Re: [Felvtalk] for Kelley OT
You might want to look at the No Kill Advocacy Center--in particular, the "No Kill Equation" at link below... http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/nokillequation.html Christiane Biagi Cell: 914-720-6888 ti...@mindspring.com Volunteer-St. Bernard Parish Animal Shelter http://www.flickr.com/photos/sbpshelter/sets/72157603921945483/ -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Laurieskatz Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 10:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] for Kelley OT Kelley, I am on an Ad Hoc committee regarding a new Animal Control/shelter manager and new shelter (ours was destroyed in a flood - the 5th largest natural disaster - last summer). We are making recommendations regarding the new manager and shelter. We are hoping to have a greater focus on the sheltering part of the position than in the past. We are also drafting interview questions for the candidates. We are hoping the City will hire someone who believes in the no kill philosophy. Earlier today I read the new Cat Fancy article "a No Kill Nation: Is It Possible?" and had my first exposure to Nathan Winograd. Tonight I was perusing your site and there he is again! I didn't realize or remember where you are located and, of course you would know him or of him. He is AMAZING. The links on your site took me to tons of valuable information for our effort. THANK-YOU for this and all you do for kitties! Laurie (Iowa) -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 7:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Susan Hoffman wrote: > > They also receive a lot of funding and donations and have a dedicated board > of directors. Yes, but how much of that is due to the fact that they have been open to the public since the beginning? It seems a chicken and the egg thing to me. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals "Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say "take them first as long as you leave me alone". ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] for Kelley OT
Kelley, I am on an Ad Hoc committee regarding a new Animal Control/shelter manager and new shelter (ours was destroyed in a flood - the 5th largest natural disaster - last summer). We are making recommendations regarding the new manager and shelter. We are hoping to have a greater focus on the sheltering part of the position than in the past. We are also drafting interview questions for the candidates. We are hoping the City will hire someone who believes in the no kill philosophy. Earlier today I read the new Cat Fancy article "a No Kill Nation: Is It Possible?" and had my first exposure to Nathan Winograd. Tonight I was perusing your site and there he is again! I didn't realize or remember where you are located and, of course you would know him or of him. He is AMAZING. The links on your site took me to tons of valuable information for our effort. THANK-YOU for this and all you do for kitties! Laurie (Iowa) -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 7:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Susan Hoffman wrote: > > They also receive a lot of funding and donations and have a dedicated board > of directors. Yes, but how much of that is due to the fact that they have been open to the public since the beginning? It seems a chicken and the egg thing to me. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals "Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say "take them first as long as you leave me alone". ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Susan Hoffman wrote: > > They also receive a lot of funding and donations and have a dedicated board > of directors. Yes, but how much of that is due to the fact that they have been open to the public since the beginning? It seems a chicken and the egg thing to me. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals "Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say "take them first as long as you leave me alone". ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Yes, I have thought about buying land in the middle of nowhere. Normally, however, that would bethe kiss of death to any sanctuary. It is very diffcult; fortunately I have time to work it out in my mind. On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:49 PM, MaryChristine wrote: > they owe much of their ability to have a different attitude toward > dumping to the fact that they have an enormous amount of land, they're > out in the middle of nowhere so that they don't have folks just > driving by every day, that they started out with a > much-larger-than-usual core group of dedicated, committed people, and > they have a very large group of volunteers. > > many smaller places have few if any of those attributes. > > -- > Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! > Maybe That'll Make The Difference > > MaryChristine > Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org > ) > Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals "Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say "take them first as long as you leave me alone". ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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They also receive a lot of funding and donations and have a dedicated board of directors. --- On Sat, 8/1/09, MaryChristine wrote: > From: MaryChristine > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 11:49 AM > they owe much of their ability to > have a different attitude toward > dumping to the fact that they have an enormous amount of > land, they're > out in the middle of nowhere so that they don't have folks > just > driving by every day, that they started out with a > much-larger-than-usual core group of dedicated, committed > people, and > they have a very large group of volunteers. > > many smaller places have few if any of those attributes. > > -- > Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! > Maybe That'll Make The Difference > > MaryChristine > Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue > (www.purebredcats.org) > Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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absolutely, tad, and what's worse, is that it's still happening with FIVs, even, with less rationale. if so many vets weren't themselves ignorant of the research, and the fact that for many YEARS, all the textbooks and associations have said never to make a life-or-death decision on an asymptomatic cat without a second test, we could go to the state vet assns and try to make a case for willful ignorance. but it's the professionals who are often the worse: just last month, in wichita, KS, a vet who tested a kitten and got a positive result flipped out, ranting about how she would have to close down her clinic for 48 hours to fumigate it; she and her staff were running around wiping down everything in the room, even tho the kitten hadn't been on those surfaces. i don't know how to fight this level of professional ignorance, nor how to expect shelters and rescues to know any better. -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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In the past we have talked about shelters that call themselves NO KILL but as soon as the cat tests pos for FeLV it is KILLED I think we have just had such a case here in Mass It appears that a rescue went to pull a cat and get it on a transport to an adopter... The cat then tested pos. The rescue put a cry for help at 5:30 the end of the day... Later that evening I replied and said I could help Next thing I heard was that the cat had been PTS and rescue wasn't going to say any more Sounds like the OLD SCHOOL still lives where when a cat tests pos he is immediately PTS Tad MaryChristine wrote: they owe much of their ability to have a different attitude toward dumping to the fact that they have an enormous amount of land, they're out in the middle of nowhere so that they don't have folks just driving by every day, that they started out with a much-larger-than-usual core group of dedicated, committed people, and they have a very large group of volunteers. many smaller places have few if any of those attributes. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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they owe much of their ability to have a different attitude toward dumping to the fact that they have an enormous amount of land, they're out in the middle of nowhere so that they don't have folks just driving by every day, that they started out with a much-larger-than-usual core group of dedicated, committed people, and they have a very large group of volunteers. many smaller places have few if any of those attributes. -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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This is a subject I've been interested in for a while, as I one day want to start my own sanctuary (with help of course). Best Friends is open to the public, and has no problem with people dumping - I have asked people who worked there and they said it wasn't an issue, and I asked what they would do if it became an issue, and they said they would probably just take the animals, but they are large enough to absorb an extra cat or dog or so with no issues.. I know many sanctuaries get animals dumped on them, and there is even a local sanctuary here where someone has been *stealing* and *killing* the animals (they are, among other things, a barnyard animal sanctuary). I think BF owes a lot of its success to the fact that it is open all the time..so I"m not sure how to resolve this issue. I wish the OT list was still around. Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals "Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say "take them first as long as you leave me alone". ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
