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Stan I am very sorry to hear about Jersey, I am sure Jersey was greatful for all you did for him. Carla
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I am so sorry Stany. I know we all hoped he would pull through. I hope you will consider another cat when you have healed. You sound like a good cat dad. Rest easy, dear Jersey. Tracy - Original Message - From: stany petrov To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: 6/1/2005 4:49:36 PM Subject: Jersey. I am very sorry to tell you that Jersey died today- 11am. He was very sick the last two days. I was going to take him today to the vet clinic Bonnie reccomended me but it was late... I think the kidney problems and not the leukimia is the cause of his death. He was crying like a baby when I touched him. He didn't want any food and just a little bit water. He was also very anemic. I found the strength to bury him in a very nice place in my area. So, please put him in the Candle Light Service (May 2003- June 1-2005) I wish to thank you again for all advices and help. I am going to read the letters in this forum because I might find a way to help you or find out something I have to know for my future pets. I strongly believe that a personal expericene might be much more valuable than pure theoretical knowledge. That is why I like this forum and for 10 days I lerant many many new things for the cats. I don't believe in the death and I think the place pets are going after it is still a nice one. On the other hand,though I believe that we have to fight for theirlife till the semi- end. (I know Belinda will agree with me 100%). And not the vets but God knows how longour pets will live. I really wish that XXI century will bring the medication against cancer. It will come from herbs maybe...as a famous fortuntellerVanga used to say. By the way, I have some Interferon left, some predinsoline and glavamox left. I will keep the medications and if anybody needs them, you are welcome to write me. If anybody is passing by Toledo, OH, can pick them. See you later, StanFrom: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: JerseyDate: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:40:48 -0700Hi Stan, Haven't seen any posts recently and just wanted to check in on Jersey and you, how are you both doing?--BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com(affordable hosting web design)http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites)http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Stan, I'm very sorry to hear Jersey has passed, you did your best and Jersey knew that. Hopefully he will let you know he is OK on the other side, I too believe in an after life here existence. Prayers for comfort for you and a peaceful swift journey for Jersey as he starts this new adventure. Take care ... -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Title: Message Dear Stan I am so very sorry. Although I haven't been posting, because you got so much excellent advice from members much more knowledgeable than me, I have been following the story of your and Jersey's struggle. I am glad he knew he had such a loving, caring friend looking out for him right to the end. with much sympathy take care, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of stany petrovSent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 3:50 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Jersey. I am very sorry to tell you that Jersey died today- 11am. He was very sick the last two days. I was going to take him today to the vet clinic Bonnie reccomended me but it was late... I think the kidney problems and not the leukimia is the cause of his death. He was crying like a baby when I touched him. He didn't want any food and just a little bit water. He was also very anemic. I found the strength to bury him in a very nice place in my area. So, please put him in the Candle Light Service (May 2003- June 1-2005) I wish to thank you again for all advices and help. I am going to read the letters in this forum because I might find a way to help you or find out something I have to know for my future pets. I strongly believe that a personal expericene might be much more valuable than pure theoretical knowledge. That is why I like this forum and for 10 days I lerant many many new things for the cats. I don't believe in the death and I think the place pets are going after it is still a nice one. On the other hand,though I believe that we have to fight for theirlife till the semi- end. (I know Belinda will agree with me 100%). And not the vets but God knows how longour pets will live. I really wish that XXI century will bring the medication against cancer. It will come from herbs maybe...as a famous fortuntellerVanga used to say. By the way, I have some Interferon left, some predinsoline and glavamox left. I will keep the medications and if anybody needs them, you are welcome to write me. If anybody is passing by Toledo, OH, can pick them. See you later, StanFrom: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: JerseyDate: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:40:48 -0700Hi Stan, Haven't seen any posts recently and just wanted to check in on Jersey and you, how are you both doing?--BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com(affordable hosting web design)http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites)http://bmk.bemikitties.comThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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I have added him to the service. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Title: Message Hi, Stan, I am so very sorry to hear about Jersey Though I felt much sorrow in your message, I also felt lots of brightness in your message, and I agree with what you said about - On the other hand,though I believe that we have to fight for theirlife till the semi- end. (I know Belinda will agree with me 100%). And not the vets but God knows how longour pets will live. I believe that the fate can be changed with our love and dedications not matter what path is there for them Thank you very much for taking good care of Jersey he is now free of pain his soul is probably happily right besides you --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 2:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Jersey. Dear Stan I am so very sorry. Although I haven't been posting, because you got so much excellent advice from members much more knowledgeable than me, I have been following the story of your and Jersey's struggle. I am glad he knew he had such a loving, caring friend looking out for him right to the end. with much sympathy take care, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of stany petrov Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 3:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Jersey. I am very sorry to tell you that Jersey died today- 11am. He was very sick the last two days. I was going to take him today to the vet clinic Bonnie reccomended me but it was late... I think the kidney problems and not the leukimia is the cause of his death. He was crying like a baby when I touched him. He didn't want any food and just a little bit water. He was also very anemic. I found the strength to bury him in a very nice place in my area. So, please put him in the Candle Light Service (May 2003- June 1-2005) I wish to thank you again for all advices and help. I am going to read the letters in this forum because I might find a way to help you or find out something I have to know for my future pets. I strongly believe that a personal expericene might be much more valuable than pure theoretical knowledge. That is why I like this forum and for 10 days I lerant many many new things for the cats. I don't believe in the death and I think the place pets are going after it is still a nice one. On the other hand,though I believe that we have to fight for theirlife till the semi- end. (I know Belinda will agree with me 100%). And not the vets but God knows how longour pets will live. I really wish that XXI century will bring the medication against cancer. It will come from herbs maybe...as a famous fortuntellerVanga used to say. By the way, I have some Interferon left, some predinsoline and glavamox left. I will keep the medications and if anybody needs them, you are welcome to write me. If anybody is passing by Toledo, OH, can pick them. See you later, Stan From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Jersey Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:40:48 -0700 Hi Stan, Haven't seen any posts recently and just wanted to check in on Jersey and you, how are you both doing? -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com(affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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i'm sorry, stany--thank you for loving him and letting him know his life mattered. since no one can prove to me that the rainbow bridge DOESN'T exist, i choose to believe that all my furred friends are happy and healthy there! -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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I'm so sorry Stan . God bless you for loving Jersey. You now have a little kitty angel looking down on you. I know that Jersey is happy and healthy where there are others like him to run and play with. I pray that you will be happy again with another fur baby. You have a lot to give. I believe when one of our babies leave us they send another in to our lives. So be prepared. One day soon you may find another one to care for. Sheila
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Stan, I'm so sorry that you lost Jersey. You have my deepest condolences. I'm glad to hear you are considering staying on the list. When my Moogie died, I left the list for a while (like a year or so), but then I came back because the people here are so wonderful, and they listen to you and try to help with anything they can (even if it's not FELV related). This is the single most supportive group of people I have ever known in my entire life. We'd love to have you stay, but if you need time, we certainly understand that too! Take care of yourself. In Sympathy,Jenn No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.4.0 - Release Date: 6/1/2005
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I am so sorry. Oh, God, we have lost so many recently on this list. It is such a horrible thing to lose these babies. I am so sorry. Michelle
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Oh Stan, my heart goes out to you, I'm so so sorry. We all know how hard it is, how sad it is. Thank you for your kind words telling us about Jersey's passing. Thank you for your help to me in my searching for Sam, who is still lost. Sleep soft sweet Jersey. Gloria At 03:49 PM 6/1/2005, you wrote: I am very sorry to tell you that Jersey died today- 11am.
