Re: [Felvtalk] raw food diet

[Saehwa Kang]

Hi all,
I'm new to the forum and here to help my father with his felv positive  
kitten.

She is on EVO, but was wondering if a raw food diet would be better  
for her immunity?

Any experience with an optimal diet or feedback would be great.

Thanks,
Saehwa

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Re: [Felvtalk] New to group

[Saehwa Kang]

I just joined the group and got some good news this past Friday. Lola,  
the 6 month old feral kitten we resued tested positive on the ELISA  
test at 9 weeks, 11 weeks,

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On Oct 19, 2008, at 10:17 AM, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've been mixing *except kittens* for nearly 15 years now.  I've  
> never had it transferred.  Your cats should not have a problem.   
> Good luck!
>  tonya
>
> Tracey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Hello,
> I have to say this is a very enlightening forum. I have learned so  
> much
> from you all! I found a stray 2 months ago at work who was in  
> terrible condition,
> near death, starving, fleas, worms, etc. She had a 'tipped' ear and  
> I found out
> later she was an Indy Feral cat who was in the TNR program. Don't  
> know whether
> she was actually 'feral' though, but I doubt it because she has  
> become quite lovable.
> Had her tested at a low cost clinic and was +. The vet there said  
> her teeth didn't
> look so good and that was typical in feral cats.
> When I took her to my regular vet, he somehow neglected to even look  
> in her
> mouth and he said as a + she'd live a couple months to a year,  
> giving a very grim
> diagnosis. I tried not to prod at her too much at first since she  
> was in such a
> delicate condition, but about a week after the vet appt, I noticed  
> she was missing
> all of her tiny teeth on the top and all but one of the little ones  
> on the bottom. I was
> horrified and it was then realized that my vet hadn't even looked in  
> her mouth.
> After nursing her back to health, she has become very healthy except  
> for some
> sneezing spells every now and then. This does worry me because  
> sometimes
> mucus comes out. She had extreme uncontrollable diarrhea
> when I first got her, which after using fortiflora for a month  
> helped a lot, but did
> not cure it completely. For the last week I have been feeding her a  
> raw chicken
> diet (I have been feeding my other 3 cats this diet since February  
> with amazing results)
> and her diarrhea is completely gone.
> So she's been in my bathroom isolated from my other cats this entire  
> time, and she
> really does seem to be happy there but I hate to keep them  
> separated. I am getting
> ready to take her to the vet again to have her teeth checked out  
> because her breath
> is really terrible (seeing a different vet there though). I am  
> worried about stressing her
> out by taking her to the vet and I know they will recommend a  
> cleaning which will
> probably stress her even more, but having an unhealthy mouth would  
> be worse on
> her than the experience of a cleaning. Right?
> I have 3 other (negative) cats, 2 are adults and one is about 1 year  
> and 5 months
> (I guess you'd call her an adult, she did just have her 2nd dose of  
> the felv vax) These
> 2 vets say they would absolutely NOT mix.
> My question to all of you who mix is: Have any of your negatives  
> become + ?? Any advice
> would be greatly appreciated.
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] New to group

[Saehwa Kang]

Oops, truncated message.
She tested 30% positive (small, faded dot) at 9 weeks.

Same at 11 weeks.

Then retested at 5.5 months old- positive again.

All 3 were the Elisa test. 

Then our vet recommended the PCR test, which he says can detect even minute 
amounts of the virus, and is more accurate than the IFA.

Test results came back-- she is negative! We believe this is a miracle, as we 
didn't hold out much hope she'd turn positive. 

So it does happen. My Dad has been feeding her EVO, and also probiotics. She is 
indoors only, up to date on her combo shot, dewormed, and really healthy 
otherwise. She had a poor appetite though for the most part. She is completely 
isolated from the other kittens we rescued, and my Dad is super vigilant about 
washing hands, keeping all areas and bedding, food, etc. separate...



