Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

[Marsha]

Ardy, I adopted my FeLV+ boy Brock from Clark County Humane Society in 
Neillsville, WI.  He was at their shelter for 3 months before I adopted him.


Marsha


On 10/23/2015 6:45 PM, Ardy Robertson wrote:


As of this past January (2015), they were giving FIV vaccinations in 
combo with distemper, and a couple others, I think rabies, and is 
there a parvo one or something? I will ask next time I am there. This 
is in Osseo, WI.


I would hope shelters would have this knowledge. Otherwise they are 
very quick to euthanize. L





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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

[Kelley S]

I had a senior cat come into rescue  and I gave him a rabies shot as
required by law.  He developed AIHA (Automated Immune Hemolytic Anemia) and
after giving it a good fight passed away.  I had a fundraiser for him and
some of yall were nice enough to donate  He had DAILY CBC blood counts as
well as extremely strong meds (Leukeran, an anti cancer drug, was one.) I
will never ever be cavalier about vaccinations again - unfortunately Texas
does not accept titer tests for rabies but if your state does I would
HIGHLY encourage it.  Of course kittens do need an initial series...but
after that, especially for the seniors, vaccines can be terribly dangerous.

On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 9:13 PM, <dlg...@windstream.net> wrote:

> I have not vaccinated any of my cats for the last 5 years and no one has
> had any problems.  Most do not go out, just one and he stays in my yard or
> on the deck.  I am in the woods so do not have contact with many cats and
> dogs.  Last vaccination, one cat had a reaction, lost the hair around the
> site and was very sick.
>
>  Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote:
> > As of this past January (2015), they were giving FIV vaccinations in
> combo with distemper, and a couple others, I think rabies, and is there a
> parvo one or something? I will ask next time I am there. This is in Osseo,
> WI.
> >
> > I would hope shelters would have this knowledge. Otherwise they are very
> quick to euthanize. :(
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
> Of Kelley S
> > Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 2:11 AM
> > To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
> >
> >
> >
> > I hope no one in still giving combo vaccinations for FIV.  My
> understanding is that the FIV vaccine (but not the FELV vaccine) will cause
> a cat to test FIV+ for lifetime.  In the sad occasion kitty should get out
> and taken to a shelter, he will test FIV+ and that is not a good thing for
> a cat in a shelter.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 12:51 AM, Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net
> <mailto:ar...@centurytel.net> > wrote:
> >
> > So happy that the older cats did not get it - somewhere I read that
> after 11 months of age their immune system can usually fend it off.
> >
> > Another misconception that I had, when I took a stray cat in to be
> spayed and vaccinated, was that the "combo" vaccination they use for
> distemper, rabies, FIV and something else does not include a vaccination
> for FeLV. At that time, I had no idea that FIV and FeLV were two different
> things. (Of course I thought ONE distemper shot as  kitten was all you
> needed to give also.) But my point is -- it would be nice to have it all
> explained to you, and maybe some vet clinics do, but ours does not. Years
> ago I had an orange kitty named Scotchy that died right after being given a
> rabies vaccination too. They said it was rare.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org  felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> ] On Behalf Of Lee
> > Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 12:06 AM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
> >
> > Not sure my emails are going through. However I have to tell everyone
> that FeLv is not the horridly contagious disease that most vets would have
> us believe. Three years ago to the month my little Honey Bunny passed away
> from an active and virulent case of feline leukemia. Before we could try
> much of anything her system shut down. My vet is not a specialist and his
> take on it was that once leukemia is active nothing much can be done.
> >
> > Bunny was s cat who had tested positive at first so I kept her isolated
> for a month in a separate room. She was under a year old at the time of
> rescue and first test. On retesting, she had turned negative. However, I
> isolated her for another month just to be sure. Still negative so I moved
> her in with Samson and Delilah who both share my bedroom. Exactly a year
> later when Bunny was two years old, I noticed she was not scarfing down
> food as she had been doing. She grew lethargic and disinterested in playing
> and being mischievous. In a matter of three weeks she went from healthy to
> dead. The misery was that both Samson and Delilah had been thoroughly
> exposed.
> >
> > There is somewhat of a happy side of this sad story. It has been three
> years since their exposure and I recently tested both cats. They are both
> negative. My vet told m

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

[dlgegg]

I have not vaccinated any of my cats for the last 5 years and no one has had 
any problems.  Most do not go out, just one and he stays in my yard or on the 
deck.  I am in the woods so do not have contact with many cats and dogs.  Last 
vaccination, one cat had a reaction, lost the hair around the site and was very 
sick.

 Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote: 
> As of this past January (2015), they were giving FIV vaccinations in combo 
> with distemper, and a couple others, I think rabies, and is there a parvo one 
> or something? I will ask next time I am there. This is in Osseo, WI.
> 
> I would hope shelters would have this knowledge. Otherwise they are very 
> quick to euthanize. :(
> 
>  
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Kelley S
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 2:11 AM
> To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
> 
>  
> 
> I hope no one in still giving combo vaccinations for FIV.  My understanding 
> is that the FIV vaccine (but not the FELV vaccine) will cause a cat to test 
> FIV+ for lifetime.  In the sad occasion kitty should get out and taken to a 
> shelter, he will test FIV+ and that is not a good thing for a cat in a 
> shelter.
> 
>  
> 
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 12:51 AM, Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net 
> <mailto:ar...@centurytel.net> > wrote:
> 
> So happy that the older cats did not get it - somewhere I read that after 11 
> months of age their immune system can usually fend it off.
> 
> Another misconception that I had, when I took a stray cat in to be spayed and 
> vaccinated, was that the "combo" vaccination they use for distemper, rabies, 
> FIV and something else does not include a vaccination for FeLV. At that time, 
> I had no idea that FIV and FeLV were two different things. (Of course I 
> thought ONE distemper shot as  kitten was all you needed to give also.) But 
> my point is -- it would be nice to have it all explained to you, and maybe 
> some vet clinics do, but ours does not. Years ago I had an orange kitty named 
> Scotchy that died right after being given a rabies vaccination too. They said 
> it was rare.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
> <mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> ] On Behalf Of Lee
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 12:06 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
> 
> Not sure my emails are going through. However I have to tell everyone that 
> FeLv is not the horridly contagious disease that most vets would have us 
> believe. Three years ago to the month my little Honey Bunny passed away from 
> an active and virulent case of feline leukemia. Before we could try much of 
> anything her system shut down. My vet is not a specialist and his take on it 
> was that once leukemia is active nothing much can be done.
> 
> Bunny was s cat who had tested positive at first so I kept her isolated for a 
> month in a separate room. She was under a year old at the time of rescue and 
> first test. On retesting, she had turned negative. However, I isolated her 
> for another month just to be sure. Still negative so I moved her in with 
> Samson and Delilah who both share my bedroom. Exactly a year later when Bunny 
> was two years old, I noticed she was not scarfing down food as she had been 
> doing. She grew lethargic and disinterested in playing and being mischievous. 
> In a matter of three weeks she went from healthy to dead. The misery was that 
> both Samson and Delilah had been thoroughly exposed.
> 
> There is somewhat of a happy side of this sad story. It has been three years 
> since their exposure and I recently tested both cats. They are both negative. 
> My vet told me that most healthy, non stressed, well fed cats can survive an 
> exposure such as Sam and Dee had without catching the disease. The groups in 
> most danger are cats under a year old, stressed feral cats who have not been 
> fixed and elderly cats who are experiencing health issues.
> 
> On Oct 22, 2015 11:07 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com 
> <mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > You may be right Ardy, as to their motivation, but in my case, I was 
> > > allowed to spend close to $10,000 when all treatments were tallied up, 
> > > for worthless ineffective treatment, until I accidentally hit upon the 
> > > Winstrol, with a cost of something like 50 cents per pill. Of course they 
> > > were tel

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

[Kelley S]

I hope no one in still giving combo vaccinations for FIV.  My understanding
is that the FIV vaccine (but not the FELV vaccine) will cause a cat to test
FIV+ for lifetime.  In the sad occasion kitty should get out and taken to a
shelter, he will test FIV+ and that is not a good thing for a cat in a
shelter.

