Re: [Felvtalk] PJ needs a home

[Lance]

I would also be willing to give a little money for PJ to be able to fly in 
coach.

On Jun 10, 2013, at 7:20 PM, Lee Evans  wrote:

> It would not be right to send him in cargo and the very long road trip would 
> be stressful. Could you get some donations to fly him with a person as their 
> "pet" in an airline regulation carrier? I would be willing to contribute $10 
> to that cause. He actually may turn from FeLv+ to just FIV+ if kept for two 
> months and retested. You can also contact Best Friends. They may donate his 
> airfare or part of it. Cargo could be a death sentence for a cat who needs a 
> stable environment. Sometimes it's not climate controlled and is either 
> sweltering or freezing. Crated dogs could bark all the way from NJ. It's like 
> cat hell. I'm in San Antonio, TX, have 2 cats who tested neg. for FeLv after 
> being kept for two months and re-tested. Wish I could take the sweet boy but 
> I have 40 cats here in my foster/forever/rescued group.
> 
>  
> Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty 
> neighbors too!
> 

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Re: [Felvtalk] PJ needs a home

[Lee Evans]

http://www.gofundme.com/35qsb0 You might want to try raising money for PJ using 
this online service. It's free. We just raised over $200 for surgery on the 
broken leg of a poor little stray Chihuahua mix.


 
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>
> From: "lernermiche...@aol.com" 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 6:21 PM
>Subject: [Felvtalk] PJ needs a home
> 
>
>
>My rescue trapped PJ, who is not feral but is timid, and he needs a home. He 
>is orange and double positive and 4-5 years old. He is in NJ.
>
>Best Friends has, miraculously, agreed to take him, and if we cannot find him 
>a home we will send him there within the month. However, he will have to 
>endure either being flown by cargo and then driven several hours, or being 
>driven 3-5 days via ground transport with many different drivers. It's across 
>the country. This is hard enough for a negative cat, but I am afraid that 
>level of stress for an already timid cat will crash him given his status. 
>Right now, though, it is our only option.
>
>So I am writing the list one more time in case there is someone out there 
>within a reasonable distance of NJ who would be interested in adopting him. He 
>seems fine with other cats. I do not think he will ever be a lap cat, but he 
>might. He does love being brushed-- will get up and turn around to get us to 
>brush his other side, lol. But he stays in a corner and is scared. 
>
>I can send a picture to anyone interested.
>
>thanks,
>
>Michelle L.
>Flanders, NJ
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] PJ needs a home

[Lee Evans]

It would not be right to send him in cargo and the very long road trip would be 
stressful. Could you get some donations to fly him with a person as their "pet" 
in an airline regulation carrier? I would be willing to contribute $10 to that 
cause. He actually may turn from FeLv+ to just FIV+ if kept for two months and 
retested. You can also contact Best Friends. They may donate his airfare or 
part of it. Cargo could be a death sentence for a cat who needs a stable 
environment. Sometimes it's not climate controlled and is either sweltering or 
freezing. Crated dogs could bark all the way from NJ. It's like cat hell. I'm 
in San Antonio, TX, have 2 cats who tested neg. for FeLv after being kept for 
two months and re-tested. Wish I could take the sweet boy but I have 40 cats 
here in my foster/forever/rescued group.


 
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>
> From: "lernermiche...@aol.com" 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 6:21 PM
>Subject: [Felvtalk] PJ needs a home
> 
>
>
>My rescue trapped PJ, who is not feral but is timid, and he needs a home. He 
>is orange and double positive and 4-5 years old. He is in NJ.
>
>Best Friends has, miraculously, agreed to take him, and if we cannot find him 
>a home we will send him there within the month. However, he will have to 
>endure either being flown by cargo and then driven several hours, or being 
>driven 3-5 days via ground transport with many different drivers. It's across 
>the country. This is hard enough for a negative cat, but I am afraid that 
>level of stress for an already timid cat will crash him given his status. 
>Right now, though, it is our only option.
>
>So I am writing the list one more time in case there is someone out there 
>within a reasonable distance of NJ who would be interested in adopting him. He 
>seems fine with other cats. I do not think he will ever be a lap cat, but he 
>might. He does love being brushed-- will get up and turn around to get us to 
>brush his other side, lol. But he stays in a corner and is scared. 
>
>I can send a picture to anyone interested.
>
>thanks,
>
>Michelle L.
>Flanders, NJ
>
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[Felvtalk] PJ needs a home

[lernermichelle]

My rescue trapped PJ, who is not feral but is timid, and he needs a home. He is 
orange and double positive and 4-5 years old. He is in NJ.