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I'm so sorry he lost his fight. Big hugs to you. Goodnight, sweet Jersey... =^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: stany petrov To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 4:49 PM Subject: Jersey. I am very sorry to tell you that Jersey died today- 11am. He was very sick the last two days. I was going to take him today to the vet clinic Bonnie reccomended me but it was late... I think the kidney problems and not the leukimia is the cause of his death. He was crying like a baby when I touched him. He didn't want any food and just a little bit water. He was also very anemic. I found the strength to bury him in a very nice place in my area. So, please put him in the Candle Light Service (May 2003- June 1-2005) I wish to thank you again for all advices and help. I am going to read the letters in this forum because I might find a way to help you or find out something I have to know for my future pets. I strongly believe that a personal expericene might be much more valuable than pure theoretical knowledge. That is why I like this forum and for 10 days I lerant many many new things for the cats. I don't believe in the death and I think the place pets are going after it is still a nice one. On the other hand,though I believe that we have to fight for theirlife till the semi- end. (I know Belinda will agree with me 100%). And not the vets but God knows how longour pets will live. I really wish that XXI century will bring the medication against cancer. It will come from herbs maybe...as a famous fortuntellerVanga used to say. By the way, I have some Interferon left, some predinsoline and glavamox left. I will keep the medications and if anybody needs them, you are welcome to write me. If anybody is passing by Toledo, OH, can pick them. See you later, StanFrom: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: JerseyDate: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:40:48 -0700Hi Stan, Haven't seen any posts recently and just wanted to check in on Jersey and you, how are you both doing?--BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4Ucom(affordable hosting web design)http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites)http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Stan, I am sorry for your loss of Jersey. You were a good daddy and he knew you loved him. Hugs, Del - Original Message - From: stany petrov To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 3:49 PM Subject: Jersey. I am very sorry to tell you that Jersey died today- 11am. He was very sick the last two days. I was going to take him today to the vet clinic Bonnie reccomended me but it was late... I think the kidney problems and not the leukimia is the cause of his death. He was crying like a baby when I touched him. He didn't want any food and just a little bit water. He was also very anemic. I found the strength to bury him in a very nice place in my area. So, please put him in the Candle Light Service (May 2003- June 1-2005) I wish to thank you again for all advices and help. I am going to read the letters in this forum because I might find a way to help you or find out something I have to know for my future pets. I strongly believe that a personal expericene might be much more valuable than pure theoretical knowledge. That is why I like this forum and for 10 days I lerant many many new things for the cats. I don't believe in the death and I think the place pets are going after it is still a nice one. On the other hand,though I believe that we have to fight for theirlife till the semi- end. (I know Belinda will agree with me 100%). And not the vets but God knows how longour pets will live. I really wish that XXI century will bring the medication against cancer. It will come from herbs maybe...as a famous fortuntellerVanga used to say. By the way, I have some Interferon left, some predinsoline and glavamox left. I will keep the medications and if anybody needs them, you are welcome to write me. If anybody is passing by Toledo, OH, can pick them. See you later, StanFrom: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: JerseyDate: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:40:48 -0700Hi Stan, Haven't seen any posts recently and just wanted to check in on Jersey and you, how are you both doing?--BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com(affordable hosting web design)http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites)http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Im so sorry to hear about Jersey---He was lucky to have you and you are lucky to have had him in your life. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of stany petrov Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 4:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Jersey. I am very sorry to tell you that Jersey died today- 11am. He was very sick the last two days. I was going to take him today to the vet clinic Bonnie reccomended me but it was late... I think the kidney problems and not the leukimia is the cause of his death. He was crying like a baby when I touched him. He didn't want any food and just a little bit water. He was also very anemic. I found the strength to bury him in a very nice place in my area. So, please put him in the Candle Light Service (May 2003- June 1-2005) I wish to thank you again for all advices and help. I am going to read the letters in this forum because I might find a way to help you or find out something I have to know for my future pets. I strongly believe that a personal expericene might be much more valuable than pure theoretical knowledge. That is why I like this forum and for 10 days I lerant many many new things for the cats. I don't believe in the death and I think the place pets are going after it is still a nice one. On the other hand,though I believe that we have to fight for theirlife till the semi- end. (I know Belinda will agree with me 100%). And not the vets but God knows how longour pets will live. I really wish that XXI century will bring the medication against cancer. It will come from herbs maybe...as a famous fortuntellerVanga used to say. By the way, I have some Interferon left, some predinsoline and glavamox left. I will keep the medications and if anybody needs them, you are welcome to write me. If anybody is passing by Toledo, OH, can pick them. See you later, Stan From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Jersey Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:40:48 -0700 Hi Stan, Haven't seen any posts recently and just wanted to check in on Jersey and you, how are you both doing? -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com(affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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You're referring to Leptospirosis, a bacterial infection not only found in dogs or cats, but also contagious to humans and most mammals, I believe. Nasty stuff. Not very common in cats, though would almost surely only be found in outdoor cats (thought to be transmitted via drinking contaminated water, or eating infected prey, such as rats). Probably worth testing for if nothing else can be found wrong in cases where there is unexplained acute kidney failure. My mom actually caught this once when camping in Texas, but she got very ill, and it was caught early (because she felt so bad she went to the hospital, where they diagnosed it right away), and a round of strong antibiotics cleared it right up. I, on the other hand, drink drainage ditch water on my hikes, and have never caught anything, go figure! I guess Vermont is a bit too cold for these things maybe (or maybe just an environmentallycleaner state)? Anyways, more info below: http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_canineleptospirosis.html(dogs) http://www.astdhpphe.org/infect/Lepto.html(people) http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dbmd/diseaseinfo/leptospirosis_g.htm(all species) http://www.havilandprinting.com/brightonanimalhospital/(dogs and cats) http://www.healthgene.com/vet/d351.asp(info on testing) Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.2.0 - Release Date: 5/27/2005
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Hi Stan, Just for my own curiousity, did you try any of the good suggestions you where given, I only ask because you never posted about any results of anything you tried? You where given some great suggestions, the liver shake, syringe feeding (if your not getting atleast a can of food a day it isn't going to do any good and Jersey will get weaker and weaker, not eating for a cat will bring on a whole slew of other deadly problems), and many suggested a new vet. I told you that Jersey's potassium was low this is a fact and this ASOLUTELY causes back end weakness, the fact that the vet your seeing didn't say anything about it ESPECIALLY after you told her Jersey is having backend weakness tells me she isn't a very good vet, and probably doesn't see any point in treating a positive cat. I'm not guessing at this I belong to several lists and many cats going through chemo have low potassium problems and EVERY SINGLE ONE'S first symptom is back end weakness. Have you asked your vet about doxycyline for the possible hemobartonella? I remember you saying you were going to try everything in your power to help Jersey so I'm just curious as to what results you got from the things you tried. I know you have tried the interferon which is very good, but it isn't going to help the backend weakness. How much food are you getting into Jersey a day? Jersey is a young cat and has a good chance of bouncing back. I'm not trying to be harsh, I'm just concerned, and emotionally involved now, so forgive me for asking these questions, but you asked for help and I'm just curious what you've tried and what the results where. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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just a thought, i give one of my cats (who is negative for leuekmia) postassium citrate to ward off any more bouts of his oxalate crystals. the other cats get MegaC plus but that's not advised for oxalate. I buy it in capsule form and fortunately this cat, Puff, loves those Pill Pockets i get at the pet store so can just hide the pill in that. the other cats' meds I just open the capsules and mix in their wet food very very thoroughly. what are some natural sources of potassium besides bananas? and would a cat even eat a banana or is it even good for them? another thought, how long has jersey been in your care? did you tell the vet his past history-outdoor cat, possible exposure to raccoons, etc? when you got him, was he able to walk/run around? or was he already slowing down? what is that disease raccoons supposedly transmit that the vets advise getting vaccinations for? if it affects dogs, does it also pertain to cats? Is this cat even getting up to use the litter box? sorry Jersey's legs are not improving. regards Barbara - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 12:34 AM Subject: Re: Jersey Hi Stan, Jersey's potassium is low, he needs some potassium, your vet should have told you that, I'm sorry but as long as your seeing this vet Jersey is in serious trouble.
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and after reading the starving cat posts, maybe getting nutra-cal into Jersey might be a good idea? - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 12:34 AM Subject: Re: Jersey Hi Stan, Jersey's potassium is low, he needs some potassium, your vet should have told you that, I'm sorry but as long as your seeing this vet Jersey is in serious trouble. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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How long has Jersey not been able to use his back legs? tBarbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just a thought, i give one of my cats (who is negative for leuekmia)postassium citrate to ward off any more bouts of his oxalate crystals. theother cats get MegaC plus but that's not advised for oxalate. I buy it incapsule form and fortunately this cat, Puff, loves those Pill Pockets i getat the pet store so can just hide the pill in that. the other cats' meds Ijust open the capsules and mix in their wet food very very thoroughly.what are some natural sources of potassium besides bananas? and would a cateven eat a banana or is it even good for them?another thought, how long has jersey been in your care? did you tell the vethis past history-outdoor cat, possible exposure to raccoons, etc? when yougot him, was he able to walk/run around? or was he already slowing down?what is that disease raccoons supposedly transmit that the vets advisegetting vaccinations for? if it affects dogs, does it also pertain to cats?Is this cat even getting up to use the litter box?sorry Jersey's legs are not improving.regardsBarbara- Original Message -From: "Belinda Sauro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <FELVTALK@FELINELEUKEMIA.ORG>Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 12:34 AMSubject: Re: Jersey Hi Stan, Jersey's potassium is low, he needs some potassium, your vet should have told you that, I'm sorry but as long as your seeing this vet Jersey is in serious trouble.
