Re: [Felvtalk] Kokonut Felv+

[Amani Oakley]

Olivia

Expect an uphill battle with your vet. Keep Kokonut on the Doxy and 
Prednisolone, but add the Winstrol at 2 mg a day. I obtained the Winstrol in 
quick-dissolve tablets and Ardy got it in a liquid in salmon-flavour. Either 
way, the vet will have to order it from a compounding pharmacy.

Amani

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Sent: May-15-16 10:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kokonut Felv+

Thank you for all the great info !! Kokonut is taking Doxcycline and Prednisone 
it is her 6th day on her medication but not much improvement . The bottle 
states steroid . I will be taking her back to the vet with my new great 
recommendations 

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> On May 15, 2016, at 10:24 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> Olivia
> 
> It is a slow process. Once you get a bit of food into Kokonuts, she will 
> hopefully start feeling better. Keep feeding her small amounts at multiple 
> times of the day, if you can. Ask the vet to give her subcutaneous fluids or 
> to show you how to do it at home (t is pretty easy). She is probably 
> dehydrated as well as not eating well. Good for you to get the Pedialyte into 
> her - that is exactly what she needs - electrolytes - but with subcutaneous 
> fluids, there is a much faster uptake of the fluids, body-wide, then if it is 
> given orally. 
> 
> See if her stool is coming out regularly. If not, consider asking the vet for 
> Metoclopromide. As I mentioned in another post, FeLV often negatively impacts 
> the intestinal tract and causes the stool to slow down. The Metoclopromide 
> helps to empty the stomach and increases peristaltic action which moves the 
> stool along and this makes the cat feel a bit better after a meal.
> 
> I strongly suggest the Winstrol if nothing else but to increase appetite and 
> feeling better. That boost alone will go miles to helping your cat fight this 
> battle.
> 
> Amani 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of . .
> Sent: May-15-16 12:46 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kokonut Felv+
> 
> How long has anyone ever syringe fed a cat . How long will it take a cat to 
> feel better weeks ,months? Please share thanks 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 15, 2016, at 10:52 AM, Rachel Dagner  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Olivia, 
>> 
>> So sorry your baby isn't feeling good. Syringe feeding in very important are 
>> you using the ad hills food? I know it's hard to get a lot of food in and 
>> this is high calorie. When I was syringe feeding Tucker I took him to get 
>> fluids under the skin a couple of times and my vet only charges $14 to do 
>> it. My thoughts are that vets treat the symptoms but sometimes forget that 
>> we also need to treat the underlying problems. Which in our case is felv 
>> which causes a poor immune system.  
>> I would say find something to boost the immune system as well. Since you are 
>> syringing you can just add supplements right to the food. I syringe Tucker a 
>> tiny bit of food twice everyday mixed with his supplements. My suggestion 
>> would be if cost is an issue to try something like Life Gold immunity. It 
>> equals out to about $10 a month, if you have deeper pockets I would do 
>> Vitality Science Advanced Immune Support, both of these companies offer a 
>> ninety day money back guarantee. You can do some research on products look 
>> and the ingredients and find something you feel comfortable with. I would 
>> give supplements not only while sick but as a maintenance to keep my kitties 
>> immune system strong, and fighting. I hope kokonut feels better soon and 
>> starts eating on her own. Keep us posted! 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 14, 2016, at 9:56 PM,  
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Try baby food, just make sure it has no onion or garlic in it.
>>> 
>>>  Miss Olivia Valencia  wrote: 
 My cat is Kokonut 1/yo. She is Felv+. She got ill the other day, she had a 
 fever of 105. took her to vet . The vet gave her metacam,doxycycline & 
 depo medrol Her fever has come down a little. But she hasn't been eating & 
 just been laying in the same spot for the last couple of days. My sister 
 has been syringe feeding & hydrating her & also giving her some pedialyte. 
 Any other recommendations-For food & staying hydrating?  frown emoticon 
 has anybody else experienced this? whats to be expected?
>>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kokonut Felv+

[. .]

Thank you for all the great info !! Kokonut is taking Doxcycline and Prednisone 
it is her 6th day on her medication but not much improvement . The bottle 
states steroid . I will be taking her back to the vet with my new great 
recommendations 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 15, 2016, at 10:24 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> Olivia
> 
> It is a slow process. Once you get a bit of food into Kokonuts, she will 
> hopefully start feeling better. Keep feeding her small amounts at multiple 
> times of the day, if you can. Ask the vet to give her subcutaneous fluids or 
> to show you how to do it at home (t is pretty easy). She is probably 
> dehydrated as well as not eating well. Good for you to get the Pedialyte into 
> her - that is exactly what she needs - electrolytes - but with subcutaneous 
> fluids, there is a much faster uptake of the fluids, body-wide, then if it is 
> given orally. 
> 
> See if her stool is coming out regularly. If not, consider asking the vet for 
> Metoclopromide. As I mentioned in another post, FeLV often negatively impacts 
> the intestinal tract and causes the stool to slow down. The Metoclopromide 
> helps to empty the stomach and increases peristaltic action which moves the 
> stool along and this makes the cat feel a bit better after a meal.
> 
> I strongly suggest the Winstrol if nothing else but to increase appetite and 
> feeling better. That boost alone will go miles to helping your cat fight this 
> battle.
> 
> Amani 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of . .
> Sent: May-15-16 12:46 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kokonut Felv+
> 
> How long has anyone ever syringe fed a cat . How long will it take a cat to 
> feel better weeks ,months? Please share thanks 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 15, 2016, at 10:52 AM, Rachel Dagner  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Olivia, 
>> 
>> So sorry your baby isn't feeling good. Syringe feeding in very important are 
>> you using the ad hills food? I know it's hard to get a lot of food in and 
>> this is high calorie. When I was syringe feeding Tucker I took him to get 
>> fluids under the skin a couple of times and my vet only charges $14 to do 
>> it. My thoughts are that vets treat the symptoms but sometimes forget that 
>> we also need to treat the underlying problems. Which in our case is felv 
>> which causes a poor immune system.  
>> I would say find something to boost the immune system as well. Since you are 
>> syringing you can just add supplements right to the food. I syringe Tucker a 
>> tiny bit of food twice everyday mixed with his supplements. My suggestion 
>> would be if cost is an issue to try something like Life Gold immunity. It 
>> equals out to about $10 a month, if you have deeper pockets I would do 
>> Vitality Science Advanced Immune Support, both of these companies offer a 
>> ninety day money back guarantee. You can do some research on products look 
>> and the ingredients and find something you feel comfortable with. I would 
>> give supplements not only while sick but as a maintenance to keep my kitties 
>> immune system strong, and fighting. I hope kokonut feels better soon and 
>> starts eating on her own. Keep us posted! 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 14, 2016, at 9:56 PM,  
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Try baby food, just make sure it has no onion or garlic in it.
>>> 
>>>  Miss Olivia Valencia  wrote: 
 My cat is Kokonut 1/yo. She is Felv+. She got ill the other day, she had a 
 fever of 105. took her to vet . The vet gave her metacam,doxycycline & 
 depo medrol Her fever has come down a little. But she hasn't been eating & 
 just been laying in the same spot for the last couple of days. My sister 
 has been syringe feeding & hydrating her & also giving her some pedialyte. 
 Any other recommendations-For food & staying hydrating?  frown emoticon 
 has anybody else experienced this? whats to be expected?
>>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kokonut Felv+

[Amani Oakley]

Olivia

It is a slow process. Once you get a bit of food into Kokonuts, she will 
hopefully start feeling better. Keep feeding her small amounts at multiple 
times of the day, if you can. Ask the vet to give her subcutaneous fluids or to 
show you how to do it at home (t is pretty easy). She is probably dehydrated as 
well as not eating well. Good for you to get the Pedialyte into her - that is 
exactly what she needs - electrolytes - but with subcutaneous fluids, there is 
a much faster uptake of the fluids, body-wide, then if it is given orally. 

