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Chris, I'm so sorry about Mylo. tonya Chris Ramzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mylo went to the specialist yesterday. The doctor was very nice and seemed very educated on FeLV. He said that Mylo's kidney's are very inflamed, and that he believe's that Mylo has lymphoma and possibly liver disease. This diagnosis didn't surprise me as I know lymphoma can accompany FeLV. Mylo is dehydrated even though I give him water throughout the day. He's just not drinking enough on his own. So the vet said Mylo would have to be hospitalized, have a blood transfusion, be put on meds and have chemotherapy. He said that even if I did all those things, Mylo would most likely only have 4 to 5 months to live. I am glad I went to the appointment because I wanted a specialist's opinion even though I know how bad off Mylo is. Mylo has hardly eaten the last couple of days. His energy is still very low, and the sick meow sound that he makes once and a while is very painful to hear. Mylo's quality of life has deteriorated within the last month and I don't want to put him through any more stress than he's already gone through. I tried my best to find a way to help him get better but I have to accept that there is nothing more I can do to help him become healthy again. That is a difficult thing. From: Nina Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Chris and Mylo Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 22:57:39 -0800 Hi Chris, I've been thinking about you guys. What happened at the Internist today? I hope no news is good news. Please update us when you can. Nina Chris Ramzy wrote: Thank you Elizabeth. Will give an update after the appointment on Saturday. I can't wait and I hope to get some help for Mylo. _ Dont waste time standing in linetry shopping online. Visit Sympatico / MSN Shopping today! http://shopping.sympatico.msn.ca
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That's the thing. I didn't want to wonder what if and I don't. That's why I saw different vets and an oncologist. All of them said the same thing. The oncologist being the most informative. I did what I could for Mylo and I believe anything else would have just made him more uncomfortable. At the same time I wish there could have been more out there to help him or cure him. Mylo needed so many things and had so many ailments beyond repairin the end it consumed him. My poor little Mylo could not fight anymore. I have to remember it was for the best as his fragile little body could not take anymore. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 00:01:33 -0500 I understand. I chose to euthanise my Moogie when she was really sick too... I didn't opt for the transfusions either. Now, I always wonder.. what if. I just wish I would have joined this group a little sooner than I did. I think that's how a lot of us here feel. Phaewryn _ Your Space. Your Friends. Your Stories. Share your world with Windows Live Spaces. http://discoverspaces.live.com/?loc=en-CA
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Thank you Diane. From: Diane Rosenfeldt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Chris and Mylo Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 00:06:03 -0600 Chris, I'm sorry that Mylo is so sick. My heart goes out to both of you as you make these difficult choices. Diane R. _ Your Space. Your Friends. Your Stories. Share your world with Windows Live Spaces. http://discoverspaces.live.com/?loc=en-CA
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You made a kind and unselfish choice. My heart breaks for you. elizabeth On 1/31/07, Chris Ramzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's the thing. I didn't want to wonder what if and I don't. That's why I saw different vets and an oncologist. All of them said the same thing. The oncologist being the most informative. I did what I could for Mylo and I believe anything else would have just made him more uncomfortable. At the same time I wish there could have been more out there to help him or cure him. Mylo needed so many things and had so many ailments beyond repairin the end it consumed him. My poor little Mylo could not fight anymore. I have to remember it was for the best as his fragile little body could not take anymore.
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I agree. From: TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:52:30 -0500 GLOW for you and mylo. sometimes doing all that is medically possible is NOT the correct choice for the cat, tho it may be what seems right for us. i always ask the critter--and when they make it clear that they no longer want to be treated, and fight assisted feeding and fluids, i have to respect that, because as much as i don't want them to be gone, i do not want to force them to stay beyond their time to meet my needs. they have a much keener sense of the cycles of life than we do, and i have learned so much from sharing their journeys. MC On 1/29/07, Chris Ramzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for your thoughts. Yes, I've heard of assisted feeding and injections etc. Mylo needs so much more than that...chemo, blood transfusion, meds, ultrasounds, etc. Yet, he will probably only live 4 more months if successful. I feel that would be putting him through more stress. He hangs on to me whenever we go to the vet. To hospitalize him again and put him back on meds (he hated that), would break my heart. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:22:54 -0500 Peace to both Mylo and you Chris, I will be sending peaceful thoughts of passage and happiness to Mylo! Phaewryn You are aware that you can assist/force feed, right, or even have a feeding tube inserted? And that a combination Dex/Depo injection has given cats JUST as sick as Milo is now several happy and comfortable week to months more time, right? http://www.assistfeed.com/FelineAnorexia.htm http://ucat.us/DDlymphomacocktail.html _ Don't waste time standing in linetry shopping online. Visit Sympatico / MSN Shopping today! http://shopping.sympatico.msn.ca -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 _ Your Space. Your Friends. Your Stories. Share your world with Windows Live Spaces. http://discoverspaces.live.com/?loc=en-CA
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Again, I agree with your thoughts relating to these types of situations From: TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:40:34 -0500 i will do fluids in a heartbeat for a cat--until they make it clear that they no longer want it. i remember being really upset with a kitty who just would not let me administer fluids, because i KNEW it would make her feel better--she was clearly terminal (at 22!), and it was the holistic vet who came over later that day to send her home who pointed out to me that it was a clear message from the cat that she was ready to go, and did not want any more intervention. so when they fight really hard, and use up enormous amounts of energy they don't have to spare, against my help, i honor that. i guess it really depends on what the condition is, and whether or not there is a real possibility of turning the situation around. even tho we never really can know for sure i have come to believe, tho, and this is MY opinion, that it is better to send them on one day too soon, than ten minutes too late, if that ten minutes mean they are suffering. i don't for a minute mean to imply that it's EVER an easy decision to make. On 1/30/07, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree sometimes you come to a point where you have to consider letting them go but in my opinion and my opinion only assist feeding and fluids are in NO way going too far. ANY cat that doesn't feel well for whatever reason can and most likely will stop eating, and dehydration makes a cat feel like sh*t, so they will not eat. Same as anyone or anything that doesn't feel good not eating is the first thing that happens. I don't eat when I feel like crap, don't know many people that do. To not try and assist feed or give fluids when dehydrated to me is not trying the simplest things to turn a cat around. Many, many times a cat that looks like crap and isn't eating because of dehydration will go right to the food bowl once they are hydrated again, I've seen it and heard of it over and over again. I also don't know of many cats that love or even like assist feeding but most will adapt to it eventually. And for me if they don't and it is too stressful I will ALWAYS try a feeding tube because I know personally how great they can be and indirectly know many, many cats that have been saved and are alive and well 5, 6 and more years later with NO hint of the problem that caused the inappetence. Sometimes cat develop anorexia for unknown reasons, they aren't even sick but obviously if they aren't eating and nothing is done to intervene they will get sick and die. Just wanted to make an argument for the other side which I have personal experience with. sometimes doing all that is medically possible is NOT the correct choice for the cat, tho it may be what seems right for us. i always ask the critter--and when they make it clear that they no longer want to be treated, and fight assisted feeding and fluids, -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 _ Buy what you want when you want it on Sympatico / MSN Shopping http://shopping.sympatico.msn.ca/content/shp/?ctId=2,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=081805
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Thank you for your thoughts Gina. Mylo was already at the stage where he didn't move very much. Very sad. From: Gina WN [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 22:03:49 -0800 (PST) Love and peace to you and Mylo. When my Buddy was terminal from cancer, the vet recommended I learn how to do sub-q fluids, so I could take him home and make him comfortable. He said that I would know when it was time to let him go, or even possibly he would leave me of his own accord before I had to make the decision. At any rate, he thought we'd have a few weeks at best. We had two good weeks together; Buddy took the fluids very well and was still eating, though not anywhere near his usual amount. I was giving him a combination of baby food and the tastiest wet cat food I could find. One day, he just stopped eating altogether and he barely moved from his position on the cat bed. I looked into his eyes and I knew it was time. I was so glad I had spent that time with him and was able to say goodbye. I feel so bad for you Chris, knowing what you are going through. Gina TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GLOW for you and mylo. sometimes doing all that is medically possible is NOT the correct choice for the cat, tho it may be what seems right for us. i always ask the critter--and when they make it clear that they no longer want to be treated, and fight assisted feeding and fluids, i have to respect that, because as much as i don't want them to be gone, i do not want to force them to stay beyond their time to meet my needs. they have a much keener sense of the cycles of life than we do, and i have learned so much from sharing their journeys. MC On 1/29/07, Chris Ramzy wrote: Thanks for your thoughts. Yes, I've heard of assisted feeding and injections etc. Mylo needs so much more than that...chemo, blood transfusion, meds, ultrasounds, etc. Yet, he will probably only live 4 more months if successful. I feel that would be putting him through more stress. He hangs on to me whenever we go to the vet. To hospitalize him again and put him back on meds (he hated that), would break my heart. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:22:54 -0500 Peace to both Mylo and you Chris, I will be sending peaceful thoughts of passage and happiness to Mylo! Phaewryn You are aware that you can assist/force feed, right, or even have a feeding tube inserted? And that a combination Dex/Depo injection has given cats JUST as sick as Milo is now several happy and comfortable week to months more time, right? http://www.assistfeed.com/FelineAnorexia.htm http://ucat.us/DDlymphomacocktail.html _ Don't waste time standing in linetry shopping online. Visit Sympatico / MSN Shopping today! http://shopping.sympatico.msn.ca -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 Visit my Tigger Tales site! - Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. _ Buy what you want when you want it on Sympatico / MSN Shopping http://shopping.sympatico.msn.ca/content/shp/?ctId=2,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=081805
