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Re: :-(

I would like nothing more -- but she would not be happy. She spent
the night inside last night...and she stays inside in winter...but she was an
outdoor cat when she adopted me and decided to live on my front porch and she is
not happy when she has to stay indoors on beautiful days. All the
neighbors will tell you that if she leaves my porch at all - it is only to go
into the yard and she never leaves the property unless I walk over to a
neighbors house and then she follows me.

I'm torn about it but she would be very unhappy as a strictly indoor
cat.

In a message dated 8/18/2006 12:19:26 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I hope
she will be an indoor kitty from now
on.Bonniehttp://grants.library.wisc.edu/organizations/animals.htmlhttp://savingspaldingpets.blogspot.com/http://www.bestfriends.org/nomorehomelesspets/pdf/walkforanimals.pdf-
Original Message -From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Thursday, August 17,
2006 7:42 pmSubject: :-(To:
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I'm very upset right now. I was
walking out to get the mail and my neighbor's mail
(he's out of town) when I heard a lot of yelling and turned
around in time to see a dog going after Mama Kitty - in MY yard
on MY sidewalk. She was wild with fear and well she
should have been. I dropped the mail - it went
everywhere - and started running after that dog screaming
N! Mama climbed up the big oak
more than 8 ft but then she fell and hit the ground
hard and that horrible dog picked her up in his mouth.
She's just a tiny thing. She got away and ran up the
arbor in the back that has to be 10ft tall and I chased that
sorry black dog away. I got her down from the arbor and
she ran to the backyard - terrified. I
just stood with her a moment and talked to her and then she ran to
the back window pawing to get in. I picked her up and
carried that sweet girl inside and she's in here now
with eyes fully dilated. Keeps looking out the
window. With FeVL she does NOT need this kind of stress.
Those sorry neighbors haven't even checked to see if Mama is
ok. I am furious but trying to be calm for her
sake. I don't think she has any broken skin or
broken bones but it is probably too soon to tell if she is
really hurt because she is going on adrenalin. I've a
good mind to say something to them about it. I
could hear the mother yelling 'who let the dog out' but
that doesn't do much for Mama Kitty. Thanks for
letting me rant - I am so upset.

Re: :-(





Thank you, Gina. I think she was more shaken than anything. I 
still worry because I know that it is difficult to find a puncture bite - I've 
checked her carefully and will continue to do so. I worry about 
abscesses. 

She had a verygood appetite last night thoughand late in the 
evening she even felt like playing with her mousy mouse and so I'm hoping that 
everything is ok.


In a message dated 8/18/2006 12:38:49 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Please 
  keep us posted on how Mama Kitty is doing. She's in my 
  prayers.Gina[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  

I'mvery upset right now. I was walking out to get the 
mailand my neighbor's mail(he's out of town)when I heard a 
lot of yelling and turned around in time to see a dog going after Mama Kitty 
- in MY yard on MY sidewalk. She was wild with fear and well she 
should have been. I dropped the mail - it went everywhere - and 
started running after that dog screaming N! 

Mama climbed up the big oak more than 8 ft but then she fell and hit 
the ground hard and thathorrible dogpicked her 
up in his mouth. She's justa tiny thing. She got away and 
ran up the arbor in the back that has to be 10ft tall and I chased that 
sorry blackdog away. I got her down from the arborand she 
ran to the backyard - terrified. 

I just stood with her a moment and talked to her and then she ran to 
the back window pawing to get in. I picked her up andcarried 
that sweet girlinside and she's in here now with eyes fully 
dilated. Keeps looking out the window. With FeVL she does NOT 
need this kind of stress.

Those sorryneighbors haven't even checked to see if Mama is 
ok. I am furious but trying to be calm for her sake. I don't 
think she has any broken skin or broken bones but it is probably too soon to 
tell if she is really hurt because she is going on adrenalin. I've a 
good mind to say something to them about it. I could hear the mother 
yelling 'who let the dog out'  but that doesn't do much for Mama Kitty. 


Thanks for letting me rant - I am so upset. 
  
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Re: Frustrated with Vets in AZ

Dear Karen:

You may want to talk to the vet personally instead. 
The first thing I thought was the receptionist new or
fairly new?  The receptionist could be uninformed!  I
use several vets all the time.  I can spot the new
personnel just by the way they handle me in different
situations.

Actually, at my favorite vet clinic for the longest I
could not stand the desk personnel.  I had to learn to
ignore them because I love the vets themselves!  Now
that the desk personnel got to know me which took a
considerable period of time, they are wonderful!  I
especially can tell when there is new personnel at the
desk there because of their attitude.   

I mostly lurk on this list because of the amount of
rescue work I do.  There is some weeks that I can read
the messages everyday and some weeks I do not have
time to read any!  Excuse me of for asking this
question!  I do not know if you do cat rescue or not? 
Do you know any local volunteers for cat rescue in
your area?  They may know a vet to recommend that will
treat your kitties.I have had customers from the
PETsMART where we use their adoption center call me to
ask me what vet I use for my cats.  I am more then
happy to call them back and refer a vet according to
their cat(s) needs.