See if her stool is coming out regularly. If not, consider asking the vet for 
Metoclopromide. As I mentioned in another post, FeLV often negatively impacts 
the intestinal tract and causes the stool to slow down. The Metoclopromide 
helps to empty the stomach and increases peristaltic action which moves the 
stool along and this makes the cat feel a bit better after a meal.

I strongly suggest the Winstrol if nothing else but to increase appetite and 
feeling better. That boost alone will go miles to helping your cat fight this 
battle.

Amani 

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of . .
Sent: May-15-16 12:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kokonut Felv+

How long has anyone ever syringe fed a cat . How long will it take a cat to 
feel better weeks ,months? Please share thanks 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 15, 2016, at 10:52 AM, Rachel Dagner  wrote:
> 
> Hi Olivia, 
> 
> So sorry your baby isn't feeling good. Syringe feeding in very important are 
> you using the ad hills food? I know it's hard to get a lot of food in and 
> this is high calorie. When I was syringe feeding Tucker I took him to get 
> fluids under the skin a couple of times and my vet only charges $14 to do it. 
> My thoughts are that vets treat the symptoms but sometimes forget that we 
> also need to treat the underlying problems. Which in our case is felv which 
> causes a poor immune system.  
> I would say find something to boost the immune system as well. Since you are 
> syringing you can just add supplements right to the food. I syringe Tucker a 
> tiny bit of food twice everyday mixed with his supplements. My suggestion 
> would be if cost is an issue to try something like Life Gold immunity. It 
> equals out to about $10 a month, if you have deeper pockets I would do 
> Vitality Science Advanced Immune Support, both of these companies offer a 
> ninety day money back guarantee. You can do some research on products look 
> and the ingredients and find something you feel comfortable with. I would 
> give supplements not only while sick but as a maintenance to keep my kitties 
> immune system strong, and fighting. I hope kokonut feels better soon and 
> starts eating on her own. Keep us posted! 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 14, 2016, at 9:56 PM,   
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Try baby food, just make sure it has no onion or garlic in it.
>> 
>>  Miss Olivia Valencia  wrote: 
>>> My cat is Kokonut 1/yo. She is Felv+. She got ill the other day, she had a 
>>> fever of 105. took her to vet . The vet gave her metacam,doxycycline & depo 
>>> medrol Her fever has come down a little. But she hasn't been eating & just 
>>> been laying in the same spot for the last couple of days. My sister has 
>>> been syringe feeding & hydrating her & also giving her some pedialyte. Any 
>>> other recommendations-For food & staying hydrating?  frown emoticon has 
>>> anybody else experienced this? whats to be expected?
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Rachel

Truth be told, I would much rather be with my cats than working well into the 
night at my office. I am awaiting the arrival of a new baby who I am told is 
palliative. She has cancer. I am going to do my best to make her happy and 
comfortable, but I have never simply accepted a death sentence so I will see 
what I can do when she arrives.

I am looking forward to any feedback on a website where we can gather the 
necessary information to help others with FeLV cats.

Amani



From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: May-15-16 11:34 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol

I have googled you, you are the only one on here that I can put a face to a 
name! Can we post pictures when we send messages?

Yes, not all lawyers are bad. Lol I am glad you do something you believe in and 
that is fulfilling and helps people. Probably makes all of the hours worth it. 
That and you love kitties and help people on here with theirs when you have so 
little time tells me you are a wonderful person with a huge heart and a 
beautiful soul.

A web site would be awesome, somewhere to send people for information instead 
of having to start over completely with a new person. I know there are places 
where you can do free websites. I have no idea how to do one.  But I am good at 
researching and figuring things out, so it's something we could look at.

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On May 14, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Amani Oakley 
> wrote:
Hi Rachel

I AM working today. I got up late since in fact, I was working until about 4:30 
a.m. That’s one thing about working for myself (with just my husband as my 
partner). There is only this single perk I have and that is that I don’t get up 
early since I generally work all night. I figure since I’m the boss, I don’t 
have to justify my hours to anyone else! Of course, if I have to go to court 
for motions or trials, then I have to get up early like the rest of the world, 
but frankly, when I am in court, I generally don’t go to bed at all. Fun, eh? 
And to think that one of the reasons I left the field of Medical Laboratory 
Technology and decided to be a lawyer was that I hated having to do midnight 
shifts. Now, it’s not a “shift”. I’m just up ALL night and work all day TOO.

Rachel, what I would love to do is have someone way smarter than me when it 
comes to websites, develop a website where we can collect the information about 
Winstrol. It is absolutely essential for us to collect credible objective 
scientific information if we are going to convince the vets to stop their 
ridiculous crusade against Winstrol. At worst, the drug may end up not being 
very effective in a particular case, but it isn’t a demon drug to be avoided at 
all costs, and frankly, I suspect that starting the Winstrol sooner would 
likely give the best outcome. I think, generally speaking, that when Winstrol 
is finally used, the cat is in pretty bad shape, all else has failed, and we 
are asking for a miracle. I have a lot of faith in Winstrol, but I know full 
well it doesn’t always work. However, I have used it and gotten amazing results 
in circumstances where the vets have told me that there is nothing they have to 
offer, and nothing will work. So why not try the Winstrol? I simply don’t get 
the reluctance.

I would love to get Winstrol for everyone and I am trying to keep track of 
anyone who lets me know they have used it and how they obtained it. 
Unfortunately, often people will not respond with that information when I ask. 
Perhaps they suddenly wonder if I am a fed, posing as a cat-lover to trap 
unwary online folks, looking to save their babies. And I wouldn’t want to 
expose my vet to criticism from colleagues. I think she is less of a skeptic 
than most, because I let her know what I have seen, but she came in mid-way 
during my ordeal with Zander. She wasn’t the first vet who diagnosed him and 
she never saw how bad he was because by then, I was at the ER clinic. However, 
she allowed me to try various medications regimes, and allowed me to take the 
weekly blood work while I assessed the different treatment modalities to 
determine what was working and what wasn’t. She saw Zander improve and was 
extremely impressed, but you know, once he recovered from what was deemed to be 
a death sentence, and after there was some daylight between the crisis and his 
current excellent condition, vets started to suggest to me that maybe it wasn’t 
FeLV after all. REALLY frustrating. There is no way to convince someone who 
insists on not being convinced – even with weekly lab results in hand and 
before and after lab results. Anyway, all that to say that if push comes to 
shove, I think my vet believes that the Winstrol saved Zander, but if 
confronted by other vets, I am sure she would temper her comments so she 

Re: [Felvtalk] Kokonuts Blood test results

[Amani Oakley]

Olivia

The biochemistry results are just fine, but it is clear that the haematology is 
showing a reduction in all three of the cell lines: red cells, white cells and 
platelets. The most affected right now is the platelet line. Luckily, nothing 
immediate will happen with a low normal platelet count, but the lower it drops 
the more risk of internal bleeding. The white cells are almost out of the 
reference range on the low end, so that white cell line is also being 
depressed. The haematocrit level is below normal, but again, the good news is 
that it will have to slide way below that before real problems start becoming 
apparent. What is unusual in the results you have provided is that the result 
for red cell numbers isn't listed. That is usually part of the haematology 
panel. Also, you should be asking for a reticulocyte count to be done, to 
determine if the bone marrow is still producing red cells.

I think you are lucky in that you are seeing a set of results that is far from 
being dangerous yet, and so you have time to treat Kokonuts. My suggestion is 
that you start Kokonuts on Winstrol and Doxycycline and keep testing her blood 
work once a week or once every other week at least. Don't wait for the lab 
results to worsen before going on the offensive against this virus.

I think that the Winstrol will do wonders to get Kokonuts feeling better and 
eat more.