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You have my condolences Chris... it is hard to lose them. Phaewryn
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You and Mylo know when the time is right. My thoughts are with you. It is a decsion I never want to make but I am glad that I can make it when the time is right. Hugs, Sally Junior Daisy Spike Speedy Ittle Bitty Silver Grey and white Little Black Lily On 1/29/07, Chris Ramzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes the doctor talked about hydrating Mylo but would not help all the other ailments. Sadly, Mylo is too far gone at this point. I've gone over every angle on how I can help Mylo become healthy. Looking at him is difficult as I keep thinking that tomorrow at this time he will not be beside me. From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Chris and Mylo Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:02:43 -0600 I'm so very sorry to hear the diagnosis for Mylo. (I'm glad you had an understanding, nice, educated doctor---astonishingly that is not always the caseit helps a LOT, when you and your beloved kitty are going through a traumatic time). Did the doctor talk about giving Mylo sub-cutaneous fluids (aka sub-Qs) for his dehydration? If you don't know about giving sub-Qs, it's something that is easily learned and that you would be able to do for him yourself at home to keep him hydrated and comfortable at least in that respect. (When I did it every other day for my foster Pookie, it actually bonded us more.) My housecall vet offered to show me, and sold me a bag of fluid and needles to start me off, and I imagine most vets would be willing to do the same (or have one of their staff show you). Many people on the list are able to give sub-Qs. The fluids and needles can be bought online at competitive prices. love and hugs to you and Mylo, Kerry M -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Oh Chris...this is so hard. I am so sorry the prognosis was not better. You can let him know that you love him and comfort him. I know it is so hard to talk about - but there comes a time when the kindest gift you can give is freedom from pain and suffering. You will know if that time comes. Every day is so precious. My heart is with you. elizabeth On 1/28/07, Chris Ramzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mylo went to the specialist yesterday. The doctor was very nice and seemed very educated on FeLV. He said that Mylo's kidney's are very inflamed, and that he believe's that Mylo has lymphoma and possibly liver disease. This diagnosis didn't surprise me as I know lymphoma can accompany FeLV. Mylo is dehydrated even though I give him water throughout the day. He's just not drinking enough on his own. So the vet said Mylo would have to be hospitalized, have a blood transfusion, be put on meds and have chemotherapy. He said that even if I did all those things, Mylo would most likely only have 4 to 5 months to live. I am glad I went to the appointment because I wanted a specialist's opinion even though I know how bad off Mylo is. Mylo has hardly eaten the last couple of days. His energy is still very low, and the sick meow sound that he makes once and a while is very painful to hear. Mylo's quality of life has deteriorated within the last month and I don't want to put him through any more stress than he's already gone through. I tried my best to find a way to help him get better but I have to accept that there is nothing more I can do to help him become healthy again. That is a difficult thing. From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Chris and Mylo Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 22:57:39 -0800 Hi Chris, I've been thinking about you guys. What happened at the Internist today? I hope no news is good news. Please update us when you can. Nina Chris Ramzy wrote: Thank you Elizabeth. Will give an update after the appointment on Saturday. I can't wait and I hope to get some help for Mylo. _ Don't waste time standing in line-try shopping online. Visit Sympatico / MSN Shopping today! http://shopping.sympatico.msn.ca IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion
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Being dehydrated is like having a horrible hangover, of course your going to look and feel crappy, not hydrating is only adding to his discomfort. I can't believe the dr didn't insist on it. This little inexpensive thing could really help him be more comfortable. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Hi Chris, Last year I learned to do subQ fluids after my kitty Julie was diagnosed hyperT, and I've done it on two other of my kitties who got sick since then. It's pretty easy, although I was scared at first to learn, because I didn't want to hurt my furbaby. Julie gets 200cc a week because of her health, and it makes so much of a difference for her. If you want the company's info. that I order from, I will get it to you. They are good and fairly inexpensive. But if you don't feel there's much time left, at the very least, I agree with Belinda, that getting your vet to give Mylo fluids would be very compassionate of you. Dehydration makes kitty feel horrible. :) Wendy --- Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Being dehydrated is like having a horrible hangover, of course your going to look and feel crappy, not hydrating is only adding to his discomfort. I can't believe the dr didn't insist on it. This little inexpensive thing could really help him be more comfortable. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html
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Good morning, how's is everything going for you and Mylo today. They put Toby in the hospital yesterday for blood work,iv fluids and pain meds. Blood work came out fine. They are going to an ultra sound today. Toby was originally being treated for a bladder infection and then he got blocked up in his ingestions and had to have surgery back on the 16th of Jan. He does real good, comes home and it seems like every Sunday he starts going down hill. Quits eating and drinking and not using his litter box. We don't know if he is still healing from the surgery or what is going on. This is the third time in the hospital for him. And today they will take his staples out I will know more later today after I get off work - Original Message - From: Chris Ramzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 9:50 PM Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Hi Anna, I'm so sorry to hear about Toby. I just keep saying to myself that I don't want Mylo to suffer and to live the way he has been living in the past month or so. Every time I look at him my heart sinks. He rests his little head on his paws and he looks up at me and tries not to move any other part of his body. What happened at the vet today? From: Anna [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:31:57 -0700 I feel your pain..We have an appointment this afternoon for Toby. I do not think he will be coming home. He hasn't taken food since Saturday..Has not pottied in the litter box. This is the 3rd crash he has had in a month. Very lethargic and his tummy is having spasms. At least they will be out of misery.. - Original Message - From: Chris Ramzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 3:24 PM Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Mylo has not been eating the last couple of days. He is very lethargic. He is very sick beyond recovery. I have made an appointment for tomorrow to have Mylo put down. He is not happy and it hurts me to see him like that. I have taken tomorrow off work to spend the day with him and then go to the appt. at 5:30. I've struggled with this decision back and forth but I believe this is the best thing for Mylo. :( From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:04:00 -0800 Chris, I too am so sorry to hear the news about Mylo. It's the hardest decision we have to make when we think their suffering warrants it. If we believe that their suffering outweighs any pleasure they have left, when we are unselfish enough to consider their quality of life over our desperately wanting them to stay, when we have lost hope of them being able to recover, then it is an unselfish gift of love to help them cross. If you're not quite there yet, (you didn't make it clear in your post), please ask the specialist vet about dexamethisone injections. They are administered subq (under the skin), and your vet can show you how to do them at home. When my Spencer was failing from what we believe was lymphoma, I gave him .4ccs of dex daily and he bounced back to almost his former self. It gave us another full month of very good quality of life, another month to share and love and enjoy. Again, I'm so sorry. You and Mylo are in my prayers and thoughts, Nina MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: I'm so very sorry to hear the diagnosis for Mylo. (I'm glad you had an understanding, nice, educated doctor---astonishingly that is not always the caseit helps a LOT, when you and your beloved kitty are going through a traumatic time). Did the doctor talk about giving Mylo sub-cutaneous fluids (aka sub-Qs) for his dehydration? If you don't know about giving sub-Qs, it's something that is easily learned and that you would be able to do for him yourself at home to keep him hydrated and comfortable at least in that respect. (When I did it every other day for my foster Pookie, it actually bonded us more.) My housecall vet offered to show me, and sold me a bag of fluid and needles to start me off, and I imagine most vets would be willing to do the same (or have one of their staff show you). Many people on the list are able to give sub-Qs. The fluids and needles can be bought online at competitive prices. love and hugs to you and Mylo, Kerry M -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *elizabeth trent *Sent:* Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:11 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: Chris and Mylo Oh Chris...this is so hard. I am so sorry the prognosis was not better. You can let him know that you love him and comfort him. I know it is so hard to talk about - but there comes a time when the kindest gift you can give is freedom from pain
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GLOW for you and mylo. sometimes doing all that is medically possible is NOT the correct choice for the cat, tho it may be what seems right for us. i always ask the critter--and when they make it clear that they no longer want to be treated, and fight assisted feeding and fluids, i have to respect that, because as much as i don't want them to be gone, i do not want to force them to stay beyond their time to meet my needs. they have a much keener sense of the cycles of life than we do, and i have learned so much from sharing their journeys. MC On 1/29/07, Chris Ramzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for your thoughts. Yes, I've heard of assisted feeding and injections etc. Mylo needs so much more than that...chemo, blood transfusion, meds, ultrasounds, etc. Yet, he will probably only live 4 more months if successful. I feel that would be putting him through more stress. He hangs on to me whenever we go to the vet. To hospitalize him again and put him back on meds (he hated that), would break my heart. