Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine
Yep we are. I did not think to add the explanation of how the L Lysine works. Thanks Gloria Sally ed3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine
Ain't we great :) At 02:58 PM 8/3/2008, you wrote: >and someplace susan little writes about what happens if a cat doesn't get >enough arginine--it dies, if i recall the bottom line, and there was some >question about whether giving lysine interrupted the absorption of arginine >(but as cats die without the former, it was decided that clearly it >didn't.) > >thanks, gloria--i'll add this to my list of references, because altho i've >seen the arginine mentioned before, it was only that once, and i've never >seen this explanation before! > >see, together, we're a formidable resource! > >MC > >On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:23 PM, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Lysine counters the Arginine that Herpes needs to replicate - > > > > ...from veterinarypartner.com... > > > > Oral Lysine > > Herpes viruses as a group are highly dependent on the presence of an > > amino acid called arginine. Without arginine, Herpes cannot reproduce. > > The amino acid lysine is taken up by the virus in favor of arginine. > > We can take advantage of this situation by saturating the virus with > > lysine and thus suppressing the virus' ability to replicate. Lysine is > > readily available in most health food stores as a tablet or capsule. > > One should be sure that the formula used is free of the preservative > > propylene glycol as cats can have blood reactions against this > > compound. A month or so of supplementation is required in order to > > determine if supplementation has been helpful. > > > > Gloria > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 2, 2008, at 6:11 PM, Sally Davis wrote: > > > > > Hi Wendy > > > > > > Since the feline herpes virus is fairly common in cats then I > > > believe the > > > addition of L lysine would be of benefit to cats with FELV > > > especially if > > > they are exhibiting cold-like symptoms. Semantics aside as to > > > whether it > > > boost the immune system or has some other mode of action, giving a > > > cat that > > > does not have the herpes virus L lysine will not do it any harm. I > > > gave > > > Junior lysine due to symptoms that would have indicated he had the > > > herpes > > > virus as well as FELV. Anything to help him fight off the secondary > > > infections. I think you have a point about it's usefulness whether > > > you are > > > able to articulate as well as MC. I do not feel that this was meant > > > to be > > > inaccurate information. It certainly is not harmful information IMO. > > > > > > I also used Transfer Factor in Junior. It was not cheap and I am > > > uncertain > > > how much it helped. I was no longer able to afford the good stuff > > > and I > > > think his health slid a bit when I switched to a cheaper brand. If > > > you are > > > going to use Transfer factor be sure you get the 4Life formula. It has > > > changed formulation but is it the plus form. > > > > > > Mary Christine you are a wonderful source of information and so > > > passionate. > > > Everyone here has been so kind to me and helped me keep Junior going > > > far > > > longer than the vet would have given him. They advised euthanizing. > > > He lived > > > another year and a half. Most of it good, Some not so good. It got > > > real bad > > > very quick and the decision then was easy. I stay in the group in > > > case I can > > > help. I know I would certainly do things a bit different now. I hope > > > I am > > > not put to the test again. > > > > > > Sally > > > ___ > > > Felvtalk mailing list > > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > >-- >Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! >Maybe That'll Make The Difference > >MaryChristine >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine
Ain't we great :) At 02:58 PM 8/3/2008, you wrote: >and someplace susan little writes about what happens if a cat doesn't get >enough arginine--it dies, if i recall the bottom line, and there was some >question about whether giving lysine interrupted the absorption of arginine >(but as cats die without the former, it was decided that clearly it >didn't.) > >thanks, gloria--i'll add this to my list of references, because altho i've >seen the arginine mentioned before, it was only that once, and i've never >seen this explanation before! > >see, together, we're a formidable resource! > >MC > >On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:23 PM, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Lysine counters the Arginine that Herpes needs to replicate - > > > > ...from veterinarypartner.com... > > > > Oral Lysine > > Herpes viruses as a group are highly dependent on the presence of an > > amino acid called arginine. Without arginine, Herpes cannot reproduce. > > The amino acid lysine is taken up by the virus in favor of arginine. > > We can take advantage of this situation by saturating the virus with > > lysine and thus suppressing the virus' ability to replicate. Lysine is > > readily available in most health food stores as a tablet or capsule. > > One should be sure that the formula used is free of the preservative > > propylene glycol as cats can have blood reactions against this > > compound. A month or so of supplementation is required in order to > > determine if supplementation has been helpful. > > > > Gloria > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 2, 2008, at 6:11 PM, Sally Davis wrote: > > > > > Hi Wendy > > > > > > Since the feline herpes virus is fairly common in cats