date:20061009


Hi Guys,
I can't make up my mind about Spencer.  He's been on the dex shots since 
9/7.  I started to half his dose eod on Sat.  It doesn't seemed to have 
had any negative effect.  If it wasn't for the fact that he's all but 
stopped eating, I would think he was on his way to recovery.  He's so 
emaciated now.  He continues to enjoy life, he does things that are not 
at all in line with someone that is dying.  He has decided that the roof 
of our outside habitat is the perfect place to get away from it all and 
somehow he scales the 8 foot fence to climb up there.  The first day he 
did it I helped him down, figuring he wouldn't be able to do it 
himself.  I was wrong.  I haven't seen him do it, but he gets up and 
down on his own.  He's active during the night and his eyes are bright.  
He's not hiding, he's not sleeping excessively, when he sees me approach 
he meows hello to me, if only he would eat!  I've tried assit feeding 
him.  He stresses out and won't swallow.  He acts like he's interested 
in food, sometimes he'll take a couple of bites, then he makes a face 
like the food is his enemy, like it makes his stomach hurt to eat.  It 
doesn't seem like he's not eating because he's preparing to die, it's 
like it hurts to eat, so he won't eat.


Bruce thinks I should leave him alone, that I shouldn't bring him back 
to the vet.  He thinks that I'll only be making the time he has left 
miserable to do so.  I just don't know what to do.  When I ask Spencer 
about going to the vet to see if they can help, I swear I hear him say 
NO!  No more vets!  I don't know if this is wishful thinking on my part, 
but I keep wanting to save him.  We never had a diffinative 
diagnosis...  I hate the idea of him slowly starving to death.  I hate 
the idea of pts before he's ready.  I hate the idea of bringing him to 
the vet and putting him through the poking and proding.  I just don't 
know what to do.


Thanks for listening,
Nina

Re: Another vet visit for Spencer?

2006-10-09 Thread Kelley Saveika

Hi Nina,

You know Spencer best, and I know you will make the right decision for him.

That being said, if Spencer was my cat, I'd take him to the vet. He'll only be poked and prodded for a few minutes. I don't think one vet visit will make all his remaining time on earth miserable. Then again, my vet is so gentle most of the time they don't know what is happening and don't mind it so much. I wish I could give shots without pain!

There are lots and lots of tests I don't particularly want to have as I get older, so I have to make myself.
On 10/9/06, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Guys,I can't make up my mind about Spencer.He's been on the dex shots since9/7.I started to half his dose eod on Sat.It doesn't seemed to have
had any negative effect.If it wasn't for the fact that he's all butstopped eating, I would think he was on his way to recovery.He's soemaciated now.He continues to enjoy life, he does things that are not
at all in line with someone that is dying.He has decided that the roofof our outside habitat is the perfect place to get away from it all andsomehow he scales the 8 foot fence to climb up there.The first day he
did it I helped him down, figuring he wouldn't be able to do ithimself.I was wrong.I haven't seen him do it, but he gets up anddown on his own.He's active during the night and his eyes are bright.He's not hiding, he's not sleeping excessively, when he sees me approach
he meows hello to me, if only he would eat!I've tried assit feedinghim.He stresses out and won't swallow.He acts like he's interestedin food, sometimes he'll take a couple of bites, then he makes a face
like the food is his enemy, like it makes his stomach hurt to eat.Itdoesn't seem like he's not eating because he's preparing to die, it'slike it hurts to eat, so he won't eat.Bruce thinks I should leave him alone, that I shouldn't bring him back
to the vet.He thinks that I'll only be making the time he has leftmiserable to do so.I just don't know what to do.When I ask Spencerabout going to the vet to see if they can help, I swear I hear him say
NO!No more vets!I don't know if this is wishful thinking on my part,but I keep wanting to save him.We never had a diffinativediagnosis...I hate the idea of him slowly starving to death.I hatethe idea of pts before he's ready.I hate the idea of bringing him to
the vet and putting him through the poking and proding.I just don'tknow what to do.Thanks for listening,Nina-- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life!
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Re: Another vet visit for Spencer?

2006-10-09 Thread Marylyn

I can only tell you that when the Royal Princess Kitty Katt's cancers spread 
to the point that we knew treatment would make her miserable the treatments 
stopped...and she very plainly told me and 6 animal communicators 
that she wanted no more vets.  Period.  End of subject.  And I stopped 
traveling with her--she hated traveling.  Quality of life, as defined by the 
cat, is so much more important than length.  Kitty left this world on her 
own.  Her hatred of vets was so great I would not even take her.  I had 
arranged for one to come to the house if she could not leave on her own so I 
would not torture her by putting her in a car.


May you and your family--especially Spencer--have peace.






If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 11:13 AM
Subject: Another vet visit for Spencer?



Hi Guys,
I can't make up my mind about Spencer.  He's been on the dex shots since 
9/7.  I started to half his dose eod on Sat.  It doesn't seemed to have 
had any negative effect.  If it wasn't for the fact that he's all but 
stopped eating, I would think he was on his way to recovery.  He's so 
emaciated now.  He continues to enjoy life, he does things that are not at 
all in line with someone that is dying.  He has decided that the roof of 
our outside habitat is the perfect place to get away from it all and 
somehow he scales the 8 foot fence to climb up there.  The first day he 
did it I helped him down, figuring he wouldn't be able to do it himself. 
I was wrong.  I haven't seen him do it, but he gets up and down on his 
own.  He's active during the night and his eyes are bright.  He's not 
hiding, he's not sleeping excessively, when he sees me approach he meows 
hello to me, if only he would eat!  I've tried assit feeding him.  He 
stresses out and won't swallow.  He acts like he's interested in food, 
sometimes he'll take a couple of bites, then he makes a face like the food 
is his enemy, like it makes his stomach hurt to eat.  It doesn't seem like 
he's not eating because he's preparing to die, it's like it hurts to eat, 
so he won't eat.


Bruce thinks I should leave him alone, that I shouldn't bring him back to 
the vet.  He thinks that I'll only be making the time he has left 
miserable to do so.  I just don't know what to do.  When I ask Spencer 
about going to the vet to see if they can help, I swear I hear him say NO! 
No more vets!  I don't know if this is wishful thinking on my part, but I 
keep wanting to save him.  We never had a diffinative diagnosis...  I hate 
the idea of him slowly starving to death.  I hate the idea of pts before 
he's ready.  I hate the idea of bringing him to the vet and putting him 
through the poking and proding.  I just don't know what to do.


Thanks for listening,
Nina

Re: Another vet visit for Spencer?

2006-10-09 Thread wendy

Hey Nina,

Have you tried the transdermal cyproheptadine to
encourage his appetite?  I am so sorry little Spencer
is not eating well.  Prayers going out to him.

:)
Wendy

--- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Guys,
 I can't make up my mind about Spencer.  He's been on
 the dex shots since 
 9/7.  I started to half his dose eod on Sat.  It
 doesn't seemed to have 
 had any negative effect.  If it wasn't for the fact
 that he's all but 
 stopped eating, I would think he was on his way to
 recovery.  He's so 
 emaciated now.  He continues to enjoy life, he does
 things that are not 
 at all in line with someone that is dying.  He has
 decided that the roof 
 of our outside habitat is the perfect place to get
 away from it all and 
 somehow he scales the 8 foot fence to climb up
 there.  The first day he 
 did it I helped him down, figuring he wouldn't be
 able to do it 
 himself.  I was wrong.  I haven't seen him do it,
 but he gets up and 
 down on his own.  He's active during the night and
 his eyes are bright.  
 He's not hiding, he's not sleeping excessively, when
 he sees me approach 
 he meows hello to me, if only he would eat!  I've
 tried assit feeding 
 him.  He stresses out and won't swallow.  He acts
 like he's interested 
 in food, sometimes he'll take a couple of bites,
 then he makes a face 
 like the food is his enemy, like it makes his
 stomach hurt to eat.  It 
 doesn't seem like he's not eating because he's
 preparing to die, it's 
 like it hurts to eat, so he won't eat.
 
 Bruce thinks I should leave him alone, that I
 shouldn't bring him back 
 to the vet.  He thinks that I'll only be making the
 time he has left 
 miserable to do so.  I just don't know what to do. 
 When I ask Spencer 
 about going to the vet to see if they can help, I
 swear I hear him say 
 NO!  No more vets!  I don't know if this is wishful
 thinking on my part, 
 but I keep wanting to save him.  We never had a
 diffinative 
 diagnosis...  I hate the idea of him slowly starving
 to death.  I hate 
 the idea of pts before he's ready.  I hate the idea
 of bringing him to 
 the vet and putting him through the poking and
 proding.  I just don't 
 know what to do.
 
 Thanks for listening,
 Nina
 
 
 
 


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Re: Another vet visit for Spencer?

I have been using it once a day.  I don't think it's that he doesn't 
have an appetite, I think he's associating stomach upset with eating.  
Thank you for the suggestion and your prayers,

Nina

wendy wrote:


Hey Nina,

Have you tried the transdermal cyproheptadine to
encourage his appetite?  I am so sorry little Spencer
is not eating well.  Prayers going out to him.

:)
Wendy

Re: Another vet visit for Spencer?


Hi Kelley,
Thanks for the vote of confidence.  I wish I felt as certain that I am 
making the right decisions for him.  I just left a not so clear message 
on my vet's voice mail asking for her advice.  I'm leaning towards 
taking him in.  He's going to starve to death if I don't and then I'll 
always wonder if there was something else that could have been done to 
help him through this.  I think I'll call my vet's office back and see 
when the soonest appointment opening is, I can always cancel it if I 
change my mind.  Bless it, I feel as schitzoid as our little Matilda!

Nina

Kelley Saveika wrote:


Hi Nina,
 
You know Spencer best, and I know you will make the right decision for 
him.
 