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:22:54 -0500 Peace to both Mylo and you Chris, I will be sending peaceful thoughts of passage and happiness to Mylo! Phaewryn You are aware that you can assist/force feed, right, or even have a feeding tube inserted? And that a combination Dex/Depo injection has given cats JUST as sick as Milo is now several happy and comfortable week to months more time, right? http://www.assistfeed.com/FelineAnorexia.htm http://ucat.us/DDlymphomacocktail.html _ Don't waste time standing in line—try shopping online. Visit Sympatico / MSN Shopping today! http://shopping.sympatico.msn.ca -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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I agree sometimes you come to a point where you have to consider letting them go but in my opinion and *my opinion only* assist feeding and fluids are in NO way going too far. ANY cat that doesn't feel well for whatever reason can and most likely will stop eating, and dehydration makes a cat feel like sh*t, so they will not eat. Same as anyone or anything that doesn't feel good not eating is the first thing that happens. I don't eat when I feel like crap, don't know many people that do. To not try and assist feed or give fluids when dehydrated to me is not trying the simplest things to turn a cat around. Many, many times a cat that looks like crap and isn't eating because of dehydration will go right to the food bowl once they are hydrated again, I've seen it and heard of it over and over again. I also don't know of many cats that love or even like assist feeding but most will adapt to it eventually. And for me if they don't and it is too stressful I will ALWAYS try a feeding tube because I know personally how great they can be and indirectly know many, many cats that have been saved and are alive and well 5, 6 and more years later with NO hint of the problem that caused the inappetence. Sometimes cat develop anorexia for unknown reasons, they aren't even sick but obviously if they aren't eating and nothing is done to intervene they will get sick and die. Just wanted to make an argument for the other side which I have personal experience with. sometimes doing all that is medically possible is NOT the correct choice for the cat, tho it may be what seems right for us. i always ask the critter--and when they make it clear that they no longer want to be treated, and fight assisted feeding and fluids, -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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i will do fluids in a heartbeat for a cat--until they make it clear that they no longer want it. i remember being really upset with a kitty who just would not let me administer fluids, because i KNEW it would make her feel better--she was clearly terminal (at 22!), and it was the holistic vet who came over later that day to send her home who pointed out to me that it was a clear message from the cat that she was ready to go, and did not want any more intervention. so when they fight really hard, and use up enormous amounts of energy they don't have to spare, against my help, i honor that. i guess it really depends on what the condition is, and whether or not there is a real possibility of turning the situation around. even tho we never really can know for sure i have come to believe, tho, and this is MY opinion, that it is better to send them on one day too soon, than ten minutes too late, if that ten minutes mean they are suffering. i don't for a minute mean to imply that it's EVER an easy decision to make. On 1/30/07, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree sometimes you come to a point where you have to consider letting them go but in my opinion and my opinion only assist feeding and fluids are in NO way going too far. ANY cat that doesn't feel well for whatever reason can and most likely will stop eating, and dehydration makes a cat feel like sh*t, so they will not eat. Same as anyone or anything that doesn't feel good not eating is the first thing that happens. I don't eat when I feel like crap, don't know many people that do. To not try and assist feed or give fluids when dehydrated to me is not trying the simplest things to turn a cat around. Many, many times a cat that looks like crap and isn't eating because of dehydration will go right to the food bowl once they are hydrated again, I've seen it and heard of it over and over again. I also don't know of many cats that love or even like assist feeding but most will adapt to it eventually. And for me if they don't and it is too stressful I will ALWAYS try a feeding tube because I know personally how great they can be and indirectly know many, many cats that have been saved and are alive and well 5, 6 and more years later with NO hint of the problem that caused the inappetence. Sometimes cat develop anorexia for unknown reasons, they aren't even sick but obviously if they aren't eating and nothing is done to intervene they will get sick and die. Just wanted to make an argument for the other side which I have personal experience with. sometimes doing all that is medically possible is NOT the correct choice for the cat, tho it may be what seems right for us. i always ask the critter--and when they make it clear that they no longer want to be treated, and fight assisted feeding and fluids, -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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PS. Fred told an AC he wasn't thrilled with the fluids, he didn't understand the reason for it. He said he'd rather not get them but I asked her to explain to him that they would help his kidney's function better and keep him feeling good for some time. His values have improved quite a bit and he still doesn't love it but he does sit still for it and the 3 minutes it takes to do it to me is worth the 8 good months he's had *and* he has gotten more grouchily affectionate in the last few months. I was very stressed out when we first started fluids, he fought me tooth and nail, he tried biting me every time but once I explained why it was being done and the fact that it was going to be done he got used to it. His overall health is good his kidney's are just wearing out but he has some good years left and he has realized he does feel better with all I'm doing so like it or not the ten minutes total a day it takes to give him his fluids and meds is a small price to pay for his continued good health. To me it's the same as if I had a human child, they hate taking medicine too but we make them for their own good. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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I used to think this too but since I've heard from many AC's that animals don't fear the pain sometimes associated with dying in some instances and many actually prefer to go through the whole cycle I am really more of the thinking of letting them complete the cycle without my intervention. Now if I clearly get the idea that an animal would rather not go naturally I will help them and having done it both ways there to me is no harder thing than helping an animal go, although the other is pretty tough also. i have come to believe, tho, and this is MY opinion, that it is better to send them on one day too soon, than ten minutes too late, if that ten minutes mean they are suffering. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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i think, too, that i'm talking more about cats who accept treatment quite well for a long time, and then suddenly say, enough. i am a huge believer in giving fluids, and will do so often at the first sign of punkiness in a cat, and have seen them work wonders--often one application of subq fluids will stop a developing problem in its tracks, so to speak. and my cats just seem to take it as a matter of course that if they aren't feeling well, mommy will probably start out with fluids (and, often, a shot of dex.) i've always explained to them why the fluids are good for them, and they've always seemed to understand, because it DOES make them feel so much better, so quickly. it's only been the last two years that i haven't had a bag of fluids and a set of lines hanging in my living room--since jess, my FIV coonie discovered how much fun it is to shred the lines and hydrate common household objects. digital cameras do NOT respond well to fluids, believe me now, the bags are kept less accessible. On 1/30/07, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS. Fred told an AC he wasn't thrilled with the fluids, he didn't understand the reason for it. He said he'd rather not get them but I asked her to explain to him that they would help his kidney's function better and keep him feeling good for some time. His values have improved quite a bit and he still doesn't love it but he does sit still for it and the 3 minutes it takes to do it to me is worth the 8 good months he's had and he has gotten more grouchily affectionate in the last few months. I was very stressed out when we first started fluids, he fought me tooth and nail, he tried biting me every time but once I explained why it was being done and the fact that it was going to be done he got used to it. His overall health is good his kidney's are just wearing out but he has some good years left and he has realized he does feel better with all I'm doing so like it or not the ten minutes total a day it takes to give him his fluids and meds is a small price to pay for his continued good health. To me it's the same as if I had a human child, they hate taking medicine too but we make them for their own good. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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this is a hard one, because actually, i haven't used veterinary intervention with any of my kids in many years. i HAVE with sanctuary animals who were seizing, or clearly in great pain, and i wouldn't hesitate to do so if one of mine were in that situation. but i agree that letting them go through the complete cycle is the best. (for the other animals in the house, as well, who get to say their goodbyes.) as long as they let me know they want to continue on i will do anything i can; but i try very hard to separate my needs from theirs. i always give them permission to leave if that is where their path leaves, while letting them know that i will do whatever is necessary to help them stay if that is what they want to do. at some point, tho, it seems that their spirits go on, and i see the final physical manifestations as the last remnants of their spirits leaving behind a body they're outgrown On 1/30/07, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used to think this too but since I've heard from many AC's that animals don't fear the pain sometimes associated with dying in some instances and many actually prefer to go through the whole cycle I am really more of the thinking of letting them complete the cycle without my intervention. Now if I clearly get the idea that an animal would rather not go naturally I will help them and having done it both ways there to me is no harder thing than helping an animal go, although the other is pretty tough also. i have come to believe, tho, and this is MY opinion, that it is better to send them on one day too soon, than ten minutes too late, if that ten minutes mean they are suffering. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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Agree with this, I talked with Buddie the day before her surgery and told her if she was ready to go I would be OK, I would miss her physical self but if shwas ready to go home then she should. She survived the surgery but went into cardiac arrest after in recovery. It was her choice ad she made it. The cancer had spread and there was no recovery ahead so she choose to leave. anything i can; but i try very hard to separate my needs from theirs. i always give them permission to leave if that is where their path leaves, -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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I agree with Belinda... I REGRET not trying all of that for Moogie (I wasn't here on the list long enough to learn enough before I opted to have Moogie euthanised). I don't want anyone else to have second guesses years down the road. I'm just thankful that I've stuck around here and learned about it all now, so I never have to go into any more circumstances like that with another cat... being undereducated. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
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No, animals don't FEAR the pain of dying (and don't fear dying, for that matter), because they live in the moment, so they are only fearful when actually in the process of being scared (and they don't have a belief system that registers the end of life or moving to another cycle like we do, so they don't even conceptualize death like we do). They don't anticipate things, they don't think ahead like we do. But, they do still feel pain, and would rather NOT have to feel it. Their pain responses are just like ours, if you hurt a cat, it will pull away or vocalize. They will run to avoid pain. (ever see one move it's tail just as you were about to step on it?) I think the AC's you've spoken to are wrong. Phaewryn I used to think this too but since I've heard from many AC's that animals don't fear the pain sometimes associated with dying in some instances and many actually prefer to go through the whole cycle I am really more of the thinking of letting them complete the cycle without my intervention. Now if I clearly get the idea that an animal would rather not go naturally I will help them and having done it both ways there to me is no harder thing than helping an animal go, although the other is pretty tough also.