then I > > > believe the > > > addition of L lysine would be of benefit to cats with FELV > > > especially if > > > they are exhibiting cold-like symptoms. Semantics aside as to > > > whether it > > > boost the immune system or has some other mode of action, giving a > > > cat that > > > does not have the herpes virus L lysine will not do it any harm. I > > > gave > > > Junior lysine due to symptoms that would have indicated he had the > > > herpes > > > virus as well as FELV. Anything to help him fight off the secondary > > > infections. I think you have a point about it's usefulness whether > > > you are > > > able to articulate as well as MC. I do not feel that this was meant > > > to be > > > inaccurate information. It certainly is not harmful information IMO. > > > > > > I also used Transfer Factor in Junior. It was not cheap and I am > > > uncertain > > > how much it helped. I was no longer able to afford the good stuff > > > and I > > > think his health slid a bit when I switched to a cheaper brand. If > > > you are > > > going to use Transfer factor be sure you get the 4Life formula. It has > > > changed formulation but is it the plus form. > > > > > > Mary Christine you are a wonderful source of information and so > > > passionate. > > > Everyone here has been so kind to me and helped me keep Junior going > > > far > > > longer than the vet would have given him. They advised euthanizing. > > > He lived > > > another year and a half. Most of it good, Some not so good. It got > > > real bad > > > very quick and the decision then was easy. I stay in the group in > > > case I can > > > help. I know I would certainly do things a bit different now. I hope > > > I am > > > not put to the test again. > > > > > > Sally > > > ___ > > > Felvtalk mailing list > > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > >-- >Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! >Maybe That'll Make The Difference > >MaryChristine >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine
and someplace susan little writes about what happens if a cat doesn't get enough arginine--it dies, if i recall the bottom line, and there was some question about whether giving lysine interrupted the absorption of arginine (but as cats die without the former, it was decided that clearly it didn't.) thanks, gloria--i'll add this to my list of references, because altho i've seen the arginine mentioned before, it was only that once, and i've never seen this explanation before! see, together, we're a formidable resource! MC On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:23 PM, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lysine counters the Arginine that Herpes needs to replicate - > > ...from veterinarypartner.com... > >• Oral Lysine > Herpes viruses as a group are highly dependent on the presence of an > amino acid called arginine. Without arginine, Herpes cannot reproduce. > The amino acid lysine is taken up by the virus in favor of arginine. > We can take advantage of this situation by saturating the virus with > lysine and thus suppressing the virus' ability to replicate. Lysine is > readily available in most health food stores as a tablet or capsule. > One should be sure that the formula used is free of the preservative > propylene glycol as cats can have blood reactions against this > compound. A month or so of supplementation is required in order to > determine if supplementation has been helpful. > > Gloria > > > > > On Aug 2, 2008, at 6:11 PM, Sally Davis wrote: > > > Hi Wendy > > > > Since the feline herpes virus is fairly common in cats then I > > believe the > > addition of L lysine would be of benefit to cats with FELV > > especially if > > they are exhibiting cold-like symptoms. Semantics aside as to > > whether it > > boost the immune system or has some other mode of action, giving a > > cat that > > does not have the herpes virus L lysine will not do it any harm. I > > gave > > Junior lysine due to symptoms that would have indicated he had the > > herpes > > virus as well as FELV. Anything to help him fight off the secondary > > infections. I think you have a point about it's usefulness whether > > you are > > able to articulate as well as MC. I do not feel that this was meant > > to be > > inaccurate information. It certainly is not harmful information IMO. > > > > I also used Transfer Factor in Junior. It was not cheap and I am > > uncertain > > how much it helped. I was no longer able to afford the good stuff > > and I > > think his health slid a bit when I switched to a cheaper brand. If > > you are > > going to use Transfer factor be sure you get the 4Life formula. It has > > changed formulation but is it the plus form. > > > > Mary Christine you are a wonderful source of information and so > > passionate. > > Everyone here has been so kind to me and helped me keep Junior going > > far > > longer than the vet would have given him. They advised euthanizing. > > He lived > > another year and a half. Most of it good, Some not so good. It got > > real bad > > very quick and the decision then was easy. I stay in the group in > > case I can > > help. I know I would certainly do things a bit different now. I hope > > I am > > not put to the test again. > > > > Sally > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine
I have to say from my own personal experiences that you are correct, MC! _ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine
Lysine counters the Arginine that Herpes needs to replicate - ...from veterinarypartner.com... • Oral Lysine Herpes viruses as a group are highly dependent on the presence of an amino acid called arginine. Without arginine, Herpes cannot reproduce. The amino acid lysine is taken up by the virus in favor of arginine. We can take advantage of this situation by saturating the virus with lysine and thus suppressing the virus' ability to replicate. Lysine is readily available in most health food stores as a tablet or capsule. One should be sure that the formula used is free of the preservative propylene glycol as cats can have blood reactions against this compound. A month or so of supplementation is required in order to determine if supplementation has been helpful. Gloria On Aug 2, 2008, at 6:11 PM, Sally Davis wrote: > Hi Wendy > > Since the feline herpes virus is fairly common in cats then I > believe the > addition of L lysine would be of benefit to cats with FELV > especially if > they are exhibiting cold-like symptoms. Semantics aside as to > whether it > boost the immune system or has some other mode of action, giving a > cat that > does not have the herpes virus L lysine will not do it any harm. I > gave > Junior lysine due to symptoms that would have indicated he had the > herpes > virus as well as FELV. Anything to help him fight off the secondary > infections. I think you have a point about it's usefulness whether > you are > able to articulate as well as MC. I do not feel that this was meant > to be > inaccurate information. It certainly is not harmful information IMO. > > I also used Transfer Factor in Junior. It was not cheap and I am > uncertain > how much it helped. I was no longer able to afford the good stuff > and I > think his health slid a bit when I switched to a cheaper brand. If > you are > going to use Transfer factor be sure you get the 4Life formula. It has > changed formulation but is it the plus form. > > Mary Christine you are a wonderful source of information and so > passionate. > Everyone here has been so kind to me and helped me keep Junior going > far > longer than the vet would have given him. They advised euthanizing. > He lived > another year and a half. Most of it good, Some not so good. It got > real bad > very quick and the decision then was easy. I stay in the group in > case I can > help. I know I would certainly do things a bit different now. I hope > I am > not put to the test again. > > Sally > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine
lysine won't hurt; some vets say ALL cats should be on it, but i don't think it's fair for people who are desperately seeking help for their immune-compromised babies to think that something will do something that it cannot. as i said, i think it's pretty darned miraculous enough as it is! and when we talk to the vets who don't want to believe us in the first place, saying things that are NOT accurate just gives them more reason to ignore us or minimize us. like the 70% figure that was anecdotal in sanctuaries and amongst mutli-FeLV homes for so long--it's NOW right there in the Merck, and they can't ignore THAT--before it made it to the Merck tho, it was just we crackpots if we want them to take us seriously, we have to know MORE than they do--which, as in the old joke about women needing to work twice as hard, isn't that difficult. we can NEVER underestimate how little knowledge many, many vets seem to have about FeLV, FIV and FIP. i could apologize for getting so passionate about this, but i won't, because it's just SO important that SOMEONE have accurate, current information--and it seems that it's up to us to be those someones. MC On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Sally Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Wendy > > Since the feline herpes virus is fairly common in cats then I believe the > addition of L lysine would be of benefit to cats with FELV especially if > they are exhibiting cold-like symptoms. Semantics aside as to whether it > boost the immune system or has some other mode of action, giving a cat that > does not have the herpes virus L lysine will not do it any harm. I gave > Junior lysine due to symptoms that would have indicated he had the herpes > virus as well as FELV. Anything to help him fight off the secondary > infections. I think you have a point about it's usefulness whether you are > able to articulate as well as MC. I do not feel that this was meant to be > inaccurate information. It certainly is not harmful information IMO. > > I also used Transfer Factor in Junior. It was not cheap and I am uncertain > how much it helped. I was no longer able to afford the good stuff and I > think his health slid a bit when I switched to a cheaper brand. If you are > going to use Transfer factor be sure you get the 4Life formula. It has > changed formulation but is it the plus form. > > Mary Christine you are a wonderful source of information and so passionate. > Everyone here has been so kind to me and helped me keep Junior going far > longer than the vet would have given him. They advised euthanizing. He > lived > another year and a half. Most of it good, Some not so good. It got real > bad > very quick and the decision then was easy. I stay in the group in case I > can > help. I know I would certainly do things a bit different now. I hope I am > not put to the test again. > > Sally > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine
Colostrum is wonderful as far as I am concerned for any stressed animal. The two feral kittens I have been adopted by are getting it daily. They had a hard beginning. I want them to have everything I can think of to help them overcome it. They are also getting probiotics, grain free food etc. They have not been tested for FeLV or FIV yet. And I have not had them vaccinated for anything. They are inside so, as far as I am concerned, I can give them some extra time to gain weight and just be. I have been told that colostrum can be used if Transfer Factor is out of the question. I have used it on cats. Please remember I believe in a combination of traditional and alternative vets. The first place Dixie Louise went after we took execution off the table was to Dr. Betty Boswell. Betty saw her regularly until the day she died. Dixie was extremely healthy until very shortly (like days) before she left this world and her exit was fairly easy and quick. On Aug 2, 2008, at 6:11 PM, Sally Davis wrote: > Hi Wendy > > Since the feline herpes virus is fairly common in cats then I > believe the > addition of L lysine would be of benefit to cats with FELV > especially if > they are exhibiting cold-like symptoms. Semantics aside as to > whether it > boost the immune system or has some other mode of action, giving a > cat that > does not have the herpes virus L lysine will not do it any harm. I > gave > Junior lysine due to symptoms that would have indicated he had the > herpes > virus as well as FELV. Anything to help him fight off the secondary > infections. I think you have a point about it's usefulness whether > you are > able to articulate as well as MC. I do not feel that this was meant > to be > inaccurate information. It certainly is not harmful information IMO. > > I also used Transfer Factor in Junior. It was not cheap and I am > uncertain > how much it helped. I was no longer able to afford the good stuff > and I > think his health slid a bit when I switched to a cheaper brand. If > you are > going to use Transfer factor be sure you get the 4Life formula. It has > changed formulation but is it the plus form. > > Mary Christine you are a wonderful source of information and so > passionate. > Everyone here has been so kind to me and helped me keep Junior going > far > longer than the vet would have given him. They advised euthanizing. > He lived > another year and a half. Most of it good, Some not so good. It got > real bad > very quick and the decision then was easy. I stay in the group in > case I can > help. I know I would certainly do things a bit different now. I hope > I am > not put to the test again. > > Sally > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine
Hi Wendy Since the feline herpes virus is fairly common in cats then I believe the addition of L lysine would be of benefit to cats with FELV especially if they are exhibiting cold-like symptoms. Semantics aside as to whether it boost the immune system or has some other mode of action, giving a cat that does not have the herpes virus L lysine will not do it any harm. I gave Junior lysine due to symptoms that would have indicated he had the herpes virus as well as FELV. Anything to help him fight off the secondary infections. I think you have a point about it's usefulness whether you are able to articulate as well as MC. I do not feel that this was meant to be inaccurate information. It certainly is not harmful information IMO. I also used Transfer Factor in Junior. It was not cheap and I am uncertain how much it helped. I was no longer able to afford the good stuff and I think his health slid a bit when I switched to a cheaper brand. If you are going to use Transfer factor be sure you get the 4Life formula. It has changed formulation but is it the plus form. Mary Christine you are a wonderful source of information and so passionate. Everyone here has been so kind to me and helped me keep Junior going far longer than the vet would have given him. They advised euthanizing. He lived another year and a half. Most of it good, Some not so good. It got real bad very quick and the decision then was easy. I stay in the group in case I can help. I know I would certainly do things a bit different now. I hope I am not put to the test again. Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine
And again, I defend my stance. Lysine deficiencies can result in lowered immune function. Period. Even if it only helps combat the herpes virus (as opposed to FeLV), it is STILL AN IMMUNE SYSTEM BOOSTER! And keeping the immune system boosted is of utmost importance in keeping the FeLV virus from kicking in. That is why we say a great diet and a stress-free environment are the two most important things in keeping FeLV+ kitties healthy, because those things help the immune system stay strong. The quote you sent says specificially that even though it helps control the herpes virus, they believe lysine has no effect on the immune system and no effect on other pathogens AS FAR AS THEY KNOW. Which means they don't know for sure it does not. Lysine is an essential amino acid that the human body needs (not sure about the feline body, but I'm betting yes), yet cannot make it on it's own. It must come from food/external sources. Lysine helps to form and maintain muscle, bone, and other tissues. Often, the FeLV virus manifests itself in the bone marrow, which we all know is when the disease causes fatal problems, such as lymphoma and anemia. While I am no doctor or scientist, given this knowledge, it's still common sense to me that an amino acid that aids in maintaining bone and tissue would be beneficial to fighting FeLV when you consider the implications on the bone marrow. I don't think there are enough/any studies done to say that lysine does not directly combat the FeLV virus/virus replication. If there are, could you kindly post those studies MC? And a moratorium on the sarcasm would also be appreciated by me especially. Respectfully, Wendy "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 2, 2008 5:08:45 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements here's the direct quote from susan