I hope you find a vet soon that you will feel
comfortable and secure with treating your cats!

Precious Pets



   

--- kandbz_ mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 As some of you know, I have been looking for a
 good, knowledgeable vet for Angel, who tested
 positive for Felv. Anyway, my sister had to take her
 dog to a vet today (not her usual vet, but they
 agreed to get her dog in pretty quickly).  My sister
 called me after they got home and said she was
 talking to the receptionist about me looking for a
 vet to treat my felv pos. kitten.  Right away, the
 lady told my sister that I need to be careful
 because the disease is so contagious that my other
 two cats can get it just from being in the same room
 as Angel. My sister explained to her that I feed and
 water them all in separate dishes and they don't
 play together or groom each other or anything. The
 receptionist said still, just them all being in the
 same room together can spread it.  

   How frustrating...I am starting to think that I
 may have to take Angel to another state to get her a
 vet who knows something about this disease.
 LOL!! 

   Just had to share with you all...Have a great day!

   Karen
 
   
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Re: popeye is sick

You and Popeye are in my thoughts and prayers.  It's such a difficult 
time when you know they are seriously sick and refuse help.  Having him 
from 4 weeks old, (such a tiny little angel), and the fact that he's 
such a momma's boy in every other respect (than medicating) makes all 
this so hard on you.  A good bit of the time I feel like I'm part cat, 
but when it comes to them making the decision to not allow us to 
intervene in medical problems, well, I have such a hard time accepting 
that.  Sometimes the hardest thing to do is nothing at all, (except love 
them and accept them).  Are you bringing him in to the vet today?  Maybe 
there will be something they can prescribe in an injection that will be 
easier to administer.  If you decide to bring him home with you, ask 
them for some Valium.  I've given it to kitties that are in transition 
and it helps them to relax when they are distressed.  Simon, a feral 
kitty friend of mine was suffering greatly, holding on to life in a body 
that had just plan worn out.   Valium, (just a touch of it), helped him 
to relax enough to let go of the physical and pass peacefully.  I'm so 
sorry that you and Popeye are suffering.  I know from your previous 
posts that you have done your best to make peace with whatever may 
happen, (since you haven't been able to medicate him the way you'd 
hoped).  None of that matters when we come down to what seems to be the 
end of our time with them.  I'm praying that you are wrong, that he will 
bounce back and start to feel better.  We are all here for you and Popeye.

Blessings and love,
Nina

catatonya wrote:

Thank you all for your prayers.  Popeye is wheezing and weak, but he 
still fought me tooth and nail when I tried to get some water, tuna 
water, and fancy feast down him.  I don't think he got enough of any 
to do any good.  He just hates to be medicated so badly that if 
whatever is wrong CAN be fixed through medication I just don't know if 
it's worth it to his quality of life.
 
He's had high blood pressure a long time, and is going blind even on 
medication for that.  I put that med. in a spoonful of fancy feast and 
even that doesn't always work.  He's lost weight and I wonder if he's 
now hyper-t or something.  He's also losing his hearing as well.  He 
has a heart murmur too.
 
Popeye ALWAYS has to be right in my face wherever I am.  He sleeps 
beside me or on top of me. But last night he wouldn't sleep on the bed 
at all and keeps hiding under furniture.  I feel like that means he 
doesn't want to be bothered with a lot of tests, force feeding, med.s, 
etc  :(But then again, even wrapped in a towel he fought 
hard to keep me from feeding him anything or getting any water down 
him.  So I just don't know.  I'm very sad.  I've had Popeye since he 
was about 4 weeks old.  He was at the shelter WITHOUT a mother in 
December.  He's always been a 'woolsucker' from not having his mom 
when he was a baby.

Everybody Cross Your Fingers, Tones And Paws For Sheri!!

Hey Everybody!

We got a nibble for Sheri last night!  A woman called
my voice mail inquiring how urgent was Sheri
situation.  I explained that recently, Sheri's foster
home gave us notice that she had to be out before the
Labor Day weekend.  The foster home shorten the amount
of time they originally given us!  Which means she
would be put back in a cage which is ideally not
something we want to do!  The woman asked if Sheri was
in any threat of being put to sleep which I explained
no.  We were hoping to place Sheri directly from the
foster home to her forever home to minimize her
stress.

The woman talked with me for about an hour.  She has a
FeLV household and she seems to be quite cat suave'! 
We are suppose to meet tonight at the foster home to
meet the prospective owners and to show Sheri.  Sheri
is a little shy!  She will not show well outside of
her regular environment besides her stress will go up!
 So cross your fingers, toes, paws and whatever you
can think of for Sheri that this goes well!

By the way, Sheri is listed on the FeLV adoption board
if you want to see her.

