Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI

[Marcia Baronda]

Wow...I just looked this stuff up! Have any you used it? It sounds like 
something to definitely look into. I think i'm gonna ask my vet about it. Thank 
you hideyo! 

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On Aug 29, 2011, at 3:42 PM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO  wrote:

> Where do you guys get LTCI?
> the distributor that my vet uses now only carry 3 vials set - they used to 
> have 10 vials as it is much chepaer that way- could you tell me where is the 
> best place to get LTCI?
>  
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Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI

[Marcia Baronda]

What is LTCI ?

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On Aug 29, 2011, at 3:42 PM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO  wrote:

> Where do you guys get LTCI?
> the distributor that my vet uses now only carry 3 vials set - they used to 
> have 10 vials as it is much chepaer that way- could you tell me where is the 
> best place to get LTCI?
>  
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Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Where do you guys get LTCI?
the distributor that my vet uses now only carry 3 vials set - they used to have 
10 vials as it is much chepaer that way- could you tell me where is the best 
place to get LTCI?
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!

[MaiMaiPG]

On Aug 29, 2011, at 3:36 PM, MaiMaiPG wrote:

Education can get people to look for alternatives...the more  
education, the harder (hopefully) they will look.  I really believe  
that there are times it is best for the cat--sorry, I know a lot of  
you disagree--and my boys have their claws as have most of my cats.   
The boys were tiny when they adopted me and we have had numerous  
lessons and I buy things that are difficult to harm/I won't be  
devastated if they are scratched etc.  There are two 8 foot pieces  
of foam insulation in the garage that they have claimed and there  
are several doorways (rustic log house, plank trim, if they ever  
scratch through a piece I'll spend $70-80 and replace it).


People need to think things out.  If possessions are that important  
then maybe they need fish or a ..And yes, I have a lot of  
very nice things that would break my heart to loose.  They are in  
glass cabinets or are not reachable.  Unfortunately, a lot of people  
think these little guys are disposable and without a soul.  I feel  
sorry for those people.

On Aug 29, 2011, at 12:21 PM, Beth wrote:

Our shelter does not allow our cats to be declawed. We tell them  
about declawing , offer free nail clipping at the shelter, or  
suggest they adopt an already declawed cat.
I don't  agree with having laws against declawing. I think you will  
just end up with more cats being dumped in shelters of outside. I  
think education is the best way to get people away from declawing.


Beth
Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org


From: tamara stickler 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is  
illegal!


I never place a rescue cat with a person if they are going to  
declaw - BUT - I DO offer free nail clipping for the duration for  
any cats that I place in homes (as long as they are local...w/in  
1.5 hrs.) for the life of the cat.


I even have a woman who I turned down for cat adoption - that  
adopted from a shelter later - that asks me to come over once or  
twice a month to clip the cat's nails.  She still doesn't  
understand HOW or WHY it is inhumane - even after I explained it to  
herbut - it really doesn't matter.  She is allowing her cat to  
keep it's nails a long as I clip them - so- I'm willing to do that.


Terri - WAY TO GO standing your ground!  - even if it did cost you  
an apt. and job.  Good kharma will be the pay off for you!


Tamara

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Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!

[Peggy Verdonck]

I'm from the Netherlands. Its illegal to declaw there. People who want to
have it done anyway will bring them to Belgium to have it done. :-/