Best Friends has, miraculously, agreed to take him, and if we cannot find him a 
home we will send him there within the month. However, he will have to endure 
either being flown by cargo and then driven several hours, or being driven 3-5 
days via ground transport with many different drivers. It's across the country. 
This is hard enough for a negative cat, but I am afraid that level of stress 
for an already timid cat will crash him given his status. Right now, though, it 
is our only option.

So I am writing the list one more time in case there is someone out there 
within a reasonable distance of NJ who would be interested in adopting him. He 
seems fine with other cats. I do not think he will ever be a lap cat, but he 
might. He does love being brushed-- will get up and turn around to get us to 
brush his other side, lol. But he stays in a corner and is scared. 

I can send a picture to anyone interested.

thanks,

Michelle L.
Flanders, NJ
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Re: [Felvtalk] Treatment Protocols

[Lance]

On Jun 10, 2013, at 6:20 AM, Margo  wrote:

> I'm still trying to figure out why there isn't more info about 
> treating FeLV. The usual volume of research I can dig up on a 
> disease/condition just isn't there. Because nothing works? Because most Vets 
> and owners don't treat? Because FeLV isn't often diagnosed in cats that are 
> "healthy" enough to warrant treatment? I don't know. 

Historically, I think most owners and vets didn't treat. It was considered a 
"death sentence" until recently (last 10-15 years?). There are still vets who 
see it that way. And, as you said, it's probably also because FeLV is often 
seen in cats who are not doing well, which was the case of our FeLV+, Sadie. 
The vet urged euthanasia. 

If owners don't treat, then there isn't much money in it, and independent 
studies seem to need lots of money, even if they're modest. Companies also have 
to bother to perform studies themselves, and if they can skate by with just a 
provisional nod from the proper body, they can sell their drug, and the cash 
may be the only thing they really care about. 

T-Cyte is a good example of a company that, from what we can tell, doesn't seem 
to care to set up full trials. I'm fairly sure that Virbac have not paid for 
the required trials in the US, and that this is why Virbagen Omega isn't 
available here. If it we could get VO here, American FeLV+ owners could get it 
cheaper and faster (we wouldn't have to clear it through the FDA, and we 
wouldn't have to have it shipped overnight from England).
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Re: [Felvtalk] Treatment Protocols

[Michele Fougeres]

I'm sorry, I meant Lance, not Margo :S

From: atomicbetti...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 08:45:55 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Treatment Protocols




Hi everyone, this is Michele from South America. 
Margo, I just wanted to share my thoughts about your mail. Everything you said 
is frustratingly true. But for us here in the south of the continent, it's even 
worst. In Ecuador, they haven't even allowed the FeLV vaccine yet, so no vet 
can offer it to patients. We have no formal treatment for FeLV, so the cats end 
up using the same medication that is given to AIDS patients. The name of the 
medicine is Isoprinosine (Immunovir), and according to my research, it works as 
ImmunoRegulin but for $12 dollars a bottle: 
http://phoenixrising.me/treating-cfs-chronic-fatigue-syndrome-me/immune/antivirals-and-immunemodulators/treating-chronic-fatigue-syndrome-isoprinosine-immunovir-by-cort-johnson(that's
 the only info in English I could find).
My FeLV + cat was on Isoprinosine for a month and a half and now he's 
completely asymptomatic, he displays high levels of energy, is playful and 
always hungry. I hope he continues to improve, he's only one year old and I 
suspect he was recently infected with the FeLV virus when I rescued him.
I'm following closely the research for RetroMAD1, the so called wonder drug 
from Malasya. It's still not approved by the FDA but the research continues and 
maybe we will have it soon. I'm trying to get my vet interested to see if he 
wants to be a part of the research team, as the scientist who's conducting the 
investigation is apparently searching for vets in other countries that might 
want to try the medicine with their symptomatic patients in a medicine for data 
exchange program.
I can't understand why there is no more research being done when our beloved 
pets are dying every year because of FeLV and Fiv, Ecuador is just an example 
of how behind we are in everything regarding this illness,  and it's not an 
isolated case, several countries here in the south are in the same situation. 
The only test we have to diagnose if a cat is positive is the Elisa, there's 
nothing more available.
Big hugs to everyone, and thanks for sharing.
Michéle



> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 07:20:22 -0400
> From: toomanykitti...@earthlink.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Treatment Protocols
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> >From: Lance 
> >Sent: Jun 9, 2013 1:14 PM
> >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Treatment Protocols
> >
> >.>ImmunoRegulin - I believe I spoke to Dr. Thomas (an article about her use 
> >of IR is listed on that page) about ImmunoRegulin. If I remember right, she 
> >hasn't used the drug for cats in a long time, but I don't think this was due 
> >to any problem with it. She still said it had done some good.
> 
>  I contacted Dr. Thomas in March about IR, and she seems to feel it's 
> the best way to go with a symptomatic cat. By the time I got the IR that, 
> Gribble was improving, so we are holding that in reserve.
> 
>  I'm still trying to figure out why there isn't more info about 
> treating FeLV. The usual volume of research I can dig up on a 
> disease/condition just isn't there. Because nothing works? Because most Vets 
> and owners don't treat? Because FeLV isn't often diagnosed in cats that are 
> "healthy" enough to warrant treatment? I don't know. 
> 
>  I'll try to remember to ask my Vet today. I don't know that she's 
> ever tried to treat FeLV before.
> 
> Margo
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Re: [Felvtalk] Treatment Protocols

[Michele Fougeres]

Hi everyone, this is Michele from South America. 
Margo, I just wanted to share my thoughts about your mail. Everything you said 
is frustratingly true. But for us here in the south of the continent, it's even 
worst. In Ecuador, they haven't even allowed the FeLV vaccine yet, so no vet 
can offer it to patients. We have no formal treatment for FeLV, so the cats end 
up using the same medication that is given to AIDS patients. The name of the 
medicine is Isoprinosine (Immunovir), and according to my research, it works as 
ImmunoRegulin but for $12 dollars a bottle: 
http://phoenixrising.me/treating-cfs-chronic-fatigue-syndrome-me/immune/antivirals-and-immunemodulators/treating-chronic-fatigue-syndrome-isoprinosine-immunovir-by-cort-johnson(that's
 the only info in English I could find).
My FeLV + cat was on Isoprinosine for a month and a half and now he's 
completely asymptomatic, he displays high levels of energy, is playful and 
always hungry. I hope he continues to improve, he's only one year old and I 
suspect he was recently infected with the FeLV virus when I rescued him.
I'm following closely the research for RetroMAD1, the so called wonder drug 
from Malasya. It's still not approved by the FDA but the research continues and 
maybe we will have it soon. I'm trying to get my vet interested to see if he 
wants to be a part of the research team, as the scientist who's conducting the 
investigation is apparently searching for vets in other countries that might 
want to try the medicine with their symptomatic patients in a medicine for data 
exchange program.
I can't understand why there is no more research being done when our beloved 
pets are dying every year because of FeLV and Fiv, Ecuador is just an example 
of how behind we are in everything regarding this illness,  and it's not an 
isolated case, several countries here in the south are in the same situation. 
The only test we have to diagnose if a cat is positive is the Elisa, there's 
nothing more available.
Big hugs to everyone, and thanks for sharing.
Michéle



> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 07:20:22 -0400
> From: toomanykitti...@earthlink.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Treatment Protocols
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> >From: Lance 
> >Sent: Jun 9, 2013 1:14 PM
> >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Treatment Protocols
> >
> >.>ImmunoRegulin - I believe I spoke to Dr. Thomas (an article about her use 
> >of IR is listed on that page) about ImmunoRegulin. If I remember right, she 
> >hasn't used the drug for cats in a long time, but I don't think this was due 
> >to any problem with it. She still said it had done some good.
> 
>  I contacted Dr. Thomas in March about IR, and she seems to feel it's 
> the best way to go with a symptomatic cat. By the time I got the IR that, 
> Gribble was improving, so we are holding that in reserve.
> 
>  I'm still trying to figure out why there isn't more info about 
> treating FeLV. The usual volume of research I can dig up on a 
> disease/condition just isn't there. Because nothing works? Because most Vets 
> and owners don't treat? Because FeLV isn't often diagnosed in cats that are 
> "healthy" enough to warrant treatment? I don't know. 
> 
>  I'll try to remember to ask my Vet today. I don't know that she's 
> ever tried to treat FeLV before.
> 
> Margo
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescuing Kittens and Positive Kitty w/ Flatulence

[Beth]

Our shelter tests on intake on the snap test. Positives are immediately 
re-tested to make sure there was no error. If retest is positive we do an IFA. 
If the IFA is negative we wait & retest on the snap
In an ideal world all rescues that tested negative would be quarantined for 3 
months & rested to make sure they really are negative, since the virus can take 
3 months to show up on the snap test. But that just is not feasible.

I don't have any suggestions on your second question.

Beth


 
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 From: Amanda K. Payne 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 4:57 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescuing Kittens and Positive Kitty w/ Flatulence
 


Hi Everyone!

I have two questions today regarding FeLV.

First, for anyone who has worked in the rescue world, what is your testing 
protocol?  I volunteer w/ several cat/kitten rescues in Los Angeles.  I 
recently found a litter in my garage and they're staying in my guest room until 
I can find a foster.  I have two FeLV+ cats so I'm overly cautious and don't 
want other cats in the house, even if they're in the spare room away from my 
cats.  One of the rescues found another foster for the litter but the new 
foster has a cat.  I got to talking to her about FeLV and now she won't take 
the kittens without them being tested--which I TOTALLY agree with. However, the 
rescue doesn't seem to think it necessary.  Am I just paranoid?  I think all 
cats and kittens should be tested before being introduced into a new household. 
 However, I feel like an ass for talking too much because I may have wrecked 
their potential foster home. I also know that testing isn't the most economical 
thing to do--LAAS doesn't even
 test their animals until they are adopted out. How does everyone feel about 
testing vs. not testing?

Also, my girl, Polli (the one who wasn't eating a few weeks ago) has terrible 
gas.  It clears the room.  She's eating, drinking and using the litter box 
fine. She's always had problems with flatulence but now that she's showing 
signs of leukemia related illnesses, I once again just want to make sure it's 
not a sign of something bigger.  Anyone have FeLV kitties with gas?  Or a gassy 
cat for that matter?

Talk to ya'll soon and I hope everyone's kitties are doing well!

Best,
-Amanda

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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescuing Kittens and Positive Kitty w/ Flatulence

[Margo]

Hi Amanda
 
  Has Polli eaten the Blue Buffalo before without issue? I'm focusing on that, as it seems pretty high carb, with many different carb sources. 
 
"Deboned Chicken, Chicken Meal, Oatmeal, Whole Ground Brown Rice, Whole Ground Barley, Chicken Fat (preserved with Mixed Tocopherols), Salmon Meal, Menhaden Fish Meal (source of DHA-Docosahexaenoic Acid), Dried Egg, Natural Chicken Flavor, Whole Potatoes, Peas, Whole Carrots, Whole Sweet Potatoes, Cranberries, Blueberries, Flaxseed(source of Omega 3 and 6 Fatty Acids), Barley Grass, Dried Parsley, Alfalfa Meal, Dried Kelp, Taurine, Yucca Schidigera Extract,"
 
  Three grains in the first 5 (really 4, they're splitting with the chicken). 7 fruits/veggies. And flaxseed. Any of those can cause digestive issues leading to gas. They usually don't, most cats can live with them, but maybe Polli just isn't up to it.
 