That being said, if Spencer was my cat, I'd take him to the vet.  
He'll only be poked and prodded for a few minutes.  I don't think one 
vet visit will make all his remaining time on earth miserable.   Then 
again, my vet is so gentle most of the time they don't know what is 
happening and don't mind it so much.  I wish I could give shots 
without pain!
 
There are lots and lots of tests I don't particularly want to have as 
I get older, so I have to make myself.

Re: Another vet visit for Spencer?




I would at least up his dex to what it was at before you cut it eod. 
I might even up it more than that. Have you tried periactin with him? Or reglan 
or pepcid for nausea? I would fool around with all of these things and try to 
get his symptoms under control.

The only thing a vet can do for him absent chemo is to increase his 
steroids or to combine the dex shots with a depo shot, and to prescribe things 
to stimulate appetite and control nausea. If you have those things at home, I 
don't see the point of going to the vet for them. You know the dosages, 
probably. Also, have you tried giving him fluids?

The only reason I would bring him in is 1) if you think the vet might 
increase or add steroids, 2) if you want to try chemo, or 3) if you need the 
meds listed above to control symptoms. I do not see what else a vet would do, 
and your vet would probably just recommend pts.

Michelle

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Hideyo,
 some people on this list have reversed severe anemia in positives 
with a few abdominal injections of acemannan. Have you considered this?

Michelle

Re: Another vet visit for Spencer?

I wouldn't have a problem with the decision if I were sure that what was 
going on with Spencer was indeed terminal.  I can't shake the feeling 
that he has the opportunity to get better.  I don't know if that's 
because of who he is, that he's determined to live every day to the 
fullest, or because he actually does have the chance at recovery.  My 
perceptions could very well be clouded with my desire for him to stay 
with me as well.  I also know that if you ask most children, (Hell, if 
you ask me!), Do you want to go to the doctor?, the answer would be 
NO!  I don't know if the vets would have any treatments to suggest, let 
alone if they would make Spencer miserable.  I only know that if he 
doesn't get some food into him, no matter how good he's acting 
otherwise, he's going to die.  I'm hoping there is some way to help his 
stomach upset, (if that's what's causing him not to eat).  I asked about 
a feeding tube on the message I just left for the vet.  I wouldn't even 
be thinking of that if I didn't believe there was a chance to pull him 
out of this.  I don't know, this guy is already such a miracle.  I 
already thought he was dead that day he went missing.  The sound of the 
clock ticking is thundering in my ears!

Nina

Marylyn wrote:

I can only tell you that when the Royal Princess Kitty Katt's cancers 
spread to the point that we knew treatment would make her miserable 
the treatments stopped...and she very plainly told me and 6 
animal communicators that she wanted no more vets.  Period.  End of 
subject.  And I stopped traveling with her--she hated traveling.  
Quality of life, as defined by the cat, is so much more important than 
length.  Kitty left this world on her own.  Her hatred of vets was so 
great I would not even take her.  I had arranged for one to come to 
the house if she could not leave on her own so I would not torture her 
by putting her in a car.


May you and your family--especially Spencer--have peace.

Re: Another vet visit for Spencer?




Nina, he is not going to get better. If you thought he might, you should 
try chemo, as that is really the only thing with a chance at giving him 
long-term remission. Otherwise, he might if lucky live a few months, but 
cats with lymphoma do not just go on living for years without treatment. 
Steroids do help, but they can not kill the cancer off entirely. If it was 
not lymphoma he has, the steroids would not even be helping as much as they are, 
so I have little doubt that that is what he has.

The vet will not agree with you that he has a chance to pull through 
this. I do not think you will be happy with what the vet says to 
you. I also do not think a feeding tube is a good idea unless you are 
going to do chemo, because he is not going to make it a long time anyway without 
it. I would up the steroids. 

Michelle

Re: Another vet visit for Spencer?

2006-10-09 Thread Leslie Lawther

I know this is a stretch... but could he be eating at a neighbors house? We feed all the neighbors cats... in the neighborhood and at our property. I get told by people all the time What are you feeding those guys! They obviously like it better here than what I feed them!. So... is that a possibility?

Leslie =^..^=
On 10/9/06, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wouldn't have a problem with the decision if I were sure that what wasgoing on with Spencer was indeed terminal.I can't shake the feeling
that he has the opportunity to get better.I don't know if that'sbecause of who he is, that he's determined to live every day to thefullest, or because he actually does have the chance at recovery.Myperceptions could very well be clouded with my desire for him to stay
with me as well.I also know that if you ask most children, (Hell, ifyou ask me!), Do you want to go to the doctor?, the answer would beNO!I don't know if the vets would have any treatments to suggest, let
alone if they would make Spencer miserable.I only know that if hedoesn't get some food into him, no matter how good he's actingotherwise, he's going to die.I'm hoping there is some way to help hisstomach upset, (if that's what's causing him not to eat).I asked about
a feeding tube on the message I just left for the vet.I wouldn't evenbe thinking of that if I didn't believe there was a chance to pull himout of this.I don't know, this guy is already such a miracle.I
already thought he was dead that day he went missing.The sound of theclock ticking is thundering in my ears!NinaMarylyn wrote: I can only tell you that when the Royal Princess Kitty Katt's cancers
 spread to the point that we knew treatment would make her miserable the treatments stopped...and she very plainly told me and 6 animal communicators that she wanted no more vets.Period.End of
 subject.And I stopped traveling with her--she hated traveling. Quality of life, as defined by the cat, is so much more important than length.Kitty left this world on her own.Her hatred of vets was so
 great I would not even take her.I had arranged for one to come to the house if she could not leave on her own so I would not torture her by putting her in a car. May you and your family--especially Spencer--have peace.
-- Leslie =^..^=To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success.
---Ralph Waldo Emerson

Re: Another vet visit for Spencer?

I have given him a couple of doses of Reglan.  I could try using it more 
and see if it makes any difference in his symptoms.  I haven't given him 
Pepcid.  What's Periactin?  I'll go Google it.


I guess in the back of my mind I was hoping the vets would examine him 
and exclaim, Hey!  This cat doesn't have cancer!  Oh, we were so 
wrong!  Here, give him this 2x daily and he'll be all better in no time. 

I know that the dex can increase appetite, but I also read that it can 
cause stomach upset.  And I remember those awful stories from someone on 
the list about their kitty's skin coming off in patches after prolonged 
use.  That's why I started testing how he'd react to lowering the dose.  
If we were wrong about him having lymphoma and the steroid has done it's 
job with controlling whatever inflammation was present, then I'd like to 
wean him off of it.  He used to have pain in his upper abdomen when I'd 
pick him up, that seems to be gone now.  I just don't know Michelle.  I 
know your first suspicions lean toward cancer, mine always veer away 
from it. 

I just went to check on him and his fur is starting to take on that 
dying cat look.  You know, that oily, stiff sort of look.  Talk about 
the roller coaster effect!  I'm going to go out of my mind if I don't 
figure out what is going on with him and make a determination about what 
to do about it. 
Nina



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I would at least up his dex to what it was at before you cut it eod.  
I might even up it more than that. Have you tried periactin with him? 
Or reglan or pepcid for nausea? I would fool around with all of these 
things and try to get his symptoms under control.
 
The only thing a vet can do for him absent chemo is to increase his 
steroids or to combine the dex shots with a depo shot, and to 
prescribe things to stimulate appetite and control nausea. If you have 
those things at home, I don't see the point of going to the vet for 
them. You know the dosages, probably.  Also, have you tried giving him 
fluids?
 
The only reason I would bring him in is 1) if you think the vet might 
increase or add steroids, 2) if you want to try chemo, or 3) if you 
need the meds listed above to control symptoms. I do not see what else 
a vet would do, and your vet would probably just recommend pts.
 
Michelle

RE: Another vet visit for Spencer?

You can get pepcid injectable version so that you won't have to give him
orally.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 11:33 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Another vet visit for Spencer?

I have given him a couple of doses of Reglan.  I could try using it more

and see if it makes any difference in his symptoms.  I haven't given him

Pepcid.  What's Periactin?  I'll go Google it.

I guess in the back of my mind I was hoping the vets would examine him 
and exclaim, Hey!  This cat doesn't have cancer!  Oh, we were so 
wrong!  Here, give him this 2x daily and he'll be all better in no
time. 

I know that the dex can increase appetite, but I also read that it can 
cause stomach upset.  And I remember those awful stories from someone on

the list about their kitty's skin coming off in patches after prolonged 
use.  That's why I started testing how he'd react to lowering the dose.

If we were wrong about him having lymphoma and the steroid has done it's

job with controlling whatever inflammation was present, then I'd like to

wean him off of it.  He used to have pain in his upper abdomen when I'd 
pick him up, that seems to be gone now.  I just don't know Michelle.  I 
know your first suspicions lean toward cancer, mine always veer away 
from it. 

I just went to check on him and his fur is starting to take on that 
dying cat look.  You know, that oily, stiff sort of look.  Talk about 
the roller coaster effect!  I'm going to go out of my mind if I don't 
figure out what is going on with him and make a determination about what

to do about it. 
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I would at least up his dex to what it was at before you cut it eod.  
 I might even up it more than that. Have you tried periactin with him? 
 Or reglan or pepcid for nausea? I would fool around with all of these 
 things and try to get his symptoms under control.

 The only thing a vet can do for him absent chemo is to increase his 
 steroids or to combine the dex shots with a depo shot, and to 
 prescribe things to stimulate appetite and control nausea. If you have

 those things at home, I don't see the point of going to the vet for 
 them. You know the dosages, probably.  Also, have you tried giving him

 fluids?

 The only reason I would bring him in is 1) if you think the vet might 
 increase or add steroids, 2) if you want to try chemo, or 3) if you 
 need the meds listed above to control symptoms. I do not see what else

 a vet would do, and your vet would probably just recommend pts.

 Michelle

Re: Another vet visit for Spencer?