Amani


From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Miss 
Olivia Valencia
Sent: May-15-16 5:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Kokonuts Blood test results

Heres Kokonuts blood test results - If anybody can help me have a better 
understanding of them ... greatly appreciate it.



test: results:   reference range: 
Indicator:

ALB 2.8 g/dl 2.3-3.9
Normal
ALKP  15 u/l 14-111
LowNormal
ALT 34 u/l  12-130  
Normal
AMYL  638 u/l500-1500  
Normal
BUN20 mg/dl 16-36
Normal
CA   9.4 mg/dl7.8-11.3
Normal
CHOL   71 mg/dl 65-225 
Low/Normal
CREA   1.7 mg/dl0.8 -2.4 
Normal
GLOB   3.4 g/dl   2.8-5.1  
Normal
GLU 90 mg/dl  71-159 
Normal
PHOS  4.1 mg/dl 3.1-7.5 
NormaL
TBIL  0.1 mg/dl0.0-0.9 
Normal
TP6.2 g/dl 5.7-8.9  
  Normal




HCT19.6%  24.0-45.0   
LOW
HGB6.2 g/dl 8.0-15.0
LOW
MCHC 31.6 g/dl   30.0-36.9  
Normal
WBC5.2 x10 /l5.0-18.9 
Low/Normal
GRANS3.1 x10/l  61%   2.5-12.5 Normal
L/M   2.0  x10/L  39% 1.5-7.8   
Normal
PLT  173  x10/L  175-500 
Low/Normal


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[Felvtalk] FW: Amani thoughts for Winstrol

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Everyone

I definitely agree with Ardy. I think that often, valuable time is lost while 
we are either given no options at all by the vets, or options that are not 
proven to succeed. Also, there is often an initial “crisis” of some kind, that 
heralds the start of the virus getting an upper hand in the body. My experience 
and what I’ve heard from others is that, generally what happens, is that we 
then heave a sigh of relief and think we have dodged a bullet. We take our 
babies home and everything goes back to normal (normal appetite, normal 
playing, normal behaviour, etc.).

However, I think our complacency and our desire to believe that everything is 
now all right, is dangerous and the fact that the vets DON’T tell us that this 
is usually just a deceiving lull, is really problematic. Ardy is right – the 
virus is usually doing its dirty work quietly, without us noticing until it is 
sometimes critical, and I agree with Ardy, that a stressful situation can allow 
the virus to dominate.

With my Zander, he had a “mini” crisis in July where his blood results were 
very bad, and then he recovered. The vet mentioned it might be FeLV, but we 
didn’t know what that was. When it “went away”, we figured we Zander was okay, 
and since our vet didn’t recommend any more treatment, we didn’t think any more 
about it.

Then, in September, he crashed BADLY. The ER clinic showed me his blood in a 
vial and I know what blood in a vial is supposed to look like, and Zander’s 
looked like water with some red dye in it. His haematocrit was FIVE! (Normal is 
something like 25 to 45). He was put into an oxygen tent because he didn’t have 
enough red blood cells to transport sufficient oxygen to his cells.

In my view, in hindsight, I should never have let up in assuming that the FeLV 
virus was there and needed to be treated. I believe I should have started 
Zander on Winstrol and Doxycycline immediately. I shouldn’t have allowed the 
virus to keep reproducing (Doxycyline would have interfered with its 
reproduction) and the Winstrol would have encouraged progenitor cells to be 
produced in the bone marrow and would have pushed back against the effect of 
the FeLV virus on the bone marrow.

Frankly, I also think that the Winstrol/Doxycycline combo is compatible with 
many of the other treatments people are using, and I see no reason why 
Winstrol/Doxycycline can’t be added to the other regimens. For example, Margot, 
you mentioned you are using Interferon and a very low carb diet. If you are 
running blood work at all, Margot, you might want to consider putting your cat 
on the Winstrol and seeing if you get an improvement in his blood work. I 
realize you may not want to, if things are looking okay right now, but again, 
the Winstrol will either won’t and you’ll be able to see in a four weeks at 
most.

Again, if we had a website, we could keep track of what people try and what 
results they get.

Amani


From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy 
Robertson
Sent: May-15-16 1:31 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol

Hello,
If I can jump in on the website idea, I believe that would help people, 
especially people like me who had no experience with FeLV. Suddenly you are 
told one of your kitties has FeLV virus, and you are being told there are no 
options other than euthanasia. My vets even wanted me to go home and get my 
other two cats and bring them in that day for euthanizing!  I said “no”!  If 
there was a website that sort of listed a protocol for treating the FeLV 
crises, that would be great! One of our vets then offered Interferon and while 
I was placing my hopes on that treatment, believing that the vets wanted Tigger 
to live and pull out of the crisis he was in, valuable time was slipping away 
and Tigg’s blood counts were taking a dive. They didn’t really explain anything 
about the blood test results.  I basically had to learn everything from reading 
online.  For instance I did not know that stress can bring on a crisis.  We had 
brought a stray into our house, and she was running up behind Tigger and biting 
him hard. His stress from that was high.  I also learned from reading online 
that while the FeLV virus spreads to other cats, it is hardly ever spread to a 
cat over 11 months of age because their immune system can usually defend them 
from it.  That is also how I found this group online.

It was when Amani explained that Winstrol has been shown to turn the bone 
marrow back on to producing blood cells, that I decided to take a chance on it. 
Then much more time was lost trying to find a way to get Winstrol, also known 
as Stanozolol.  I found a source in Canada, but they were not able to ship into 
the US.  I live in Wisconsin, so I had to find a source in the US.  Again, as a 
novice, I did not have the information I needed to make any meaningful 
decisions. I happen to be 

Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

[Rachel Dagner]

It sounds just perfect to me. I am so glad you shared this with us. I have 
nothing but respect for you. It's not everyone who can find their calling and 
then just go for it, especially when that calling comes from love and caring 
and has nothing to do  with financial gain only the peace of mind that comes 
with knowing you are doing something good. I don't even know you and I am so 
proud of you! 

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On May 15, 2016, at 6:56 PM, Lorrie  wrote:

>> 
>>   Lorrie,
>> 
>>   Do you have pictures?  I would love to see what you've done!
>> 
>>   Kat (Mew Jersey)
> 
> Hi Kat, I was born in Morristown, "Mew" Jersey.
> 
> 
> I only have photos of the outside of my sanctuary and the grassy lot
> next door where I have a small, heated, building for ferals, and a
> big shade tree. I don't think they let us send photos to the group,
> but if you want to see it I can send it to you. However, outside you
> just see a two story brick building not the inside.
> -
> 
> It's really difficult to take photos of the inside because I can't
> get back far enough in each room to really show what I've done.
> -
> 
> My cat sanctuary is two stories and a basement.  Downstairs are 5
> rooms, including two rooms with wire doors for introduction or
> isolation. My live-in caretaker has her own bedroom, a large kitchen,
> full bathroom and a half bath.  The cats have access to every room
> and my caretaker lets them sleep with her. She spoils them rotten.
> They (cats & caretaker) all have a couch, chairs, and kitty kondos.
> There is a glass front door and window perches so they can look
> outside.
> 
> 
> The cats are NOT in cages, they have the run of the downstairs and
> upstairs rooms.  The older cats are downstairs, and adoptable young
> cats and kittens are upstairs which is also designed just for them.
> Upstairs are 4 large kitty kondos, 2 people chairs, many cozy cat
> beds, and a wall-walk with two tunnels that goes all around the
> walls. There are 4 rooms upstairs, and a laundry room. 
> 
> 
> Lorrie
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

[Lorrie]

> 
>Lorrie,
> 
>Do you have pictures?  I would love to see what you've done!
> 
>Kat (Mew Jersey)

Hi Kat, I was born in Morristown, "Mew" Jersey.


