Re: [Felvtalk] testing cats
Interesting. I don't really believe that 72% are false positives. I think the percentages of that are much lower. I think most of the problems wtih the ELISA come from improper handling of the kit. However, I like most of everything else they said in the article. The ELISA doesn't give you the final results. According to articles I've read and my vet friend, the ELISA test looks for small fragments of the virus in the blood/saliva/tears or whatever. It doesn't look for antibodies, it looks for small fragments of the virus. At this point you don't know whether the virus has replicated and spread or whether it's progressed into the white blood cells. At this point they could get rid of the virus like most cats do. The cat may not even be contagious at this point. The ELISA is a screening test only. It's just to let you know whether you need to look into this any further. I do have a very healthy kitten right now that I just took in that tested positive on her ELISA. I just mentioned it yesterday so sorry to repeat. I had a second ELISA test done that is sent to the lab for a well test. It's just like the snap test in the office in that it looks for small fragments of the virus but it's performed a different way. That test showed a positive also. So if you're in rescue I definitely think you should test because the disease is out there but it's not as common as some think. My vet friend also said that most healthy adult cats can extinguish the virus so I agree with that part of the article. I read that somewhere else in an online article by another vet. Thanks for the article though. I'd like to read more of the stuff from this group. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:27:08 -0800 From: dppl1...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] testing cats As I continue to try to learn as much as possible about this illness and testing the kitten I found, I came across this post on the Best Friends site questioning the testing process. I was wondering if anyone had any comments on its contents?Thanks http://network.bestfriends.org/groups/smitten_by_kittens/pages/feline-leukemia-testing-why-are-you-wasting-your-money.aspx ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] testing cats
I don't have enough authority/knowlegde to say I disagree with the last statement cats over the age of 16 wks are virtually inmune to FeLV..I'd say I wished, because I have seen cats older than 3 yrs to get infected. Whether it was the cat was sick and wasn't obvious even to an ELISA(wich I had been told it can give false FIV results but is accurate on FeLV) I don't know. Being on the rescue adopt out position, I've to get my adoptables tested and vaccinated. It'd be wonderful if everybody would know the facts Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Fri, 11/18/11, dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com wrote: From: dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] testing cats To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, November 18, 2011, 6:27 PM As I continue to try to learn as much as possible about this illness and testing the kitten I found, I came across this post on the Best Friends site questioning the testing process. I was wondering if anyone had any comments on its contents?Thanks http://network.bestfriends.org/groups/smitten_by_kittens/pages/feline-leukemia-testing-why-are-you-wasting-your-money.aspx -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] testing cats
This is another case where you need to dig deeper and not believe the cover story. Google the org. mentioned. Here is the link to the Feline Practioners Vaccine Guidelines. http://www.catvets.com/uploads/PDF/2006_Vaccination_Guidelines_JAVMA.pdf They actually recommend giving all kittens the FeLV vaccine after 1st testing them. Sorry you stumbled across such mis-informtaion Sharyl From: Marta Gasper marta.gas...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] testing cats I don't have enough authority/knowlegde to say I disagree with the last statement cats over the age of 16 wks are virtually inmune to FeLV..I'd say I wished, because I have seen cats older than 3 yrs to get infected. Whether it was the cat was sick and wasn't obvious even to an ELISA(wich I had been told it can give false FIV results but is accurate on FeLV) I don't know. Being on the rescue adopt out position, I've to get my adoptables tested and vaccinated. It'd be wonderful if everybody would know the facts Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Fri, 11/18/11, dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com wrote: From: dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] testing cats To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, November 18, 2011, 6:27 PM As I continue to try to learn as much as possible about this illness and testing the kitten I found, I came across this post on the Best Friends site questioning the testing process. I was wondering if anyone had any comments on its contents?Thanks http://network.bestfriends.org/groups/smitten_by_kittens/pages/feline-leukemia-testing-why-are-you-wasting-your-money.aspx -Inline Attachment Follows- ___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] testing cats