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Barbara, I have Jersey from the semi- beginning when he was a baby. I just learned him to walk outside and get home. I lived in Brooklyn for 1 and a halfyears before I moved to Ohio. Here, he was fine till late January when he started sneezing and one of his eyes got red. The temp. was high. I took him toa vet (another one) twice. He put some shots and gave him antibiotics. Jersey got better but not exactly as before. The temp. was about 102.4- 102.5 and I let him out again. He likes hiking and if I lock the cat door he is starting to meow and scratch and tear the things around him. So, that was in March. And finally in late April, early May he started going outside and stay home which is not a good indicator for him. Finally he started loosing weight and walking hard with his back legs. I will stop visiting this vet and try to feed him more but...I hardly think he will survive. His kidneys are a little bit arger than the normal and he has the symptom of the Polysyst Kidney disease- drinking lots of water and loosing weight and appetite. I am confused. He cannot move at all already (just for a week, unbelievable). Thanks again StanFrom: Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: JerseyDate: Sat, 28 May 2005 09:58:42 -0400just a thought, i give one of my cats (who is negative for leuekmia)postassium citrate to ward off any more bouts of his oxalate crystals. theother cats get MegaC plus but that's not advised for oxalate. I buy it incapsule form and fortunately this cat, Puff, loves those Pill Pockets i getat the pet store so can just hide the pill in that. the other cats' meds Ijust open the capsules and mix in their wet food very very thoroughly.what are some natural sources of potassium besides bananas? and would a cateven eat a banana or is it even good for them?another thought, how long has jersey been in your care? did you tell the vethis past history-outdoor cat, possible exposure to raccoons, etc? when yougot him, was he able to walk/run around? or was he already slowing down?what is that disease raccoons supposedly transmit that the vets advisegetting vaccinations for? if it affects dogs, does it also pertain to cats?Is this cat even getting up to use the litter box?sorry Jersey's legs are not improving.regardsBarbara- Original Message -From: "Belinda Sauro" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 12:34 AMSubject: Re: Jersey Hi Stan, Jersey's potassium is low, he needs some potassium, your vet should have told you that, I'm sorry but as long as your seeing this vet Jersey is in serious trouble.
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the coincidence today--while walking my dog around my neighborhood--another neighbor came up to warn me he recently had to take his dog to the ER for treatment for the raccoon caused disease--and the dog's symptoms sound alot like Jersey's. the disease sounds like lepto-something. also the drinking lots of water losing weight also sounds like cushing's disease that my dog from years ago had. no cure but there is treatment. I am so sorry Jersey is not doing well. barbara - Original Message - From: stany petrov To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 4:50 PM Subject: Re: Jersey Barbara, I have Jersey from the semi- beginning when he was a baby. I just learned him to walk outside and get home. I lived in Brooklyn for 1 and a halfyears before I moved to Ohio. Here, he was fine till late January when he started sneezing and one of his eyes got red. The temp. was high. I took him toa vet (another one) twice. He put some shots and gave him antibiotics. Jersey got better but not exactly as before. The temp. was about 102.4- 102.5 and I let him out again. He likes hiking and if I lock the cat door he is starting to meow and scratch and tear the things around him. So, that was in March. And finally in late April, early May he started going outside and stay home which is not a good indicator for him. Finally he started loosing weight and walking hard with his back legs. I will stop visiting this vet and try to feed him more but...I hardly think he will survive. His kidneys are a little bit arger than the normal and he has the symptom of the Polysyst Kidney disease- drinking lots of water and loosing weight and appetite. I am confused. He cannot move at all already (just for a week, unbelievable). Thanks again StanFrom: Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: JerseyDate: Sat, 28 May 2005 09:58:42 -0400just a thought, i give one of my cats (who is negative for leuekmia)postassium citrate to ward off any more bouts of his oxalate crystals. theother cats get MegaC plus but that's not advised for oxalate. I buy it incapsule form and fortunately this cat, Puff, loves those Pill Pockets i getat the pet store so can just hide the pill in that. the other cats' meds Ijust open the capsules and mix in their wet food very very thoroughly.what are some natural sources of potassium besides bananas? and would a cateven eat a banana or is it even good for them?another thought, how long has jersey been in your care? did you tell the vethis past history-outdoor cat, possible exposure to raccoons, etc? when yougot him, was he able to walk/run around? or was he already slowing down?what is that disease raccoons supposedly transmit that the vets advisegetting vaccinations for? if it affects dogs, does it also pertain to cats?Is this cat even getting up to use the litter box?sorry Jersey's legs are not improving.regardsBarbara- Original Message -From: "Belinda Sauro" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 12:34 AMSubject: Re: Jersey Hi Stan, Jersey's potassium is low, he needs some potassium, your vet should have told you that, I'm sorry but as long as your seeing this vet Jersey is in serious trouble.
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Hi Stan, I don't have anything to add that might help with Jersey's trouble. I wish I did. I just wanted you to know that I'm sending good thoughts your way and pray you find a way to help him get better. You're a wonderful cat-dad, Jersey is lucky to have someone who loves him so much. Nina stany petrov wrote: Barbara, I have Jersey from the semi- beginning when he was a baby. I just learned him to walk outside and get home. I lived in Brooklyn for 1 and a half years before I moved to Ohio. Here, he was fine till late January when he started sneezing and one of his eyes got red. The temp. was high. I took him to a vet (another one) twice. He put some shots and gave him antibiotics. Jersey got better but not exactly as before. The temp. was about 102.4- 102.5 and I let him out again. He likes hiking and if I lock the cat door he is starting to meow and scratch and tear the things around him. So, that was in March. And finally in late April, early May he started going outside and stay home which is not a good indicator for him. Finally he started loosing weight and walking hard with his back legs. I will stop visiting this vet and try to feed him more but...I hardly think he will survive. His kidneys are a little bit arger than the normal and he has the symptom of the Polysyst Kidney disease- drinking lots of water and loosing weight and appetite. I am confused. He cannot move at all already (just for a week, unbelievable). Thanks again Stan From: Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Jersey Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 09:58:42 -0400 just a thought, i give one of my cats (who is negative for leuekmia) postassium citrate to ward off any more bouts of his oxalate crystals. the other cats get MegaC plus but that's not advised for oxalate. I buy it in capsule form and fortunately this cat, Puff, loves those Pill Pockets i get at the pet store so can just hide the pill in that. the other cats' meds I just open the capsules and mix in their wet food very very thoroughly. what are some natural sources of potassium besides bananas? and would a cat even eat a banana or is it even good for them? another thought, how long has jersey been in your care? did you tell the vet his past history-outdoor cat, possible exposure to raccoons, etc? when you got him, was he able to walk/run around? or was he already slowing down? what is that disease raccoons supposedly transmit that the vets advise getting vaccinations for? if it affects dogs, does it also pertain to cats? Is this cat even getting up to use the litter box? sorry Jersey's legs are not improving. regards Barbara - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 12:34 AM Subject: Re: Jersey Hi Stan, Jersey's potassium is low, he needs some potassium, your vet should have told you that, I'm sorry but as long as your seeing this vet Jersey is in serious trouble.