-Original Message-----
From: Saehwa Kang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 6:44 pm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New to group








I just joined the group and got some good news this past Friday. Lola,  
the 6 month old feral kitten we resued tested positive on the ELISA  
test at 9 weeks, 11 weeks,

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On Oct 19, 2008, at 10:17 AM, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've been mixing *except kittens* for nearly 15 years now.  I've  
> never had it transferred.  Your cats should not have a problem.   
> Good luck!
>  tonya
>
> Tracey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
et> wrote:
>  Hello,
> I have to say this is a very enlightening forum. I have learned so  
> much
> from you all! I found a stray 2 months ago at work who was in  
> terrible condition,
> near death, starving, fleas, worms, etc. She had a 'tipped' ear and  
> I found out
> later she was an Indy Feral cat who was in the TNR program. Don't  
> know whether
> she was actually 'feral' though, but I doubt it because she has  
> become quite lovable.
> Had her tested at a low cost clinic and was +. The vet there said  
> her teeth didn't
> look so good and that was typical in feral cats.
> When I took her to my regular vet, he somehow neglected to even look  
> in her
> mouth and he said as a + she'd live a couple months to a year,  
> giving a very grim
> diagnosis. I tried not to prod at her too much at first since she  
> was in such a
> delicate condition, but about a week after the vet appt, I noticed  
> she was missing
> all of her tiny teeth on the top and all but one of the little ones  
> on the bottom. I was
> horrified and it was then realized that my vet hadn't even looked in  
> her mouth.
> After nursing her back to health, she has become very healthy except  
> for some
> sneezing spells every now and then. This does worry me because  
> sometimes
> mucus comes out. She had extreme uncontrollable diarrhea
> when I first got her, which after using fortiflora for a month  0A> helped a 
> lot, but did
> not cure it completely. For the last week I have been feeding her a  
> raw chicken
> diet (I have been feeding my other 3 cats this diet since February  
> with amazing results)
> and her diarrhea is completely gone.
> So she's been in my bathroom isolated from my other cats this entire  
> time, and she
> really does seem to be happy there but I hate to keep them  
> separated. I am getting
> ready to take her to the vet again to have her teeth checked out  
> because her breath
> is really terrible (seeing a different vet there though). I am  
> worried about stressing her
> out by taking her to the vet and I know they will recommend a  
> cleaning which will
> probably stress her even more, but having an unhealthy mouth would  
> be worse on
> her than the experience of a cleaning. Right?
> I have 3 other (negative) cats, 2 are adults and one is about 1 year  
> and 5 months
> (I guess you'd call her an adult, she did just have her 2nd dose of  
> the felv vax) These
> 2 vets say they would absolutely NOT mix.
> My question to all of you who mix is: Have any of your negatives  
> become + ?? Any advice
> would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Tracey
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Re: [Felvtalk] chemmo for Pupa

[Saehwa Kang]

 I just wanted everyone to know that just b/c your kitty tests positive on the 
ELISA, even twice, at month or more long intervals, it doesn't mean your kitty 
is FeLV positive. I am seeing adoption ads for people who give the ELISA test 
once, and think the kitten has to be adopted out and can't live with them 
anymore. This is not true in every case.

Lola was in this situation, and fought off the disease---probiotics, high 
quality food (Evo), indoor only home, quality interaction and love, plus low 
stress environment (no other cats, except for a few fosters which were kept 
totally separate). My Dad was diligent about trying to provide the best quality 
home he could for her, so she could knock out the disease. She did, and now she 
now has natural immunity to FeLV. Of course, it won't work in every case, but 
it shouldn't stop us from having hope...



 

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From: Alice hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 7:59 am
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] chemmo for Pupa










THANK YOU!!! I'm calling my vet today.
Alice
  - Original Message - 
  From: Belinda Sauro 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:56 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] chemmo for Pupa


  By this comment I was talking about CO-Q 10

  > Normally 30mg is the dose given once daily, this is what my vet 
  > recommended to me.

  -- 

  Belinda
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Re: [Felvtalk] seeking home for adult feluk positive

[Saehwa Kang]

How did you get the rescue to take them? Are they calicos or an  
atypical type? I called 16 places all turned me down. I'm not the one  
who abandoned these kittens my dad found, but I get treated just the  
same as an owner relinquishing their cats!

