Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 22, Issue 3
Raven update Vet gave her an antibiotic and Rimadyl/Caprofen injection. Tried to convince me she could have eaten a pin or something and might be an abscess but wasn't sure. So waiting to see if antibiotic works but am certain finding a vet here with much experience with Felv is going to be hard. felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: >Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > >You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Raven has enlarged node (Sabrina Doyle) > 2. Re: Raven has enlarged node (Marsha) > 3. Raven has enlarged lymph nodes (gidge...@aol.com) > 4. Re: Raven has enlarged node (dlg...@windstream.net) > > >------ > >Message: 1 >Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 18:15:23 + (UTC) >From: Sabrina Doyle <pa_celtiche...@yahoo.com> >To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> >Subject: [Felvtalk] Raven has enlarged node >Message-ID: > <609715096.5843357.1455732923519.javamail.ya...@mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi everyone,Our 9 month old Raven?has enlarged lymph node in her neck. No > fever or eating issues and very active. Called for an appointment with vet. > But wanted to know your thoughts before I discuss with him. I read here often > for your experience. She also has eye on same side closing slightly. > Appreciate any and all suggestions.Thank youSabrina >-- next part -- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: ><http://felineleukemia.org/pipermail/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/attachments/20160217/79ae4ec2/attachment-0001.html> > >-- > >Message: 2 >Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 12:28:15 -0600 >From: Marsha <mar...@lynxe.com> >To: Sabrina Doyle <pa_celtiche...@yahoo.com>, > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Raven has enlarged node >Message-ID: <56c4bbbf.6020...@lynxe.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed" > >Hi Sabrina, > >An enlarged lymph node in the neck could be a sign of infection, or >could indicate cancer. I'm not sure if there are other possibilities. >If there is a mass or abscess is causing pressure on the eye, it might >be difficult to get a sample, unless part of it is near the skin surface. > >Marsha > >On 2/17/2016 12:15 PM, Sabrina Doyle wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> Our 9 month old Raven has enlarged lymph node in her neck. No fever or >> eating issues and very active. Called for an appointment with vet. But >> wanted to know your thoughts before I discuss with him. I read here >> often for your experience. She also has eye on same side closing >> slightly. Appreciate any and all suggestions. >> Thank you >> Sabrina >> > >-- next part -- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: ><http://felineleukemia.org/pipermail/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/attachments/20160217/86f9f116/attachment-0001.html> > >-- > >Message: 3 >Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 15:56:16 -0500 >From: gidge...@aol.com >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: [Felvtalk] Raven has enlarged lymph nodes >Message-ID: <152f104e5a6-12ae-8...@webprd-m17.mail.aol.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >Hi Sabrina, This is how we found FeLV in our 5 month old kitty (at the time). > The vet ran all blood work > > >and everything was out of normal ranges. She mentioned possibility of cancer, >but luckily it was not. >She put her on Orbax and Clavamox. That was 2 months ago. The nodes are >slowly still going down. >She also put her on RX Immuno Support. Today, no fever, nodes are almost to >normal size. Don't >give up. Continue with treatment as it could go down. All Kit's blood work >today is normal (knock >on wood). > > >Nancy & Kit >-- next part -- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: ><http://felineleukemia.org/pipermail/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/attachments/20160217/b68ae53d/attachment-0001.html> > >-
[Felvtalk] Raven has enlarged node
Hi everyone,Our 9 month old Raven has enlarged lymph node in her neck. No fever or eating issues and very active. Called for an appointment with vet. But wanted to know your thoughts before I discuss with him. I read here often for your experience. She also has eye on same side closing slightly. Appreciate any and all suggestions.Thank youSabrina___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] New member
