Re: [Felvtalk] Chick feed for litter

2011-07-11 Thread Beth Noren
Thanks, I'll look for that next time I'm there.

Beth N.

On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 3:01 PM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:
 Big 12 pound bags of soda are available at WalMarts/Sams etc---often with
 the swimming pool supplies.  Usually about $6.00.
 On Jul 10, 2011, at 9:39 AM, Lorrie wrote:

 Thanks for the info, Beth.  We have a Tractor Supply about 12 miles
 away, and tho we don't go there often, I want to try this chick feed.
 We live in a very cool climate, so maybe we won't get the weevils or
 sour smell that sometimes comes from wet corn.  I scoop frequently
 too which should help.

 Lorrie

 On 07-09, Beth Noren wrote:

 Yes, I've used Dumor brand Starter/Grower Chick Feed.  I get it
 from Tractor Supply Co., think it was $13.00 for 50lbs? last time I
 got it.  It's a bit of a hike to TSC, so I don't always use it.  Plus.
 my husband complains that it doesn't handle odor well enough.  Pros:
 1.price  2.low dust  3.biodegradable  4.doesn't come from strip
 mining.  5.safer.  Cons: 1.odor control  2.doesn't clump as hard as
 clay  3.doesn't sift as easily as clay  4.some people have problems
 with weevils in it, especially in summer.  Overall I like it,
 especially after paying 40-50 bucks for a much smaller bag of World's
 Best, which is pretty similar.

 Hope this helps,
 Beth N.


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Re: [Felvtalk] cat with rotten teeth

2011-07-11 Thread katskat1
Again, thanks to all of you.  Been a great help.

Called my vet this morning and she is unexpectedly out of office until
the 18th.  Apparently she had family emergency. That's upsetting cause
the kitty who had her eyes removed last Wednesday was supposed to have
sutures out this Wed the 13th.  I guess a few more days with sutures
won't hurt - I kept mine in my knee for almost 4 months cause I was
afraid to get them out.  duh!Oh well.

Surprisingly, Luke is a lover.  Loves to be picked up, loves to be
petted.  But with the apparent pain in her mouth nothing is going to
get into her via syringe or jamming a pill in the back of her throat,
nothing.  Last time I tried it one of her loose teeth fell out so
there was a plus side but I am still putting triple antibiotic cream
on the scratches and I had her wrapped in a bath towel like a mummy!
Afterward she was panting, drooling, vomiting and hid for several
hours.  Not doing that to her or me again.

So I will have to wait until the 18th to get her to the vet but she is
sticking around the yard now and actually was sitting at the door like
she -almost- wanted in so I guess that will have to do

Thanks again cause I was hesitant to do that to her but what the heck.
 If I can have a little 5 week old kittens rotten, ready to rupture
eyes removed I guess I can the rotten teeth of a full grown kitten
pulled~.

Kat


On 7/11/11, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
 Cats have a way of knowing meds are in the food you are giving them.  Unlike
 dogs who gulp it down so fast they never realize meds were in it.
 Medicating Casey is life threatening, I almost need to make a reservation at
 the ER for a couple of pints of blood for me.  She bites, scratches, screams
 and like you said, we are both so worn out, frustrated that it almost seems
 to do more harm than good.  If she needs meds, we head to the vet.  More
 hands to hld her down.  I have gotten a muzzle, but that makes her so angry
 that she won't have anything to do with me for at least a couple of hours.

  Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
 Reply to: felineres...@frontier.com
 In-Reply-To:
 CAArM-_-2ryAGGq9SY-77suew7TtR5qZS+jFj-UAbtGn7pr6A=q...@mail.gmail.com

 Thanks for taking care of Luke. It's very difficult taking
 care of a cat who fights your every effort to help her/hin.
 You are very kind.

 Lorrie

 On 07-09, katskat1 wrote:
  Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take
  Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed.  She is
  obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse.
   She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time
  before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live.
 
  I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside -
   has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are
  ALL negatives.  But she sticks around and I don't have many options.
 
