Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
Actually, doxy is available in liquid form and this is the form that should always be used with cats. If a doxy tablet gets stuck going down it will do serious damage to the esophagus. I haven't tried grinding a prednisone and putting it in food, but you might try that. I find cat food like salmon are pretty good at hiding some bad tasting meds, also a little karo or pancake syrup can help with bitter meds mixed in food. You are by far not the only person who has a problem pilling cats. I have one that the vet can always get the first pill into, but I have never gotten one down him yet by pilling, only by mixing with food. I have several cats that won't even look at a pill pocket when it doesn't have a pill in it, much less when it does. Gary Bugrahan Yalvac wrote: Doxycycline 100 MG and Prednisone 5 MG are the pills. He is infected by mycoplasma haemofelis. It looks all so easy to give cats oral medication on the net but those cats are all healty, relaxed, and happy cats who swallow the pills. Mine is doing everything not to swallow anything. Should I take him to the vet again? Am I the only one who cannot manage to medicate a cat orally? On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Gary wrote: What are the pills? Gary Bugrahan Yalvac wrote: Hi, All, I have a FeLV positive cat who adapted me six months ago. A week ago he stopped eating and began to taste his litter. I took him to the vet and he was tested FeLV positive. Vet gave me steroids and antibiotics and I was mixing the pills with his science diet for couple days. He was able to eat small entities of science diet for few days. However for the last two days he is not eating anything. I tried two times to med him through his mount, it didn't work at all. Anyone knows a better way to give medications (pills) to a cat? Thanks, Bugra _ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Help - I can't get LTCI in Georgia! to Hotmail Junk!!!
OK-I didn't realize that we are in the same area!! How crazy is that? I live in Rio Linda (Sacramento County) with my kitties, horses and antique Aussies (all over 10 yrs old). Citrus Heights is within 15-20 minutes away. Small World! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Help - I can't get LTCI in Georgia!
Mine is Akaal Pet Hospital in Citrus Heights. They ordered it for my cat all the time! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 11, 2009, at 10:28 AM, Alice Flowers wrote: I am shocked that your vet cannot order it. It's not even a "drug" per se. Perhaps your vet can contact another vet that can order it? My vet is the "Sacramento Cat Hospital" and if you google it, they have a website with all their contact info. As I type this, Rosie has Murphy in a headlock and is trying to bite his eyehe has these huge persian-like eyeballs and fluffy hair-she is a sleek tabby from a feral colony and loves to terrorize him these days even though she's half his size. I believe they'd both be dead if we hadn't begun the Imulan before they began crashing like Rosie's 4 brothers did. (The 4 brothers didn't see their 1st birthday.) These two have so much energy-galloping up and down the hall-one minute she's chasing him and then when they reverse directions-he's chasing her! I absolutely love it-not a sneeze or a sniffle since Sept, when they were constantly sick before the treatments. Rosie is 16 months old, Murphy just a few months more. I am only giving the subq injection every 6 weeks now. (It was once a week for 4 weeks in the beginning, then 2 weeks, 4 weeks etc). If I didn't have the Imulan, I have been reading alot of great things about the IV vitamin C therapy-I just read an article that said it cured a bad case of H1N1 in a human-but I didn't try to verify it-there is alot of information out there on the IV vitamin C- I do believe it is worth checking into. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Help - I can't get LTCI in Georgia!
I know, that's why I'm so shocked myself. I haven't spoken with my vet; he left
me a voice mail yesterday while I was at work and I didn't have time to call
him back, since we were swamped with folks desperate to surrender their pets
before Christmas ("I need presents for my kids, so I can't afford to feed my
dog!"). All he said was that it was related to some legal issue, and no one in
the state is currently able to get it. Frustrating. The vitamin C thing is
interesting; I'll have to run that by him.
I'm not far from the GA-AL line...I wonder if I could bring her to Alabama if
it's available there. I'm just desperate to do SOMETHING while she's still
healthy. Her brother is gone and I just can't lose her.
--- On Fri, 12/11/09, Alice Flowers wrote:
From: Alice Flowers
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Help - I can't get LTCI in Georgia!
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"
Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 1:28 PM
I am shocked that your vet cannot order it. It's not even a "drug" per se.