Precious Pets

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Re: :-(





I'm so pleased to hear that Mama is eating and playing and seems to
have escaped injury. I completely understand why you are so upset.
What a terrible thing to have happened. I just want to point out
though, how incredibly lucky you guys are that that dog wasn't a
killer. It could have been far worse as I'm sure you realize. The
fact that the dog had her in his mouth and Mama is still here, tells me
that as awful as the whole thing was, the dog was actually playing. He
probably has no idea of the upset he's caused. As for the
neighbors... There's no sense in alienating them with your anger. I
would try a different tact, (if you are able). Maybe it's because I'm
a dog trainer, maybe it's because I used to be a "dog person", but I
think it might be better to enlist the help of his owners in teaching
him that cats are not to be chased, or treated like toys. It sounds
like they were trying to keep him confined, maybe they'll be more
careful in the future, but I wouldn't count on it. Is this a friendly
dog with people? Does he like you? If they would train him in
obedience, then you could work with him a little bit to get him to
respect you. That way the next time you see him on your property,
you'd have some control. You may not be willing to look at it from
this angle, it's just a suggestion. If training him isn't possible,
then I'd make sure the garden hose is at the ready at all times.
Whenever you see the dog, hose him but good and tell him to stay out of
your territory. 

I understand not wanting to keep Mama confined. I understand the
quality over quantity thing, but you have a dangerous situation at your
house. If this happens again, and you're not so lucky next time, you'd
never be able to forgive yourself. Mama may be more willing to stay in
the house now. I'd try it again. I have a habitat made out of chain
link dog runs and topped with wood and netting on the side of my
house. I have shelves and carpeted poles leading to my bedroom window
and the crawl space beneath the house is open. Is it possible to build
something like that at your house? You said Mama likes to hang out on
your porch, could you screen that in and make it a safe place for her
to be outside?

Hugs to you and Mama Kitty. What an ordeal!
Nina



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  I'mvery upset right now. I was walking out to get the mailand
my neighbor's mail(he's out of town)when I heard a lot of yelling and
turned around in time to see a dog going after Mama Kitty - in MY yard
on MY sidewalk. She was wild with fear and well she should have been.
I dropped the mail - it went everywhere - and started running after
that dog screaming N!
  
  Mama climbed up the big oak more than 8 ft but then she fell and
hit the ground hard and thathorrible dogpicked her
up in his mouth. She's justa tiny thing. She got away and ran up the
arbor in the back that has to be 10ft tall and I chased that sorry
blackdog away. I got her down from the arborand she ran to the
backyard - terrified. 
  
  I just stood with her a moment and talked to her and then she
ran to the back window pawing to get in. I picked her up andcarried
that sweet girlinside and she's in here now with eyes fully dilated.
Keeps looking out the window. With FeVL she does NOT need this kind of
stress.
  
  Those sorryneighbors haven't even checked to see if Mama is
ok. I am furious but trying to be calm for her sake. I don't think
she has any broken skin or broken bones but it is probably too soon to
tell if she is really hurt because she is going on adrenalin. I've a
good mind to say something to them about it. I could hear the mother
yelling 'who let the dog out'  but that doesn't do much for Mama
Kitty. 
  
  Thanks for letting me rant - I am so upset.

Re: Everybody Cross Your Fingers, Tones And Paws For Sheri!!

Prayers and good thoughts that this works out for Sheri and the 
prospective adopter.  It's a good sign that she spent so much time on 
the phone with you.  Let us know what happens,

Nina

Precious Pets, Almost Home wrote:


Hey Everybody!

We got a nibble for Sheri last night!  A woman called
my voice mail inquiring how urgent was Sheri
situation.  I explained that recently, Sheri's foster
home gave us notice that she had to be out before the
Labor Day weekend.  The foster home shorten the amount
of time they originally given us!  Which means she
would be put back in a cage which is ideally not
something we want to do!  The woman asked if Sheri was
in any threat of being put to sleep which I explained
no.  We were hoping to place Sheri directly from the
foster home to her forever home to minimize her
stress.

The woman talked with me for about an hour.  She has a
FeLV household and she seems to be quite cat suave'! 
We are suppose to meet tonight at the foster home to

meet the prospective owners and to show Sheri.  Sheri
is a little shy!  She will not show well outside of
her regular environment besides her stress will go up!
So cross your fingers, toes, paws and whatever you
can think of for Sheri that this goes well!

By the way, Sheri is listed on the FeLV adoption board
if you want to see her.