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Hi Stan, Jersey's potassium is low, he needs some potassium, your vet should have told you that, I'm sorry but as long as your seeing this vet Jersey is in serious trouble. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Stan, A water fountain is a good way to get a cat to drink more. There are quite a few to choose from. Here's a link to a couple from KV vet supply: http://www.kvvet.com/KVVet/dept.asp?dept_id=741gift=False0=dept.asp%2Cdept_id%3D198%26Tree%3D%2CComplete Catalog1=dept.asp%2Cdept_id%3D123%26Tree%3D0%2CPet2=dept.asp%2Cdept_id%3D25%26menu_id%3D%26Tree%3D1%2CFeeders %26 Waterersmscssid=FA1E51C11C1249849A8ED78CC2D86E10 catatonya wrote: Hi Stan, If you've joined the crf group I'm sure you've got lots of good ideas already. Kidney disease is not really related to the leukemia. There are diets made specifically for kidney disease that I hope are available to you. A special diet and lots of fluids can often go a long way with crf. I had a cat that lived over 10 years and had it at least 6 years before I lost him. I used every trick I could think of to get him to drink more. The more you can flush out the kidneys the better. Obviously wet/canned food is more hydrating. I used to sometimes add a little warm water to the food and 'water it down' just to get him to drink more. I noticed that when I cleaned and refilled the water bowl he would always come over for a drink, so I changed the water bowl often. If I left a faucet dripping water in the bathroom or kitchen sink he would 'drink' from the faucet or lap at it with his paws. Good luck with Jersey. tonya stany petrov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all again, My name is Stan and I am international student from Europe. I recently realized that my cat has FeLV. He os just 2 years. His name is Jersey. I believe that he has the power to survive for year or two BUT I have to make him eating. He is very skinny and can hardly stands on his back legs. Doctor said that his heart is beating good but his kidneys are damaged. What stage of the illness do you think he is? How can I make him eat? I am very glad that I found that site. It kees the last glimpse of hope alive... Stan From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: I Think I'm Losing Digby . Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 20:02:15 -0700 (PDT) Marlene, I am way behind on email.I hope maybe Digby is doing better today?Don't beat yourself up over something you may have missed.I've found that to be easier to say than do,but it has often heppened with me that one of mine became quickly ill and I made myself miserable wondering and second guessing myself.It doesn't help.One of the biggest problems with felv is that your cat can be fine one day and horribly ill the next.Please keep us posted about Digby.You are in my thoughts and prayers. tonya Marlene Chornie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Group, Can't think too clearly at the moment, but I think we're going to lose Digby.Having to syringe feed him now and give Doxycycline.Blood work (according to the vet lab) seems to be indicating something going on in the bone marrow, may/may not be Hemobart.They also say there's a secondary infection but no indication as to where/what it is (at this point).Our vet clinic ran a urine sample today but it was O.K., so not a kidney/bladder infection.We've been told it could be anything from an abscess somewhere to a tumour, to I really can't remember what all.Vet today (not his regular vet) said that if he won't eat, they could put a feeding tube in his mouth (doesn't require anesthetic) and get food in.We're trying our very best to syringe feed him A/D, but it sometimes upsets me to see him stressed when I do it.Also syringing some water into him.He can still get around (to litter box), but other than that, he just prefers to be by himself (in his "safe place").My husband and I find ourselves thinking - are we doing the right/best thing for him already at this point? When is enough enough, and will we know it?We knew when enough was enough last year with our "Casper" (CRF), but FelV is a whole new thing for us, and I guess we're already beating ourselves up over it wondering if we missed something, weren't observant enough, or what?Sorry to "babble" but this is already starting to take a toll on my husband and I.Just needed to talk about it. Marlene
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Barbara, Actually Jersey started to looked much better but he is not able to stand on his back legs. Now he is n the clinic for X-rays and in the afternoon the doctor will call me. There are many outcomes- transplantation, medications, nothing to be done, I am waiting... Thanks StanFrom: Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: JerseyDate: Thu, 26 May 2005 09:22:41 -0400 glad to hear Jersey is liking the baby food. you can try mixing a little of regular cat food or the science diet a/d into the baby food to gradually wean him off it so he can start getting his full proper nutrients. gradually he'll hopefully go back to regular cat food. it does take time to wean them off the taste sometimes but then that's why cats are catshas the CRF group been any help? Barbara
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I have bad news form the vet. she said the problem was somewhere beteen the kidneys. I am confused. Is the leukimia really causing everything or the doctor cannot find the reason? Yestereday he was eating good and looked good. Are the doctors really qualified enough? She offered me euthanesia. I am not going to accept, but I am very confused. What might cause the deficiency in the back legs if not the kidney CRF??? Stan ---BeginMessage--- Barbara, Actually Jersey started to looked much better but he is not able to stand on his back legs. Now he is n the clinic for X-rays and in the afternoon the doctor will call me. There are many outcomes- transplantation, medications, nothing to be done, I am waiting... Thanks StanFrom: Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: JerseyDate: Thu, 26 May 2005 09:22:41 -0400 glad to hear Jersey is liking the baby food. you can try mixing a little of regular cat food or the science diet a/d into the baby food to gradually wean him off it so he can start getting his full proper nutrients. gradually he'll hopefully go back to regular cat food. it does take time to wean them off the taste sometimes but then that's why cats are catshas the CRF group been any help? Barbara ---End Message---
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Stan, Cats with chronic renal failure/kidney disease are said to have rear leg weakness from lack of phosphorus. Bonnie www.elephants.com ---BeginMessage--- Barbara, Actually Jersey started to looked much better but he is not able to stand on his back legs. Now he is n the clinic for X-rays and in the afternoon the doctor will call me. There are many outcomes- transplantation, medications, nothing to be done, I am waiting... Thanks StanFrom: Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: JerseyDate: Thu, 26 May 2005 09:22:41 -0400 glad to hear Jersey is liking the baby food. you can try mixing a little of regular cat food or the science diet a/d into the baby food to gradually wean him off it so he can start getting his full proper nutrients. gradually he'll hopefully go back to regular cat food. it does take time to wean them off the taste sometimes but then that's why cats are catshas the CRF group been any help? Barbara ---End Message---
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sorry. I have no experience with CRF or Jersey's problem of weak back legs. what do the cat owners on the CRF say? has anyone there offered any helpful info or suggestions? Have you asked your vet for referral to a specialist(if you can afford the vet fees?)---don't be worried about hurting your vet's feelings in asking to discuss Jersey with another vet. has anyone on the CRF list recommended a vet in your area? why did the vet suggest euthanasia? It has been discussed on this list before I believe--the reasons for considering being a beloved pet to sleep. hopefully someone else can post them for you--i just got back from a platelets donation so kinda tired. also many of us have our own personal criteria for judging when an animal is no longer enjoying life. frankly if your cat is eating, I would consider that a good sign. is he getting nutrients from the food--when my dog had cancer, her bowel movements were proof her food was not being digested properly adding to her weakened condition. is Jersey able to have movements? is he able to get around on his own at all? someone on the CRF group should be able to recommend a form of phosphorus for your cat. A cat testing postive for feline leukemia is not reason enough to put to sleep an animal though sadly many vets still feel that because their training has been that the pet will die anyway sooner or later. Not knowing why you selected this particular vet I can offer no answer if the vet is qualified. was the vet recommended to you? is there perhaps a veterinary school in your state? can you ask your vet to explain better what she means by the problem is somewhere between the kidneys? perhaps there might be some info on the www.holisticat.com website. I believe the founder of the site-her cat was crf also. there is an archive you can look through--and also a mailing list to join if you so desire to ask questions and for help. good luck. remember to enjoy your time with Jersey and not worry yourself all the time so that you lose what time you have with him. I know it's easier said than done but allow yourself time to just love your pet. barbara - Original Message - From: stany petrov To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 12:57 PM Subject: Re: Jersey I have bad news form the vet. she said the problem was somewhere beteen the kidneys. I am confused. Is the leukimia really causing everything or the doctor cannot find the reason? Yestereday he was eating good and looked good. Are the doctors really qualified enough? She offered me euthanesia. I am not going to accept, but I am very confused. What might cause the deficiency in the back legs if not the kidney CRF??? Stan