  You say she's eating some Tiki? Are you offering any other canned? Tiki seems to be a good food, but my cats don't care for it. In my way on thinking, even less expensive canned (but still without grains, fruits or veggies) is still a better choice than dry with so many grains, but it sure is tough to switch a picky cat. Are you in a position where you could offer a different dry food, a little next to her Blue Buffalo? Perhaps a different canned?
 
   Obviously another soap-box for me 
 
Margo
 
-Original Message- From: "Amanda K. Payne" Sent: Jun 9, 2013 9:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescuing Kittens and Positive Kitty w/ Flatulence 
Margo,

I agree with you.  I think every rescue and shelter should test prior adopting a cat out or placing it in a foster home where it will mingle with resident cats.  Unfortunately, Los Angeles Animal Services (LAAS) and many other cat rescues feel it's unnecessary.  I'm going to try to find veterinarians or RVTs in the area who are willing to donate or discount their services so that I can talk some of these rescues into testing.  

As for Polli, she's a picky eater these days.  She drinks a lot of fresh water and is eating Blue Buffalo Healthy Living dry food.  Occasionally, she'll actually eat her Tiki Cat instead of just liking the gravy off.  She's also obsessed with Temptations Treats--not the healthiest snacks but she loves them and we indulge it.  I give her Pet-Tinic twice a day to help with her anemia and Viralys in the morning.  

Thanks, Margo!

-Amanda



On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Margo  wrote:



Oh Dear !
 
  I forgot about Polli. I apologize for that, I meant to include it.
 
  What Is Polli eating? Drinking? Meds, supplements?
 
>^..^<

 
-Original Message- From: "Amanda K. Payne" Sent: Jun 9, 2013 4:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescuing Kittens and Positive Kitty w/ Flatulence 
Hi Everyone! 

I have two questions today regarding FeLV.

First, for anyone who has worked in the rescue world, what is your testing protocol?  I volunteer w/ several cat/kitten rescues in Los Angeles.  I recently found a litter in my garage and they're staying in my guest room until I can find a foster.  I have two FeLV+ cats so I'm overly cautious and don't want other cats in the house, even if they're in the spare room away from my cats.  One of the rescues found another foster for the litter but the new foster has a cat.  I got to talking to her about FeLV and now she won't take the kittens without them being tested--which I TOTALLY agree with. However, the rescue doesn't seem to think it necessary.  Am I just paranoid?  I think all cats and kittens should be tested before being introduced into a new household.  However, I feel like an ass for talking too much because I may have wrecked their potential foster home. I also know that testing isn't the most economical thing to do--LAAS doesn't even test their animals until they are adopted out. How does everyone feel about testing vs. not testing?

Also, my girl, Polli (the one who wasn't eating a few weeks ago) has terrible gas.  It clears the room.  She's eating, drinking and using the litter box fine. She's always had problems with flatulence but now that she's showing signs of leukemia related illnesses, I once again just want to make sure it's not a sign of something bigger.  Anyone have FeLV kitties with gas?  Or a gassy cat for that matter?

Talk to ya'll soon and I hope everyone's kitties are doing well!

Best,
-Amanda
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Re: [Felvtalk] Treatment Protocols

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-Original Message-
>From: Lance 
>Sent: Jun 9, 2013 1:14 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Treatment Protocols
>
>.>ImmunoRegulin - I believe I spoke to Dr. Thomas (an article about her use of 
>IR is listed on that page) about ImmunoRegulin. If I remember right, she 
>hasn't used the drug for cats in a long time, but I don't think this was due 
>to any problem with it. She still said it had done some good.

 I contacted Dr. Thomas in March about IR, and she seems to feel it's 
the best way to go with a symptomatic cat. By the time I got the IR that, 
Gribble was improving, so we are holding that in reserve.

 I'm still trying to figure out why there isn't more info about 
treating FeLV. The usual volume of research I can dig up on a disease/condition 
just isn't there. Because nothing works? Because most Vets and owners don't 
treat? Because FeLV isn't often diagnosed in cats that are "healthy" enough to 
warrant treatment? I don't know. 

 I'll try to remember to ask my Vet today. I don't know that she's ever 
tried to treat FeLV before.

Margo

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