  Now, if only I could successfully medicate her.  She will not eat
  anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with
  any med of any kind.  Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind
  storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are
  breathing hard.  Not good for her.  Or me.  So I am trying to give her
  quality of whatever life she has
 
  Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help.
 
  kat
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

2011-07-11 Thread katskat1
Beth and Natalie

Thanks for the ideas.  I had heard of Chipin but not the Animal Wish
List. Do I just do a search on Animal Wish List to find it?

I didn't want to beg, if feels weird but if these kids need it I
guess I can learn.  My vet is helping me as much as she can but is a
small town vet with no receptionist, no nothing.  Her office is in an
old house in town, one exam room and a countertop with file cabinets
behind it for paperwork.  Surgery is done in a small room in the
basement with her mom helping to monitor heart/breathing, etc.  Sounds
hookie but she does good work.  And she cares.  Asking the $ be sent
directly to her is perfect!  I may give it a shot.

Kat

On 7/10/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 Use www.chipin.com - very easy and people do contribute to just about
 anything!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
 Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:19 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Try putting a plea for vet help on Animal Wish List. It's a Yahoo Group.
 Have funds go directly to the vet. Most vets will work with u on payments.

 katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take
Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed.  She is
obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse.
 She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time
before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live.

I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside -
has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are
ALL negatives.  But she sticks around and I don't have many options.

Now, if only I could successfully medicate her.  She will not eat
anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with
any med of any kind.  Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind
storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are
breathing hard.  Not good for her.  Or me.  So I am trying to give her
quality of whatever life she has

Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help.

kat

On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:
 His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look
 like he is pantingand he does look adorable.  Sorry to give any
 other impression.
 On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote:

 The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth.
 We have
 quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the
 side of
 their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in
 front -
 and looks adorable.  We have some real oldtimers here - started out
 feral
 and are mushes now.
 Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful  I am
 always
 surprised how toothless cats just love dry food!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live
 trapped for neutering.  The vet called me after they put him
 under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth.
 She checked his teeth and they were totally awful.  Most of them were
 pulled.  The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of
 the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing
 his opinion.  He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the
 clan and is so handsome.  He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and
 is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most
 of the time.  He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and
 others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous
 cats.  Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not
 quantity of his life.   As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+.
 On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:

 Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses
 in a bad
 mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of
 the body's
 systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all
 of their
 babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc.

 Diane R.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I
 don't know
 his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male
 brought in
 from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very
 sick
 kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat.  One is a year out from the
 

Re: [Felvtalk] cat with rotten teeth

2011-07-11 Thread Susan Hoffman
A suggestion for medicating difficult cats -- I recently had to get gel caps 
into a timid former feral girl who seems to sprout extra feet and claws when I 
medicate her.  I cut a hole in the end of a pillowcase and put that over her, 
with just her head sticking out of the hole.  That helped.  it still wasn't 
easy.  But it was better.  We actually got through the entire course of 
medication.

--- On Mon, 7/11/11, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] cat with rotten teeth
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 10:29 AM
 Again, thanks to all of you. 
 Been a great help.
 
 Called my vet this morning and she is unexpectedly out of
 office until
 the 18th.  Apparently she had family emergency. That's
 upsetting cause
 the kitty who had her eyes removed last Wednesday was
 supposed to have
 sutures out this Wed the 13th.  I guess a few more
 days with sutures
 won't hurt - I kept mine in my knee for almost 4 months
 cause I was
 afraid to get them out.  duh!    Oh well.
 
 Surprisingly, Luke is a lover.  Loves to be picked up,
 loves to be
 petted.  But with the apparent pain in her mouth
 nothing is going to
 get into her via syringe or jamming a pill in the back of
 her throat,
 nothing.  Last time I tried it one of her loose teeth
 fell out so
 there was a plus side but I am still putting triple
 antibiotic cream
 on the scratches and I had her wrapped in a bath towel like
 a mummy!
 Afterward she was panting, drooling, vomiting and hid for
 several
 hours.  Not doing that to her or me again.
 