Precious Pets


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Re: Frustrated with Vets in AZ





Hi Karen,
Ask your vet for a referral to a board certified Internist. All vets
have specialty clinics that they send their patients to when there's a
condition that GP medicine can't deal with. There is a much better
chance that an Internist will be better educated on felv. The
Internist might be able to recommend a GP vet for you too. Precious
Pets is right, receptionists sometimes spout info when they should be
keeping their mouths shut. Make sure you speak directly to a vet and
educate them and the staff about felv whenever possible. I know a lot
of folks on the list have been happy with an ignorant vet that was
compassionate, willing to learn and willing to listen. I'm still
looking for a GP vet that I can trust and count on so I understand your
frustration.
Nina

kandbz_ mom wrote:

  As some of you know, I have been looking for a "good,
knowledgeable" vet for Angel, who tested positive for Felv. Anyway, my
sister had to take her dog to a vet today (not her usual vet, but they
agreed to get her dog in pretty quickly). My sister called me after
they got home and said she was talking to the receptionist about me
looking for a vet to treat my felv pos. kitten. Right away, the lady
told my sister that I need to be careful because the disease is so
contagious that my other two cats can get it just from being in the
same room as Angel. My sister explained to her that I feed and water
them all in separate dishes and they don't play together or groom each
other or anything. The receptionist said still, just them all being in
the same room together can spread it. 
  
  How frustrating...I am starting to think that I may have to take
Angel to another state to get her a vet who knows something about this
disease. LOL!! 
  
  Just had to share with you all...Have a great day!
  
  Karen
   
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Re: popeye is sick

2006-08-18 Thread Barb Moermond

we're with you Tonya, use our strength to help you bothcatatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I worked very late tonight and came home to find my Popeye very lethargic. He would not eat. I am taking him to the vet in the morning, but I think it may be his time. He is the cat who has high blood pressure and is going blind that I can't pill. I think he may have congestive heart failure as he seems to be wheezing when he breathes. I syringed him some water and tuna juice, but I just don't want to put him through going to the emergency vet. I'm going to take him in tomorrow and hope for the best, but be prepared to let him go. :(tonyaBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should
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got Feline interferon!

2006-08-18 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto









Hi, everyone, I got feline interferon from
distributor in UK without a letter from FDA yesterday  I needed to get
it for my Peter whom suspected to have FIP and that was the only treatment that
has a chance of him surviving  anyway,, I couldnt get it soon enough
for my Peter but wanted to let you know.. there is a pretty good chance that
you can get it without letter according to the distributor in UK I spoke to
before I ordered it.. so in case you need to get them, and dont have
time to waste and willing to take a chance,, just remember that you probably
can get them without a letter..and it will take less than a week to get it.. 



Nina, I still need to send back your
intereferon.sorry its been hectic trying to close on a house this
week.. but I will get them out next Monday or tuensday.. will it wrok?

RE: popeye is sick

2006-08-18 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto









Tonya, I will be praying for you and for
Popeye that everything will turn out the best for Popeye











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Barb Moermond
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 8:09
AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: popeye is sick





we're with you Tonya, use our strength to help you both

catatonya
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 



I worked very late tonight and came home to find my Popeye very
lethargic. He would not eat. I am taking him to the vet in the morning,
but I think it may be his time. He is the cat who has high blood pressure
and is going blind that I can't pill. I think he may have congestive
heart failure as he seems to be wheezing when he breathes. I syringed him
some water and tuna juice, but I just don't want to put him through going to
the emergency vet. I'm going to take him in tomorrow and hope for the
best, but be prepared to let him go. :(











tonya






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Re: Frustrated with Vets in AZ

Hi, Nina!

Thanks for that suggestion!  I did not think about
that!  I will try to remember that!  That is a
wonderful suggestion!

Precious Pets



--- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Karen,
 Ask your vet for a referral to a board certified
 Internist.  All vets 
 have specialty clinics that they send their patients
 to when there's a 
 condition that GP medicine can't deal with.  There
 is a much better 
 chance that an Internist will be better educated on
 felv.  The Internist 
 might be able to recommend a GP vet for you too. 
 Precious Pets is 
 right, receptionists sometimes spout info when they
 should be keeping 
 their mouths shut.  Make sure you speak directly to
 a vet and educate 
 them and the staff about felv whenever possible.  I
 know a lot of folks 
 on the list have been happy with an ignorant vet
 that was compassionate, 
 willing to learn and willing to listen.  I'm still
 looking for a GP vet 
 that I can trust and count on so I understand your
 frustration.
 Nina
 
 kandbz_ mom wrote:
 
  As some of you know, I have been looking for a
 good, knowledgeable 
  vet for Angel, who tested positive for Felv.
 Anyway, my sister had to 
  take her dog to a vet today (not her usual vet,
 but they agreed to get 
  her dog in pretty quickly).  My sister called me
 after they got home 
  and said she was talking to the receptionist about
 me looking for a 
  vet to treat my felv pos. kitten.  Right away, the
 lady told my sister 
  that I need to be careful because the disease is
 so contagious that my 
  other two cats can get it just from being in the
 same room as Angel. 
  My sister explained to her that I feed and water
 them all in separate 
  dishes and they don't play together or groom each
 other or anything. 
  The receptionist said still, just them all being
 in the same room 
  together can spread it. 
   