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Love and peace to you and Mylo. When my Buddy was terminal from cancer, the vet recommended I learn how to do sub-q fluids, so I could take him home and make him comfortable. He said that I would know when it was time to let him go, or even possibly he would leave me of his own accord before I had to make the decision. At any rate, he thought we'd have a few weeks at best. We had two good weeks together; Buddy took the fluids very well and was still eating, though not anywhere near his usual amount. I was giving him a combination of baby food and the tastiest wet cat food I could find. One day, he just stopped eating altogether and he barely moved from his position on the cat bed. I looked into his eyes and I knew it was time. I was so glad I had spent that time with him and was able to say goodbye. I feel so bad for you Chris, knowing what you are going through. Gina TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GLOW for you and mylo. sometimes doing all that is medically possible is NOT the correct choice for the cat, tho it may be what seems right for us. i always ask the critter--and when they make it clear that they no longer want to be treated, and fight assisted feeding and fluids, i have to respect that, because as much as i don't want them to be gone, i do not want to force them to stay beyond their time to meet my needs. they have a much keener sense of the cycles of life than we do, and i have learned so much from sharing their journeys. MC On 1/29/07, Chris Ramzy wrote: Thanks for your thoughts. Yes, I've heard of assisted feeding and injections etc. Mylo needs so much more than that...chemo, blood transfusion, meds, ultrasounds, etc. Yet, he will probably only live 4 more months if successful. I feel that would be putting him through more stress. He hangs on to me whenever we go to the vet. To hospitalize him again and put him back on meds (he hated that), would break my heart. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:22:54 -0500 Peace to both Mylo and you Chris, I will be sending peaceful thoughts of passage and happiness to Mylo! Phaewryn You are aware that you can assist/force feed, right, or even have a feeding tube inserted? And that a combination Dex/Depo injection has given cats JUST as sick as Milo is now several happy and comfortable week to months more time, right? http://www.assistfeed.com/FelineAnorexia.htm http://ucat.us/DDlymphomacocktail.html _ Don't waste time standing in linetry shopping online. Visit Sympatico / MSN Shopping today! http://shopping.sympatico.msn.ca -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 Visit my Tigger Tales site! - Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta.
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I'm so very sorry to hear the diagnosis for Mylo. (I'm glad you had an understanding, nice, educated doctor---astonishingly that is not always the caseit helps a LOT, when you and your beloved kitty are going through a traumatic time). Did the doctor talk about giving Mylo sub-cutaneous fluids (aka sub-Qs) for his dehydration? If you don't know about giving sub-Qs, it's something that is easily learned and that you would be able to do for him yourself at home to keep him hydrated and comfortable at least in that respect. (When I did it every other day for my foster Pookie, it actually bonded us more.) My housecall vet offered to show me, and sold me a bag of fluid and needles to start me off, and I imagine most vets would be willing to do the same (or have one of their staff show you). Many people on the list are able to give sub-Qs. The fluids and needles can be bought online at competitive prices. love and hugs to you and Mylo, Kerry M -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Oh Chris...this is so hard. I am so sorry the prognosis was not better. You can let him know that you love him and comfort him. I know it is so hard to talk about - but there comes a time when the kindest gift you can give is freedom from pain and suffering. You will know if that time comes. Every day is so precious. My heart is with you. elizabeth On 1/28/07, Chris Ramzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mylo went to the specialist yesterday. The doctor was very nice and seemed very educated on FeLV. He said that Mylo's kidney's are very inflamed, and that he believe's that Mylo has lymphoma and possibly liver disease. This diagnosis didn't surprise me as I know lymphoma can accompany FeLV. Mylo is dehydrated even though I give him water throughout the day. He's just not drinking enough on his own. So the vet said Mylo would have to be hospitalized, have a blood transfusion, be put on meds and have chemotherapy. He said that even if I did all those things, Mylo would most likely only have 4 to 5 months to live. I am glad I went to the appointment because I wanted a specialist's opinion even though I know how bad off Mylo is. Mylo has hardly eaten the last couple of days. His energy is still very low, and the sick meow sound that he makes once and a while is very painful to hear. Mylo's quality of life has deteriorated within the last month and I don't want to put him through any more stress than he's already gone through. I tried my best to find a way to help him get better but I have to accept that there is nothing more I can do to help him become healthy again. That is a difficult thing. From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Chris and Mylo Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 22:57:39 -0800 Hi Chris, I've been thinking about you guys. What happened at the Internist today? I hope no news is good news. Please update us when you can. Nina Chris Ramzy wrote: Thank you Elizabeth. Will give an update after the appointment on Saturday. I can't wait and I hope to get some help for Mylo. _ Don't waste time standing in line-try shopping online. Visit Sympatico / MSN Shopping today! http://shopping.sympatico.msn.ca IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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Chris, I too am so sorry to hear the news about Mylo. It's the hardest decision we have to make when we think their suffering warrants it. If we believe that their suffering outweighs any pleasure they have left, when we are unselfish enough to consider their quality of life over our desperately wanting them to stay, when we have lost hope of them being able to recover, then it is an unselfish gift of love to help them cross. If you're not quite there yet, (you didn't make it clear in your post), please ask the specialist vet about dexamethisone injections. They are administered subq (under the skin), and your vet can show you how to do them at home. When my Spencer was failing from what we believe was lymphoma, I gave him .4ccs of dex daily and he bounced back to almost his former self. It gave us another full month of very good quality of life, another month to share and love and enjoy. Again, I'm so sorry. You and Mylo are in my prayers and thoughts, Nina MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: I'm so very sorry to hear the diagnosis for Mylo. (I'm glad you had an understanding, nice, educated doctor---astonishingly that is not always the caseit helps a LOT, when you and your beloved kitty are going through a traumatic time). Did the doctor talk about giving Mylo sub-cutaneous fluids (aka sub-Qs) for his dehydration? If you don't know about giving sub-Qs, it's something that is easily learned and that you would be able to do for him yourself at home to keep him hydrated and comfortable at least in that respect. (When I did it every other day for my foster Pookie, it actually bonded us more.) My housecall vet offered to show me, and sold me a bag of fluid and needles to start me off, and I imagine most vets would be willing to do the same (or have one of their staff show you). Many people on the list are able to give sub-Qs. The fluids and needles can be bought online at competitive prices. love and hugs to you and Mylo, Kerry M -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *elizabeth trent *Sent:* Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:11 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: Chris and Mylo Oh Chris...this is so hard. I am so sorry the prognosis was not better. You can let him know that you love him and comfort him. I know it is so hard to talk about - but there comes a time when the kindest gift you can give is freedom from pain and suffering. You will know if that time comes. Every day is so precious. My heart is with you. elizabeth On 1/28/07, *Chris Ramzy* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mylo went to the specialist yesterday. The doctor was very nice and seemed very educated on FeLV. He said that Mylo's kidney's are very inflamed, and that he believe's that Mylo has lymphoma and possibly liver disease. This diagnosis didn't surprise me as I know lymphoma can accompany FeLV. Mylo is dehydrated even though I give him water throughout the day. He's just not drinking enough on his own. So the vet said Mylo would have to be hospitalized, have a blood transfusion, be put on meds and have chemotherapy. He said that even if I did all those things, Mylo would most likely only have 4 to 5 months to live. I am glad I went to the appointment because I wanted a specialist's opinion even though I know how bad off Mylo is. Mylo has hardly eaten the last couple of days. His energy is still very low, and the sick meow sound that he makes once and a while is very painful to hear. Mylo's quality of life has deteriorated within the last month and I don't want to put him through any more stress than he's already gone through. I tried my best to find a way to help him get better but I have to accept that there is nothing more I can do to help him become healthy again. That is a difficult thing.