On Aug 29, 2011 12:25 PM, "Beth"  wrote:
> Our shelter does not allow our cats to be declawed. We tell them about
declawing , offer free nail clipping at the shelter, or suggest they adopt
an already declawed cat.
> I don't  agree with having laws against declawing. I think you will just
end up with more cats being dumped in shelters of outside. I think education
is the best way to get people away from declawing.
>
>
> Beth
>
> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
>
>
>
> 
> From: tamara stickler 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!
>
>
> I never place a rescue cat with a person if they are going to declaw - BUT
- I DO offer free nail clipping for the duration for any cats that I place
in homes (as long as they are local...w/in 1.5 hrs.) for the life of the
cat.
>
> I even have a woman who I turned down for cat adoption - that adopted from
a shelter later - that asks me to come over once or twice a month to clip
the cat's nails.  She still doesn't understand HOW or WHY it is inhumane -
even after I explained it to herbut - it really doesn't matter.  She is
allowing her cat to keep it's nails a long as I clip them - so- I'm willing
to do that.
>
> Terri - WAY TO GO standing your ground!  - even if it did cost you an apt.
and job.  Good kharma will be the pay off for you!
>
> Tamara
>
> --- On Sat, 8/27/11, Natalie  wrote:
>
>
>>From: Natalie 
>>Subject: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!
>>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>Date: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 9:44 AM
>>
>>
>>
>>A question about which states do NOT allow declawing:
http://cats.about.com/od/declawing/f/uslaws.htm
>>A list of countries where declawing is illegal:
http://www.declawing.com/list.html
>>From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown
>>Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:52 PM
>>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
>>
>>Paws come with claws.  Period.  I once lost a job opportunity (which came
with a free apartment) because the owner wanted me to declaw.  I told him:
 "Unfortunately for you, it will NEVER happen, because I believe it's
cruelty to animals."
>>
>>Needless to say, I never got called for a second interview.
>>
>>And I'd do it again.
>>
>>I think I was about 37 at the time.  I've always had a big mouth.
>>
>>=^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6
furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^=
>>- Original Message -
>>>From:Natalie
>>>To:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>>Sent:Friday, August 26, 2011 8:04 PM
>>>Subject:Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
>>>
>>>I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously- it is the most
devastating thing for a cat.  Knowing what I do, I would be more heartbroken
doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, trust me.  I wonder
how a cat would feel if
>>>he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having
their paws mutilated?  According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote The Cat
that Cried for Help, after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme pain
that they either climb the walls of the cage or sit completely morose and
cowering in the corner, something that their owners will never see.  I have
a copy of an article written for NY Times Magazine a few years ago, where a
woman writes about declawing her older cat because her mother's oriental rug
was being scratched up.  It is one of my hand-out's to adopters - the story
is heartbreaking, and very typical.  After the hurricane is over, I will
scan it and post it.  It is probably the best I've read, without going into
the gory details of declawing.
>>>Natalie
>>>
>>>From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
>>>Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:22 PM
>>>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
>>>
>>>Sorry!  This is a 62 email thread in gmail.  I don't know how your email
program organizes stuff.  Anyway I did not look at the date.
>>>
>>>I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally to
death after being given away, and honestly in that case I'd rather declaw
them.  Hopefully I will not need to make that choice.
>>>On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Natalie  wrote:
>>>OMG - you are responding to a post from March..I thought that I was going
crazy and somehow missed a whole thread of talking about declawing, NOW!
>>>There are also some apartments that allow cats ONLY if they are
declawed.I guess they prefer taking their chances of those cats peeing
everywhere instead of possibly

Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!

[Beth]

Our shelter does not allow our cats to be declawed. We tell them about 
declawing , offer free nail clipping at the shelter, or suggest they adopt an 
already declawed cat.
I don't  agree with having laws against declawing. I think you will just end up 
with more cats being dumped in shelters of outside. I think education is the 
best way to get people away from declawing.

 
Beth

Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
 



From: tamara stickler 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!


I never place a rescue cat with a person if they are going to declaw - BUT - I 
DO offer free nail clipping for the duration for any cats that I place in homes 
(as long as they are local...w/in 1.5 hrs.) for the life of the cat.
 
I even have a woman who I turned down for cat adoption - that adopted from a 
shelter later - that asks me to come over once or twice a month to clip the 
cat's nails.  She still doesn't understand HOW or WHY it is inhumane - even 
after I explained it to herbut - it really doesn't matter.  She is allowing 
her cat to keep it's nails a long as I clip them - so- I'm willing to do that.
 
Terri - WAY TO GO standing your ground!  - even if it did cost you an apt. and 
job.  Good kharma will be the pay off for you!  
 