to Sheryl: I can't figure out how to reply to your msg but in that doc you linked to, is this the most current protocol? If I understand correctly, it says that you don't vaccinate until you get test results. well, my vet thinking the cat was healthy, went ahead and vaccinated, even after I asked if we should wait for the results. so how does this affect this cat including future testing? I read somewhere that the vaccination can result in the cat testing positive but i can't sort out what is current and what is not. I can't believe a vet would be so careless to recommend testing and then go ahead and vaccinate before getting the test results if it affected future test results or the health of the cat . I really appreicate anyone who can add to this discussion, either based on info you found , your vets info or your actual experience. I am not feeling too comfortable now about having this kitten already vaccinated before the positive results were known. From: dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 1:27 PM Subject: testing cats As I continue to try to learn as much as possible about this illness and testing the kitten I found, I came across this post on the Best Friends site questioning the testing process. I was wondering if anyone had any comments on its contents?Thanks http://network.bestfriends.org/groups/smitten_by_kittens/pages/feline-leukemia-testing-why-are-you-wasting-your-money.aspx___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] testing cats
I disagree that cats that are over 16 weeks are virtually immune to the disease from my personal experience. I also know that it is the vaccination for FIV that will always show a positive result on a test, but the FeLV vaccination does not. - Original Message - From: dppl dppl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 12:27 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] testing cats As I continue to try to learn as much as possible about this illness and testing the kitten I found, I came across this post on the Best Friends site questioning the testing process. I was wondering if anyone had any comments on its contents?Thanks http://network.bestfriends.org/groups/smitten_by_kittens/pages/feline-leukemia-testing-why-are-you-wasting-your-money.aspx -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] testing cats
As has already been posted, the FeLV vaccine does not affect future test results. If a cat received the FIV vaccine it will test positive for FIV on all future FIV tests. Getting the FeLV vaccine won't hurt your cat other than the slight risk associated with cancer at the vaccine site. No idea why your vet went ahead with the vaccination before getting the test results. The in house test only takes 10 minutes. Sharyl From: dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] testing cats to Sheryl: I can't figure out how to reply to your msg but in that doc you linked to, is this the most current protocol? If I understand correctly, it says that you don't vaccinate until you get test results. well, my vet thinking the cat was healthy, went ahead and vaccinated, even after I asked if we should wait for the results. so how does this affect this cat including future testing? I read somewhere that the vaccination can result in the cat testing positive but i can't sort out what is current and what is not. I can't believe a vet would be so careless to recommend testing and then go ahead and vaccinate before getting the test results if it affected future test results or the health of the cat . I really appreicate anyone who can add to this discussion, either based on info you found , your vets info or your actual experience. I am not feeling too comfortable now about having this kitten already vaccinated before the positive results were known. From: dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 1:27 PM Subject: testing cats As I continue to try to learn as much as possible about this illness and testing the kitten I found, I came across this post on the Best Friends site questioning the testing process. I was wondering if anyone had any comments on its contents?Thanks http://network.bestfriends.org/groups/smitten_by_kittens/pages/feline-leukemia-testing-why-are-you-wasting-your-money.aspx ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] testing cats
Kittens can sometimes have a false FIV + result. The FIV portion of the combo test looks for FIV antibodies so if the kitten has antibodies from the mother still in it's system then the kitten can show positive for FIV. But waiting a little and testing later the kitten will usually show negative because the Mom's antibodies will no longer be present. Other than that I haven't heard of too many false positives for FIV. I'm sure there are and I just haven't looked into it. If those test kits aren't handled properly they can show false positives for FeLV so I would think they could for FIV too. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:34:30 -0800 From: marta.gas...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] testing cats I don't have enough authority/knowlegde to say I disagree with the last statement cats over the age of 16 wks are virtually inmune to FeLV..I'd say I wished, because I have seen cats older than 3 yrs to get infected. Whether it was the cat was sick and wasn't obvious even to an ELISA(wich I had been told it can give false FIV results but is accurate on FeLV) I don't know. Being on the rescue adopt out position, I've to get my adoptables tested and vaccinated. It'd be wonderful if everybody would know the facts Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Fri, 11/18/11, dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com wrote: From: dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] testing cats To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, November 18, 2011, 6:27 PM As I continue to try to learn as much as possible about this illness and testing the kitten I found, I came across this post on the Best Friends site questioning the testing process. I was wondering if anyone had any comments on its contents?Thanks http://network.bestfriends.org/groups/smitten_by_kittens/pages/feline-leukemia-testing-why-are-you-wasting-your-money.aspx -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