Perhaps your vet can contact another vet that can order it? My vet is the
"Sacramento Cat Hospital" and if you google it, they have a website with all
their contact info. As I type this, Rosie has Murphy in a headlock and is
trying to bite his eyehe has these huge persian-like eyeballs and fluffy
hair-she is a sleek tabby from a feral colony and loves to terrorize him these
days even though she's half his size. I believe they'd both be dead if we
hadn't begun the Imulan before they began crashing like Rosie's 4 brothers did.
(The 4 brothers didn't see their 1st birthday.) These two have so much
energy-galloping up and down the hall-one minute she's chasing him and then
when they reverse directions-he's chasing her! I absolutely love it-not a
sneeze or a sniffle since Sept, when they were constantly sick before the
treatments. Rosie is 16 months old, Murphy just a few months
more. I am only giving the subq injection every 6 weeks now. (It was once a
week for 4 weeks in the beginning, then 2 weeks, 4 weeks etc). If I didn't have
the Imulan, I have been reading alot of great things about the IV vitamin C
therapy-I just read an article that said it cured a bad case of H1N1 in a
human-but I didn't try to verify it-there is alot of information out there on
the IV vitamin C-I do believe it is worth checking into.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Caught The 2 Semi-Ferals!
Suggest they cover the cage so he thinks he is in a den. On Dec 11, 2009, at 1:33 PM, Crystal Proper wrote: Just wanted to let everyone know I caught the male and female semi feral FeLV+ that I was talking about in the sanctuary post. "Mama Cat" and "Dusty" are now at the vet waiting to get fixed! However, Dusty didn't like his cage much and cut his little nose, poor baby. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Caught The 2 Semi-Ferals!
Just wanted to let everyone know I caught the male and female semi feral FeLV+ that I was talking about in the sanctuary post. "Mama Cat" and "Dusty" are now at the vet waiting to get fixed! However, Dusty didn't like his cage much and cut his little nose, poor baby. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Help - I can't get LTCI in Georgia!
Happy to help, Gloria. If you need any information at all about the protocol, please keep my numbers (below) and call me any time. You may have guessed by now that I am very passionate about this and beyond anxious to start seeing pet owners trying this safe and effective protocol for their own sick cats. I hope to have a Web site with more information online soon. In the meantime, I can't tell you enough how important it is to read Dr. Fred Klenner's Clinical Guide to the Use of Vitamin C (full text available online at http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/198x/smith-lh-clinica l_guide_1988.htm), and Dr. Wendell Belfield's paper Megascorbic Prophylaxis and Megascorbic Therapy: A New Orthomolecular Modality in Veterinary Medicine (full text available online at http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/197x/belfield-w-j_int _assn_prev_med-1978-v2-n3-p10.htm). I have seen IV vitamin C work a miracle for three of my cats with lymphoma, upper respiratory and recently FIP, and though far from an expert on the subject, I am certainly an expert at trying. :-) Sally Snyder Jewell Tower Laboratories Corporation Manufacturers of Pauling Therapy Formulas for Coronary Heart Disease Since 1996 http://www.HeartTech.com E-mail: sa...@towerlaboratories.com Toll Free: 1-877-TOWER-LABS (1-877.869.3752) Voice: 502.368.2720; 502.368.2721 Fax: 502.368.0019 Pauling Therapy Information Web site: http://www.HeartTech.com Pauling Therapy Order Link: http://www.PaulingTherapyStore.com The products manufactured by Tower Laboratories Corporation, Inc. are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent disease in the United States. Without prejudice to the generality of the contents herein, this message is not meant nor intended to diagnose, treat, or otherwise mitigate any health related condition. This message does not attach any legal liability onto the originator thereof. This communication may also contain information which is confidential, and therefore privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you have received this message by error, please delete the email and destroy any copies of it. > -Original Message- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk- > boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 1:34 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Help - I can't get LTCI in Georgia! > > Thanks again, Sally. I'm a great believer in vitamin C, have taken > megadoses of it myself with good results. I haven't used it > methodically in cats like you have, although I have used Belfield's > Vitamin C. When I get another cat with early FIP or FELV like > you're > talking about, I'll see about finding a vet who'll do an IV drip - > wish I'd done it with some of my cats who've now passed on. > > Gloria > in Arkansas > > > > On Dec 11, 2009, at 10:44 AM, S. Jewell wrote: > > > Gary, > > > > I used the Mega C Plus on a feral FeLV cat for six months > > but ultimately he did not seroconvert because it was already > > in his bone marrow. Had I the opportunity to start > > megadoses of oral vitamin C at the beginning stages of his > > virus he would likely still be alive, because like taking C > > for the common cold, timing is key in stopping the > > progression of viruses. > > > > Ascorbic acid is critical for prevention and optimal health > > in cats and dogs, but it is nearly impossible to get enough > > of it into a cat orally to eradicate an aggressive, > > life-threatening virus once well-established. Cats and dogs > > make very little vitamin C in the liver compared to most > > animals, hence the reason they succumb to these diseases. I > > talked with Wendell Belfield, DVM about his use of this > > protocol and he confirmed that if the > > infection/disease/virus is too advanced a more aggressive > > approach is necessary through sub-Q or IM injections or > > intravenous infusions. > > > > Though an excellent formula, his oral Mega-C Plus contains > > iron, which can limit the amount than can be used > > therapeutically. Otherwise, there is no toxic limit for > > pure ascorbic acid and the more you can get into the cat up > > to bowel tolerance, the more beneficial. When the body is > > under stress (animal or human) and fighting illness, more > > vitamin C is tolerated and necessary to eradicate the > > disease/virus. The myths about kidney stones, peeing > > expensive urine, etc., are just that - myths, propagated by > > those who would stand to lose huge money were ascorbic acid > > widely accepted and used for eradicating disease. Vitamin C > > has been known to fight 30 major diseases for over 50 years, > > and as Wendell Belfield DVM knew well and practiced from the > > 1960s on, it also cures cat and dog viruses, infection and > > disease. > > > > Giving high doses of sodium ascorbate intravenously to an > > FeLV cat in the early stages of the disease should > > perma
Re: [Felvtalk] Help - I can't get LTCI in Georgia!
Happy to help, Gloria. If you need any information at all about the protocol, please keep my numbers (below) and call me any time. You may have guessed by now that I am very passionate about this and beyond anxious to start seeing pet owners trying this safe and effective protocol for their own sick cats. I hope to have a Web site with more information online soon. In the meantime, I can't tell you enough how important it is to read Dr. Fred Klenner's Clinical Guide to the Use of Vitamin C (full text available online at http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/198x/smith-lh-clinica l_guide_1988.htm), and Dr. Wendell Belfield's paper Megascorbic Prophylaxis and Megascorbic Therapy: A New Orthomolecular Modality in Veterinary Medicine (full text available online at http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/197x/belfield-w-j_int _assn_prev_med-1978-v2-n3-p10.htm). I have seen IV vitamin C work a miracle for three of my cats with lymphoma, upper respiratory and recently FIP, and though far from an expert on the subject, I am certainly an expert at trying. :-) Sally Snyder Jewell Tower Laboratories Corporation Manufacturers of Pauling Therapy Formulas for Coronary Heart Disease Since 1996 http://www.HeartTech.com E-mail: sa...@towerlaboratories.com Toll Free: 1-877-TOWER-LABS (1-877.869.3752) Voice: 502.368.2720; 502.368.2721 Fax: 502.368.0019 Pauling Therapy Information Web site: http://www.HeartTech.com Pauling Therapy Order Link: http://www.PaulingTherapyStore.com The products manufactured by Tower Laboratories Corporation, Inc. are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent disease in the United States. Without prejudice to the generality of the contents herein, this message is not meant nor intended to diagnose, treat, or otherwise mitigate any health related condition. This message does not attach any legal liability onto the originator thereof. This communication may also contain information which is confidential, and therefore privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you have received this message by error, please delete the email and destroy any copies of it. > -Original Message- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk- > boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 1:34 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Help - I can't get LTCI in Georgia! > > Thanks again, Sally. I'm a great believer in vitamin C, have taken > megadoses of it myself with good results. I haven't used it > methodically in cats like you have, although I have used Belfield's > Vitamin C. When I get another cat with early FIP or FELV like > you're > talking about, I'll see about finding