christmas just passed, we are a bit
broke.  I had to put the $85 visit to the vet
yesterday on a credit card that didn't have $85
dollars on it.  I will do all I can for Stretch, but
if it's cancer, I am not going to draw it out.  We
just can't afford the treatments.  I feel so
frustrated right now.  I don't want Stretch to go
through this.  I don't want my nephew to go through
losing his cat; he's been through so much as it is. 
And my attitude isn't it's normal hopeful self after

losing Cricket.  I feel it's too soon after Cricket; I
don't think I can go through this again.  I am praying
for a miracle right now.  If Stretch can just pull
through this, and give us a little time, we will be
better able to afford treatments in six months.  I
hope that some of you understand being in this place. 
How do you guys afford expensive treatments when you

just don't have the money?

Thanks,
Wendy





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Re: Fu's red cell blood count

Could you please send me Kerry's post?

Thanks very much,
Bonnie

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- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2006 7:22 pm
Subject: Re: Fu's red cell blood count
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 15  is low, but not deathly low.  It depends on how fast it is  
 dropping.  
 Kerry's Bandy was down to 17, I think, and is back up to 32  
 through a 
 combination of folic acid and some other supplements, and I think 
 he  was on Epogen for 
 a while. Did you save the post with all her recommendations? I  
 have it and 
 can send it to you if you didn't.

 I know little about thyroid and nothing about methimazole.

 Michelle

 In a message dated 1/3/2006 7:35:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Michelle  and all - the vet just said Fu's red cell blood count is 
 15. I
 know that's  pretty low. I wonder if the methimazole he's taking for
 hyperthyroidism is  causing the anemia? I think at a very frail 19 
 years,he's certainly too  old for surgical thyroid removal.

 Bonnie

Re: Fu's red cell blood count

2006-01-03 Thread PEC2851




Bonnie~
The anemia may be a result of the methimazole. (Check out www.vetinfo.com/cthyroidtreat.html).
How long has Fu been on the methimazole?
I agree, 19 is a risky age for the surgery.
Another side effect from methimazole use is damage to the kidneys...
It's so hard when our babies get on in years. Your damned if you do, and 
damned if you don't.
My Felix, who suffered IBD was diagnosed with CRF at 17. After "fighting" 
with him with meds and special "prescription diet", I decided to just give him 
subq fluids and homeopathic supplements, and let him eat what ever he 
wanted
Dear boy, lived another 2 and 1/2 years.
Best wishes for Fu and you.
Patti

Kerry's Bandy anemia post 1

---BeginMessage---
Hi, I have read your post and thought I would send you the info on what I am doing for Bandy who is Felv and FIV+. He has anemia due to the Felv.. I am giving him Folic acid with every meal...I sprinkle it on his food so it is really hard to tell how much he is getting..I bought the Soloray 800mcg. at the health food store.. I also give him something similiar to pet tinic once a day with his interferon..He has been on interferon since July daily...Some days I give him an extra dose of the pet tinic supplement..He gets Co Q 10 once a day, and some other immune stimulants. He receives some omega 3, 6 and 9 fatty acids in salmon oil. His PCV was 27 and weight 7.1 # in Oct. His PCV was 32 and weight 8.2 # in Dec.. We were really pleased with the increase...I don't really know what is working.. He also had procrit injections back in July and Aug. but we stopped
them late in Aug..due to the possibility of him creating antibodies to it...We were going to hold off on that until later if we need it again... I have researched all the supplements that I think might benefit Bandy with his condition...So I do sorta alternate some of them as we can't give them everything.. I would suggest the interferon. Also, the omega interferon is suppose to be good for anemia...We may try that if Bandy's conditon (PCV) goes down.. If I can be of any help, please don't hesitate to let me know.. Hope your kitty is doing well today. Kerry and Bandy
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Hi everyone, Hope you all had a wonderful Christmas and your kitties are doing good. Bandy's last blood work was in Oct..PCV 27 and weight 7.1#..so week before Christmas it was 32 and weight was 8.2#...His vet couldn't believe it...and I was a little nervous about having this done...I do go by his nose, too...and it is still very pink...When his PCV got down to 20, his nose was almost white...so I keep check on the pads, nose and ears.. I sprinkle on all his meals...some of an 800 mcg. pill of folic acid...I buy the Solaray brand at the health food store...I am giving him Co Q 10 once daily..He gets some pet tince supplement mixed with his interferon daily...and on occasion I give him an extra 1cc dose of it...I do give him bovine colostrum on all food, too..I also have some other immune stimulants that I got from onlynaturalpet.com.. all 3 of the mushrooms are in it along with green tea and Vit. E..I add omega 3, 6 and 9 fatty
acids in salmon oil to 1 meal a day..Some other supplements I sorta rotate cause I can't give him all of it at once...I just try to make sure he eats well and so far he still is...He like dry food though and that makes it hard sometimes to get all his supplements in him...I just let him eat though.. If I hadn't had all these tests run and a bone marrow biopsy, I wouldn't believe any of it to be true...I still don't understand all the retic counts and all that...but they told me the anemia would be his worst enemy.. Anyway, if I think of anything else, I will post that as well.. Our thoughts and prayers are with you and your kitties... Happy New Year! Kerry and Bandy
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Re: Need your help with Stretch