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Chris, I am so sorry about what you and Mylo are going through. I know that sick feeling of realizing that all hope is lost and there's nothing you can do anymore but just let go of your furbaby that you love so deeply. My heart aches for you and Mylo. Mylo is SO lucky to have to love him. And vice versa. Enjoy whatever time you have left with him. Make sure you have pictures of him. Prayers going out for both of you for peace and strength. :) Wendy --- Chris Ramzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mylo went to the specialist yesterday. The doctor was very nice and seemed very educated on FeLV. He said that Mylo's kidney's are very inflamed, and that he believe's that Mylo has lymphoma and possibly liver disease. This diagnosis didn't surprise me as I know lymphoma can accompany FeLV. Mylo is dehydrated even though I give him water throughout the day. He's just not drinking enough on his own. So the vet said Mylo would have to be hospitalized, have a blood transfusion, be put on meds and have chemotherapy. He said that even if I did all those things, Mylo would most likely only have 4 to 5 months to live. I am glad I went to the appointment because I wanted a specialist's opinion even though I know how bad off Mylo is. Mylo has hardly eaten the last couple of days. His energy is still very low, and the sick meow sound that he makes once and a while is very painful to hear. Mylo's quality of life has deteriorated within the last month and I don't want to put him through any more stress than he's already gone through. I tried my best to find a way to help him get better but I have to accept that there is nothing more I can do to help him become healthy again. That is a difficult thing. From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Chris and Mylo Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 22:57:39 -0800 Hi Chris, I've been thinking about you guys. What happened at the Internist today? I hope no news is good news. Please update us when you can. Nina Chris Ramzy wrote: Thank you Elizabeth. Will give an update after the appointment on Saturday. I can't wait and I hope to get some help for Mylo. _ Dont waste time standing in linetry shopping online. Visit Sympatico / MSN Shopping today! http://shopping.sympatico.msn.ca 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news
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Hi Chris, *Can I ask what tests were run to diagnose this?* I know several FeLV+ who are battling cancer and doing very well. One has been in remission for 2 years. What kind of cancer, lymphoma is a broad term, is it small cell, large cell?? My Buddie had small cell, liver cancer and did very well for over a year. She stopped eating on the chemo and I stopped it, I then had her on prednisolone and she was doing fine until the cancer spread over a year later. Just an FYI, in hindsight I would not stop the chemo today I would opt for assist feeding and continue the chemo, I believe Buddie would have lived longer and possibly gone into remission, her quality of life was good except for a 5 day period when she came down with a sepsis infection which we pulled her through. She fought very hard. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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PS. If Mylo isn't eating well he may very well not have cancer but something called hepatic lipidosis, cats who don't eat enough or don't eat for a few days, some as little as 2 days can develop this. It is deadly serious and the ONLY thing that can save a cat with this is food. The liver would be inflamed with this. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Mylo has not been eating the last couple of days. He is very lethargic. He is very sick beyond recovery. I have made an appointment for tomorrow to have Mylo put down. He is not happy and it hurts me to see him like that. I have taken tomorrow off work to spend the day with him and then go to the appt. at 5:30. I've struggled with this decision back and forth but I believe this is the best thing for Mylo. :( From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:04:00 -0800 Chris, I too am so sorry to hear the news about Mylo. It's the hardest decision we have to make when we think their suffering warrants it. If we believe that their suffering outweighs any pleasure they have left, when we are unselfish enough to consider their quality of life over our desperately wanting them to stay, when we have lost hope of them being able to recover, then it is an unselfish gift of love to help them cross. If you're not quite there yet, (you didn't make it clear in your post), please ask the specialist vet about dexamethisone injections. They are administered subq (under the skin), and your vet can show you how to do them at home. When my Spencer was failing from what we believe was lymphoma, I gave him .4ccs of dex daily and he bounced back to almost his former self. It gave us another full month of very good quality of life, another month to share and love and enjoy. Again, I'm so sorry. You and Mylo are in my prayers and thoughts, Nina MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: I'm so very sorry to hear the diagnosis for Mylo. (I'm glad you had an understanding, nice, educated doctor---astonishingly that is not always the caseit helps a LOT, when you and your beloved kitty are going through a traumatic time). Did the doctor talk about giving Mylo sub-cutaneous fluids (aka sub-Qs) for his dehydration? If you don't know about giving sub-Qs, it's something that is easily learned and that you would be able to do for him yourself at home to keep him hydrated and comfortable at least in that respect. (When I did it every other day for my foster Pookie, it actually bonded us more.) My housecall vet offered to show me, and sold me a bag of fluid and needles to start me off, and I imagine most vets would be willing to do the same (or have one of their staff show you). Many people on the list are able to give sub-Qs. The fluids and needles can be bought online at competitive prices. love and hugs to you and Mylo, Kerry M -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *elizabeth trent *Sent:* Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:11 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: Chris and Mylo Oh Chris...this is so hard. I am so sorry the prognosis was not better. You can let him know that you love him and comfort him. I know it is so hard to talk about - but there comes a time when the kindest gift you can give is freedom from pain and suffering. You will know if that time comes. Every day is so precious. My heart is with you. elizabeth On 1/28/07, *Chris Ramzy* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mylo went to the specialist yesterday. The doctor was very nice and seemed very educated on FeLV. He said that Mylo's kidney's are very inflamed, and that he believe's that Mylo has lymphoma and possibly liver disease. This diagnosis didn't surprise me as I know lymphoma can accompany FeLV. Mylo is dehydrated even though I give him water throughout the day. He's just not drinking enough on his own. So the vet said Mylo would have to be hospitalized, have a blood transfusion, be put on meds and have chemotherapy. He said that even if I did all those things, Mylo would most likely only have 4 to 5 months to live. I am glad I went to the appointment because I wanted a specialist's opinion even though I know how bad off Mylo is. Mylo has hardly eaten the last couple of days. His energy is still very low, and the sick meow sound that he makes once and a while is very painful to hear. Mylo's quality of life has deteriorated within the last month and I don't want to put him through any more stress than he's already gone through. I tried my best to find a way to help him get better but I have to accept that there is nothing more I can do to help him become healthy again. That is a difficult thing. _ Your Space. Your Friends. Your Stories. Share your world with Windows Live Spaces. http://discoverspaces.live.com/?loc=en-CA
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I feel your pain..We have an appointment this afternoon for Toby. I do not think he will be coming home. He hasn't taken food since Saturday..Has not pottied in the litter box. This is the 3rd crash he has had in a month. Very lethargic and his tummy is having spasms. At least they will be out of misery.. - Original Message - From: Chris Ramzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 3:24 PM Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Mylo has not been eating the last couple of days. He is very lethargic. He is very sick beyond recovery. I have made an appointment for tomorrow to have Mylo put down. He is not happy and it hurts me to see him like that. I have taken tomorrow off work to spend the day with him and then go to the appt. at 5:30. I've struggled with this decision back and forth but I believe this is the best thing for Mylo. :( From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:04:00 -0800 Chris, I too am so sorry to hear the news about Mylo. It's the hardest decision we have to make when we think their suffering warrants it. If we believe that their suffering outweighs any pleasure they have left, when we are unselfish enough to consider their quality of life over our desperately wanting them to stay, when we have lost hope of them being able to recover, then it is an unselfish gift of love to help them cross. If you're not quite there yet, (you didn't make it clear in your post), please ask the specialist vet about dexamethisone injections. They are administered subq (under the skin), and your vet can show you how to do them at home. When my Spencer was failing from what we believe was lymphoma, I gave him .4ccs of dex daily and he bounced back to almost his former self. It gave us another full month of very good quality of life, another month to share and love and enjoy. Again, I'm so sorry. You and Mylo are in my prayers and thoughts, Nina MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: I'm so very sorry to hear the diagnosis for Mylo. (I'm glad you had an understanding, nice, educated doctor---astonishingly that is not always the caseit helps a LOT, when you and your beloved kitty are going through a traumatic time). Did the doctor talk about giving Mylo sub-cutaneous fluids (aka sub-Qs) for his dehydration? If you don't know about giving sub-Qs, it's something that is easily learned and that you would be able to do for him yourself at home to keep him hydrated and comfortable at least in that respect. (When I did it every other day for my foster Pookie, it actually bonded us more.) My housecall vet offered to show me, and sold me a bag of fluid and needles to start me off, and I imagine most vets would be willing to do the same (or have one of their staff show you). Many people on the list are able to give sub-Qs. The fluids and needles can be bought online at competitive prices. love and hugs to you and Mylo, Kerry M -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *elizabeth trent *Sent:* Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:11 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: Chris and Mylo Oh Chris...this is so hard. I am so sorry the prognosis was not better. You can let him know that you love him and comfort him. I know it is so hard to talk about - but there comes a time when the kindest gift you can give is freedom from pain and suffering. You will know if that time comes. Every day is so precious. My heart is with you. elizabeth On 1/28/07, *Chris Ramzy* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mylo went to the specialist yesterday. The doctor was very nice and seemed very educated on FeLV. He said that Mylo's kidney's are very inflamed, and that he believe's that Mylo has lymphoma and possibly liver disease. This diagnosis didn't surprise me as I know lymphoma can accompany FeLV. Mylo is dehydrated even though I give him water throughout the day. He's just not drinking enough on his own. So the vet said Mylo would have to be hospitalized, have a blood transfusion, be put on meds and have chemotherapy. He said that even if I did all those things, Mylo would most likely only have 4 to 5 months to live. I am glad I went to the appointment because I wanted a specialist's opinion even though I know how bad off Mylo is. Mylo has hardly eaten the last couple of days. His energy is still very low, and the sick meow sound that he makes once and a while is very painful to hear. Mylo's quality of life has deteriorated within the last month and I don't want to put him through any more stress than he's already gone through. I tried my best to find a way to help him get better but I have to accept that there is nothing