 So I will have to wait until the 18th to get her to the vet
 but she is
 sticking around the yard now and actually was sitting at
 the door like
 she -almost- wanted in so I guess that will have to do
 
 Thanks again cause I was hesitant to do that to her but
 what the heck.
  If I can have a little 5 week old kittens rotten, ready to
 rupture
 eyes removed I guess I can the rotten teeth of a full grown
 kitten
 pulled~.
 
 Kat
 
 
 On 7/11/11, dlg...@windstream.net
 dlg...@windstream.net
 wrote:
  Cats have a way of knowing meds are in the food you
 are giving them.  Unlike
  dogs who gulp it down so fast they never realize meds
 were in it.
  Medicating Casey is life threatening, I almost need to
 make a reservation at
  the ER for a couple of pints of blood for me. 
 She bites, scratches, screams
  and like you said, we are both so worn out, frustrated
 that it almost seems
  to do more harm than good.  If she needs meds, we
 head to the vet.  More
  hands to hld her down.  I have gotten a muzzle,
 but that makes her so angry
  that she won't have anything to do with me for at
 least a couple of hours.
 
   Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
 wrote:
  Reply to: felineres...@frontier.com
  In-Reply-To:
 
 CAArM-_-2ryAGGq9SY-77suew7TtR5qZS+jFj-UAbtGn7pr6A=q...@mail.gmail.com
 
  Thanks for taking care of Luke. It's very
 difficult taking
  care of a cat who fights your every effort to help
 her/hin.
  You are very kind.
 
  Lorrie
 
  On 07-09, katskat1 wrote:
   Thanks to all I have decided if I can find
 the $ I am going to take
   Luke to the vet and have some/all of her
 rotten teeth removed.  She is
   obviously in discomfort and her breath has
 gotten progressively worse.
    She is ratty looking and apparently has
 been sickly for a long time
   before I started feeding her as a stray but
 she still wants to live.
  
   I was very apprehensive about doing this to a
 cat that stays outside -
    has to - won't come in, fights to get
 back out and my inside cats are
   ALL negatives.  But she sticks around
 and I don't have many options.
  
   Now, if only I could successfully medicate
 her.  She will not eat
   anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet
 food, treats, NOTHING with
   any med of any kind.  Trying to syringe
 her is like fighting a wind
   storm with lots of claws and then we are both
 so stressed we are
   breathing hard.  Not good for her. 
 Or me.  So I am trying to give her
   quality of whatever life she has
  
   Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will
 help.
  
   kat
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] cat with rotten teeth

2011-07-11 Thread MaiMaiPG
Consider putting out some plain full fat yogurt for Luke...with  
probiotics.  Might make him feel better.

On Jul 11, 2011, at 12:29 PM, katskat1 wrote:


Again, thanks to all of you.  Been a great help.

Called my vet this morning and she is unexpectedly out of office until
the 18th.  Apparently she had family emergency. That's upsetting cause
the kitty who had her eyes removed last Wednesday was supposed to have
sutures out this Wed the 13th.  I guess a few more days with sutures
won't hurt - I kept mine in my knee for almost 4 months cause I was
afraid to get them out.  duh!Oh well.

Surprisingly, Luke is a lover.  Loves to be picked up, loves to be
petted.  But with the apparent pain in her mouth nothing is going to
get into her via syringe or jamming a pill in the back of her throat,
nothing.  Last time I tried it one of her loose teeth fell out so
there was a plus side but I am still putting triple antibiotic cream
on the scratches and I had her wrapped in a bath towel like a mummy!
Afterward she was panting, drooling, vomiting and hid for several
hours.  Not doing that to her or me again.

So I will have to wait until the 18th to get her to the vet but she is
sticking around the yard now and actually was sitting at the door like
she -almost- wanted in so I guess that will have to do

Thanks again cause I was hesitant to do that to her but what the heck.
If I can have a little 5 week old kittens rotten, ready to rupture
eyes removed I guess I can the rotten teeth of a full grown kitten
pulled~.