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On Oct 23, 2008, at 10:58 AM, Amy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Very true.  I have two outside right now that I'm trying to get  
> homes for.  I have called every rescue I know and I think I have  
> somebody that will take them but things are moving so slow.  I want  
> these kitties to have a safe place to go but I can't bring them in  
> my home because of my cats.  I feel awful for these cats.  I asked  
> my husband how they always know to find me!  If somebody doesn't  
> come through by tomorrow, I'm going to take them to a vet myself and  
> then I have no idea what next.  I hope they don't test positive for  
> anything.
>
> Amy
>
>
> --- On Thu, 10/23/08, Viky Digangi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> From: Viky Digangi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] seeking home for adult feluk positive
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 1:47 PM
>> I think all of us cat people are constantly trying to find
>> homes for abandoned kitties.  I have spent $215 this week on
>> one that was dumped on me.  Thank God she is healthy at
>> least since I am the owner of an felv cat who I am always
>> taking to the vet.  I spent $234 on him last week.  A friend
>> of mine gave me a little placque one time that says,
>> "There's a sucker born every minute and the stray
>> cats know where we live."
>>
>> So true.
>>
>>
>>
>> Viky Digangi
>> Support Enforcement Officer II
>> Monroe Regional Office
>> 318-362-5280 ext 297
>> Fax 318-362-3363
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> 10/23/2008 12:04 PM >>>
>> Ouch.  Glad you made it.
>>
>> Yeah, with 9 FeLV+ cats and 12 seniors it is time to say
>> no.  You have a lot of cats who require a lot of care right
>> now.  And you need to take care of yourself too.
>>
>>
>> --- On Wed, 10/22/08, Tad Burnett
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Tad Burnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] seeking home for adult feluk
>> positive
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 9:02 PM
>>> Hi Susan
>>>   Every one has orange kitties lately...
>>> I just brought home a young orange boy a couple months
>> ago
>>> and discovered I was having a heart attack the next
>>> morning...
>>> 4 days in the hospital... I currently have 9 FeLV+ and
>> 12
>>> seniors
>>> and am learning to say NO
>>>  In the mean time there are 4  6month old orange
>> kittens
>>> in eastern Mass.
>>> that are running out of time Help
>>> Tad
>>>
>>> Susan Hoffman wrote:
>>>
 Looks like it.

 How's your FeLv population anyway?  (I have a
>>> lovely sweet FeLV+ girl --light orange/buff tabby --
>> living
>>> outside a house I just rented in need of a home.)


 --- On Wed, 10/22/08, Tad Burnett
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



> From: Tad Burnett
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] seeking home for adult
>>> feluk positive
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 8:34 PM
> Am I still connected to this list 
> Tad
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] ALL KITTENS NEGATIVE !!!! YIPPE !!!!!!!!!

[Saehwa Kang]

That is awesome!!!

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On Oct 28, 2008, at 8:20 AM, "Laurieskatz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

> Thanks for this...that really is great news!!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:55 AM
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> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ALL KITTENS NEGATIVE  YIPPE !
>
> Yes,   they get some *particles or something from nursing the Mom,  
> but if
> they have a strong immune system, they can *throw it off in time* .   
> That is
> why I waited so long to get them tested.to give the immune system  
> time to do
> that.  They say it is transferred in the Mom's milk!
>
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> Quote from various consumers! 
> "I called the Pet Food Company and they said their foods are 100%  
> safe"
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Laurieskatz  
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Great news!
>> Wonder if the babies are at risk if nursing? Did vet say anything  
>> about
>> that?
>> Just curious.
>> Keep sharing your message of hope!!
>> Laurie
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rosenfeldt,
>> Diane
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:44 AM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ALL KITTENS NEGATIVE  YIPPE !
>>
>> I'm so happy for your good news!!  The kittens are precious (as all
>> kittens are) and the pic of "THE PILE" makes me want to join them  
>> in the
>> cage.  Here are vibes that they all find just the right homes!
>>
>> Diane R.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:49 PM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] ALL KITTENS NEGATIVE  YIPPE !
>>
>> This is a story that I am hoping will give those of you who have a
>> positive
>> Mom, with a litter of kittens, some hope!
>>
>> I was told by so many rescues and cat related people and vets etc  
>> that
>> because Mom tested positive, the kitten would no doubt be also.
>>
>> I was also told by the rescue I am working with, that the loner I  
>> could
>> wait
>> to test them, the better chance they have of *throwing it off* and  
>> they
>> get
>> it in their system from the mom's milk.
>>
>> Well, on October 13th, they *ALL* tested negative !~
>> So..there is hope for kittens of positive Mom's !
>> They were born between June 20th and June 27th, so waiting until  
>> October
>> gave them lots of time... and it worked!  Thank goodness.
>>
>> You can see lots of photos of them and read the story here on my  
>> forum.
>> I
>> have the most gorgeous photos of each one by themselves in the bottom
>> post  The first post has the story about them and videos of
>> them.
>>
>> Enjoy .it is a wonderful outcome and I hope it
>> encourages
>> anyone who needs it :)  :)
>>
>> http://www.animalsspeak.org/2008-09-00-a-rescue-story-successful-not-suc
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> cessful-sigh-t1238.html#p2015 e-story-successful-not-successful-sigh-t1238.html#p2015>
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Re: [Felvtalk] tests

[Saehwa Kang]

The ELISA test takes a blood sample from the lower leg, and is  
inexpensive. It's not that accurate, as there are false positives and  
sometimes false negatives. We had 2 three month old kittens who became  
negative within 1 month, and one that became negative 3 months later.