On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 12:51 AM, Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net>
wrote:

> So happy that the older cats did not get it - somewhere I read that after
> 11 months of age their immune system can usually fend it off.
>
> Another misconception that I had, when I took a stray cat in to be spayed
> and vaccinated, was that the "combo" vaccination they use for distemper,
> rabies, FIV and something else does not include a vaccination for FeLV. At
> that time, I had no idea that FIV and FeLV were two different things. (Of
> course I thought ONE distemper shot as  kitten was all you needed to give
> also.) But my point is -- it would be nice to have it all explained to you,
> and maybe some vet clinics do, but ours does not. Years ago I had an orange
> kitty named Scotchy that died right after being given a rabies vaccination
> too. They said it was rare.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> Lee
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 12:06 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
>
> Not sure my emails are going through. However I have to tell everyone that
> FeLv is not the horridly contagious disease that most vets would have us
> believe. Three years ago to the month my little Honey Bunny passed away
> from an active and virulent case of feline leukemia. Before we could try
> much of anything her system shut down. My vet is not a specialist and his
> take on it was that once leukemia is active nothing much can be done.
>
> Bunny was s cat who had tested positive at first so I kept her isolated
> for a month in a separate room. She was under a year old at the time of
> rescue and first test. On retesting, she had turned negative. However, I
> isolated her for another month just to be sure. Still negative so I moved
> her in with Samson and Delilah who both share my bedroom. Exactly a year
> later when Bunny was two years old, I noticed she was not scarfing down
> food as she had been doing. She grew lethargic and disinterested in playing
> and being mischievous. In a matter of three weeks she went from healthy to
> dead. The misery was that both Samson and Delilah had been thoroughly
> exposed.
>
> There is somewhat of a happy side of this sad story. It has been three
> years since their exposure and I recently tested both cats. They are both
> negative. My vet told me that most healthy, non stressed, well fed cats can
> survive an exposure such as Sam and Dee had without catching the disease.
> The groups in most danger are cats under a year old, stressed feral cats
> who have not been fixed and elderly cats who are experiencing health issues.
>
> On Oct 22, 2015 11:07 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > You may be right Ardy, as to their motivation, but in my case, I was
> allowed to spend close to $10,000 when all treatments were tallied up, for
> worthless ineffective treatment, until I accidentally hit upon the
> Winstrol, with a cost of something like 50 cents per pill. Of course they
> were telling me the whole time to let him go, and that I needed to consider
> his “quality of life” (ie – I was being selfish and immoral), and it was
> only my insistence that I intended to try every feasible option to save my
> cat...
>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
> Of Ardy Robertson
> > > Sent: October-22-15 10:50 PM
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you very much for this information Amani.
> > >
> > > Possibly another reason they don’t want to treat FeLV+ cats is that
> they somehow feel “getting rid” of them is helping to not spread the
> disease. My thought is that most spreading is probably done from mother cat
> to baby, and of course in those rare homes that have very large numbers of
> poorly-cared-for cats. They are not really trusting owners of FeLV+ cats to
> be responsible enough to not allow it to spread. I have also now read that
> cats that are over 11 months of age probably have enough of an immune
> system to not get the disease even if they are near positive cats. Although
> I would not take 

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

[Ardy Robertson]

As of this past January (2015), they were giving FIV vaccinations in combo with 
distemper, and a couple others, I think rabies, and is there a parvo one or 
something? I will ask next time I am there. This is in Osseo, WI.

I would hope shelters would have this knowledge. Otherwise they are very quick 
to euthanize. :(

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley 
S
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 2:11 AM
To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

 

I hope no one in still giving combo vaccinations for FIV.  My understanding is 
that the FIV vaccine (but not the FELV vaccine) will cause a cat to test FIV+ 
for lifetime.  In the sad occasion kitty should get out and taken to a shelter, 
he will test FIV+ and that is not a good thing for a cat in a shelter.

 

On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 12:51 AM, Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net 
<mailto:ar...@centurytel.net> > wrote:

So happy that the older cats did not get it - somewhere I read that after 11 
months of age their immune system can usually fend it off.

Another misconception that I had, when I took a stray cat in to be spayed and 
vaccinated, was that the "combo" vaccination they use for distemper, rabies, 
FIV and something else does not include a vaccination for FeLV. At that time, I 
had no idea that FIV and FeLV were two different things. (Of course I thought 
ONE distemper shot as  kitten was all you needed to give also.) But my point is 
-- it would be nice to have it all explained to you, and maybe some vet clinics 
do, but ours does not. Years ago I had an orange kitty named Scotchy that died 
right after being given a rabies vaccination too. They said it was rare.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> ] On Behalf Of Lee
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 12:06 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

Not sure my emails are going through. However I have to tell everyone that FeLv 
is not the horridly contagious disease that most vets would have us believe. 
Three years ago to the month my little Honey Bunny passed away from an active 
and virulent case of feline leukemia. Before we could try much of anything her 
system shut down. My vet is not a specialist and his take on it was that once 
leukemia is active nothing much can be done.