I only have photos of the outside of my sanctuary and the grassy lot
next door where I have a small, heated, building for ferals, and a
big shade tree. I don't think they let us send photos to the group,
but if you want to see it I can send it to you. However, outside you
just see a two story brick building not the inside.
-

It's really difficult to take photos of the inside because I can't
get back far enough in each room to really show what I've done.
-

My cat sanctuary is two stories and a basement.  Downstairs are 5
rooms, including two rooms with wire doors for introduction or
isolation. My live-in caretaker has her own bedroom, a large kitchen,
full bathroom and a half bath.  The cats have access to every room
and my caretaker lets them sleep with her. She spoils them rotten.
They (cats & caretaker) all have a couch, chairs, and kitty kondos.
There is a glass front door and window perches so they can look
outside.


The cats are NOT in cages, they have the run of the downstairs and
upstairs rooms.  The older cats are downstairs, and adoptable young
cats and kittens are upstairs which is also designed just for them.
Upstairs are 4 large kitty kondos, 2 people chairs, many cozy cat
beds, and a wall-walk with two tunnels that goes all around the
walls. There are 4 rooms upstairs, and a laundry room. 


Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol

[Rachel Dagner]

When I brought Tucker home from work he had an infection on his leg and I took 
him to get treated, he had a chip so we found out he didn't need shots for six 
months. When I took him for shots she me if I wanted the felv vaccine because I 
used to let him go outside too. We tested him first and it came back positive 
:(. She told me he could live three months or a long normal life there was just 
no telling. She never even said the word euthanize.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 15, 2016, at 5:45 PM,   
> wrote:
> 
> I really feel blessed because my vet said 2 choices, euthansia or keep Annie, 
> treat her and hope.  I would have walked out the door and never returned if 
> he only had one solution.  Find another vet.
> 
> 
>  Ardy Robertson  wrote: 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> If I can jump in on the website idea, I believe that would help people, 
>> especially people like me who had no experience with FeLV. Suddenly you are 
>> told one of your kitties has FeLV virus, and you are being told there are no 
>> options other than euthanasia. My vets even wanted me to go home and get my 
>> other two cats and bring them in that day for euthanizing!  I said “no”!  If 
>> there was a website that sort of listed a protocol for treating the FeLV 
>> crises, that would be great! One of our vets then offered Interferon and 
>> while I was placing my hopes on that treatment, believing that the vets 
>> wanted Tigger to live and pull out of the crisis he was in, valuable time 
>> was slipping away and Tigg’s blood counts were taking a dive. They didn’t 
>> really explain anything about the blood test results.  I basically had to 
>> learn everything from reading online.  For instance I did not know that 
>> stress can bring on a crisis.  We had brought a stray into our house, and 
>> she was running up behind Tigger and biting him hard. His stress from that 
>> was high.  I also learned from reading online that while the FeLV virus 
>> spreads to other cats, it is hardly ever spread to a cat over 11 months of 
>> age because their immune system can usually defend them from it.  That is 
>> also how I found this group online.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> It was when Amani explained that Winstrol has been shown to turn the bone 
>> marrow back on to producing blood cells, that I decided to take a chance on 
>> it. Then much more time was lost trying to find a way to get Winstrol, also 
>> known as Stanozolol.  I found a source in Canada, but they were not able to 
>> ship into the US.  I live in Wisconsin, so I had to find a source in the US. 
>>  Again, as a novice, I did not have the information I needed to make any 
>> meaningful decisions. I happen to be computer-literate so I was able to do 
>> the searching for ways to get Winstrol etc., I shudder to think what a 
>> loving cat owner who just doesn’t happen to be able to find things online 
>> easily, would do! So the need for information is critical……both for cat 
>> owners, and eventually to change the minds of the veterinary community! I 
>> hope one day, they will actually SUGGEST it to cat parents.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> If a website could ever become a reality, I would gladly share Tigger’s 
>> treatment details, along with his blood test results. Even though we 
>> eventually lost him, I feel I was given some additional time with him – and 
>> it was good quality time with him feeling very good, and playful most of the 
>> time. I also feel he may have pulled through this particular crisis if I had 
>> started this treatment regime as soon as I knew he was FeLV positive. I 
>> could be wrong, but I think the FeLV virus sometimes sits dormant in the 
>> cat, waiting for some period of stress in the cat’s life, and then it pops 
>> up and attacks in varying ways. If the owner is able to get the cat through 
>> that particular crisis, then I think it sometimes backs off again, possibly 
>> for very long periods, especially if the cat’s stress levels can be kept low.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Ardy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Rachel Dagner
>> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 10:34 AM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have googled you, you are the only one on here that I can put a face to a 
>> name! Can we post pictures when we send messages? 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Yes, not all lawyers are bad. Lol I am glad you do something you believe in 
>> and that is fulfilling and helps people. Probably makes all of the hours 
>> worth it. That and you love kitties and help people on here with theirs when 
>> you have so little time tells me you are a wonderful person with a huge 
>> heart and a beautiful soul. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> A web site would be awesome, somewhere to send people for information 
>> instead of having to start over completely with a new person. I know there 
>> are places where you can 

Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol

[dlgegg]

I think the best thing about Felvtalk is that you get answers form many people 
with diffrent experiences.  You get a chance to compare and make your own 
decision and the advice is always given in the best interet of you and your 
cat, not something they are selling.  All you have to do is explain your 
problem and in a very short time, you get answers and understanding.



 Rachel Dagner  wrote: 
> I have googled you, you are the only one on here that I can put a face to a 
> name! Can we post pictures when we send messages? 
> 
> Yes, not all lawyers are bad. Lol I am glad you do something you believe in 
> and that is fulfilling and helps people. Probably makes all of the hours 
> worth it. That and you love kitties and help people on here with theirs when 
> you have so little time tells me you are a wonderful person with a huge heart 
> and a beautiful soul. 
> 
> A web site would be awesome, somewhere to send people for information instead 
> of having to start over completely with a new person. I know there are places 
> where you can do free websites. I have no idea how to do one.  But I am good 
> at researching and figuring things out, so it's something we could look at.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On May 14, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Rachel
> >  
> > I AM working today. I got up late since in fact, I was working until about 
> > 4:30 a.m. That’s one thing about working for myself (with just my husband 
> > as my partner). There is only this single perk I have and that is that I 
> > don’t get up early since I generally work all night. I figure since I’m the 
> > boss, I don’t have to justify my hours to anyone else! Of course, if I have 
> > to go to court for motions or trials, then I have to get up early like the 
> > rest of the world, but frankly, when I am in court, I generally don’t go to 
> > bed at all. Fun, eh? And to think that one of the reasons I left the field 
> > of Medical Laboratory Technology and decided to be a lawyer was that I 
> > hated having to do midnight shifts. Now, it’s not a “shift”. I’m just up 
> > ALL night and work all day TOO.
> >  
> > Rachel, what I would love to do is have someone way smarter than me when it 
> > comes to websites, develop a website where we can collect the information 
> > about Winstrol. It is absolutely essential for us to collect credible 
> > objective scientific information if we are going to convince the vets to 
> > stop their ridiculous crusade against Winstrol. At worst, the drug may end 
> > up not being very effective in a particular case, but it isn’t a demon drug 
> > to be avoided at all costs, and frankly, I suspect that starting the 
> > Winstrol sooner would likely give the best outcome. I think, generally 
> > speaking, that when Winstrol is finally used, the cat is in pretty bad 
> > shape, all else has failed, and we are asking for a miracle. I have a lot 
> > of faith in Winstrol, but I know full well it doesn’t always work. However, 
> > I have used it and gotten amazing results in circumstances where the vets 
> > have told me that there is nothing they have to offer, and nothing will 
> > work. So why not try the Winstrol? I simply don’t get the reluctance.
> >  
> > I would love to get Winstrol for everyone and I am trying to keep track of 
> > anyone who lets me know they have used it and how they obtained it. 
> > Unfortunately, often people will not respond with that information when I 
> > ask. Perhaps they suddenly wonder if I am a fed, posing as a cat-lover to 
> > trap unwary online folks, looking to save their babies. And I wouldn’t want 
> > to expose my vet to criticism from colleagues. I think she is less of a 
> > skeptic than most, because I let her know what I have seen, but she came in 
> > mid-way during my ordeal with Zander. She wasn’t the first vet who 
> > diagnosed him and she never saw how bad he was because by then, I was at 
> > the ER clinic. However, she allowed me to try various medications regimes, 
> > and allowed me to take the weekly blood work while I assessed the different 
> > treatment modalities to determine what was working and what wasn’t. She saw 
> > Zander improve and was extremely impressed, but you know, once he recovered 
> > from what was deemed to be a death sentence, and after there was some 
> > daylight between the crisis and his current excellent condition, vets 
> > started to suggest to me that maybe it wasn’t FeLV after all. REALLY 
> > frustrating. There is no way to convince someone who insists on not being 
> > convinced – even with weekly lab results in hand and before and after lab 
> > results. Anyway, all that to say that if push comes to shove, I think my 
> > vet believes that the Winstrol saved Zander, but if confronted by other 
> > vets, I am sure she would temper her comments so she doesn’t appear foolish 
> > and out of step to them.
> >  
> > Ardy was generous with her 