I know. When Simon needed to go into the hospital, they would not admit him without me paying half the estimate, and there was not enough room on our credit card for it. Luckily my mom was able and willing to give me her credit card number for it. It was very scary feeling, though, until she did. I wanted to shoot the damn receptionist in the head, me standing there with my sick baby and her saying if I did not have a credit card to put it on they would not even see him. What about someone who had no relative with a working credit card they were willing to lend?

If it is lymphoma, I am not sure there is anything that can make him go 6 months without chemo. But the vet who told me about the steroid combo I am always recommending (1/2 cc dexamethasone and 1/2 depomedrol, given periodically when they go downhill) said that she had some cats with lymphoma go 6 months on these shots alone, with good quality of life. If nothing else seems to help, you might want to try this. Did the dex shot help at all? If it did, you might want to try the combo shot. It is not expensive, though you will probably need to go to the vet to get it.The shots can be given sub-q, but most vets will not give clients the shots to take home.

But it might not be lymphoma.

Michelle

In a message dated 1/3/2006 10:58:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi Michelle,Thank you for the info. I am going to give anotherday or two to see how things go before taking Stretchback to the doc. Frankly, we are tapped out on money. We are not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination,and after spending hundreds of dollars trying to saveCricket, and with Christmas just passed, we are a bitbroke. I had to put the $85 visit to the vetyesterday on a credit card that didn't have $85dollars on it. I will do all I can for Stretch, butif it's cancer, I am not going to draw it out. Wejust can't afford the treatments. I feel sofrustrated right now. I don't want Stretch to gothrough this. I don't want my nephew to go throughlosing his cat; he's been through so much as it is. And my attitude isn't it's normal hopeful self afterlosing Cricket. I feel it's too soon after Cricket; Idon't think I can go through this again. I am prayingfor a miracle right now. If Stretch can just pullthrough this, and give us a little time, we will bebetter able to afford treatments in six months. Ihope that some of you understand being in this place. How do you guys afford expensive treatments when youjust don't have the money?Thanks,Wendy

Re: Bailey is anemic


   Hi All,
  Bailey will be getting epogen tomorrow if it comes in, I ordered it 
from Fred Meyer and it should be here tomorrow.  He will get 400 units 
3x's a week and then check his count again.  He is eating a bit more 
today though still not enough and really hating the meds.  He is so 
sensitive, I'm really worried about giving him the meds but he has to 
have them.  I know this is part of the reason he won't eat, he is 
pouting because I keep putting stuff into him.


He has very few immature cells and my vet say's his bone marrow is 
trying to makes cells but it is just not enough.  I asked if the epogen 
would hurt him if he is still regenerating cells, she said no and she 
thinks any cat as anemic as he is could benefit from epogen.


So positive thoughts this will pull him out of it really, really 
appreciated   :)


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PS.  His mouth is nicely healed, gums are just too pale.

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Re: Bailey is anemic



Belinda, sending positive thoughts. Might it be useful to try the folic acid that seems to help Bandy so much? I have no idea what the cause of Bandy's anemia was or if it was nonregenerative, but I was very impressed by his progress.
Michelle

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   Michelle,
 Thank you for finding Kerry's post's, I'm going to print them out and 
take them to my vet to look over, Bailey gets some of the stuff already 
(coq-10, omega oils) because I put it in his food, but some of the other 
stuff I will get also.  I just have to be careful how much stuff I put 
in his food or he won't eat   :)


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Yes, I know that dilemma all too well. 
Prayers and warm thoughts,
Michelle

In a message dated 1/4/2006 12:02:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Michelle, Thank you for finding Kerry's post's, I'm going to print them out and take them to my vet to look over, Bailey gets some of the stuff already (coq-10, omega oils) because I put it in his food, but some of the other stuff I will get also. I just have to be careful how much stuff I put in his food or he won't eat :)

Re: Bailey is anemic

Yes the folic acid is one of the things I am going to add.  I have to 
order it, have some other stuff coming also, my kitchen cabinet is full 
of all kinds of stuff.