Bunny was s cat who had tested positive at first so I kept her isolated for a 
month in a separate room. She was under a year old at the time of rescue and 
first test. On retesting, she had turned negative. However, I isolated her for 
another month just to be sure. Still negative so I moved her in with Samson and 
Delilah who both share my bedroom. Exactly a year later when Bunny was two 
years old, I noticed she was not scarfing down food as she had been doing. She 
grew lethargic and disinterested in playing and being mischievous. In a matter 
of three weeks she went from healthy to dead. The misery was that both Samson 
and Delilah had been thoroughly exposed.

There is somewhat of a happy side of this sad story. It has been three years 
since their exposure and I recently tested both cats. They are both negative. 
My vet told me that most healthy, non stressed, well fed cats can survive an 
exposure such as Sam and Dee had without catching the disease. The groups in 
most danger are cats under a year old, stressed feral cats who have not been 
fixed and elderly cats who are experiencing health issues.

On Oct 22, 2015 11:07 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com 
<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > You may be right Ardy, as to their motivation, but in my case, I was 
> > allowed to spend close to $10,000 when all treatments were tallied up, for 
> > worthless ineffective treatment, until I accidentally hit upon the 
> > Winstrol, with a cost of something like 50 cents per pill. Of course they 
> > were telling me the whole time to let him go, and that I needed to consider 
> > his “quality of life” (ie – I was being selfish and immoral), and it was 
> > only my insistence that I intended to try every feasible option to save my 
> > cat...

> >
> >
> >
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
> > <mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> ] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson
> > Sent: October-22-15 10:50 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you very much for this information Amani.
> >
> > Possibly another reason they don’t want to treat FeLV+ cats is that they 

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

[Lee]

Not sure my emails are going through. However I have to tell everyone that FeLv 
is not the horridly contagious disease that most vets would have us believe. 
Three years ago to the month my little Honey Bunny passed away from an active 
and virulent case of feline leukemia. Before we could try much of anything her 
system shut down. My vet is not a specialist and his take on it was that once 
leukemia is active nothing much can be done. 

Bunny was s cat who had tested positive at first so I kept her isolated for a 
month in a separate room. She was under a year old at the time of rescue and 
first test. On retesting, she had turned negative. However, I isolated her for 
another month just to be sure. Still negative so I moved her in with Samson and 
Delilah who both share my bedroom. Exactly a year later when Bunny was two 
years old, I noticed she was not scarfing down food as she had been doing. She 
grew lethargic and disinterested in playing and being mischievous. In a matter 
of three weeks she went from healthy to dead. The misery was that both Samson 
and Delilah had been thoroughly exposed.

There is somewhat of a happy side of this sad story. It has been three years 
since their exposure and I recently tested both cats. They are both negative. 
My vet told me that most healthy, non stressed, well fed cats can survive an 
exposure such as Sam and Dee had without catching the disease. The groups in 
most danger are cats under a year old, stressed feral cats who have not been 
fixed and elderly cats who are experiencing health issues.

On Oct 22, 2015 11:07 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
>
> >
> >  
> >
> > You may be right Ardy, as to their motivation, but in my case, I was 
> > allowed to spend close to $10,000 when all treatments were tallied up, for 
> > worthless ineffective treatment, until I accidentally hit upon the 
> > Winstrol, with a cost of something like 50 cents per pill. Of course they 
> > were telling me the whole time to let him go, and that I needed to consider 
> > his “quality of life” (ie – I was being selfish and immoral), and it was 
> > only my insistence that I intended to try every feasible option to save my 
> > cat...