  How frustrating...I am starting to think that I
 may have to take Angel 
  to another state to get her a vet who knows
 something about this 
  disease. LOL!!
   
  Just had to share with you all...Have a great day!
   
  Karen
 
 


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RE: got Feline interferon!

2006-08-18 Thread Doljan, Joan

Title: Message



How did you find the UK 
distributor?

  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo 
  YamamotoSent: Friday, August 18, 2006 10:14 AMTo: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: got Feline 
  interferon!
  
  Hi, everyone, I got 
  feline interferon from distributor in UK without a letter from FDA yesterday  
  I needed to get it for my Peter whom suspected to have FIP and that was the 
  only treatment that has a chance of him surviving  anyway,, I couldnt get it 
  soon enough for my Peter but wanted to let you know.. there is a pretty good 
  chance that you can get it without letter according to the distributor in UK I 
  spoke to before I ordered it.. so in case you need to get them, and dont have 
  time to waste and willing to take a chance,, just remember that you probably 
  can get them without a letter..and it will take less than a week to get it.. 
  
  
  Nina, I still need to 
  send back your intereferon.sorry its been hectic trying to close on a house 
  this week.. but I will get them out next Monday or tuensday.. will it 
  wrok?

Re: :-(

2006-08-18 Thread etrent


Thank you, Nina. Mama Kitty stayed inside last night.
She went out briefly this morning but I convinced her to stay in the
house today while I am at work and she seemed content in her little
nest on the couch.



I have never seen this dog before (although I suspect that it is one I
hear barking all the time) and honestly haven't seen that neighbor
before. The dog was totally out of control. They were
running after it and it was going crazy - headed straight to my house.



I do believe they were trying to keep the dog confined because the
mother was yelling at the son for letting the dog get out. I
never said anything. I noticed that a car in front of their house
had all four doors open for a couple of hours so there were probably
some upsetting things going on at that house and as upset as I was, I
just had to let it go. There is just no way to know what they may
be going through.



I know that they didn't mean any harm and the dog probably didn't mean
any harm - but it could have killed her. Mama Kitty is great
friends with Brittany, the lab next door...and Levi, the dachsie across
the street. They are all pals and they kiss noses and get along
well. I'm sure she wasn't accoustomed to being viewed as a toy
rag doll. I'm hoping that I will be able to use this opportunity
to convince Mama Kitty that she would be safer as an indoor cat.



The screened living area idea is a brilliant one and I will give this
some thought. I think she would be perfectly content with that
arrangement.



hugs right back,

elizabeth





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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: :-(












  
  

I'm so pleased to hear that Mama is eating and playing and seems to
have escaped injury. I completely understand why you are so upset.
What a terrible thing to have happened. I just want to point out
though, how incredibly lucky you guys are that that dog wasn't a
killer. It could have been far worse as I'm sure you realize. The
fact that the dog had her in his mouth and Mama is still here, tells me
that as awful as the whole thing was, the dog was actually playing. He
probably has no idea of the upset he's caused. As for the
neighbors... There's no sense in alienating them with your anger. I
would try a different tact, (if you are able). Maybe it's because I'm
a dog trainer, maybe it's because I used to be a "dog person", but I
think it might be better to enlist the help of his owners in teaching
him that cats are not to be chased, or treated like toys. It sounds
like they were trying to keep him confined, maybe they'll be more
careful in the future, but I wouldn't count on it. Is this a friendly
dog with people? Does he like you? If they would train him in
obedience, then you could work with him a little bit to get him to
respect you. That way the next time you see him on your property,
you'd have some control. You may not be willing to look at it from
this angle, it's just a suggestion. If training him isn't possible,
then I'd make sure the garden hose is at the ready at all times.
Whenever you see the dog, hose him but good and tell him to stay out of
your territory. 



I understand not wanting to keep Mama confined. I understand the
quality over quantity thing, but you have a dangerous situation at your
house. If this happens again, and you're not so lucky next time, you'd
never be able to forgive yourself. Mama may be more willing to stay in
the house now. I'd try it again. I have a habitat made out of chain
link dog runs and topped with wood and netting on the side of my
house. I have shelves and carpeted poles leading to my bedroom window
and the crawl space beneath the house is open. Is it possible to build
something like that at your house? You said Mama likes to hang out on
your porch, could you screen that in and make it a safe place for her
to be outside?



Hugs to you and Mama Kitty. What an ordeal!

Nina







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I'mvery upset right now. I was walking out to get the mailand
my neighbor's mail(he's out of town)when I heard a lot of yelling and
turned around in time to see a dog going after Mama Kitty - in MY yard
on MY sidewalk. She was wild with fear and well she should have been.
I dropped the mail - it went everywhere - and started running after
that dog screaming N!
  


  
Mama climbed up the big oak more than 8 ft but then she fell and
hit the ground hard and thathorrible dogpicked her
up in his mouth. She's justa tiny thing. She got away and ran up the
arbor in the back that has to be 10ft tall and I chased that sorry
blackdog away. I got her down from the arborand she ran to the
backyard - terrified. 

