Re: [Felvtalk] Stargate
Happy Tails!! Sandy W - Original Message - From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 3, 2017 5:02:16 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stargate No appology necessary. It is great news that someone besides us cares enough to do what is right. marlene melpignano wrote: > Sorry for spamming, but I wanted to share my joy with you. > My friend just brought me the stargate. > I am proud of my country, my Italian vet, the Italian pharmacist, my family > and my friends that arranged everything in less than 12 hours. > Maybe it won't have any effects, but with all their contributions they are > giving me the possibility to try. > Above all my country that kept it legal for animals, despite all the stupid > humans abusing of it. > And thanks to Ardy, Sandy, Amani, Lorrie, dlgegg and you all for the support. > Marlène and Microbo > > > > [cid:1c57407f-6d40-4c55-874f-2de3209e986e@eurprd09.prod.outlook.com] > > > > > Inviato da iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help
I also like this. Margo wrote: > Hi Ken, Would you be willing to share your compilation so others could print for their Vets, as well? I keep trying to get it all together, but I can't seem to be cohesive. I think it would be very helpful :) Thanks, Margo -Original Message- >From: kresch...@mchsi.com >Sent: Nov 2, 2017 10:18 AM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - >help > >Good Morningh all-- >I've been following the posts to Marlene and others regarding >Winstrol/Stargate. I began following when my feral-turned-wonderful-domestic >Tuxedo, Zorro, became ill with FeLV. We tried the Prednisolone route and he >perked up for a week or so but then just slept more and more as his red count >bottomed out. I laid next to him as he died and shared that with all of you at >that time. What I'm writing about now is what we must do for future cats that >may contract FeLV. I have printed the pertinent information that began with >Amani and then others regarding Winstrol and Stargate minus any links and >email addresses. I am taking this info to my Vet and telling her to start her >research immediately. I will also tell her she could be the first Vet in our >area to truly treat our kitties with a drug that works. If we all present the >information we've been sharing we will begin a ground-swell of interest and >hope. >Ken >- Original Message - >From: dlg...@windstream.net >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Sent: Thu, 02 Nov 2017 09:21:32 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - >help > >Prayers for you and your baby. > > marlene melpignano wrote: >> Dear all, >> Good news: Winstrol is legal in Italy for animals and is called stargate. I >> found a pharmacist who can send it to me in Belgium or I will go to Rome >> myself on Saturday, he also said it is highly used in Italy for felv cats. >> What is better, pills or injections? >> I thought of pills to cause less stress, but I read it may be more toxic for >> the liver compared to the injectable one . >> I am also bringing the cat to a French specialised clinic this afternoon >> just to get a better opinion than the Belgian one. >> >> Thanks all for your support. >> Best >> M&M >> >> Inviato da iPhone >> >> > Il giorno 02 nov 2017, alle ore 05:28, Ardy Robertson >> > ha scritto: >> > >> > Marlene - My Tigger had an active leukemia when I began Winstrol, based on >> > his bloodwork. and he also was not eating. I gave him an appetite >> > stimulant called Mirtazapine, only a half of a 7.5 mg tablet, every 3rd >> > day, and that boosted his appetite. I also fed him the canned cat food >> > that they sell for after surgeries - it is very calorie dense but I don't >> > remember the name of it. Sometimes I had to clip a towel around him and >> > syringe feed him a little. I did not want to do that because he didn't >> > like having me do that, but I made up my mind that if was going to make >> > it, he had to have some food in him. I believe Amani knows the name of >> > another good appetite stimulant. When he would not drink any water, I gave >> > him clam juice (we called it his kitty cocktail)- he loved it. It is just >> > shameful that Winstrol is not legal for this use - they hold a grudge >> > against it because of the misuse of it by a few athletes. So our kitties >> > have to suffer without the one thing that can help them. It is also >> > important to combine it with the Prednisolone and the Doxycyclene because >> > the Doxy has some property whereby it prevents the virus from replicating. >> > Best of luck with his treatment!! >> > >> > Ardy >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of >> > dlg...@windstream.net >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 1:47 PM >> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator >> > - help >> > >> > Don't apologize for questions, that is one way we learn. I have had no >> > problems, but am sure Amani and others do have answers for you >> > >> > marlene melpignano wrote: >> >> Dear All, >> >> Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a lymphoma or >> >> a leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot even have a >> >> conclusive result). >> >> My vet in Italy thinks I have to bring him to a university clinic to have >> >> a bone marrow exam, in order to decide whether a chemotherapy is worth >> >> while. >> >> >> >> Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats? Have >> >> you treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat? >> >> >> >> About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal in >> >> Europe and they would give me something similar in case I decide not to >> >> go for chemotherap
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol....