Re: [Felvtalk] Kokonut Felv+

[dlgegg]

Pray and give your baby a chance.  If you give up, they will. They can sense 
your emotions.

 Margo  wrote: 
> 
> Every cat is different. 
> 
> I know people who have syringe fed their cat for years, I have never had to 
> go more than a few weeks of straight syringe feeding, but there was often a 
> longer tine of serious "encouragement" . The Assisted feeding group will 
> have more specific information.
> 
> When will the cat start to feel better also can vary. It took Gribble at 
> least a month to become mostly himself again, but he still wasn't eating very 
> well. Others here will  have different accounts of their cats.
> 
> It can happen, so please don't give up easily :)
> 
> Margo
> 
> -Original Message-
> >From: ". ." 
> >Sent: May 15, 2016 12:45 PM
> >To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
> >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kokonut Felv+
> >
> >How long has anyone ever syringe fed a cat . How long will it take a cat to 
> >feel better weeks ,months? Please share thanks 
> >
> >Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On May 15, 2016, at 10:52 AM, Rachel Dagner  wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hi Olivia, 
> >> 
> >> So sorry your baby isn't feeling good. Syringe feeding in very important 
> >> are you using the ad hills food? I know it's hard to get a lot of food in 
> >> and this is high calorie. When I was syringe feeding Tucker I took him to 
> >> get fluids under the skin a couple of times and my vet only charges $14 to 
> >> do it. My thoughts are that vets treat the symptoms but sometimes forget 
> >> that we also need to treat the underlying problems. Which in our case is 
> >> felv which causes a poor immune system.  
> >> I would say find something to boost the immune system as well. Since you 
> >> are syringing you can just add supplements right to the food. I syringe 
> >> Tucker a tiny bit of food twice everyday mixed with his supplements. My 
> >> suggestion would be if cost is an issue to try something like Life Gold 
> >> immunity. It equals out to about $10 a month, if you have deeper pockets I 
> >> would do Vitality Science Advanced Immune Support, both of these companies 
> >> offer a ninety day money back guarantee. You can do some research on 
> >> products look and the ingredients and find something you feel comfortable 
> >> with. I would give supplements not only while sick but as a maintenance to 
> >> keep my kitties immune system strong, and fighting. I hope kokonut feels 
> >> better soon and starts eating on her own. Keep us posted! 
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> 
> >>> On May 14, 2016, at 9:56 PM,  
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Try baby food, just make sure it has no onion or garlic in it.
> >>> 
> >>>  Miss Olivia Valencia  wrote: 
>  My cat is Kokonut 1/yo. She is Felv+. She got ill the other day, she had 
>  a fever of 105. took her to vet . The vet gave her metacam,doxycycline & 
>  depo medrol Her fever has come down a little. But she hasn't been eating 
>  & just been laying in the same spot for the last couple of days. My 
>  sister has been syringe feeding & hydrating her & also giving her some 
>  pedialyte. Any other recommendations-For food & staying hydrating?  
>  frown emoticon has anybody else experienced this? whats to be expected?
> >>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol

[dlgegg]

I really feel blessed because my vet said 2 choices, euthansia or keep Annie, 
treat her and hope.  I would have walked out the door and never returned if he 
only had one solution.  Find another vet.


 Ardy Robertson  wrote: 
> Hello,
> 
> If I can jump in on the website idea, I believe that would help people, 
> especially people like me who had no experience with FeLV. Suddenly you are 
> told one of your kitties has FeLV virus, and you are being told there are no 
> options other than euthanasia. My vets even wanted me to go home and get my 
> other two cats and bring them in that day for euthanizing!  I said “no”!  If 
> there was a website that sort of listed a protocol for treating the FeLV 
> crises, that would be great! One of our vets then offered Interferon and 
> while I was placing my hopes on that treatment, believing that the vets 
> wanted Tigger to live and pull out of the crisis he was in, valuable time was 
> slipping away and Tigg’s blood counts were taking a dive. They didn’t really 
> explain anything about the blood test results.  I basically had to learn 
> everything from reading online.  For instance I did not know that stress can 
> bring on a crisis.  We had brought a stray into our house, and she was 
> running up behind Tigger and biting him hard. His stress from that was high.  
> I also learned from reading online that while the FeLV virus spreads to other 
> cats, it is hardly ever spread to a cat over 11 months of age because their 
> immune system can usually defend them from it.  That is also how I found this 
> group online.
> 
>  
> 
> It was when Amani explained that Winstrol has been shown to turn the bone 
> marrow back on to producing blood cells, that I decided to take a chance on 
> it. Then much more time was lost trying to find a way to get Winstrol, also 
> known as Stanozolol.  I found a source in Canada, but they were not able to 
> ship into the US.  I live in Wisconsin, so I had to find a source in the US.  
> Again, as a novice, I did not have the information I needed to make any 
> meaningful decisions. I happen to be computer-literate so I was able to do 
> the searching for ways to get Winstrol etc., I shudder to think what a loving 
> cat owner who just doesn’t happen to be able to find things online easily, 
> would do! So the need for information is critical……both for cat owners, and 
> eventually to change the minds of the veterinary community! I hope one day, 
> they will actually SUGGEST it to cat parents.
> 
>  
> 
> If a website could ever become a reality, I would gladly share Tigger’s 
> treatment details, along with his blood test results. Even though we 
> eventually lost him, I feel I was given some additional time with him – and 
> it was good quality time with him feeling very good, and playful most of the 
> time. I also feel he may have pulled through this particular crisis if I had 
> started this treatment regime as soon as I knew he was FeLV positive. I could 
> be wrong, but I think the FeLV virus sometimes sits dormant in the cat, 
> waiting for some period of stress in the cat’s life, and then it pops up and 
> attacks in varying ways. If the owner is able to get the cat through that 
> particular crisis, then I think it sometimes backs off again, possibly for 
> very long periods, especially if the cat’s stress levels can be kept low.
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Ardy
> 
>  
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Rachel Dagner
> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 10:34 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol
> 
>  
> 
> I have googled you, you are the only one on here that I can put a face to a 
> name! Can we post pictures when we send messages? 
> 
>  
> 
> Yes, not all lawyers are bad. Lol I am glad you do something you believe in 
> and that is fulfilling and helps people. Probably makes all of the hours 
> worth it. That and you love kitties and help people on here with theirs when 
> you have so little time tells me you are a wonderful person with a huge heart 
> and a beautiful soul. 
> 
>  
> 
> A web site would be awesome, somewhere to send people for information instead 
> of having to start over completely with a new person. I know there are places 
> where you can do free websites. I have no idea how to do one.  But I am good 
> at researching and figuring things out, so it's something we could look at.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On May 14, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Amani Oakley   > wrote:
> 
> Hi Rachel
> 
>  
> 
> I AM working today. I got up late since in fact, I was working until about 
> 4:30 a.m. That’s one thing about working for myself (with just my husband as 
> my partner). There is only this single perk I have and that is that I don’t 
> get up early since I generally work all night. I figure since I’m the boss, I 
> don’t have to justify 