  


  
I just stood with her a moment and talked to her and then she
ran to the back window pawing to get in. I picked her up andcarried
that sweet girlinside and she's in here now with eyes fully dilated.

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2006-08-18 Thread Roxane Baldwin

I'm so very sorry this has happened to you and Mama Kitty. My niece's 15 y/o cat was murdered this spring by2 canines because of irresponsable canine owners. It happened right in front of the family, itwas so fast they could do nothing to stop it. Baxter never ran from a dog in his life and he wasn't going to start that day, it cost him his life.Please give Mama a hug from me and I'm so happy she got away. I hope you can calm yourself and Mama.Roxane,Horton, Iowa 
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Re: Frustrated with Vets in AZ

Hi Nina,The only thing is, the vet I originally took Angel to wanted to euthanize her. I don't think he would be very helpful with finding a specialist. His thoughts were that Angel is a "spreader", so do away with the problem. It saddens me how easily they recommend euthanasia. I am determined, so I won't stop until I find a good vet or specialist! The search is on!! Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Karen,Ask your vet for a referral to a board certified Internist. All vets have specialty clinics that they send their patients to when there's a condition that GP medicine can't deal with. There is a much better chance that an
Internist will be better educated on felv. The Internist might be able to recommend a GP vet for you too. Precious Pets is right, receptionists sometimes spout info when they should be keeping their mouths shut. Make sure you speak directly to a vet and educate them and the staff about felv whenever possible. I know a lot of folks on the list have been happy with an ignorant vet that was compassionate, willing to learn and willing to listen. I'm still looking for a GP vet that I can trust and count on so I understand your frustration.Ninakandbz_ mom wrote:As some of you know, I have been looking for a "good, knowledgeable" vet for Angel, who tested positive for Felv. Anyway, my sister had to take her dog to a vet today (not her usual vet, but they agreed to get her dog in pretty quickly). My sister called me after they got home
and said she was talking to the receptionist about me looking for a vet to treat my felv pos. kitten. Right away, the lady told my sister that I need to be careful because the disease is so contagious that my other two cats can get it just from being in the same room as Angel. My sister explained to her that I feed and water them all in separate dishes and they don't play together or groom each other or anything. The receptionist said still, just them all being in the same room together can spread it. How frustrating...I am starting to think that I may have to take Angel to another state to get her a vet who knows something about this disease. LOL!! Just had to share with you all...Have a great day!Karen Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it
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Hi Precious Pets,At the moment, I am not able to do rescue work...I would LOVE to, once my son is a little older! I like your ideaI will have to contact some rescue groups and see if they can recommend someone. That's a step in the right direction!Thanks,Karen"Precious Pets, Almost Home" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Karen:You may want to talk to the vet personally instead. The first thing I thought was the receptionist new orfairly new? The receptionist could be uninformed! Iuse several vets all the time. I can spot the newpersonnel just by the way they handle me in differentsituations.Actually, at my favorite vet clinic for the longest Icould not stand the desk personnel. I had to
learn toignore them because I love the vets themselves! Nowthat the desk personnel got to know me which took aconsiderable period of time, they are wonderful! Iespecially can tell when there is new personnel at thedesk there because of their attitude. I mostly lurk on this list because of the amount ofrescue work I do. There is some weeks that I can readthe messages everyday and some weeks I do not havetime to read any! Excuse me of for asking thisquestion! I do not know if you do cat rescue or not? Do you know any local volunteers for cat rescue inyour area? They may know a vet to recommend that willtreat your kitties. I have had customers from thePETsMART where we use their adoption center call me toask me what vet I use for my cats. I am more thenhappy to call them back and refer a vet according totheir cat(s) needs.I hope you find a vet soon that you will feelcomfortable and secure with
treating your cats!Precious Pets--- kandbz_ mom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: As some of you know, I have been looking for a "good, knowledgeable" vet for Angel, who tested positive for Felv. Anyway, my sister had to take her dog to a vet today (not her usual vet, but they agreed to get her dog in pretty quickly). My sister called me after they got home and said she was talking to the receptionist about me looking for a vet to treat my felv pos. kitten. Right away, the lady told my sister that I need to be careful because the disease is so contagious that my other two cats can get it just from being in the same room as Angel. My sister explained to her that I feed and water them all in separate dishes and they don't play together or groom each other or anything. The receptionist said still, just them all being in
the same room together can spread it. How frustrating...I am starting to think that I may have to take Angel to another state to get her a vet who knows something about this disease. LOL!! Just had to share with you all...Have a great day! Karen - Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Re: Frustrated with Vets in AZ