a vet who'll do an IV drip - > wish I'd done it with some of my cats who've now passed on. > > Gloria > in Arkansas > > > > On Dec 11, 2009, at 10:44 AM, S. Jewell wrote: > > > Gary, > > > > I used the Mega C Plus on a feral FeLV cat for six months > > but ultimately he did not seroconvert because it was already > > in his bone marrow. Had I the opportunity to start > > megadoses of oral vitamin C at the beginning stages of his > > virus he would likely still be alive, because like taking C > > for the common cold, timing is key in stopping the > > progression of viruses. > > > > Ascorbic acid is critical for prevention and optimal health > > in cats and dogs, but it is nearly impossible to get enough > > of it into a cat orally to eradicate an aggressive, > > life-threatening virus once well-established. Cats and dogs > > make very little vitamin C in the liver compared to most > > animals, hence the reason they succumb to these diseases. I > > talked with Wendell Belfield, DVM about his use of this > > protocol and he confirmed that if the > > infection/disease/virus is too advanced a more aggressive > > approach is necessary through sub-Q or IM injections or > > intravenous infusions. > > > > Though an excellent formula, his oral Mega-C Plus contains > > iron, which can limit the amount than can be used > > therapeutically. Otherwise, there is no toxic limit for > > pure ascorbic acid and the more you can get into the cat up > > to bowel tolerance, the more beneficial. When the body is > > under stress (animal or human) and fighting illness, more > > vitamin C is tolerated and necessary to eradicate the > > disease/virus. The myths about kidney stones, peeing > > expensive urine, etc., are just that - myths, propagated by > > those who would stand to lose huge money were ascorbic acid > > widely accepted and used for eradicating disease. Vitamin C > > has been known to fight 30 major diseases for over 50 years, > > and as Wendell Belfield DVM knew well and practiced from the > > 1960s on, it also cures cat and dog viruses, infection and > > disease. > > > > Giving high doses of sodium ascorbate intravenously to an > > FeLV cat in the early stages of the disease should > > perma
Re: [Felvtalk] Help - I can't get LTCI in Georgia!
Thanks again, Sally. I'm a great believer in vitamin C, have taken megadoses of it myself with good results. I haven't used it methodically in cats like you have, although I have used Belfield's Vitamin C. When I get another cat with early FIP or FELV like you're talking about, I'll see about finding a vet who'll do an IV drip - wish I'd done it with some of my cats who've now passed on. Gloria in Arkansas On Dec 11, 2009, at 10:44 AM, S. Jewell wrote: Gary, I used the Mega C Plus on a feral FeLV cat for six months but ultimately he did not seroconvert because it was already in his bone marrow. Had I the opportunity to start megadoses of oral vitamin C at the beginning stages of his virus he would likely still be alive, because like taking C for the common cold, timing is key in stopping the progression of viruses. Ascorbic acid is critical for prevention and optimal health in cats and dogs, but it is nearly impossible to get enough of it into a cat orally to eradicate an aggressive, life-threatening virus once well-established. Cats and dogs make very little vitamin C in the liver compared to most animals, hence the reason they succumb to these diseases. I talked with Wendell Belfield, DVM about his use of this protocol and he confirmed that if the infection/disease/virus is too advanced a more aggressive approach is necessary through sub-Q or IM injections or intravenous infusions. Though an excellent formula, his oral Mega-C Plus contains iron, which can limit the amount than can be used therapeutically. Otherwise, there is no toxic limit for pure ascorbic acid and the more you can get into the cat up to bowel tolerance, the more beneficial. When the body is under stress (animal or human) and fighting illness, more vitamin C is tolerated and necessary to eradicate the disease/virus. The myths about kidney stones, peeing expensive urine, etc., are just that - myths, propagated by those who would stand to lose huge money were ascorbic acid widely accepted and used for eradicating disease. Vitamin C has been known to fight 30 major diseases for over 50 years, and as Wendell Belfield DVM knew well and practiced from the 1960s on, it also cures cat and dog viruses, infection and disease. Giving high doses of sodium ascorbate intravenously to an FeLV cat in the early stages of the disease should permanently eradicate the FeLV virus as it did with FIP in my kitten, and in fact, ANY virus. I am preparing to do just such a trial on the next newly diagnosed FeLV kitten that comes into my care. The key is catching it early and administering enough to permanently destroy the virus. With my two FIP kittens, Chuckie was the first to become