[Felvtalk] Kokonuts Blood test results

[Miss Olivia Valencia]

Heres Kokonuts blood test results - If anybody can help me have a better 
understanding of them … greatly appreciate it. 



test: results:   reference range: 
Indicator: 

ALB 2.8 g/dl 2.3-3.9
Normal
ALKP  15 u/l 14-111
LowNormal
ALT 34 u/l  12-130  
Normal
AMYL  638 u/l500-1500  
Normal
BUN20 mg/dl 16-36
Normal
CA   9.4 mg/dl7.8-11.3
Normal
CHOL   71 mg/dl 65-225 
Low/Normal
CREA   1.7 mg/dl0.8 -2.4 
Normal
GLOB   3.4 g/dl   2.8-5.1  
Normal
GLU 90 mg/dl  71-159 
Normal
PHOS  4.1 mg/dl 3.1-7.5 
NormaL
TBIL  0.1 mg/dl0.0-0.9 
Normal
TP6.2 g/dl 5.7-8.9  
  Normal




HCT19.6%  24.0-45.0   
LOW
HGB6.2 g/dl 8.0-15.0
LOW
MCHC 31.6 g/dl   30.0-36.9  
Normal
WBC5.2 x10 /l5.0-18.9 
Low/Normal
GRANS3.1 x10/l  61%   2.5-12.5 Normal
L/M   2.0  x10/L  39% 1.5-7.8   
Normal
PLT  173  x10/L  175-500 
Low/Normal 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol

[Ardy Robertson]

Hello,

If I can jump in on the website idea, I believe that would help people, 
especially people like me who had no experience with FeLV. Suddenly you are 
told one of your kitties has FeLV virus, and you are being told there are no 
options other than euthanasia. My vets even wanted me to go home and get my 
other two cats and bring them in that day for euthanizing!  I said “no”!  If 
there was a website that sort of listed a protocol for treating the FeLV 
crises, that would be great! One of our vets then offered Interferon and while 
I was placing my hopes on that treatment, believing that the vets wanted Tigger 
to live and pull out of the crisis he was in, valuable time was slipping away 
and Tigg’s blood counts were taking a dive. They didn’t really explain anything 
about the blood test results.  I basically had to learn everything from reading 
online.  For instance I did not know that stress can bring on a crisis.  We had 
brought a stray into our house, and she was running up behind Tigger and biting 
him hard. His stress from that was high.  I also learned from reading online 
that while the FeLV virus spreads to other cats, it is hardly ever spread to a 
cat over 11 months of age because their immune system can usually defend them 
from it.  That is also how I found this group online.

 

It was when Amani explained that Winstrol has been shown to turn the bone 
marrow back on to producing blood cells, that I decided to take a chance on it. 
Then much more time was lost trying to find a way to get Winstrol, also known 
as Stanozolol.  I found a source in Canada, but they were not able to ship into 
the US.  I live in Wisconsin, so I had to find a source in the US.  Again, as a 
novice, I did not have the information I needed to make any meaningful 
decisions. I happen to be computer-literate so I was able to do the searching 
for ways to get Winstrol etc., I shudder to think what a loving cat owner who 
just doesn’t happen to be able to find things online easily, would do! So the 
need for information is critical……both for cat owners, and eventually to change 
the minds of the veterinary community! I hope one day, they will actually 
SUGGEST it to cat parents.

 

If a website could ever become a reality, I would gladly share Tigger’s 
treatment details, along with his blood test results. Even though we eventually 
lost him, I feel I was given some additional time with him – and it was good 
quality time with him feeling very good, and playful most of the time. I also 
feel he may have pulled through this particular crisis if I had started this 
treatment regime as soon as I knew he was FeLV positive. I could be wrong, but 
I think the FeLV virus sometimes sits dormant in the cat, waiting for some 
period of stress in the cat’s life, and then it pops up and attacks in varying 
ways. If the owner is able to get the cat through that particular crisis, then 
I think it sometimes backs off again, possibly for very long periods, 
especially if the cat’s stress levels can be kept low.

 

Thank you,

Ardy

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 10:34 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol

 

I have googled you, you are the only one on here that I can put a face to a 
name! Can we post pictures when we send messages? 

 

Yes, not all lawyers are bad. Lol I am glad you do something you believe in and 
that is fulfilling and helps people. Probably makes all of the hours worth it. 
That and you love kitties and help people on here with theirs when you have so 
little time tells me you are a wonderful person with a huge heart and a 
beautiful soul. 

 

A web site would be awesome, somewhere to send people for information instead 
of having to start over completely with a new person. I know there are places 
where you can do free websites. I have no idea how to do one.  But I am good at 
researching and figuring things out, so it's something we could look at.

Sent from my iPhone


On May 14, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Amani Oakley  > wrote:

Hi Rachel

 

I AM working today. I got up late since in fact, I was working until about 4:30 
a.m. That’s one thing about working for myself (with just my husband as my 
partner). There is only this single perk I have and that is that I don’t get up 
early since I generally work all night. I figure since I’m the boss, I don’t 
have to justify my hours to anyone else! Of course, if I have to go to court 
for motions or trials, then I have to get up early like the rest of the world, 
but frankly, when I am in court, I generally don’t go to bed at all. Fun, eh? 
And to think that one of the reasons I left the field of Medical Laboratory 
Technology and decided to be a lawyer was that I hated having to do midnight 
shifts. Now, it’s not a “shift”. I’m just up ALL night and work all day TOO.

 

Re: [Felvtalk] Kokonut Felv+1 year & 8 months spayed female

[. .]

Thank you so much for your encouragement . She went to the vet last Monday May 
9th -2016 and now it's Sunday  I wanted to post her blood results 

Items HCT =19.6 low 
WBC =5.1 low 
PLT =173 
Her temperate was 101.7 today Sunday 05/15/2016
No fever :) still no appetite and weak . Syringe feeding 


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> On May 15, 2016, at 1:12 PM, Margo  wrote:
> 
> 
> Every cat is different. 
> 
> I know people who have syringe fed their cat for years, I have never had to 
> go more than a few weeks of straight syringe feeding, but there was often a 
> longer tine of serious "encouragement" . The Assisted feeding group will 
> have more specific information.
> 
> When will the cat start to feel better also can vary. It took Gribble at 
> least a month to become mostly himself again, but he still wasn't eating very 
> well. Others here will  have different accounts of their cats.
> 
> It can happen, so please don't give up easily :)
> 
> Margo
> 
> -Original Message-
>> From: ". ." 
>> Sent: May 15, 2016 12:45 PM
>> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kokonut Felv+
>> 
>> How long has anyone ever syringe fed a cat . How long will it take a cat to 
>> feel better weeks ,months? Please share thanks 
>> 
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>>> On May 15, 2016, at 10:52 AM, Rachel Dagner  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Olivia, 
>>> 
>>> So sorry your baby isn't feeling good. Syringe feeding in very important 
>>> are you using the ad hills food? I know it's hard to get a lot of food in 
>>> and this is high calorie. When I was syringe feeding Tucker I took him to 
>>> get fluids under the skin a couple of times and my vet only charges $14 to 
>>> do it. My thoughts are that vets treat the symptoms but sometimes forget 
>>> that we also need to treat the underlying problems. Which in our case is 
>>> felv which causes a poor immune system.  
>>> I would say find something to boost the immune system as well. Since you 
>>> are syringing you can just add supplements right to the food. I syringe 
>>> Tucker a tiny bit of food twice everyday mixed with his supplements. My 
>>> suggestion would be if cost is an issue to try something like Life Gold 
>>> immunity. It equals out to about $10 a month, if you have deeper pockets I 
>>> would do Vitality Science Advanced Immune Support, both of these companies 
>>> offer a ninety day money back guarantee. You can do some research on 
>>> products look and the ingredients and find something you feel comfortable 
>>> with. I would give supplements not only while sick but as a maintenance to 
>>> keep my kitties immune system strong, and fighting. I hope kokonut feels 
>>> better soon and starts eating on her own. Keep us posted! 
>>> 
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>>> 
 On May 14, 2016, at 9:56 PM,  
  wrote:
 
 Try baby food, just make sure it has no onion or garlic in it.
 