I agree with you 100%, Catatonya. After talking to this receptionist lady, my sister was a bit freaked out, so I had to explain to her that Felv is not airborne. What's frustrating is that we know how to treat human leukemia and aids, but have no clue how to treat cats. It seems silly. catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:It's so sad that the vets are so behind the times on this. It makes me so freakin' mad. tkandbz_ mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:As some of you know, I have been looking for a "good, knowledgeable" vet for Angel, who tested positive for Felv. Anyway, my sister had to take her dog to a vet today (not her
usual vet, but they agreed to get her dog in pretty quickly). My sister called me after they got home and said she was talking to the receptionist about me looking for a vet to treat my felv pos. kitten. Right away, the lady told my sister that I need to be careful because the disease is so contagious that my other two cats can get it just from being in the same room as Angel. My sister explained to her that I feed and water them all in separate dishes and they don't play together or groom each other or anything. The receptionist said still, just them all being in the same room together can spread it. How frustrating...I am starting to think that I may have to take Angel to another state to get her a vet who knows something about this disease. LOL!! Just had to share with you all...Have a great day!Karen Stay in the know. Pulse on
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Re: Frustrated with Vets in AZ

2006-08-18 Thread TenHouseCats

preciouspets is, i think, being way too kind and naive. as a human with chronic illnesses, i know very well what a problem front-office people can be with trying to control access to the doc, and how often it turns out that the doc has no idea about whatinformation/lack of it their office staff is giving out. i'm sure that's the case with some vets as well, but doubt that this is the explanation here.


MEDICAL information usually isn't dispensed by the staff, so when one of them is so specific about something, i'm betting (HEAVILY, and i'm not a betting type), that's from the top down, and part of the givens at that practice: FeLV is spread by cats looking at each other across the street, EVERYONE knows thatand, in my never-humble opinion (nina and barb, you do NOT have to jump in and affirm that), when the staff is so misinformed, it's an equally good bet that the vet is not the type to listen to a mere client. 


were you ever able to talk to one of the vets from the feline practitioners list? the idea of an internist is probably a good one, tho i wouldn't have thought of it just because i've never had reason to consult one. 


on the FIV lists, we're gonna be putting together a packet of information to give out to shelters, rescues, individuals with the facts about FIV--theoretically, this'll be available for vets as well, tho i'm less confident that the latter group will be as receptive as the former ones. finding a vet who will listen and learn is the key, but it can be a difficult task. i'm not sure what the answer is other than to call every office and ask what their policy about treating FeLVs is if you get even a remotely positive--or even neutral--response from the office staff, i'd say that'd be a place with potential


i'm just so glad you found us, opinionated folks that we are, and arefighting so hard for your little darling!

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Re: Frustrated with Vets in AZ

2006-08-18 Thread TenHouseCats


and, in reality, there is still a tremendous lack of information and
prejudice out there about HIV/AIDS, despite all the education that's
been going on for more than 20 years now.

i remember an old bumper sticker that said, the only two universals
are hydrogen and stupidity.

when i went to live/work at the sanctuary, i still thought FeLV was
airborne, too, because that's all i'd ever heard clearly i've
proven myself educable. some people choose not to be.
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Re: OT: Feline Acne, Pramoxine HCI shampoo

2006-08-18 Thread felv




I've been scrubbing his chin with Mythic's allergy shampoo, and it's 
looking better. I dabbed some Bactine on it last night after I scrubbed it 
because it was so open and looked painful (the Bactine has a numbing agent in 
it). Scrubbed the feeder too, gonna buy some bleach and do it really good this 
weekend though! He's never had a reaction to the plastic before, but yeah, I've 
heard that too, that plastic causes acne. Hopefully it will clear up, because 
he's IMPOSSIBLE to live with without an auto feeder, he MUST have food, 24/7, or 
there's hell to pay! LOL! If worse comes to worse, I suppose I could wrap the 
bowl part his chin touches with aluminum foil.
Phaewryn

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Re: :-(

2006-08-18 Thread felv




Call animal control, your cat was bitten, if you saw the dog's mouth on 
her. They will take the dog, and quarantine it for rabies. That should make the 
neighbor's think twice about letting their dog run loose! Hell, tell them the 
dog snapped at YOU, if no one saw to deny it, who's gonna know otherwise?

Phaewryn

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Re: :-(

LOL! That sounds like a good idea, but we had some neighbors here who were in a similar situation and they ended up being fined for allowing the cat to run loose. Crazy, huh?! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Call animal control, your cat was bitten, if you saw the dog's mouth on her. They will take the dog, and quarantine it for rabies. That should make the neighbor's think twice about letting their dog run loose! Hell, tell them the dog snapped at YOU, if no one saw to deny it, who's gonna know otherwise?PhaewrynPlease adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html
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Re: Azrael (Nina)

2006-08-18 Thread Leslie

Heeheehee. Yes, Nina, you have pushed it too far. :)

Not for lack of want, but budget/living space/landlord-wise 2 is my cap. And honestly, 2 below the knee and me is a pretty good fit. One day though...one day. :)

I took Satch to the vet today because he's picked up Azrael's cold. I tried my best to keep their air separate, but I guess that I wasn't that good. I washed and wore different outfits, but a small apartment is what it is.