symptomatic. We administered IV sodium ascorbate (vitamin C) at 1 gram per pound of body weight (5,000 mg daily) for five days. We stopped the drips when he appeared better, though he soon took a nose dive and by the time my vet opened again he was too far gone from a neurological standpoint. The virus had not been totally eradicated in those five days at that low dose, and when the C was stopped the virus replicated and killed him. When his sister Angelica began to manifest with the same chronic high fevers, weight loss, lack of appetite, and transient neurologic symptoms, a passage in Klenner's Clinical Guide to the Use of Vitamin C grabbed my attention, to wit: ". . . failure to benefit from Vitamin C use is usually due to inadequate amounts being used for too short a period of time." Newly armed with this information, we doubled Angelica's IV C to 2g per pound of body weight so that she was getting 10g daily. We continued the drips daily and on day 7 her 105 fever came down. We continued for 4 more days to make sure the virus was killed and we didn't have a repeat situation as with poor Chuckie. Her fevers remained down through day 11 and then we tapered her off of the C and gave it orally to avoid rebound scurvy. It has been 3 weeks and she is eating well, gaining weight, and totally asymptomatic. Needless to say, she now gets C in her food every day. The difference between the two treatment scenarios is that Chuckie received too many immune-destroying antibiotics and steroids before his official FIP diagnosis returned and by the time we started the IV C drips he was terribly compromised, though he probably would have survived had I only realized that we were administering too little vitamin C for too short a time. When Angelica became sick I went straight to the IV vitamin C as my first line of defense and apparently that, and the proper dosage amount and administration length, were the keys to curing her. I hope this helps some of you. I posted much of this information before but it seemed to be dismissed a priori with few appearing to consider it legitimate or worthy of greater investigation. This is sad, because while everyone continues to talk of what to do for these poor FeLV, FIV, FIP and other sick cats, with a little
Re: [Felvtalk] Help - I can't get LTCI in Georgia!
I am shocked that your vet cannot order it. It's not even a "drug" per se. Perhaps your vet can contact another vet that can order it? My vet is the "Sacramento Cat Hospital" and if you google it, they have a website with all their contact info. As I type this, Rosie has Murphy in a headlock and is trying to bite his eyehe has these huge persian-like eyeballs and fluffy hair-she is a sleek tabby from a feral colony and loves to terrorize him these days even though she's half his size. I believe they'd both be dead if we hadn't begun the Imulan before they began crashing like Rosie's 4 brothers did. (The 4 brothers didn't see their 1st birthday.) These two have so much energy-galloping up and down the hall-one minute she's chasing him and then when they reverse directions-he's chasing her! I absolutely love it-not a sneeze or a sniffle since Sept, when they were constantly sick before the treatments. Rosie is 16 months old, Murphy just a few months more. I am only giving the subq injection every 6 weeks now. (It was once a week for 4 weeks in the beginning, then 2 weeks, 4 weeks etc). If I didn't have the Imulan, I have been reading alot of great things about the IV vitamin C therapy-I just read an article that said it cured a bad case of H1N1 in a human-but I didn't try to verify it-there is alot of information out there on the IV vitamin C-I do believe it is worth checking into. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
"Noodles and ninja stars"- that's hilarious! Made me LOL for real. I've had a few like that in my day. And a female like that now. God forbid she should ever need pilling. =8-O -Original Message- From: Diane Rosenfeldt [mailto:drosenfe...@wi.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 6:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries We are so grateful that our one cat who needs meds, Luc, is very mild-mannered. We can drop a pill down his throat with no trouble. In contrast, we are hoping that one of our other cats, Tribble, never gets sick. He has been a hellion since the day he was born (we suspect his brain consists of noodles and ninja stars) and will turn a cuddling session into carnage at a split second's notice. We tell him, "You better never need life-saving pills, cuz, Dude, if you do...it was nice knowing you." (I suspect that if he ever does need meds we'll be praying for a transdermal option.) On the other hand, we've had to assist-feed Luc here and there and he is not a happy camper and has lots and lots and lots of claws. Diane R. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Help - I can't get LTCI in Georgia!