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Re: Bailey is anemic

I don't have suggestions to add, I just wanted you to know that I'm 
sending healing energy for Bailey's recovery and calming strength to see 
you through.

Blessings to you both,
Nina

Belinda Sauro wrote:


   Hi All,
  Bailey will be getting epogen tomorrow if it comes in, I ordered it 
from Fred Meyer and it should be here tomorrow.  He will get 400 units 
3x's a week and then check his count again.  He is eating a bit more 
today though still not enough and really hating the meds.  He is so 
sensitive, I'm really worried about giving him the meds but he has to 
have them.  I know this is part of the reason he won't eat, he is 
pouting because I keep putting stuff into him.


He has very few immature cells and my vet say's his bone marrow is 
trying to makes cells but it is just not enough.  I asked if the 
epogen would hurt him if he is still regenerating cells, she said no 
and she thinks any cat as anemic as he is could benefit from epogen.


So positive thoughts this will pull him out of it really, really 
appreciated   :)

Re: Bailey is anemic

2006-01-03 Thread PEC2851




Belinda~
Sending positive healing vibes for your Bailey!!!
( Several years ago, I took home one of my favorite feral girls, when she 
was diagnosed terminal, and no one could treat her at shelter. I found a 
fantastic vet (who wasn't "afraid" of a feral cat), and we treated her with 
EpogenShe did quite well with it - I pray Bailey has the same positive 
results!)
Hugs,
Patti

Re: Need your help with Stretch

2006-01-03 Thread PEC2851




Wendy~
My thoughts and prayers are with you and Stretch.
I am so sorry that you and your nephew are faced with this.
And, I understand about the financial situation...
Years ago, I never had to worry. I "cashed out" my entire 401K plan 
when my first Rottie was diagnosed with AIHA.
I've been fortunate to have worked at vets and have connections with the 
shelter...
But, now I am "retired" and living on SSDI, and I understand all too 
well.
I too am praying for a miracle for dear Stretch...
Hugs,
Patti

Re: Need your help with Stretch

Wendy,I am so sorry to hear about Stretch. Most of the time I have heard people discuss these kinds of symptoms it has not been good news. You do what you can, and that's all you can do. It is hard to accept, but most of ushave been where you are. Sometimes youspend thousands and are able to buy some more time, sometimes you spend thousands and can't. And the problem is you can never 'know' for sure if treatments are going to help or not. Especially if you're talking about lymphoma.I have been in situations that I truly felt I was putting my cat through too much to try to save him when it was beyond hope, and had them turn around. One of my cats my vetinsisted was at death's door lived for many years after his illness. Otherswho had a good prognosis I have lost. You just never know.You just have to do the best you can,
and it's very hard not knowing what to do and it's hard to feel like money isgoverning your decisions. But money is a part of it. There's no way around that.I am so sorry you are going through all of this. I will keep you, your nephew and Stretch in my thoughts and prayers.tonyawendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Michelle,Thank you for the info. I am going to give anotherday or two to see how things go before taking Stretchback to the doc. Frankly, we are tapped out on money.We are not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination,and after spending hundreds of dollars trying to saveCricket, and with Christmas just passed, we are a bitbroke. I had to put the $85 visit to the vetyesterday on a credit card that didn't have
$85dollars on it. I will do all I can for Stretch, butif it's cancer, I am not going to draw it out. Wejust can't afford the treatments. I feel sofrustrated right now. I don't want Stretch to gothrough this. I don't want my nephew to go throughlosing his cat; he's been through so much as it is. And my attitude isn't it's normal hopeful self afterlosing Cricket. I feel it's too soon after Cricket; Idon't think I can go through this again. I am prayingfor a miracle right now. If Stretch can just pullthrough this, and give us a little time, we will bebetter able to afford treatments in six months. Ihope that some of you understand being in this place. How do you guys afford expensive treatments when youjust don't have the money?Thanks,Wendy__ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com

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