Anyway, I kind of freaked when he started making the same sounds on Wednesday nightthat Az had (the horky cough), even though his energy levels were high, had no fever (which I compulsively started checking), and was still consta-ravenous, but it had taken her so fast. The vet (not my normal, but another in the office) was very nice, he assured me that Satch was doing great and that I'd done the right thing to come in - the wait-and-see approach (oneof my personal favorites) doesn'talways end so well with positive cats, so he put Satch on Clavamox and an herb (um, it's a liquidWestern Herb?or something) to keep it from progressing. He was very confident, and like with theanimals that made me feel better. So we'll see. Satch loves visiting places, so he was happy to meet a new person, even if he got poked in the toosh for the third time in one morning.

This new vet also read my mind and when I asked if it was crazy to contemplate adopting another, he said no, that my odds have got to turn at some point! I was like, you ain't kiddin' mister.

Leslie

Message: 2Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 12:51:18 -0700From: Nina
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: AzraelTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgMessage-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowedOh Leslie you've made my day!This is such wonderful news.Please knowthat your courage is inspirational.I'm so pleased for Trixie, no
matter what, she's going to get a home.Hooray!!Many, many prayersthat she overcomes her URI.You should go visit her and tell her thatshe's going to get a home, either with you or someone else.Tell her to
fight to get well so she can go home!You said these guys...Irecall you talking about one of Azrael's littermate's adoption fallingthrough.I thought that was Trixie.Is there another one?If so, why
don't you increase your odds and adopt them both?(Have I pushed it toofar? :-) )With gratitude and admiration,Nina

Satch is coughing

Oh for God's sake, Satch better be okay.  With situations like this I 
usually stop praying to Spirit and start threatening :).  You did good 
taking him in right away.  It sounds like you met a nice new vet in the 
process and he knows about the 'don't wait and see approach for a pos', 
that's a good sign!  I like that he was encouraging you to adopt another 
too.  Yep, I like his attitude.  Find out what the herb is that he put 
Satchmo on and let us know what it is, we're always looking for benign 
ways to improve immune response, (I assume that's what the herb is 
for?).  How is Satchmo doing now?  Any more coughing?  Are you positive 
it wasn't just a hairball?  Keep us informed,

Nina

Leslie wrote:


Heeheehee.  Yes, Nina, you have pushed it too far.  :)
 
Not for lack of want, but budget/living space/landlord-wise 2 is my 
cap.  And honestly, 2 below the knee and me is a pretty good fit.  One 
day though...one day.  :)
 
I took Satch to the vet today because he's picked up Azrael's cold.  I 
tried my best to keep their air separate, but I guess that I wasn't 
that good.  I washed and wore different outfits, but a small apartment 
is what it is.
 
Anyway, I kind of freaked when he started making the same sounds on 
Wednesday night that Az had (the horky cough), even though his energy 
levels were high, had no fever (which I compulsively started 
checking), and was still consta-ravenous, but it had taken her so 
fast.  The vet (not my normal, but another in the office) was very 
nice, he assured me that Satch was doing great and that I'd done the 
right thing to come in - the wait-and-see approach (one of my personal 
favorites) doesn't always end so well with positive cats, so he put 
Satch on Clavamox and an herb (um, it's a liquidWestern Herb? or 
something) to keep it from progressing.  He was very confident, and 
like with the animals that made me feel better.  So we'll see.  Satch 
loves visiting places, so he was happy to meet a new person, even if 
he got poked in the toosh for the third time in one morning.
 
This new vet also read my mind and when I asked if it was crazy to 
contemplate adopting another, he said no, that my odds have got to 
turn at some point!  I was like, you ain't kiddin' mister.
 
Leslie

Re: OT: Feline Acne, Pramoxine HCI shampoo





I'm glad to hear that Mythic is doing better - bless his dear little 
chin. I'm laughing about the food 24/7...if I let the bowls get too low - 
I get a 22lb hellion pouncing on my tummy in the middle of the night :0) 
Cat's are such wonderful creatures.


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  I've been scrubbing his chin with Mythic's allergy shampoo, and it's 
  looking better. I dabbed some Bactine on it last night after I scrubbed it 
  because it was so open and looked painful (the Bactine has a numbing agent in 
  it). Scrubbed the feeder too, gonna buy some bleach and do it really good this 
  weekend though! He's never had a reaction to the plastic before, but yeah, 
  I've heard that too, that plastic causes acne. Hopefully it will clear up, 
  because he's IMPOSSIBLE to live with without an auto feeder, he MUST have 
  food, 24/7, or there's hell to pay! LOL! If worse comes to worse, I suppose I 
  could wrap the bowl part his chin touches with aluminum foil.
  Phaewryn
  
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  SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat 
  owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial 
  Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 
  The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html 
  Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary 
  Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at 
  GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster  Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's 
  Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it 
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