You can retest after about 2-3 months with the Elisa again. Better yet  
is the IFA test. It checks whether the felv has reached the bone  
marrow- the vet sends a blood sample to a lab and is a tad more  
expensive but much more accurate.

However,the best alternative after a positice elisa test is the new  
PCR test. It's so new you won't see it in many google searches. It can  
detect even minute quanitites of the virus and is the most accurate  
test out there- also sent to the lab. Best after two consecutive  
positive ELISA tests.

Your kitties can fight off the virus and change to negative though  
it's not guaranteed. They probably got it from their mother. Many  
kittens can and do fight it off which is why early testinf is often  
inaccurate. In order to do so, you'll need to provide a low stress  
environment, indoor only home to reduce exposure to germs, premium  
food mostly canned (wellness, innova evo, natures variety  
instinct,etc), clean the litterbox and dishes daily and have more than  
one box, vaccuum and keep them flea and worm free, as well as spend  
time playing with the kittens and giving them affection, toys, warm  
places to sleep.

There are no guarantees but it is possible to go from positive to  
negative. Just takes dedication and having hope...

And others will tell you a felv positive diagnosis is not a death  
sentence!
There are plenty of people here who have healthy cats with felv that  
have had long lives.

I don't know about financial assistance, but you should try and talk  
to your vet about payment options. The cheapest ELISA test I found ran  
about $25-30 here in LA.

Also, you can do you best to change their positive status to negative  
in the next few months. Even if they don't, you can adopt them out  
when they are a bit older after you've tried or just try to adopt them  
out now and tell people they are positive for now but could change..


On Oct 28, 2008, at 7:51 PM, SALLY NORDSTROM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

> I'm getting real confused about the available tests and their  
> accuracy.  Can anyone shed some light on this for me?
>
> I had to file a bankruptcy and can't afford testing.  Is there  
> someplace that can give me help?
>
> How hard is it going to be to place my rescued kittens in homes?   
> What resources should I be using?
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] tests

[Saehwa Kang]

I was told about the PCR test from my vet just about 2 weeks ago. I  
had never even heard of it, despite researching the other 2 tests  
extensively.

   I just tried a Google search for PCR feLV test" and got lots of  
hits so try that for more info. Some of the articles on PCR are  
outdated, as this test is now currently touted as a fast, effective  
method of detection.

  We thought the IFA was the most accurate, but our vet recommended  
the PCR bc it detects actual viral DNA not just the presence of  
antigens or the body's response to the virus. It's recommended after a  
positive ELISA test.

Yes, the vet said there can be false negatives on the ELISA due to  
recent exposure, and  that it can take up to one month to show up on  
the test.


