Re: [Felvtalk] TNR
Did anyone else get an email from this group that says the emails are bouncing? I am afraid to click on it in case it is a malicious link . James I am still here. Sally Davis The real problem is feeders who do not TNR. That's how these feral/hard stray colonies get out of control. Managing these colonies means responsible s/n, feeding and medical treatment when needed. JMHO Sharyl *From:* GRAS g...@optonline.net *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Tuesday, March 6, 2012 11:17 PM *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links I know many people who do TNR and have dedicated volunteers taking care of them, even trapping for vet visits. Personally, I don’t like some of the ways that TNR cats are provided or NOT provided for. Some groups spay cats and release them almost immediately, even in freezing weather (when it is a known fact that healing is seriously hindered) , and such consequences as infections, and even disembowelment due to ruptures. Yes, one should expect cats at such a ranch to be provided with medical care! I can’t even imagine how many people are required to seriously care for 700 cats! Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org . Fix the momma and you stop the spread of the disease in a feral colony. I also do TNR and manage 2 feral colonies. The adult males and females are released back after recovery from their surgeries. Males 1 day and females 3-4 days as long as they are doing OK. The kittens I tame and try to adopt out. The only way to combat PETA is to responsibly manage these feral/hard stray colonies. My oldest feral is a 7+ year old male who is only happy outside in his colony. We can't take all these feral/hard strays in but we can give them a healthy, stress free life in their colonies once they have been spayed/neutered. At least that way the population is controlled. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] TNR
I also received that email and did not know what it meant. I know my last posting was very short and posted. I was thinking that maybe a filter was causing some of the emails I should have received to bounce as I often read a chain with emails that I didn't see. On Mar 12, 2012, at 9:07 AM, Sally Davis wrote: Did anyone else get an email from this group that says the emails are bouncing? I am afraid to click on it in case it is a malicious link . James I am still here. Sally Davis The real problem is feeders who do not TNR. That's how these feral/hard stray colonies get out of control. Managing these colonies means responsible s/n, feeding and medical treatment when needed. JMHO Sharyl From: GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 11:17 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links I know many people who do TNR and have dedicated volunteers taking care of them, even trapping for vet visits. Personally, I don’t like some of the ways that TNR cats are provided or NOT provided for. Some groups spay cats and release them almost immediately, even in freezing weather (when it is a known fact that healing is seriously hindered) , and such consequences as infections, and even disembowelment due to ruptures. Yes, one should expect cats at such a ranch to be provided with medical care! I can’t even imagine how many people are required to seriously care for 700 cats! Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org . Fix the momma and you stop the spread of the disease in a feral colony. I also do TNR and manage 2 feral colonies. The adult males and females are released back after recovery from their surgeries. Males 1 day and females 3-4 days as long as they are doing OK. The kittens I tame and try to adopt out. The only way to combat PETA is to responsibly manage these feral/hard stray colonies. My oldest feral is a 7+ year old male who is only happy outside in his colony. We can't take all these feral/hard strays in but we can give them a healthy, stress free life in their colonies once they have been spayed/neutered. At least that way the population is controlled. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] TNR
Yes, I got the same message...I clicked on the link to 're-enable' and I guess it worked...not malicious that I know of. On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com wrote: Did anyone else get an email from this group that says the emails are bouncing? I am afraid to click on it in case it is a malicious link . James I am still here. Sally Davis The real problem is feeders who do not TNR. That's how these feral/hard stray colonies get out of control. Managing these colonies means responsible s/n, feeding and medical treatment when needed. JMHO Sharyl *From:* GRAS g...@optonline.net *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Tuesday, March 6, 2012 11:17 PM *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links I know many people who do TNR and have dedicated volunteers taking care of them, even trapping for vet visits. Personally, I don’t like some of the ways that TNR cats are provided or NOT provided for. Some groups spay cats and release them almost immediately, even in freezing weather (when it is a known fact that healing is seriously hindered) , and such consequences as infections, and even disembowelment due to ruptures. Yes, one should expect cats at such a ranch to be provided with medical care! I can’t even imagine how many people are required to seriously care for 700 cats! Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org . Fix the momma and you stop the spread of the disease in a feral colony. I also do TNR and manage 2 feral colonies. The adult males and females are released back after recovery from their surgeries. Males 1 day and females 3-4 days as long as they are doing OK. The kittens I tame and try to adopt out. The only way to combat PETA is to responsibly manage these feral/hard stray colonies. My oldest feral is a 7+ year old male who is only happy outside in his colony. We can't take all these feral/hard strays in but we can give them a healthy, stress free life in their colonies once they have been spayed/neutered. At least that way the population is controlled. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] TNR