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Thanks a lot Barbara. I just chose the vet from the list. I can afford to pay let's say 500- 600. By the way, I have a pet insuarance but it is from a month ago. I don't know if they cover past diseases? Does anybody know about that? I mean, insuarance companies have lots of protection. I am going to talk with another vet probably. He is moving hard, but can walk to the litterbox. I am picking him today and keep feeding him with the baby food... Stan From: Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: JerseyDate: Thu, 26 May 2005 14:51:52 -0400sorry. I have no experience with CRF or Jersey's problem of weak back legs. what do the cat owners on the CRF say? has anyone there offered any helpful info or suggestions?Have you asked your vet for referral to a specialist(if you can afford the vet fees?)---don't be worried about hurting your vet's feelings in asking to discuss Jersey with another vet. has anyone on the CRF list recommended a vet in your area?why did the vet suggest euthanasia?It has been discussed on this list before I believe--the reasons for considering being a beloved pet to sleep. hopefully someone else can post them for you--i just gotback from a platelets donation so kinda tired. also many of us have our own personal criteria for judging when an animal is no longer enjoying life. frankly if your cat is eating, I would consider that a good sign. is he getting nutrients from the food--when my dog had cancer, her bowel movements were proof her food was not being digested properly adding to her weakened condition. is Jersey able to have movements? is he able to get around on his own at all?someone on the CRF group should be able to recommend a form of phosphorus for your cat. A cat testing postive for feline leukemia is not reason enough to put to sleep an animal though sadly many vets still feel that because their training has been that the pet will die anyway sooner or later.Not knowing why you selected this particular vet I can offer no answer if the vet is qualified. was the vet recommended to you?is there perhaps a veterinary school in your state?can you ask your vet to explain better what she means by the problem is somewhere between the kidneys?perhaps there might be some info on the www.holisticat.com website. I believe the founder of the site-her cat was crf also. there is an archive you can look through--and also a mailing list to join if you so desire to ask questions and for help.good luck. remember to enjoy your time with Jersey and not worry yourself all the time so that you lose what time you have with him. I know it's easier said than done but allow yourself time to just love your pet.barbara - Original Message - From: stany petrov To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 12:57 PM Subject: Re: Jersey I have bad news form the vet. she said the problem was somewhere beteen the kidneys. I am confused. Is the leukimia really causing everything or the doctor cannot find the reason? Yestereday he was eating good and looked good. Are the doctors really qualified enough? She offered me euthanesia. I am not going to accept, but I am very confused. What might cause the deficiency in the back legs if not the kidney CRF??? Stan
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Stan try to get Eubanuka or Science Diet AD to feed him they are both high in calories and can be blended to syringe feed if necessary. Try and get atleast a can's worth into Jersey through-out the day. Both can be bought from a vet, I think you can buy the Eubanuka at a pet store also, but not sure. The raw-liver shake recipe is also good for kitties that are failing. If you joined one of the CRF lists, you should get very good information about the potassium question. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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I have one of the petmate fresh flowfountains, and my cats LOVE it (though I still have one that HAS to have you turn the bathroom sink faucet on everytime you go into the bathroom). If you buy one, go ahead and buy MANY refill filters, because in my experience they only last 2 weeks max, then they begin to get yucky and the cats are turned off by it. Make sure you don't have hard water in your area, if you do, use bottled water in the fountain, the pump will last longer that way and the cleaning will be SO much easier! If you find he prefers COLD water, the petmate fountains even have a hollow under them, and you can wedge one of those soft refreezable cold packs up under the fountain to keep the water cold. (though it is hard to pick up and set down when completely full without spilling water) Jenn ~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.17 - Release Date: 5/25/2005
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Stan, maybe I missed this info in your first email, but how long has he been this way? Has he always had a weakness in his back legs, or did this just come on recently? You said he is only 2 years old, right? There are, of course, many different things that can cause it, from brain damage, to a spinal cord injury, even severe anemia could lead to weakness that may show up only in the rear legs (it's a possibility, and one I'm thinking my newest rescue has). I would get a second opinion from a different vet clinic, if possible. Try calling around to all your local vets, and ask them on the phone, "Do you have experience treating FELV positive cats aggressively, or do you usually recommend euthanasia for FELV?" That will let you know right away if they are even worth visiting in person! I am worried that in your first email, you said the vet told you he has Kidney damage, and now you are saying the vet is telling you it's somewhere "between" the kidneys? That does not make sense to me. It's either kidney damage, or it's NOT kidney damage. Ask her to clarify herself to you. Have you had the vet do bloodwork, and pull a CBC? If so, can you get the results, and post them here, many of the members here have gotten very good at reading test results, and we would be able to help you more if we had the bloodwork results. I may be mistaken on this one, but I THINK an ultrasound is a better way to look at kidneys than x-rays. I'm not sure why your vet is doing x-rays, unless she is thinking of a possible spinal cord injury? (not the end of the road, in itself, even if that is the case) Are his gums very white, or are they pink? A lot of the people on this list have had their vet give their cats blood transfusions, and they say it makes a LOT of difference right away. You may consider that option. Here is my recipe for force-feeding, but I'm not sure if it is appropriate for cats with Kidney damage: 1/4 of a 5 ounce can of cat food (use the prescription kind your vet recommends) 1 teaspoon of Nutri-cal (you can buy it from your vet or online here: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3378) 1 to 2 tablespoons unflavoredPedialyte to make it soupy. You can get that at your local grocery store in the baby food section. Warm it just a little in the microwave if you have one, but be sure to stir it and check it with your finger so you don't burn him. You can get oral syringes from your vet, or online at the same place as the Nutri-Cal: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3393 Foster and Smith is a great catalog for this kind of stuff, and they have an option for overnight delivery if you need it fast. I hate to advertise, but this place has always come through for me! Jenn ~~~ I have bad news form the vet. she said the problem was somewhere between the kidneys. I am confused. Is the leukemia really causing everything or the doctor cannot find the reason? Yesterday he was eating good and looked good. Are the doctors really qualified enough? She offered me euthanasia. I am not going to accept, but I am very confused. What might cause the deficiency in the back legs if not the kidney CRF??? Stan No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.17 - Release Date: 5/25/2005
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usually insurance does not cover pre-existing conditions from what I remember of my research of insurance for pets. did the insurance require your cat have a full exam before approval or did the insurance co. just take your money? if you didn't know jersey had leukemia until after you purchased the insurance then it might be covered. you have to read the fine print on those insurance policies. when you say you chose the vet from the list, I'm guessing you mean the insurance co. gave you a list of vets? I'd follow Jen's very good suggestions as to how to quiz a vet on their feelings towards leukemia. good luck barbara - Original Message - From: stany petrov To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 3:11 PM Subject: Re: Jersey Thanks a lot Barbara. I just chose the vet from the list. I can afford to pay let's say 500- 600. By the way, I have a pet insuarance but it is from a month ago. I don't know if they cover past diseases? Does anybody know about that? I mean, insuarance companies have lots of protection. I am going to talk with another vet probably. He is moving hard, but can walk to the litterbox. I am picking him today and keep feeding him with the baby food... Stan From: Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: JerseyDate: Thu, 26 May 2005 14:51:52 -0400sorry. I have no experience with CRF or Jersey's problem of weak back legs. what do the cat owners on the CRF say? has anyone there offered any helpful info or suggestions?Have you asked your vet for referral to a specialist(if you can afford the vet fees?)---don't be worried about hurting your vet's feelings in asking to discuss Jersey with another vet. has anyone on the CRF list recommended a vet in your area?why did the vet suggest euthanasia?It has been discussed on this list before I believe--the reasons for considering being a beloved pet to sleep. hopefully someone else can post them for you--i just gotback from a platelets donation so kinda tired. also many of us have our own personal criteria for judging when an animal is no longer enjoying life. frankly if your cat is eating, I would consider that a good sign. is he getting nutrients from the food--when my dog had cancer, her bowel movements were proof her food was not being digested properly adding to her weakened condition. is Jersey able to have movements? is he able to get around on his own at all?someone on the CRF group should be able to recommend a form of phosphorus for your cat. A cat testing postive for feline leukemia is not reason enough to put to sleep an animal though sadly many vets still feel that because their training has been that the pet will die anyway sooner or later.Not knowing why you selected this particular vet I can offer no answer if the vet is qualified. was the vet recommended to you?is there perhaps a veterinary school in your state?can you ask your vet to explain better what she means by the problem is somewhere between the kidneys?perhaps there might be some info on the www.holisticat.com website. I believe the founder of the site-her cat was crf also. there is an archive you can look through--and also a mailing list to join if you so desire to ask questions and for help.good luck. remember to enjoy your time with Jersey and not worry yourself all the time so that you lose what time you have with him. I know it's easier said than done but allow yourself time to just love your pet.barbara - Original Message - From: stany petrov To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 12:57 PM Subject: Re: Jersey I have bad news form the vet. she said the problem was somewhere beteen the kidneys. I am confused. Is the leukimia really causing everything or the doctor cannot find the reason? Yestereday he was eating good and looked good. Are the doctors really qualified enough? She offered me euthanesia. I am not going to accept, but I am very confused. What might cause the deficiency in the back legs if not the kidney CRF??? Stan