Tamara

--- On Sat, 8/27/11, Natalie  wrote:


>From: Natalie 
>Subject: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Date: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 9:44 AM
>
>
> 
>A question about which states do NOT allow declawing: 
>http://cats.about.com/od/declawing/f/uslaws.htm 
>A list of countries where declawing is illegal: 
>http://www.declawing.com/list.html
>From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
>[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown
>Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:52 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
>  
>Paws come with claws.  Period.  I once lost a job opportunity (which came with 
>a free apartment) because the owner wanted me to declaw.  I told him:  
>"Unfortunately for you, it will NEVER happen, because I believe it's cruelty 
>to animals."
> 
>Needless to say, I never got called for a second interview.
> 
>And I'd do it again.
> 
>I think I was about 37 at the time.  I've always had a big mouth.
> 
>=^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 
>furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^=
>- Original Message - 
>>From:Natalie 
>>To:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>>Sent:Friday, August 26, 2011 8:04 PM
>>Subject:Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
>> 
>>I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously- it is the most 
>>devastating thing for a cat.  Knowing what I do, I would be more heartbroken 
>>doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, trust me.  I wonder how 
>>a cat would feel if  
>>he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having their 
>>paws mutilated?  According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote The Cat that 
>>Cried for Help, after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme pain that 
>>they either climb the walls of the cage or sit completely morose and cowering 
>>in the corner, something that their owners will never see.  I have a copy of 
>>an article written for NY Times Magazine a few years ago, where a woman 
>>writes about declawing her older cat because her mother's oriental rug was 
>>being scratched up.  It is one of my hand-out's to adopters - the story is 
>>heartbreaking, and very typical.  After the hurricane is over, I will scan it 
>>and post it.  It is probably the best I've read, without going into the gory 
>>details of declawing. 
>>Natalie 
>>  
>>From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
>>[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
>>Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:22 PM
>>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
>>  
>>Sorry!  This is a 62 email thread in gmail.  I don't know how your email 
>>program organizes stuff.  Anyway I did not look at the date.
>>
>>I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally to death 
>>after being given away, and honestly in that case I'd rather declaw them.  
>>Hopefully I will not need to make that choice.   
>>On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Natalie  wrote:
>>OMG - you are responding to a post from March..I thought that I was going 
>>crazy and somehow missed a whole thread of talking about declawing, NOW!
>>There are also some apartments that allow cats ONLY if they are declawed.I 
>>guess they prefer taking their chances of those cats peeing everywhere 
>>instead of possibly scratching something, and it would most likely be the 
>>tenants' own furniture!
>>I would rather give my cat away than declaw it - especially when it's an 

Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

[Beth]

A posiitve IFA means it's replicating in the bone marrow, so no further testing 
is usually required, but I don't hink I would trust an IFA on an 8-week old 
kitten.

Beth

 
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From: Maureen Olvey 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 2:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats


 
Seems like I heard that kittens should be retested at 6 months.  Not sure 
though.

Many kittens have URI and coccidia, which is usually what Albon is for.  I've 
had some people tell me that their cats went months before they actually had a 
solid poop.  That could be from anything.  So if the Albon doesn't help don't 
be too worried, just keep trying things.  It could be the food, other parasites 
just so many things.  Have to be careful about diarrhea because it's easy for 
kittens to get dehydrated.  So make sure it's getting enough water and let the 
vet show you how to tell if they're dehydrated by pulling up the skin to test 
the elasticity.

If the URI doesn't get  better after a couple rounds of Clavamox ask for a 
stronger antibiotic.  I don't think vets like to give too strong an antibiotic 
to a kitten but you do have to get rid of the URI so sometimes there's nothing 
else to do.  Also antibiotics are notorious for giving cats diarrhea.

With any FeLV kitty you have to be worried about each thing that they battle so 
I don't know about the prognosis.  I wouldn't think those things would be too 
much more serious for a FeLV kitten than any other kitten but I don't know for 
sure.  If the clavamox is helping then that's a good sign.

So many kittens have lived longer than the expected 3.5 years so you never know 
how long the kitten will live.  It seems to be a coin toss.  But, there are so 
many things out there to help the immune system deal with whatever FeLV throws 
their way so keep that in mind and be positive.

Maybe someone else has more specific advise on supplements or anything else to 
help the kitten get over it's health problems right now.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain




Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 21:28:46 -0700
From: ccarlsb...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

Can someone please give me some advice on the 8 week old kitty I rescued from 
the shelter? IFA and ELISA + FELV. What do you all think about that prognosis?? 
He is on Clavamax for URI, which is slightly improving, still very 
sneezy-snotty, Albon, Metrodione (?) for diarrhea, which has not improved, and 
also L-Lysine/Duralactin gel.
When should I re-test?