I also received an email. I'm fairly new to the group and haven't posted as of yet. I didn't understand why they said the emails to me were bouncing because I have been receiving all of your posts on a regular basis. Anyone have a clue? Prairie Rose On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com wrote: I also received that email and did not know what it meant. I know my last posting was very short and posted. I was thinking that maybe a filter was causing some of the emails I should have received to bounce as I often read a chain with emails that I didn't see. On Mar 12, 2012, at 9:07 AM, Sally Davis wrote: Did anyone else get an email from this group that says the emails are bouncing? I am afraid to click on it in case it is a malicious link . James I am still here. Sally Davis The real problem is feeders who do not TNR. That's how these feral/hard stray colonies get out of control. Managing these colonies means responsible s/n, feeding and medical treatment when needed. JMHO Sharyl *From:* GRAS g...@optonline.net *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Tuesday, March 6, 2012 11:17 PM *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links I know many people who do TNR and have dedicated volunteers taking care of them, even trapping for vet visits. Personally, I don’t like some of the ways that TNR cats are provided or NOT provided for. Some groups spay cats and release them almost immediately, even in freezing weather (when it is a known fact that healing is seriously hindered) , and such consequences as infections, and even disembowelment due to ruptures. Yes, one should expect cats at such a ranch to be provided with medical care! I can’t even imagine how many people are required to seriously care for 700 cats! Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org . Fix the momma and you stop the spread of the disease in a feral colony. I also do TNR and manage 2 feral colonies. The adult males and females are released back after recovery from their surgeries. Males 1 day and females 3-4 days as long as they are doing OK. The kittens I tame and try to adopt out. The only way to combat PETA is to responsibly manage these feral/hard stray colonies. My oldest feral is a 7+ year old male who is only happy outside in his colony. We can't take all these feral/hard strays in but we can give them a healthy, stress free life in their colonies once they have been spayed/neutered. At least that way the population is controlled. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- becauseofbentley.blogspot.com because of bentley facebook pagehttps://www.facebook.com/pages/Because-of-Bentley/165275756856104 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] TNR
I thought it could be b/c my Inbox is always full but if most everybody has receive it doesn't sound like it..some programs are set to send those notices every so often, not sure exactly why, but I've had those before from different lists I'm at M http://homelessnomore.webs.com From: P Rose becauseofbent...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR I also received an email. I'm fairly new to the group and haven't posted as of yet. I didn't understand why they said the emails to me were bouncing because I have been receiving all of your posts on a regular basis. Anyone have a clue? Prairie Rose On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com wrote: I also received that email and did not know what it meant. I know my last posting was very short and posted. I was thinking that maybe a filter was causing some of the emails I should have received to bounce as I often read a chain with emails that I didn't see. On Mar 12, 2012, at 9:07 AM, Sally Davis wrote: Did anyone else get an email from this group that says the emails are bouncing? I am afraid to click on it in case it is a malicious link . James I am still here. Sally Davis The real problem is feeders who do not TNR. That's how these feral/hard stray colonies get out of control. Managing these colonies means responsible s/n, feeding and medical treatment when needed. JMHO Sharyl From: GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 11:17 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links I know many people who do TNR and have dedicated volunteers taking care of them, even trapping for vet visits. Personally, I don’t like some of the ways that TNR cats are provided or NOT provided for. Some groups spay cats and release them almost immediately, even in freezing weather (when it is a known fact that healing is seriously hindered) , and such consequences as infections, and even disembowelment due to ruptures. Yes, one should expect cats at such a ranch to be provided with medical care! I can’t even imagine how many people are required to seriously care for 700 cats! Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org . Fix the momma and you stop the spread of the disease in a feral colony. I also do TNR and manage 2 feral colonies. The adult males and females are released back after recovery from their surgeries. Males 1 day and females 3-4 days as long as they are doing OK. The kittens I tame and try to adopt out. The only way to combat PETA is to responsibly manage these feral/hard stray colonies. My oldest feral is a 7+ year old male who is only happy outside in his colony. We can't take all these feral/hard strays in but we can give them a healthy, stress free life in their colonies once they have been spayed/neutered. At least that way the population is controlled. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- becauseofbentley.blogspot.com because of bentley facebook page ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] TNR