2006-10-09 Thread Leslie


Nina,
Take a breath. Look out the window. Just pause. The next step is right there, your foot is raised to take it, and you're doing amazing ballet in pivoting to all angles before deciding where to put it and that's okay. You have a hunch and a hope and you're looking for support of it. I can imagine myself easily in your shoes - I wear the same indecisive size.


If you are prepared to hear confirmation of what Michelle is saying, and if getting that confirmation will help (if only in the feeling less schizoid sense), then what do you have to lose in going to the vet? She agrees with you (oh happy day!) or you get a confidence vote in that the current course of treatment is still the best, even in light of his progress. You're right, no living creature wants to go to the doctor, so that's not a very reliable test to make this decision on. How stressed does Spence get in going to the vet? If his stress is low to moderate, then what Kelley says makes sense, that discomfort is brief and temporary. If he really freaks, then it doesn't seem worth the risk.You don't want to look back and wonder what if so if getting something ruled out or in is a stronger pull than waiting and seeing, go to your vet.


You're doing good, even if it feels woefully the opposite. :)

Leslie
From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Another vet visit for Spencer?
I have given him a couple of doses of Reglan.I could try using it moreand see if it makes any difference in his symptoms.I haven't given himPepcid.What's Periactin?I'll go Google it.I guess in the back of my mind I was hoping the vets would examine him
and exclaim, Hey!This cat doesn't have cancer!Oh, we were sowrong!Here, give him this 2x daily and he'll be all better in no time.I know that the dex can increase appetite, but I also read that it can
cause stomach upset.And I remember those awful stories from someone onthe list about their kitty's skin coming off in patches after prolongeduse.That's why I started testing how he'd react to lowering the dose.
If we were wrong about him having lymphoma and the steroid has done it'sjob with controlling whatever inflammation was present, then I'd like towean him off of it.He used to have pain in his upper abdomen when I'd
pick him up, that seems to be gone now.I just don't know Michelle.Iknow your first suspicions lean toward cancer, mine always veer awayfrom it.I just went to check on him and his fur is starting to take on that
dying cat look.You know, that oily, stiff sort of look.Talk aboutthe roller coaster effect!I'm going to go out of my mind if I don'tfigure out what is going on with him and make a determination about what
to do about it.Nina

Re: Another vet visit for Spencer?




Periactin is cyproheptadine, which it seems like you are already giving 
him.

You're right-- high doses of steroids can sometimes cause stomach upset. I 
have not seen it, so had not thought of it. Pepcid and/or carafate would 
be what helps with that. I would start giving him 1/2 pepcid once a day 
and also put him on reglan regularly, and also give him fluids. If 
it is nausea those should help. At this point just not having food is 
probably making him feel sick, and being on a lot of steroids on top of no food 
might in fact be giving him an ulcer. You could ask your vet about 
carafate.

I know I jump to lymphoma all the time, but that is also what your vet 
thinks he has, and the fact that he has responded so much to the dex does make 
it more probable. 

I know you are going out of your mind. I have been there, and I ache for 
you. I just could not bear the thought of you bringing him to the vet to ask for 
a feeding tube being convinced he is going to make it, and having to deal with 
the vet acting like you are crazy and recommending pts right away, which is what 
I fear would happen.

Would he really be a nightmare to force-feed? Some cats who hate syringes 
are ok with you putting a gob of food on the back of their tongue, and 
sometimes just getting some food will make them start eating some. Are you 
offering fancy feast and liver shake and sour cream and deli slices, etc.?

I am so sorry the two of you are going through this. 

It is true sometimes about the skin. My cat Buddy after being on 
steroids for about 3 months for either lymphoma or FIP started scratching where 
I had put the needle in for fluids and scratched off a big chunk of skin that 
left a gaping hole that then continued to itch more. we could not get it to heal 
at all and it stayed like that until he died. Some cats do get thin skin 
from months on steroids. But the steroids are also the only thing that 
kept him going for 3 months. And it did not happen to any of my others who were 
on for just as long. I wondered if I gave him an infection or something with a 
needle, as if it would slip out during fluids I would just put it back in. Now I 
change the needle.

Michelle

Re: Another vet visit for Spencer?

Thank you Leslie.  Your description of the indecisive ballet is right 
on!  I'm breathing now.  What you say about making a visit to the vet 
makes sense too.  I think I'm going to take Michelle's advice and start 
Spencer on Pepcid and regular doses of Reglan and see if that helps him 
begin to eat more.  I promised him I wouldn't try assist feeding him 
again, but I may do that too.  I truly don't know what I'd do without 
you guys,

Nina

Leslie wrote:


Nina,
Take a breath.  Look out the window.  Just pause.  The next step is 
right there, your foot is raised to take it, and you're doing amazing 
ballet in pivoting to all angles before deciding where to put it and 
that's okay.  You have a hunch and a hope and you're looking for 
support of it.  I can imagine myself easily in your shoes - I wear the 
same indecisive size.
 
If you are prepared to hear confirmation of what Michelle is saying, 
and if getting that confirmation will help (if only in the feeling 
less schizoid sense), then what do you have to lose in going to the 
vet?  She agrees with you (oh happy day!) or you get a confidence vote 
in that the current course of treatment is still the best, even in 
light of his progress.  You're right, no living creature wants to go 
to the doctor, so that's not a very reliable test to make this 
decision on.  How stressed does Spence get in going to the vet?  If 
his stress is low to moderate, then what Kelley says makes sense, that 
discomfort is brief and temporary.  If he really freaks, then it 
doesn't seem worth the risk.  You don't want to look back and wonder 
what if so if getting something ruled out or in is a stronger pull 
than waiting and seeing, go to your vet.
 
You're doing good, even if it feels woefully the opposite.  :)
 
Leslie

Re: Another vet visit for Spencer?





Nina, if he lets you pill him, he might let you put a gob of baby 
food or A/D on the back of his tongue, and it might be less stressful than 
normal assist feeding. Lucy really hardly minds me doing that at all-- I 
do it with her raw food when she is not feeling well. I just put a gob in like a 
pill and close her mouth and she swallows it. 
Michelle

In a message dated 10/9/2006 2:12:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thank 
  you Leslie. Your description of the indecisive ballet is right 
  on! I'm breathing now. What you say about making a visit to 
  the vet makes sense too. I think I'm going to take Michelle's advice 
  and start Spencer on Pepcid and regular doses of Reglan and see if that 
  helps him begin to eat more. I promised him I wouldn't try assist 
  feeding him again, but I may do that too. I truly don't know what 
  I'd do without you guys,Nina

Re: Another vet visit for Spencer?


My dearest Michelle,
It made my heart contract to think I might have upset you in any way.  
All you've done is been kind enough to point out the obvious with the 
probability of Spencer having lymphoma.  I can't tell you how much 
better your guidance and support has made me feel and how much I 
appreciate all you do for me and all of us on the list.  Just so we're 
clear, I don't in any way think of you as a nay sayer! 

I intend to start Spencer on Pepcid and regular Reglan doses, (2x a 
day?), to see if it helps his stomach upset.  I'll ask my vet about the 
possibility of an ulcer and if she thinks Carafate might help him.  You 
are probably right, I am shaking my head at the thought of a feeding 
tube for someone in Spencer's condition, so I can just imagine what my 
vet's reaction will be.  That's probably why I haven't received a call 
back yet, they already think I'm nuts, this latest voice mail is, I'm 
sure, doing nothing to dissuade them from that supposition.

Much love and thanks,
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Periactin is cyproheptadine, which it seems like you are already 
giving him.
 
You're right-- high doses of steroids can sometimes cause stomach 
upset. I have not seen it, so had not thought of it.  Pepcid and/or 
carafate would be what helps with that.  I would start giving him 1/2 
pepcid once a day and also put him on  reglan regularly, and also give 
him fluids.  If it is nausea those should help.  At this point just 
not having food is probably making him feel sick, and being on a lot 
of steroids on top of no food might in fact be giving him an ulcer. 
You could ask your vet about carafate.
 
I know I jump to lymphoma all the time, but that is also what your vet 
thinks he has, and the fact that he has responded so much to the dex 
does make it more probable. 
 
I know you are going out of your mind. I have been there, and I ache 
for you. I just could not bear the thought of you bringing him to the 
vet to ask for a feeding tube being convinced he is going to make it, 
and having to deal with the vet acting like you are crazy and 
recommending pts right away, which is what I fear would happen.
 
Would he really be a nightmare to force-feed? Some cats who hate 
syringes are ok with  you putting a gob of food on the back of their 
tongue, and sometimes just getting some food will make them start 
eating some. Are you offering fancy feast and liver shake and sour 
cream and deli slices, etc.?
 
I am so sorry the two of you are going through this. 
 
It is true sometimes about the skin.  My cat Buddy after being on 
steroids for about 3 months for either lymphoma or FIP started 
scratching where I had put the needle in for fluids and scratched off 
a big chunk of skin that left a gaping hole that then continued to 
itch more. we could not get it to heal at all and it stayed like that 
until he died.  Some cats do get thin skin from months on steroids.  
But the steroids are also the only thing that kept him going for 3 
months. And it did not happen to any of my others who were on for just 
as long. I wondered if I gave him an infection or something with a 
needle, as if it would slip out during fluids I would just put it back 
in. Now I change the needle.
 
Michelle

Re: Another vet visit for Spencer?

Thanks I'll try assist feeding him that way.  I've got some raw chicken 
thawing.  I thought he might be more receptive to something completely 
different than what I've been offering him.