  Miss Olivia Valencia  wrote: 
> My cat is Kokonut 1/yo. She is Felv+. She got ill the other day, she had 
> a fever of 105. took her to vet . The vet gave her metacam,doxycycline & 
> depo medrol Her fever has come down a little. But she hasn't been eating 
> & just been laying in the same spot for the last couple of days. My 
> sister has been syringe feeding & hydrating her & also giving her some 
> pedialyte. Any other recommendations-For food & staying hydrating?  frown 
> emoticon has anybody else experienced this? whats to be expected?
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kokonut Felv+

[Margo]

Every cat is different. 

I know people who have syringe fed their cat for years, I have never had to go 
more than a few weeks of straight syringe feeding, but there was often a longer 
tine of serious "encouragement" . The Assisted feeding group will have more 
specific information.

When will the cat start to feel better also can vary. It took Gribble at least 
a month to become mostly himself again, but he still wasn't eating very well. 
Others here will  have different accounts of their cats.

It can happen, so please don't give up easily :)

Margo

-Original Message-
>From: ". ." 
>Sent: May 15, 2016 12:45 PM
>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kokonut Felv+
>
>How long has anyone ever syringe fed a cat . How long will it take a cat to 
>feel better weeks ,months? Please share thanks 
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 15, 2016, at 10:52 AM, Rachel Dagner  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Olivia, 
>> 
>> So sorry your baby isn't feeling good. Syringe feeding in very important are 
>> you using the ad hills food? I know it's hard to get a lot of food in and 
>> this is high calorie. When I was syringe feeding Tucker I took him to get 
>> fluids under the skin a couple of times and my vet only charges $14 to do 
>> it. My thoughts are that vets treat the symptoms but sometimes forget that 
>> we also need to treat the underlying problems. Which in our case is felv 
>> which causes a poor immune system.  
>> I would say find something to boost the immune system as well. Since you are 
>> syringing you can just add supplements right to the food. I syringe Tucker a 
>> tiny bit of food twice everyday mixed with his supplements. My suggestion 
>> would be if cost is an issue to try something like Life Gold immunity. It 
>> equals out to about $10 a month, if you have deeper pockets I would do 
>> Vitality Science Advanced Immune Support, both of these companies offer a 
>> ninety day money back guarantee. You can do some research on products look 
>> and the ingredients and find something you feel comfortable with. I would 
>> give supplements not only while sick but as a maintenance to keep my kitties 
>> immune system strong, and fighting. I hope kokonut feels better soon and 
>> starts eating on her own. Keep us posted! 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 14, 2016, at 9:56 PM,  
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Try baby food, just make sure it has no onion or garlic in it.
>>> 
>>>  Miss Olivia Valencia  wrote: 
 My cat is Kokonut 1/yo. She is Felv+. She got ill the other day, she had a 
 fever of 105. took her to vet . The vet gave her metacam,doxycycline & 
 depo medrol Her fever has come down a little. But she hasn't been eating & 
 just been laying in the same spot for the last couple of days. My sister 
 has been syringe feeding & hydrating her & also giving her some pedialyte. 
 Any other recommendations-For food & staying hydrating?  frown emoticon 
 has anybody else experienced this? whats to be expected?
>>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kokonut Felv+

[Margo]

That was pretty much the scenario that got my Gribble diagnosed. He had a temp of 107+ (that's as high as the thermometer went) and a WBC count of 2.8. He had had bloodwork done recently when he blocked, and the Vet had the go back and test fro FeLV/FIV. I'm pretty sure it was the stress of the blockage and treatment that brooght him to active FeLV status. He had tested negative at intake and again three months later, about a year before.He went on a bed of ice, and pretty much stayed on cooling measures for a week, before his temp was reliably normal. He also was on Zenequin, DMG and oral B-Complex, and started on Interferon within the week (as soon as it could be delivered). He was syringe-fed with Hill's a/d and Iams Max Calorie (my first choice). Ever cat is different, and may need a few tricks to get them eating again. You can get real help from the people on the Feline Assisted Feeding group;   https://beta.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/infoHe turned around after about a week, and did well for a while. I took him in to the Vet for a check-up. He is one of those odd cats who LOVES the Vet. He's more like a dog than a cat, what I call a PuppyCat. But love it or not, it stressed him. And he crashed. Did the same things again, and he rallied once more. Since then, he has stayed home, and done very well (knock madly on wood). He remains on interferon and a very low carb diet, but that's it. He was diagnosed on March 2, 2013.I hope Kokonut will respond as well :)All the best to you both,Margo-Original Message-
From: Miss Olivia Valencia 
Sent: May 15, 2016 12:58 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Kokonut Felv+

My cat is Kokonut 1/yo. She is Felv+. She got ill the other day, she had a fever of 105. took her to vet . The vet gave her metacam,doxycycline & depo medrol Her fever has come down a little. But she hasn't been eating & just been laying in the same spot for the last couple of days. My sister has been syringe feeding & hydrating her & also giving her some pedialyte. Any other recommendations-For food & staying hydrating?  frown emoticon has anybody else experienced this? whats to be expected?

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kokonut Felv+

[. .]

How long has anyone ever syringe fed a cat . How long will it take a cat to 
feel better weeks ,months? Please share thanks 

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> On May 15, 2016, at 10:52 AM, Rachel Dagner  wrote:
> 
> Hi Olivia, 
> 
> So sorry your baby isn't feeling good. Syringe feeding in very important are 
> you using the ad hills food? I know it's hard to get a lot of food in and 
> this is high calorie. When I was syringe feeding Tucker I took him to get 
> fluids under the skin a couple of times and my vet only charges $14 to do it. 
> My thoughts are that vets treat the symptoms but sometimes forget that we 
> also need to treat the underlying problems. Which in our case is felv which 
> causes a poor immune system.  
> I would say find something to boost the immune system as well. Since you are 
> syringing you can just add supplements right to the food. I syringe Tucker a 
> tiny bit of food twice everyday mixed with his supplements. My suggestion 
> would be if cost is an issue to try something like Life Gold immunity. It 
> equals out to about $10 a month, if you have deeper pockets I would do 
> Vitality Science Advanced Immune Support, both of these companies offer a 
> ninety day money back guarantee. You can do some research on products look 
> and the ingredients and find something you feel comfortable with. I would 
> give supplements not only while sick but as a maintenance to keep my kitties 
> immune system strong, and fighting. I hope kokonut feels better soon and 
> starts eating on her own. Keep us posted! 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 14, 2016, at 9:56 PM,   
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Try baby food, just make sure it has no onion or garlic in it.
>> 
>>  Miss Olivia Valencia  wrote: 
>>> My cat is Kokonut 1/yo. She is Felv+. She got ill the other day, she had a 
>>> fever of 105. took her to vet . The vet gave her metacam,doxycycline & depo 
>>> medrol Her fever has come down a little. But she hasn't been eating & just 
>>> been laying in the same spot for the last couple of days. My sister has 
>>> been syringe feeding & hydrating her & also giving her some pedialyte. Any 
>>> other recommendations-For food & staying hydrating?  frown emoticon has 
>>> anybody else experienced this? whats to be expected?
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol

[Rachel Dagner]

I have googled you, you are the only one on here that I can put a face to a 
name! Can we post pictures when we send messages? 