Kat


On 7/11/11, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
Cats have a way of knowing meds are in the food you are giving  
them.  Unlike

dogs who gulp it down so fast they never realize meds were in it.
Medicating Casey is life threatening, I almost need to make a  
reservation at
the ER for a couple of pints of blood for me.  She bites,  
scratches, screams
and like you said, we are both so worn out, frustrated that it  
almost seems
to do more harm than good.  If she needs meds, we head to the vet.   
More
hands to hld her down.  I have gotten a muzzle, but that makes her  
so angry
that she won't have anything to do with me for at least a couple of  
hours.


 Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

Reply to: felineres...@frontier.com
In-Reply-To:
CAArM-_-2ryAGGq9SY-77suew7TtR5qZS+jFj-UAbtGn7pr6A=q...@mail.gmail.com

Thanks for taking care of Luke. It's very difficult taking
care of a cat who fights your every effort to help her/hin.
You are very kind.

Lorrie

On 07-09, katskat1 wrote:

Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take
Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed.   
She is
obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively  
worse.

She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time
before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to  
live.


I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays  
outside -
has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats  
are
ALL negatives.  But she sticks around and I don't have many  
options.


Now, if only I could successfully medicate her.  She will not eat
anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING  
with

any med of any kind.  Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind
storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are
breathing hard.  Not good for her.  Or me.  So I am trying to  
give her

quality of whatever life she has

Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help.

kat



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Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

2011-07-11 Thread Natalie
No, just go to www.chipin.com - instructions right there on how to proceed
point by point!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 1:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

Beth and Natalie

Thanks for the ideas.  I had heard of Chipin but not the Animal Wish
List. Do I just do a search on Animal Wish List to find it?

I didn't want to beg, if feels weird but if these kids need it I
guess I can learn.  My vet is helping me as much as she can but is a
small town vet with no receptionist, no nothing.  Her office is in an
old house in town, one exam room and a countertop with file cabinets
behind it for paperwork.  Surgery is done in a small room in the
basement with her mom helping to monitor heart/breathing, etc.  Sounds
hookie but she does good work.  And she cares.  Asking the $ be sent
directly to her is perfect!  I may give it a shot.

Kat

On 7/10/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 Use www.chipin.com - very easy and people do contribute to just about
 anything!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
 Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:19 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Try putting a plea for vet help on Animal Wish List. It's a Yahoo Group.
 Have funds go directly to the vet. Most vets will work with u on payments.

 katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take
Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed.  She is
obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse.
 She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time
before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live.

I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside -
has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are
ALL negatives.  But she sticks around and I don't have many options.

Now, if only I could successfully medicate her.  She will not eat
anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with
any med of any kind.  Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind
storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are
breathing hard.  Not good for her.  Or me.  So I am trying to give her
quality of whatever life she has

Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help.

kat

On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:
 His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look
 like he is pantingand he does look adorable.  Sorry to give any
 other impression.
 On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote:

 The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth.
 We have
 quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the
 side of
 their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in
 front -
 and looks adorable.  We have some real oldtimers here - started out
 feral
 and are mushes now.
 Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful  I am
 always
 surprised how toothless cats just love dry food!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live
 trapped for neutering.  The vet called me after they put him
 under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth.
 She checked his teeth and they were totally awful.  Most of them were
 pulled.  The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of
 the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing
 his opinion.  He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the
 clan and is so handsome.  He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and
 is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most
 of the time.  He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and
 others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous
 cats.  Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not
 quantity of his life.   As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+.
 On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:

 Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses
 in a bad
 mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of
 the body's
 systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all
 of their
 babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc.

 Diane R.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 

Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

2011-07-11 Thread katskat1
Thanks Natalie. I meant the Yahoo group Beth mentioned, Animal
Wish List.  You have to have a PayPal account to use Chipin and I
don't have one.  And I wouldn't want to create and use one if I want
the money to go directly to my vet right?  She would have to have an
account?  Don't know if she does, if I can/should set one up for her
(she is out of town), etc.

I will work on it tho cause I can use the help for Luke.

Kat

On 7/11/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 No, just go to www.chipin.com - instructions right there on how to proceed
 point by point!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1
 Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 1:53 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Beth and Natalie

 Thanks for the ideas.  I had heard of Chipin but not the Animal Wish
 List. Do I just do a search on Animal Wish List to find it?