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Hi, Finally I have the news about Jersey. The vet said that the problem with the kidneys is due to FIV which is a relatively new disease. She prescribed me some medications and suggested a blood transfusion (it is 100$, I expected 5-6 hundred) She gave me: Interferon Alpha, Clavamox, Cyproheptadine, Prednisoline The results from the IVP are: WBC: 17.00 Ne: 13.47 up Ly: 2.53 Mo:0.76 Eo: 0.23 Ba: 0.01 RBC: 2.54 Hgb: 3.3 PCV: 10.5 down arrow MCV: 41.5 MCH: 13 MCHC: 31.4 Platelets: 42.000 down BUN: 33 Creat: 0.8 Phos: 3.9 ALT: 35 Alkp: 22 Tbili: 2.9 up Glu 83 Amyl: 2444 up TP: 9.1 up Alb: 1.5 down Glob: 7.6 up Chol: 144 Ca: 7.4 down Ck: 266 up Na: 148 K 3.1 down Cl 126 So, according to her the problem with the beg legs is not CRF but the tissues themselves (FIV probably) The man who is doing ultrasound is on vacation. Keep you in touch Stan The result from the From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: JerseyDate: Thu, 26 May 2005 14:55:03 -0400Stan, maybe I missed this info in your first email, but how long has he been this way? Has he always had a weakness in his back legs, or did this just come on recently? You said he is only 2 years old, right? There are, of course, many different things that can cause it, from brain damage, to a spinal cord injury, even severe anemia could lead to weakness that may show up only in the rear legs (it's a possibility, and one I'm thinking my newest rescue has). I would get a second opinion from a different vet clinic, if possible. Try calling around to all your local vets, and ask them on the phone, "Do you have experience treating FELV positive cats aggressively, or do you usually recommend euthanasia for FELV?" That will let you know right away if they are even worth visiting in person! I am worried that in your first email, you said the vet told you he has Kidney damage, and now you are saying the vet is telling you it's somewhere "between" the kidneys? That does not make sense to me. It's either kidney damage, or it's NOT kidney damage. Ask her to clarify herself to you. Have you had the vet do bloodwork, and pull a CBC? If so, can you get the results, and post them here, many of the members here have gotten very good at reading test results, and we would be able to help you more if we had the bloodwork results. I may be mistaken on this one, but I THINK an ultrasound is a better way to look at kidneys than x-rays. I'm not sure why your vet is doing x-rays, unless she is thinking of a possible spinal cord injury? (not the end of the road, in itself, even if that is the case) Are his gums very white, or are they pink? A lot of the people on this list have had their vet give their cats blood transfusions, and they say it makes a LOT of difference right away. You may consider that option.Here is my recipe for force-feeding, but I'm not sure if it is appropriate for cats with Kidney damage:1/4 of a 5 ounce can of cat food (use the prescription kind your vet recommends)1 teaspoon of Nutri-cal (you can buy it from your vet or online here: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3378 )1 to 2 tablespoons unflavored Pedialyte to make it soupy. You can get that at your local grocery store in the baby food section.Warm it just a little in the microwave if you have one, but be sure to stir it and check it with your finger so you don't burn him.You can get oral syringes from your vet, or online at the same place as the Nutri-Cal: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3393Foster and Smith is a great catalog for this kind of stuff, and they have an option for overnight delivery if you need it fast. I hate to advertise, but this place has always come through for me!Jenn~~~I have bad news form the vet. she said the problem was somewhere between the kidneys. I am confused. Is the leukemia really causing everything or the doctor cannot find the reason?Yesterday he was eating good and looked good. Are the doctors really qualified enough?She offered me euthanasia.I am not going to accept, but I am very confused.What might cause the deficiency in the back legs if not the kidney CRF???StanNo virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.17 - Release Date: 5/25/2005
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One more questions about Jersey. I think that the common opinion for the blood transfusion is that cats can survive but not long? Should I accept it or not? Thanks, again StanFrom: Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: JerseyDate: Thu, 26 May 2005 21:14:37 -0400usually insurance does not cover pre-existing conditions from what I remember of my research of insurance for pets. did the insurance require your cat have a full exam before approval or did the insurance co. just take your money? if you didn't know jersey had leukemia until after you purchased the insurance then it might be covered. you have to read the fine print on those insurance policies. when you say you chose the vet from the list, I'm guessing you mean the insurance co. gave you a list of vets?I'd follow Jen's very good suggestions as to how to quiz a vet on their feelings towards leukemia.good luckbarbara- Original Message - From: stany petrov To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 3:11 PM Subject: Re: Jersey Thanks a lot Barbara. I just chose the vet from the list. I can afford to pay let's say 500- 600. By the way, I have a pet insuarance but it is from a month ago. I don't know if they cover past diseases? Does anybody know about that? I mean, insuarance companies have lots of protection. I am going to talk with another vet probably. He is moving hard, but can walk to the litterbox. I am picking him today and keep feeding him with the baby food... Stan From: Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Jersey Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 14:51:52 -0400 sorry. I have no experience with CRF or Jersey's problem of weak back legs. what do the cat owners on the CRF say? has anyone there offered any helpful info or suggestions? Have you asked your vet for referral to a specialist(if you can afford the vet fees?)---don't be worried about hurting your vet's feelings in asking to discuss Jersey with another vet. has anyone on the CRF list recommended a vet in your area? why did the vet suggest euthanasia? It has been discussed on this list before I believe--the reasons for considering being a beloved pet to sleep. hopefully someone else can post them for you--i just gotback from a platelets donation so kinda tired. also many of us have our own personal criteria for judging when an animal is no longer enjoying life. frankly if your cat is eating, I would consider that a good sign. is he getting nutrients from the food--when my dog had cancer, her bowel movements were proof her food was not being digested properly adding to her weakened condition. is Jersey able to have movements? is he able to get around on his own at all?someone on the CRF group should be able to recommend a form of phosphorus for your cat. A cat testing postive for feline leukemia is not reason enough to put to sleep an animal though sadly many vets still feel that because their training has been that the pet will die anyway sooner or later. Not knowing why you selected this particular vet I can offer no answer if the vet is qualified. was the vet recommended to you?is there perhaps a veterinary school in your state?can you ask your vet to explain better what she means by the problem is somewhere between the kidneys? perhaps there might be some info on the www.holisticat.com website. I believe the founder of the site-her cat was crf also. there is an archive you can look through--and also a mailing list to join if you so desire to ask questions and for help. good luck. remember to enjoy your time with Jersey and not worry yourself all the time so that you lose what time you have with him. I know it's easier said than done but allow yourself time to just love your pet. barbara - Original Message - From: stany petrov To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 12:57 PM Subject: Re: JerseyI have bad news form the vet. she said the problem was somewhere beteen the kidneys. I am confused. Is the leukimia really causing everything or the doctor cannot find the reason? Yestereday he was eating good and looked good. Are the doctors really qualified enough? She offered me euthanesia. I am not going to accept, but I am very confused. What might cause the deficiency in the back legs if not the kidney CRF??? Stan
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was just about to sign off for the night then saw your question on transfusions. i had 2 different experiences with blood transfusions. one was with a less than year old cat with leukemia and it was two days before xmas. Lenny(the cat) perhaps had a week of quality life with us before we had to let her be put to sleep. the 2nd cat Jelly Roll again perhaps a week or two before he also crashed. I would not have traded that time with them for anything. I am surprised at how cheap your vet says a transfusion is. perhaps because I am in NY where it just seems everything is just so damnexpensive. I would make sure the vet types your cat's blood. it must get a matching blood type--I forget if there's a subgroup to cat's blood--I just know my second cat had a very rare blood type. I know others on the list had also had blood transfusions for their cats and can give their opinions. I'd still go for a second opinion if you do not feel this vet is up to date on treatment of leukemia. again good luck and good night, thank you for caring for Jersey. I know how stressful it can be. barbara
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I don't understand how the vet got from kidney disease to 'something between the kidneys'? What does that mean? Does she think there's a tumor? Also, does she think Jersey had felv AND fiv? I've never heard of either of them causing kidney problems. I don't know enough about the bloodwork, but I assume if she's wanting to do a transfusion Jersey must be anemic. Good luck with little Jersey. tonyaBarbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: was just about to sign off for the night then saw your question on transfusions. i had 2 different experiences with blood transfusions. one was with a less than year old cat with leukemia and it was two days before xmas. Lenny(the cat) perhaps had a week of quality life with us before we had to let her be put to sleep. the 2nd cat Jelly Roll again perhaps a week or two before he also crashed. I would not have traded that time with them for anything. I am surprised at how cheap your vet says a transfusion is. perhaps because I am in NY where it just seems everything is just so damnexpensive. I would make sure the vet types your cat's blood. it must get a matching blood type--I forget if there's a subgroup to cat's blood--I just know my second cat had a very rare blood type. I know others on the list had also had blood transfusions for their cats and can give their opinions. I'd still go for a second opinion if you do not feel this vet is up to date on treatment of leukemia. again good luck and good night, thank you for caring for Jersey. I know how stressful it can be. barbara