Are you talking about ones that are over-size for this group? Just erase some older comments at the bottom, and re-send. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Melinda Kerr Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 8:14 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR I also received that email and did not know what it meant. I know my last posting was very short and posted. I was thinking that maybe a filter was causing some of the emails I should have received to bounce as I often read a chain with emails that I didn't see. On Mar 12, 2012, at 9:07 AM, Sally Davis wrote: Did anyone else get an email from this group that says the emails are bouncing? I am afraid to click on it in case it is a malicious link . James I am still here. Sally Davis The real problem is feeders who do not TNR. That's how these feral/hard stray colonies get out of control. Managing these colonies means responsible s/n, feeding and medical treatment when needed. JMHO Sharyl From: GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 11:17 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links I know many people who do TNR and have dedicated volunteers taking care of them, even trapping for vet visits. Personally, I don't like some of the ways that TNR cats are provided or NOT provided for. Some groups spay cats and release them almost immediately, even in freezing weather (when it is a known fact that healing is seriously hindered) , and such consequences as infections, and even disembowelment due to ruptures. Yes, one should expect cats at such a ranch to be provided with medical care! I can't even imagine how many people are required to seriously care for 700 cats! Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org . Fix the momma and you stop the spread of the disease in a feral colony. I also do TNR and manage 2 feral colonies. The adult males and females are released back after recovery from their surgeries. Males 1 day and females 3-4 days as long as they are doing OK. The kittens I tame and try to adopt out. The only way to combat PETA is to responsibly manage these feral/hard stray colonies. My oldest feral is a 7+ year old male who is only happy outside in his colony. We can't take all these feral/hard strays in but we can give them a healthy, stress free life in their colonies once they have been spayed/neutered. At least that way the population is controlled. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] TNR
Messages too long. What I don't understand is that until recently, the accepted size was 20KB, now slightly longer ones are allowed to come through - this one was 30KB (I will erase some things from the bottom before II send this). Does anyone know what the limit is right now? From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of P Rose Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 10:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR I also received an email. I'm fairly new to the group and haven't posted as of yet. I didn't understand why they said the emails to me were bouncing because I have been receiving all of your posts on a regular basis. Anyone have a clue? Prairie Rose On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com wrote: I also received that email and did not know what it meant. I know my last posting was very short and posted. I was thinking that maybe a filter was causing some of the emails I should have received to bounce as I often read a chain with emails that I didn't see. On Mar 12, 2012, at 9:07 AM, Sally Davis wrote: Did anyone else get an email from this group that says the emails are bouncing? I am afraid to click on it in case it is a malicious link . James I am still here. Sally Davis The real problem is feeders who do not TNR. That's how these feral/hard stray colonies get out of control. Managing these colonies means responsible s/n, feeding and medical treatment when needed. JMHO Sharyl From: GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 11:17 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links I know many people who do TNR and have dedicated volunteers taking care of them, even trapping for vet visits. Personally, I don't like some of the ways that TNR cats are provided or NOT provided for. Some groups spay cats and release them almost immediately, even in freezing weather (when it is a known fact that healing is seriously hindered) , and such consequences as infections, and even disembowelment due to ruptures. Yes, one should expect cats at such a ranch to be provided with medical care! I can't even imagine how many people are required to seriously care for 700 cats! Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] TNR