Hi Lorrie, Don't give up hope! I just posted a couple of days ago about the two kitties I rescued who were positive just were retested and are now negative!! Of course I don't know if what I did had anything to do with changing their status, but if you are interested in the diet I fed them and the supplements I gave them, contact me offlist. Furthermore, the FeLV vaccine doesn't have a terribly high efficacy even now. Someone on one of these lists said she worked in a cat clinic for a number of years and out of the 2000 or so cases of leukemia she saw, most of the ones who died had been vaccinated for the disease. Sabrina www.Pet-Sitter-Pro.com www.LovingGraceRescue.org Orange County, CA ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FelV Vaccine
My vet said that the vaccine is 90+% effective and that the likelihood of my other six adult, healthy cats getting leukemia was extremely small. In my opinion, one needs to look at all of the factors before deciding whether or not to vaccinate. 1) Vaccine efficacy. I have heard anywhere from 30% to 70% efficacy, but I can't find anything online that says anything concrete. 2) Animal's risk of exposure. Adult cats are less susceptible to contracting FeLV than kittens. the degree of virus exposure sufficient to infect 100% of young kittens will infect only 30% or fewer adults. Source: http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/brochures/felv.html 3) Vaccine side effects, short-term and long-term. There are some potentially serious side effects from the leukemia vaccine that need to be taken into consideration when deciding to vaccinate a cat. Adverse effects from vaccination can include local swelling or pain, transient lethargy or fever, post-vaccination granuloma formation (a gathering of inflammatory cells that cause a benign lump), and most seriously, *vaccine associated sarcomas.*http://www.catvaccines.com/sarcomas.htmA sarcoma is a type of a mass that is comprised of cancerous cells. Sarcomas can spread from the site of the injection down into surrounding connective tissue, muscle, and bone. Even with chemotherapy, radiation, and surgical removal some cats have died from vaccine-associated sarcomas. Although sarcomas have been reported from vaccines other than the feline leukemia virus (rabies is thought to be associated with possible sarcoma formation), current scientific research links sarcoma formation most often with feline leukemia vaccination. Source: http://www.catvaccines.com/feline_vaccination_guidelines.htm I no longer vaccinate my personal cats at ALL, and vaccinate my rescues minimally or not at all. In the case with my FeLV+ kitties, I did not vaccinate for anything at all. It IS a very personal choice, and one that should not be taken lightly. Sabrina www.Pet-Sitter-Pro.com www.LovingGraceRescue.org Orange County, CA ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] THEY'RE NEGATIVE!!!!!
I AM curious about the liver as a rescuer here nearly killed 4 kittens feeding them liver. Maybe that was all she gave them? I fed the kitties a balanced diet - organs, muscle meat, bone, a little bit of veg, etc., and about 1 tablespoon per kitty per day of liver Sabrina www.Pet-Sitter-Pro.com www.LovingGraceRescue.org Orange County, CA ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Help with raw diet
Hi April, If you are feeding a balanced raw diet, there will be no need for either of these supplements. Check out RawPaws: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawpaws/ for more information on how to properly balance a raw diet. Sabrina www.Pet-Sitter-Pro.com www.LovingGraceRescue.org Orange County, CA ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT - Ants
I second the corn meal suggestion. Sabrina www.Pet-Sitter-Pro.com www.LovingGraceRescue.org Orange County, CA ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?
My understanding is that bloodwork is done to determine how much immunity an animal has. Nothing can determine how much *immunity* an animal has, unfortunately. Titers only tell you how many disease-fighting antibodies are present in the blood. Quote from: http://www.caberfeidh.com/Titers.htm A titer test does not and cannot measure immunity, because immunity to specific viruses is reliant not on antibodies, but on memory cells, which we have no way to measure. Lots of good info on the above page - check it out! Titers are certainly better than revaccinating, but don't necessarily tell you much. So what does a low or zero titer tell you? Nothing much. A high titer is strongly correlated with either recent infection or good immunity, but the opposite isn't true. Sabrina www.Pet-Sitter-Pro.com www.LovingGraceRescue.org Orange County, CA ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Healthy dry foods?