That is one step in the right direction and who knows she might just do some research or read your information and change her mind. Margo wrote: > Prenisolone and prednisone are interchangeable. Most Vet's (mine is not one) believe that prednisolone is better utilized by cats, because one step of the metabolization process is eliminated. Prednisone must be processed into prednisolone in the liver beofre cats can use it. "Why are there two versions of this catabolic steroid? First of all, if the thought of steroids and cats causes you to picture your cat gaining muscle mass and getting ripped, those performance-enhancing drugs are anabolic steroids, which build up. Catabolic steroids do the opposite; they break down. A cat’s liver processes prednisone, turning it into prednisolone. Prednisolone, then, is prescribed for cats with weak or compromised livers." (from http://www.catster.com/lifestyle/prednisone-for-cats) And while my Vet doesn't believe it much matters, she has prescribed prednisolone for me to have on hand, so I can do things my way... -Original Message- >From: Amani Oakley >Sent: Nov 2, 2017 7:02 PM >To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol > >Hi Bob > >When I was treating Zander, all the vets were using prednisone on cats, so >that is what I used on Zander. I don’t agree it is useless. I have used >prednisone on other cats, with good result. However, I now understand that >prednisolone is a derivative of prednisone and is better and safer for cats. >This is my understanding as to why this was changed, but I have heard from >vets that the two are interchangeable in terms of dosage, etc. > >Amani ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Compiled info on Winstrol
Good for you! That is what I did and my vet was impressed with the amount of information and said it certainly was worth investigating. More people should give vets a nudge to get them to research before saying no. kresch...@mchsi.com wrote: > Dear Kitty Friends, > I've attached a number of exchanges regarding the use of Winstrol to combat > FeLV. I;m taking my compilation to my vet and telling her (well firmly > asking) to read through the information and begin to do her own research. Our > vets need to do at least two pieces of research/investigation. First, they > need to research the efficacy of using steroids on cats and secondly, they > need to find legal supply routes to obtain Winstrol/Stargate. If I've missed > any significant parts of our exchanges, please tell me and resend those > parts. I'll add them to what we have and it will all be in one place. Thanks > to all of you for weighing in on this critical subject ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Stargate
No appology necessary. It is great news that someone besides us cares enough to do what is right. marlene melpignano wrote: > Sorry for spamming, but I wanted to share my joy with you. > My friend just brought me the stargate. > I am proud of my country, my Italian vet, the Italian pharmacist, my family > and my friends that arranged everything in less than 12 hours. > Maybe it won't have any effects, but with all their contributions they are > giving me the possibility to try. > Above all my country that kept it legal for animals, despite all the stupid > humans abusing of it. > And thanks to Ardy, Sandy, Amani, Lorrie, dlgegg and you all for the support. > Marlène and Microbo > > > > [cid:1c57407f-6d40-4c55-874f-2de3209e986e@eurprd09.prod.outlook.com] > > > > > Inviato da iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Stargate
Sorry for spamming, but I wanted to share my joy with you. My friend just brought me the stargate. I am proud of my country, my Italian vet, the Italian pharmacist, my family and my friends that arranged everything in less than 12 hours. Maybe it won't have any effects, but with all their contributions they are giving me the possibility to try. Above all my country that kept it legal for animals, despite all the stupid humans abusing of it. And thanks to Ardy, Sandy, Amani, Lorrie, dlgegg and you all for the support. Marlène and Microbo [cid:1c57407f-6d40-4c55-874f-2de3209e986e@eurprd09.prod.outlook.com] Inviato da iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Compiled info on Winstrol
Dear Kitty Friends, I've attached a number of exchanges regarding the use of Winstrol to combat FeLV. I;m taking my compilation to my vet and telling her (well firmly asking) to read through the information and begin to do her own research. Our vets need to do at least two pieces of research/investigation. First, they need to research the efficacy of using steroids on cats and secondly, they need to find legal supply routes to obtain Winstrol/Stargate. If I've missed any significant parts of our exchanges, please tell me and resend those parts. I'll add them to what we have and it will all be in one place. Thanks to all of you for weighing in on this critical subject Feline Leukemia notes.docx Description: MS-Word 2007 document ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol....
