Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction - new here (LONG)
I really don't know squat about pancreas - but with the mention of Slippery - I syringe Slippery Elm liquid to kitties with other types of digestive problems. Supposed to be nutritious as well as soothing. Like I say, don't know much about it for pancreas problems. Gloria On Dec 14, 2008, at 8:31 AM, souther...@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/14/2008 12:49:47 AM Central Standard Time, > drosenfe...@wi.rr.com writes: > >> In your case, if the >> pancreatitis is still going, the trick is to feed something that >> won't >> irritate the pancreas. Slippery slope, but doable. >> > > Do you have any suggestions as to what that might be? > > Sidney and the General > > > ** > Make your life easier with all your > friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0010 > > ) > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction - new here (LONG)
Hi Sidney, Welcome, I am sorry General is feeling so poorly, pancreatitis is a booger to deal with, Bailey had this and it eventually turned into cancer and I lost him to it. He was FeLV+ at 5 months of age and passed at 11 years old. We didn't realize he had pancreatitis because he his blood work was fairly normal but we did suspect cancer somewhere and couldn't find it. He had diarrhea and was not eating anything for 65, almost 6 months straight before I lost him and found the pancreatic cancer upon his death. Hills prescription diet makes a food that is low in fat which is what you want for a cat that has pancreatitis. It is called ID, your vet should be able to get it for you. I had to eventually get a feeding tube put into Bailey to get enough food in to him because syringe feeding just wasn't working for us. Many cats do fine with syringe feeding, no cat likes it to start but many will adjust and even come to accept it. Bailey was not one if those, we tried it for a good month and he hated it the whole time, that is why I finally decided on a feeding tube. Unfortunately with the cancer hiding in his body and my vet not being able to find it (believe me we tried, we did every test imaginable, but nothing ever showed us where or what kind of cancer), even enough food eventually wasn't enough to make him well. It is extremely important to get General to eat, cats can get something called hepatic lipidosis which is basically fatty liver disease, this will kill them in short order is not treated, the treatment is food, enough of it. An average sized adult cat needs 200 or more calories a day minimum, that's about a 6 oz can. So even if you have to offer food every 15 minutes or put some in your finger and open General's mouth and put it in, do it. I do this with Fred my CRF guy (kidney failure) if he won't eat when I give him his meds. Always give food or water with pills, if they don't go all the way down a cats very long esophagus, they can dissolve in there and cause some bad damage, some cats won't eat if their esophagus is irritated from pills dissolving in there. The main thing is make sure general is getting enough food, have your vet show you how to syringe feed him if you need to. Here are some info and video's on how to do it: *Click Here* Most important thing to remember is go slow and always go in the side of the mouth, you never want to shoot food or liquids straight back down a cats throat. This cat has obviously gotten used to the routine and adapted very well: *http://www.rindarealm.com/PDF/howtoforce.pdf* Here is an article by a vet on the benefits of a feeding tube if it becomes a necessity. I have had 3 cats with feeding tubes they did retty well, Buddie, my first tube kitty loved her tube feedings and actually looked forward to her feedings. *http://www.catinfo.org/feedingtubes.htm *Here is an article by the same vet about giving cats pills and why you don't want to do it without making sure they get it down all the way: *http://www.catinfo.org/pillingcats.htm *I hope General starts eating better on his own soon, just take things slow, stay calm and General will follow your lead. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction - new here (LONG)
In a message dated 12/14/2008 12:49:47 AM Central Standard Time, drosenfe...@wi.rr.com writes: > In your case, if the > pancreatitis is still going, the trick is to feed something that won't > irritate the pancreas. Slippery slope, but doable. > Do you have any suggestions as to what that might be? Sidney and the General ** Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0010) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction - new here (LONG)
In a message dated 12/14/2008 12:19:08 AM Central Standard Time, maima...@duo-county.com writes: > Love him with all your and do not fear the future. > Everyone who loves and is loved has a broken heart eventually and, > just as eventually, breaks another's heart. Learn from him. He's already taught me a lot. For one thing, I now consider myself to be a cat and dog person! I would NEVER have said that 2 years ago. And I think it was Queen Elizabeth II who said "Grief is the price we pay for love" Thanks, Sidney and the General ** Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0010) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction - new here (LONG)