What is the maximum size this group handles right now? It used to be 20KB, now I just saw a 30KB that came through. This is very confusing. I have even tried sending something longer in sections, and it didn't work. Would you please change my e-mail address back to the original one: at...@optonline.net or in addition to the one I am using right now. Thank you, Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of James G Wilson Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 11:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR Hey all, We've been having problems lately of certain email hosts bouncing mail back to the server. Even my address was bounced. It seems to be happening every couple of weeks lately. Don't worry though. I go in and manually reset all of the group's addresses back to regular mail. Sorry for the inconvenience. But, as long as spammers are allowed to flood the networks, we'll have to deal with this. Please feel free to let me know if there are any other issues. Best wishes to all. James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Research Support) http://www.facebook.com/crambone http://weather62025.com (Weather for Edwardsville, IL) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] TNR
The maximum length of messages is set to 20Kb. So, I am not sure how a 30Kb one got through. I've added your other email address back. Let me know if there's anything else I can do. Kind regards. James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Research Support) http://www.facebook.com/crambone http://weather62025.com (Weather for Edwardsville, IL) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] TNR
I have several FelV cats, and they have lived long healthy lives. I do not think an asymtomatic FelV cat should be automatically euthanized. There are sanctuaries that take FelV cats, or they should be isolated from other cats, but not killed. Lorrie On 03-08, Beth wrote: I agree, FeLV should be put down or homed. I have returned FIV cats Unfortunately, Alley Cat Allies thinks they all should be returned not even tested. The place I have gotten ferals fixed believes this refuses to test ferals. Crazy. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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We're talking about feral colonies. That's not possible in with large colonies. If it was a cat in my neighborhood, I would just take it in, feral or not which I have done. Large sanctuaries do not have resources to manage large numbers of FeLV cats, especially not feral FeLV cats. It may be sad, but it is the best choice with ferals. I could not bear the thought of a feral cat dying slowly alone from FeLV. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, March 9, 2012 6:52 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR I have several FelV cats, and they have lived long healthy lives. I do not think an asymtomatic FelV cat should be automatically euthanized. There are sanctuaries that take FelV cats, or they should be isolated from other cats, but not killed. Lorrie On 03-08, Beth wrote: I agree, FeLV should be put down or homed. I have returned FIV cats Unfortunately, Alley Cat Allies thinks they all should be returned not even tested. The place I have gotten ferals fixed believes this refuses to test ferals. Crazy. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] TNR
If you fix a positive mom put her back in a colony you are spreading FeLV. It does not just spread by her having babies, It will spread by her sharing water with the other cats. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 3:36 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links I know others have also responded Natalie about TNR. TNR is one of the best ways of fighting the spread of FeLV. In my experience a positive momma will have positive kittens. Fix the momma and you stop the spread of the disease in a feral colony. I also do TNR and manage 2 feral colonies. The adult males and females are released back after recovery from their surgeries. Males 1 day and females 3-4 days as long as they are doing OK. The kittens I tame and try to adopt out. The only way to combat PETA is to responsibly manage these feral/hard stray colonies. My oldest feral is a 7+ year old male who is only happy outside in his colony. We can't take all these feral/hard strays in but we can give them a healthy, stress free life in their colonies once they have been spayed/neutered. At least that way the population is controlled. The real problem is feeders who do not TNR. That's how these feral/hard stray colonies get out of control. Managing these colonies means responsible s/n, feeding and medical treatment when needed. JMHO Sharyl From: GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 11:17 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links I know many people who do TNR and have dedicated volunteers taking care of them, even trapping for vet visits. Personally, I don’t like some of the ways that TNR cats are provided or NOT provided for. Some groups spay cats and release them almost immediately, even in freezing weather (when it is a known fact that healing is seriously hindered) , and such consequences as infections, and even disembowelment due to ruptures. Yes, one should expect cats at such a ranch to be provided with medical care! I can’t even imagine how many people are required to seriously care for 700 cats! Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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FeLV cats should not be returned to colonies, boys or girls. FeLV is too easily contracted. Besides we don't make them any favors by releasing them in the wild. IMO a FELV+ feral should be either euthanized or sanctuaried away from others. Now a FIV+ is a different story, as long as the cat is healthy I return neutered fivers, besides the snap for FIV gives false results. Many will differ with my opinion but I've seen just one cat infect 27 others in a household while I've mixed FIV+ for years w/o problems. Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR If you fix a positive mom put her back in a colony you are spreading FeLV. It does not just spread by her having babies, It will spread by her sharing water with the other cats. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 3:36 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links I know others have also responded Natalie about TNR. TNR is one of the best ways of fighting the spread of FeLV. In my experience a positive momma will have positive kittens. Fix the momma and you stop the spread of the disease in a feral colony. I also do TNR and manage 2 feral colonies. The adult males and females are released back after recovery from their surgeries. Males 1 day and females 3-4 days as long as they are doing OK. The kittens I tame and try to adopt out. The only way to combat PETA is to responsibly manage these feral/hard stray colonies. My oldest feral is a 7+ year old male who is only happy outside in his colony. We can't take all these feral/hard strays in but we can give them a healthy, stress free life in their colonies once they have been spayed/neutered. At least that way the population is controlled. The real problem is feeders who do not TNR. That's how these feral/hard stray colonies get out of control. Managing these colonies means responsible s/n, feeding and medical treatment when needed. JMHO Sharyl From: GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 11:17 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links I know many people who do TNR and have dedicated volunteers taking care of them, even trapping for vet visits. Personally, I don’t like some of the ways that TNR cats are provided or NOT provided for. Some groups spay cats and release them almost immediately, even in freezing weather (when it is a known fact that healing is seriously hindered) , and such consequences as infections, and even disembowelment due to ruptures. Yes, one should expect cats at such a ranch to be provided with medical care! I can’t even imagine how many people are required to seriously care for 700 cats! Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I agree, FeLV should be put down or homed. I have returned FIV cats Unfortunately, Alley Cat Allies thinks they all should be returned not even tested. The place I have gotten ferals fixed believes this refuses to test ferals. Crazy. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Marta Gasper marta.gas...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR FeLV cats should not be returned to colonies, boys or girls. FeLV is too easily contracted. Besides we don't make them any favors by releasing them in the wild. IMO a FELV+ feral should be either euthanized or sanctuaried away from others. Now a FIV+ is a different story, as long as the cat is healthy I return neutered fivers, besides the snap for FIV gives false results. Many will differ with my opinion but I've seen just one cat infect 27 others in a household while I've mixed FIV+ for years w/o problems. Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR If you fix a positive mom put her back in a colony you are spreading FeLV. It does not just spread by her having babies, It will spread by her sharing water with the other cats. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 3:36 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links I know others have also responded Natalie about TNR. TNR is one of the best ways of fighting the spread of FeLV. In my experience a positive momma will have positive kittens. Fix the momma and you stop the spread of the disease in a feral colony. I also do TNR and manage 2 feral colonies. The adult males and females are released back after recovery from their surgeries. Males 1 day and females 3-4 days as long as they are doing OK. The kittens I tame and try to adopt out. The only way to combat PETA is to responsibly manage these feral/hard stray colonies. My oldest feral is a 7+ year old male who is only happy outside in his colony. We can't take all these feral/hard strays in but we can give them a healthy, stress free life in their colonies once they have been spayed/neutered. At least that way the population is controlled. The real problem is feeders who do not TNR. That's how these feral/hard stray colonies get out of control. Managing these colonies means responsible s/n, feeding and medical treatment when needed. JMHO Sharyl From: GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 11:17 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links I know many people who do TNR and have dedicated volunteers taking care of them, even trapping for vet visits. Personally, I don’t like some of the ways that TNR cats are provided or NOT provided for. Some groups spay cats and release them almost immediately, even in freezing weather (when it is a known fact that healing is seriously hindered) , and such consequences as infections, and even disembowelment due to ruptures. Yes, one should expect cats at such a ranch to be provided with medical care! I can’t even imagine how many people are required to seriously care for 700 cats! Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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TNR is a good way to guard against the spread of FIV since the way most cats spread this disease is through deep bites while fighting during mating season. FIV is not easily spread through contact with other cats. A mom cat who is FIV+ may pass it to her offspring but they may also throw it off within 3 months and test negative after that. In addition, I have a small group of FIV cats who have been living with it for the past 6 years and are healthy and happy. My FeLv cats on the other hand, may remain non-symptomatic for as long as 2 years but eventually, they do succumb to either the disease or other complications due to the underlying disease, mostly lymphoma. So don't mix FeLv+ cats with regular cats. But mixing neutered/spayed FIV+ cats with your regular feline community will not ordinarily endanger anyone unless one of the cats in the group is a habitual nasty fighter. Most of my cats have a couple of FIV+ cats mixed in but no one is a serious fighter so they are all safe. Lee From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR If you fix a positive mom put her back in a colony you are spreading FeLV. It does not just spread by her having babies, It will spread by her sharing water with the other cats. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 3:36 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links I know others have also responded Natalie about TNR. TNR is one of the best ways of fighting the spread of FeLV. In my experience a positive momma will have positive kittens. Fix the momma and you stop the spread of the disease in a feral colony. I also do TNR and manage 2 feral colonies. The adult males and females are released back after recovery from their surgeries. Males 1 day and females 3-4 days as long as they are doing OK. The kittens I tame and try to adopt out. The only way to combat PETA is to responsibly manage these feral/hard stray colonies. My oldest feral is a 7+ year old male who is only happy outside in his colony. We can't take all these feral/hard strays in but we can give them a healthy, stress free life in their colonies once they have been spayed/neutered. At least that way the population is controlled. The real problem is feeders who do not TNR. That's how these feral/hard stray colonies get out of control. Managing these colonies means responsible s/n, feeding and medical treatment when needed. JMHO Sharyl From: GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 11:17 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links I know many people who do TNR and have dedicated volunteers taking care of them, even trapping for vet visits. Personally, I don’t like some of the ways that TNR cats are provided or NOT provided for. Some groups spay cats and release them almost immediately, even in freezing weather (when it is a known fact that healing is seriously hindered) , and such consequences as infections, and even disembowelment due to ruptures. Yes, one should expect cats at such a ranch to be provided with medical care! I can’t even imagine how many people are required to seriously care for 700 cats! Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] TNR
Yes, I do return FIV cats, but nor FeLV cats, but,like I said, Alley Cat Allies is against testing any ferals would return FeLV cats. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR TNR is a good way to guard against the spread of FIV since the way most cats spread this disease is through deep bites while fighting during mating season. FIV is not easily spread through contact with other cats. A mom cat who is FIV+ may pass it to her offspring but they may also throw it off within 3 months and test negative after that. In addition, I have a small group of FIV cats who have been living with it for the past 6 years and are healthy and happy. My FeLv cats on the other hand, may remain non-symptomatic for as long as 2 years but eventually, they do succumb to either the disease or other complications due to the underlying disease, mostly lymphoma. So don't mix FeLv+ cats with regular cats. But mixing neutered/spayed FIV+ cats with your regular feline community will not ordinarily endanger anyone unless one of the cats in the group is a habitual nasty fighter. Most of my cats have a couple of FIV+ cats mixed in but no one is a serious fighter so they are all safe. Lee From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR If you fix a positive mom put her back in a colony you are spreading FeLV. It does not just spread by her having babies, It will spread by her sharing water with the other cats. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 3:36 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links I know others have also responded Natalie about TNR. TNR is one of the best ways of fighting the spread of FeLV. In my experience a positive momma will have positive kittens. Fix the momma and you stop the spread of the disease in a feral colony. I also do TNR and manage 2 feral colonies. The adult males and females are released back after recovery from their surgeries. Males 1 day and females 3-4 days as long as they are doing OK. The kittens I tame and try to adopt out. The only way to combat PETA is to responsibly manage these feral/hard stray colonies. My oldest feral is a 7+ year old male who is only happy outside in his colony. We can't take all these feral/hard strays in but we can give them a healthy, stress free life in their colonies once they have been spayed/neutered. At least that way the population is controlled. The real problem is feeders who do not TNR. That's how these feral/hard stray colonies get out of control. Managing these colonies means responsible s/n, feeding and medical treatment when needed. JMHO Sharyl From: GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 11:17 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links I know many people who do TNR and have dedicated volunteers taking care of them, even trapping for vet visits. Personally, I don’t like some of the ways that TNR cats are provided or NOT provided for. Some groups spay cats and release them almost immediately, even in freezing weather (when it is a known fact that healing is seriously hindered) , and such consequences as infections, and even disembowelment due to ruptures. Yes, one should expect cats at such a ranch to be provided with medical care! I can’t even imagine how many people are required to seriously care for 700 cats! Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] TNR Feral Colonies