> >
> >  
> >
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> > Ardy Robertson
> > Sent: October-22-15 10:50 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
> >
> >  
> >
> > Thank you very much for this information Amani.
> >
> > Possibly another reason they don’t want to treat FeLV+ cats is that they 
> > somehow feel “getting rid” of them is helping to not spread the disease. My 
> > thought is that most spreading is probably done from mother cat to baby, 
> > and of course in those rare homes that have very large numbers of 
> > poorly-cared-for cats. They are not really trusting owners of FeLV+ cats to 
> > be responsible enough to not allow it to spread. I have also now read that 
> > cats that are over 11 months of age probably have enough of an immune 
> > system to not get the disease even if they are near positive cats. Although 
> > I would not take that chance and ever let them run outdoors or be around 
> > other cats.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ardy
> >
> >  
> >
> >  
> >
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> > Amani Oakley
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 11:03 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
> >
> >  
> >
> > Arty, again, this is an email I tried to post early this morning, but for 
> > some reason it didn’t go through to the Listserve, so I am reposting:
> >
> >  
> >
> >  
> >
> >  
> >
> > From: Amani Oakley 
> > Sent: October-21-15 11:51 AM
> > To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
> > Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
> >
> >  
> >
> > Arty, the Winstrol is an anabolic steroid so it really just works by 
> > bulking up the body, repairing damaged tissue, and also has a strong 
> > ability to treat serious anemia by working directly on the red blood cell 
> > producing cells in the bone marrow and erythropoietin production in the 
> > kidneys. Erythropoietin is the substance that the body produces that tells 
> > it to make more red cells.
> >
> >  
> >
> > It is NOT the same kind of steroid as prednisolone, etc., so it can be used 
> > with other types of steroids, with pain meds and with antibiotics, etc., 
> > without interfering with their activity.
> >
> >  
> >
> > My frustration comes from the fact that this drug was basically pulled 
> > because it is associated with doping scandals in professional athletes 
> > (they use it to become stronger and faster and to heal and recover from 
> > workouts faster), so it became a drug whose name you can’t mention and is 
> > tough to get sometimes. Also, there was a scientific study suggesting liver 
> > damage with its use, but the rest of the scientific literature just 

[Felvtalk] FW: FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

[Amani Oakley]

You may be right Ardy, as to their motivation, but in my case, I was allowed to 
spend close to $10,000 when all treatments were tallied up, for worthless 
ineffective treatment, until I accidentally hit upon the Winstrol, with a cost 
of something like 50 cents per pill. Of course they were telling me the whole 
time to let him go, and that I needed to consider his “quality of life” (ie – I 
was being selfish and immoral), and it was only my insistence that I intended 
to try every feasible option to save my cat, which compelled them to keep 
treating him. Therefore, while I agree with you that sometimes the intent is to 
(a) put down cats to prevent the spread and (b) save the owners a whole lot of 
money and grief, neither incentive explains what happened to us, and to Zander.

And frankly, my view now is that had I known about Winstrol at the start, and 
started treating him when he had his first crisis (from which he recovered, 
only to relapse big-time in a few months), I think he would have lived longer 
than the 7 short years I had him. He eventually died from dilated 
cardiomyopathy – a very serious case. It was very sudden and there was very 
little warning. One of the other Listserve members mentioned that her cat 
succumbed from something similar, and I now suspect that this was one of the 
hidden effects of the virus. I feel that had I been able to get the virus under 
control, without him having the very significant crisis from the viral attack 
three months after the first crisis, then it might have prevented some of the 
damage inflicted on his heart. It took months of care to bring Zander back to a 
strong state, and the whole time the virus would have been attacking his 
system. I am left to wonder if he had not been allowed to get so debilitated 
and close to death, and then had to struggle for months to recover, whether 
that took a toll on his system that might have been avoided.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy 
Robertson
Sent: October-22-15 10:50 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

Thank you very much for this information Amani.
Possibly another reason they don’t want to treat FeLV+ cats is that they 
somehow feel “getting rid” of them is helping to not spread the disease. My 
thought is that most spreading is probably done from mother cat to baby, and of 
course in those rare homes that have very large numbers of poorly-cared-for 
cats. They are not really trusting owners of FeLV+ cats to be responsible 
enough to not allow it to spread. I have also now read that cats that are over 
11 months of age probably have enough of an immune system to not get the 
disease even if they are near positive cats. Although I would not take that 
chance and ever let them run outdoors or be around other cats.
Thanks,
Ardy


From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 11:03 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

Arty, again, this is an email I tried to post early this morning, but for some 
reason it didn’t go through to the Listserve, so I am reposting:



From: Amani Oakley
Sent: October-21-15 11:51 AM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

Arty, the Winstrol is an anabolic steroid so it really just works by bulking up 
the body, repairing damaged tissue, and also has a strong ability to treat 
serious anemia by working directly on the red blood cell producing cells in the 
bone marrow and erythropoietin production in the kidneys. Erythropoietin is the 
substance that the body produces that tells it to make more red cells.