Welcome to the group Sidney. Pancreatitis ca be a painful illness for cats but is treatable. There is a new yahoo pancreatitis group that has some great treatment info. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline_pancreatitis_support/ Has your vet Rx anything for pain? Please do not give the General Metacam. There are other effective pain meds for cats. Eating is even more important for a sick kitty. There is a wonderful Yahoo feeding group that has info on assist feeding. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ Sounds like the General has found a wonderful place to 'room'. Sharyl --- On Sat, 12/13/08, souther...@aol.com wrote: From: souther...@aol.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Introduction - new here (LONG) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 10:12 PM I just found this list after doing a little on line reading. I joined this list to learn more about the issues surrounding caring for a Feline Leukemia positive cat. Here's our story: I have never owned a cat or even been around a cat in my life and I'm almost 52. Two years ago this coming spring I was in my yard working in my flowers and this poor scrawny cat came and climbed up in my lap. I kept moving him and he came moving back in my lap. He just kept hanging around so I gave him milk (remember I know NOTHING about cats). The next day he was sitting on my front porch so I brought him some dog food out (that's all I had as I have always had dogs) He ate it as fast as I'd give it to him. The next day he was still there so I bought him catfood. I started feeding him every day outside. He stayed. After about 3 weeks I figured if he was going to stay I better get him to a vet and get him neutered. I took him to my dog's vet who tested him for Feline Leukemia and I don't know what else and said he's positive for Feline Leukemia, you might as well have him put to sleep as he's gonna die anyway. Well, I'd become attached to him so I said, no not gonna do that. Go ahead and neuter him and give him whatever vaccinations he needs and we'll go from there. I found a local vet that specializes in cats and took him there. I moved him inside and there's he's been ever since. He's a huge boy now, a sweet loving lap cat and I love him with all my heart :-) He's had some problems, a kidney infection, eye infections, and now he's having some issues with what they think is pancreatitis. He's had bouts of vomiting, and loss of appetite. It comes back after a day or so and he's fine for several days but then it seems to come back. I'm now waiting on the results of some test that may be able to determine if it is truly pancreatitis. All his other blood levels are normal. No temp. Today his heart rate was up but other than that he was normal other than he acted like his tummy hurt and he wouldn't eat and didn't want to be handled (both things are very unlike him as he'd sit in my lap for hours usually if I'll let him) So here we are and we're hoping to learn. Oh, his name is General Sterling Price, named for a cat in a John Wayne movie, True Grit (Mattie Ross: You don't have any family, do you?Except Chen Lee and that lazy cat. Cogburn: General Price don't belong to me.Cats don't belong to nobody! He just rooms with me.Course I depend on him...) Sidney and General Sterling Price ** Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0010) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction - new here (LONG)
I wonder if Lysine would help with the eye infection? I've used the supplement with some ferals and, at one point, with Dixie. There are some nuances though. You need to get them from others on the list. It has to do with the quality of the supplement. Until you hear from someone wiser, wait. > > > I just found this list after doing a little on line reading. I > joined this > list to learn more about the issues surrounding caring for a Feline > Leukemia > positive cat. Here's our story: > > I have never owned a cat or even been around a cat in my life and > I'm almost > 52. Two years ago this coming spring I was in my yard working in my > flowers > and this poor scrawny cat came and climbed up in my lap. I kept > moving him > and he came moving back in my lap. He just kept hanging around so I > gave > him milk (remember I know NOTHING about cats). The next day he was > sitting > on my front porch so I brought him some dog food out (that's all I > had as I > have always had dogs) He ate it as fast as I'd give it to him. The > next > day he was still there so I bought him catfood. I started feeding > him every > day outside. He stayed. After about 3 weeks I figured if he was > going to > stay I better get him to a vet and get him neutered. I took him to > my dog's > vet who tested him for Feline Leukemia and I don't know what else > and said > he's positive for Feline Leukemia, you might as well have him put to > sleep > as he's gonna die anyway. > Well, I'd become attached to him so I said, no not gonna do that. > Go ahead > and neuter him and give him whatever vaccinations he needs and we'll > go from > there. I found a local vet that specializes in cats and took him > there. I > moved him inside and there's he's been ever since. He's a huge boy > now, a > sweet loving lap cat and I love him with all my heart :-) > > He's had some problems, a kidney infection, eye infections, and now > he's > having some issues with what they think is pancreatitis. He's had > bouts of > vomiting, and loss of appetite. It comes back after a day or so and > he's > fine for several days but then it seems to come back. I'm now > waiting on > the results of some test that may be able to determine if it is truly > pancreatitis. All his other blood levels are normal. No temp. > Today his > heart rate was up but other than that he was normal other than he > acted like > his tummy hurt and he wouldn't eat and didn't want to be handled (both > things are very unlike him as he'd sit in my lap for hours usually > if I'll > let him) > > So here we are and we're hoping to learn. Oh, his name is General > Sterling > Price, named for a cat in a John Wayne movie, True Grit (Mattie > Ross: You > don't > have any family, do you?Except Chen Lee and that lazy cat. Cogburn: > General Price don't belong to me.Cats don't belong to nobody! He > just rooms > with me.Course I depend on him...) > > Sidney and General Sterling Price > > > ** > Make your life easier with all > your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaol > com0010) > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > Marylyn, Copper & Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction - new here (LONG)