Hi Giselle, Glad to hear that Pixie is doing so well! I would drop Nutro like it's on fire! It's better than some foods, but it's still FULL of ingredients that our kitties are not designed to eat. Remember, cats are obligate carnivores, so they have ABSOLUTELY NO NEED for grains! They need MEAT, and a little, tiny bit of vegetable matter. If they do eat these foods they were never meant to eat, over time, it shows. Their bodies have to deal with these products that they don't know how to digest, which takes it's toll on the body. Especially the filtering organs like the liver and kidneys as they have to filter out the toxins. Arthritis, allergies, kidney/liver disorders, you name it. The BEST thing for our kitties is a natural, raw diet of meat, bone, and a little bit of veggies. Yes, it's a bit more work than opening a bag of food, but remember that these commercial foods were created to be a convenience to pet owners and food produced for convenience are rarely, if ever, nutritionally adequate. I'll be honest, raw feeding can be VERY intimidating at first, but then you'll get the hang of it. There are also Yahoo groups that can help you prepare a nutritionally-balanced diet. Contact me off-list if you'd like more info. Like I said, the BEST food for an animal is a home-prepared raw diet. Second best would be a commercially prepared raw diet. Then a home-prepared cooked, then a canned food only diet, and at the bottom of the list would be dry food only. If you MUST feed a dry food, go for Innova EVO, Wellness CORE, Nature's Variety (Prairie) Raw Instinct, or another grain-free cat food. These are somewhat better than grain-filled cat foods, but they are still HIGH on carbohydrates, and have FAR more carbs than our kitties can process. Whatever you do, stay far, FAR away from the best-known brands, like Science Diet, Iams/Eukanuba, Purina, Friskies, Meow Mix, etc. These companies spend so much money on advertising that there's really no money left over for the actual food, so they are about the lowest quality you can find. Well, actually, vet-prescribed diets are the lowest quality, but that's another rant all-together! Sabrina www.Pet-Sitter-Pro.com www.LovingGraceRescue.org Orange County, CA ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?
Where are you that titers aren't accepted? Just curious. I *believe* that rabies titers are not accepted in lieu of the actual vaccine, as unnecessary as it may be, in any of the 50 states. Sabrina www.Pet-Sitter-Pro.com www.LovingGraceRescue.org Orange County, CA ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Need help-seeking forever home for feluk positive cat
She will be vaxed, checked out, and spayed before she is rehomed. Can you get around vaxing her? If she is FeLV+, she should NOT be vaccinated. Only healthy, virus-free animals should be vaccinated. Check your vaccine manufacturer's directions. This is what my vaccine (Intervet Protex-3) says on the label: Only healthy animals should be vaccinated. Animals incubating any disease, or animals stressed due to shipping, malnutrition or parasitism may not achieve or maintain an adequate immune response. Her immune system is being taxed by the virus, she does not need further challenges to her immune system. Contrary to popular belief, vaccines are NOT harmless. Sabrina www.Pet-Sitter-Pro.com www.LovingGraceRescue.org Orange County, CA ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?
my Ash is FeLV+ and getting neutered on the 28th, but he's going in for all his shots on the 14th. He needs to be fixed because he's spraying and I can't have that. He can't be fixed without his vaxes. Find a vet who will do the neuter without vaccinating first. It can be tough, but there are more and more vets who are becoming enlightened to the fact that vaccines are serious medicine. I worked briefly in a vet's office a few years ago, and I clearly remember a client coming in to say that she found a dog and she asked if it would hurt him if he had already been vaccinated, to vaccinate him now. The vet, unequivocally, said there were NO side effects, NO harm in vaccinating, 2, 3, 4, 100 times in a row. At the time, I had no reason to believe otherwise, but now, I will NEVER vaccinate my current animals again, and future animals will be vaccinated minimally, if at all as well. Sabrina www.Pet-Sitter-Pro.com www.LovingGraceRescue.org Orange County, CA ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?
I had no idea vets didn't need to vaccinate in order to neuter/spay. I guess it's their way of getting more money. I will run that by my vet and tell him I don't want Ash to get any shots because of his FeLV+ status, and see what he says. Be prepared for him to say that vaccinating is harmless. Let me find a couple of quick references for you to print out and show your vet in just such an occasion. [ Searching, Searching ] Flyer #1 http://www.turnerzoo.net/Flyers/Feline/VACCINATION_flyer1-cat.pdf- Simple, straightforward, and with references Flyer #2 http://www.turnerzoo.net/Flyers/Feline/VACCINATION_flyer2-cat.pdf- Similar to #1, but with some different references. Sabrina www.Pet-Sitter-Pro.com www.LovingGraceRescue.org Orange County, CA ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] like seeing a ghost
Hi Lynne, Well, regardless of whether you want to take him, you should at least call the field worker because from what you are describing, this kitty has obviously been neglected! Sabrina www.Pet-Sitter-Pro.com www.LovingGraceRescue.org Orange County, CA ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