Gary, I used the Mega C Plus on a feral FeLV cat for six months but ultimately he did not seroconvert because it was already in his bone marrow. Had I the opportunity to start megadoses of oral vitamin C at the beginning stages of his virus he would likely still be alive, because like taking C for the common cold, timing is key in stopping the progression of viruses. Ascorbic acid is critical for prevention and optimal health in cats and dogs, but it is nearly impossible to get enough of it into a cat orally to eradicate an aggressive, life-threatening virus once well-established. Cats and dogs make very little vitamin C in the liver compared to most animals, hence the reason they succumb to these diseases. I talked with Wendell Belfield, DVM about his use of this protocol and he confirmed that if the infection/disease/virus is too advanced a more aggressive approach is necessary through sub-Q or IM injections or intravenous infusions. Though an excellent formula, his oral Mega-C Plus contains iron, which can limit the amount than can be used therapeutically. Otherwise, there is no toxic limit for pure ascorbic acid and the more you can get into the cat up to bowel tolerance, the more beneficial. When the body is under stress (animal or human) and fighting illness, more vitamin C is tolerated and necessary to eradicate the disease/virus. The myths about kidney stones, peeing expensive urine, etc., are just that - myths, propagated by those who would stand to lose huge money were ascorbic acid widely accepted and used for eradicating disease. Vitamin C has been known to fight 30 major diseases for over 50 years, and as Wendell Belfield DVM knew well and practiced from the 1960s on, it also cures cat and dog viruses, infection and disease. Giving high doses of sodium ascorbate intravenously to an FeLV cat in the early stages of the disease should permanently eradicate the FeLV virus as it did with FIP in my kitten, and in fact, ANY virus. I am preparing to do just such a trial on the next newly diagnosed FeLV kitten that comes into my care. The key is catching it early and administering enough to permanently destroy the virus. With my two FIP kittens, Chuckie was the first to become symptomatic. We administered IV sodium ascorbate (vitamin C) at 1 gram per pound of body weight (5,000 mg daily) for five days. We stopped the drips when he appeared better, though he soon took a nose dive and by the time my vet opened again he was too far gone from a neurological standpoint. The virus had not been totally eradicated in those five days at that low dose, and when the C was stopped the virus replicated and killed him. When his sister Angelica began to manifest with the same chronic high fevers, weight loss, lack of appetite, and transient neurologic symptoms, a passage in Klenner's Clinical Guide to the Use of Vitamin C grabbed my attention, to wit: ". . . failure to benefit from Vitamin C use is usually due to inadequate amounts being used for too short a period of time." Newly armed with this information, we doubled Angelica's IV C to 2g per pound of body weight so that she was getting 10g daily. We continued the drips daily and on day 7 her 105 fever came down. We continued for 4 more days to make sure the virus was killed and we didn't have a repeat situation as with poor Chuckie. Her fevers remained down through day 11 and then we tapered her off of the C and gave it orally to avoid rebound scurvy. It has been 3 weeks and she is eating well, gaining weight, and totally asymptomatic. Needless to say, she now gets C in her food every day. The difference between the two treatment scenarios is that Chuckie received too many immune-destroying antibiotics and steroids before his official FIP diagnosis returned and by the time we started the IV C drips he was terribly compromised, though he probably would have survived had I only realized that we were administering too little vitamin C for too short a time. When Angelica became sick I went straight to the IV vitamin C as my first line of defense and apparently that, and the proper dosage amount and administration length, were the keys to curing her. I hope this helps some of you. I posted much of this information before but it seemed to be dismissed a priori with few appearing to consider it legitimate or worthy of greater investigation. This is sad, because while everyone continues to talk of what to do for these poor FeLV, FIV, FIP and other sick cats, with a little effort this treatment is available, safe, effective, and inexpensive compared with the typical outlay for these diseases. Is it not worth trying for these cats before accepting that there is no viable cure? Personally, I would much prefer to attempt this protocol to eradicate a virus than to simply treat a cat's immune system just to give it a few extra months before the virus kills it anyway. It's really a no-brainer. You will do your vet a favor by askin
Re: [Felvtalk] Help - I can't get LTCI in Georgia!