Sidney -- Welcome! General Sterling Price is so lucky to have found you. Sounds like he knew exactly what he was doing when he crawled into your lap in your garden!! Just make sure he eats something every day, by whatever means necessary. We got our Luc through fatty liver disease caused by his not eating (the suspected cause was pancreatitis, but it may have resolved itself by the time we noticed that he was acting sick. In your case, if the pancreatitis is still going, the trick is to feed something that won't irritate the pancreas. Slippery slope, but doable. Good luck to you both!! I hope the General feels better very soon! Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of souther...@aol.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 9:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Introduction - new here (LONG) I just found this list after doing a little on line reading. I joined this list to learn more about the issues surrounding caring for a Feline Leukemia positive cat. Here's our story: I have never owned a cat or even been around a cat in my life and I'm almost 52. Two years ago this coming spring I was in my yard working in my flowers and this poor scrawny cat came and climbed up in my lap. I kept moving him and he came moving back in my lap. He just kept hanging around so I gave him milk (remember I know NOTHING about cats). The next day he was sitting on my front porch so I brought him some dog food out (that's all I had as I have always had dogs) He ate it as fast as I'd give it to him. The next day he was still there so I bought him catfood. I started feeding him every day outside. He stayed. After about 3 weeks I figured if he was going to stay I better get him to a vet and get him neutered. I took him to my dog's vet who tested him for Feline Leukemia and I don't know what else and said he's positive for Feline Leukemia, you might as well have him put to sleep as he's gonna die anyway. Well, I'd become attached to him so I said, no not gonna do that. Go ahead and neuter him and give him whatever vaccinations he needs and we'll go from there. I found a local vet that specializes in cats and took him there. I moved him inside and there's he's been ever since. He's a huge boy now, a sweet loving lap cat and I love him with all my heart :-) He's had some problems, a kidney infection, eye infections, and now he's having some issues with what they think is pancreatitis. He's had bouts of vomiting, and loss of appetite. It comes back after a day or so and he's fine for several days but then it seems to come back. I'm now waiting on the results of some test that may be able to determine if it is truly pancreatitis. All his other blood levels are normal. No temp. Today his heart rate was up but other than that he was normal other than he acted like his tummy hurt and he wouldn't eat and didn't want to be handled (both things are very unlike him as he'd sit in my lap for hours usually if I'll let him) So here we are and we're hoping to learn. Oh, his name is General Sterling Price, named for a cat in a John Wayne movie, True Grit (Mattie Ross: You don't have any family, do you?Except Chen Lee and that lazy cat. Cogburn: General Price don't belong to me.Cats don't belong to nobody! He just rooms with me.Course I depend on him...) Sidney and General Sterling Price ** Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaol com0010) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Oh my. A story I know well. With both Felv+ and Felv- cats. You have been hooked by an angel. My first and only Felv+ was Dixie. She was probably 3 or so years old. After I decided to find a way to keep her (She apparently had lost her home and was hanging out with the ferals behind my mother's home. She was supposed to be spayed then become my farm cat) I took her to a holistic vet my regular vets had referred me to with other animals. Dr. Betty Boswell worked with the vets at Middletown Animal Hospital and between them and the love Dixie got as well as gave, she had three wonderful years and HAD EVERYTHING! I urge any one with a critter who has problems to seek holistic services as well as regular vets. My world is great in that both groups I use respect each other. Fed the highest quality food you can. Mix in ground/chopped veggies high vitamin C (Dixie loved baby carrots, broccoli and spinach). Start her on Colostrum or Transfer Factor. Love him with all your and do not fear the future. Everyone who loves and is loved has a broken heart eventually and, just as eventually, breaks another's heart. Learn from him. He came to you for a reason. And hang with this group. You found it the way I did and it is wonderful. The information is great and, although it is sometimes conflicting, you need to read it all to find out what is right for you and your wonderful friend. And give him EVERYTHING!!! On Dec 13, 2008, at 9:12 PM, souther...