On Oct 29, 2008, at 11:12 AM, MaryChristine  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> please provide information about the PCR test you're talking about.  
> the last
> i'd heard, there were none available that wree consistently accurate  
> and
> reliable--they've been working on this for a long time and haven't  
> been able
> to establish a test that's acceptibly accurate across many labs.
>
> i know that they HAVE developed one for FIV to determine if the  
> virus is
> vaccine-induced or not, but as of a month or so ago, it still wasn't
> commercially available, tho it's expected to be soon.
>
> as far as everything i've read, at this time, the IFA is still  
> considered
> the confirmatory test for FeLV. i'd love to see anything newer.
>
> what has to remembered with FeLV is that, unlike FIV, the ELISA test  
> is for
> ANTIGENS, not antibodies--so a cat can test negative merely because  
> the
> exposure was too recent tos how up--so the negative isn't "false,"  
> it just
> was too early. likewise, false positives may be false positives from  
> all the
> things inherent in the test, but they can also be true at that time:  
> the cat
> has been EXPOSED to the virus. antigens are NOT an immune response,  
> however,
> just an indiciation that the kitty has been closely exposed to the  
> virus.
>
> this is where the biggest misunderstandings arise: most adult cats  
> will
> throw the virus off anywhere between 30-120 days--their immune  
> systems will
> just knock it out. then a test will be negative because there are no  
> longer
> antigens wandering around irritating them. but if you test too soon,  
> you'll
> just get another positive result because the cat's body hasn't had the
> chance to work the virus out.
>
> doing an ELISA and an IFA right away will probably give you the same  
> result
> on both of them, because it's the EXPOSURE that's showing up. the  
> only real
> way to know is to consider a positive result for what it is: an  
> indication
> that kitty was in close contact with someone who had the virus. (we  
> don't
> know for sure, as far as i have seen, that a cat on the edge of  
> throwing off
> the virus itself can't still pass it on, perhaps at a subclinical
> level?)--if you know when the last date the kitty could have been in  
> contact
> with another cat, test if 90-120 later than that. with the IFA  
> (or if
> there really is a DNA/PCR test newly available, that one)
>
> and then make the decisions.
>
> MC
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Saehwa Kang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote:
>
>> The ELISA test takes a blood sample from the lower leg, and is
>> inexpensive. It's not that accurate, as there are false positives and
>> sometimes false negatives. We had 2 three month old kittens who  
>> became
>> negative within 1 month, and one that became negative 3 months later.
>>
>> You can retest after about 2-3 months with the Elisa again. Better  
>> yet
>> is the IFA test. It checks whether the felv has reached the bone
>> marrow- the vet sends a blood sample to a lab and is a tad more
>> expensive but much more accurate.
>>
>> However,the best alternative after a positice elisa test is the new
>> PCR test. It's so new you won't see it in many google searches. It  
>> can
>> detect even minute quanitites of the virus and is the most accurate
>> test out there- also sent to the lab. Best after two consecutive
>> positive ELISA tests.
>>
>> Your kitties can fight off the virus and change to negative though
>> it's not guaranteed. They probably got it from their mother. Many
>> kittens can and do fight it off which is why early testinf is often
>> inaccurate. In order to do so, you'll need to provide a low stress
>> environment, indoor o

Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

[Saehwa Kang]

Our vet told us to hold off on both shots and spay surgery until the  
final diagnosis.  It stresses their systems and makes them weak,  
thereby making it harder for them to fight off the disease...

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On Oct 29, 2008, at 2:29 PM, "MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 > wrote:

> Sally, I personally would not vaccinate a positive cat. See Jean  
> Dodds'
> and Charles Loop's (both vets) views here. (The paragraph below is  
> taken
> from the website.) Kerry M.
>
> http://www.newsagepress.com/protectyourpet.html
>
 All packages of vaccinations carry warnings that they should be
> injected only in healthy animals. In the case of cats, vaccine
> manufacturers advise against vaccinating pregnant or nursing cats.
> However, many pets are not healthy when vaccinated although they might
> not have outward signs of health problems. Charles Loops, DVM, a
> holistic veterinarian from Pittsboro, North Carolina, notes that
> "chemically killed viruses or bacteria are injected directly into the
> blood stream, which is an unnatural route of infection." (7) This  
> causes
> the animal's antibodies to attempt to fight off the offending virus
> molecules and render them harmless. If the animal's immune system is  
> too
> weakened, he or she cannot fight off these viruses and can develop a
> reaction to the vaccine. Even small amounts of a virus that is
> introduced through a vaccination may be too much for sick animals to
> fight off. They then may fall ill from the very disease to which they
> have been vaccinated.<<<
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> NORDSTROM
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>
> Another question.  My kittens tested positive with the ELISA test.   
> May
> they have their vaccines?  Mom gets tested Friday.  If positive, may  
> she
> have her vaccines?  May she be spayed?
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Re: [Felvtalk] seeking home for adult feluk positive

[Saehwa Kang]

This is where a pet trust and someone to adopt your kitties in these  
events would be important.

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On Oct 30, 2008, at 10:29 PM, "Kelley Saveika" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

> This is a good thing to worry about.  Our rescue has a program which  
> takes
> in animals if someone suddenly dies (the Nod Fund), but we can't  
> take them
> all in.  It is far better to make preparations.
>
> Check out this link:  http://www.2ndchance4pets.org/
>
> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:17 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WORRIES ME.  WHAT IF SUDDENLY CANNOT CARE  
>> FOR MY
>> CATS OR I DIE, WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM?  WORKING ON FINDING SOMEONE  
>> NOW SO THEY
>> CAN BE TAKEN CARE OF.  DORLIS
>>  catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> I'm glad you're all right Tad.  I've started saying no too.  If  
>>> something
>> were to happen to me, there's no one to take care of all the  
>> critters.  Take
>> care of yourself.
>>>  tonya
>>>
>>> Tad Burnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>  Hi Susan
>>> Every one has orange kitties lately...
>>> I just brought home a young orange boy a couple months ago
>>> and discovered I was having a heart attack the next morning...
>>> 4 days in the hospital... I currently have 9 FeLV+ and 12 seniors
>>> and am learning to say NO
>>> In the mean time there are 4 6month old orange kittens in eastern  
>>> Mass.
>>> that are running out of time Help
>>> Tad
>>>
>>> Susan Hoffman wrote:
>>>
 Looks like it.