Gary, I used the Mega C Plus on a feral FeLV cat for six months but ultimately he did not seroconvert because it was already in his bone marrow. Had I the opportunity to start megadoses of oral vitamin C at the beginning stages of his virus he would likely still be alive, because like taking C for the common cold, timing is key in stopping the progression of viruses. Ascorbic acid is critical for prevention and optimal health in cats and dogs, but it is nearly impossible to get enough of it into a cat orally to eradicate an aggressive, life-threatening virus once well-established. Cats and dogs make very little vitamin C in the liver compared to most animals, hence the reason they succumb to these diseases. I talked with Wendell Belfield, DVM about his use of this protocol and he confirmed that if the infection/disease/virus is too advanced a more aggressive approach is necessary through sub-Q or IM injections or intravenous infusions. Though an excellent formula, his oral Mega-C Plus contains iron, which can limit the amount than can be used therapeutically. Otherwise, there is no toxic limit for pure ascorbic acid and the more you can get into the cat up to bowel tolerance, the more beneficial. When the body is under stress (animal or human) and fighting illness, more vitamin C is tolerated and necessary to eradicate the disease/virus. The myths about kidney stones, peeing expensive urine, etc., are just that - myths, propagated by those who would stand to lose huge money were ascorbic acid widely accepted and used for eradicating disease. Vitamin C has been known to fight 30 major diseases for over 50 years, and as Wendell Belfield DVM knew well and practiced from the 1960s on, it also cures cat and dog viruses, infection and disease. Giving high doses of sodium ascorbate intravenously to an FeLV cat in the early stages of the disease should permanently eradicate the FeLV virus as it did with FIP in my kitten, and in fact, ANY virus. I am preparing to do just such a trial on the next newly diagnosed FeLV kitten that comes into my care. The key is catching it early and administering enough to permanently destroy the virus. With my two FIP kittens, Chuckie was the first to become symptomatic. We administered IV sodium ascorbate (vitamin C) at 1 gram per pound of body weight (5,000 mg daily) for five days. We stopped the drips when he appeared better, though he soon took a nose dive and by the time my vet opened again he was too far gone from a neurological standpoint. The virus had not been totally eradicated in those five days at that low dose, and when the C was stopped the virus replicated and killed him. When his sister Angelica began to manifest with the same chronic high fevers, weight loss, lack of appetite, and transient neurologic symptoms, a passage in Klenner's Clinical Guide to the Use of Vitamin C grabbed my attention, to wit: ". . . failure to benefit from Vitamin C use is usually due to inadequate amounts being used for too short a period of time." Newly armed with this information, we doubled Angelica's IV C to 2g per pound of body weight so that she was getting 10g daily. We continued the drips daily and on day 7 her 105 fever came down. We continued for 4 more days to make sure the virus was killed and we didn't have a repeat situation as with poor Chuckie. Her fevers remained down through day 11 and then we tapered her off of the C and gave it orally to avoid rebound scurvy. It has been 3 weeks and she is eating well, gaining weight, and totally asymptomatic. Needless to say, she now gets C in her food every day. The difference between the two treatment scenarios is that Chuckie received too many immune-destroying antibiotics and steroids before his official FIP diagnosis returned and by the time we started the IV C drips he was terribly compromised, though he probably would have survived had I only realized that we were administering too little vitamin C for too short a time. When Angelica became sick I went straight to the IV vitamin C as my first line of defense and apparently that, and the proper dosage amount and administration length, were the keys to curing her. I hope this helps some of you. I posted much of this information before but it seemed to be dismissed a priori with few appearing to consider it legitimate or worthy of greater investigation. This is sad, because while everyone continues to talk of what to do for these poor FeLV, FIV, FIP and other sick cats, with a little effort this treatment is available, safe, effective, and inexpensive compared with the typical outlay for these diseases. Is it not worth trying for these cats before accepting that there is no viable cure? Personally, I would much prefer to attempt this protocol to eradicate a virus than to simply treat a cat's immune system just to give it a few extra months before the virus kills it anyway. It's really a no-brainer. You will do your vet a favor by askin
Re: [Felvtalk] Help - I can't get LTCI in Georgia!