@aol.com wrote: > I just found this list after doing a little on line reading. I > joined this > list to learn more about the issues surrounding caring for a Feline > Leukemia > positive cat. Here's our story: > > I have never owned a cat or even been around a cat in my life and > I'm almost > 52. Two years ago this coming spring I was in my yard working in my > flowers > and this poor scrawny cat came and climbed up in my lap. I kept > moving him and > he came moving back in my lap. He just kept hanging around so I > gave him > milk (remember I know NOTHING about cats). The next day he was > sitting on my > front porch so I brought him some dog food out (that's all I had as > I have always > had dogs) He ate it as fast as I'd give it to him. The next day he > was > still there so I bought him catfood. I started feeding him every > day outside. He > stayed. After about 3 weeks I figured if he was going to stay I > better get > him to a vet and get him neutered. I took him to my dog's vet who > tested him > for Feline Leukemia and I don't know what else and said he's > positive for > Feline Leukemia, you might as well have him put to sleep as he's > gonna die anyway. > Well, I'd become attached to him so I said, no not gonna do that. > Go ahead > and neuter him and give him whatever vaccinations he needs and we'll > go from > there. I found a local vet that specializes in cats and took him > there. I > moved him inside and there's he's been ever since. He's a huge boy > now, a sweet > loving lap cat and I love him with all my heart :-) > > He's had some problems, a kidney infection, eye infections, and now > he's > having some issues with what they think is pancreatitis. He's had > bouts of > vomiting, and loss of appetite. It comes back after a day or so and > he's fine for > several days but then it seems to come back. I'm now waiting on the > results of > some test that may be able to determine if it is truly > pancreatitis. All his > other blood levels are normal. No temp. Today his heart rate was > up but > other than that he was normal other than he acted like his tummy > hurt and he > wouldn't eat and didn't want to be handled (both things are very > unlike him as > he'd sit in my lap for hours usually if I'll let him) > > So here we are and we're hoping to learn. Oh, his name is General > Sterling > Price, named for a cat in a John Wayne movie, True Grit (Mattie > Ross: You don't > have any family, do you?Except Chen Lee and that lazy cat. Cogburn: > General Price don't belong to me.Cats don't belong to nobody! He > just rooms with > me.Course I depend on him...) > > Sidney and General Sterling Price > > > ** > Make your life easier with all > your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0010 > > ) > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > Marylyn, Copper & Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Introduction - new here (LONG)
I just found this list after doing a little on line reading. I joined this list to learn more about the issues surrounding caring for a Feline Leukemia positive cat. Here's our story: I have never owned a cat or even been around a cat in my life and I'm almost 52. Two years ago this coming spring I was in my yard working in my flowers and this poor scrawny cat came and climbed up in my lap. I kept moving him and he came moving back in my lap. He just kept hanging around so I gave him milk (remember I know NOTHING about cats). The next day he was sitting on my front porch so I brought him some dog food out (that's all I had as I have always had dogs) He ate it as fast as I'd give it to him. The next day he was still there so I bought him catfood. I started feeding him every day outside. He stayed. After about 3 weeks I figured if he was going to stay I better get him to a vet and get him neutered. I took him to my dog's vet who tested him for Feline Leukemia and I don't know what else and said he's positive for Feline Leukemia, you might as well have him put to sleep as he's gonna die anyway. Well, I'd become attached to him so I said, no not gonna do that. Go ahead and neuter him and give him whatever vaccinations he needs and we'll go from there. I found a local vet that specializes in cats and took him there. I moved him inside and there's he's been ever since. He's a huge boy now, a sweet loving lap cat and I love him with all my heart :-) He's had some problems, a kidney infection, eye infections, and now he's having some issues with what they think is pancreatitis. He's had bouts of vomiting, and loss of appetite. It comes back after a day or so and he's fine for several days but then it seems to come back. I'm now waiting on the results of some test that may be able to determine if it is truly pancreatitis. All his other blood levels are normal. No temp. Today his heart rate was up but other than that he was normal other than he acted like his tummy hurt and he wouldn't eat and didn't want to be handled (both things are very unlike him as he'd sit in my lap for hours usually if I'll let him) So here we are and we're hoping to learn. Oh, his name is General Sterling Price, named for a cat in a John Wayne movie, True Grit (Mattie Ross: You don't have any family, do you?Except Chen Lee and that lazy cat. Cogburn: General Price don't belong to me.Cats don't belong to nobody! He just rooms with me.Course I depend on him...) Sidney and General Sterling Price ** Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0010) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