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My heart is with you. elizabeth On 1/29/07, Chris Ramzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mylo has not been eating the last couple of days. He is very lethargic. He is very sick beyond recovery. I have made an appointment for tomorrow to have Mylo put down. He is not happy and it hurts me to see him like that. I have taken tomorrow off work to spend the day with him and then go to the appt. at 5:30. I've struggled with this decision back and forth but I believe this is the best thing for Mylo. :( From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:04:00 -0800 Chris, I too am so sorry to hear the news about Mylo. It's the hardest decision we have to make when we think their suffering warrants it. If we believe that their suffering outweighs any pleasure they have left, when we are unselfish enough to consider their quality of life over our desperately wanting them to stay, when we have lost hope of them being able to recover, then it is an unselfish gift of love to help them cross. If you're not quite there yet, (you didn't make it clear in your post), please ask the specialist vet about dexamethisone injections. They are administered subq (under the skin), and your vet can show you how to do them at home. When my Spencer was failing from what we believe was lymphoma, I gave him .4ccs of dex daily and he bounced back to almost his former self. It gave us another full month of very good quality of life, another month to share and love and enjoy. Again, I'm so sorry. You and Mylo are in my prayers and thoughts, Nina MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: I'm so very sorry to hear the diagnosis for Mylo. (I'm glad you had an understanding, nice, educated doctor---astonishingly that is not always the caseit helps a LOT, when you and your beloved kitty are going through a traumatic time). Did the doctor talk about giving Mylo sub-cutaneous fluids (aka sub-Qs) for his dehydration? If you don't know about giving sub-Qs, it's something that is easily learned and that you would be able to do for him yourself at home to keep him hydrated and comfortable at least in that respect. (When I did it every other day for my foster Pookie, it actually bonded us more.) My housecall vet offered to show me, and sold me a bag of fluid and needles to start me off, and I imagine most vets would be willing to do the same (or have one of their staff show you). Many people on the list are able to give sub-Qs. The fluids and needles can be bought online at competitive prices. love and hugs to you and Mylo, Kerry M -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *elizabeth trent *Sent:* Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:11 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: Chris and Mylo Oh Chris...this is so hard. I am so sorry the prognosis was not better. You can let him know that you love him and comfort him. I know it is so hard to talk about - but there comes a time when the kindest gift you can give is freedom from pain and suffering. You will know if that time comes. Every day is so precious. My heart is with you. elizabeth On 1/28/07, *Chris Ramzy* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mylo went to the specialist yesterday. The doctor was very nice and seemed very educated on FeLV. He said that Mylo's kidney's are very inflamed, and that he believe's that Mylo has lymphoma and possibly liver disease. This diagnosis didn't surprise me as I know lymphoma can accompany FeLV. Mylo is dehydrated even though I give him water throughout the day. He's just not drinking enough on his own. So the vet said Mylo would have to be hospitalized, have a blood transfusion, be put on meds and have chemotherapy. He said that even if I did all those things, Mylo would most likely only have 4 to 5 months to live. I am glad I went to the appointment because I wanted a specialist's opinion even though I know how bad off Mylo is. Mylo has hardly eaten the last couple of days. His energy is still very low, and the sick meow sound that he makes once and a while is very painful to hear. Mylo's quality of life has deteriorated within the last month and I don't want to put him through any more stress than he's already gone through. I tried my best to find a way to help him get better but I have to accept that there is nothing more I can do to help him become healthy again. That is a difficult thing. _ Your Space. Your Friends. Your Stories. Share your world with Windows Live Spaces. http://discoverspaces.live.com/?loc=en-CA
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Anna - I am so sorry. elizabeth On 1/29/07, Anna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I feel your pain..We have an appointment this afternoon for Toby. I do not think he will be coming home. He hasn't taken food since Saturday..Has not pottied in the litter box. This is the 3rd crash he has had in a month. Very lethargic and his tummy is having spasms. At least they will be out of misery.. - Original Message - From: Chris Ramzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 3:24 PM Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Mylo has not been eating the last couple of days. He is very lethargic. He is very sick beyond recovery. I have made an appointment for tomorrow to have Mylo put down. He is not happy and it hurts me to see him like that. I have taken tomorrow off work to spend the day with him and then go to the appt. at 5:30. I've struggled with this decision back and forth but I believe this is the best thing for Mylo. :( From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:04:00 -0800 Chris, I too am so sorry to hear the news about Mylo. It's the hardest decision we have to make when we think their suffering warrants it. If we believe that their suffering outweighs any pleasure they have left, when we are unselfish enough to consider their quality of life over our desperately wanting them to stay, when we have lost hope of them being able to recover, then it is an unselfish gift of love to help them cross. If you're not quite there yet, (you didn't make it clear in your post), please ask the specialist vet about dexamethisone injections. They are administered subq (under the skin), and your vet can show you how to do them at home. When my Spencer was failing from what we believe was lymphoma, I gave him .4ccs of dex daily and he bounced back to almost his former self. It gave us another full month of very good quality of life, another month to share and love and enjoy. Again, I'm so sorry. You and Mylo are in my prayers and thoughts, Nina MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: I'm so very sorry to hear the diagnosis for Mylo. (I'm glad you had an understanding, nice, educated doctor---astonishingly that is not always the caseit helps a LOT, when you and your beloved kitty are going through a traumatic time). Did the doctor talk about giving Mylo sub-cutaneous fluids (aka sub-Qs) for his dehydration? If you don't know about giving sub-Qs, it's something that is easily learned and that you would be able to do for him yourself at home to keep him hydrated and comfortable at least in that respect. (When I did it every other day for my foster Pookie, it actually bonded us more.) My housecall vet offered to show me, and sold me a bag of fluid and needles to start me off, and I imagine most vets would be willing to do the same (or have one of their staff show you). Many people on the list are able to give sub-Qs. The fluids and needles can be bought online at competitive prices. love and hugs to you and Mylo, Kerry M -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *elizabeth trent *Sent:* Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:11 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: Chris and Mylo Oh Chris...this is so hard. I am so sorry the prognosis was not better. You can let him know that you love him and comfort him. I know it is so hard to talk about - but there comes a time when the kindest gift you can give is freedom from pain and suffering. You will know if that time comes. Every day is so precious. My heart is with you. elizabeth On 1/28/07, *Chris Ramzy* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mylo went to the specialist yesterday. The doctor was very nice and seemed very educated on FeLV. He said that Mylo's kidney's are very inflamed, and that he believe's that Mylo has lymphoma and possibly liver disease. This diagnosis didn't surprise me as I know lymphoma can accompany FeLV. Mylo is dehydrated even though I give him water throughout the day. He's just not drinking enough on his own. So the vet said Mylo would have to be hospitalized, have a blood transfusion, be put on meds and have chemotherapy. He said that even if I did all those things, Mylo would most likely only have 4 to 5 months to live. I am glad I went to the appointment because I wanted a specialist's opinion even though I know how bad off Mylo is. Mylo has hardly eaten the last couple of days. His energy is still very low, and the sick meow sound that he makes once and a while is very painful to hear. Mylo's quality of life has deteriorated within the last month and I don't want to put him through any more stress than he's already gone through. I tried my best to find a way to help him
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You can do HOME fluids, it's easy! Here are some links with pictures (your vet can give you all the needed supplies): http://www.felinecrf.com/managh.htm http://www.felinecrf.org/giving_sub-qs_giving_set.htm http://www.vetmed.wsu.edu/clientED/cat_fluids.asp http://www.fabcats.org/sq_fluid.html Some cats are not really cooperative, here are two options if you don't have a helper to hold the cat: http://www.felinecrf.org/giving_sub-qs_syringe.htm#clothes_peg_trick http://www.klaw-kontrol.com/ (and if you have a biter, you can get cat muzzles here: http://www.animal-care.com/product_list.cfm?sub2a=78prod=1 ) Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
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Peace to both Mylo and you Chris, I will be sending peaceful thoughts of passage and happiness to Mylo! Phaewryn You are aware that you can assist/force feed, right, or even have a feeding tube inserted? And that a combination Dex/Depo injection has given cats JUST as sick as Milo is now several happy and comfortable week to months more time, right? http://www.assistfeed.com/FelineAnorexia.htm http://ucat.us/DDlymphomacocktail.html
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Yes the doctor talked about hydrating Mylo but would not help all the other ailments. Sadly, Mylo is too far gone at this point. I've gone over every angle on how I can help Mylo become healthy. Looking at him is difficult as I keep thinking that tomorrow at this time he will not be beside me. From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Chris and Mylo Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:02:43 -0600 I'm so very sorry to hear the diagnosis for Mylo. (I'm glad you had an understanding, nice, educated doctor---astonishingly that is not always the caseit helps a LOT, when you and your beloved kitty are going through a traumatic time). Did the doctor talk about giving Mylo sub-cutaneous fluids (aka sub-Qs) for his dehydration? If you don't know about giving sub-Qs, it's something that is easily learned and that you would be able to do for him yourself at home to keep him hydrated and comfortable at least in that respect. (When I did it every other day for my foster Pookie, it actually bonded us more.) My housecall vet offered to show me, and sold me a bag of fluid and needles to start me off, and I imagine most vets would be willing to do the same (or have one of their staff show you). Many people on the list are able to give sub-Qs. The fluids and needles can be bought online at competitive prices. love and hugs to you and Mylo, Kerry M -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Oh Chris...this is so hard. I am so sorry the prognosis was not better. You can let him know that you love him and comfort him. I know it is so hard to talk about - but there comes a time when the kindest gift you can give is freedom from pain and suffering. You will know if that time comes. Every day is so precious. My heart is with you. elizabeth On 1/28/07, Chris Ramzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mylo went to the specialist yesterday. The doctor was very nice and seemed very educated on FeLV. He said that Mylo's kidney's are very inflamed, and that he believe's that Mylo has lymphoma and possibly liver disease. This diagnosis didn't surprise me as I know lymphoma can accompany FeLV. Mylo is dehydrated even though I give him water throughout the day. He's just not drinking enough on his own. So the vet said Mylo would have to be hospitalized, have a blood transfusion, be put on meds and have chemotherapy. He said that even if I did all those things, Mylo would most likely only have 4 to 5 months to live. I am glad I went to the appointment because I wanted a specialist's opinion even though I know how bad off Mylo is. Mylo has hardly eaten the last couple of days. His energy is still very low, and the sick meow sound that he makes once and a while is very painful to hear. Mylo's quality of life has deteriorated within the last month and I don't want to put him through any more stress than he's already gone through. I tried my best to find a way to help him get better but I have to accept that there is nothing more I can do to help him become healthy again. That is a difficult thing. From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Chris and Mylo Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 22:57:39 -0800 Hi Chris, I've been thinking about you guys. What happened at the Internist today? I hope no news is good news. Please update us when you can. Nina Chris Ramzy wrote: Thank you Elizabeth. Will give an update after the appointment on Saturday. I can't wait and I hope to get some help for Mylo. _ Don't waste time standing in line-try shopping online. Visit Sympatico / MSN Shopping today! http://shopping.sympatico.msn.ca IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted
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Thank you Wendy for your thoughts much appreciated From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Chris and Mylo Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:23:28 -0800 (PST) Chris, I am so sorry about what you and Mylo are going through. I know that sick feeling of realizing that all hope is lost and there's nothing you can do anymore but just let go of your furbaby that you love so deeply. My heart aches for you and Mylo. Mylo is SO lucky to have to love him. And vice versa. Enjoy whatever time you have left with him. Make sure you have pictures of him. Prayers going out for both of you for peace and strength. :) Wendy --- Chris Ramzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mylo went to the specialist yesterday. The doctor was very nice and seemed very educated on FeLV. He said that Mylo's kidney's are very inflamed, and that he believe's that Mylo has lymphoma and possibly liver disease. This diagnosis didn't surprise me as I know lymphoma can accompany FeLV. Mylo is dehydrated even though I give him water throughout the day. He's just not drinking enough on his own. So the vet said Mylo would have to be hospitalized, have a blood transfusion, be put on meds and have chemotherapy. He said that even if I did all those things, Mylo would most likely only have 4 to 5 months to live. I am glad I went to the appointment because I wanted a specialist's opinion even though I know how bad off Mylo is. Mylo has hardly eaten the last couple of days. His energy is still very low, and the sick meow sound that he makes once and a while is very painful to hear. Mylo's quality of life has deteriorated within the last month and I don't want to put him through any more stress than he's already gone through. I tried my best to find a way to help him get better but I have to accept that there is nothing more I can do to help him become healthy again. That is a difficult thing. From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Chris and Mylo Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 22:57:39 -0800 Hi Chris, I've been thinking about you guys. What happened at the Internist today? I hope no news is good news. Please update us when you can. Nina Chris Ramzy wrote: Thank you Elizabeth. Will give an update after the appointment on Saturday. I can't wait and I hope to get some help for Mylo. _ Dont waste time standing in linetry shopping online. Visit Sympatico / MSN Shopping today! http://shopping.sympatico.msn.ca 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news _ Free Alerts : Be smart - let your information find you ! http://alerts.live.com/Alerts/Default.aspx
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Hi Anna, I'm so sorry to hear about Toby. I just keep saying to myself that I don't want Mylo to suffer and to live the way he has been living in the past month or so. Every time I look at him my heart sinks. He rests his little head on his paws and he looks up at me and tries not to move any other part of his body. What happened at the vet today? From: Anna [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:31:57 -0700 I feel your pain..We have an appointment this afternoon for Toby. I do not think he will be coming home. He hasn't taken food since Saturday..Has not pottied in the litter box. This is the 3rd crash he has had in a month. Very lethargic and his tummy is having spasms. At least they will be out of misery.. - Original Message - From: Chris Ramzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 3:24 PM Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Mylo has not been eating the last couple of days. He is very lethargic. He is very sick beyond recovery. I have made an appointment for tomorrow to have Mylo put down. He is not happy and it hurts me to see him like that. I have taken tomorrow off work to spend the day with him and then go to the appt. at 5:30. I've struggled with this decision back and forth but I believe this is the best thing for Mylo. :( From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:04:00 -0800 Chris, I too am so sorry to hear the news about Mylo. It's the hardest decision we have to make when we think their suffering warrants it. If we believe that their suffering outweighs any pleasure they have left, when we are unselfish enough to consider their quality of life over our desperately wanting them to stay, when we have lost hope of them being able to recover, then it is an unselfish gift of love to help them cross. If you're not quite there yet, (you didn't make it clear in your post), please ask the specialist vet about dexamethisone injections. They are administered subq (under the skin), and your vet can show you how to do them at home. When my Spencer was failing from what we believe was lymphoma, I gave him .4ccs of dex daily and he bounced back to almost his former self. It gave us another full month of very good quality of life, another month to share and love and enjoy. Again, I'm so sorry. You and Mylo are in my prayers and thoughts, Nina MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: I'm so very sorry to hear the diagnosis for Mylo. (I'm glad you had an understanding, nice, educated doctor---astonishingly that is not always the caseit helps a LOT, when you and your beloved kitty are going through a traumatic time). Did the doctor talk about giving Mylo sub-cutaneous fluids (aka sub-Qs) for his dehydration? If you don't know about giving sub-Qs, it's something that is easily learned and that you would be able to do for him yourself at home to keep him hydrated and comfortable at least in that respect. (When I did it every other day for my foster Pookie, it actually bonded us more.) My housecall vet offered to show me, and sold me a bag of fluid and needles to start me off, and I imagine most vets would be willing to do the same (or have one of their staff show you). Many people on the list are able to give sub-Qs. The fluids and needles can be bought online at competitive prices. love and hugs to you and Mylo, Kerry M -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *elizabeth trent *Sent:* Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:11 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: Chris and Mylo Oh Chris...this is so hard. I am so sorry the prognosis was not better. You can let him know that you love him and comfort him. I know it is so hard to talk about - but there comes a time when the kindest gift you can give is freedom from pain and suffering. You will know if that time comes. Every day is so precious. My heart is with you. elizabeth On 1/28/07, *Chris Ramzy* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mylo went to the specialist yesterday. The doctor was very nice and seemed very educated on FeLV. He said that Mylo's kidney's are very inflamed, and that he believe's that Mylo has lymphoma and possibly liver disease. This diagnosis didn't surprise me as I know lymphoma can accompany FeLV. Mylo is dehydrated even though I give him water throughout the day. He's just not drinking enough on his own. So the vet said Mylo would have to be hospitalized, have a blood transfusion, be put on meds and have chemotherapy. He said that even if I did all those things, Mylo would most likely only have 4 to 5 months to live. I am glad I went to the appointment
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Thank you. From: elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:50:24 -0600 My heart is with you. elizabeth On 1/29/07, Chris Ramzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mylo has not been eating the last couple of days. He is very lethargic. He is very sick beyond recovery. I have made an appointment for tomorrow to have Mylo put down. He is not happy and it hurts me to see him like that. I have taken tomorrow off work to spend the day with him and then go to the appt. at 5:30. I've struggled with this decision back and forth but I believe this is the best thing for Mylo. :( From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:04:00 -0800 Chris, I too am so sorry to hear the news about Mylo. It's the hardest decision we have to make when we think their suffering warrants it. If we believe that their suffering outweighs any pleasure they have left, when we are unselfish enough to consider their quality of life over our desperately wanting them to stay, when we have lost hope of them being able to recover, then it is an unselfish gift of love to help them cross. If you're not quite there yet, (you didn't make it clear in your post), please ask the specialist vet about dexamethisone injections. They are administered subq (under the skin), and your vet can show you how to do them at home. When my Spencer was failing from what we believe was lymphoma, I gave him .4ccs of dex daily and he bounced back to almost his former self. It gave us another full month of very good quality of life, another month to share and love and enjoy. Again, I'm so sorry. You and Mylo are in my prayers and thoughts, Nina MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: I'm so very sorry to hear the diagnosis for Mylo. (I'm glad you had an understanding, nice, educated doctor---astonishingly that is not always the caseit helps a LOT, when you and your beloved kitty are going through a traumatic time). Did the doctor talk about giving Mylo sub-cutaneous fluids (aka sub-Qs) for his dehydration? If you don't know about giving sub-Qs, it's something that is easily learned and that you would be able to do for him yourself at home to keep him hydrated and comfortable at least in that respect. (When I did it every other day for my foster Pookie, it actually bonded us more.) My housecall vet offered to show me, and sold me a bag of fluid and needles to start me off, and I imagine most vets would be willing to do the same (or have one of their staff show you). Many people on the list are able to give sub-Qs. The fluids and needles can be bought online at competitive prices. love and hugs to you and Mylo, Kerry M -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *elizabeth trent *Sent:* Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:11 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: Chris and Mylo Oh Chris...this is so hard. I am so sorry the prognosis was not better. You can let him know that you love him and comfort him. I know it is so hard to talk about - but there comes a time when the kindest gift you can give is freedom from pain and suffering. You will know if that time comes. Every day is so precious. My heart is with you. elizabeth On 1/28/07, *Chris Ramzy* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mylo went to the specialist yesterday. The doctor was very nice and seemed very educated on FeLV. He said that Mylo's kidney's are very inflamed, and that he believe's that Mylo has lymphoma and possibly liver disease. This diagnosis didn't surprise me as I know lymphoma can accompany FeLV. Mylo is dehydrated even though I give him water throughout the day. He's just not drinking enough on his own. So the vet said Mylo would have to be hospitalized, have a blood transfusion, be put on meds and have chemotherapy. He said that even if I did all those things, Mylo would most likely only have 4 to 5 months to live. I am glad I went to the appointment because I wanted a specialist's opinion even though I know how bad off Mylo is. Mylo has hardly eaten the last couple of days. His energy is still very low, and the sick meow sound that he makes once and a while is very painful to hear. Mylo's quality of life has deteriorated within the last month and I don't want to put him through any more stress than he's already gone through. I tried my best to find a way to help him get better but I have to accept that there is nothing more I can do to help him become healthy again. That is a difficult thing. _ Your Space. Your Friends. Your Stories. Share your world with Windows
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Thanks for your thoughts. Yes, I've heard of assisted feeding and injections etc. Mylo needs so much more than that...chemo, blood transfusion, meds, ultrasounds, etc. Yet, he will probably only live 4 more months if successful. I feel that would be putting him through more stress. He hangs on to me whenever we go to the vet. To hospitalize him again and put him back on meds (he hated that), would break my heart. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Chris and Mylo Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:22:54 -0500 Peace to both Mylo and you Chris, I will be sending peaceful thoughts of passage and happiness to Mylo! Phaewryn You are aware that you can assist/force feed, right, or even have a feeding tube inserted? And that a combination Dex/Depo injection has given cats JUST as sick as Milo is now several happy and comfortable week to months more time, right? http://www.assistfeed.com/FelineAnorexia.htm http://ucat.us/DDlymphomacocktail.html _ Dont waste time standing in linetry shopping online. Visit Sympatico / MSN Shopping today! http://shopping.sympatico.msn.ca
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I understand. I chose to euthanise my Moogie when she was really sick too... I didn't opt for the transfusions either. Now, I always wonder.. what if. I just wish I would have joined this group a little sooner than I did. I think that's how a lot of us here feel. Phaewryn
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Chris, I'm sorry that Mylo is so sick. My heart goes out to both of you as you make these difficult choices. Diane R.