 I didn't want to beg, if feels weird but if these kids need it I
 guess I can learn.  My vet is helping me as much as she can but is a
 small town vet with no receptionist, no nothing.  Her office is in an
 old house in town, one exam room and a countertop with file cabinets
 behind it for paperwork.  Surgery is done in a small room in the
 basement with her mom helping to monitor heart/breathing, etc.  Sounds
 hookie but she does good work.  And she cares.  Asking the $ be sent
 directly to her is perfect!  I may give it a shot.

 Kat

 On 7/10/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 Use www.chipin.com - very easy and people do contribute to just about
 anything!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
 Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:19 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Try putting a plea for vet help on Animal Wish List. It's a Yahoo Group.
 Have funds go directly to the vet. Most vets will work with u on payments.

 katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take
Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed.  She is
obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse.
 She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time
before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live.

I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside -
has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are
ALL negatives.  But she sticks around and I don't have many options.

Now, if only I could successfully medicate her.  She will not eat
anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with
any med of any kind.  Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind
storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are
breathing hard.  Not good for her.  Or me.  So I am trying to give her
quality of whatever life she has

Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help.

kat

On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:
 His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look
 like he is pantingand he does look adorable.  Sorry to give any
 other impression.
 On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote:

 The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth.
 We have
 quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the
 side of
 their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in
 front -
 and looks adorable.  We have some real oldtimers here - started out
 feral
 and are mushes now.
 Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful  I am
 always
 surprised how toothless cats just love dry food!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live
 trapped for neutering.  The vet called me after they put him
 under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth.
 She checked his teeth and they were totally awful.  Most of them were
 pulled.  The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of
 the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing
 his opinion.  He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the
 clan and is so handsome.  He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and
 is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most
 of the time.  He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and
 others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous
 cats.  Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not
 quantity of his life.   As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+.
 On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:

 Yes, in cats (and in humans) the 

Re: [Felvtalk] cat with rotten teeth

2011-07-11 Thread Edna Taylor

Sounds like she might have stomatitis.  We have two cats with that and they 
both had all but their canines pulled and both are doing 100% better now.
 

 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 13:29:51 -0400
 From: katsk...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] cat with rotten teeth
 
 Again, thanks to all of you. Been a great help.
 
 Called my vet this morning and she is unexpectedly out of office until
 the 18th. Apparently she had family emergency. That's upsetting cause
 the kitty who had her eyes removed last Wednesday was supposed to have
 sutures out this Wed the 13th. I guess a few more days with sutures
 won't hurt - I kept mine in my knee for almost 4 months cause I was
 afraid to get them out. duh! Oh well.
 
 Surprisingly, Luke is a lover. Loves to be picked up, loves to be
 petted. But with the apparent pain in her mouth nothing is going to
 get into her via syringe or jamming a pill in the back of her throat,
 nothing. Last time I tried it one of her loose teeth fell out so
 there was a plus side but I am still putting triple antibiotic cream
 on the scratches and I had her wrapped in a bath towel like a mummy!
 Afterward she was panting, drooling, vomiting and hid for several
 hours. Not doing that to her or me again.
 
 So I will have to wait until the 18th to get her to the vet but she is
 sticking around the yard now and actually was sitting at the door like
 she -almost- wanted in so I guess that will have to do
 
 Thanks again cause I was hesitant to do that to her but what the heck.
 If I can have a little 5 week old kittens rotten, ready to rupture
 eyes removed I guess I can the rotten teeth of a full grown kitten
 pulled~.
 
 Kat
 
 
 On 7/11/11, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
  Cats have a way of knowing meds are in the food you are giving them. Unlike
  dogs who gulp it down so fast they never realize meds were in it.
  Medicating Casey is life threatening, I almost need to make a reservation at
  the ER for a couple of pints of blood for me. She bites, scratches, screams
  and like you said, we are both so worn out, frustrated that it almost seems
  to do more harm than good. If she needs meds, we head to the vet. More
  hands to hld her down. I have gotten a muzzle, but that makes her so angry
  that she won't have anything to do with me for at least a couple of hours.
 
   Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
  Reply to: felineres...@frontier.com
  In-Reply-To:
  CAArM-_-2ryAGGq9SY-77suew7TtR5qZS+jFj-UAbtGn7pr6A=q...@mail.gmail.com
 
  Thanks for taking care of Luke. It's very difficult taking
  care of a cat who fights your every effort to help her/hin.
  You are very kind.
 
  Lorrie
 
  On 07-09, katskat1 wrote:
   Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take
   Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed. She is
   obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse.
   She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time
   before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live.
  
   I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside -
   has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are
   ALL negatives. But she sticks around and I don't have many options.
  
   Now, if only I could successfully medicate her. She will not eat
   anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with
   any med of any kind. Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind
   storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are
   breathing hard. Not good for her. Or me. So I am trying to give her
   quality of whatever life she has
  
   Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help.
  
   kat
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

2011-07-11 Thread Beth
Go to groups.yahoo.com  search for it. It is for individuals needing help with 
pets. No rescue groups.

katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

Beth and Natalie

Thanks for the ideas.  I had heard of Chipin but not the Animal Wish
List. Do I just do a search on Animal Wish List to find it?

I didn't want to beg, if feels weird but if these kids need it I
guess I can learn.  My vet is helping me as much as she can but is a
small town vet with no receptionist, no nothing.  Her office is in an
old house in town, one exam room and a countertop with file cabinets
behind it for paperwork.  Surgery is done in a small room in the
basement with her mom helping to monitor heart/breathing, etc.  Sounds
hookie but she does good work.  And she cares.  Asking the $ be sent
directly to her is perfect!  I may give it a shot.

Kat

On 7/10/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 Use www.chipin.com - very easy and people do contribute to just about
 anything!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
 Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:19 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Try putting a plea for vet help on Animal Wish List. It's a Yahoo Group.
 Have funds go directly to the vet. Most vets will work with u on payments.

 katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take
Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed.  She is
obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse.
 She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time
before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live.

I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside -
has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are
ALL negatives.  But she sticks around and I don't have many options.

Now, if only I could successfully medicate her.  She will not eat
anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with
any med of any kind.  Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind
storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are
breathing hard.  Not good for her.  Or me.  So I am trying to give her
quality of whatever life she has

Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help.

kat

On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:
 His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look
 like he is pantingand he does look adorable.  Sorry to give any
 other impression.
 On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote:

 The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth.
 We have
 quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the
 side of
 their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in
 front -
 and looks adorable.  We have some real oldtimers here - started out
 feral
 and are mushes now.
 Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful  I am
 always
 surprised how toothless cats just love dry food!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live
 trapped for neutering.  The vet called me after they put him
 under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth.
 She checked his teeth and they were totally awful.  Most of them were
 pulled.  The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of
 the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing
 his opinion.  He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the
 clan and is so handsome.  He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and
 is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most
 of the time.  He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and
 others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous
 cats.  Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not
 quantity of his life.   As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+.
 On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:

 Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses
 in a bad
 mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of
 the body's
 systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all
 of their
 babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc.

 Diane R.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

 Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I
 don't know
 his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male
 brought in
 

Re: [Felvtalk] Great Topic: Husbands and cats

2011-07-11 Thread Bonnie Hogue
That's a beautiful story, Tazzy.  Thanks.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: ter...@tazzys.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Great Topic: Husbands and cats

My father was not a cat person, but when he became very ill and needed me
sometimes thru the night he would ring a glass bell we kept by his bed.
Snuggles went to his room about 3 months before he passed and would not
leave his bed.  He stayed on the foot and when father rang the bell, he
would come into my room to get me.  He would wake me if I had not heard the
bell and if I had, he would walk in front of me and turn ever so often and
meow as if to say hurry.  The Sunday morning father passed, Snug left his
room afterwards and never went back.  He passed the next week.  It was as if
he had a mission, it was completed and now he could go also.  They do know,
even better than we do when it is time for someone to leave.
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