Yes, not all lawyers are bad. Lol I am glad you do something you believe in and 
that is fulfilling and helps people. Probably makes all of the hours worth it. 
That and you love kitties and help people on here with theirs when you have so 
little time tells me you are a wonderful person with a huge heart and a 
beautiful soul. 

A web site would be awesome, somewhere to send people for information instead 
of having to start over completely with a new person. I know there are places 
where you can do free websites. I have no idea how to do one.  But I am good at 
researching and figuring things out, so it's something we could look at.

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> On May 14, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> Hi Rachel
>  
> I AM working today. I got up late since in fact, I was working until about 
> 4:30 a.m. That’s one thing about working for myself (with just my husband as 
> my partner). There is only this single perk I have and that is that I don’t 
> get up early since I generally work all night. I figure since I’m the boss, I 
> don’t have to justify my hours to anyone else! Of course, if I have to go to 
> court for motions or trials, then I have to get up early like the rest of the 
> world, but frankly, when I am in court, I generally don’t go to bed at all. 
> Fun, eh? And to think that one of the reasons I left the field of Medical 
> Laboratory Technology and decided to be a lawyer was that I hated having to 
> do midnight shifts. Now, it’s not a “shift”. I’m just up ALL night and work 
> all day TOO.
>  
> Rachel, what I would love to do is have someone way smarter than me when it 
> comes to websites, develop a website where we can collect the information 
> about Winstrol. It is absolutely essential for us to collect credible 
> objective scientific information if we are going to convince the vets to stop 
> their ridiculous crusade against Winstrol. At worst, the drug may end up not 
> being very effective in a particular case, but it isn’t a demon drug to be 
> avoided at all costs, and frankly, I suspect that starting the Winstrol 
> sooner would likely give the best outcome. I think, generally speaking, that 
> when Winstrol is finally used, the cat is in pretty bad shape, all else has 
> failed, and we are asking for a miracle. I have a lot of faith in Winstrol, 
> but I know full well it doesn’t always work. However, I have used it and 
> gotten amazing results in circumstances where the vets have told me that 
> there is nothing they have to offer, and nothing will work. So why not try 
> the Winstrol? I simply don’t get the reluctance.
>  
> I would love to get Winstrol for everyone and I am trying to keep track of 
> anyone who lets me know they have used it and how they obtained it. 
> Unfortunately, often people will not respond with that information when I 
> ask. Perhaps they suddenly wonder if I am a fed, posing as a cat-lover to 
> trap unwary online folks, looking to save their babies. And I wouldn’t want 
> to expose my vet to criticism from colleagues. I think she is less of a 
> skeptic than most, because I let her know what I have seen, but she came in 
> mid-way during my ordeal with Zander. She wasn’t the first vet who diagnosed 
> him and she never saw how bad he was because by then, I was at the ER clinic. 
> However, she allowed me to try various medications regimes, and allowed me to 
> take the weekly blood work while I assessed the different treatment 
> modalities to determine what was working and what wasn’t. She saw Zander 
> improve and was extremely impressed, but you know, once he recovered from 
> what was deemed to be a death sentence, and after there was some daylight 
> between the crisis and his current excellent condition, vets started to 
> suggest to me that maybe it wasn’t FeLV after all. REALLY frustrating. There 
> is no way to convince someone who insists on not being convinced – even with 
> weekly lab results in hand and before and after lab results. Anyway, all that 
> to say that if push comes to shove, I think my vet believes that the Winstrol 
> saved Zander, but if confronted by other vets, I am sure she would temper her 
> comments so she doesn’t appear foolish and out of step to them.
>  
> Ardy was generous with her information about where she was able to obtain the 
> Winstrol and shared it with everyone, and it seems to me that this may be the 
> most promising route. The trouble isn’t getting the Winstrol once you have a 
> prescription – the problem is getting that prescription from your vet. Once 
> you have that, you can order the medication online from a compounding 
> pharmacy and Ardy let us know about the one she used which shipped to her 
> from another state.
>  
> I think each of us who wants to try out the Winstrol, needs to have a talk 
> with our vets, and 

Re: [Felvtalk] Keeping strays - was Tiffany

[Rachel Dagner]

Lorrie, 

That is awesome! And YOU are awesome. I understand why you can't do the more 
expensive treatments for all of those kitties. I am sure it is hard just to 
keep them all fed! You are a kitty savior, no doubt. 

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> On May 14, 2016, at 5:46 PM, kat  wrote:
> 
> Lorrie,
>  
> Do you have pictures?  I would love to see what you've done!
>  
> Kat (Mew Jersey)
>  
> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 at 5:21 PM
> From: Lorrie 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keeping strays - was Tiffany
> On 05-14, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
> 
> 
> > ALL OF MY CATS WERE EITHER FERAL OR STRAYS. tHEY SHOWED UP AND i KEPT THEM.
> 
> Same with me. I can't turn them away and this is how I ended up with
> 13 cats at home and 28 more in my shelter/sanctuary.
> 
> Rescuing cats seems to be my calling in life and I always wanted to have a
> sanctuary of my own, so in 2004 I bought a large two story brick building in
> town and made it into a wonderful sanctuary for my overflow of rescued cats.
> The cats are not in cages, they have many rooms in which to run. I have
> completely transformed the building into a paradise for cats, with cat
> posts, window perches, wall walks, tunnels and tall cat condos. All
> are neutered or spayed of course!
> 
> I'm sure many of you know this so I won't go into more details.
> 
> Lorrie
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kokonut Felv+

[Rachel Dagner]

Hi Olivia, 

So sorry your baby isn't feeling good. Syringe feeding in very important are 
you using the ad hills food? I know it's hard to get a lot of food in and this 
is high calorie. When I was syringe feeding Tucker I took him to get fluids 
under the skin a couple of times and my vet only charges $14 to do it. My 
thoughts are that vets treat the symptoms but sometimes forget that we also 
need to treat the underlying problems. Which in our case is felv which causes a 
poor immune system.  
I would say find something to boost the immune system as well. Since you are 
syringing you can just add supplements right to the food. I syringe Tucker a 
tiny bit of food twice everyday mixed with his supplements. My suggestion would 
be if cost is an issue to try something like Life Gold immunity. It equals out 
to about $10 a month, if you have deeper pockets I would do Vitality Science 
Advanced Immune Support, both of these companies offer a ninety day money back 
guarantee. You can do some research on products look and the ingredients and 
find something you feel comfortable with. I would give supplements not only 
while sick but as a maintenance to keep my kitties immune system strong, and 
fighting. I hope kokonut feels better soon and starts eating on her own. Keep 
us posted! 

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> On May 14, 2016, at 9:56 PM,   
> wrote:
> 
> Try baby food, just make sure it has no onion or garlic in it.
> 
>  Miss Olivia Valencia  wrote: 
>> My cat is Kokonut 1/yo. She is Felv+. She got ill the other day, she had a 
>> fever of 105. took her to vet . The vet gave her metacam,doxycycline & depo 
>> medrol Her fever has come down a little. But she hasn't been eating & just 
>> been laying in the same spot for the last couple of days. My sister has been 
>> syringe feeding & hydrating her & also giving her some pedialyte. Any other 
>> recommendations-For food & staying hydrating?  frown emoticon has anybody 
>> else experienced this? whats to be expected?
> 
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