Blessings to you my dear,
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Nina, if he lets you pill  him, he might let you put a gob of baby 
food or A/D on the back of his tongue, and it might be less stressful 
than normal assist feeding.  Lucy really hardly minds me doing that at 
all-- I do it with her raw food when she is not feeling well. I just 
put a gob in like a pill and close her mouth and she swallows it. 
Michelle

Prayers for my Tsubomi









First, I wanted to thank you all for all your prayers,
advise and encouragement for my Tsubomi  I am staying home with Tsubomi
today as I feel that her final days of her life this time around is approaching
 she is having a bit difficult time breathing and she is very cold
because of her severe anemia  I had thought of getting her another
transfusion, but by this morning, I did not want her to go through what she
went through last time (waiting around at emergency clinic and stayed there for
8 hours)  its extremely difficult to watch her just die.. but I
know that she does not want me to drag her into the car or any stranger coming
to the house  so this is what I decided with Tsubomi  I am going
to stay with her and watch her and hold her so that she can cross the bridge at
her home  I am crying as I type this, but I am trying not to cry in
front of Tsubomi and Ginger as I dont want to upset them..



I am asking you all for another prayers for my belived
Tsubomi so that she can cross the bridge and be transited to her freedom very
peacefully --- any advise as to how I can make her feel more comfortable is
extrememly appreciated  thank you all  Its so nice to have
you around..



Hideyo and Tsubomi

Re: Prayers for my Tsubomi

Oh Hideyo, I'm so sorry! Do you have any Valium in the house? When my 
feral friend Simon was transitioning, I gave him a little bit and it 
seemed to help him relax enough to let go of the physical. I can only 
imagine what you are going through. My thoughts and prayers are with you 
and Tsubomi. If it helps any, I think you have made the right decision 
about not putting her through another transfusion.

Much love,
Nina

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:

First, I wanted to thank you all for all your prayers, advise and 
encouragement for my Tsubomi – I am staying home with Tsubomi today as 
I feel that her final days of her life this time around is approaching 
– she is having a bit difficult time breathing and she is very cold 
because of her severe anemia – I had thought of getting her another 
transfusion, but by this morning, I did not want her to go through 
what she went through last time (waiting around at emergency clinic 
and stayed there for 8 hours) – it’s extremely difficult to watch her 
just die.. but I know that she does not want me to drag her into the 
car or any stranger coming to the house – so this is what I decided 
with Tsubomi – I am going to stay with her and watch her and hold her 
so that she can cross the bridge at her home – I am crying as I type 
this, but I am trying not to cry in front of Tsubomi and Ginger as I 
don’t want to upset them..


I am asking you all for another prayers for my belived Tsubomi so that 
she can cross the bridge and be transited to her freedom very 
peacefully --- any advise as to how I can make her feel more 
comfortable is extrememly appreciated – thank you all – It’s so nice 
to have you around..


Hideyo and Tsubomi

Re: Prayers for my Tsubomi



At 11:35 AM 10/9/2006, you wrote:

You are so brave. It hurts so very much and I am sending allthe best
hopes and thoughts for a gentle journey across the Bridge. I will also
add her name to the Monday night candle ceremony. You are in my thoughts,
and I wish there were more I could do.
Kelly

First, I wanted to
thank you all for all your prayers, advise and encouragement for my
Tsubomi  I am staying home with Tsubomi today as I feel that her final
days of her life this time around is approaching  she is having a bit
difficult time breathing and she is very cold because of her severe
anemia  I had thought of getting her another transfusion, but by this
morning, I did not want her to go through what she went through last time
(waiting around at emergency clinic and stayed there for 8 hours)  its
extremely difficult to watch her just die.. but I know that she does not
want me to drag her into the car or any stranger coming to the house  so
this is what I decided with Tsubomi  I am going to stay with her and
watch her and hold her so that she can cross the bridge at her home  I
am crying as I type this, but I am trying not to cry in front of Tsubomi
and Ginger as I dont want to upset them..

I am asking you all for another prayers for my belived Tsubomi so that
she can cross the bridge and be transited to her freedom very peacefully
--- any advise as to how I can make her feel more comfortable is
extrememly appreciated  thank you all  Its so nice to have you
around..

Hideyo and Tsubomi
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OT: Sneaky ways to feed ferals

2006-10-09 Thread Kelley Saveika

Hi guys,

I am not allowed (by my HOA) to have bowls, etc., on my porch. All pet food dishes must be kept inside. I am allowed to have plants outside.
I have been just pouring the food out directly on my porch, which isn't the best method, but it works. I'm trying to figure out how to give them water. Maybea bowl inside some sort of plant pot? Anyone got an idea? 

I want to fix them up a little nest for winter too..actually one is semi-social and will allow me to pet him, etc if I sit out on the porch for a while. If I can get him to where he will allow me to take him to the vet I will bring him in..he seems to want to come in.


Thanks,

Kelley-- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life!http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese
http://astore.amazon.com/austinsiamese-20

Re: OT: Sneaky ways to feed ferals



At 11:46 AM 10/9/2006, you wrote:
Get a small fake plant,in a pot,,,put that put onto aq bigger bowel
of water, A shallow bowel that is not obvious ...you can also do it with
the food,,,
Kelly 
Hi guys,

I am not allowed (by my HOA) to have bowls, etc., on my porch. All
pet food dishes must be kept inside. I am allowed to have plants
outside.
I have been just pouring the food out directly on my porch, which isn't
the best method, but it works. I'm trying to figure out how to give
them water. Maybe a bowl inside some sort of plant pot?
Anyone got an idea? 
I want to fix them up a little nest for winter too..actually one is
semi-social and will allow me to pet him, etc if I sit out on the porch
for a while. If I can get him to where he will allow me to take him
to the vet I will bring him in..he seems to want to come in. 

Thanks,

Kelley
-- 
Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life!

http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese

http://astore.amazon.com/austinsiamese-20 
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Coughing Satchmo, Mindboggling Medication

2006-10-09 Thread Leslie

Sorry it's taken a few days to get back with you on the specifics, but...well, you'll see.

My vet emailed me back about the herbs in Satch's asthma powder. I'll cut and paste from her email, then include links to Google searches that I did next to the ingredients - all text is hers, but anything within   are my additions. I think that Eastern medecine is fascinating...in part because it all sounds like a kung fu movie, and I like to visualize the minor blue dragon kicking ass in Satch's bloodstream. Click on a few of these, I learned a lot, hopefully you guys will find it interesting:

---
Hello.So how well do you know pin yin names of chinese herbs? It's part Xiao Qing Long Tang 

http://tcm.health-info.org/formulas/singles/Xiao-qing-long-tang.htm 

(minor blue dragon combination) and eight other singular herbs:
Huang Qi 
 seems like this is just astragalus: http://alternativehealing.org/huang_qi.htm
Dong Chong Xia Cao 
http://www.heritage.com.sg/monograph/prod32.htm
Lian Qiao 
 http://alternativehealing.org/lian_qiao.htm
SHeng Jiang 
 this looks like it's ginger root:http://www.herbalists.on.ca/resources/freeman/ZINGIB.html
Shan Yao 
 http://alternativehealing.org/huai_shan.htm
Shan Zhu Yu 
I don't know about the whole invigorating the yang of the loins bit, but: http://www.ibiblio.org/pfaf/cgi-bin/arr_html?Cornus+officinalis

Chen Pi 
 this one has very interesting infounder the Pharmacology section: http://content.nhiondemand.com/moh/media/TCMH1.asp?objID=100823ctype=tcmh

Zi Su Ye 
http://tcm.health-info.org/Herbology.Materia.Medica/zisuye-properties.htm
Hope this helps!

Indeed. 

Leslie

From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Asthma
Hee hee.It's rare that anyone gets away with being vague abouttreatments around here.We're always so anxious to see what anyone elseis trying and if it seems to be working.How wonderful that you've
found a holistic vet that you like.I have one that's about an houraway from me.She's the best vet I've ever found for dealing withreluctant patients, but she isn't that good at all the 'not so common'problems that are always so abundant around my house.She's also very
expensive and hard to get an appointment with.I used to say Brucewould be perfect if only he had a trust fund, now I'm wishing he'd spenthis expensive education in veterinary school as well.Take notes when you talk to your vet :-) ,
N

Tsunade has f leukemia

2006-10-09 Thread Chelsea Bennett

Hi, My name is Chelsea.  In late July a kitten (seemed to be) wandered
into my yard.  After thinking she may go home, putting up posts of found
cat, and checking newspapers for lost cat notices, I found she had been
seen at the nearby church and figured she was dumped there.  After trying
to find a home fer her, I soon fell in love with this sweet kitty and was
wanting a cat since my oldest cat Oliver had passed in Feb due to kidney
problems (he was about 15).  So today Tsunade went to the vet to get her
shots, tests, and get fixed.  I was correct she was a girl and in heat,
she had no microchip, was about 8 months - 1.5 years old, and the test
was a strong possitive for felkine leukemia.  I decided to keep her as
long as I can.  I plan to move in with my boyfriend next year, and he has
a cat of 15 years with kidney problems.  Both these cats would be inside
only cats.  If his cat gets vaccinated against leukemia, he will probably
be safe from the dieases, correct???   also Tsunade had diahrrea as of
last night (not seen previoulsy) and she has always vomitted more than
normal.  The vomit is usually spit, hairs, maybe some grass (she is
inside cat as of now-but will go outside on leash walks)  but sometimes
it is a bunch of undigested food chunks.  So I plan to get lacatone
furball medicine and digest a meal ASAP, but are there other medicines
she should be on???  
thanks, from a dissapointed yet optimistic for 5 + years

Chelsea and Tsunade
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Re: Coughing Satchmo, Mindboggling Medication

2006-10-09 Thread Leslie Lawther

Leslie - so these are the herbs you are using for FeLV or for Satch's asthma? Do you find that these are helping? I know herbs are hard on a cat's system... so I'm really curious how this is working for Satch and how he is accepting them into his food. I'm VERY interested in how this works

Leslie=^..^=
On 10/9/06, Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Sorry it's taken a few days to get back with you on the specifics, but...well, you'll see.