It is NOT the same kind of steroid as prednisolone, etc., so it can be used 
with other types of steroids, with pain meds and with antibiotics, etc., 
without interfering with their activity.

My frustration comes from the fact that this drug was basically pulled because 
it is associated with doping scandals in professional athletes (they use it to 
become stronger and faster and to heal and recover from workouts faster), so it 
became a drug whose name you can’t mention and is tough to get sometimes. Also, 
there was a scientific study suggesting liver damage with its use, but the rest 
of the scientific literature just doesn’t seem to have borne this out and it 
certainly isn’t my experience. So here we have this relatively inexpensive, 
fairly effective option, with little downside risk, and quick effects usually, 
and the vets would rather tell us there is no hope and to euthanize our cats, 
than suggest this medication.

I just don’t get it, and I have some very good friends who are high up in the 
echelons of the vet community, so believe me when I tell you that I have had 
this discussion on many occasions!

Amani

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

[Ardy Robertson]

So happy that the older cats did not get it - somewhere I read that after 11 
months of age their immune system can usually fend it off.

Another misconception that I had, when I took a stray cat in to be spayed and 
vaccinated, was that the "combo" vaccination they use for distemper, rabies, 
FIV and something else does not include a vaccination for FeLV. At that time, I 
had no idea that FIV and FeLV were two different things. (Of course I thought 
ONE distemper shot as  kitten was all you needed to give also.) But my point is 
-- it would be nice to have it all explained to you, and maybe some vet clinics 
do, but ours does not. Years ago I had an orange kitty named Scotchy that died 
right after being given a rabies vaccination too. They said it was rare.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 12:06 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

Not sure my emails are going through. However I have to tell everyone that FeLv 
is not the horridly contagious disease that most vets would have us believe. 
Three years ago to the month my little Honey Bunny passed away from an active 
and virulent case of feline leukemia. Before we could try much of anything her 
system shut down. My vet is not a specialist and his take on it was that once 
leukemia is active nothing much can be done. 

Bunny was s cat who had tested positive at first so I kept her isolated for a 
month in a separate room. She was under a year old at the time of rescue and 
first test. On retesting, she had turned negative. However, I isolated her for 
another month just to be sure. Still negative so I moved her in with Samson and 
Delilah who both share my bedroom. Exactly a year later when Bunny was two 
years old, I noticed she was not scarfing down food as she had been doing. She 
grew lethargic and disinterested in playing and being mischievous. In a matter 
of three weeks she went from healthy to dead. The misery was that both Samson 
and Delilah had been thoroughly exposed.

There is somewhat of a happy side of this sad story. It has been three years 
since their exposure and I recently tested both cats. They are both negative. 
My vet told me that most healthy, non stressed, well fed cats can survive an 
exposure such as Sam and Dee had without catching the disease. The groups in 
most danger are cats under a year old, stressed feral cats who have not been 
fixed and elderly cats who are experiencing health issues.

On Oct 22, 2015 11:07 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >  
> >
> > You may be right Ardy, as to their motivation, but in my case, I was 
> > allowed to spend close to $10,000 when all treatments were tallied up, for 
> > worthless ineffective treatment, until I accidentally hit upon the 
> > Winstrol, with a cost of something like 50 cents per pill. Of course they 
> > were telling me the whole time to let him go, and that I needed to consider 
> > his “quality of life” (ie – I was being selfish and immoral), and it was 
> > only my insistence that I intended to try every feasible option to save my 
> > cat...

> >
> >  
> >
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> > Ardy Robertson
> > Sent: October-22-15 10:50 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
> >
> >  
> >
> > Thank you very much for this information Amani.
> >
> > Possibly another reason they don’t want to treat FeLV+ cats is that they 
> > somehow feel “getting rid” of them is helping to not spread the disease. My 
> > thought is that most spreading is probably done from mother cat to baby, 
> > and of course in those rare homes that have very large numbers of 
> > poorly-cared-for cats. They are not really trusting owners of FeLV+ cats to 
> > be responsible enough to not allow it to spread. I have also now read that 
> > cats that are over 11 months of age probably have enough of an immune 
> > system to not get the disease even if they are near positive cats. Although 
> > I would not take that chance and ever let them run outdoors or be around 
> > other cats.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ardy
> >
> >  
> >
> >  
> >
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> > Amani Oakley
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 11:03 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
> >
> >  
> >
> > Arty, again, this is an email I tried to post early this morning, but for 
> > some reason it didn’t go t