On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 8:59 PM,  wrote:

I think itis time to retest Annie and Nitnoy with the  IFA and Elisa.  It has 
been 1 year for Nitnoy and over 3 for Annie.
>
> Marcia Baronda  wrote:
>> No Kiddingmy thoughts exactly. And I am just learning this, because you
>> can't find any info like this in any books or on any websites about felv.
>> All of you have a wealth of info here and a LOT of statistics!!
>> Just think what that would look like all compiled together.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Christiane Biagi 
>> wrote:
>>
>> >  You know, not for nothing, but this testing is really really flawed!
>> > There are just too many stories of folks with inconsistent results.  Life
>> > and death decisions are made everyday based on these tests and all of us 
>> > who
>> > have felv+ cats know the tests to be a bit shaky.  My own Tucson tested neg
>> > at about 3 months & post years later even though she’d never been exposed 
>> > to
>> > the outside or any pos cats…..
>> >
>> > ** **
>> >
>> > *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
>> > felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Beth
>> > *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:15 PM
>> > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> >
>> > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
>> >
>> >   ** **
>> >
>> > I would retest the 1st one on the Elisa just to be sure.
>> >
>> >  
>> >
>> > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org *
>> > ***
>> >
>> >  
>> >
>> > ** **
>> >   --
>> >
>> > *From:* Natalie 
>> > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> > *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:00 PM
>> > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
>> >
>> > Ours had only the ELISA, positive….2 ½ yrs later, the IFA – negative.
>> >
>> > New cat had ELISA, then IFA three wks later – both were positive.  He had
>> > the IFA again 1 ½ yrs later – negative!
>> >
>> >  
>> >
>> > *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 

Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!

[tamara stickler]

I never place a rescue cat with a person if they are going to declaw - BUT - I 
DO offer free nail clipping for the duration for any cats that I place in homes 
(as long as they are local...w/in 1.5 hrs.) for the life of the cat.
 
I even have a woman who I turned down for cat adoption - that adopted from a 
shelter later - that asks me to come over once or twice a month to clip the 
cat's nails.  She still doesn't understand HOW or WHY it is inhumane - even 
after I explained it to herbut - it really doesn't matter.  She is allowing 
her cat to keep it's nails a long as I clip them - so- I'm willing to do that.
 
Terri - WAY TO GO standing your ground!  - even if it did cost you an apt. and 
job.  Good kharma will be the pay off for you!  
 
Tamara

--- On Sat, 8/27/11, Natalie  wrote:


From: Natalie 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 9:44 AM






A question about which states do NOT allow declawing: 
http://cats.about.com/od/declawing/f/uslaws.htm 
A list of countries where declawing is illegal: 
http://www.declawing.com/list.html 


From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
 


Paws come with claws.  Period.  I once lost a job opportunity (which came with 
a free apartment) because the owner wanted me to declaw.  I told him:  
"Unfortunately for you, it will NEVER happen, because I believe it's cruelty to 
animals."

 

Needless to say, I never got called for a second interview.

 

And I'd do it again.

 

I think I was about 37 at the time.  I've always had a big mouth.

 

=^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 
furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^=


- Original Message - 

From: Natalie 

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 8:04 PM

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

 
I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously- it is the most 
devastating thing for a cat.  Knowing what I do, I would be more heartbroken 
doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, trust me.  I wonder how a 
cat would feel if 
he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having their paws 
mutilated?  According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote The Cat that Cried for 
Help, after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme pain that they either 
climb the walls of the cage or sit completely morose and cowering in the 
corner, something that their owners will never see.  I have a copy of an 
article written for NY Times Magazine a few years ago, where a woman writes 
about declawing her older cat because her mother's oriental rug was being 
scratched up.  It is one of my hand-out's to adopters - the story is 
heartbreaking, and very typical.  After the hurricane is over, I will scan it 
and post it.  It is probably the best I've read, without going into the gory 
details of declawing.
Natalie
 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
 
Sorry!  This is a 62 email thread in gmail.  I don't know how your email 
program organizes stuff.  Anyway I did not look at the date.

I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally to death 
after being given away, and honestly in that case I'd rather declaw them.  
Hopefully I will not need to make that choice.  