My vet emailed me back about the herbs in Satch's asthma powder. I'll cut and paste from her email, then include links to Google searches that I did next to the ingredients - all text is hers, but anything within   are my additions. I think that Eastern medecine is fascinating...in part because it all sounds like a kung fu movie, and I like to visualize the minor blue dragon kicking ass in Satch's bloodstream. Click on a few of these, I learned a lot, hopefully you guys will find it interesting: 

---
Hello.So how well do you know pin yin names of chinese herbs? It's part Xiao Qing Long Tang 

http://tcm.health-info.org/formulas/singles/Xiao-qing-long-tang.htm
 

(minor blue dragon combination) and eight other singular herbs:
Huang Qi 
 seems like this is just astragalus: http://alternativehealing.org/huang_qi.htm

Dong Chong Xia Cao 
http://www.heritage.com.sg/monograph/prod32.htm
Lian Qiao 
 http://alternativehealing.org/lian_qiao.htm
SHeng Jiang 
 this looks like it's ginger root:http://www.herbalists.on.ca/resources/freeman/ZINGIB.html

Shan Yao 
 http://alternativehealing.org/huai_shan.htm
Shan Zhu Yu 
I don't know about the whole invigorating the yang of the loins bit, but: 
http://www.ibiblio.org/pfaf/cgi-bin/arr_html?Cornus+officinalis 
Chen Pi 
 this one has very interesting infounder the Pharmacology section: 
http://content.nhiondemand.com/moh/media/TCMH1.asp?objID=100823ctype=tcmh 
Zi Su Ye 
http://tcm.health-info.org/Herbology.Materia.Medica/zisuye-properties.htm

Hope this helps!

Indeed. 

Leslie

From: Nina 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Asthma Hee hee.It's rare that anyone gets away with being vague abouttreatments around here.We're always so anxious to see what anyone elseis trying and if it seems to be working.How wonderful that you've
found a holistic vet that you like.I have one that's about an houraway from me.She's the best vet I've ever found for dealing withreluctant patients, but she isn't that good at all the 'not so common'problems that are always so abundant around my house.She's also very 
expensive and hard to get an appointment with.I used to say Brucewould be perfect if only he had a trust fund, now I'm wishing he'd spenthis expensive education in veterinary school as well.Take notes when you talk to your vet :-) , 
N-- Leslie =^..^=To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success.
---Ralph Waldo Emerson

Re: Prayers for my Tsubomi

2006-10-09 Thread Belinda


  Hideyo,
  I'm sorry Tsubomi's time is near, but she will be well and whole 
again on the other side.  I pray her journey is swift and easy.  To make 
her more comfortable while she is leaving, do you have a heating pad or 
hot water bottle you could put under her to help keep her warm?  Not too 
hot of a setting and wrap it in a towel.  The valium may help too.  I 
wish her a peaceful journey and you the strength to see her through.


--

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RE: Another vet visit for Spencer?









Nina  I know that this is a small
percentage but I have a friend whose cat has had lymphoma for over 2 years now 
and she is very healthy now still - she decided not to give any conventional
treatment at all  but give raw meat diet with natural supplement ---and
she has had for two years since diagnosed  I can find out what she
gives to her kitty  its pretty amazing isnt it?











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006
11:20 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Another vet visit for
Spencer?







Nina, he is not going to get better. If
you thought he might, you should try chemo, as that is really the only thing
with a chance at giving him long-term remission. Otherwise, he might if
lucky live a few months, but cats with lymphoma do not just go on living for
years without treatment. Steroids do help, but they can not kill the
cancer off entirely. If it was not lymphoma he has, the steroids would
not even be helping as much as they are, so I have little doubt that that is
what he has.











The vet will not agree with you that he
has a chance to pull through this. I do not think you will be happy with
what the vet says to you. I also do not think a feeding tube is a good
idea unless you are going to do chemo, because he is not going to make it a
long time anyway without it. I would up the steroids. 











Michelle

RE: Prayers for my Tsubomi

2006-10-09 Thread Rosenfeldt, Diane




Hideyo, I'm sorry you're losing another baby. May 
Tsubomi have a gentle Bridge journey when her time comes. Hugs to both of 
you.

Diane R.


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo 
YamamotoSent: Monday, October 09, 2006 1:35 PMTo: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: 
Prayers for my Tsubomi


First, I wanted to thank you all for 
all your prayers, advise and encouragement for my Tsubomi  I am staying home 
with Tsubomi today as I feel that her final days of her life this time around is 
approaching  she is having a bit difficult time breathing and she is very cold 
because of her severe anemia  I had thought of getting her another transfusion, 
but by this morning, I did not want her to go through what she went through last 
time (waiting around at emergency clinic and stayed there for 8 hours)  its 
extremely difficult to watch her just die.. but I know that she does not want me 
to drag her into the car or any stranger coming to the house  so this is what I 
decided with Tsubomi  I am going to stay with her and watch her and hold her so 
that she can cross the bridge at her home  I am crying as I type this, but I am 
trying not to cry in front of Tsubomi and Ginger as I dont want to upset 
them..

I am asking you all for another 
prayers for my belived Tsubomi so that she can cross the bridge and be transited 
to her freedom very peacefully --- any advise as to how I can make her feel more 
comfortable is extrememly appreciated  thank you all  Its so nice to have you 
around..

Hideyo and 
Tsubomi

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Re: Another vet visit for Spencer?





You didn't upset me. I was afraid I had upset you, and was just trying to 
explain why I had said what I said. Please don't worry about it.

Give him lots of pets and kisses,
Michelle

In a message dated 10/9/2006 2:26:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
My 
  dearest Michelle,It made my heart contract to think I might have upset you 
  in any way. All you've done is been kind enough to point out the 
  obvious with the probability of Spencer having lymphoma. I can't 
  tell you how much better your guidance and support has made me feel and 
  how much I appreciate all you do for me and all of us on the list. 
  Just so we're clear, I don't in any way think of you as a nay sayer!

Re: OT: Sneaky ways to feed ferals

2006-10-09 Thread Leslie Lawther

What about cutting the back out of a pot for a plant? Do likeKelly said and make it a fake plant and then you'd have the whole inside of the pot where the dirt would be. You'll be like James Bond soon... We live in a deed restricted community too... I'm lucky no one has said anything about me feeding on the porch. I looked out the other day and there was a big fox eating on the porch! So word travels fast in the animal kingdom

Leslie =^..^=
On 10/9/06, kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

At 11:46 AM 10/9/2006, you wrote:Get a small fake plant,in a pot,,,put that put onto aq bigger bowel of water, A shallow bowel that is not obvious ...you can also do it with the food,,,Kelly

Hi guys,I am not allowed (by my HOA) to have bowls, etc., on my porch. All pet food dishes must be kept inside. I am allowed to have plants outside.I have been just pouring the food out directly on my porch, which isn't the best method, but it works. I'm trying to figure out how to give them water. Maybe a bowl inside some sort of plant pot? Anyone got an idea?
I want to fix them up a little nest for winter too..actually one is semi-social and will allow me to pet him, etc if I sit out on the porch for a while. If I can get him to where he will allow me to take him to the vet I will bring him in..he seems to want to come in.
Thanks,Kelley-- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life!
http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamesehttp://astore.amazon.com/austinsiamese-20
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---Ralph Waldo Emerson

Re: Coughing Satchmo, Mindboggling Medication

2006-10-09 Thread Leslie

Hi Leslie, yes these are the asthma herbs. My vet liked the combination of the Feline Immune Support pills for his immune system and these herbs that are for the asthma, but also immune support. I hadn't heard that herbs were hard on cats - I knew that essential oils were to be avoided, but had thought herbs to be a safe alternative, I'd be interested to hear more on that.


He doesn't object to them mixed into his food at all, in fact, first I mixed in with a lot of food to dilute it (it's a very fine powder), and he'd lose interest as he got full, so I'd lose some to the scavenging kitten (who at 
5.5 lbs already has a bigger ration than her 13 lb counterpart). Just yesterday, I mixed his dose (it's about 1/8 teaspoon twice a day) in a couple teaspoons of wet food and he gobbled it right down. Now I can control more easily that he is the one getting that medication. It smells kind of chocolatey to me...a deep smell, not offensive, but I haven't tasted it yet, I should just to see (maybe get some blue dragon action going myself). 


He's been on it about a week and a half and his progress seems to continue. It's hard to tell, though, admittedly. He'll go a few days with only a slight huff, and then he'll do the cough/inhale. His fits aren't nearly as prolonged as Fritz's on the link that you sent me (thank you very much, those were very interesting) - his cough/inhales last maybe three seconds, then he swallows hard and walks on, but as your links highlighted, it's no indication that a serious, prolongedattack might not occur. I don't know what he's inhaling that's triggering it, I can't think of any obvious changes.I have the Dyson Animal Vac, so I'll try and use it more (don't know how Mom got him in cahoots with her!) and I'll see about getting an air cleaner like you suggested. 


My vet is optimistic that his dosage will be able to be cut back, she said that many cats respond well to this. The container of powder cost $22.50 and I'd hope to get at least two months out of it...maybe more.


I'll be sure to keep you up to date with progress reports.

Leslie

From: Leslie Lawther [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Coughing Satchmo, Mindboggling Medication*Leslie - so these are the herbs you are using for FeLV or for Satch'sasthma?Do you find that these are helping?I know herbs are hard on acat's system... so I'm really curious how this is working for Satch and how
he is accepting them into his food.I'm VERY interested in how thisworks**Leslie=^..^=*

What do i do?