as one of my feral friends puts it, we don't kill healthy cats. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] TNR Feral Colonies
Not sure how all TNR individuals or groups handle the situation of FIV and/or FeLV+ colony members. I'm on the Feral Cat group. Most TNR is done by individuals or small groups. TNR = Trap, Neuter, Release Since the plan is to release the cat back to its original colony/location, very few folks test for FIV or FeLV. To be frank they can't afford the test and the results would not change the outcome. Usually only kittens being placed for adoption are tested. Unfortunately, if they test positive, adoption is out and many of these kittens are PTS if a forever home can not be found. They have become too socialized to release outside again. Again this info is based on what I read on the Feral Cat board. My personal experience has been to keep 6 of the FeLV+ I rescued and release 2. The 6 were small kittens. The 2 were year old cats. To be honest I stopped testing. I couldn't afford to test every cat I was TNRing. And I had reached my limit on the no. of cats I could bring inside. No way could I ever PTS a cat simply because they tested positive. The score so far is I still have 2 of the 6. They are just over 2 yrs old. 1 of the 2 I released is still going strong. Mae passed away this summer. Sharyl --- On Wed, 9/30/09, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: rchestert...@verizon.net Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 2:04 PM i'm also unclear about how his statements work for TNR: the article mentions how many groups no longer test; but it sounds as if a colony shows up with a FeLV member, and FIV members, that the FIVs won't be returned to the colony? or will the FeLVs--the low percentage in well-managed colonies, as noted--be taken out and killed? MC ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I do TNR also...and I have to agree with Sharyl...this money is coming out of my own pockets...I cannot afford to spay/neuter/vaccinate...but I do. These cats will be returned to their colony as long as their health is good...I wish I could afford every test and every preventative vaccine, but I am doing the best I can with what I earn. I haven't had any kittens to worry about in the past two years, so I feel fortunate. Debbie (COL) Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle Philo Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:57:28 -0700 From: cline...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR Feral Colonies Not sure how all TNR individuals or groups handle the situation of FIV and/or FeLV+ colony members. I'm on the Feral Cat group. Most TNR is done by individuals or small groups. TNR = Trap, Neuter, Release Since the plan is to release the cat back to its original colony/location, very few folks test for FIV or FeLV. To be frank they can't afford the test and the results would not change the outcome. _ Drag n’ drop—Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live™ Photos. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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We also do not test feral cats being returned to colonies. We only test cats who are being fostered for adoption. Just can't afford to test everyone and, if a feral cat comes back positive, it can raise some unnecessary issues. --- On Wed, 9/30/09, Debbie Harrison dlh1...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Debbie Harrison dlh1...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR Feral Colonies To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 1:30 PM I do TNR also...and I have to agree with Sharyl...this money is coming out of my own pockets...I cannot afford to spay/neuter/vaccinate...but I do. These cats will be returned to their colony as long as their health is good...I wish I could afford every test and every preventative vaccine, but I am doing the best I can with what I earn. I haven't had any kittens to worry about in the past two years, so I feel fortunate. Debbie (COL) Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle Philo Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:57:28 -0700 From: cline...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR Feral Colonies Not sure how all TNR individuals or groups handle the situation of FIV and/or FeLV+ colony members. I'm on the Feral Cat group. Most TNR is done by individuals or small groups. TNR = Trap, Neuter, Release Since the plan is to release the cat back to its original colony/location, very few folks test for FIV or FeLV. To be frank they can't afford the test and the results would not change the outcome. _ Drag n’ drop—Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live™ Photos. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