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Natalie  wrote:


OMG - you are responding to a post from March..I thought that I was going crazy 
and somehow missed a whole thread of talking about declawing, NOW!
There are also some apartments that allow cats ONLY if they are declawed.I 
guess they prefer taking their chances of those cats peeing everywhere instead 
of possibly scratching something, and it would most likely be the tenants' own 
furniture!
I would rather give my cat away than declaw it - especially when it's an older 
cat - it's so much harder on them (not that it isn't on young(er) cats).
There needs to be a lot of education on declawing and what the 
psychological/emotional and physical effects can take be.  We have had a few 
abandoned declawed cats, and I have witnessed almost all of them...but all the 
damage had already been done, and what was I to do - throw them out or kill 
them?  I found some homes that understood the ramifications and dealt with the 
problems as well as they could.


From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
Keep Cats Indoors
 Because if the owner has to go into the nursing home and is fortunate enough 
to find one where they ca

Re: [Felvtalk] Renters

[MaiMaiPG]

Check the law before you set age limits, kid limits, etc.  It may  
differ from place to place and situation to situation

On Aug 29, 2011, at 5:54 AM, Lorrie wrote:


On 08-28, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:


That sounds like a good idea.  RE:  rental, have you had good luck
with the people you rent to?  Can you specify no loud music after a
certain hour, only people in you age range?


I've had some good and some bad luck.  The people who gave the place
the horrible flea infestation had several cats and a big lab dog. The
dog brought in the fleas when she went outside, and since they were
very lax about flea control the place became horribly infested. They
were also slobs and hoarders and the dog crapped on the floor because
they didn't walk her often enough. Cleaning up the place after them
was a nightmare!

After that I had a very neat renter who kept the place spotless and
had one cat and a cute little short haired dog who was kept flea
free. She left a few months ago, and since then we've been renovating
the apt. It's just about finished and I'm advertising it soon, as it
must rented by winter so I don't have to pay the utilities :-(

As for loud music etc. It's no problem because the apartment is not
in my house.  It's on the second story of the big two story building
I bought in town. The first floor is my cat shelter. I made it into a
home like setting for my overflow of rescued cats. It has furniture,
climbing posts, window ledges, and large cat condos. There are many
rooms for the cats to run around in, NO CAGES, so they really good
have a good life. I wish they all had individual homes, but I know
they'd be dead by now if I hadn't taken them in as they were all
abandoned when I rescued them.

It has cost me a small fortune to buy this building and heat it, plus
the money I spend for vet bills, food and litter is several hundred
dollars a month, but it's what I want to do with a small inheritance
my parents left me.  Ironically, my parents were not animal people,
and I often wonder how they'd feel about the way I'm spending the
interest from my inheritance.

Lorrie


 Natalie  wrote:



Well, you could enforce the no-flea rule by insisting that the dog
is treated with proof. You could even charge the extra amount for
flea products and just hand it to them.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

[Marcia Baronda]

Crystal
It sounds like the kitten is on metronidazole for the diarrhea. That usually 
eliminates it. Since Im new here I can't address the felv. I'm just 
learning.(-:  I can tell you that some probiotics would definitely help. There 
is also a product called diarrhea control gel by Van Beek. It DOES work. It is 
a mixture of herbs so you may want to discuss it with your vet, or call Van 
Beek and talk with them also. The antibiotics that your kitten are taking will 
destroy the good bacteria in his digestive tract. They are the first defense 
agains disease. There is Benebac pet gel for starters. I think there is one 
specifically for cats. Poor little baby. He's very lucky to have you!
Oh, I forgot to mention, should you decide to get the control gel, get the one 
for cats and give half the dose. It,s cheaper than buying the one for kittens(-:

Take care
Marcia
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On Aug 28, 2011, at 11:28 PM, "Crystal C. Beecher"  wrote:

> Can someone please give me some advice on the 8 week old kitty I rescued from 
> the shelter? IFA and ELISA + FELV. What do you all think about that 
> prognosis?? He is on Clavamax for URI, which is slightly improving, still 
> very sneezy-snotty, Albon, Metrodione (?) for diarrhea, which has not 
> improved, and also L-Lysine/Duralactin gel.
> When should I re-test?
> 
> On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 8:59 PM,  wrote:
> I think itis time to retest Annie and Nitnoy with the  IFA and Elisa.  It has 
> been 1 year for Nitnoy and over 3 for Annie.
> 
>  Marcia Baronda  wrote:
> > No Kiddingmy thoughts exactly. And I am just learning this, because you
> > can't find any info like this in any books or on any websites about felv.
> > All of you have a wealth of info here and a LOT of statistics!!
> > Just think what that would look like all compiled together.
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Christiane Biagi 
> > wrote:
> >
> > >  You know, not for nothing, but this testing is really really flawed!
> > > There are just too many stories of folks with inconsistent results.  Life
> > > and death decisions are made everyday based on these tests and all of us 
> > > who
> > > have felv+ cats know the tests to be a bit shaky.  My own Tucson tested 
> > > neg
> > > at about 3 months & post years later even though she’d never been exposed 
> > > to
> > > the outside or any pos cats…..
> > >
> > > ** **
> > >
> > > *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
> > > felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Beth
> > > *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:15 PM
> > > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > >
> > > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
> > >
> > >   ** **
> > >
> > > I would retest the 1st one on the Elisa just to be sure.
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org *
> > > ***
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > > ** **
> > >   --
> > >
> > > *From:* Natalie 
> > > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:00 PM
> > > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
> > >
> > > Ours had only the ELISA, positive….2 ½ yrs later, the IFA – negative.
> > >
> > > New cat had ELISA, then IFA three wks later – both were positive.  He had
> > > the IFA again 1 ½ yrs later – negative!
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > > *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
> > > felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Beth
> > > *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:25 AM
> > > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > > Natalie, were they also re-tested with an Elisa? A negative IFA does NOT
> > > mean they don't have the virus. It just means it isn't replicating in 
> > > their
> > > bone marrow.
> > >
> > >  Beth
> > >
> > > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org *
> > > ***
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >  
> > >   --
> > >
> > > *From:* Natalie 
> > > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2011 3:39 PM
> > > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
> > >
> > > I got a FeLV+ cat 3/2 yrs ago…couldn’t find anyone to take him, he was 
> > > very
> > > lonely.  After two yrs alone, I found another FeLV+ cat – they became
> > > friends overnight.  A few months ago, I decided to retest them, using the
> > > IFA – they were both negative.  Just imagine, how lucky I was – one of 
> > > them
> > > could have been positive, and I would have exposed the healthy one to 
> > > FeLV!
> > > The strange thing is that the new cat had also had the IFA, but it was 
> > > done
> > > to soon after the positive ELISA.
> > >
> > > Once you know that your cat is definitely positive, get another definitely
> > > positive cat for company.  Chances are great that kittens of a FeLV+ 
> > > mother

[Felvtalk] Renters

[Lorrie]

On 08-28, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

> That sounds like a good idea.  RE:  rental, have you had good luck
> with the people you rent to?  Can you specify no loud music after a
> certain hour, only people in you age range?

I've had some good and some bad luck.  The people who gave the place
the horrible flea infestation had several cats and a big lab dog. The
dog brought in the fleas when she went outside, and since they were
very lax about flea control the place became horribly infested. They
were also slobs and hoarders and the dog crapped on the floor because
they didn't walk her often enough. Cleaning up the place after them 
was a nightmare!  

After that I had a very neat renter who kept the place spotless and
had one cat and a cute little short haired dog who was kept flea
free. She left a few months ago, and since then we've been renovating
the apt. It's just about finished and I'm advertising it soon, as it
must rented by winter so I don't have to pay the utilities :-(

As for loud music etc. It's no problem because the apartment is not
in my house.  It's on the second story of the big two story building
I bought in town. The first floor is my cat shelter. I made it into a
home like setting for my overflow of rescued cats. It has furniture,
climbing posts, window ledges, and large cat condos. There are many
rooms for the cats to run around in, NO CAGES, so they really good
have a good life. I wish they all had individual homes, but I know
they'd be dead by now if I hadn't taken them in as they were all
abandoned when I rescued them.

It has cost me a small fortune to buy this building and heat it, plus
the money I spend for vet bills, food and litter is several hundred
dollars a month, but it's what I want to do with a small inheritance
my parents left me.  Ironically, my parents were not animal people,
and I often wonder how they'd feel about the way I'm spending the
interest from my inheritance.

Lorrie

>  Natalie  wrote: 

>  Well, you could enforce the no-flea rule by insisting that the dog
>  is treated with proof. You could even charge the extra amount for
>  flea products and just hand it to them.

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