2006-10-09 Thread Jamie

This might be a little confuseing but please bear with me. I'm not exactly sure what to do. About three weeks ago my Feonce and i went to the animal shelter and got a kitten. He had all his vacinations and was tested negative for the feline leukemia. Well while we were there signing the papers a lady brought in another kitten and said it was a stray. He seemed like a sweet kitten and then i saw her literally rip him from her shirt and he hissed at her and she actually smacked him! so i told them that i would take him home as well. Two days later we took Casper (the stray kitty) to the vet as well as little kitty ( animal shelter kitty) To get a check up and get casper his first shots. The vet looked him over and said that they were 9 weeks old and were very healthy kittens. Well two days after casper got all his shots includeing the leukemia vactination he started acting differently. He would not play at all and would
just meow alot, didnt want to eat, didnt want to play with the other kitten, wouldnt use the litter box, was throwing up just saliva, and also urinated blood twice, and just seemed like he was dying. So we took him back to the vet and he said he might have hookworms. The vet gave him three shots and then looked at his eye membrane and it was pure white, and looked at the other kitten and said that casper had feline leukemia and that little kitty looked like he was getting it as well. He told us to get a fece sample from casper and gave us special kitty food ( A/D and C/D) and told me that if he didnt eat tomorrow he was a dead kitten. Well now he is starting to play a little bit and he is eating alot but its been a week and he still doesnt seem like himself. I was thinking about getting a second opinion because the vet told me he was a healthy cat and then days later hes not? i dont see how that could be possiable for him not to have noticed the first time and that he was
so healthy looking and playful before he got his frist shots and then after near death? I dont really know what to do for him, Do you think i should get a second opinion or is that doctor probably right and if so what can i do for him to bring him back to the fun loving kitten he was? Thank YouJamie
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RE: OT: Sneaky ways to feed ferals









Hi, I take care of ferals from 7 different
colonies in my area  the key to success is to keep low profie as much as
possible  what I do for them  I will go feed them around mid
night and clear up the plates by 1st thing in the morning so n one
really sees it  they will only come around the time anyway --- so thats
one thing you can do  hyou really dont need to keep the food and
water all day long which gives more visibility to others who may complain.











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Leslie Lawther
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006
4:01 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT:
Sneaky ways to feed ferals







What about
cutting the back out of a pot for a plant? Do likeKelly said and
make it a fake plant and then you'd have the whole inside of the pot where the
dirt would be. You'll be like James Bond soon... We live in a
deed restricted community too... I'm lucky no one has said anything about me
feeding on the porch. I looked out the other day and there was a big fox
eating on the porch! So word travels fast in the animal kingdom 





Leslie
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On 10/9/06, kelly
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At 11:46 AM 10/9/2006, you wrote:

Get a small fake plant,in a pot,,,put that put onto aq bigger bowel of
water, A shallow bowel that is not obvious ...you can also do it with the
food,,,
Kelly 






Hi guys,

I am not allowed (by my HOA) to have bowls, etc., on my
porch. All pet food dishes must be kept inside. I am allowed to
have plants outside.

I have been just pouring the food out directly on my porch, which
isn't the best method, but it works. I'm trying to figure out how to give
them water. Maybe a bowl inside some sort of plant pot? Anyone got
an idea? 

I want to fix them up a little nest for winter too..actually one
is semi-social and will allow me to pet him, etc if I sit out on the porch for
a while. If I can get him to where he will allow me to take him to the
vet I will bring him in..he seems to want to come in. 

Thanks,

Kelley

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Re: What do i do?

2006-10-09 Thread Barb Moermond

Jamie, I would definitely get a second opinion. From what you say, the vet simply made a diagnosis of FeLV based on gum color/eyelid color and anemia can be caused by many different things. In order to determine feline leukemia virus status, blood tests need to be done. The usual practice is to have the ELISA (sometimes in combination with FIV) test done in the office and then send a blood sample off for an IFA test. When kitties are that young, they also maybe showing their mom's antibodies, so a second test would be necessary anyway. Usually people wait 90 days between testing. I've never nursed a kitty w/hookworms, so I don't know what the recovery period would be like as far as activity and attitude etc and how the dead worms are shed (yuck). If you are in a larger area, call around to different vets first and check out their attitudes in regards to treating FeLV+ kitties. Also, you ALWAYS need to get
copies of all test results, work done and anything your vet puts into kitty's file. Just make it a habit to get copies for your own records. That makes it easier for you to take them in to a different vet and not have the same treatments tried unnecessarily etc. Hang in there and keep us posted! BarbJamie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This might be a little confuseing but please bear with me. I'm not exactly sure what to do. About three weeks ago my Feonce and i went to the animal shelter and got a kitten. He had all his vacinations and was tested negative for the feline leukemia. Well while we were there signing the papers a lady brought in another kitten and said it was a stray. He seemed like a sweet kitten and then i saw her literally rip him from
her shirt and he hissed at her and she actually smacked him! so i told them that i would take him home as well. Two days later we took Casper (the stray kitty) to the vet as well as little kitty ( animal shelter kitty) To get a check up and get casper his first shots. The vet looked him over and said that they were 9 weeks old and were very healthy kittens. Well two days after casper got all his shots includeing the leukemia vactination he started acting differently. He would not play at all and would just meow alot, didnt want to eat, didnt want to play with the other kitten, wouldnt use the litter box, was throwing up just saliva, and also urinated blood twice, and just seemed like he was dying. So we took him back to the vet and he said he might have hookworms. The vet gave him three shots and then looked at his eye membrane and it was pure white, and looked at the other kitten and said that casper had feline leukemia and that little kitty looked like he was getting it
as well. He told us to get a fece sample from casper and gave us special kitty food ( A/D and C/D) and told me that if he didnt eat tomorrow he was a dead kitten. Well now he is starting to play a little bit and he is eating alot but its been a week and he still doesnt seem like himself. I was thinking about getting a second opinion because the vet told me he was a healthy cat and then days later hes not? i dont see how that could be possiable for him not to have noticed the first time and that he was so healthy looking and playful before he got his frist shots and then after near death? I dont really know what to do for him, Do you think i should get a second opinion or is that doctor probably right and if so what can i do for him to bring him back to the fun loving kitten he was? Thank YouJamie Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com
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RE: OT: Sneaky ways to feed ferals



At 03:47 PM 10/9/2006, you wrote:
Excellent point...very good advice...
Kelly

Hi,
I take care of ferals from 7 different colonies in my area  the key to
success is to keep low profie as much as possible  what I do for them 
I will go feed them around mid night and clear up the plates by
1st thing in the morning so n one really sees it  they will
only come around the time anyway --- so thats one thing you can do 
hyou really dont need to keep the food and water all day long
which gives more visibility to others who may complain.



From:
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mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
Leslie Lawther
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 4:01 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: Sneaky ways to feed ferals

What about
cutting the back out of a pot for a plant? Do like Kelly said and
make it a fake plant and then you'd have the whole inside of the pot
where the dirt would be. You'll be like James Bond
soon... We live in a deed restricted community too... I'm lucky no
one has said anything about me feeding on the porch. I looked out
the other day and there was a big fox eating on the porch! So word
travels fast in the animal kingdom 
Leslie =^..^=

On 10/9/06, kelly
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: 
At 11:46 AM 10/9/2006, you
wrote:
Get a small fake plant,in a pot,,,put that put onto aq bigger bowel
of water, A shallow bowel that is not obvious ...you can also do it with
the food,,,
Kelly 

Hi guys,

I am not allowed (by my HOA) to have bowls, etc., on my porch. All
pet food dishes must be kept inside. I am allowed to have plants
outside.
I have been just pouring the food out directly on my porch, which isn't
the best method, but it works. I'm trying to figure out how to give
them water. Maybe a bowl inside some sort of plant pot?
Anyone got an idea? 
I want to fix them up a little nest for winter too..actually one is
semi-social and will allow me to pet him, etc if I sit out on the porch
for a while. If I can get him to where he will allow me to take him
to the vet I will bring him in..he seems to want to come in. 

Thanks,

Kelley
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Re: Another vet visit for Spencer?





I would guess that if it is actually lymphoma it is small-cell lymphoma, 
which can grow very slowly, as opposed to large-cell lymphoma, which most of our 
cats get.
Michelle

In a message dated 10/9/2006 6:48:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Nina – I know that 
  this is a small percentage but I have a friend whose cat has had lymphoma for 
  over 2 years now – and she is very healthy now still - she decided not to give 
  any conventional treatment at all – but give raw meat diet with natural 
  supplement ---and she has had for two years since diagnosed – I can find 
  out what she gives to her kitty – it’s pretty amazing isn’t 
  it?

Re: Prayers for my Tsubomi





I have used valium this way too and have found it makes a big difference in 
how peacefully they go. I am so sorry.
Michelle

In a message dated 10/9/2006 6:50:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Oh 
  Hideyo, I'm so sorry! Do you have any Valium in the house? When my feral 
  friend Simon was transitioning, I gave him a little bit and it seemed to 
  help him relax enough to let go of the physical. I can only imagine what 
  you are going through. My thoughts and prayers are with you and Tsubomi. 
  If it helps any, I think you have made the right decision about not 
  putting her through another transfusion.Much 
love,Nina

Re: What do i do?

2006-10-09 Thread Marylyn




He had too many vaccinations (my best 
bet). Find a holistic vet and have him/her treat for over 
vaccination. You can get some information on the internet. Several 
vets I know (both regular and alternative) recommend against doing all vaccines 
at once--some even recommend doing withoutvaccines they think are 
unnecessary.

Try hard to get him to eat though.