Prenisolone and prednisone are interchangeable. Most Vet's (mine is not one) believe that prednisolone is better utilized by cats, because one step of the metabolization process is eliminated. Prednisone must be processed into prednisolone in the liver beofre cats can use it. "Why are there two versions of this catabolic steroid? First of all, if the thought of steroids and cats causes you to picture your cat gaining muscle mass and getting ripped, those performance-enhancing drugs are anabolic steroids, which build up. Catabolic steroids do the opposite; they break down. A cat’s liver processes prednisone, turning it into prednisolone. Prednisolone, then, is prescribed for cats with weak or compromised livers." (from http://www.catster.com/lifestyle/prednisone-for-cats) And while my Vet doesn't believe it much matters, she has prescribed prednisolone for me to have on hand, so I can do things my way... -Original Message- >From: Amani Oakley >Sent: Nov 2, 2017 7:02 PM >To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol > >Hi Bob > >When I was treating Zander, all the vets were using prednisone on cats, so >that is what I used on Zander. I don’t agree it is useless. I have used >prednisone on other cats, with good result. However, I now understand that >prednisolone is a derivative of prednisone and is better and safer for cats. >This is my understanding as to why this was changed, but I have heard from >vets that the two are interchangeable in terms of dosage, etc. > >Amani ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] erasing redundant posts...
I guess it's individual preference. I doagree with changing subject, in the form of "New Topic/was Old Topic" But I like not having to log in and search to find what has gone before. I always get doubles of Bob's posts. I'll try to remember to delete. Margo Well took three sections to delete. I'll just read. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help
Hi Ken, Would you be willing to share your compilation so others could print for their Vets, as well? I keep trying to get it all together, but I can't seem to be cohesive. I think it would be very helpful :) Thanks, Margo -Original Message- >From: kresch...@mchsi.com >Sent: Nov 2, 2017 10:18 AM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - >help > >Good Morningh all-- >I've been following the posts to Marlene and others regarding >Winstrol/Stargate. I began following when my feral-turned-wonderful-domestic >Tuxedo, Zorro, became ill with FeLV. We tried the Prednisolone route and he >perked up for a week or so but then just slept more and more as his red count >bottomed out. I laid next to him as he died and shared that with all of you at >that time. What I'm writing about now is what we must do for future cats that >may contract FeLV. I have printed the pertinent information that began with >Amani and then others regarding Winstrol and Stargate minus any links and >email addresses. I am taking this info to my Vet and telling her to start her >research immediately. I will also tell her she could be the first Vet in our >area to truly treat our kitties with a drug that works. If we all present the >information we've been sharing we will begin a ground-swell of interest and >hope. >Ken >- Original Message - >From: dlg...@windstream.net >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Sent: Thu, 02 Nov 2017 09:21:32 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - >help > >Prayers for you and your baby. > > marlene melpignano wrote: >> Dear all, >> Good news: Winstrol is legal in Italy for animals and is called stargate. I >> found a pharmacist who can send it to me in Belgium or I will go to Rome >> myself on Saturday, he also said it is highly used in Italy for felv cats. >> What is better, pills or injections? >> I thought of pills to cause less stress, but I read it may be more toxic for >> the liver compared to the injectable one . >> I am also bringing the cat to a French specialised clinic this afternoon >> just to get a better opinion than the Belgian one. >> >> Thanks all for your support. >> Best >> M&M >> >> Inviato da iPhone >> >> > Il giorno 02 nov 2017, alle ore 05:28, Ardy Robertson >> > ha scritto: >> > >> > Marlene - My Tigger had an active leukemia when I began Winstrol, based on >> > his bloodwork. and he also was not eating. I gave him an appetite >> > stimulant called Mirtazapine, only a half of a 7.5 mg tablet, every 3rd >> > day, and that boosted his appetite. I also fed him the canned cat food >> > that they sell for after surgeries - it is very calorie dense but I don't >> > remember the name of it. Sometimes I had to clip a towel around him and >> > syringe feed him a little. I did not want to do that because he didn't >> > like having me do that, but I made up my mind that if was going to make >> > it, he had to have some food in him. I believe Amani knows the name of >> > another good appetite stimulant. When he would not drink any water, I gave >> > him clam juice (we called it his kitty cocktail)- he loved it. It is just >> > shameful that Winstrol is not legal for this use - they hold a grudge >> > against it because of the misuse of it by a few athletes. So our kitties >> > have to suffer without the one thing that can help them. It is also >> > important to combine it with the Prednisolone and the Doxycyclene because >> > the Doxy has some property whereby it prevents the virus from replicating. >> > Best of luck with his treatment!! >> > >> > Ardy >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of >> > dlg...@windstream.net >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 1:47 PM >> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator >> > - help >> > >> > Don't apologize for questions, that is one way we learn. I have had no >> > problems, but am sure Amani and others do have answers for you >> > >> > marlene melpignano wrote: >> >> Dear All, >> >> Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a lymphoma or >> >> a leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot even have a >> >> conclusive result). >> >> My vet in Italy thinks I have to bring him to a university clinic to have >> >> a bone marrow exam, in order to decide whether a chemotherapy is worth >> >> while. >> >> >> >> Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats? Have >> >> you treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat? >> >> >> >> About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal in >> >> Europe and they would give me something similar in case I decide not to >> >> go for chemotherapy. However, they would like to know wheth