RE: Chris and Mylo
Mylo went to the specialist yesterday. The doctor was very nice and seemed very educated on FeLV. He said that Mylo's kidney's are very inflamed, and that he believe's that Mylo has lymphoma and possibly liver disease. This diagnosis didn't surprise me as I know lymphoma can accompany FeLV. Mylo is dehydrated even though I give him water throughout the day. He's just not drinking enough on his own. So the vet said Mylo would have to be hospitalized, have a blood transfusion, be put on meds and have chemotherapy. He said that even if I did all those things, Mylo would most likely only have 4 to 5 months to live. I am glad I went to the appointment because I wanted a specialist's opinion even though I know how bad off Mylo is. Mylo has hardly eaten the last couple of days. His energy is still very low, and the sick meow sound that he makes once and a while is very painful to hear. Mylo's quality of life has deteriorated within the last month and I don't want to put him through any more stress than he's already gone through. I tried my best to find a way to help him get better but I have to accept that there is nothing more I can do to help him become healthy again. That is a difficult thing. From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Chris and Mylo Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 22:57:39 -0800 Hi Chris, I've been thinking about you guys. What happened at the Internist today? I hope no news is good news. Please update us when you can. Nina Chris Ramzy wrote: Thank you Elizabeth. Will give an update after the appointment on Saturday. I can't wait and I hope to get some help for Mylo. _ Dont waste time standing in linetry shopping online. Visit Sympatico / MSN Shopping today! http://shopping.sympatico.msn.ca
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Oh Chris...this is so hard. I am so sorry the prognosis was not better. You can let him know that you love him and comfort him. I know it is so hard to talk about - but there comes a time when the kindest gift you can give is freedom from pain and suffering. You will know if that time comes. Every day is so precious. My heart is with you. elizabeth On 1/28/07, Chris Ramzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mylo went to the specialist yesterday. The doctor was very nice and seemed very educated on FeLV. He said that Mylo's kidney's are very inflamed, and that he believe's that Mylo has lymphoma and possibly liver disease. This diagnosis didn't surprise me as I know lymphoma can accompany FeLV. Mylo is dehydrated even though I give him water throughout the day. He's just not drinking enough on his own. So the vet said Mylo would have to be hospitalized, have a blood transfusion, be put on meds and have chemotherapy. He said that even if I did all those things, Mylo would most likely only have 4 to 5 months to live. I am glad I went to the appointment because I wanted a specialist's opinion even though I know how bad off Mylo is. Mylo has hardly eaten the last couple of days. His energy is still very low, and the sick meow sound that he makes once and a while is very painful to hear. Mylo's quality of life has deteriorated within the last month and I don't want to put him through any more stress than he's already gone through. I tried my best to find a way to help him get better but I have to accept that there is nothing more I can do to help him become healthy again. That is a difficult thing. From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Chris and Mylo Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 22:57:39 -0800 Hi Chris, I've been thinking about you guys. What happened at the Internist today? I hope no news is good news. Please update us when you can. Nina Chris Ramzy wrote: Thank you Elizabeth. Will give an update after the appointment on Saturday. I can't wait and I hope to get some help for Mylo. _ Don't waste time standing in line—try shopping online. Visit Sympatico / MSN Shopping today! http://shopping.sympatico.msn.ca
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At 08:01 PM 1/28/2007, you wrote: I am so very sorry it was not what you had hoped for. It is very hard. Do you give fluids at home. Even if so many things are not going well, those extra fluids just help them feel so very much better. It is not stressful for them to get them at home,,and really helps. I do not know if he is already on steroids, Those also are helpful, in addition to slowing the lymphoma, the improve the feeling of well being and increase the appetite , Please keep us posted,,,we are here with you , Kelly Mylo went to the specialist yesterday. The doctor was very nice and seemed very educated on FeLV. He said that Mylo's kidney's are very inflamed, and that he believe's that Mylo has lymphoma and possibly liver disease. This diagnosis didn't surprise me as I know lymphoma can accompany FeLV. Mylo is dehydrated even though I give him water throughout the day. He's just not drinking enough on his own. So the vet said Mylo would have to be hospitalized, have a blood transfusion, be put on meds and have chemotherapy. He said that even if I did all those things, Mylo would most likely only have 4 to 5 months to live. I am glad I went to the appointment because I wanted a specialist's opinion even though I know how bad off Mylo is. Mylo has hardly eaten the last couple of days. His energy is still very low, and the sick meow sound that he makes once and a while is very painful to hear. Mylo's quality of life has deteriorated within the last month and I don't want to put him through any more stress than he's already gone through. I tried my best to find a way to help him get better but I have to accept that there is nothing more I can do to help him become healthy again. That is a difficult thing. From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Chris and Mylo Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 22:57:39 -0800 Hi Chris, I've been thinking about you guys. What happened at the Internist today? I hope no news is good news. Please update us when you can. Nina Chris Ramzy wrote: Thank you Elizabeth. Will give an update after the appointment on Saturday. I can't wait and I hope to get some help for Mylo. _ Dont waste time standing in linetry shopping online. Visit Sympatico / MSN Shopping today! http://shopping.sympatico.msn.ca -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/655 - Release Date: 1/28/2007
Chris and Mylo
Hi Chris, I've been thinking about you guys. What happened at the Internist today? I hope no news is good news. Please update us when you can. Nina Chris Ramzy wrote: Thank you Elizabeth. Will give an update after the appointment on Saturday. I can't wait and I hope to get some help for Mylo.
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Hi Nina, this is my first time using this site so I hope I'm doing this right. I replied to the first message you sent me but it goes to the felvtalk@felineleukemia.org email. I hope that's correct...I guess it automatically goes to your email as well? From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: FeLV - Chris and Mylo Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 13:19:40 -0800 I sent this earlier this morning, but haven't seen it show up on list yet. Forgive me if it duplicates... Hi Chris, I'm so sorry to hear about your kitten being so sick, we all understand how devastating a pos test result can be and how hard it is to watch their health deteriorate. First of all felv effects the immune system making it harder for the kitties to fight off infection, it also makes them more susceptible to things like cancer. It doesn't however mean that you should give up. It isn't the felv itself making him sick. Many, many of our cats, when treated for the underlying illness effecting them, have gotten better. They may not live as long a life as cats not infected, but they are certainly capable of living a quality life. You need to find out what is causing the diarrhea and anemia and start treating for it immediately. Did your vet give Mylo subq fluids to help with the dehydration? Is he on antibiotics? If your vet is unwilling, (or unable) to help you, you need to find one that will. Ask your regular vet for a referral to a board certified internist. They are much more familiar with the diseases that effect cats in general and better able to diagnose and treat. There are two types of interferon. The one prescribed by most vets is the human interferon, Interferon A. This is given orally and your vet should be able to get it for you easily. The other Interferon, Interferon Omega, is a feline interferon that is injectable. Unfortunately, it hasn't been approved for vet use in the US and you have to get a special dispensation from the FDA for it. IR is a type of bacteria that when introduced to the the system, (it's usual to administer it IV, but some on the list have given it subq), acts as a catalyst to boost the immune system into working better. It is available without a prescription. There's a ton of discussions about this stuff in the archives. Mylo does sound like he's in bad shape, but kitties have bounced back from being very sick when the right treatment is given. You need to find out what is wrong in order to treat him. I'm so glad you were not willing to accept your vet's assessment without looking for a second opinion. Sometimes just getting him on the right antibiotic can turn things around. In the meantime, he has to eat and you have to keep him hydrated. Have you ever assist fed a cat before? I know others will jump in with suggestions. Write as often as you like, we are here to support you and truly understand. Nina _ http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionid=b2456790-90e6-4d28-9219-5d7207d94d45mkt=en-ca