little, dvm, head of the Winn Feline Foundation (www.winnfelinehealth.org), "Lysine is only helpful for control of herpesvirus infections. Otherwise, it has no effect on the immune system and no effect against other pathogens as far as we know. It is herpesvirus- specific. And if you give arginine at the same time, you cancel out the effect of the lysine, so it would be totally pointless." ([EMAIL PROTECTED], message #92072, forgive me dr susan!) this was one of the many times she has repeated this; i've got the same thing repeated by a major cat rescuer/transporter in another place in my files, and if you go back in the archives you'll see that i and other have repeated this over and over again: LYSINE ONLY AFFECTS THE HERPES VIRUS. it's a marvelous thing, it trick the virus into not replicating, it's probably the only thing that i know that MDs and DOs and DDS and DVMs and practitioners of every other purrsuasion and specialty agree upon. we do no one any good when we repeat information without questioning it and finding out the details and veracity. please. MC On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 4:33 PM, gary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There are lots of things people use but Lysine is used by many people with FeLV and FIV cats as an immune support. I use this on my cats. Moducare, although, I haven't figured out how to give it to my cats yet. Your supposed to give it on an empty stomach because it binds with cholesterol and I really don't want to put my FeLV+ through the stress of pilling them everyday. I suppose you could give it with food that didn't have cholesterol, but most of those foods are vegetables and my guys aren't interested. I tried egg whites and they didn't go for that either. If anyone knows how to get Moducare into the cats without pilling and without cholesterol, please let me know. Transfer Factor. I don't have any experience with this one so I won't comment on it. Lactoferrin, I know people using this on their FIV+ cats. And I am sure there are many others. Gary - Original Message - From: Jennifer To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 3:07 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Supplements What supplements can be given to a FeLV+ cat to keep them healthy? Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN & LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER. Be their voice. ~ loving mama to ~ Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000) Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007) Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3318 (20080801) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.co
Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine
And again, I defend my stance. Lysine deficiencies can result in lowered immune function. Period. Even if it only helps combat the herpes virus (as opposed to FeLV), it is STILL AN IMMUNE SYSTEM BOOSTER! And keeping the immune system boosted is of utmost importance in keeping the FeLV virus from kicking in. That is why we say a great diet and a stress-free environment are the two most important things in keeping FeLV+ kitties healthy, because those things help the immune system stay strong. The quote you sent says specificially that even though it helps control the herpes virus, they believe lysine has no effect on the immune system and no effect on other pathogens AS FAR AS THEY KNOW. Which means they don't know for sure it does not. Lysine is an essential amino acid that the human body needs (not sure about the feline body, but I'm betting yes), yet cannot make it on it's own. It must come from food/external sources. Lysine helps to form and maintain muscle, bone, and other tissues. Often, the FeLV virus manifests itself in the bone marrow, which we all know is when the disease causes fatal problems, such as lymphoma and anemia. While I am no doctor or scientist, given this knowledge, it's still common sense to me that an amino acid that aids in maintaining bone and tissue would be beneficial to fighting FeLV when you consider the implications on the bone marrow. I don't think there are enough/any studies done to say that lysine does not directly combat the FeLV virus/virus replication. If there are, could you kindly post those studies MC? And a moratorium on the sarcasm would also be appreciated by me especially. Respectfully, Wendy "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 2, 2008 5:08:45 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements here's the direct quote from susan little, dvm, head of the Winn Feline Foundation (www.winnfelinehealth.org), "Lysine is only helpful for control of herpesvirus infections. Otherwise, it has no effect on the immune system and no effect against other pathogens as far as we know. It is herpesvirus- specific. And if you give arginine at the same time, you cancel out the effect of the lysine, so it would be totally pointless." ([EMAIL PROTECTED], message #92072, forgive me dr susan!) this was one of the many times she has repeated this; i've got the same thing repeated by a major cat rescuer/transporter in another place in my files, and if you go back in the archives you'll see that i and other have repeated this over and over again: LYSINE ONLY AFFECTS THE HERPES VIRUS. it's a marvelous thing, it trick the virus into not replicating, it's probably the only thing that i know that MDs and DOs and DDS and DVMs and practitioners of every other purrsuasion and specialty agree upon. we do no one any good when we repeat information without questioning it and finding out the details and veracity. please. MC ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