 How's your FeLv population anyway? (I have a lovely sweet FeLV+  
 girl
>> --light orange/buff tabby -- living outside a house I just rented  
>> in need of
>> a home.)


 --- On Wed, 10/22/08, Tad Burnett wrote:



> From: Tad Burnett
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] seeking home for adult feluk positive
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 8:34 PM
> Am I still connected to this list 
> Tad
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?

[Saehwa Kang]

About a year ago, stray calico kitty that we fostered, and found a great home 
for had such a bloated belly when we saw her, we thought she was pregnant! I 
thought she was 99.999% pregnant, that is how large her stomach was. We took 
her to a local vet, and they offered to do an ultrasound and palpitation. It 
turned out it the vet said some cats get that way after starving and not being 
able to eat regularly. She had presumably been dumped by someone in the area, 
and was very domesticated and sweet. She was checked for worms-- clear, FeLV 
and FIV- clear, and is the picture of health, being spoiled by her human up in 
Northern Cali.:)

-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?








A vet can usually tell if fluid in the stomach "feels like" the type of
accumulation you find with FIP or not, if there is fluid, they will draw it
to see if characterisitic of FIP (straw colored) but the fluid should still
be tested.

FIP is frequently misdiagnosed.   And yes, many cats carry corona virus
their whole lives without ever developing FIP which is caused by a mutation
in the virus.

Wet fip (where you have a fluid effusion in the belly or chest cavity)
usually results in a very sick cat pretty quickly, so it's good if she's
eating, feels well, energetic, etc.

Would be good to have a vet check her belly to see what they think may be
going on in case it's something else, too, of course.

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:29 AM, MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> gloria, i'd love to see the link between ANTIBIOTICS, herpes and
> lysine/arginine--since it's the latter the keeps the herpes from
> replicating. there was just some research about using lysine in shelter
> cats; it's on the winn feline foundation blog--if read incorrectly, makes
> it
> sound as if lysine doesn't do anything, but the study wasn't designed to
> test what lysine can do, but something it's never claimed to! in the last
> three months, maybe even two---www.winnfelinehealth.org.
>
> zithromax is a wonder drug. in persians who come into rescue with symptoms
> of uri, we don't even try other antibiotics, we head right for the
> zithro...
>
> and kelley, i thought that cats process FeCoV out of their systems in most
> cases after a few months if everyone in the house isn't just passing it
> back
> in forth, or if new kitties aren't coming in--which is why cats in smaller
> households are less likely to show high titres? my understanding--could be
> wrong--is that the high percentage of cats (and humans) who test positive
> on
> CoV titres is at "any one time"--so the same sample won't necessarily do so
> the next time. grade-school teachers, for example, are going to be much
> more
> likely to have higher titres more of the year than say, oh, 57-year-olds,
> who stay home with their cats 6 days out of 7..
>
> as for the age thing with FIP, the one thing i know for sure is that there
> is mounting evidence (i'm not sure if they're declared it conclusive yet),
> of a genetic predisposition for common strains of FeCoV to mutate into FIP,
> so a predisposed cat whose immune system was able to prevent that earlier
> might not be so able as its immune system failed with age. i just question
> how many cases of unknown illnesses now diagnosed as FIP actually are.
> seems
> it's the answer of choice when vets don't know what's going on, or don't
> want to be bothered finding out, so somewhat more difficult to find
> patterns.
>
> MC
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hey Tonya, I might try some Azithromycin.  It's become my latest
> > discovery to try for the unknown. I've used it mostly in cats/kittens
> > with problem eyes.  I've read that some abx are said to affect Herpes,
> > because of the relationship between the two amino acids lysine and
> > arginine.  The zithro is more expensive, so that might be a
> > deterrent.  IT's liquid, as are amoxi and clinidamycin, so you have to
> > be able to squirt it in the mouth.
> >
> > Good luck,
> >
> > Gloria
> >
> >
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