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Stan, You will get much more knowledgeable answers from folks on this list tomorrow but just a couple of thoughts. Do you know if vet did both the Elissa the IFA test; the Elissa is a simple test they do in the officetakes about 10 minutes; the IFA, they send blood outtakes a day or so;;These will confirm whether Jersey has FELV FIV. How old is Jersey? I am not an expert but from the little I know about lab values (from a chart I have), it does look like her red blood cells hemoglobin are down I would guess that means shes anemic. It sounds like vet is giving you the right meds the cost of a transfusion is very reasonable. By tomorrow, Im sure youll get more suggestions from folks who have gone thru anemia/transfusions/etc. You can also look thru the archives. For now, give her the meds try to feed her anything at all she will eat. The more liquid it is, the better as that will give her some fluids. If she wont eat, dont be too fussy about the foodtry baby food (without onions in it); cold cuts; tuna fish the water from the can; cottage cheese, yogurt,--remember, some food is better than no food at all. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of stany petrov Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 9:24 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Jersey Hi, Finally I have the news about Jersey. The vet said that the problem with the kidneys is due to FIV which is a relatively new disease. She prescribed me some medications and suggested a blood transfusion (it is 100$, I expected 5-6 hundred) She gave me: Interferon Alpha, Clavamox, Cyproheptadine, Prednisoline The results from the IVP are: WBC: 17.00 Ne: 13.47 up Ly: 2.53 Mo:0.76 Eo: 0.23 Ba: 0.01 RBC: 2.54 Hgb: 3.3 PCV: 10.5 down arrow MCV: 41.5 MCH: 13 MCHC: 31.4 Platelets: 42.000 down BUN: 33 Creat: 0.8 Phos: 3.9 ALT: 35 Alkp: 22 Tbili: 2.9 up Glu 83 Amyl: 2444 up TP: 9.1 up Alb: 1.5 down Glob: 7.6 up Chol: 144 Ca: 7.4 down Ck: 266 up Na: 148 K 3.1 down Cl 126 So, according to her the problem with the beg legs is not CRF but the tissues themselves (FIV probably) The man who is doing ultrasound is on vacation. Keep you in touch Stan The result from the From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Jersey Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 14:55:03 -0400 Stan, maybe I missed this info in your first email, but how long has he been this way? Has he always had a weakness in his back legs, or did this just come on recently? You said he is only 2 years old, right? There are, of course, many different things that can cause it, from brain damage, to a spinal cord injury, even severe anemia could lead to weakness that may show up only in the rear legs (it's a possibility, and one I'm thinking my newest rescue has). I would get a second opinion from a different vet clinic, if possible. Try calling around to all your local vets, and ask them on the phone, Do you have experience treating FELV positive cats aggressively, or do you usually recommend euthanasia for FELV? That will let you know right away if they are even worth visiting in person! I am worried that in your first email, you said the vet told you he has Kidney damage, and now you are saying the vet is telling you it's somewhere between the kidneys? That does not make sense to me. It's either kidney damage, or it's NOT kidney damage. Ask her to clarify herself to you. Have you had the vet do bloodwork, and pull a CBC? If so, can you get the results, and post them here, many of the members here have gotten very good at reading test results, and we would be able to help you more if we had the bloodwork results. I may be mistaken on this one, but I THINK an ultrasound is a better way to look at kidneys than x-rays. I'm not sure why your vet is doing x-rays, unless she is thinking of a possible spinal cord injury? (not the end of the road, in itself, even if that is the case) Are his gums very white, or are they pink? A lot of the people on this list have had their vet give their cats blood transfusions, and they say it makes a LOT of difference right away. You may consider that option. Here is my recipe for force-feeding, but I'm not sure if it is appropriate for cats with Kidney damage: 1/4 of a 5 ounce can of cat food (use the prescription kind your vet recommends) 1 teaspoon of Nutri-cal (you can buy it from your vet or online here: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3378 ) 1 to 2 tablespoons unflavored Pedialyte to make it soupy. You can get that at your local grocery store in the baby food section. Warm it just a little in the microwave if you have one, but be sure to stir it and check it with your finger so you don't burn him. You can get oral syringes from your vet, or online at the same place as the Nutri-Cal: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3393
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Hi Stan, The liver shake is a very good thing for kitties that are anemic, also why is Jersey getting clavomax, it is a strong antibiotic that makes many cats feel very yucky and not want to eat. Jersey already doesn't have much of an appetite, is there some sort of infection goinng on? I would ask for doxocycline just incase it is hemobartenella, I don't recall you saying Jersey was tested for it, this should always be suspected with an anemic positive cat. You may want to look into epogen (procrit), if the anemia is non regenerative, did you vet say if it was or not? Epogen takes up to three weeks or even longer to kick in so if you did want to considerate I wouldn't wait too much longer (you may wait until after the transfusion to see how that works). Very definately get Jersey blood typed for the transfusion. Prayers for Jersey, I sure hope the transfusion helps. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Hi Stan, There is a CRF (chronic renal failure) group on Yahoo you may want to join, I've heard of kitties with crf that get weak in the back legs it has something to do with the potassium level. Here is the group if your interested. CRF can be managed if caugh early enough, it usually requires a diet change and careful monitoring. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FelineCRF/ Also you have to be sure Jersey is getting enough food or your asking for a whole different group of complications. What treatment has your vet suggested? -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Hi Belinda, Thanks for the information. I am going to take Jersey to the vet tomorrow. I took him on Friday, they kept him in the clinic for tests and the doctor called me in the evening. I was shoked to hear he has a leukimia and could hardly catch what she was explaining me. I am going to talk with her tomorrow afternoon. Now, I give Jersey some yoke and cream cheese. He rejects the diet food from the vet. He likes margarine but I use that only to give him some vitamins. I cannot believe that disease is so spread in the USA. In Bulgaria, where I come from I have never heard for cat cancer. Cats usually die from accidents or age. I am really amazed to read that 60 million cats in the US carry this virus. Something has to be done. Thanks again. Keep in touch StanFrom: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: JerseyDate: Tue, 24 May 2005 08:12:50 -0700 Hi Stan,There is a CRF (chronic renal failure) group on Yahoo you may want to join, I've heard of kitties with crf that get weak in the back legs it has something to do with the potassium level.Here is the group if your interested.CRF can be managed if caugh early enough, it usually requires a diet change and careful monitoring.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FelineCRF/Also you have to be sure Jersey is getting enough food or your asking for a whole different group of complications.What treatment has your vet suggested?--BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com(affordable hosting web design)http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites)http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Stan, If his kidneys are affected and his back legs are weak, you might also want to consult the Feline Chronic Renal Failure list. Contact information is available at the bottom of this page: http://www.felinecrf.com/ Best wishes to you and yours, Bonnie in WI www.elephants.com ---BeginMessage--- Hi all again, My name is Stan and I am international student from Europe. I recently realized that my cat has FeLV. He os just 2 years. His name is Jersey. I believe that he has the power to survive for year or two BUT I have to make him eating. He is very skinny and can hardly stands on his back legs. Doctor said that his heart is beating good but his kidneys are damaged. What stage of the illness do you think he is? How can I make him eat? I am very glad that I found that site. It kees the last glimpse of hope alive... StanFrom: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: I Think I'm Losing Digby .Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 20:02:15 -0700 (PDT)Marlene,I am way behind on email.I hope maybe Digby is doing better today?Don't beat yourself up over something you may have missed.I've found that to be easier to say than do,but it has often heppened with me that one of mine became quickly ill and I made myself miserable wondering and second guessing myself.It doesn't help.One of the biggest problems with felv is that your cat can be fine one day and horribly ill the next.Please keep us posted about Digby.You are in my thoughts and prayers.tonyaMarlene Chornie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi Group, Can't think too clearly at the moment, but I think we're going to lose Digby.Having to syringe feed him now and give Doxycycline.Blood work (according to the vet lab) seems to be indicating something going on in the bone marrow, may/may not be Hemobart.They also say there's a secondary infection but no indication as to where/what it is (at this point).Our vet clinic ran a urine sample today but it was O.K., so not a kidney/bladder infection.We've been told it could be anything from an abscess somewhere to a tumour, to I really can't remember what all.Vet today (not his regular vet) said that if he won't eat, they could put a feeding tube in his mouth (doesn't require anesthetic) and get food in.We're trying our very best to syringe feed him A/D, but it sometimes upsets me to see him stressed when I do it.Also syringing some water into him.He can still get around (to litter box), but other than that, he just prefers to be by himself (in his "safe place").Myhusband and I find ourselves thinking - are we doing the right/best thing for him already at this point? When is enough enough, and will we know it?We knew when enough was enough last year with our "Casper" (CRF), but FelV is a whole new thing for us, and I guess we're already beating ourselves up over it wondering if we missed something, weren't observant enough, or what?Sorry to "babble" but this is already starting to take a toll on my husband and I.Just needed to talk about it.Marlene ---End Message---
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Stan, try this one too! Both are good sites, but this one is the tops! Fantastic people, I learned SO much. [EMAIL PROTECTED] See ya over there! TBONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stan,If his kidneys are affected and his back legs are weak, you might also want to consult the Feline Chronic Renal Failure list. Contact information is available at the bottom of this page: http://www.felinecrf.com/Best wishes to you and yours,Bonnie in WIwww.elephants.comDate: Tue, 24 May 2005 10:06:03 -0400From: stany petrov [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: JerseyTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgCC: Hi all again, My name is Stan and I am international student from Europe. I recently realized that my cat has FeLV. He os just 2 years. His name is Jersey. I believe that he has the power to survive for year or two BUT I have to make him eating. He is very skinny and can hardly stands on his back legs. Doctor said that his heart is beating good but his kidneys are damaged. What stage of the illness do you think he is? How can I make him eat? I am very glad that I found that site. It kees the last glimpse of hope alive... StanFrom: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: I Think I'm Losing Digby .Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 20:02:15 -0700 (PDT)Marlene,I am way behind on email.I hope maybe Digby is doing better today?Don't beat yourself up over something you may have missed.I've found that to be easier to say than do,but it has often heppened with me that one of mine became quickly ill and I made myself miserable wondering and second guessing myself.It doesn't help.One of the biggest problems with felv is that your cat can be fine one day and horribly ill the next.Please keep us posted about Digby.You are in my thoughts and prayers.tonyaMarlene Chornie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi Group, Can't think too clearly at the moment, but I think we're going to lose Digby.Having to syringe feed him now and give Doxycycline.Blood work (according to the vet lab) seems to be indicating something going on in the bone marrow, may/may not be Hemobart.They also say there's a secondary infection but no indication as to where/what it is (at this point).Our vet clinic ran a urine sample today but it was O.K., so not a kidney/bladder infection.We've been told it could be anything from an abscess somewhere to a tumour, to I really can't remember what all.Vet today (not his regular vet) said that if he won't eat, they could put a feeding tube in his mouth (doesn't require anesthetic) and get food in.We're trying our very best to syringe feed him A/D, but it sometimes upsets me to see him stressed when I do it.Also syringing some water into him.He can still get around (to litter box), but other than that, he just prefers to be by himself (in his "safe place").Myhusband and I find ourselves thinking - are we doing the right/best thing for him already at this point? When is enough enough, and will we know it?We knew when enough was enough last year with our "Casper" (CRF), but FelV is a whole new thing for us, and I guess we're already beating ourselves up over it wondering if we missed something, weren't observant enough, or what?Sorry to "babble" but this is already starting to take a toll on my husband and I.Just needed to talk about it.Marlene__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Hello, I assume your vet ran a complete blood work on Jersey which discovered the virus. How long has your cat not been eating cat food? Ask your vet for the Science Diet a/d cans. Many of the science diet canned foods are too dry-I know my cats will not eat any of it. the a/d cans are very very soft food--perhaps Jersey will like that. You can try putting some on a spoon and smearing it along the side of his mouth so he will be at least taste it and perhaps be tempted. Also baby food jars-beef, chicken, lamb might tempt Jersey to eat. make sure no onions in the ingredients. I agree with Belinda's suggestion to go to the Chronic Renal Failure CRF group for advice. How experienced is your vet with leukemia treatments? Ask if there is a specialist vet in the area? May I ask, what state are you in? perhaps someone on the list can recommend a vet. Good luck taking care of Jersey. He is lucky he found you. regards Barbara - Original Message - From: stany petrov To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 11:32 AM Subject: Re: Jersey Hi Belinda, Thanks for the information. I am going to take Jersey to the vet tomorrow. I took him on Friday, they kept him in the clinic for tests and the doctor called me in the evening. I was shoked to hear he has a leukimia and could hardly catch what she was explaining me. I am going to talk with her tomorrow afternoon. Now, I give Jersey some yoke and cream cheese. He rejects the diet food from the vet. He likes margarine but I use that only to give him some vitamins. I cannot believe that disease is so spread in the USA. In Bulgaria, where I come from I have never heard for cat cancer. Cats usually die from accidents or age. I am really amazed to read that 60 million cats in the US carry this virus. Something has to be done. Thanks again. Keep in touch StanFrom: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: JerseyDate: Tue, 24 May 2005 08:12:50 -0700 Hi Stan,There is a CRF (chronic renal failure) group on Yahoo you may want to join, I've heard of kitties with crf that get weak in the back legs it has something to do with the potassium level.Here is the group if your interested.CRF can be managed if caugh early enough, it usually requires a diet change and careful monitoring.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FelineCRF/Also you have to be sure Jersey is getting enough food or your asking for a whole different group of complications.What treatment has your vet suggested?--BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com(affordable hosting web design)http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites)http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Stan, What a sweetheart you are! I'm praying that Jersey recovers from whatever is causing the eating and back leg problems. We have discussed all sorts of feeding tips to get kitties interested in food when they don't feel well enough to eat. Let us know if you can't find them in the archives and we'll post more about it. FelV is a devastating diagnosis, but our angels can and do lead happy healthy lives, (although usually shorter ones). I'm glad you found this group, keep us informed about the two of you. Nina stany petrov wrote: Hi Belinda, Thanks for the information. I am going to take Jersey to the vet tomorrow. I took him on Friday, they kept him in the clinic for tests and the doctor called me in the evening. I was shoked to hear he has a leukimia and could hardly catch what she was explaining me. I am going to talk with her tomorrow afternoon. Now, I give Jersey some yoke and cream cheese. He rejects the diet food from the vet. He likes margarine but I use that only to give him some vitamins. I cannot believe that disease is so spread in the USA. In Bulgaria, where I come from I have never heard for cat cancer. Cats usually die from accidents or age. I am really amazed to read that 60 million cats in the US carry this virus. Something has to be done. Thanks again. Keep in touch Stan From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Jersey Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 08:12:50 -0700 Hi Stan, There is a CRF (chronic renal failure) group on Yahoo you may want to join, I've heard of kitties with crf that get weak in the back legs it has something to do with the potassium level. Here is the group if your interested. CRF can be managed if caugh early enough, it usually requires a diet change and careful monitoring. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FelineCRF/ Also you have to be sure Jersey is getting enough food or your asking for a whole different group of complications. What treatment has your vet suggested? -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Thanks to all that responded to Jersey. Barbara, I am in Toledo, OH. I don't know if the vet has a lot of experience with FeLV. I will try to talk with her about that tomorrow. I read the site about CRF. It is very detailed really. I believe that is the problem he has now. Hopefully it is not late to start treating it. Thanks for the food and diet information. I will try the baby food and hope it works. I will keep you in touch with what happens tomorrow in the clinic. Thanks again StanFrom: Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: JerseyDate: Tue, 24 May 2005 13:52:32 -0400Hello,I assume your vet ran a complete blood work on Jersey which discovered the virus.How long has your cat not been eating cat food? Ask your vet for the Science Diet a/d cans. Many of the science diet canned foods are too dry-I know my cats will not eat any of it.the a/d cans are very very soft food--perhaps Jersey will like that. You can try putting some on a spoon and smearing it along the side of his mouth so he will be at least taste it and perhaps be tempted. Also baby food jars-beef, chicken, lamb might tempt Jersey to eat. make sure no onions in the ingredients.I agree with Belinda's suggestion to go to the Chronic Renal Failure CRF group for advice.How experienced is your vet with leukemia treatments?Ask if there is a specialist vet in the area? May I ask, what state are you in? perhaps someone on the list can recommend a vet.Good luck taking care of Jersey. He is lucky he found you.regardsBarbara - Original Message - From: stany petrov To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 11:32 AM Subject: Re: Jersey Hi Belinda, Thanks for the information. I am going to take Jersey to the vet tomorrow. I took him on Friday, they kept him in the clinic for tests and the doctor called me in the evening. I was shoked to hear he has a leukimia and could hardly catch what she was explaining me. I am going to talk with her tomorrow afternoon. Now, I give Jersey some yoke and cream cheese. He rejects the diet food from the vet. He likes margarine but I use that only to give him some vitamins. I cannot believe that disease is so spread in the USA. In Bulgaria, where I come from I have never heard for cat cancer. Cats usually die from accidents or age. I am really amazed to read that 60 million cats in the US carry this virus. Something has to be done. Thanks again. Keep in touch Stan From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Jersey Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 08:12:50 -0700 Hi Stan, There is a CRF (chronic renal failure) group on Yahoo you may want to join, I've heard of kitties with crf that get weak in the back legs it has something to do with the potassium level.Here is the group if your interested.CRF can be managed if caugh early enough, it usually requires a diet change and careful monitoring. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FelineCRF/ Also you have to be sure Jersey is getting enough food or your asking for a whole different group of complications.What treatment has your vet suggested? -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com(affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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I have nothing to add to what has already been suggested except to wish you the best of luck. Welcome! =^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 2:22 PM Subject: Re: Jersey Stan,What a sweetheart you are! I'm praying that Jersey recovers from whatever is causing the eating and back leg problems. We have discussed all sorts of feeding tips to get kitties interested in food when they don't feel well enough to eat. Let us know if you can't find them in the archives and we'll post more about it. FelV is a devastating diagnosis, but our angels can and do lead happy healthy lives, (although usually shorter ones). I'm glad you found this group, keep us informed about the two of you.Ninastany petrov wrote: Hi Belinda, Thanks for the information. I am going to take Jersey to the vet tomorrow. I took him on Friday, they kept him in the clinic for tests and the doctor called me in the evening. I was shoked to hear he has a leukimia and could hardly catch what she was explaining me. I am going to talk with her tomorrow afternoon. Now, I give Jersey some yoke and cream cheese. He rejects the diet food from the vet. He likes margarine but I use that only to give him some vitamins. I cannot believe that disease is so spread in the USA. In Bulgaria, where I come from I have never heard for cat cancer. Cats usually die from accidents or age. I am really amazed to read that 60 million cats in the US carry this virus. Something has to be done. Thanks again. Keep in touch Stan From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Jersey Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 08:12:50 -0700 Hi Stan, There is a CRF (chronic renal failure) group on Yahoo you may want to join, I've heard of kitties with crf that get weak in the back legs it has something to do with the potassium level. Here is the group if your interested. CRF can be managed if caugh early enough, it usually requires a diet change and careful monitoring. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FelineCRF/ Also you have to be sure Jersey is getting enough food or your asking for a whole different group of complications. What treatment has your vet suggested? -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