 
If you have men who will exclude any of God's 
creatures 
from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 
will deal likewise with their fellow 
man. 
St. Francis

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Jamie 
  
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:37 
  PM
  Subject: What do i do? 
 This 
  might be a little confuseing but please bear with me. I'm not exactly sure 
  what to do. About three weeks ago my Feonce and i went to the animal shelter 
  and got a kitten. He had all his vacinations and was tested negative for the 
  feline leukemia. Well while we were there signing the papers a lady brought in 
  another kitten and said it was a stray. He seemed like a sweet kitten and then 
  i saw her literally rip him from her shirt and he hissed at her and she 
  actually smacked him! so i told them that i would take him home as well. Two 
  days later we took Casper (the stray kitty) to the vet as well as little kitty 
  ( animal shelter kitty) To get a check up and get casper his first shots. The 
  vet looked him over and said that they were 9 weeks old and were very healthy 
  kittens. Well two days after casper got all his shots includeing the leukemia 
  vactination he started acting differently. He would not play at all and would 
  just meow alot, didnt want to eat, didnt want to play with the other kitten, 
  wouldnt use the litter box, was throwing up just saliva, and also urinated 
  blood twice, and just seemed like he was dying. So we took him back to the vet 
  and he said he might have hookworms. The vet gave him three shots and then 
  looked at his eye membrane and it was pure white, and looked at the other 
  kitten and said that casper had feline leukemia and that little kitty looked 
  like he was getting it as well. He told us to get a fece sample from casper 
  and gave us special kitty food ( A/D and C/D) and told me that if he didnt eat 
  tomorrow he was a dead kitten. Well now he is starting to play a little bit 
  and he is eating alot but its been a week and he still doesnt seem like 
  himself. I was thinking about getting a second opinion because the vet told me 
  he was a healthy cat and then days later hes not? i dont see how that could be 
  possiable for him not to have noticed the first time and that he was so 
  healthy looking and playful before he got his frist shots and then after near 
  death? I dont really know what to do for him, Do you think i should get a 
  second opinion or is that doctor probably right and if so what can i do for 
  him to bring him back to the fun loving kitten he was? Thank YouJamie
  
  
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Re: My baby Tsubomi (felk) is in trouble - please help!

2006-10-09 Thread catatonya

More prayers for you and Tsubomi, Hideyo.tcindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hideyo, I am sending prayers to you and Tsubomi. Ihope she can pull through this.Cindy Reasoner--- Hideyo Yamamoto<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Well - I talked to three vets and they feel that I am doing everything I can for her right now and they don't have any other suggestions and she gets really stressed out and I am not wanting to put her through --- epogen, interferon, and steroid, lasix - they have been all suggested by at least one of them - but her being felk - they are basically attributing her symptoms to the illness and they are very skeptical - so in a way, I am
on my own -it's sort of up to me to try what I thnk it will help her - though I know that she is losing blood or have perhaps now fluid in heart as she has a hard time breathing after she moves around ---they took exray on her Friday though they did not see any fluid in her chest , but a little in her tummy (not so much) and that's why my vet suggested lasix - I am not again wanting her to go through the stress of ultrasound as they may not find anything for sure anyway - (and they did not see any mass through extray) - I feel that she is losing blood as she seems pale and as I understand there is NOTHING I can do about it - except I try epogen to see if it works for her.. I will see if I can get acemannan -as it was on hold by the government a couple of months ago ---
On Oct 6, 2006, at 10:21 PM, Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: Hi, one of my felk babies is in a serious trouble and I need your help - She was fine until very recently but noticed that something was wrong definitely this morning just the way she as sitting.. so I took her to the vet, and her PCV was 9.6 and took her to the emergency clinic and s had a traqnsfusion, she was fine right after the transfusion, now she is running fever of 106.8.. I am assuming that it is reaction from transfusion. Prior to the transfusion, she vomited very think blood and tons of it.. and now I saw tons of blood came from stool.. and I am very scared.. all the blood
work was normal except high (50,000 range of WBC) - it could be cancer or it could be some type of infection.. she is on clavmox and I just gave her predisolone --- Any insights are appreciated.. the vets are not really sure what's directly causing it and I really didi not want her to continue to be checked out -I was thinking of giving her epogen though her kidney is fine, I thought it migh help anemia or at least it own't hurt? Also I was going to start on interferon tomorrow.. please any insight is appreciated - she is just a sweet girl,, and I wanted to do everything I can to make her feel better.
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Re: timing on FeLV+ test

2006-10-09 Thread catatonya

I'm sorry. I just don't understand. Are you saying Ellie was always positive. She gave it to Oreo and he tested positive, but now he's negative? I don't know if your vet knows what he's doing. If he tested positive on Elissa and then tested negative a month later I take that as a negative. Others on the list know more about this. How and when was Ellie tested, and how do you know that Oreo was negative and caught it from her? I guess I missed your first post. It just doesn't really happen that a negative catches felv from a positive and tests positive and then tests negative and would then 'catch' it again. I guess it could happen, but I have never heard of anything like this.tKathi Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry I'm getting back
with you just now.Oreo did get it from Ellie. Oreo was given an IFA test just a month after testing positive on the ELISSA. I understand this vet gave the IFA way too soon, that perhaps the virus didn't have time to even get into the bone marrow. I've been told by another vet that he could still have it because he was re-tested way too soon with the IFA.KFrom: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: timing on FeLV+ testDate: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:20:09 -0700 (PDT)Are you saying Oreo got it from Ellie, but now he doesn't have it any more?? tKathi Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Thanks, Tonya. This has given me something to think about. I haven't hadthe other ones tested again and I don't think I will. My vet said if shewas in my situation she
would retest only if I brought them in for anillness on down the road. If Ellie tests negative on the IFA on October 13,I'll mix her with the others. If she doesn't, I may still integrate her.Is that taking a big risk with the 1-year-olds, though? As I said, Oreo,who's 1, became infected by Ellie and I know if I mix the two again, they'llhave a great deal of one-on-one contact. Oreo and Connie have a lot ofcontact now and if Oreo contracts it again, does that put Connie at risk?Sorry so many questions. I'm just a nervous mother and FeLV is so new tome.I would miss Ellie so if I found her another home and would always beworried if she was happy or not and taken care of. I just am concerned thatif she has health issues in the future, I can't financially handle the bigvet bills. Perhaps someone else who's better off financially could give hera happy home,
too. But the odds of finding someone who is better offfinancially are small, I know. So, it's just wait and see, like everythingelse in life. I try not to panic anymore.This is the best site. I've learned more from all of you than I have frommy vet. I wonder if she knows she shouldn't have tested Ellie with the IFAso soon after the ELISSA. I don't see that vet any longer.Kathi From: catatonya Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: timing on FeLV+ test Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 05:49:35 -0700 (PDT) If I were in your situation I would mix. BUT I would not be second guessing myself if one of the others happens to turn up positive down the line. Unless you've had your other cats recently tested they couled be positive right now. Cats can
harbor the virus for years. So in my opinion I would mix if all my other cats' leukemia shots were up to date. After 10 years of no one catching felv from my positives I've stopped vaccinating for it every year. tonya Kathi Clark wrote: Althea, 13 Tabitha, 11 Bear, 5 Oreo, 1 Connie, 1From: catatonya Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: timing on FeLV+ test Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:31:42 -0700 (PDT)How old are the other 5?Kathi Clark wrote: Are you all saying that if my 5 kitties have been vaccinated and boostered for FeLV (July 2006) that Ellie, my FeLV+
kitty, can join them now I have her separated and planned to keep her separated from the others until I get the results of her IFA on October 13. October 13 will be 120 days from the first positive IFA; she tested positive on the ELISSA a month before that. Even if she's still positive after the second IFA, is it okay to integrate her with the others? I have one kitty who would wrestle and hiss and spit playfully with her because he already has. Oreo tested positive on the ELISSA after contact with Ellie but tested negative on his IFA a month later. I now know that the vet retested him too soon but I'm too scared to have him retested with another IFA. I couldn't bear to know that my boy,
my favorite, is still infected. I'd rather not know. Right after the negative IFA, I added Oreo to the bunch. Ellie, on the other hand, is a different story. I need to know what to do before I integrate her. She's SO very lonely in a bedroom all by herself. I just would feel like a horrible mother if any of my others came down with FeLV and it was because of Ellie. Please tell me what to do. I want the best for

Re: Another vet visit for Spencer?

2006-10-09 Thread catatonya

Nina,You and Spencer are in my thoughts and prayers. It's so hard to know what to do. I wish I had some advice, but you know him best.tNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have given him a couple of doses of Reglan. I could try using it more and see if it makes any difference in his symptoms. I haven't given him Pepcid. What's Periactin? I'll go Google it.I guess in the back of my mind I was hoping the vets would examine him and exclaim, "Hey! This cat doesn't have cancer! Oh, we were so wrong! Here, give him this 2x daily and he'll be all better in no time." I know that the dex can increase appetite, but I also read that it can cause stomach upset. And I remember those awful stories from someone on the list about their
kitty's skin coming off in patches after prolonged use. That's why I started testing how he'd react to lowering the dose. If we were wrong about him having lymphoma and the steroid has done it's job with controlling whatever inflammation was present, then I'd like to wean him off of it. He used to have pain in his upper abdomen when I'd pick him up, that seems to be gone now. I just don't know Michelle. I know your first suspicions lean toward cancer, mine always veer away from it. I just went to check on him and his fur is starting to take on that dying cat look. You know, that oily, stiff sort of look. Talk about the roller coaster effect! I'm going to go out of my mind if I don't figure out what is going on with him and make a determination about what to do about it. Nina[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would at least up his dex to what it was at before you cut it eod. I might even
up it more than that. Have you tried periactin with him? Or reglan or pepcid for nausea? I would fool around with all of these things and try to get his symptoms under control. The only thing a vet can do for him absent chemo is to increase his steroids or to combine the dex shots with a depo shot, and to prescribe things to stimulate appetite and control nausea. If you have those things at home, I don't see the point of going to the vet for them. You know the dosages, probably. Also, have you tried giving him fluids? The only reason I would bring him in is 1) if you think the vet might increase or add steroids, 2) if you want to try chemo, or 3) if you need the meds listed above to control symptoms. I do not see what else a vet would do, and your vet would probably just recommend pts. Michelle

Re: Prayers for my Tsubomi

2006-10-09 Thread dede hicken

I am new here, and don't really know you both, but I
have been where you are right now.  May a spirit of
peace be with you both.  