Very nice summary, Gary, thanks - Gloria On Dec 11, 2009, at 1:34 AM, Gary wrote: How odd. Has your vet spoken to Imulan about this problem? There isn't anything I know for sure that helps a lot other than a good diet and low stress. There are many things that people use with varying success. I just started using Acemannan and had success turning to FeLV positive anemic kittens into what appears to be pretty healthy positive cats. You already know about Interferon. Best Friends uses Immuno Regulin (now available as EqStim) .5 ml sub-q once a month on their positives. I have used Moducare and there is Transfer Factor and several others. There is oral vitamin C using Mega C. Does anything work all the time on every cat? I doubt it and we may be throwing our money away most of the time, who knows? Dr. Belfield claims he cured every positive cat that came through his practice of 30 years with his Mega C. My cats don't seem to like it so I haven't figured out how to dose them with enough to experiment with that. Gary LauraM wrote: As some of you may have read in my post from last week, my vet and I had planned to start Bridget on LTCI. Unfortunately, when my vet tried to order it, there was a problem. For some reason, the GA state vet isn't allowing the drug into the state at this time, for anybody - some legal issue. So.what are my options? I was excited & hopeful about the possibilities of this drug & now Bridget can't have it. What other therapies can you folks recommend? I've used interferon with two cats with no success. Bridget is currently asymptomatic, but I would like to try something, anything, to buy her as much time as possible. I'd appreciate any suggestions. Thanks. Laura ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
LOL...yep, tried that, too.my scars-let me show you them Debbie (COL) "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle" Philo > From: maima...@duo-county.com > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:45:00 -0600 > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries > > Just in case you haven't tried it, gently wrapping a cat in a nice, > thick blanket helps. It may or may not calm the cat but it offers > protection for the person. > On Dec 10, 2009, at 6:11 PM, Debbie Bates wrote: > > > > > OMG, the exact words I said to my Baby Ruben..glad I'm not the only > > one who has had a hellion! But, my oh my, how he owned my heart!! > > > > Debbie (COL) > > "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle" Philo > > > > > > > >> From: drosenfe...@wi.rr.com > >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:37:00 -0600 > >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries > >> > >> We are so grateful that our one cat who needs meds, Luc, is very > >> mild-mannered. We can drop a pill down his throat with no trouble. In > >> contrast, we are hoping that one of our other cats, Tribble, never > >> gets > >> sick. He has been a hellion since the day he was born (we suspect > >> his brain > >> consists of noodles and ninja stars) and will turn a cuddling > >> session into > >> carnage at a split second's notice. We tell him, "You better never > >> need > >> life-saving pills, cuz, Dude, if you do...it was nice knowing > >> you." (I > >> suspect that if he ever does need meds we'll be praying for a > >> transdermal > >> option.) On the other hand, we've had to assist-feed Luc here and > >> there and > >> he is not a happy camper and has lots and lots and lots of claws. > >> > >> Diane R. > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > >> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Chris > >> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 11:58 AM > >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries > >> > >> Welcome to the world of cats-pilling, putting into a carrier for > >> vet trip, > >> getting a cat to eat when they're not in the mood-those are the > >> times you > >> realize that they're a lot smarter & more determined then we humans > >> are! > >> Pilling a cat is an art that most cats seem to be determined for us > >> not to > >> learn-LOL. You can try a compounding pharmacy that will mix up the > >> meds > >> into what they say is a pleasant tasting treat-never worked for me. > >> Pill > >> pockets are great -if your cat likes them. Sneaking a pill in > >> between a > >> couple of soft treats works for a while but they catch on and then > >> will just > >> look at you as you make weird kitty sounds thinking that will help. > >> S, > >> do not feel you are alone. I suspect each of us has had at least > >> one cat > >> for whom pilling was a nightmare. > >> > >> > >> > >> I THINK doxy is that foul tasting drug-but not sure. Try sneaking > >> small > >> pieces of a pill in any kind of delectable people food the kitty > >> likes-ham, > >> turkey, tuna, cheese, anything at all but you have to keep changing > >> it cause > >> the cat will catch on after a couple of times. > >> > >> > >> > >> Christiane Biagi > >> > >> > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > >> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bugrahan > >> Yalvac > >> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:55 AM > >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries > >> > >> > >> > >> Doxycycline 100 MG and Prednisone 5 MG are the pills. > >> > >> > >> > >> He is infected by mycoplasma haemofelis. > >> > >> > >> > >> It looks all so easy to give cats oral medication on the net but > >> those > >> > >> cats are all healty, relaxed, and happy cats who swallow the pills. > >> > >> Mine is doing everything not to swallow anything. > >> > >> > >> > >> Should I take him to the vet again? Am I the only one who cannot > >> > >> manage to medicate a cat orally? > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Gary > >> wrote: > >> > >>> What are the pills? > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Gary > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Bugrahan Yalvac wrote: > >> > > >> > Hi, All, > >> > > >> > I have a FeLV positive cat who adapted me six months ago. A week > ago > >> > he stopped eating and began to taste his litter. I took him to the > vet > >> > and he was tested FeLV positive. Vet gave me steroids and > antibiotics > >> > and I was mixing the pills with his science diet for couple days. > He > >> > was able to eat small entities of science diet for few days. > However > >> > for the last two days he is not eating anything. I tried two > times to > >> > med him through his mount, it didn't work at all. > >> > >>>