Love and prayers for both of you,
Dede

--- Hideyo Yamamoto
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 First, I wanted to thank you all for all your
 prayers, advise and
 encouragement for my Tsubomi - I am staying home
 with Tsubomi today as I
 feel that her final days of her life this time
 around is approaching -
 she is having a bit difficult time breathing and she
 is very cold
 because of her severe anemia - I had thought of
 getting her another
 transfusion, but by this morning, I did not want her
 to go through what
 she went through last time (waiting around at
 emergency clinic and
 stayed there for 8 hours) - it's extremely difficult
 to watch her just
 die.. but I know that she does not want me to drag
 her into the car or
 any stranger coming to the house - so this is what I
 decided with
 Tsubomi - I am going to stay with her and watch her
 and hold her so that
 she can cross the bridge at her home - I am crying
 as I type this, but I
 am trying not to cry in front of Tsubomi and Ginger
 as I don't want to
 upset them..
 
  
 
 I am asking you all for another prayers for my
 belived Tsubomi so that
 she can cross the bridge and be transited to her
 freedom very peacefully
 --- any advise as to how I can make her feel more
 comfortable is
 extrememly appreciated - thank you all - It's so
 nice to have you
 around..
 
  
 
 Hideyo and Tsubomi
 
 


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Sharing price information




All of us in these feline groups spend a lot of money helping our 
cats, Our vets order test,,,labs,,meds etc and we really have no idea 
what most people are paying for these procedures,be it a spay or a 
dental,,ultra sound or Xray
I am hoping there is very computer literate person out there who 
might be willing to keep the bo9oks so to say...just have a way to 
post the information that is sent in my members,,,This information 
should be able to be cross posted to any groups in need of this information.

I am ignorant on how to...and my time has totally disappeared be I help.
We can even list the vet practices and geographical location which 
might really help so many in need,,

Is this a feasibility???
Kelly

Re: Sharing price information

2006-10-09 Thread Kelley Saveika

I think it is going to vary a lot by location.

We have a lot of city subsidized services here.

Since I live in the poor area of town I get free spay/neuter, rabies, and city registration. I have to take a day off work and get up at 5 am and wait in line. Supposedly we are limited to 3 animals per person per visit, but I have taken i more. They will spay as many as they have time to do. There is another rescue lady who is there every time.

Microchip is $10, fvcrp shot 11, felv shot 10.

I can get dentals for about $30, plus blood work $20..then each tooth that needs to be extracted is $5 to $20.

I know I am lucky.

Echocardiogram from the cardiologist is $340.

My vet does not charge me for exams because I bring him so much business.

We have a compounding phrmacy in town...I just paid $49 for flagyl..ouch ouch..but some people don't have compounding pharmacies near them...

On 10/9/06, kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All of us in these feline groups spend a lot of money helping ourcats, Our vets order test,,,labs,,meds etc and we really have no idea
what most people are paying for these procedures,be it a spay or adental,,ultra sound or XrayI am hoping there is very computer literate person out there whomight be willing to keep the bo9oks so to say...just have a way to
post the information that is sent in my members,,,This informationshould be able to be cross posted to any groups in need of this information.I am ignorant on how to...and my time has totally disappeared be I help.
We can even list the vet practices and geographical location whichmight really help so many in need,,Is this a feasibility???Kelly-- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life!
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Re: Sharing price information

2006-10-09 Thread Barb Moermond

I am absolutely drooling over those prices.. I am limited (hmph) to two kitties by lease and since I take them to a cat only vet (very very good, I love them) I can barely afford the two! I love my vets and the care they give my boys, but I know I couldn't afford their prices on the problems a kitty that finds me would have. Right now, we're coasting smoothly along - Bandit is keeping his weight up and Smoky has no bladder issues (knocking on wood) - but Smoky had 4 or 5 episodes of cystitis last winter from Thanksgiving to about Valentine's. A LOT of especially with 2 visits to the ER... I live in a moderately small city with a lot of vets and a vet school, so I am lucky in the array of choices available. But I've done phone surveys of 8-10 clinics to see if I could find a place noticeably less expensive for the 2 physicals and baseline bloodwork. They were all within about $30 of each other, so why go to a vet who
doesn't know them...Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it is going to vary a lot by location. We have a lot of city subsidized services here. Since I live in the poor area of town I get free spay/neuter, rabies, and city registration. I have to take a day off work and get up at 5 am and wait in line. Supposedly we are limited to 3 animals per person per visit, but I have taken i more. They will spay as many as they have time to do. There is another rescue lady who is there every time. Microchip is $10, fvcrp shot 11, felv shot 10. I can get dentals for about $30, plus blood work $20..then each tooth that needs to be extracted is $5 to $20. I
know I am lucky. Echocardiogram from the cardiologist is $340. My vet does not charge me for exams because I bring him so much business. We have a compounding phrmacy in town...I just paid $49 for flagyl..ouch ouch..but some people don't have compounding pharmacies near them... On 10/9/06, kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All of us in these feline groups spend a lot of money helping ourcats, Our vets order test,,,labs,,meds etc and we really have no idea what most people are paying for these procedures,be it a spay or adental,,ultra sound or XrayI am hoping there is very
computer literate person out there whomight be willing to keep the bo9oks so to say...just have a way to post the information that is sent in my members,,,This informationshould be able to be cross posted to any groups in need of this information.I am ignorant on how to...and my time has totally disappeared be I help. We can even list the vet practices and geographical location whichmight really help so many in need,,Is this a feasibility???Kelly-- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life! http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamesehttp://astore.amazon.com/austinsiamese-20 Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what
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At 08:46 PM 10/9/2006, you wrote:

Is there a way we can give a geographical location and some basic ideas
of what we pay for specific procedures,
for example here several of the vets charge 165 for a senior panel,,,the
SNAP combo test ranges for 39 to 60,,,A CBC is about 50,,Spay can go from
50 to 200Dentals from 100 to 400. 
I would like to compile something that could benefit others so they can
see common prices and ranges in different areas and perhaps find a more
cost efficient local vet..
I am in the Central Valley ( Fresno) of California. It is an ag based
community,
Kelly

I am absolutely drooling over
those prices.. I am limited (hmph) to two kitties by lease and
since I take them to a cat only vet (very very good, I love them) I can
barely afford the two! I love my vets and the care they give my
boys, but I know I couldn't afford their prices on the problems a kitty
that finds me would have. Right now, we're coasting smoothly along
- Bandit is keeping his weight up and Smoky has no bladder issues
(knocking on wood) - but Smoky had 4 or 5 episodes of cystitis last
winter from Thanksgiving to about Valentine's. A LOT of 
especially with 2 visits to the ER... I live in a moderately small
city with a lot of vets and a vet school, so I am lucky in the array of
choices available. But I've done phone surveys of 8-10 clinics to
see if I could find a place noticeably less expensive for the 2 physicals
and baseline bloodwork. They were all within about $30 of each
other, so why go to a vet who doesn't know them...
Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I think it is going to vary a lot by location.



We have a lot of city subsidized services here.



Since I live in the poor area of town I get free spay/neuter, rabies,
and city registration. I have to take a day off work and get up at
5 am and wait in line. Supposedly we are limited to 3 animals per
person per visit, but I have taken i more. They will spay as many
as they have time to do. There is another rescue lady who is
there every time. 



Microchip is $10, fvcrp shot 11, felv shot 10.



I can get dentals for about $30, plus blood work $20..then each tooth
that needs to be extracted is $5 to $20.



I know I am lucky.



Echocardiogram from the cardiologist is $340.



My vet does not charge me for exams because I bring him so much
business.



We have a compounding phrmacy in town...I just paid $49 for
flagyl..ouch ouch..but some people don't have compounding pharmacies near
them...






On 10/9/06, kelly
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




All of us in these feline groups spend a lot of money helping
our

cats, Our vets order test,,,labs,,meds etc and we really have no idea


what most people are paying for these procedures,be it a spay or
a

dental,,ultra sound or Xray

I am hoping there is very computer literate person out there who

might be willing to keep the bo9oks so to say...just have a way to


post the information that is sent in my members,,,This
information

should be able to be cross posted to any groups in need of this
information.

I am ignorant on how to...and my time has totally disappeared be I
help. 

We can even list the vet practices and geographical location
which

might really help so many in need,,

Is this a feasibility???

Kelly





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http://astore.amazon.com/austinsiamese-20 



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Re: Another vet visit for Spencer?

Thanks Tonya, and everyone else.  I did give him .5 of a Pepcid this 
afternoon.  This evening, a couple of hours ago, I gave him his shot of 
dex and smeared his ear with the appetite stimulant.  His breath is more 
shallow than it has been since I began using the dex and he's oh so 
tired.  He's still alert when I lay down next to him, he still seems to 
enjoy my presence, but I don't know how much longer he'll be with me.  I 
haven't seen him take a bite of food since early this morning when he 
ate just a couple of kibble.  I tried Michelle's method with the raw 
chicken, I even got a couple of bites down him, but it was pretty much 
like pilling him.  If he could, he'd spit it right back out.  I gave up 
and told him my intention was not to torture him.  Just a little bit ago 
I gave in and gently massaged some transition fe into his fur.  I've 
been telling him it's okay to leave his failing body behind.  That I 
love him and know there are so many souls waiting to happily greet him 
on the other side.  No more pain, no more fear.  I closed my eyes and 
saw him whole and strong and youthful again, bounding through a field of 
wild flowers chasing mice with my Angel friend Trouble. 

The vet never called me back.  It's just as well.  Isn't amazing how 
quickly our hopes can change?  Just this morning I was still praying for 
miracles, now I'm praying for a peaceful transition without having to 
make that dreaded trip to the vet.

Nina

catatonya wrote:


Nina,
 
You and Spencer are in my thoughts and prayers.  It's so hard to know 
what to do.  I wish I had some advice, but you know him best.
 
t

RE: Another vet visit for Spencer?

2006-10-09 Thread Diane Rosenfeldt

Nina, I'm so sorry your dear boy is fading.  If it's time for him to go,
he'll go knowing he was deeply loved.  What more could any kitty, or
anybody, ask?  Give Spencer a hug from me, and take one for yourself.

Diane R.

Spencer